伙计 你知道 谁说你需要买把吉他？ Man, you know, who says you need to buy a guitar?
就像一件雕塑 木漆美妙的曲线 It's like a piece of sculpture. Wonderful span of wood varnish.
散发着香味 就像一个女人 知道吗 The whole aroma of it. Like a woman, you know?
你可以把它当女人去爱抚 You can caress it like a woman.
每个元素 木材、漆料 Every element, the wood, the finish,
各个方面都体现在音色当中 and all the different aspects are there in the sound.
电流传送 外形 振幅 能量 Electric conveys, like, amplification, energy.
都是我身体的一部分 It's all part and parcel of who I am,
演奏电吉他 和它融为一体 is playing the electric guitar and bonding with it.
2008年1月23日 三位音乐家走到一起讨论一个话题：电吉他
这很有意思 It's gonna be very interesting.
非常有意思 It's gonna be very interesting
因为都是个性鲜明强烈的吉他手 because both are really, really strong character guitarists.
无论是白色条纹还是齐柏林飞艇 Both White Stripes and Zeppelin
都有能力去做一些属于他们自己的作品 个性十足 were able to do something that was their own, was unique,
匠心独具 and had never been done before.
我们三个凑在一起会发生什么？ When the three of us get together, what's gonna happen?
可能会打起来 Probably a fistfight.
这把吉他很有灵性 There's a lot of soul in this guitar.
每当jack演奏它 这把吉他就会变得狂野 When Jack plays it, it just goes wild.
这是edge主要的...主要的家伙 是整个系统的核心 This is Edge's main... His main enchilada. This is the brain of the system.
看他将各种效果叠加在一起很有意思 It's going to be interesting to see him layering his effects.
他可以说是一位声音工程师 He's known to be a sort of sonic architect.
我打算骗骗这两个人 我就是这么想的 I plan to trick both of these guys. That's basically what I'm gonna do.
骗他们把绝招传给我 Trick them into teaching me all their tricks.
我们过去聊天 We're going there to have a chat.
话题恰巧是乐器 But it just so happens that the instruments
总需要有个先后顺序吧 谁知道 are sort of there as well, so who knows?
- 这是什么 edge - 这是一种...瑜珈 - What's this, Edge? - It's a little... It's a form of yoga.
这种瑜伽方式发源于威尔士 It actually was devised in Wales.
我们叫它daboke It's called Daboke.
你...你拿个黑莓做什么？ Are you... What's the BlackBerry to do with it?
这是我的一个小创意 It's just a little adaptation I've made
这样能更好地利用时间 just to make better use of time.
Sting也干这个吗 Does Sting do this?
他不做daboke 他做别的瑜珈 He doesn't do Daboke, he does some other kind of yoga.
对于一个电吉他音色 硬件能够发挥到何种程度？ I'm very interested in what hardware can do
这个问题我非常感兴趣 to an electric guitar sound.
我喜欢效果器 I love effects units.
因为它推动着音乐向前进步 They've always pushed music forward.
当他按下一个钮... When he pushes a button...
那个按钮就连到了那个效果单元 明白了吗 Let's say that button addresses that unit, you know?
这个按钮连到那个效果单元 This button addresses that unit.
他很少 And it's very rarely
把同一个音色反复用在很多首歌当中 that he will use the same sound ever again in 20, 23 songs.
由于每首歌音色输出不同 电吉他音色设置 The guitars are set per song
也会不一样 有所区别 with their output levels.
对应相应的歌曲 寻找相应的音色 They're dedicated for that song and that guitar level is...
他调整效果器来让电吉他的音色达到一些特殊效果 He sets his effects to receive that guitar level in a particular way.
我让每个人疯狂 I drive everyone crazy.
为了得到一个音色我让我自己完全疯狂 I drive myself totally crazy, trying to get the sound
让音箱发出我脑海中想象的音色 that I can hear in my head to come out of the speakers.
这是我的声音 音箱发出的就是我的声音 It's my voice, that is my voice, what's coming out of the speaker.
不太好 That'd be wicked.
打开tc Take out the TC.
科技是情感和真理的破坏者 Technology is a big destroyer of emotion and truth.
投机取巧对创造力提升没有任何意义 Opportunity doesn't do anything for creativity.
是的 科技让一切变得更简单 能让你更快些回家 Yeah, it makes it easier, and you can get home sooner,
但它不会让你成为一个更具创造力的人 but it doesn't make you a more creative person.
在任何创意领域 现代科技所带来的各种便利 That's the disease you have to fight in any creative field.
都是你需要战胜的顽疾 Ease of use.
就这样 唱出来 All right, sing it.
对 就这样 Yeah, that's it.
那是在80年代末 在我进入青春期的时候 By the time I'm getting into teenage years, like, late '80s and things like that,
我不记得很多摇滚乐队 I don't remember that many rock 'n' roll bands
在当时有多受欢迎 being around that were that popular.
音乐界很多东西都变了 Things were changing so much in music.
科技来的太快 The technology was taking over so much.
这些所谓现代技术分散了人们的注意力 Technology was heavily distracting everybody.
我的意思是 过去人们愿意花几周的时间 只为得到一个完美的小鼓音色 I mean, people started spending weeks trying to get the perfect snare drum
或者一个门混响声的特别音色 and gated reverb sound.
是的 就这样！ That's right. That's right.
太矫揉造作了 一点也不真实 So processed, it wasn't real at all anymore.
达到高潮 Just go up top.
如果你想吸引女孩们的注意 If you really want to get girls to pay attention
像这样踢这把椅子... kick that chair out like...
因为音箱的放大率和质地都不尽相同 Because of the amplification and the tactile quality of it,
你能够从中听到和感受到每个吉他手的独特个性 you can hear the very, sort of, characteristics of each player.
人们试图超越极限 发展新的技术 People have just tried to stretch the limits, come up with new techniques.
总是有人带来一些的技术 There's always something new that other people are bringing to the table
这些技术让人确实难以忽视 that is to be reckoned with very seriously.
力量变化 Dynamics,
明暗 light and shade,
低吟到轰鸣 whisper to the thunder,
一种代入感 让你欣喜若狂 sort of invite you in, sort of intoxicating.
最让我为之沉醉着迷的东西 Well, the thing that fascinates me about it,
就是吉他 无可取代 and always has about the six strings, no one has ever approached...
他们用不同的方式演奏 这是他们的个性流露 They all play in a different way and, you know, their personality comes through.
当我 作为一个曲作者和演奏者的时候 During my time as a songwriter and performer,
我认为吉他是 I've kind of watched and felt that I was seeing the end of the guitar
流行音乐的一个关注焦点 as a kind of focus for popular music.
尽管每次我都刻意回避 And yet every time I think it's kind of counted out,
但它总会在一些时刻发出光芒 it flares up somewhere else.
我让吉他 琴颈稍微弯曲 I keep guitars that are, you know... The neck's a little bit bent,
这样就会有些走调 然后我试图解决它 战胜它 and it's a little bit out of tune, and I want to work and battle it
征服它并且让它表达 我此时此刻的态度 and conquer it and make it express whatever attitude I have at that moment.
我想让它成为一种战斗 I want it to be a struggle.
我也不清楚这些都是什么 但是... I have no idea what these are, but...
我早期的小样就像苍白的素描 远远称不上充实 My early demos were real sketches. They weren't fully fleshed out.
这个结尾很有意思 That's interesting. That ended up...
音乐告诉我们 这首歌的方向 It's the music that tells us the direction the song should go.
作为曲作者 我们从一种感觉开始 一切都跟着感觉走 As writers, we start with the feeling and everything follows from that.
这些吉他旋律保留到了最终版本中 These guitar parts ended up in the final version,
所以这可能是一种探索 so this could be discovering, you know,
你听到的这些和弦的特殊音色 those particular voicings of the chords and what have you.
