这已经是本月第二起动物死亡案了 Second 430B out here this month.
女人就是舍不得她们的猫 Lady can't give up her cats, man.
什么 猫死了还舍不得 What? Even when they're dead?
闻起来不像是死猫味 That doesn't smell like cat.
拉斯维加斯警察 Las Vegas police!
呼叫总部 1G12队 疑似有尸体 Control, 1-George-12, possible 419,
请求支援并派犯罪现场调查小组过来 requesting backup and CSI to our location.
该你了 Your turn.
收到 我们会通知犯罪现场调查小组 Copy that. We'll notify CSI
并派遣一组前来支援 and a unit to back up 2-4.
怎么 脚软吗 老兄 What, you getting soft, man?
我估计此路不通 I don't think we're getting in this way.
米奇和埃克斯说后面有路进去 Mitch and Akers said there's a way in around back.
他们没有进去 对吧 They didn't go in, did they?
就只是看了看 Eyeballs only.
他们说不想破坏潜在的犯罪现场 They said they didn't want to disturb a potential crime scene.
死者有可能是屋主玛尔塔·圣地亚哥 The victim is probably the homeowner, Marta Santiago.
她一个人住吗 She live alone?
据我们所知是的 As far as we know.
县政府对外宣称这个地方危及公共安全 The county declared this place a risk to public safety.
他们已经下达强制清理令 They ordered a forced clean-out.
应该在下周五执行 Supposed to happen by next Friday.
能有多危险呢 Ah, how bad can it be?
嗨 小心点 Hey, watch your, uh...
好的 Yeah.
你打算怎么做 So how do you want to do this?
要是还能看到墙的话当然是靠墙走 Well, I'd say "Hug the walls," If I could see them.
现在看来我们只能自辟小径了 Goat trails seem to be our only option.
除非你喜欢翻垃圾 Unless you're into Dumpster diving.
好吧 那我走我的阳关道 Okay, I'll take the high road,
你走你的独木桥咯 you take the low road?
-边走边记录吗 -对 - Document as we go? - Yeah.
来吧 Great.
你没事吧 Are you okay?
没事 Yeah.
这简直不是人住的地方 How could someone live like this?
闻起来更像是死人住的地方 Well, it smells more like somebody died like this.
我擦 Son of a bitch!
怎么了 What was that?
我刚看到一只老鼠窜过去了 Think I just saw a rat wearing a saddle.
这声音听起来不对劲 That doesn't sound good.
我想我的鞋刚成为了证据 I think I just became evidence.
看来你找到圣地亚哥夫人了 I think you just found Mrs. Santiago.
尼克 Nick.
笑一个 Smile.
嗨 我听说你真的踩上去了 Hey, I heard you really stepped in it.
一脚踩了下去 你瞧 Directly in it. Look at that.
里面真的很恶心 老兄 That's nasty in there, man.
我已经通知了验尸房 Oh, I, uh, called the coroner's office.
让他们等我们清出一条路后再来 Asked them to hold off until we cleared a path.
好吧 祝你好运 Well, good luck with that.
萨拉在里面 Sara's inside.
但愿你有多带一双鞋 Hope you brought another pair of shoes.
搞什么 有人吗 What the...? Hello!
是我 It's just me.
踩到泡沫包装了 Bubble wrap.
连这个都不愿意扔 Wouldn't want to throw that out.
你在哪 Where are you?
在缝纫机那儿右拐 Hang a right at the sewing machine,
再在储物玻璃瓶那儿左拐 and a left at the Mason jars.
哪个缝纫机 Which sewing machine?
跟着手电筒的光走吧 Uh, just follow the North Star.
大卫肯定会喜欢的 David is going to have fun with this.
她好像都融进地毯里了 Looks like she melted right into the rug.
原来是这样啊 Oh, so that's what that is.
你们在我屋子里干什么 What are you doing in my house?
我有你们给我的文件 I have the paper you gave me.
圣地亚哥夫人 是你吗 Mrs. Santiago? Is that you?
别逼我报警 Don't make me call the police.
夫人 我们就是警察 Ma'am, we are the police.
普莱斯考特医生 Dr. Prescott...
你答应让我住到下星期的 you promised I'd have until next week.
夫人 我不是普莱斯考特医生 Ma'am, I'm not Dr. Prescott.
我叫萨拉·赛德尔 My name is Sara Sidle.
我是犯罪实验室的 I'm with the crime lab.
你这有具腐烂的尸体 You have a decomposing body here.
你能出来一下吗 Would you mind stepping out?
我们有几个问题想要问你 We'd like to ask you a few questions.
好吧 我出来了 Okay. I'm coming.
等一下 Hold on. Uh...
你还是原地待在吧 Why don't you stay there?
我来找你好了 I'm going to come to you.
你不会是要给我拍照吧 Oh, you're not going to take a picture of me, are you?
夫人 这个屋子里就你一个人吗 Ma'am, is there anyone else in the house with you?
我在这里住了一辈子 My whole life is in this house.
我是问 这个屋里子 I mean, is there anyone else
除了你 还有别的住客吗 living in the house with you right now.
鬼 Ghosts.
圣地亚哥夫人 我需要你看点东西 Uh, Mrs. Santiago, I need you to take a look at something.
如果我肯看 你们会离开吗 If I do, will you leave?
这个我可不能保证 I can't promise you that.
麻烦跟我过来 Please, come with me.
这事十分重要 It's important.
那是黛安娜的衣服 That's Diana's dress!
那是我的女儿 That's my daughter!
-我的孩子 黛安娜 -节哀顺变 听着 -That's my baby! Diana! -Okay, look,
我们会小心处理她的 好吗 we're going to take very good care of her, okay?
-我保证 -不要动那个 -I promise. -Don't touch that!
什么 What?
把它给我放下 Put it down!
你们都给我立刻住手 You need to stop that, right now!
也许你该把那个先放下 Maybe you should put that down.
-停手 马上 -快放下吧 尼克 -You need to stop! Right now! -Put it down, Nick.
女士 我们先出去再说 好吗 Ma'am, why don't we step outside, okay?
