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I was very proud to be an American I
I felt like this is the greatest country in history the world
I volunteered for the draft kid was an escape from me
to avoid attending college my granddad far
my father far more this is what you're supposed to do if they wanted you
so that's what you did even all wrong you had no choice and a
and the first born jewish sign after the holocaust
you don't just blindly follow you don't just blindly obey you stand up when you
see something wrong
your government like any other government can make mistakes
danny and I grew up in milwaukee
people in urban neighborhoods didn't go to college
hume graduated you got your diploma from high school and you got it
full-time job
I lost my student deferment and I remember staying
in a barracks and the boy who was
on the upper bomb he looked to be like seventeen and a half I couldn't even
believe he was drafted
engines
and he cried Hall night
worries mine
and i felt horrible
and the only thing I felt I could do was simply work hard stop
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vietnam's oppressed people the edge the Britons
is what I train for all my adult life that's why I'm
was in the Boy Scouts trustworthy loyal helpful friendly all that stuff is just
a
the course I'll go to be aka
and for somebody to say that it's wrong to liberate the oppressed
damage which is so sharp
social but not so simple
home
we were informed they were wrong way in the black lie and spatial
June it and I told us all about it now
the Charlie was really scared nervous now has pumped up the factories I can we
were invincible
you know you're twenty years on your bulletproof mile
maybe I'm basically I don't think I give a shit about communist
pay for fighting communism active refine his swing dancers are going
for and doing whatever the government says they only
I gotta do it
I was older I was 23 years old
the majority of people that were there the kid killer
from either kids 1819 cherry boys
time I had never been with a woman these were some great guys
they become your whole world there they're more important to you
that time and your family because you known that they're going to be with you
tomorrow
we train hard hard hard hard water the clashes myself
they were good and they were bright
it was like I didn't want to go to sleep at night and when I would sleep and wake
up think she's
pressure some we could have had the first day when you share Ameristar
stranger she some
shop for I like 10 where you guys think we're gonna go inside
the hell is wrong with you the train show what
that develops into you been shot in the arm
so what the your body's been killed
show what they get better and better and better
she cut him problem all I want to do is make a better company
all injured
by Lacey every day I can see my company get better and better
the been quite a shift for people in our but I am
no wonder spot too much or but I'm Commander
last night you finally got relieved lieutenant colonel alan is our commander
now
as far as I know he seems like a fine man I said
in a relation to General Jerry Allen are you is the Hammers Sun
and I just was absolutely flabbergasted by that
General Terry Allen
he was on the cover of Time magazine it was very clear that my dad
wanted nothing more than to be a general like his dad was
he very much wanted his father to be proud of him
I encourage this I very much wanted to be a general's wife
when I first met terry I was 18
so he would have been 31
it was very prestigious to marry into the Allen family
and in El Paso there was no question
backed the war in Vietnam was a good be
and we would go over and meet with with him
would come back and to me Vietnam and especially it this was Terry's
opportunity
have compact tea that was really the sum total
in my own mind the
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awarded picked up considerably
your people were getting
angrier and angrier and angrier about
the war and the draft news that they were seen
images on television the level of violence the body counts the bombings
it was all mounting
a week and abroad Saturday 171 Americans were killed in combat
977 were bonded 193 American
died in combat last week he was proper after the war
out before the important thing problems
more and more people we're trying to make a decision about we are they would
stand in relation to vietnam
I was aware for the first time that there was a beginning of some kind of a
movement
it was kinda
mystifying and it was also a bit threatening to me because I thought
what's going to happen %um
everyone was trying to get your attention and my might be you know a
petition to sign
against the war in Vietnam you know I had very
suspicious feelings that these folks if my government said we need to be in
vietnam and I believe we need to be in Vietnam
remember group was gathering and looking at the
daily Cardinal and seen that dow was coming to campus
to recruit which prompted a discussion that we had to start preparing for their
the best-known product that those working was
forever the bell company began making napalm
him 1960 well I'm the port terminal C
you had serves in the armed services
in world war two the majored
rather natural the
wooden your girl wanted you to make show
so stoked even though it was very nasty stuff that you waited
will without request
known ok napalm was this hideous jelly
gas going at two thousand degrees Fahrenheit
it didn't just kill you
tortured it has a complete references ICON be they the
the gas they use in the concentration camps it felt like
chemical warfare at its worst napalm was the symbol of the war
a year earlier the better you story and ramparts magazine talking about the fact
that the poem
head-on work it said were millions of
children in vietnam have been burned by it the horror
of napalm I'm made an indelible impression on all of us and especially
on students
when they discovered that the United the University of Wisconsin
who had invited I'll chemical company to come to woo the
campus to recruit and the man who was to become the Chancellor of the University
shortly thereafter
William Sorrell he said why can't they go and
recruit off campus like they do in most places
saw was an opponent of the Vietnam War be voted against allowing down to
recruit on campus
he was outvoted the faculty endorse their right to be crude
and the response of students who cared was
that they had to do something with the faculty was not going to take a
reasonable standard this
people who work for now that's their business however G
use university buildings to affect provide a subsidy to dial
by providing them space we thought was absolutely wrong
then wanna see anymore Vietnamese children running around
but their clothes burned off
there were millions of us who thought that if we
put in enough time made enough noise
they would make it impossible for the government to keep sending
young man to be a
theme
in the fall of 1967 they were nearly a half-million
American troops in Vietnam general westmoreland commanded
general wanted another hundred thousand or more thinking that they could win the
war through battles a patrician
ok lyndon johnson wanted body counts
the pressure was flowing down on all these battalions
like the black lines telling to just go out into the jungle
search out the vietcong destroyed