四 五 六 Four, five, six.
实际上bono喊出了节拍 Bono's actually calling out the timing.
有意思 That's funny.
四 五 六 Four, five, six.
因为第一部分用的是不同的拍子 'Cause the first section's in a different time signature,
所以反复使用两种节拍 可以给人许多联想 so it was a little bit of a head trip to go between the two.
1 2 3 4 5 6 ...1 One, two, three, four, five, six. One...
你可以用不同方式数节拍 But you can count it in different ways.
...6. 1 2 3 4 5 6 ...six. One, two, three, four, five, six.
1 2 3 4 5 6 One, two, three, four, five, six.
你也可以数1 2 3 1 2 3 Or you can go, one, two, three, one, two, three.
就像华尔兹的节拍 It's like a waltz beat.
1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 One, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three.
当你开始处理这些音色 你就开始走进一条胡同 When you start to treat the sound, you start to invoke locations.
每当我工作的时候 我就经常想 "到哪儿了?" As I'm working, I'm often thinking about, "Where is this?"
到什么地方了 Where is this location?
当我住在这的时候 那边是科研区 Wow, there was a whole science block there when I was living here.
真是不可思议 That's amazing.
我们在那边的一小块平地上演奏 We played on a kind of flat area over there with,
我们的表演免费 不要票 I wouldn't say a paying audience...
我们都到这上面 We all got up here.
Larry当然在后边 Larry was back here obviously
我想我当时在这边 and I think I was on this side.
- 你在那儿 - 对 我在这边 没错 - You were there? - Yeah, I was this side, yeah.
其实 从那以后我就一直这样 Actually, and have been ever since.
这是当时我们用来排练的场所 This was where we used to rehearse.
现在 对我们来说这里是 最初的起点 你知道 Now, this is really the very, very beginning for us, you know.
这是麦肯锡先生的房间 他对我们很好 So, this was Mr. McKenzie's room, and he was very nice to us.
排练前要先用10分钟 搬开这些课桌椅 So, rehearsal was 10 minutes of clearing away desks and chairs,
然后花上一个小时 and then an hour of
看我们能不能合到一起 seeing if we could get anything together.
现在看来 当时我们没人真正会演奏 真的 None of us could play at this point, really.
有一段时间 我们来到这里 并试着演奏完整一首歌 For a while, we would come and we would try and go through songs,
但是我们的表现很糟糕 真的非常糟糕 and it was really bad. Like, really, really bad.
刚刚开始的时候激情就是动力 尽管你做得很差 The thrill was just being able to do it even if you did it badly.
Hello Hello.
我们很担心骄傲自满 We're always worried about being satisfied.
当你变的自满 你就丧失了灵魂 When you become satisfied, it's sort of like you just die.
我的名字是Jack White 这是我姐姐, Meg White, 鼓手 My name is Jack White, and this is my big sister, Meg White, on the drums.
感谢您让我们来到您的家中 真心感谢 Thank you for letting us into your home. We really appreciate it.
对一把只有3根弦而不是6根弦的吉他 我能做什么呢 What can I do with three strings on a guitar instead of six?
我用三步解决 It takes me three steps to get over
在歌曲中间演奏风琴 算作第四步 to play the organ in the middle of this song. Put it four steps away,
然后我要弹得更快 推动自己努力解决 then I'll have to run faster and I'll push myself harder to get to it.
Meg 和我根本不会讨论 第一首歌会是什么 Meg and I don't even talk about what the first song's gonna be.
我们只是走上台演奏 We just go out and play.
快速思考问题 快速考虑想到的问题 Think of something fast, hurry up and think of something,
因为这些人想要看演出 because these guys want a show.
人们知道什么是假的 People know when something's fake
他们知道什么是事先排练好的 and they know when something's rehashed and rehearsed.
他们能听出你在每首歌之间讲的是同一个笑话 They know when you're telling the same joke between songs
而你前一天晚上在别的地方也讲过 that you told in Poughkeepsie last night.
他们能够察觉 They can smell it.
我弹的吉他很旧 塑料吉他 I play really old guitars, plastic guitars.
如果你图便利 干脆就去买一把新的les paul If you want it easy you buy a brand-new Les Paul
或者新的stratocaster or a brand-new Stratocaster.
这是我在White Stripe将近10年的演出里 And this is my main guitar that I played live
主要用的吉他 for my 10 years in the White Stripes.
它就是一块空心塑料 It's a hollow piece of plastic.
你在Montgomery Ward商店买的它 And you got this at Montgomery Ward's department store.
Sears卖Silvertones Montgomery Ward卖Airline Sears sold Silvertones and Montgomery Ward sold Airlines.
我来给你演示 Jack 你这样放 然后... I want to show you, Jack, what the... If you just take this and...
对 就这样 跟它打架 Yeah, that's it. Pick a fight with it.
这就是你要做的 跟它打一架 然后赢了他 That's what you gotta do. Pick a fight with it and win the fight.
他在学 He's learning.
很高兴向你们介绍Led Zeppelin(齐柏林飞艇) I'd like to introduce Led Zeppelin to you.
贝斯手 John Paul Jones 这就是 John Paul Jones On bass guitar, John Paul Jones. This is John Paul Jones.
鼓手John Bonham On drums, John Bonham.
主音吉他 Jimmy Page Lead guitar, Jimmy Page.
我 Robert Plant And myself, Robert Plant.
我们在一起演奏感到很自在 We were so comfortable playing with each other
无拘无束 that we could take it in any direction.
乐队的四个成员 加上我们的第五元素： The four members of the band had taken on this sort of fifth element.
——热情, 坦率和能力 Passion, honesty and competence.
绝对是天堂般的享受 Absolute musical heaven.
哇 Wow.
这勾起我很多回忆 Boy, oh, boy, this brings back some memories.
对 这里是...直走 走到门厅 Yeah, this is... Well, come straight into the entrance hall
这里是门厅 当年鼓就是放在这里 and this is the hall where the drums were set up
Levee Breaks 是在这录的 and where Levee Breaks was recorded.
我们曾经在这房间里录过音 We had been recording in this room here.
Bonzo订了一套新鼓件 Bonzo had ordered a new drum kit.
他的技术人员和领队 就是把这些鼓摆在大厅里 His tech, you know, his road manager, had set it up in the hall.
Bonzo来了之后 他在这儿开始演奏 And when Bonzo came out, he started playing it in this thing,
空间很大 and it was this huge expanse.
你会听见鼓声从墙上反射回来 You're getting the drums reflecting off of the walls,
对演奏架子鼓来说 这里是理想环境 you know, this wonderful ambience to the drums.
是的 你能听到回声 Yeah, you can hear the reflective surfaces.
仿佛身临其境 You know, it's really live and ambient.
当时我们还有一辆录音车 停在外面 We had a recording truck parked on the outside here.
你需要从他们的电缆那里 拉线过来 And you'd be running the wires from their cables
麦克风接线 一直拉到屋里 with the mic leads, running them into the house.
麦克摆在这儿 在扶梯上 The mics were put up here over the banisters here.
那时候 鼓手拥有一个小空间 In those days, the drummer would be in a little booth
所以鼓声整体听上去 非常有压迫感 so the drums were just totally, you know, crushed.
确实很前卫 This was quite radical.
从那以后你就能听说其他的鼓手 After this you heard of other, you know, drummers
和乐队也开始寻找楼梯间之类的场所来录音 and bands looking for lift shafts and things to record in,
来达到那种高度 你能明白吧 to get the height, you see.
我们在这里录制过三张专辑 We'd done three albums that were recorded in the studio.
这也算是一个成就 And this was another approach.