我们马上... We're gonna...
我们马上就出去 We're gonna... just gonna go outside.
跟我来 走这边 If you'd just come with me, all right?
十分遗憾 So sorry.
嘿 Hey.
你们还没为搬运尸体清出道路啊 You didn't clear a path for the body.
你在开玩笑吗 You kidding me?
你可是超人大卫啊 You're Super Dave.
太恶心了 Disgusting.
-准备好了吗 -嗯 -You ready? -Yeah.
加油 加油 Come on. Come on.
你过得来吗 Yeah, you got it?
我很感谢尼克为我踩出个Y型切口 I appreciate Nick doing the Y-incision for me.
尽管我爱解剖刀远胜于靴子 Though I generally prefer a scalpel to a boot.
死者应该是二十岁出头 Victim appears to be in her early 20s.
你认为她在屋子里死了多久了 How long do you think she was lying dead in the house?
死了大概有五到七天了 Post-mortem interval is anywhere from five to seven days.
这么说整整一周她母亲都没发觉 So her mother didn't notice for a week.
死因是什么呢 So what do you got for cause of death?
硬膜外血肿 Epidural hematoma.
也就是说她并没有即时死亡 That means she didn't die instantly.
是意外还是人为 我可说不准 Accidental or deliberate, I can't say,
但我敢肯定她曾遭当头一击 but I do know that it was a single blow to the head.
伤痕看起来像是巨大的条形码 The wound impression looks like a giant bar code.
你以前遇见过相似的伤痕吗 Have you ever seen anything like that before?
没有 迄今为止 No, it's one weapon
我从未见过这种凶器 which has thus far escaped my attention.
不管凶器是什么 只要还留在屋里头... Whatever it was, if it was in the house...
她就应该还没有扔掉 she probably didn't throw it out.
黛安娜并不是圣地亚哥太太唯一的孩子 So, Diana wasn't Mrs. Santiago's only child.
档案里说她还育有一子一女 The case file mentioned another daughter and a son.
都已长大成人了 Both grown.
布拉斯正在试图联系他们 Brass is trying to track them down.
能在这里有点收获已是万幸 Good luck finding anything in here,
更别说找出凶器了 let alone a murder weapon.
我看这未必是一起谋杀案 I'm not so sure we're dealing with a murder here.
萨拉 看看这地方 Sara, look at this place.
不管是母亲用什么打了女儿 Whether the mother hit the daughter with something,
还是女儿被某件掉落的垃圾砸中 or it fell off one of these big piles of crap,
这间屋子终究是元凶 this house killed her.
我发现了血迹 I've got blood drops.
什么 What?
就在这儿 Right here.
到这里就没了 I lost the trail.
血迹斑斑啊 That's a lot of blood.
没错 Sure is.
罗宾斯医生说死者仅遭当头一击 You think Doc Robbins was right about that
你看他判断无误吗 single blow to the head?
有反应很正常 It's a generalized reaction.
当然了 Of course it is,
因为发光氨试剂会对 'cause the luminol's reacting to
这里的猫尿 粪便 all the cat urine, feces,
等乱七八糟的东西产生反应 and God knows what else in this place.
我们可以试试用双氧水 We could use hydrogen peroxide.
你带了吗 Got some on you?
带了 I do.
当它接触血液时会有泡沫生成 It'll foam up when it makes contact with the blood.
没错 太棒了 Yeah. Nice.
看来有人试图打扫这间屋子 Somebody tried to tidy up in here.
也许是黛安娜 Maybe Diana.
所以她最后才会和地毯融为一体 That could explain how she ended up melted into the rug.
法院强制要求 You know, the court ordered
圣地亚哥夫人清理这个地方 Mrs. Santiago to clean this place up.
黛安娜过来帮忙... Diana came over to help...
黛安娜 不 快住手 Diana! No! No!
-我们必须把这些统统丢掉 -不行 不行 - We've got to clear this out. - No, no! No!
求求你 Please!
不 No!
我叫你住手的 I told you to stop!
这都是你凭空猜测罢了 尼克 Mm, getting a little ahead of the evidence, Nick.
是吗 You think?
你们在这儿干嘛呢 What are you doing here?
你们有搜查令吗 You have... you have authorization for this?
-冷静点 -我出去看看 - Calm down... - I'll check that out.
你们不能擅闯民宅 You can't be here.
这是我母亲的房子 This is my mother's house.
先生 我明白你的心情 Sir, I understand,
但是请你往后退一点 but you need to step back.
不好意思 你是圣地亚哥的儿子吗 Excuse me. Uh, you're Mrs. Santiago's son?
我是朱利安·圣地亚哥 I'm Julian Santiago.
她是我的母亲 She's my mother.
到底发生什么事了 What's going on here?
我们在调查一宗谋杀案 We're investigating a homicide.
我妈妈死了 My mother's dead?
我们相信死者是你的妹妹黛安娜 We believe it's your sister Diana.
很抱歉 请节哀 I'm very sorry for your loss.
发生什么事了 Wh-what happened?
那正是我们想弄清楚的 Well, that's what we're trying to sort out.
你最后一次和黛安娜说话是什么时候 When was the last time that you spoke with Diana?
大概一周前她给我打电话 She called me about a week ago.
说妈妈从普莱斯考特医生那收到 Said Mom got a letter from Dr. Prescott
一封强制清理通知 about the forced clean-out.
她问我能不能来帮忙 She asked if I could help.
我说我会再回她电话 I told her I'd call her back.
那你回了吗 Did you?
没有 No.
你还有另一个妹妹 是吧 You also have, um, another sister, isn't that right?
艾丽莎 Alisa.
很久没有和她来往了 Hav-have-haven't spoken to her in a while.
为什么 Why is that?
她不是那种好相处的人 She's not the easiest person to deal with.
我想你已经看过这间屋子了 I mean, you've seen the inside of this house.
在这里长大让艾丽莎饱受煎熬 Alisa had the hardest time with it, growing up.
我们需要能联系到她本人的电话 Well, we're going to need a number where we can reach her.
好的 Uh, yeah.