go
we had some intelligence that a PC division
were in this area until around the 10th of October
the black lines percent back out terrytown commanded it was exciting day
you would be out searching for Basecamp searching for the enemy
and then at night he would come back to what was called a night defensive
position
we moved from one night defensive position
to another and it seemed like every day
we we may contact you sometime maybe two or three people
maybe just a couple around sniper or something you know there was movement
all around us
you can just sense it
in the air just get goose bumps Hollywood Hills least 10 City
you don't come in my backyard sneak up on me
however nook never cranny I know the Creech
ewing ocean a couple million would smile on you're not gonna just a little bit
Nam sneak up on OBC
a note for your Epinal order it for you every base camp
my company wish
getting most of the action because I would go with the enemy was I I had a
good feel for what the enemy was doing but we were fine indiana good
good
I couldn't have dreamed it was the entire region 8 p.m. bundled onto
my regiment had twelve hundred soldiers complied
we weren't supposed to engage in any battles day
be we're just passing through on our way to another mission we had no race to eat
for days
good
the day we heard he came to this area they might have rice
but when we got there on October 15
we found that this unit had no rice proceed
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goal is to wait a few days black
William we go bonkers in case of attack
you know cookout which album what being
we had fun rice in that area they would have left the area on the 16
comp another fighting would have taken place
it's a big hot murderous John somewhere in here are hundreds maybe thousands of
communist troops
the last couple of days american soldiers have come in
looking for that spoiling for a fight there was
feeling from general westmoreland all away on down
like we were doing an offline work
and not getting much return
we had a hard time happen big fights
we thought we were doing at work the enemy was in fight
where's the animation well I think right now they're
of us and some of the west but
find don't you worry about general hey the commanding general was being told by
Westmoreland that he wasn't aggressive enough
so he in turn was putting pressure on its commanders like Terry Allen
to go chase down the vietcong
Jerry Allen new that the purpose for him being in there
was to make contact and beat him up
the company commanders are encouraging the platoon leader to get to put on
moving
and a battalion commander is encouraging the company commander to get his company
move
faster colonel alan he's up our plan round little bubble chopper
its I pick up the POS should go on to slow
nuclear and fifty Pam Paxson and not knowing when summer's gone ambush you
he was mad cuz we're on a roll through the jungle faster now
on future big ass i helicopter and a hairdryer
carry on certainly felt the pressure
up a tank commander the guy before him had been relieved of command
and he certainly don't want to get relieved of command
by this time
we have become conference in on a mean he he was telling me stuff to
he was thinking about beaded tell me
that he had gone home to try to patch up his marriage
your when Terry left
to go to war in Vietnam I said about
trying to build some kind of a life for myself in his absent
I'll I didn't know
really what it meant to be the wife of somebody in the Army it
it's an incredibly challenging way to live I will send you our in-house
along assumptions that I had never questioned
were being challenged
last I was being use hi
these images what was being shown on television
every night in the nightly news the bloody combat
the body bags that were coming back shots
the protesters in other parts of the country and
all of a sudden there was a whole new dimension
to the war in Vietnam it was opened up to me
it was shattering
it felt as though
I had been living a lie and it did seem like
a huge backdrop
I have Disneyland had all the sudden been
ripped apart and in its place
you saw women in children
and soldiers on both sides being blown up
and body parts and blood and body bags
and people crying and you had to ask
what
T is my role in this what have I done
or what am i doing that is keeping this
going how my contributing to this devastation
and so I began to doubt what it meant
to be a military wife and on a more personal level
I began to have serious doubts about our own marriage
and so I did write him a letter I believe classically known as a Dear John
Mayer
saying that I didn't want to be his wife inning
Terry said i'd I don't I don't wanna
be divorced from her I love your
he had gone home to talk to his wife I had committed myself so far
by my actions it was impossible for me to turn back
and so I told him that you just wasn't
any good that I was going to go ahead
with divorce proceedings I have a memory a what I understand now
with lasted we spent together before he left the next morning
he came through the door taking
to find us I can remember just think you get
go it risk don't leave us
just please don't leave us and I can remember that I said to my
I'm afraid you're going to die I think you're gonna die
down and that he left
on the 16th of October
Delta and Bravo companies went into an area where they
thought they were gonna make contact and they did up
it was beautiful the fire was perfect everything was just perfect perfect
perfect
we're beginning to see more enemy and the bunkers that have been very
carefully camouflage when you fire at a machine gun should knock some stuff away
it became clear that we are on the edge have a base camp
now we are now many were in there but we were
we knew we were we're getting to a vital organ if you will
on October 16
general a and several of his brigade commanders meet with Terry own in the
field
and terry allen's bosses and since the told him
which got the vietcong where we want them
get your ass on the ground with your troops
there was a full moon at night
our member full moon and went to the camp where the briefing was
Carl Allen showed this is gonna be a great day for the black lines tomorrow
we're gonna go
and then the girl so this is what we're gonna do tomorrow
don't the company will lead pp a alpha company will follow
although follow this room it's a frontal attack
on a fortified position you don't ever do that
while the cardinal rules
in tactics in especially in that kind of environment
is you don't go out the same way two times
because the enemy will be waiting on you in an ambush
I certainly didn't shake rattle it's gonna be a mash-up
I think I should supply what lieutenant welch said the
a server he said I believe
I don't think we should go out there tomorrow
with just the two companies because he said there that
there's quite a bit after he said they may be
a lot more enemy there then we suspect colonel alan said
all well she said you're just gun shy well it's really
tore up our company commander you know her
were small animal but affect Carla Allen said something about to
def welch's gun-shy will have alpha lead a use that word believe gunshot not
coward but gunshot an alpha company commander who was writer
right here Jim George okay the
we never had never been afraid to deal in the Army is is that it