在孩提时代,我就认为音乐中表达的 As a kid, what was going on in the music
与语言和文字所表达的 同样重要 was as important to me as what was going on vocally and lyrically,
一直就是如此 and it always was.
只有家长里短和葡萄藤 Just word of mouth and grapevines.
与世隔绝 Isolation.
我们搬家之后 吉他就摆在那里 放在后面 We moved house and the guitar was there, left behind.
吉他就像一个家庭成员 It was one of these, sort of,
吉他来到我的家 这种感觉有些古怪 weird interventions of the guitar into our family.
就像是一种装饰品 放在屋子后面 It was just like a sort of ornament left behind at the house.
那些会弹吉他的人 都喜欢弹英国噪音爵士 For anyone who could play guitars, they all played skiffle.
在当时 那是一种社区项目 That was the sort of community project at the time.
一整个队伍用吉他和搓板演奏 Played on massive guitars and washboards.
地方特色 Local cuisine.
非常非常英国 这就是“准摇滚” Very, very English. Pre-rock this is.
我们都曾从这种风格断奶 We all weaned on that music.
它就像是哺育摇滚乐的乳汁 It was like a sort of rock 'n' roll breastfeeding of it.
有一天我上学 听到了这个 I went to school one day after hearing this stuff
当时在电视上 看过 Lonnie Donegan and seeing Lonnie Donegan on the television.
有个家伙居然拿着一把吉他 在演奏 Rock Island Line This guy actually had a guitar and he was playing Rock Island Line.
当时我就, "哇" It was like, "Wow."
我说, "我家里也有这东西" And I said, "I've got one of those at home."
然后他说 "把它带过来 我告诉你怎样调弦 " And he said, "Bring it along and I'll show you how to tune it."
就是这样简单 我开始了演奏 Well, that was more accessible to be able to start to play.
对啊 你可以组一个乐队 很容易. Right, you could put a band together pretty easily.
我的意思是 你可以学一个和弦 然后一整天的在那儿扫弦 I mean, you could get to know one chord and just strum it all day
开心一整天 哈哈 and be having a great time, you know.
我们是地方一个小乐队 到处演出 We were a little local band and we were playing around
校园舞蹈 最没意思的那种 school dances, and not even the slightest,
但我们不放过任何细微的因素 说不定就会让演出像模像样 mildest consideration that that would go into something.
从进入青春期的那一刻 就没有别的事情比这个更带劲—— There wasn't this driving thing, that the minute you hit your teens,
——你要出名了 you gotta be famous.
你们俩叫什么？你呢？ What are your two names? Yours is?
- James Page 和... - David Houston. - James Page and... - David Houston.
你们刚学会弹吉他？ And you're just learning to play the guitar?
- 对 从一个老师那儿 - 从一个老师那儿 - Yes, from a teacher. - From a teacher.
除了噪音爵士 还会弹别的吗？ Do you play anything except skiffle?
会 西班牙舞曲 Yes, Spanish and dance.
是吗? 毕业之后你们会做什么呢？ Do you? What are you gonna do when you leave school?
表演噪音爵士？ Take up skiffle?
不 我不想 我想研究生物学 No, I want to do, well, biological research.
在七十年代中期 都柏林经济形势严峻(都柏林: U2祖国爱尔兰的首都) Dublin in the mid-'70s was really economically very challenged.
国家经济死气沉沉一片糟糕 The economy was in the toilet.
没人相信 事情能有所改观 We just didn't believe that anything could change.
世界不止如此 There has to be more than this.
这里赋予我们的不仅仅只有萧条 This is not the only thing that is on offer here.
你想知道 你多么想弹吉他 You want to figure out how you want to play guitar,
你应该从事什么职业 what your niche will be.
你开始深入挖掘 You just start digging deeper.
当你挖掘的越来越深的时候 你发现了摇滚乐 When you're digging deeper into rock 'n' roll,
从这时起 你就如同坐上了一架列车 直通布鲁斯 well, you're on a freight train headed straight for the blues.
30年代 这些布鲁斯有些糟糕 1930s, really scary version of the blues.
如果你回过头 去听一些当时的歌曲 If you go back and listen to some of these songs,
你真的不会相信 它们竟然被记录了下来 I mean, you can't really believe that they were even recorded to wax.
Robert Johnson.《黑暗的夜晚》 Robert Johnson. Dark Was the Night.
Blind Willie Johnson Blind Willie Johnson.
"我向她要水, 她给了我汽油" "I asked her for water, she gave me gasoline."
小调, 反权威 Minor key, anti the establishment.
自省 Questioning themselves.
痛苦 Painful.
在他们的音乐中 你可以感到一丝不安 There's a tension in that music that you can feel.
感觉就像是有一个地方 It just feels like there's this place where, you know,
——我灵魂停留的地方 这些人用音乐表达了出来 my soul rests and those guys were expressing it.
圣经中 上帝诅咒了大地 In the Bible, God cursed the ground,
所以人们注定要一直 辛勤工作 so that the man will always be... Will have to work hard.
无论你是农民还是木匠 或者是吉他手 无论是什么 Whether you're a farmer, or a carpenter, or a guitar player, or whatever it is,
你都需要跟这些人造物品打交道 you have to fight these man-made materials.
15分钟的吉他Solo Fifteen-minute guitar solos,
15分钟的键盘Solo或者鼓Solo 15-minute organ solos or the drum solos.
都是一种放纵自我的方式 There was a huge element of self-indulgence.
职业摇滚乐手 鄙视他们的听众 Professional rock musicians who looked down upon their fans.
这些已是昨日黄花 我们再也不需要 Those old colors were dead, and we wanted none of it.
这是我看的一部Spinal Tap的电影 Spinal Tap, that's a movie that I watched.
我没笑 我哭了 它太过现实 I didn't laugh, I wept. It was so close to the truth.
音乐在当时还处在探索阶段 Music really was searching at that moment.
当我还是孩子的时候 歌曲中带吉他的 我都想听 I'd listen to anything with a guitar on it when I was a kid, you know...
嗯 Yeah.
...各种各样的手法和回声来演奏 ...that was being played, and all those different approaches and the echoes,
但当我第一次听到the Rumble时 就像是... but the first time I heard the Rumble, it was like...
就像是一种十分高深的东西 包含着深刻的态度 That was something that had so much profound attitude to it.
- 对 确实是 - 确实 - Yeah, it really does. - It really does.
他开始给他的放大器 增加一些颤音 Now he's starting to increase a vibrato on his amplifier.
你听... 变得更紧 You hear... And it gets more intense.
当时我每天的大部分时间 都用来听这些唱片 Most of my day was spent going through these records,
听那些音色 listening to sounds,
然后用吉他弹出那些音色 or playing guitar with the sounds.
我被那些演奏者深深吸引 I was pulled in through those speakers.
多么美妙的吉他演奏 This wonderful guitar playing.
牢牢吸引着我 Got to get to grips with that.
只有两个人 一个贝斯 Just two people, bass.
回去看看你能不能弹 Go home and see if you can play it.
过去我每天都在拜访 我的这些老朋友(唱片) All these old friends that I used to visit on a daily,
几乎每个小时 甚至每一分钟 almost hourly, almost a per-minute basis.
OK.一秒之后噪起来 Okay. Might get loud for a second.
当我们还是孩子的时候 我们对周围的一切都想去尝试 As kids, we were so experimental with whatever was around.
把东西拆来拆去 Taking stuff apart,
我们总是笨手笨脚 把周围弄得一团糟 we were always tinkering, always messing around.
我们做了一把吉他 我哥哥那时16岁 我14岁 We built a guitar when my brother was 16. I was 14.
找图纸手工切割磁石 用来做拾音器 Literally hand-wound the magnets to make the pickups.
每一个细小的部件 Every little component.
从Barry O'Connell的 父母那儿弄来木头 Got wood from Barry O'Connell's parents' place.