那间屋子里发生了什么事 普莱斯考特医生 What happened in that house, Dr. Prescott?
你觉圣地亚哥夫人会伤害 Do you believe that Mrs. Santiago is capable
她的女儿吗 of hurting her daughter?
基于我的观察来看 不会 Based on my observation, no.
她是囤积症患者 不是杀人犯 She's a hoarder, not a killer.
过去两年 我被指派负责 I've been assigned to Mrs. Santiago's case
圣地亚哥女士的个案 for the past two years.
她穿着得体 有份图书管理员的工作 She's well-groomed, she has a job, works as a librarian,
维持生计 她的社会功能很健全 supports herself; she's quite high-functioning.
除了在那房子里的时候 Except inside that house.
学界还不能完全解释囤积癖的症候 We can't fully explain the phenomenon of hoarding.
它涉及到好几个精神疾病的范畴 It crosses over into several categories of mental illness:
强迫症 冲动控制 反社会行为 OCD, impulse control, dissociative behavior.
那她的情况是什么 And, in her case?
从我和她及她孩子的谈话得知 Based on my interviews with her and her children,
她囤积的习性胜过了 the nature of her hoarding goes beyond
丢弃物品的能力 the inability to throw things away.
对她来说 囤积是为了保护记忆 For her, it's about... safeguarding memories.
把对她和对她家人而言 Keeping things that are important to her,
重要的东西留在身边 and her family, close to her.
家庭就是她的一切 Family is everything.
如果真是这样的话 Well, if that were the case,
那她怎么会整整一周把女儿的尸体 then how could she just leave her daughter's dead body
丢在屋子里不管呢 lying in the house for a week?
每一个囤积癖患者都有 Well, every hoarder experiences
不同程度的"乱盲"症 something called "clutter blindness."
初级患者仅仅是无视 For a level-one hoarder, it can mean ignoring
堆积在房里的一堆报纸 a stack of newspapers piling up in a room.
圣地亚哥夫人属于第几级 What level is Mrs. Santiago?
第五级 Level Five.
最严重的情况 The most extreme.
所以你的意思是 So you're telling me that this
"乱盲"症导致她长期对与女儿的尸体 "Clutter blindness" would allow her to live in the house
共处一室的现状视而不见吗 with her daughter's dead body... indefinitely?
可惜事实正是如此 Unfortunately, yes.
-我什么时候可以回家 -快了 快了 - When can I go home? - Soon. Soon.
我们只是想知道黛安娜发生了什么事 We just need to understand what happened to Diana.
我们说说上周的事吧 Let's go back to last week.
我见过你们俩都在屋子里 I saw the two of you together at the house.
我的记性很不好 My memory's pretty bad.
你要扔掉吗 Are you going to throw that away?
写不出来了 玛尔塔 It's out of ink, Marta.
这可是你递给黛安娜 That's the pen you handed Diana,
让她填名字 地址和电话号码等 to write down all her information.
个人信息的笔呀 Name, address, phone.
就在你把信带给我那时 When you came by to hand me the letter,
信上写着我必须 the letter that said I had until
在11月5日下午5点前将屋子收拾干净 5:00 P.M. on November 5th to clean up.
你的记忆不如你想象的那样差 Your memory's not as bad as you think.
是吗 Is it?
关于这个钟你能想起来什么 What can you tell me about this clock?
这是个传家宝 It's a family heirloom.
我丈夫的祖父在二战前 My husband's grandfather brought it back from Spain.
从西班牙带回来的 Before World War II.
这上面是谁的血迹 And whose blood is that on it?
是黛安娜的 It's Diana's.
血迹就到此为止 Blood trail ends here.
她肯定是在这里受伤的 This must be where she was hit.
地毯上怎么会有血迹的 How did the blood get on the rug?
这是个意外 It was an accident.
呈条形码的凶器找到了 We found our bar code.
你知道这是什么吗 Do you know what this is?
黛安娜在扔东西 Diana was throwing things away.
她说她找到了一些东西 She said she found something.
她找到了什么 What did she find?
我根本不想看 I didn't want to look,
我只想让她住手 I just wanted her to stop what she was doing!
接着东西都掉下来了 她流血了 And then everything was falling; she was bleeding.
但她说她没事 She said she was okay.
之后就走了 She left.
没再回来 Didn't come back.
你能不能告诉我们她发现了什么 Can you tell us what it was that she found?
我能回家了吗 May I please go home?
-你没事吧 -没事 - Are you okay? - Yeah.
等我把把枪退膛再碰它 Don't touch it until I can clear it.
我的天啊 Geez, louise.
伙计们 Hey, guys?
看那儿 Over here.
看来这次轮到你去踩了 Looks like you stepped in it this time.
蝎子和幼虫 Scorpion and her babies.
-别开玩笑了 -好大一只 - You're kidding me. - And a big one.
蝎子一般会等到 They usually move in
骨肉分离后才入住繁殖 well after all the meat's off the bones.
倾斜的前额 狭窄的盆骨 Okay, sloping forehead, narrow pelvis,
骨盆口呈心形 inlet's nearly heart-shaped.
绝对是男性 Definitely male.
对这缎带你有什么想法 What do you make of the ribbon?
绝非平常用来捆绑的材料 It's not your typical ligature.
看看他被绑的方式 Look how he's tied up.
手腕被绑在胸前 Wrists tied in front.
所以这不是为了钳制他 So it wasn't about restraining him.
难不成我们找到了圣地亚哥先生 Think we found Mr. Santiago?
档案里的确提到过 Case file did mention something
他大约在十年前去世 about him passing away 10 years ago.
可能她不想买骨灰盒 Maybe she didn't want to spring for the urn.
我不得不说 这地方太恶心了 I gotta tell you, man, this place is disgusting.
恶心我的不是这犯罪现场 It's not the crime scene that's bugging me.
而是现场的杂物 It's what created it.
尼克 你话中所指的女屋主 Well, look, Nick, you're talking about a woman here,
显然遭受过重大的精神创伤 who has clearly been through some kind of a major trauma.
就算受过精神创伤 You can be traumatized
还是可以倒垃圾啊 and still take out the damn trash.