you go into meeting you did you state your disagreements but when the boss is
this is a way that is gonna be done when the meeting's over
all the subordinate spoke out and say this is a way we're gonna do it
in a church was no no communication there was but we didn't have a
discussion
debt no communication and I should
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called do we have a responsibility
to stand up at some point she wait no this is wrong
and if shading no
enough times in these instances maybe we can have
this demonstration is going to be different
there was going to be an escalation in tactics
an escalation personal risk goal was to
obstructed
the recruitment by down on students were looking for jobs and graduations
and we knew that that was a violation of the law might end up
in jail you could find yourself expelled from school
and and in those days you know expulsion from school could be a ticket to the war
we knew of course it was going to be a demonstration in the Commerce building
but I think there was a strong feeling that well if they wanna black unless
just let a black it for a while and see if we can wait a mom
I did notice that there were some legislators over
on the side observing this and I thought to myself this is that gonna go down
well with them
and i felt that there was going to be a reckoning at some time in the future
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the University Wisconsin was a short walk
from the state capital where the legislature and the governor
met daily your governor nolls
who was on the telephone excoriating the Chancellor of the University
William Sorrell for not taking action against these disruptive students
there was sort of in unwritten expectation that madison police would
take care patrolling man dissonant University of Wisconsin police officers
would take care of the campus
close to the city cops were from the side of Madison
working-class side of town by to them the university on the west side was a
foreign world
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on State Street were a person like me who's
from a farming community begin to realize that there was a different
different society orders far students a lot I'm from the East Coast
a lotta money new cars nothing they couldn't buy
age to ride the bus to work lose this one guy who get on the bus
and he would just condemning scream and holler about to government my meaning
where
just looked at him I said general 0 if they ever wanted to drop the atom bombs
a test
you can drop a red-top University I would gauge
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they were young downs
and it didn't work really have any idea what they were doing in a thought
this was a wee for them to show their patriotism
was if you wanna run this by anarchy
which is what they were trying to do then you have a fight on your hands
movie now
hell not Dana b-52's drop bombs that night
slide you did attack the next morning
you know okay can be we don't know I was
there was one lone tree left standing grant
on the street monkey climbing up
than halfway down the tree name
garner soldiers ask for permission to shoot the monkey
because he hadn't provide news
young on Markham a similar situation was two hours
just want to live like us
I ordered the soldiers not to shoot I'm telling moon
them
on
when we came in for breakfast that morning I would say go to be a big fight
today
no the plane ammunition oh yes sir yes sir like
while they told us we were going to our place it was gonna be freer of
and that song they didn't tell us what weight knowledge
you had no choice you just went
I do not believe the kernel allen head
ever move put the command group on the ground until seven ten
move and he showed up with I think 13 people a change
crashed
alpha coming was leading in right my now for coming
dollar Cup there like 130 vast and almost wanna biggest forces we were sent
out
there's no way they're gonna muscle last and build up
Italian commanders had scouts I'm the high country news
he would observe the enemy and report back
a tap the trees
to let me know they received my orders
a let the enemy approach coming in close until they were in firing range
I happened to see it removed to my left front
I remember who was sitting behind me but I did tapping
on the shoulder nice I pointed to the tree and I took my m16 and put it on
automatic
and then he looked at in gaza is not from there suddenly there was this
series of
clicking sounds and in the battle started
the channel like every weapon in the world was being fired at that point
from from all directions on us by celebrating fallish Sakura scoop on
national Gribble for when we heard
a lot of our the head up this which we new
was Alpha Company but they will fire now the trees
they were firing I'm bonkers why did she have model flash
we had
a hundred search team and they had 1400 min
okay tender one it was 10
21 when backing out we had more soldiers than the G
we didn't have the same fire pp
now we would fight very close to them only ten or fifteen meters away
the comment when we stayed close to them they could in bama's
within a few minutes I guess whatever I could tell
a huge Claymore mind when of updated
fair old could sergeant Johnson
was laying next to me to this day SCM
you just lay in their blood
well
up Alpha Company disappeared
and now farmers directed against bush
against Delta Company looked at economic
don't get it at that point we brought in the 3rd battalion
governments we had the enemy on three sides
that was a shocker
bunch of Iran the Charter killing my gosh
fire alright and former require home
and when I came back to see Carl Allen pressure do something you bring
artillery
give me your children give me either command give me something
I thought about the the mutiny on the bounty there that that ran through my
mind
your should I take over the day would come right in on us
I seen one run up to a one of our machine gunners
and blower claymore mine I'll
she course your machine guns did somebody else get gone
Gungor a guy didn't give him that much time
more too many people were dead too many people were going to die could not be
couldn't even have run away there's a little left Gulf accomplish data modem
lieutenant Welsh he was moving around among the people
telling them where to buy arms I seen him get here
at least two-time then i've seen. involve public timeline in right back
digits good for the membership to drop a movie because if you're coloring down
makes them think it's really bad %uh and I came to the coral
and he's looking at a picture yo and my words to hear what the hell are you
doing looking at a picture
%uh and I'm gonna fire a jury and then you should know you can't farm
artillery because our first elite sure your
of a company's gone I'm firing got a bullet came over here to him
right in the hell but but it just blew the top part should weigh
the
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and I could then she there was a picture of the three little girls
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anybody was in shade was safe anybody there was an
sunshine was getting shot your
I can't remember his last name but look at me and say
region out there and help me help me every time he tried did
moved to get them cover they that should
if I get over the fear and
felt more braver packard ran out there saved his life yeah