手工刻琴颈 手工刻琴体 Hand-carved the neck, hand-carved the body,
锯出凹槽, 放入品丝 sawed the grooves, put the fret wire in,
各个部分 合为一体 every aspect, and put it together.
这吉他并非最好的 I mean, it wasn't the best guitar that's ever been made,
但它很实用 but it functioned.
从来没想过要弹吉他 Never wanted to play guitar, ever.
每个人都在弹 Everyone plays guitar.
有什么意义呢？ What's the point?
我是10个孩子里面最小的 各种玩具到处都是 I'm the youngest of 10 kids, and there was just stuff around.
显微镜 电动工具 A microscope, a power tool.
当你出生在有10个孩子的家庭里 When you're in a family of 10 kids,
你可以一整天都在分享 I mean, it's just a given. You're gonna be sharing all day long.
给我衣服 给我玩具 Hand-me-down clothes, hand-me-down toys.
兴趣各不相同 每个人都在忙碌 Different interests, and everyone's in and out all the time.
有人走着去上班 有人去赶公车 Some people are walking to work, some people are taking the bus.
竞争 为了生存 Competition, fighting for food.
你超越每一个人 你努力奋斗 You push each other over. You muscle your way into situations.
我的兄弟们 他们当中许多都是乐手 My brothers, a bunch of them were musicians,
贝斯手 键盘手 吉他手 bass, keyboards, played guitar.
我很喜欢打鼓 每天跟着录音演奏 I got really into drumming, playing along with the records.
很小的时候 那些节拍就进入到我的脑海 Those rhythms got into me early.
我100%心思都用去 关注音乐和节拍 100% only caring about music and rhythm.
我有一个7X7英尺的卧室 真的很小 I had a bedroom that was about seven by seven feet, really small.
那儿有我收集的许多破烂玩意 There was so much junk I had collected.
有我的两套鼓 I had two drum sets in there,
一个吉他音箱 一台双轴磁带机 没有床 a guitar amplifier and a reel-to-reel and no bed.
我把床搬了出去 I took the bed out.
我睡在一块海绵垫上 头冲着门 I slept on a piece of foam on an angle by the door.
我们的出发点 十分明确 The thing that we started out with is a clear idea
我们不想听上去千篇一律 of what we did not want to sound like.
最好的摇滚乐和流行乐！ 欢迎收看本周的Top of the Pops！ Time to bop with the best in rock and pop on this week's Top of the Pops!
Top of the Pops 是 风靡了很长一段时间的电视秀节目 Top of the Pops was this longstanding pop TV show.
大多数都很乏味 Most of it was pretty anemic.
如果10期节目中能有一期很酷 就算很走运了 If one out of the 10 items on the show was cool, you were lucky.
那是当时我们能看到的 唯一的现场音乐 That was the only live music that we could get to see.
本期的Top of the Pops节目中 他们将首次登台亮相 Making their debut on this week's Top of the Pops,
the Jam乐队来了！ here's The Jam and an effervescent new 45.
1 2 3 4 One, two, three, four!
就像是有人 触动了炸弹的引信 It was like somebodyjust lit the touch paper on this bomb.
十分出乎意料 我从来没见过这些东西 So unexpected. I'd never seen anything like it.
一个崭新的希望 崭新的开始 And a hope for a new beginning.
像是打开了一个开关 It was like a switch went on.
只要坚信我们想要做的一切 If we believed fully in what we were about,
那么实际上你演奏的好坏 就显得不那么重要 that actually was far more important than how well you could play.
对我们来说 作为一个乐手的局限 根本不是问题 Our limitations as musicians were ultimately not gonna be a problem.
我当时想“我能行” I was like, "I can do that."
很实在 Total commitment,
有话直说 想说就说 getting across what you wanted to say in as straightforward a way as possible.
我开始为那种音色发明了几个和弦 I started inventing chords to get that sound,
那种连绵不断的音色 that kind of ringing sound.
多数人这么弹E和弦 Most people play E like this.
一种饱满 丰富的音色 Full of a sort of rich, complex tone,
综合了大调和弦中的所有要素 which is a combination of all the major elements of the chord.
我总是想简化它 让它听上去更纯净 I always wanted to simplify it and make it more pure,
我找到了弹奏这些和弦的方法 但需要去除一些特定的音 and so I found ways of playing those chords where I'd eliminate certain notes.
这样声音就更加简洁 So there's a more clear sound.
你多听几遍... 跟这个不一样... You probably hear it more... As opposed to...
真正将它简化到极致 Really paring it down to the absolute bare minimum.
因为它十分简单 所以你可以弹得十分响亮 When it's so simple, you can turn it up really loud
更富有侵略性 and it's got more aggression.
然后直接是C和弦 Is it right to the C?
- 不 其实我是想... - 不能吧 - No, actually, what I meant is... - It can't be.
对 Yeah.
推向高潮 And then up to the hook.
- 很好 - 那个C和弦你确定吗 - Right. - Are you sure about that C?
- Okay - 听上去不错 对吧 - Okay. - That sounds good, doesn't it?
听着很棒 很噪 对 Sounds great, guys. Roaring, yeah.
朋克摇滚虚无主义 Punk-rock nihilism.
- 这人还有点儿朋克 - 我认为他保留了一点朋克 - There's a bit of the punk rock in this man. - I think there's some punk left in there.
扭曲 愤怒 Distortion, anger,
——朋克精神 the punk ideal.
就像有人受了欺负一般, 像我们在高中的时候 Guys or someone maybe who got picked on, like a lot of us did, in high school.
这是一个机会 我可以把你打倒在地 This is our chance to, you know, push you down now.
底特律西南, 一个条件艰苦的小镇 Southwest Detroit, a tough town.
人们蜂拥而至来谋生计 It puts up with a lot and keeps going.
在80年代只有少数几个白人家庭 留在这儿 There was very few white families left in the '80s.
我们一家人咬紧牙关 My family had a stiff upper lip.
我们没有离开这里 不象有的人早就逃之夭夭 Well, we're not leaving. We're not running away like everybody else.
我的邻居都是墨西哥人 人们称这里是“墨西哥镇” I lived in an all-Mexican neighborhood. Mexican Town, it's called.
在那地方 弹吉他一点儿也不酷 It was uncool to play guitar.
玩乐器是 To play an instrument was
你能做的最尴尬的事情 the most embarrassing thing you could probably make up.
每个人都喜欢听 Hip Hop和house But hip hop and house music, that's what everyone wanted to hear.
DJ和说唱歌手 DJs and rappers.
真的 玩乐器一点儿也不牛逼 It was very uncool to actually play an instrument.
没有音像店 没有琴行 There was no record store, no guitar shop.
没人喜欢摇滚乐和布鲁斯 Nobody liked rock 'n' roll or blues music.
15岁的时候 我经常弹琴 我弹得已经相当不错 By the time I'm 15, I'm playing more and I'm pretty reasonably accomplished.
流行音乐是垃圾 我们是不会去演奏垃圾的 Pop music was rubbish, so we weren't gonna be playing that.
我们弹奏一些布鲁斯音乐 Chess公司曲目表上的那些歌 Playing blues music, music of the Chess catalog,
拒绝跟风 not going with the flow.
我们策划冬季演出, 劲爆登场 呆在篷车后面 Planning winter gigs, coming out hot, getting in the back of the van.
篷车里面没有暖气 There's not proper heating in the van.
我想, "真够无聊的" I thought, "This is getting really tiresome."
睡在篷车后面的设备上 Sleeping on the equipment in the back of the van,
驶向下一个演出地 driving to the next gig.
生病 患上重感冒 Getting ill, heavy bouts of influenza.
我想 就像用你的头去撞墙一样 I just thought, it's like beating your head against a wall here.