这不是借口 There's no excuse for this.
我开始觉得她整个的囤积行为 You know, I'm starting to think this whole hoarding thing's
是为了掩盖杀人的事实 a pretty good cover for a killer.
那是你的个人想法 我不赞同 That's your theory. I don't think so.
话说 总得有人 You know, someone
去检查圣地亚哥太太的物品 needs to go process Mrs. Santiago,
我看还是我去吧 so... I guess I'll go do that.
这个房间就交给你们搞定了 And you guys can finish up this room.
她是怎么了 What's her deal?
我觉得我们还会在这个房间 Well, I got a feeling this is not the last body
发掘出更多尸体 we're gonna find in this house.
除非她嫁得早 Well, unless she married young,
不然这不会是圣地亚哥先生 I don't think you're looking at Mr. Santiago.
迹象表明他是男性白人 Indications are male Caucasian,
五尺七寸高 five feet, seven inches tall.
年龄在15岁和17岁之间 Uh, age between 15 and 17 years.
骨头没有明显损伤 No apparent injuries to the bones.
无倾斜 无刀痕 No beveling, no tool marks,
无骨折 no fractures.
好吧 是个青少年男性 All right. Adolescent male.
这就缩小了死亡的可能性 That narrows the possibilities.
可能是嗑药过量 Could be... an overdose.
唯一的方法是鉴定骨髓 Only way to determine that is bone marrow.
我知道你肯定很怀念病理学研究的日子 And I know you must miss the days of research pathology--
要主刀吗 care for a slice?
如果你不介意的话 Don't mind if I do.
谢谢 Thank you.
圣地亚哥太太 Mrs. Santiago.
我得带走你的衣服 I'm going to need to take your clothes,
和其余的私人物品 and the rest of your personal possessions.
为什么 Why?
发生了什么事 What's happening?
你被拘留了 You're being booked.
我们在你家里找到了另一具尸体 We found another body in your house.
哪里 Where?
对不起 我现在得带走你的衣服 I'm sorry. I'm going to need to get your clothes, now.
不 我想回家 No. I want to go home!
我明白 圣地亚哥夫人 我明白 I understand, Mrs. Santiago, I do.
但 现在我真的 Um... you know... I really need you
需要你帮我个忙 to do something for me right now.
你可以做到吗 Do you think you could do that?
能把你的手给我吗 Could you give me your hand?
这很容易的 It's going to be really easy.
到这里来 We're just going to step over here.
把手放到封套上 像这样 Just put your hand over the envelope, like this.
就这样 There you go.
可以吗 All right?
骨髓细胞显示异常 Bone marrow cells exhibited some curious anomalies,
这种异常可见于先天性贫血 which you might find with dyserythropoietic anemia,
或血小板减少症 or thrombocytopenia.
亨利 做重金属测试了吗 Henry, did you run a heavy metals test?
做了 Yeah.
我可以告诉你无名氏的死因 And I got you John Doe's C.O.D.
"急性砷(砒霜)中毒" "Acute arsenic poisoning."
含量远超出标准 Levels were off the charts.
不可能是慢性中毒 No way this was poisoning over time.
死者是一次性摄入大剂量砒霜的 Victim was given one massive dose of arsenic.
你和尼克怎么了 So... what's up with you and Nick?
我觉得他没法理解这些事 I just don't think he gets it, you know?
这个家会变成这样 What happened in this house,
一定是事出有因 something caused it to happen.
由因生果 Something triggered it.
会不会是她丈夫的死呢 Death of her husband, perhaps?
一个寡妇 带着几个孩子 A woman alone, with kids...
割舍不掉她仅剩不多的东西 couldn't let go of the things that she had left?
于是一切逐渐失控 Yeah. It spiraled out of control.
普莱斯考特医生 这位是尼克·丝多克斯 Dr. Prescott, this is Nick Stokes.
尼克 普莱斯考特医生是圣地亚哥个案的社工 Nick, Dr. Prescott is Mrs. Santiago's case worker.
很高兴见到你 医生 Oh. Nice to meet you, Doctor.
你好 Hey.
那我们来谈谈这场谋杀案吧 So, now we're talking about murder.
这个女人杀人后 This woman's killing people
把尸体塞在了家里 and packing them away in her house.
虽然我无法对现场的尸体 Okay, look, I can't explain the presence
和砒霜事件作出解释 of the John Doe or the arsenic,
可玛尔塔是不会施暴的 but Marta is incapable of violence.
是吗 你凭什么这么肯定 Ooh, I don't know about that.
你碰过她的"收藏"吗 You ever touch anything of hers?
普莱斯考特医生 为了便于讨论 Dr. Prescott, for argument's sake,
假设这里还有尸体 if there are more bodies here,
那么圣地亚哥夫人 is there some method
会用何种方法藏匿尸体呢 by which Mrs. Santiago might be hiding them?
我认为你们不可能再找到其他尸体 I don't think you're going to find any more bodies.
-我知道你相信她 -话说回来 - I'm sure you don't. - However,
若你问的是像玛尔塔这种 if you're asking if a hoarder like Marta
自成系统的囤积者 has some sort of system,
那就另当别论了 then that answer is yes.
平常人生活过得井井有条 Most of us live our lives categorically.
坛坛罐罐会放在厨房 Pots and pans go in the kitchen,
工具放在工具箱里 tools go in the toolbox,
内衣放在抽屉里 underwear goes in the drawer,
可玛尔塔是依靠视觉和空间感 but Marta organizes her world
以堆积的方法来分门别类的 visually and spatially by stacking.
这和我们的犯罪现场有什么关系 What does this have to do with our crime scene?
我们正试图读懂这所房子 尼克 We're trying to learn how to read these rooms, Nick.
这我就不懂了 I don't get it.
所以我们成了窃窃私语的垃圾囖 So we're trash whispering now?
没错 如果仔细听 Yes, and if we listen carefully,
也许可以找到我们想要的东西 we might be able to find what we're looking for.
我好几个月没来过这一区了 I haven't been in this part of the house in a few months,
不过以前这儿没有这些仓储箱 but these storage bins weren't here before.