dikes of man you notice run out gramm
home there head
up
an awesome day to spare it was all over and
it was car they were gone up
you like a cannon when the enemy attack we had no choice but to fight them
union will we were late for next battle
working so we left
I went through I don't know how many different bodies crawl around either
trying to find somebody that was a lie
I mean there's people with no faces
arm likes messin I was there when the fire
stock I do not know when I became unconscious the final time
I looked around and
everything we just did silence measures
digital-only butter Bergeron
known orange in
and Iran I remembered how learn
can anybody hear me and
after a holler Derek couple times I heard someone of
short red short distance away said yeah were over here
that who is it not all amounts to do this for sure
for sunburn and
he said
ira worry learn to scrap
they teach you the NTRP but I remembered im sayin
only Bruno United States I
so I doling many said the
who won the World Series a
them I'm not a sport purse
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now remembered sayin gonna hell knows
Google who won the damn World Series who cares I G
god damn it is the birds on I'll start cussin going on
and then I heard another man there was with him
speaker said yeah accidents for sharin
142 Americans one out 64 died as a result to that pride
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ghanaian I'll we snuck back to examine the battlefield
me I thought coffee
fuck did we kill them all young Playa
only saw made a shadow because we saw how small we were compared to them
I can tell as small as one at their thoughts
90 oh my I never understood by the americans came to OUR country
maybe they thought vietnam was rich
so they came over an attack could
an October
17 and went to build and I woke up
with the most intense dream
than I thought it was real I heard
my brother calling my name in the vision
then I saw he had his arms out
and when I looked at him
there was a giant hole in the stomach and that was
it was just sold soul real
in their name urges
scared the daylights out of me in
when I got up in the morning
I can do nothing about the planned demonstration against an now
what was on my mind at that day wise that the following day
I was going to be having my very first six week exam at the University
in my French literature class
at some point as in climbing up the hill I hear some musical instruments
in front the Commerce building
there were a group of students and they were
chanting walking around in a circle I was
absence not a protester take I felt angry at people who were against the war
and and an antagonistic toward people who were
on actively protesting the war
the decision was made to peacefully sedan and obstruct
blocked the interview stop that from happening not allowed out a recruit
so we march into the hallway worded a hundred service
by that point we're packin so tightly you couldn't literally couldn't no one
thought about getting her
with their in the spirit of the civil rights movement
nonviolent protest you submit to arrest you making
a personal commitment and a moral statement
one there is always the sense that the campus was a protected
even a free speech apart from the rest to the city
but Chancellor saw was under enormous pressure
that he had no idea how to defuse the situation
he called the Chi for the madison police for help it was the first time the
madison police have been brought under the university campus
on
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I was specifically assigned to be
in the a congress hallway to maintain communication with the students
oliver side
there was electric tension in
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felony Billy Simon schema Magno believe the time was a freshman he said
0 these separately there's police up by the carom
and I saw the madison police officers own them
we didn't know what to expect
we just knew that there was only about 30 of us and we were
way outnumbered I was in my office working on my research
when number of students marched through the door and said Professor Zeitlin
professors I when you've got to come
the police %uh are massing outside in the Commons building that looks like a
gonna go in there and they're gonna start beating up
stones so I dash across the street to the Commerce building
standing there wearing helmets and carrying
billy clubs really prepared for war where the police from the city
a Madison i-20 bass camallo
to see my senior colleague the new chancellor of the university of
wisconsin a man for whom I had the deepest respect to close friendship
William so we'll I dashed and I said Bill
you don't know what's happening the police as I do know what's happening
and i cant do anything stopping as a boy who called the police
be said I calm
and I was a profoundly
that was a profound shower
the University want us to go in and and clear the building they didn't say how
they just said
we want him removed supplying
I see this man
he had a ball for and made this announcement anyone who wanted to move
the Commerce building
should leave now because in two minutes
the police were going to be entering the building
going to be resting anyone who's things
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was dead not I don't think even ten or twenty seconds elapsed
when all of a sudden
the get police stormed the building and I remember they
had these billy clubs and they were breaking the glass doors
Commerce building when the window when I'll everything
everything turns the turn loose we turn loose and it was a matter of
who's gonna win
a new sound merged out the commotion it sounded like
somebody breaking watermelons with a baseball bat that was pretty frightened
because
we were trapped and this sound was approaching
just been in since they came at me and grabbed me
it just proceeded to alternately
club me and somebody just whacked me
base of the spine
me to grab somebody get somebody not come down
step line behind fix a guy up
throws in back to the line behind which pic cement rosemont the doors we
disclaim a
little we had stacked up bodies
like cordwood between the doors
people were trying to get out as the people trying to get out there
beating people up with billy clubs no as hard as they cried
you could hear them
65 people were sent to the hospital it was
the most brutal and violent thing
I had ever witnessed in my life up until then and continues to be
the most brutal and violent thing I have ever witnessed in my life
these officers were this
is no question that they want to inflict some damage
they were speaking through those those clubs
the authorities
seem not to be interested arresting people
as much as they were interested in attacking the demonstrators
and wasn't
revenge on anything with you got a student you
tried to make sure that he didn't return it he didn't want to come back
you know if that meant you know breaking his kneecap
that's what you did
police were yelling and they were smashing the kids it was a
horrendous you know when I'm standing outside of the building and
and I was naive enough to say to them I'm a member of the faculty
my name is professor more reasons i won well I'm giving this silly speech to the
police
the police officer swung at me students jumped on the police officer there was a