我当时说... And I figured that it was...
还是退出吧 Best thing to do at that point was actually retire.
然后我上了一个艺术学院 So I went to art college.
随心所欲的弹吉他 Just as much as I wanted to play guitar,
我一直想成为一个艺术家 I also wanted to be an artist.
一直以来都有这样一个心愿 It had always been something in me.
我想了解油画和人体素描的技巧 I wanted to know the techniques of oil painting, life drawing,
平面设计 雕塑 还有 graphic design, sculpture
那些艺术大师们用过的技巧 and the techniques used by the old masters.
我年轻的时候 曾在很多人手下当学徒 You know, I apprenticed out to a lot of people when I was younger.
我十几岁的时候 在一个室内装修公司当学徒 I was an apprentice in an upholstery shop when I was a teenager.
Brian Muldoon是装修公司的老板 Brian Muldoon was the master of the upholstery shop
他曾经教过我几手 他打鼓 and he was the one teaching me, and he played drums.
然后我开始弹吉他 Well, I guess I'll play guitar then.
当我们完成了一天的工作 So when we were done with our workday
我们就挪开沙发 布置好然后在店里演奏 we'd move the couches over, and set up and play in the shop.
冲浪乐和摇滚山歌, Dick Dale 我们贪婪地吸收一切 Surf and rockabilly, Dick Dale, and trying to absorb everything.
他接我放学 He'd pick me up from school.
我开始拆那些家具 I'd start tearing down the furniture,
从旧椅子上扯下布和棉花 ripping off fabric and cotton off of old chairs,
用布条在海棉上粘出一个奇怪的曲线 gluing fabric to foam on weird curves,
扯下所有旧布条 tearing off all of the old fabric.
你能想象到的东西 都在沙发里面 You can imagine all the stuff that's inside of a couch.
M&M'豆 玉米 孩子的玩具 M&M'S, cereal, and babies' toys.
在这里缝一个布边 Here's how you sew a welt cord,
或者在木板后面 缝一个布条 or here's how you sew a fly strip on the back of a decking.
他向我展示了朋克乐 He exposed me to punk music.
The Velvet Underground, The Cramps The Velvet Underground, The Cramps.
让我当他手下的伙计 然后跟他一起玩音乐 Really took me under his wing to be an employee and to play music together.
我开始写歌 我们组成了一个乐队 And then I started writing songs. We kind of became a band.
我们要去录唱片 我们叫这个乐队The Upholsterers (家具商人) We got to put out a record and we called it The Upholsterers.
这首歌叫 Froggy Went a-Courting So, this song is Froggy Went a-Courting,
那首民谣 Froggy Went a-Courting you know, the folk song, Froggy Went a-Courting.
但我从来没听说这首歌还能这么唱 But I'd never heard it like this before though.
首先进来的是鼓手,然后是我 I was really into the drummer first off, I...
嗯 对 Oh, yeah.
听 在这儿 在这儿我开始失控 And this right here, it blew my mind here.
The Flat Duo Jets 北卡罗来纳的二人乐队 The Flat Duo Jets, two-piece band from North Carolina.
吉他 鼓和主唱 就像我和Meg Guitar, drums and vocals, just like me and Meg.
我走过去看到他们在演奏 我吃了一惊 I went and saw him play and I was blown away.
舞台上空空荡荡 什么都没有 There was nothing on stage. There was nothing there.
他用一个10瓦的小音箱 和一把Silverstone吉他 He was using a little 10-watt amp and Silvertone guitar.
初出茅庐之后 我想的却是转身后退 Headed in, what I would have thought at the time, backwards direction.
我需要重新考虑转身二字对我生命的意义 I had to reassess what backwards meant in my mind.
这给我演奏吉他带来了新的灵感 That opened up a whole new inspiration for me about the guitar.
我开始把鼓撂在一边 I started to leave the drums alone a little bit.
我买的第一把吉他 The first guitar I ever bought.
就是这个 我买的时候是全新的 This was, you know, brand-new when I bought it.
它一直陪伴着我 It's just been with me ever since.
当我们和Steve Lillywhite录第一张专辑的时候 And when we recorded our first album with Steve Lillywhite,
在都柏林的一个录音棚 我们就是拿这把吉他录的伴奏轨 we were in the studio in Dublin and we did the backing tracks.
他说“我们要用一把不同的吉他去录伴奏” And he said, "You know, let's do some overdubs with a different guitar."
我说, "什么意思" I said, "What do you mean?
"我们只有一把吉他 我们乐队就只有这一把吉他" "We only have one guitar. This is the only guitar we own in the band."
当时我17岁 那是1978年的夏天 I was 17, I think, the summer of '78.
我们一家都在纽约 And my family actually were in New York.
对我来说 就像走进了电影里 It was like walking into a movie for me.
纽约的人们像电影里那样说话 I mean, I remember, not only did they speak like they did in the movies,
连车看上去也像电影中那样 but the cars looked like they did in the movies.
人们当时就是那么说话 那个地方当时看上去也就是那样 That's actually how people spoke. That's actually what the place looked like.
在当时 有一辆卡车或者篷车可能是个累赘 It's a burden when you have a truck or a van,
因为每个人都想让你帮他们运东西 because everybody you know wants you to move their stuff for them, you know.
所以每次你一接电话 So every time you get a phone call,
你一般就会说 "好 我过去帮你运炉子和保险柜" you're like, "Yeah, I'll come help you move your stove or your safe."
我帮我的兄弟运过冰箱 I helped my brother move a refrigerator.
他和他妻子刚开了一家叫St. Vincent de Paul store的店 Him and his wife started managing a St. Vincent de Paul store.
在底特律这家商店就像救世军一样 It's like a Salvation Army kind of store in Detroit.
所以我在那儿帮他搬冰箱 So I helped him move a refrigerator there.
The sunburst. Tobacco sunburst. The sunburst. Tobacco sunburst.
我的第一把电吉他 很不错 My first electric. Just tremendous.
当我把它带回家的时候 我都觉得难以置信 Just couldn't believe it when I actually got it home,
它真的就在这屋子里 它真的属于我 and there it was in the house.
真神奇 Fantastic.
这是另一把 我之后买的 This was the one. This was the one that I was after.
我逛了街上的琴行 I went around to the stores on the street
发现了Stuyvesant吉他 and found Stuyvesant Guitars.
到处都是吉他 到处都是人 Guitars everywhere, people everywhere.
这件乐器当时就摆在那儿 在向我打招呼 This instrument was just there, calling out to me.
这把Explorer This Explorer.
然后我就开始真正走上我自己的路 I was really starting to go on my way then.
我的技术开始完善 完全沉溺其中 My technique started to improve. It became like a total addiction,
都到了带它上学的地步 to the point where actually I was now starting to take it to school.
在课间的时候 我就开始练习吉他 And I'd be practicing during the recess breaks.
一直到我的琴被没收 And then it got to the point where the guitar was confiscated.
他们觉得那是一种 反主流文化 They thought it was going to be counterculture or something.
其实吉他对任何人都无害 It wasn't doing any harm to anybody.
过去如此 现在也是如此 Not then, it wasn't.
我帮他运了冰箱 然后他说 So, when I helped him move the refrigerator, he said,
“好吧 把这吉他送给你做补偿如何” "Well, how about taking this guitar for payment?
谢谢你的帮助 "Thanks for helping us," you know.
我很喜欢 简直难以置信 And I loved it so much I couldn't believe it.
我说, "喔~ 哥们 真值" I was like, "Whoa, man, that was worth it."
我把它插到房间的音箱上 可以说 I plugged it into an amp in the room and just could tell.
这是那种蕴含无限可能性的吉他 This was the kind of guitar that had possibilities.
这把吉他中就藏着歌曲 There were songs in this guitar.