它们像是从门厅推进来这里的 Looks like these items were pushed in from the hallway.
那这又说明了什么 All right, what would that tell us?
我也不知道 I don't know.
玛尔塔经常把她 Marta was shifting her possessions
屋里的东西搬来搬去 from one side of the house to the other.
她为什么要这么做呢 Why would she do that?
因为政府下令她大扫除啊 Because the city told her to clean this place up.
这些看来是时光宝盒 These look like time capsules.
什么意思 What's that?
就是指囤积者在 A time capsule's an impulsive act
一个特定时间把一组东西 by a hoarder to throw away groups of items
收进一个容器的冲动行为 into a single container at a single moment in time.
其目的是过段时间再处理它们 However, the intention is to deal with these items later.
这些东西都是艾丽莎的 All of those items belong to Alisa.
艾丽莎 Alisa.
这是她的房间吗 Is this her room?
医生 为什么这间房这么干净 Doctor, why is this room clean?
原因是什么我就不知道了 I don't know what would trigger something like this.
我知道 I do.
而且我打赌她的尸体 And I bet we're gonna find her body
就在屋里某个地方 somewhere in this house.
你们得出来看看 You guys need to see this.
双手在前 被红缎带绑着 Hands in front, bound with red ribbon.
这之中有艾丽莎吗 Is Alisa one of them?
照表面看来 Well, from the looks of it,
我估计是三个男孩 I'd say three more boys.
看来这间屋子 Whatever comes in this house,
真是有进无出啊 doesn't seem to make it back out.
第一位无名氏是马修·普莱斯 16岁 Our first John Doe is 16-year-old Matthew Price..
内华达州 [驾驶证]
他的DNA信息 His DNA got a hit
和美国失踪人口登记簿上的匹配 off the U.S. Directory of Missing Persons.
后院另两位无名氏也找到记录了 So did two of the three of our backyard John Does.
分别是莱恩·霍夫 17岁 Ryan Hoff, age 17
和德里克·肯尼迪 也是16岁 and Derrick Kennedy, also 16.
亨利证实这四个男孩 Henry confirmed C.O.D. on all four boys
均是死于砒霜中毒 was acute arsenic poisoning.
这三名少年均是跷家子 Well, these three were all I.D.'d as runaways
作为认罪协议的一部分 and referred to the Avenues of Care Halfway House
[已知住址:关怀之路过渡教习所]
曾被县政府送进关怀之路过渡教习所 by the county as part of their plea agreements.
猜猜这间教习所的主管是谁 Guess who the director of the halfway house is.
朱利安·圣地亚哥 Julian Santiago.
她儿子才是弃尸者 The son is the one dumping the bodies.
[工作证] 主管 2005年至今
也许圣地亚哥夫人不是 Maybe Mrs. Santiago isn't
家中唯一一个不肯"放人"的人 the only one in the family who can't let go.
你挺忙的吧 You've been busy.
我们也不太闲 We've been busy, too.
我们都知道 We know all about
你在过渡教习所的工作 your job at the halfway house.
关怀之路 "问题少年的容身所" Avenues of Care-- "A refuge for troubled teens."
我猜那些少年 I guess they didn't know
可不知道自己惹了多大的麻烦 how much trouble they were really in.
马修·普莱斯 Matthew Price--
他还活着的时候 我们跟他父亲聊过 when he was alive, we talked to his father.
他说六个月前他从梅斯基特驱车前往 He said that six months ago he drove up from Mesquite
过渡教习所去接他儿子 to pick his son up at the halfway house.
但当他去到时 But when he got there,
你说他儿子逃跑了 you said that his son ran away.
这类孩子会这样 的确让人惋惜 Well, it's unfortunate for these types of kids,
不过这种事时有发生 but it does happen.
当然了 Sure it does.
马修的父亲说 Matthew's father said
他儿子经常提到一个女孩 his son talked a lot about a girl.
她的名字就是艾丽莎·圣地亚哥 Her name was Alisa Santiago.
他们是在她为教习所做义工时认识的 They met when she volunteered at your halfway house.
我说过我的妹妹有问题 I told you my sister had problems.
我试图用我自救的方法 So I tried to help her the way
来帮助她 就是去帮助他人 I helped myself-- by helping others.
所以 我让她在教习所工作 So yes, I got her a job at the halfway house.
没错 她就是在那认识了马修 Right. Where she met Matthew
和莱恩 and Ryan
还有德里克. and Derrick.
爱情 Love.
是美妙的 It's a beautiful thing.
除非它演变成强迫症 Except when it turns to obsession,
控制欲和暴力 control, violence.
我们跟你教习所的同事谈过 We talked to your coworkers at the halfway house.
他们说艾丽莎很受欢迎 They said Alisa was a very popular girl
而你却不大喜欢 and you didn't like that.
看着小妹与那些男孩鬼混 Must be hard for an older brother
对你这位兄长而言一定很难捱吧 to watch his younger sister mess with all those boys.
我们曾以为这都是你母亲干的 We all thought that your mother did this.
听着 不管你怎么胡思乱想 Look, whatever freaky fantasies you have
你妹和这些男孩的关系 about these young boys and your sister--
我才不在意 I don't care.
我在意的是你干啥要利用一个病妇 What I care about is why you used a sick woman
来掩盖你的罪行 to bury your crimes.
这完全是胡说八道 This is completely insane.
你给我的艾丽莎的联系电话 That cell phone number that you gave me for Alisa--
4个月前就已经停掉了 service was disconnected four months ago.
她有6个月没交房租 She's six months behind on her rent.
她在哪 Where is she?
我需要律师 I want a lawyer.
没血迹 没体液 什么也没有 No blood, no fluids, nothing.
如果艾丽莎是在这间房被杀 If Alisa was killed in this room,
肯定会留有证据的 there'd be evidence of it.
拭样结果呈阴性 Well, these swabs are negative.
圣地亚哥太太清理这个房间 Well, Mrs. Santiago cleaned this room
肯定有原因 for a reason.