bully I was on the bottom of this
but I could actually hear the BOD I've club on body
I saw a policeman raises club in a thought he was about to hit a student
and I couldn't help myself I just grabbed him
he had a face mask I am and wasn't until I was inches away from his face
I realize he was a person that I got a high school and I said
jury what are you doing it he said to be the same thing jack
what are you doing
all the same thing about 4,000 people watching the scene
because people were you're coming to class are leaving class
I remember people starting to scream C Kyle Seager Heil
in fact that event the police mashing students
politicized students who didn't even know the war was going on
but when they saw on their on-campus their fellow students
being smashed by police it was natural for them to turn out it was in their
nature
I'm in the crowd just
sheens well search for common rocks were coming
spent anything you could think I'll had never seen
the heat that I song these kids faces you know
towards us
was a half a brick came flying overhead with russians
not be called knock me out everything was under control and somebody and I'm
not sure who ordered up tear gas
uncertainly I started stinging and there was this
older this this funny smell
nm classrooms and professors tumbling at buildings
wouldn't tear gas my head was just spinning I thought everything had
changed
everything was different
would be
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on a normal my precum you picked up 20 helicopters
moved to San out overnight pension position in this day there were five
helicopters
more
and the sergeant must an emeritus grizzled sergeant
and the tears which is running down his face he said my god sir
said all that's left 0
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so I went down I saw on my buddies
I just felt like how could
anything be worth this
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inside by Badgers apart
and this one body bag I told us
mortician when I realized I said if that arm
left for first airborne tattoo launched
to the rush those parts and I magnin hooded and identify data schroeder
your
I was kinda wondered around in
days and I heard trucks
and
on these trucks there was american soldiers
in brand-new uniforms
I just stood there looking at my house touched
the new Bataan new me these guys were all replacements for all our guys
I remember
waking up on a table had been shot in the left arm
have been shot in the chest have been shot in the right arm
and I shot the right like everything had been shot except for my left work
a beautiful woman is leaning over mentioned return it well church gonna be
alright
you're gonna be alright and then she stepped forward
and I grabbed her camp when I should trooper
ish my Delta my Delta what has happened to my doctor
where's my doctor she should go to school
indeed
a chill to remember
it in the search and destroy operations that characterize the war in this part
of vietnam
is usually a que serve search and not find
this time practically by accident the Americans in the Viet Cong
did find each other up we were ordered to make ourselves available
in front of the Opera Company area they had set some chairs up
and we were debriefed before we went into the hooch to
interview with CBS News that we were not
to mention that it was ambush for my perspective
I was pissed because it was an ambush
I felt at that time and I still do now
that there was a cover-up we r
a pretty good idea or a
endemic corruption is REO way have
quite a bit of intelligence on this particular regiment what happens now sir
but Armstrong what happens now as we continue to work I'm
we destroy him this is what I hoped we could do for a long time is getting to
stay in one place
but I understand why Joe hey didn't want to use the word and was
because and ambush means you're incompetent
the problem was what was said about it
was a spin which made it sound
like this battle was part of something bigger which was very successful
in vietnam the 1st Infantry Division
costly bitter battle with the vietcong iron triangle forty miles northwest
saigon
as reportedly smashed Bergeron a plan to overruns back on itself
battle took place yesterday between 1500 Americans and 2500 got Kong
before the fighting and the 15 a Americans were that
including lieutenant colonel terry Alan Europe
sama the world war two Journal will come out that the first division in Europe
it was a total
fabrication what really happened the cash like showed like a victory
Americans helm of the Baba Baba 103 enemy killed our stuff
that haunted me I'm not a cynic
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but I started to become fun you know home
work of history you know what the hell
who the hell knows what really happened if that's the way
history is written reports will indicate that as water fifty
Madison policemen were called to the scene
and were met by an angry this year's modellers 300 or more protesters
led by in in many cases professionals from all over the city
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would indicate that at times they were fighting
for their own lines 0
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many days after dow the newspapers came out was stories that essentially
blamed her blamed the students for what happened then
blamed us for for provoking it in causing it and
and our I am for attacking the police and you know
making them have to defend themselves a a against us
and adjust headed to the credibility gap that that we already felt
with all of the institutions about our team
going to be a recurring thing you think you see in the end of the spectrum
I certainly hope that is on a recurring however when we r
warned in advance people are going to disrupt we have two
tried to prevent straps
good just blew my mind just shotgun
at the University as I saw him chosen had taken sides
they were with down one
they were with 0 war profiteers they were with
0 weapons makers you know they were really part of the war
ok
that was the beginning a movement on campus until then there had been
anti-war
demonstrations on campus there have been anti-war
teach-ins on campus but that gave rise to
spontaneous outpouring student said if they're doing that
to us here if they're doing that too us here
for peaceful protests for doing nothing more than sitting in
maybe the United States is the bully abroad
as well there were students that I knew
very well as thoughtful people
and I began to think well if they felt strongly enough
to put their bodies on the line perhaps I ought to question a little more deeply
some of these things
strike was called
classes were canceled probably a third to forty percent at the University
was stop on that day
I gonna have to strike end the realization hit me
that if I were to participate in this
I would have to miss not shell from my first six week exam
as a freshman at the University I really had to go inside
and decide that I had a civic responsibility
to say that what I had witnessed
was wrong there was a real process of transformation
in terms of my franking I now felt like I was part of this anti-war
movement on campus which had grown
into a reveal sizable movement
after dow chemical on
October 22nd your arlene
Hello Baby how's my girl I'm much better
the doctor showed up my one this morning this afternoon at about 5 p.m.