在琴行里的20分钟 就定义了整个乐队的风格 Twenty minutes in this store just defined the sound of the band.
干的很出色 This better work out.
我打算改装 或者设计一把自己的吉他 I had ideas about modifying or kind of designing my own guitar.
我喜欢这它的琴体 I liked the body shape of this one.
我想试着为The Raconteurs定做一把Gretsch吉他 I was trying to customize one of these Gretsch guitars for The Raconteurs.
当人们将一把拥有特定音色的吉他 When people take a guitar that's known for a certain sound
放到一个与之风格迥异的环境当中 and throw it into a whole different context,
就会有奇妙的事情发生 something interesting happens.
当我知道音量有限度 Knowing that there was a threshold, to volume,
我就想得到更多的延音 I wanted to get more sustain out of things.
我造访了这个人 Roger Mayer I bumped into this chap, Roger Mayer,
他说他曾经在海军服役过 and all he told people was he worked at the Admiralty.
我有什么想法呢？ Did I have any ideas?
我在家用这把吉他录音 加了很多延音 I had this record at home of a guitar that had a lot of sustain on it.
然后我让他过来听一下 And I got him to come around and have a listen to it.
我说：“你知道怎么弄吗” I said, "Can you get that?"
然后他走了 过一会他回来了 带着一个惊人的东西 And he went away and came back with this phenomenal thing.
一个失真踏板 可以让信号过载 A distortion pedal which overloads the signal,
让声音过载 听上去更狂暴 overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude.
实际上我弹的是这个 This is what I'm actually playing.
就这样 剩下的是踏板 效果 整个全部 That's it. The rest is the foot pedal, the effects, the whole thing.
如果你用一把木吉他演奏 你会说 You know, so if you're on an acoustic, trying to say,
"这是我的riff. 听 多酷的riff" "Here's my new riff. It's a really cool riff. Listen."
天哪 Oh, my Lord.
哇哦 Wow.
真了不起 That's impressive. That's great.
只有一张剖面图 我找了一个出色的琴师 It was a single cutaway, and I had this brilliant luthier
在西雅图的Randy Parsons in Seattle, Randy Parsons.
他加进了一条通路 And he made it a double cutaway for me.
然后我说 "好吧 听着 我有个想法" And then I said, "Well, listen, I have an idea.
"你能不能...能不能加上一个银色的... "Can you just... Can you put a silver...
"银色的Green Bullet口琴麦克在这把吉他上？" "A Green Bullet harmonica mic on the guitar,
"这样我就可以拿它到外头演出" "so I can just take it out, and right there?"
我得到了这个回声部件 然后拿回去排练 I got this echo unit and I brought it back to rehearsal,
我沉浸于演奏中 然后聆听它制造的回声 and just got totally into playing, but listening to the return echo
填充了我没有弹响的音符 就像是两把吉他而不只是一把 filling in notes that I'm not playing, like two guitar players rather than one.
其实是一回事 但它确实不一般 The exact same thing, but it's just a little bit off to one side.
我敢说这种方法 前无古人 I could see ways to use it that had never been used.
瞬间一切都变了 Suddenly everything changed.
所以 Jimmy... So, Jimmy, what...
你早期在录音棚录的这些歌 You know, those early songs that you played on in the studio,
- 是用什么演奏的? - 嗯 - what did you actually play on? - Yeah.
我的意思是 我听说 I mean, that I would have heard,
- 所有这些传奇... - 嗯 有的时候你听说我怎么做的 - like, there's all these legends about... - Well, sometimes you could hear what I did,
有的时候 你不知道我是怎么做的 and other times, you couldn't hear what I did.
我的意思是 我是在Goldfinger录的音. But, I mean, I was on Goldfinger.
很奇妙 That was fantastic.
是的 虽然后来那儿关张了 Yeah. She did one take and collapsed at the end of it.
但他们曾是EMI旗下最大的一个乐团 But, you know, it was huge, huge big orchestra in the EMI number one,
一个规模很大的录音棚 which was a massive, great studio, you know.
在那里 他们录了很多电影配乐 They did a lot of film stuff in there.
- 就像The Kinks？ - 我录了一些The Kinks的东西 - And, like, The Kinks stuff? - I did some Kinks stuff.
- 真的 - 嗯 我没... - Really? - Yeah. I didn't...
我的意思是 你知道 我做的有些失控 I mean, you know, it all got out of hand, you know, about what I had done
- 和我所没有完成的那些 - 真的 他成了传奇的一部分 - and what I hadn't done. - Really, it became, like, the stuff of legend.
在你意识到你做了什么之前 其实一切都已经完成 You know, before you knew what it was, you'd done everything.
我补缺加入了一个暖场乐队 在一个叫The Marquee Club的俱乐部 I was filling in, in an interval band at a club called The Marquee Club,
每周四晚上演出 playing on Thursday evening.
有人问我 "你愿意去录唱片吗" And somebody asked me, said, "Would you like to play on the record?"
那唱片只在TOP20排行榜的尾端昙花一现 The record just bubbled in on the lower end of the Top 20.
很快就销声匿迹 Then it moved so quickly.
之后我不断收到录唱片的邀请 The invitations to do more records were so frequent after that.
以一个学徒的身份走进了录音棚 An apprenticeship, going into recording studios.
"你能加上一个riff吗?" "Can you put a riff to this?"
一首歌已经完整了 有歌词 有合声 中间的桥段 A song with all its parts, the verses, the choruses, the middle eights.
随便给它加上点儿华彩 Feel free to add light detail on it.
你需要快速掌握记谱法 The musical notation, you needed to be right on top of it.
所有这些不同的工作我都能胜任 I could put on all these different hats.
电影音乐或者短歌 "干得不错 Jimmy 非常棒" Film music or a jingle. "Well done, Jimmy, that's great."
我18岁的时候 有人给我唱了Son House的歌 By the time I was about 18, somebody played me Son House.
专门为我唱的 That was it for me.
这首歌用1000种不同的方式对我诉说 This spoke to me in 1,000 different ways.
我不信你能做到这一点 I didn't know that you could do that.
仅仅通过歌唱和拍手 Just singing and clapping.
它意味着一切 摇滚乐的一切 And it meant everything. It meant everything about rock 'n' roll,
关于艺术 创造力 表现的一切 everything about expression and creativity and art.
在这首歌中他一个人向世界发出挑战 One man against the world in one song.
这是我最喜欢的一首歌 现在也是 That's my favorite song. Still is.
听了一次就成了我最喜欢的歌 直到现在 It became my favorite song the first time I heard it and it still is.
我听到一切都在飘散 I heard everything disappearing.
尽管他拍的巴掌有点儿不合拍 It didn't matter that he was clapping off time.
没关系 没有一件乐器在演奏 It didn't matter that there was no instruments being played.
关键是这首歌的态度 All that mattered was the attitude of the song.
跳入未知世界 Jumping off into the unknown.
虔诚期盼着下一个和弦或音符向你走来 Hope and have faith that the next chord or the next few notes will come to you.
有时候 你一无所获 On occasions, you get nothing
然后你觉得你自己象一个白痴 and you come out feeling like a complete idiot
什么都不懂 and that you don't know anything,
不会弹吉他 不会写歌 and you can't play guitar and you can't write songs.
这是都柏林郊外海边的一个小屋 叫Howth There's this little house on the coast of an area outside Dublin, called Howth.
我们决定把它作为排练的地方 We decided that this is where we would rehearse,
The War那张专辑 就在这里录制 leading up to the recording of the War album.
这里被炸弹炸过 早已面目全非 There have been bombs here before, but nothing of the scale of yesterday's.
暗示着伤亡人数 And as the full implications of the number of dead and injured
对财产的破坏显而易见 and the destruction to property became apparent,
很明显南方现在面临着严峻的安全问题 it's also clear that the South now has a serious security problem of its own.