据普莱斯考特医生所说 According to Dr. Prescott,
她把艾丽莎的所有物品 she took all of Alisa's belongings,
收入时光宝盒 put them outside here
拿到走廊上放着 in the hallway in these time capsules.
她说这是事出有因的 She said it was triggered by an event.
就圣地亚哥而言 原因只有一个 When it comes to this lady, pick one.
圣地亚哥视家庭为重中之重 Family was the most important thing to Mrs. Santiago.
因此 Which is why,
就算朱利安谋杀亲妹 她也会保护他 if Julian killed his sister, she'd want to protect him.
保护他的最佳方法就是隐匿证据 And the best way to protect him is to hide the evidence.
救一个是一个 It's a two-fer.
一般做母亲的 与孩子更贴心些 Mom gets to keep both children closer to her bosom.
那么 So...
艾丽莎大学毕业的纪念品 Mementos of Alisa's graduation from college.
一件舞衣 A prom dress.
那是什么 What is that?
成人礼的礼服 A quincea?era dress.
我们好像在经历时光倒流 This is like we're going back in time.
这叫退行[心理学机制] It's a regression.
就像她又退回到女儿仍未出生的阶段 Like she's putting her back into the womb.
尼克 Nick.
艾丽莎吗 Alisa?
我是尼克·丝多克斯 I'm Nick Stokes.
就是我和我的搭档找到你的 My partner and I were the ones that found you.
还记得我吗 You remember me?
有力气回答我几个问题吗 You feel up to answering a couple of questions?
我妈在哪 Where's my mom?
她还在羁押中 She's in custody.
为什么 Why?
我们晚点再说她 We'll get to her in a minute.
先聊聊你吧 Let's talk about you first.
能告诉我是谁锁着你的吗 You want to tell me who did this to you?
没关系 It's okay.
没人会对你怎么样的 Nobody's going to mess with you.
你根本不懂 You don't know that.
我可以保护你 I can protect you,
不过我得知道是谁干的 but I need to know who did this.
你怕你哥哥吗 Are you afraid of your brother?
我知道你害怕 Look, I know you're scared,
但现在你可以直说无妨 but you can speak up now.
是你哥干的吗 Is he the one who did this to you?
是我的母亲干的 My mother did this to me.
垃圾也好 尸体也好 我都尚能接受 The garbage, the bodies-- that part I was handling okay.
不过这个 But this...
这也太变态了吧 this is some kind of twisted.
收藏人也算是囤积吗 Is hoarding people part of hoarding?
我的理解是 My understanding of it is that
囤积更像是在自我毁灭 hoarding is more self-destructive.
它对他人的伤害更多的在精神上 The damage inflicted on others is more
而不是肉体上 emotional than it is physical.
你该不会认为两个女儿都被关在这里吧 You don't think both daughters were being held here, do you?
黛安娜无疑有更多的活动自由 Diana certainly seems to have had more freedom of movement.
而艾丽莎和那些男孩 Alisa and the boys...
就另说了 That's another story.
所以传闻是真的 So everything I heard is true.
艾丽莎被关在这多久了 How long was Alisa held here?
证据显示她被关好一阵子了 Well, the evidence indicates that she was here for a while
一直在时光宝盒堆成的墙后受人照料 and that she was cared for behind a wall of time capsules.
要是你认为母亲 If you consider a mom
把女儿铐在床上也算"照料"的话 chaining her daughter to a bed "Caring."
可这说不通啊 Something doesn't add up.
我成功复原了 So I was able to recover
用来铐住艾丽莎的 the serial number from the handcuffs
手铐的序列号 used to restrain Alisa.
查出是本地一间枪械店的货物 Tracked back to a batch order belonging to a local gun shop.
店家把信用卡收据传真给我了 The owner faxed me the credit card receipt.
干得漂亮 Nice work.
格雷格刚确定了铐人者的身份 Well, Greg just I.D.'d our jailer:
是朱利安·圣地亚哥 Julian Santiago.
他买了那副手铐 He purchased the handcuffs.
那又怎样 他有携手铐许可 So what? He also has a carry permit.
他可是管理少年犯的 He works with juvenile offenders.
所有的铁证都指向圣地亚哥太太 All the hard evidence points to Mrs. Santiago.
尼克是想说 What Nick means is that
卧室里只有两个人的指纹 there were two sets of prints in the bedroom.
就是艾丽莎和她母亲 There were Alisa's prints and her mother's prints.
而你从圣地亚哥太太指甲里 And the scrapings that you collected
采集的刮屑也与床边的爽身粉 under Mrs. Santiago's nails were a match to the talcum powder
和润肤液相吻合 所以... and the skin lotion next to the bed, so...
在卧室里的不是朱利安而是圣地亚哥太太 So that puts Mrs. Santiago in the bedroom, not Julian.
好吧 Okay.
可朱利安仍然跟卧室里 But Julian is still our connection
那些死去的男孩脱不了关系 to those dead boys in the bedroom.
也许圣地亚哥太太受制于她儿子 Maybe Mrs. Santiago was being dominated by her son;
她不是出于自愿的 maybe she wasn't acting out of free will.
就这个女人怎么会让你盲目至此 What is it about this woman that has you so blind?
那这个案子又怎么 What is it about this case
让你表现得混蛋至此 that has you acting like such an ass right now?
我现在成混蛋了 Oh, I'm an ass now?
朱利安很有可能 There is a very real possibility
为了让那些男孩远离 that Julian killed those boys
他妹妹而杀害他们 to keep them away from his sister,
并且利用他母亲和房子 and he's using his mother and her house
来掩埋证据 to bury the evidence.
你说得没错 You're absolutely right.
有这个可能 There is that possibility.
我们何不 So why don't we
多关注下手头上的证据呢 stick to the evidence that we have?
可以吗 Can we try that?
好的 Okay.
好的 Fine.
根据证据我们可以假设 So, the evidence that we have suggests
黛安娜·圣地亚哥的死是场意外 that Diana Santiago's murder was an accident.
我们没法证明任一嫌犯是凶手 We can't prove either suspect committed murder.
我们只知道圣地亚哥太太 What we do know is that Mrs. Santiago
错误囚禁了艾丽莎 falsely imprisoned Alisa.