general westmoreland came and presented me with the purple heart
and congratulated me for the Silver Star they had television cameras and lights
to
I wonder if anybody saw me at home one of his aides
I remember came to me and he said
look Castillo we know you're eighteen-years-old
the generals can come and give you the Silver Star
and he's probably gonna ask you how old you are and when he does
I'd like you to say your tank in a twenty general westmoreland came into
the ward
in that shook hands said congratulations observe you congratulate me on the enemy
and I said we lost that battle I i remember vaguely
waking up enough to know that there shall watch porn
and somebody being there and somebody taken some pictures and somebody shaken
hands
a man I believe general westmoreland find all manly man down in shame
well shown on gladly I'm glad you're alright tell me what happened that day
said Sir Syed
we got ambushed oh no no no he said
old he said that were no way ambush and acid well general
then I don't know what happened to the other people after
but by god I was ambushed and I recall
them that I should sure I will tell you what happened today the got damn
army is fucked up from the press United States on down to my boss
conlon pledged it
good deep anger still Welsh korchi
army the organization the government the person on stage
gesture look what you've done
a quick look what we do
and October 20th
I remember being in my bedroom and the doorbell ring
and I picked out
and I saw a soldier in uniform my herd to skill to my feet because
I just new way he was there
my head went blank niña
I remember just being so cold and shaking
and is holding my arms real tight I didn't wanna hear it
in I do remember him saying
killed in action and
my dear dad was yelling from
deepens heard Hoggard known that Danny
my couldn't get take me instant
remembered the dream than a year Danny
and everything just clicked I knew he was dead
I believe that that with
there was the influence goodbye to me
who's all we did he reached out
and
there was their final home two officers came to the house
nato military had been
reported missing in action ok
I just started screaming at
officers and I told them
they were lying to me
and then I knew that he was dead
I'll
it was just loss loss of so much
not the passing of someone that we could say died in a way that clearly was going
to bring about some greater good
it was just loss
well
they make spill 13 office and I wonder what they're gonna say about
you know the new little click new outside agitators moms
because that's not what the reality is the reality is that there is a very real
social movements com
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starting on Monday morning at 10 o'clock we're going to calling witnesses
they'll be asked to testify in it just life really will be spinning
them we can assure anyone that's not even be a witch I'm
would bomb
the administration at the University Wisconsin wanted to punish the stones
I'll not just for sitting in
but to punish the stones precisely because they were taking positions with
today
vehemently opposed and bill so all
got trapped
to me that was a very profound lesson how man
who oppose your the policies
up their government nevertheless find themselves
up holding 0 those policies
in practice by virtue of the position and the pressures put upon
became too interview 0
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in the pain will still work ninety years old at that point
when he started to describe what happened in those
few minutes seeing the police go in with their billy clubs and seen kids come
flying out with her bloodied hands
he started crying
in your
I want to mess that Sandy and
the priest was given his home he said
something about well maybe you know we they help the students have something to
say
we should start listening to him you don't want out I remember the Treasury
well
I don't think I ever spoke to him and in thinking
for you go to school you gonna say
after
October 18th riding in Madison became
a routine thing we were going through fifty thousand dollars
yes week
we had sometimes lit up the streets appointed look like fog recently
they're trying to take over my country and I'm
not permit that to happen
the dow demonstrations first violent
anti-war demonstration to take place on the university campus
now in the next three four five months ago when she hit 68
everything is gonna pop but I think Wisconsin is the first
and data and hours was the bell
the anti-war movement from that point on
just grew larger
a few days after dow there was a protest in Washington
really the first massive anti-war protest at the Capitol
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when the Tet Offensive comes three months later public perceptions
changed forever from that point that was the point where
the american public essentially concluded that vietnam was
not worth fighting an unwinnable 0
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through time is black lines were killed that day who time their protest its
consular
people responsible for the war essentially new
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only flew home I was with two guys that I knew we
took a taxi care to the San Francisco Airport
the taxi cab driver talk about prices tires in
traffic can never quite got around to saying hey
welcome home or
how was it or good luck
and a I thought
that this is probably a sign of things to come
I mean I knew my parents would be happy to see me I know if anybody else would
be happy to see me
so I knew I was gonna have one good friend me and so I sent a letter all to
myself and i actually on that letter
when I got home I mean there was no brass band wat Nonya
another your hero you lost the war
I was pretty bitter II considered those people to be traitors
I'm traders cowards
than any other dirty namely could come up
for i'm concerned. I can land those people open shooting right between us
as pretty hard stand
mint mister where field I mother and father were both lost to the war
so now there's only me
nobody else calling highlights family is also completely gone
yeah I only her are lost to the war
my house isn't about a field where we fought that day
yeah my neighbors ask if I'm not afraid
black with the ghosts about the dead Americans
tugging at my feet
am
you know nobody gives up their life for the country they have their life
for away from
nobody nobody gives up too late for work
not like a shop
I see their faces national it hurt so much you know
you're so young to die so young for a needless cock
high price to pay more something went wrong
and as you look at it now you know it was wrong we are no
business be in there I'm not ready to give up on
vietnam as a force for good