每周都有炸弹爆炸 Bombs going off on a weekly basis.
许多人丧命 So many lives destroyed.
扭曲 变态的自由理念 Perverted, distorted idea of freedom.
没有生命是神圣的 No life was sacred.
关键时刻到来了 有一天我来到这里录音 The crunch came. This one day I went into this session.
我看着眼前的一厚摞纸 I saw this big ream of paper in front of me.
开始感到别扭 I started to get very uncomfortable.
不用排练 他们让你开始就开始 让你停就得停 There was no run-through. They counted you in, and off you went.
我们称之为 助兴乐 It literally was Muzak.
实际上我根本没创作过任何东西 I'm not actually creating anything.
我只是将写好的东西 演奏出来 I'm interpreting whatever it is that's written down now.
我甚至还做助兴乐 And I'm even doing Muzak sessions.
让我抓狂 Tearing my hair out.
所以我打算离开这里 And I've got to get out of it.
我考虑了很久 好几天 And I thought about it for a long time, for days.
一个崭新的世界 出现在了我的面前 There's this whole new world that's just opened up in front of me
我需要考虑 "我怎样才能做到？“ and I have to figure out, "How do I get there?
"我还被允许做得到吗?" "Am I not allowed to get there?"
Bono把它放在我面前跟我说 "你知道 edge 我想你也许可以.. Bono put it to me, he said, "You know, Edge, I think maybe if you
"可以做一些自己的东西" "would do a bit of time on your own."
我记得当时的感受, "那 我能写歌吗? I remember feeling, "Well, can I write?
"你知道 我是一个曲作者 或者只是一个吉他手?" "You know, am I a writer, or am I just a guitarist?"
就这样 这就是我离开的那天 This is it. This is the day of departure.
我想远走高飞 有许多我想要做的事情 I wanted to get out there, and I had a lot that I really wanted to do.
我加入The Yardbirds的那一刻 立刻就用上了琴弓 The minute that I was in The Yardbirds, that bow was out immediately.
我摆脱了自我 渴望尝试一切 I shed this coat off of me, and then I wanted to try everything
去破坏规则 我想去超越 that was breaking rules. I wanted to do things that sped up.
我想做的就是 用琴弓去破坏听众的耳朵 I wanted to do things that were like playing a bow and hurting people's ears.
我开始寻找一条解脱之路 I started to look for ways to get away with it
而不仅仅是那种 白人布鲁斯乐队 and not be some sort of white-boy blues band.
我们进行了一场露天演出 And we went and played open-mic night.
我们陶醉于自己的世界 We were kind of in our own little world.
Meg并不是真的很想做 Meg didn't really want to do it.
是我逼她的 I was pushing her.
如果我让她坐在架子鼓后面 If I put her behind the drums,
然后 你知道的 也许就会有一些奇妙的事情发生 then, you know, maybe something interesting will happen.
她像一个小野人 像一个孩子那样地演奏 She just played like a little caveman and a little child.
我们围绕Meg开始塑造形象 We started to form everything around Meg.
我们看到了一包薄荷糖 We saw a bag of peppermint candies.
我说, "很好 那个应该放在你的底鼓上 I said, "Well, that should be on your bass drum.
"我们要把它 涂到你的底鼓上" "We should paint that on your bass drum."
那时候 我也找了一把红色的吉他 By this time, I had found a red guitar.
这把红色的吉他和薄荷糖图案 决定了我们乐队的形象 This red guitar and the peppermint candy dictated the aesthetic of the band.
White Stripes成为了一种重要的解脱方式 White Stripes became the big way to get away with it.
有这样一个兄妹乐队 你知道... By having a brother-and-sister band that was, you know...
红 白 和黑 是整体的外观 Red, white and black was the complete aesthetic.
很天真 我们在展示我们自己 And it was childish, and we're presenting ourselves
用一种十分天真的方式 就像卡通人物一样 in a real childish manner, almost like cartoon characters.
有许多方式 可以帮助人们逃离生活 And a lot of distractions to keep people away
远离现实 from what was really going on,
眼下我们只是通过努力演奏 which was, we were just really trying to play this, you know.
就是这样 所以... You know, still are, so...
我一般用一种布鲁斯的方式 演奏D和弦 I would just go to D with it sort of in a blues way,
我要唱Son House的歌词 and I was just singing a Son House lyric.
然后是D和弦 然后... And then we go to D, then...
基于一个布鲁斯的架构 Floating around blues structures.
媒体能明白你在做什么吗？ Did the press understand what you were doing?
不 我认为他们不明白 No, I don't think they did.
他们一无所知 I didn't think they had a clue what we were doing,
每张专辑 都在改变着概念和风格 as each album changed in its sort of concept and variety.
回过头去看 真的很糟 The reviews were terrible.
他们不明白我们在干什么 They didn't understand what we were doing.
媒体只给我们的第四张专辑 写了一个自然段长的评论 They gave the fourth album a one-paragraph review.
现在看来那张专辑里包含了很多东西 Now, there's a lot of material on that.
Black Dog, Levee Breaks Stairway to Heaven Black Dog, there's Levee Breaks, there's Stairway to Heaven.
一个自然段 One paragraph.
对于眼前发生的事情 他们一无所知 They didn't have a clue what was going on.
从那之后 我都不屑去看音乐杂志 I just didn't even bother to read music papers after that.
汽车炸弹爆炸了 This car bomb has gone off.
一家酒吧被机关枪扫荡了 This bar has been raked with machine gun fire.
人们都对生命漠不关心 Total disregard for human life.
我们从不这样 We're not buying into this.
我只记得当时很愤怒 I just remember being in a rage.
当你路过一片森林 When you go past a managed forest,
你能看到一行行树 you see a mass of tree trunks.
从一个特定的点去看 你就会发现他们完美的排成了一排 Then, at a certain point, you look again, and you realize they're all in perfect rows.
那样清晰 Clarity.
视野开阔 Clarity of vision.
如果你站在一个错误的角度 你就什么都看不到 What you've been looking at from the wrong angle and not seeing at all.
你努力去追寻 You labor.
汗流浃背 You sweat to see
可你从别的角度去看 就是什么也看不到 what you couldn't have seen from that other perspective.
我只记得 我急于想找到它 I just remember just scrambling to try and put it down
在那一刹那消逝之前 before that moment passes and fades.
我的方法是 拿起吉他 And picking up the guitar and that's what I came out with.
你知道 我到这儿来 有的时候一整天都不顺 You know, I come in here and sometimes it's just not a great day,
但是如果你坚持下去 你总会有所收获 but there's always gonna be something if you just keep going.
如果你内心或者身边 没有一种抗争 If you don't have a struggle already inside of you or around you,
那你就需要去创造一个 you have to make one up.
每天的那些小事 These little things during the day.
极端情绪 Extreme feelings.
那些让你愤怒的事 或者 Something that made you angry or something that made you
那些让你失望或嫉妒的事 upset or jealous.
你来这儿之前就写下了 Stairway to Heaven You wrote the essence ofStairway to Heaven before you got here.
- 对 我... - 什么步骤 - Yes, I had... - What is your process
在你写歌的时候 when you write a song?
我也跟你说不清是什么步骤 I can't tell you what the process is.
那是从一件事转变到另一件, 但是通常来讲它都是... It changes from one thing to another, but it usually comes just from...
从某人的作品中, For anybody who's writing or,
你知道 当他们创作歌词或者音乐之类的东西时 you know, whether they're writing written word or music or whatever,
只是灵光一现 真的 it just comes from the creative spark, really.
都是不由自主的 It's all very spontaneous,
但是你知道 我们来这儿的全部理由就是为了这个 but, you see, the whole reason for being here was for that.