那你想要怎么做呢 So what do you want to do about it?
鉴于朱利安请了律师 Julian lawyered up,
我想我们可以去找他的母亲谈谈 so I guess we can take another look at the mother.
好的 我去和她谈谈 All right. I'll talk to her.
我们接触过 比较好说话 We've spent some time together, we've connected.
我反对你来问话 That's not gonna happen.
我来跟她谈 I'll talk to her.
祝你好运 尼克 Good luck with that, Nick.
怎么了 What?
萨拉 我也试过像你这样 You know, I've been where you've been, Sara.
有时我发现最好的做法是 And sometimes I find it's best to
深呼吸 take a deep breath
然后走开 and walk away.
怎么了 What's up?
圣地亚哥夫人呢 Where's Mrs. Santiago?
她儿子帮她找了个律师 Her son got her a lawyer.
把我们赶尽杀绝啊 That shuts us down.
他们让那些男孩无机可乘 They buried those boys.
现在那个律师又让我们无机可乘 And now that lawyer is trying to bury us.
我们知道他们的法律策略不外乎 We know what there legal strategy's gonna be.
母亲指责儿子 Mom blames son.
儿子指责母亲 Son blames mom.
要是这些都行不通 Yeah, and if all else fails,
就以精神失常为母亲辩护 Mom pleads insanity.
他们只需让陪审团 All they gotta do is send
去屋子看看 她就能脱罪了 a jury through this house, and she walks.
他们在和我们争分夺秒 They'll run the clock down on us.
我们没找到 We never found
砒霜的来源 the source of the arsenic.
那这条红缎带呢 What about this red ribbon?
霍奇斯在上面找不到线索 Hodges didn't recover any trace.
他查了DNA 结果是阴性 He sent swabs to DNA, which came back negative.
他查的是上皮组织吗 Was he looking for epithelials?
真是一语中的 That's a good question.
看来凶手用牙咬断了这些线 Looks like the killer tore these strands with his teeth.
看到断带的边缘没 You see how the edges line up,
线是相互连接的 one strand linking to another?
说明它们来自同一卷缎带 So they're all from the same roll.
也就是说我们所看到的是 Which means we're looking at
凶手的作案时间表 a timeline of the murders.
三名已知身份的男孩中 So, the boys we identified--
第一个是何时失踪的 when did the first victim disappear?
莱恩·霍夫17个月前从教习所失踪 Ryan Hoff went missing from the halfway house 17 months ago.
好的 第二个呢 All right, what about the second boy?
德里克·肯尼迪是10个月前 Derrick Kennedy, ten months ago.
马修·普莱斯则是6个月前 Matthew Price, six months ago.
6个月前 就是凶手最后一次 Six months ago, that's the last time
使用这卷缎带的时候 the killer used this roll of ribbon.
尽管时间流逝 物质分解等因素 So vagaries of time, decomp, and the elements
破坏了行凶所用带子的DNA compromised the DNA on these strands.
但原本那卷可能仍留有证据 But maybe it didn't compromise the source.
我们需要找到那卷缎带 We need to find that roll of ribbon.
这里开始给我家的感觉 是不是很怪 Is it wrong this place is starting to feel like home?
你们能看到房间画面吗 You guys got a picture?
能 我和普莱斯考特医生都在看 Yes, Dr. Prescott and I are with you now.
开始吧 医生 Go ahead, Doctor.
对上一次到这间屋子 The last time I was in the house,
我记得看到过包好的圣诞装饰 I remember seeing Christmas decorations unopened.
堆在梳妆台旁边 Stacked near the dresser.
好的 哪个梳妆台 Okay. Which dresser?
应该位于窗户右侧 靠近床铺 It should be to the right of the window near the bed.
明白 Got it.
这得找到猴年马月 This could take till Christmas.
如果考虑"搅动"因素 应该事半功倍 Not if you take into account "churning."
"搅动"是什么 Churning?
囤积者时不时会把堆放的物品 Over time, a hoarder's stack of items gets
像搅乳那样移来移去 shuffled and shifted around; churned.
我们要如何利用这点 How does this help us?
你们要找的那卷缎带 The roll of ribbon that you're looking for was last used,
大概六个月前用过 what, six months ago?
-是的 -那它上面应该 - That's right. - So you might expect it to be buried
压了六个月的东西 under six months of stuff.
但事实上 它可能已经被搅到 But it may, in fact, have been churned
表面附近了 somewhere closer to the surface.
留意有没有成卷的缎带盒 Look for a reel ribbon box.
玛尔塔喜欢把东西放在原包装里 Marta tends to keep her items in the original packaging.
这有一箱灭鼠药 There's a box of rat poison over here.
这可不能增添圣诞气氛 Not exactly the Christmas spirit.
找到还在原包装里的砷 Arsenic in its original packaging.
丝带所剩不多 Ribbon not so much.
我们找到了你的指纹 We have your fingerprints.
还有你的DNA We have your DNA.
你把这个男孩带进家 You brought this boy into this home!
他不属于这里 他必须离开 He doesn't belong here! He has to go!
我们知道屋子里发生了什么 We know what happened inside that house.
你妈妈的病导致她自困家中 Your mother's illness was hidden behind four walls,
而你的病态则藏于心底 but yours was buried in a much deeper place,
对吗 艾丽莎 wasn't it, Alisa?
你妈妈撞见你 Your mother caught you
把马修·普莱斯的尸体 dragging Matthew Price's body
拖到你的秘密尸骨花园 对吧 out to your little garden of bones, didn't she?
她知道你谋害了这些男孩 She knew what you had done to those boys.
知道你是如何引诱他们 How you lured them and seduced them.
然后将其杀害 Killed them.
最后将其埋葬 Buried them.
她知道她必须阻止你 She knew she had to stop you.
我说过 这都是我妈妈造成的 When I said my mother did this to me,
我没有撒谎 I meant it.
她把爸爸逼死了 She drove my father to his death.
又把朱利安逼走了 Then she drove Julian away.
她把每个人都逼走了 She drove everyone away.
除了那些男孩 Except those boys.