okay I'm not ready to admit that was an evil thing that happened
to the United States of America that never should have happened
or even that it wasn't worth it
now part of that is because I can't except
that deaths at my buddies
has not been worse up
I've had many years to reflect upon my decisions and my actions
and realize where I acted
stupidly in haste foolishly
in cruelly but I have never changed my mind about the wrongness of the war in
Vietnam
you need to have
people were willing to stand-up
and take action Wang they think something is wrong and that's what a
democracy is all about
it changes who you are when you put that kinda time in that kinda effort into
into a cause you emerge from that different and I think we emerge from
that
absolutely less optimistic absolutely
less hopeful we were committed and willing and wanting
to give everything they didn't want it
and we stop giving it and the fact that it's not around now
in the way it was then i think is extremely harmful to the country
I think every country needs the kind o idealism that we had
have only respect
for the men who fought in that war because they didn't make the war
they didn't choose to fight in that war but they accepted the responsibility
that they thought was theirs is an American citizen
okay they carried the burden of being an American citizen
when they were sent to war they fought and I carried the burden nadolol
comparable love being an American citizen by opposing that morning
and I had the choice and they didn't and for that I was privileged
and they weren't but we were both doing our duty
up I think back then
if people train in any way to stop the war
they probably felt that they were doing the right thing on the other hand the
boys in vietnam
felt they were doing the right thing in the and
I wonder who was raped
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I was very proud to be an American
I I felt like this is the greatest country in history the world
I volunteered for the draft kid was an escape from me
to avoid attending college my granddad fought in the war
my father fought more this is what you're supposed to do if they wanted you
so that's what you did even all wrong you had no choice in Athens
and the first born jewish sign after the holocaust you don't just blindly follow
you don't just blindly obey you stand up when you see something wrong
your government like any other government can make mistakes
danny and I grew up in milwaukee
people in urban neighborhoods didn't go to college
%um graduated you got your diploma from high school and you got it
full-time job
I lost my student deferment and I remember staying
in a barracks and the boy who was
on the upper bomb he looked to be like seventeen and half I couldn't even
believe he was drafted
engines
and he cried Hall night
and i felt horrible
the only thing I felt I could do was simply work hard
stop
vietnam's oppressed people the edge the Britons
is what I praying for all my adult life that's why I'm
was in the Boy Scouts trustworthy loyal helpful friendly all that stuff was just
a
the course I'll go to be aka
and for somebody to say that it's wrong to liberate the oppressed
complexions which is so sharp
social that not so simple
home
up
we were informed they were wrong way in the black why and spatial
June it and I told us all about it now
the Charlie was really scared nervous now has pumped up the factories I can we
were invincible
you know you're twenty years on your bulletproof well
maybe I'm basically I don't think I give a shit about communist
hey for fighting communism RG refine his swing dancers are gay
for and doing whatever the government says they own me I gotta
I was older
I was 23 years old majority the people that were there
the kid killer from either kids 1819
cherry boys summer had never been with a woman
these were some great guys
they become your whole world there they're more important to you
that time then your family because you know yet they're going to be with you
tomorrow
we train hard hard hard I talk a lot of the classes myself
they were good and they were bright
it was like I didn't want to go to sleep at night and when I would sleep and wake
up the Chiefs pressure some we could have had
the first day when you share Ameristar stranger she some
shop for I like 10 where you guys think we're gonna go inside
the hell is wrong with you the train show what
that develops into you been shot in the arm
so what the your body's been killed
show what
they get better and better and better
she cut him problem all I want to do is make a better couple
all injured
by Lacey every day I can see my company get better and better
the
been quite a shift for people in our but I am no wonder spot too much or
battalion commander
last night you finally got relieved lieutenant colonel alan is our commander
now
as far as I know he seems like a fine man I said
you know I relation to General Jerry Allen are you is the Hammers Sun
and I just was absolutely flabbergasted by that
General Terry Allen
he was on the cover of Time magazine it was very clear that my dad
wanted nothing more than to be a general like his dad was
he very much wanted his father to be proud of him
I encourage this I very much wanted to be a general's wife
when I first met terry
I was 18 so he would have been 31
it was very prestigious to marry into the Allen family
and in El Paso there was no question
fact the war in Vietnam was a good be
and we would go over and meet with with him
would come back and to me Vietnam and especially
it this was Terry's opportunity have compact tea
that was really the sum total in my own mind
the new
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will return to school 467 lot of things to change since the spring
awarded picked up considerably
them people were getting
angrier and angrier and angrier about
the war and the draft news that they were seen
images on television the level of violence the body counts the bombings
because all mounting a week and a blast Saturday
171 Americans were killed in combat
line 177 were ordered 193 American
died in combat last week it was proper up for the war
out before the important thing column
more and more people we're trying to make a decision about we are they would
stand in relation to vietnam
I was aware for the first time that there was a beginning of some kind of a
movement
it was kinda mystifying and it was also a bit threatening to me because I
thought
what's going to happen here
everyone was trying to get your attention and my might be
you know a petition to sign against the wall and get mom
you know I had very suspicious feelings that these folks
if my government said we need to be in vietnam and I believe we need to be in
Vietnam
remember group was gathering and looking at the