这双头琴就是为了Stairway做的 The double neck came as a result of Stairway.
Stairway是在一把木吉他上写的 Stairwaywas done on the acoustic,
之后补上电吉他的部分来完善 with all these electric guitar string parts on it that build it up.
我想 "我在舞台上该怎么办?" I thought to myself, "How am I going to do this on stage?"
所以如果你愿意的话 为了一首歌很有必要 So, it became a necessity relative to the song, if you like.
因为你可以用六弦演奏 'Cause then you could do the six-string part,
木吉他部分 当然还有电吉他 还有solo the acoustic part, electric, of course, but the solo on this,
- 其他部分在12弦的琴颈上演奏 - 对 是这样 - and do the rest of it on the 12. - Right. Yeah.
作为一个录音乐手 你当然用不着去提速 Being a studio musician, you certainly don't speed up.
我真正想做Stairway的一个原因是 我可以提速并将它推向高潮 One of the things that I really wanted to do straightaway was crescendo and speed.
我喜欢这个乐章的构思 I liked this idea of movement.
律动 动力 Pulse, push.
力度和能量的起伏 Rise and fall in its intensity, in its power.
明暗 Light and shade.
为什么我不去演奏它呢 Wouldn't I want to be employing that?
一些东西一直在持续积累 That was something that was gonna keep increasing,
从开头到结尾不断在构建 提速 building, accelerating, from the beginning to the very end,
像是性高潮 like an orgasm.
每天晚上我们在舞台上演出 它都很生动 Every night that we went on stage, it was living.
每一点都很生动 Totally living at every point.
火花迸发为火焰 火焰在熊熊燃烧 The spark had become the flame and the flame was burning really bright.
就这样 That's it.
音乐创造或者是写作 需要全神贯注 There's a total concentration on music and creativity and writing.
推动极限 Pushing the boundaries.
超越地平线 Looking over the horizon.
乐手们绝对是这场游戏的焦点 Musicians that were absolutely on top of their game.
真棒! Great!
好的 Nice.
好. 就这样 Nice. That's it.
你应该加入到这个大家庭 You're supposed to join the family.
你可以成为他们的一员 You're supposed to become part of it.
创作者之家 That family of storytellers.
然后直接下到休止段 然后是... G和弦.对 When it goes down into that break bit. It's, yeah... It's G. Yeah.
- D, C, C, G - Okay. Yeah - D, C, C, G. - Okay. Yeah.
G, B minor? G, B minor?
- G, D, C, 是... - 就这样 明白了 好 - G, D, C, it's the... - Right here. I see. Yeah, okay.
最大的激情就是创作 The biggest thrill is creating something
有一种能量 将人们联系在一起 that has the power to really connect with people.
这就是为什么 我第一个拿起了吉他 That's why I took up the guitar in the first place.
这块儿唱什么音? 我可以唱低点儿 What's the note here for the vocal? For me, if I do it lower.
哦 这样 Oh, that.
我唱高音... I can do the high, but...
我恐怕唱不了 Afraid I can't hit it.
- 我唱不了歌 真没没前途 哈哈 - 真的很高 对吧? - I can't sing. I'm hopeless. Yeah. - Really high ones, isn't it?
是他找到了我还是我找到了他 我不知道 Whether I took it on, or it took me on, I don't know.
事已至此 The jury's out on that.
我不在乎 But I don't care.
我真的十分十分享受 就这样 I just really, really enjoyed it. That's it.
我刚注意到 刚才把第二个和弦弹错了 I just noticed, I've been playing the wrong second chord in the verse.
- 是吗? - 是Bm 而不是Em - Have you? - It's a B minor, actually, not an E minor.
- 我去 - 嗯 这样好多了 - Oh shit. - Yeah, that's better.
对我来说 那是一个更广阔的世界 For me, it was a much bigger world.
我对那个世界里的一切都如饥似渴 那里一切 I had a voracious appetite for everything. All of it.
音乐促使前进的脚步 Music keeps progressing and moving on
人们不断想出新的创意 新的技巧 and people come up with new ideas and new tricks
有新的方式来讲述老的故事 and new ways to tell the same story in a different way.
我们都在做着同样的事 We're all doing the same thing,
试图和另一个人来分享 attempting to share something with another human being.
简单来讲 我们其实是一个乐队 In essence, we are effectively the same band.
我们的成分是有点复杂 We're a little bit more complex.
但我们挤在这个小屋里就是一个乐队 But we're really still the band that's crowded into the small little rooms,
在一起演奏 trying to play with each other
想方设法 达到一个新的境界 and find those clues that will take us somewhere new.
现在那个启示到底在哪儿 我也记不得了 Now, exactly where this note was I have no memory.
以前就贴在这个地方 But this is where it was put.
我觉得组乐队这个主意非常不错 I loved this whole idea of, you know, getting a band together.
于是我就干脆地行动了 So I was definitely gonna do something.
但是如果Larry没把启示贴在这儿 我现在可能在别的乐队 But if Larry had not put the message up, I would have been in some other band.
我不清楚 不会是U2 I don't know. It wouldn't have been U2.
谁知道是什么呢 如果那样 God knows who it would have been. And if, you know, would I
我现在还在干这个吗？可能不会了 be doing what I am now? Probably not.
我的意思是 干什么都有可能 I mean, I could be doing anything.
我不清楚 我有可能 在一家银行 或者别的什么地方上班 I'd be, I don't know, working in a bank somewhere or something.
总有一天你会拿起吉他 The day when you pick up a guitar
脑海中空空如也 and there's nothing coming through whatsoever.
没有新作品 没有新思路 There's no new pieces, no new ideas.
每一个搞创作的人都有一种天赋 And that's the sort of gift that any creative person has.
但是总有那样的一天 There's always that point that that might happen to you.
你已经过了弹吉他的年纪 Or you're too old to be able to pick the guitar up.
我们都在努力使那一天 离得越远越好 And we're just trying to keep that day far, far away and out of sight.
这把叫做Claudette 以女演员Claudette Colbert名字命名 This one's called Claudette. After the actress Claudette Colbert.
我的纹身师给我弄了这个 My tattoo artist did all this for me.
在人身上弄这个他很在行 然后我们要他在... He's really good at doing this on people, so we figured he'd be doing it with...
我买了一个烧木头的工具 所以我们能在这面儿刻上她的脸 I bought him a wood burning tool, so he could burn her face on the side of it.
我做了这块护板 看着像一个混血女郎 I made the pick guard, so it looks like a brunette.
你每次到这儿来都带着音箱吗 And you come out and bring your amp out here all the time?
对 对 Yeah. Yeah.
这是我的家伙 你知道 我喜欢在天气不好的时候来这 弹奏摇滚乐 It's my thing. You know, I like to get out here in the elements and rock out.
对 和那个小岛 Yeah, with the islands.
那个岛我觉得总能启发我得到那些 延迟回声的音色 The islands I always find very inspiring for those long echo, delayed sounds.
那实际上是一个theremin It's an actual theremin.
那不是吉他 但是很有乐趣 It hasn't got six strings, but it's a lot of fun.
我注意到你有张披头士的图片 I notice you have a picture of the Fab Four.
其实那根本不是对披头士的崇拜 It's actually not so much reverence for The Beatles.
是我们乐队的发型参考 It's a kind of haircut reference for the crew.
我们的一套衣服和手机差点儿出事 We almost had an accident with a suit and a cell phone.
他刚要说"有组织的" He was probably right in the middle of saying the words "totally organic."
看 有人在储物柜上贴上了 glad to see you go的歌词 Look at that. Somebody's put the lyrics to Glad to See You Go on their locker.
多巧啊 是啊 What a coincidence. Okay.
我们过去经常演奏这首歌 We used to play this song.