你使她赶不走他们 You made sure of that.
我恨她 I hate her.
但她爱你 Well, she loves you.
她所做都是出于爱 信不信由你 Believe it or not, she acted out of love.
爱我会把我像动物一样锁起来吗 By chaining me up like an animal?
她想保护你不再自我伤害 To protect you from yourself
保护你不被警察发现 and from people like me.
现在我能明白 Now, I understand
我们第一次进屋时 why you didn't cry out
你为什么没有呼救了 when we first entered that house.
我想回家 I want to go home.
恐怕你回不去了 That's not going to happen.
你确定吗 Are you sure about that?
你亲口说过的 You said it yourself.
我有病 I'm sick.
那时我一找到机会 I got out of that house
就逃离了那个家 the first chance I could.
艾丽莎却没那么幸运 Alisa wasn't so lucky.
她陷于妈妈精神狂乱的桎梏中 She was trapped in my mother's insanity.
最后她也成了怪人 It turned her into a monster.
我不明白 I don't know.
我们都是专业人员 We're both professionals, you know.
我们都知道你妹妹的所为 We know that what your sister did
远远不是你妈妈 goes way beyond any damage
对她的伤害造成的 that your mother inflicted on her.
朱利安... Julian...
你妹妹是捕食者人格 your sister is a predator.
你妈妈的病并不是诱发她杀戮的动因 Your mother's illness is not what drove her to kill.
我不很确定 I'm not so sure.
我妈妈就患有精神分裂 My mother was schizophrenic.
有天晚上 One night,
她从抽屉里拿出一把切肉刀 she got a butcher knife out of a drawer.
走进卧室 She walked into the bedroom.
趁我父亲熟睡的时候 And while my father was sleeping,
直刺他的心脏 she stabbed him in the heart.
一刀又一刀 Again and again.
用"一团糟"也绝不足以形容 To say that my childhood was screwed up
我的童年 is an understatement.
但我熬过来了 But I survived it.
正如你也做到了 Just like you did.
你和你妹妹在那个家一起长大 You and your sister grew up together in that house,
却选择了截然不同的人生 and you took two completely different paths.
有时候 会有一些罪行让我们觉得 Sometimes when we're faced with crimes that are so...
难以理解 incomprehensible...
我们想知道原因 We want answers.
我们想相信人性本善 罪必有因 We want to believe that there's some order to things.
但有时却事与愿违 Sometimes there just isn't.
我和地检署还有市府律师谈过了 I spoke to the DA and the city attorney.
如果你母亲愿意接受心理疏导 If your mother agrees to get help,
他们就不起诉她 they won't prosecute.
之后的事 What happens after that...
就要看你和你母亲的了 that's up to you and your mother.
还在绞尽脑汁呐 I can see your wheels turning.
在想什么呢[西班牙语] En qu piensas?
还在想什么呢 尼克 What's on your mind, Nick?
我还是不懂 I still don't get it.
是不懂囤积癖还是它的病理原因 The clutter or the pathology?
都不懂 Both.
哲学家爱利希·弗罗姆 The philosopher Erich Fromm,
预言将来的社会 he forecast a, uh, society
将为占有欲所支配 that was obsessed with possessions.
他认为人类有 He believed that human beings had
两种基本倾向 two basic orientations:
即"占有"和"存在" having and being.
倾向于"占有"的人孜孜不倦地寻求获得 Now, a person with a having orientation seeks to acquire
并占有物品 财产 甚至是他人 and possess things, property, even people.
而倾向于"存在"的人 But a person with a being orientation
则更注重体验 focuses on the experience.
他们经由与他人的交流 亲身经历 They derive meaning from exchanging,
以及分享来获得人生意义 engaging and sharing with other people.
这听起来才是正确的人生观 Sounds like the right way to be.
遗憾的是 弗洛姆还预言 Unfortunately, Fromm also predicted
受重商主义主导的社会文化 that a culture driven by commercialism,
就像当今社会 like the one we live in today,
注定要被"占有"倾向所支配 is doomed to the having orientation.
这就会导致人产生不满足感和空虚感 Which leads to dissatisfaction and emptiness.
想想在1960年时 When you consider that, in 1960,
美国根本还没有公共储存设施 there was no such thing as public storage in America,
但现在却有二十亿土地挪作此用 today there's over two billion square feet dedicated to it,
这让人不得不信服弗洛姆的观点 makes you think he had a point.
照这么说 都是社会的错了 So, society's to blame, is that it?
关键是 总会有像圣地亚哥女士这样 The point is there's always going to be extremes
走极端的人 like Mrs. Santiago.
物品不能代表所有 Things don't have to mean everything,
但也不能因此就说它们毫无意义 nor do they have to be devoid of meaning.
它们只是我们体验和 They are one of the ways in which
享受人生的一种媒介 we can experience and enjoy life.
只要它们不妨碍我们的生活 As long as they don't get in the way of living.
你的东西 Here you go.
谢谢 Thank you.
现在你能送我回家了吗 Will you be taking me home now?
不是由我 而是由你儿子送你回家 Actually, you'll be going with your son.
这样也许最好不过了 I guess it's for the best.
我原是想成为一个好母亲的 I tried to be a good mother.
我知道 I know.
我正准备走了 看到你的灯亮着 I was heading out, I, uh, saw your light on.
你看 这桩案子迫使我 Well, you know, this case has compelled me to, uh,
把桌子彻底收拾干净 clean out this desk once and for all.
进展如何 How's that going?
不错啊 很不错 Oh, pretty good, pretty good.
我差点把葛瑞森给我的东西都扔了 You know, I almost threw out something Grissom gave me.
就是这个 Ah, yeah.
蓝色弹球 Blue marble.
你知道他给我的时候跟我说了什么吗 You know what he said when he gave that to me?
一定又是些意味深长的话 Something profound, I'm sure.
他对我说"尼克 He said, "Nicky...
如果生活脱轨了" if life ever gets crazy..."
"坦然接受吧" "Roll with it."
他也给了我一个一样的 He gave me the same marble.
你应该好好存着 You should hold onto that.
我会的 Yeah, right.