daily Cardinal and seen that dow was coming to campus
to recruit which prompted a discussion that we had to start preparing for their
the best-known product that those working was Sarah
the bell company began making napalm
him 1960 phone the port terminal C
you'll had sure in the armed services
in world war two the really good
rather natural the
wooden your girl wanted you to make so
so stoked even though it was very nasty stuff
that you waited will
without request
but napalm was this hideous jelly
gas burning at two thousand degrees Fahrenheit
ok it didn't just kill you
tortured it has a complete references ICON be they the
the gas they use in the concentration camps it felt like
chemical warfare at its worst napalm was the symbol of the war
a year earlier the better you story and ramparts magazine talking about the fact
that the poem
yeah i dont work it said were millions of
children in vietnam have been burned by it
the horror of napalm
made an indelible impression on all of us and especially on students
when they discovered that the United the University of Wisconsin
had invited I'll chemical company to come to woo the
campus to recruit and the man who was to become the Chancellor of the University
shortly thereafter
William Sorrell he said why can't they go ang
recruit off campus like they do in most places saw was an opponent of the
Vietnam War
be brought against allowing down to recruit on campus
he was outvoted the faculty endorse their right to be crude
and the response students who cared was
that they had to do something with the faculty was not going to take a
reasonable standard this
your
people who work for now that's their business however cheap use
university buildings to infect provide a subsidy to dial
by providing them space we thought was absolutely wrong
then wanna see anymore Vietnamese children running around
but their clothes burned off
there were millions of us who thought that if we
put in enough time and made enough noise
they would make it impossible for the government to keep sending
young man 2 p.m.
theme
in the fall of 1967 there were nearly a half-million
American troops in Vietnam general westmoreland commanded
general wanted another hundred thousand or more thinking that they could win the
war
through battles a patrician
lyndon johnson wanted body counts the pressure was flowing down on all these
battalions
like the black lines talent just go out into the jungle
search out the vietcong destroyed
good
we had some intelligence that a PC division
were in this area until around the 10th of October
the black lines percent back out Gary Allan commanded it was exciting day
would be out searching for Basecamp searching for the enemy
and then at night he would come back to what was called a night defensive
position
we moved from one night
defensive position to another and it seemed like
every day we we may contact you sometime maybe two or three people
maybe just a couple around sniper or something you know there was movement
all around us
you could just sense it
in the air just get goose bumps Hollywood Hills least 10 City
you don't come in my backyard sneak up on me
however nook never cranny I know the Creech
you English make up on me and I will it's my hometown you're not gonna just a
little bit Nam sneak up on OBC
a note for your epi know who you're for you every base camp
my company wish
getting most of the action because I would go with the enemy was I I had a
good feel for what the enemy
sure but we were fine indiana good
good
I could have cream that it was the entire region 8 p.m. bundled onto
my regiment had twelve hundred soldiers complied
we weren't supposed to engage in any battles day
be we're just passing through on our way to another mission we had no race to eat
for days
good
the day we heard he came to this area they might have rice
but when we got there on October 15
ok we found that this unit had no right to proceed
%um
like told us to wait a few days William
we go bonkers in case of attack ape
you know cookout members have been wantin
we had fun rice in that area we would have left the area on the 16
comp another fighting would have taken place
it's a big hot murderous John somewhere in here are hundreds maybe thousands of
communist troops
the last couple of days american soldiers have come in
looking for that spoiling for a fight there was
feeling from general westmoreland all away on down
like we were doing an offline work
and not getting much return
we had a hard time havin big fights
we thought we were doing at work the enemy wasn't fighting
where's the animation well I think right now they're
of us and some of the west but
find don't you worry about general hey the commanding general was being told by
Westmoreland that he wasn't aggressive enough
so he in turn was putting pressure on its commanders like Terry Allen
to go chase down the vietcong
Jerry Allen new that the purpose for him being in there
was to make contact and beat him up
the company commanders are encouraging the platoon leader to get to put on
moving
an italian commander is encouraging the company commander to get his company
faster colonel alan he's up our plan round little bubble chopper
he'd say pick up the POS should go on to Schroeder nuclear and fifty Pam Paxson
and not knowing when summer's gone ambush you he was mad cuz we're on a
roll through the jungle faster
future big ass i helicopter and a hairdryer
carry on certainly felt the pressure
a battalion command the guy before him had been relieved of command
and he certainly don't want to get relieved of command
by this time
we had become conference in on a mean he he was telling me stuff to
he was thinking about your
beaded tell me that he had gone home try to patch up
his marriage your
when Terry left to go to war in Vietnam
I said about trying to build some kind of a life for myself
in his absent 0
I didn't know really what it meant to be the wife
somebody in the Army it it's incredibly challenging way to live
all of a sudden you are in the house
along assumptions that I had never questioned
were being challenged
choice I was big news hi
he's images what was being shown on television
every night in the nightly news the bloody combat
the body bags that were coming back shots
the protesters in other parts of the country and
all of a sudden there was a whole new dimension
to the war in Vietnam it was opened up to me
it was shattering
it felt as though
I had been living a lie and it did seem like
a huge backdrop
I've Disneyland had all the sudden been
ripped apart and in its place
you saw women in children
and soldiers on both sides being blown up
and body parts and blood and body bags
and people crying
and you had to ask what
T is my role in this what have I done
or what am i doing that is keeping this
going how am i cant