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我一直有冒险追寻的抱负… I had ambitions to set out and find...
就像奥德赛迷航 漂泊之后开始寻找归乡路 like an odyssey of going home somewhere.
我开始寻找这个家园 毕竟我已离开许久… I set out to find this home that I'd left a while back...
我已经记不得归乡路 但我还是踏上追寻的旅程 and I couldn't remember exactly where it was, but I was on my way there.
一路上遇见很多事 反映我如何想望家园 And encountering what I encountered on the way, was how I envisioned it all.
其实我完全没啥雄心壮志 I didn't really have any ambition at all.
我出生的地方 离我真正的家乡很远… I was born very far from where I'm supposed to be...
于是我踏上归乡路，就是这样 and so I'm on my way home, you know.
Once upon a time you dressed so fine
You threw the bums a dime in your prime
Didn't you?
People call and say, "Beware, doll, you're bound to fall"
You thought they were all kidding you
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hanging out
Now you don't talk too loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging around
For your next meal
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?
时光，人们总想做点什么 希望时光停驻不前… Time... You can do a lot of things that seem to make time stand still...
当然这是白费力气 没人能让时光暂停 but of course, you know, no one can do that.
多年以前
大概在我十岁的时候 我开始弹吉他 Maybe when I was about 10, I started playing the guitar.
我在家里找到一把吉他 那是我父亲买的 I found a guitar in the house that my father bought, actually.
我还找到其它东西 一种神秘的音源 I found something else in there. This kind of mystical overtones.
那是一架很大的桃红木唱机 There was a great big mahogany radio.
最高可以有78转的唱机 It had a 78 turntable when you opened up the top.
有一天我打开唱机… And I opened it up one day...
上面刚好放了一张 乡村歌曲的唱片… and there was a record on, a country record...
那首歌叫做 Drifting Too Far From Shore this song called Drifting Too Far From Shore.
那音乐让我觉得 我好像是另一个人… The sound of the record made me feel like I was somebody else...
那种感觉… and that...
就好像我生错地方什么的 you know, I was maybe not even born to the right parents, or something.
西槟市，明尼苏达1950
葛洛莉雅薇儿，1950西槟小姐
那里和其它40或50年代的城镇一样 It looked like any other town out of the '40s or '50s.
只是个小农村 没什么前景发展可言 Just some rural town. It was on the way to nowhere.
甚至在地图上都找不到 And you probably couldn't find it on a map.
也许只有三个区块在马路右边 另外三个区块在左边 Maybe three blocks one way, and maybe three blocks the other way...
一条主要街道 所有百货公司都在那边… and that was like a main street where all the department stores were...
还有杂货店等等… 大概就那样了 the drugstores, the... That's about it, you know.
铁矿
如果维持生计的命脉不再 该镇的命运会如何？ What happens to a town after the livelihood is gone?
没错，它会开始衰败 甚至消逝无踪，对不对？ All right, it just sort of decays and blows away, doesn't it?
我的家乡就是这样 That's the way it goes.
大部份的土地不是农田… Most of the land was either farmland...
就是沦为矿业公司的垃圾场 or just completely scavenged by the mining companies.
夏天特别炎热… Very hot in the summertime...
冬天又寒冷无比 in the winter, it was just rightly cold, you know.
整个冬天真的很难熬… All winter, it was just, I mean...
我们没有现在这种保暖的冬衣… We didn't have the clothes they have now...
所以只能一次穿二、三件衬衫 so I mean, you just wore two or three shirts at a time.
把能穿的都穿上 Slept in your clothes.
矿坑位于镇郊附近 镇上每个人都在那里工作 The pit was on the outer limits of the town. That's where everybody worked.
你无法造反 那里冷到让人无力使坏 You couldn't be a rebel. It was so cold that you couldn't be bad.
天气很快就让万物平等如一 The weather equalizes everything very quickly.
没有人抢劫作恶 And nobody was gonna really pull a stickup.
也没有什么哲学思想 或地方俚俗… There really wasn't any philosophy, any idiom...
没有任何思想体系 让你去抗议违背 any ideology to really go against.
我的父亲和叔叔伯伯 共同经营一家电器行 My father and his brothers, they had an electrical store.
我的第一份工作就是 打扫店面… 'Bout the first job I ever had was sweeping up the store...
而且我应该要学习… and I was supposed to learn...
吃苦耐劳的精神 诸如此类的… the discipline of hard work or something, you know...
工作的价值与意义 and the merits of employment.
马戏团来了 Circuses came through.
广场上架起马戏帐棚 表演节目在此上演 There were tent shows at the carny midways.
他们大声宣传 And they had barkers.
我们有双头马！ Got a horse with two heads!
还有人面鸡！ Got a chicken in there with a man's face!
赶快来看阴阳人！ Come see the girl-boy!
那是农村风光的时代 It was just more rural back then.
那时候的人就这样 许多刻意扮成黑人的角色… That's what people did. You could see guys in blackface:
黑脸的乔治华盛顿… George Washington in blackface...
或黑脸的拿破仑 or Napoleon wearing blackface.
好像怪异的莎翁闹剧 Like, weird Shakespearean things.
看似毫无道理的东西 Stuff that didn't really make any sense at the time.
马戏团的人通常身兼数职 And people had other jobs in the carny team.
我看过有人一脸浓妆… I saw somebody putting makeup on...
操控摩天轮之后 又急急忙忙跑回来 getting back from running the Ferris wheel once.
我觉得那个场景很有趣 And I thought that was pretty interesting.
好像他一个人做两件事… Guy's got, you know... He does two things, you know, or something like that.
我想唱一首歌… I've got a song here that I'd like to do that's been awful kind to me and the boys.
这首歌对我和其他团员来说 非常亲切
歌名叫做… It's a tune called:
Cold Cold Heart Cold Cold Heart.
汉克威廉斯
我们要等到三更半夜 才能收听到其它电台节目… We'd have to listen late at night for other stations to come in...
来自国内各处 偏远地方的电台节目 from other parts of the country, places that were far away.
五万瓦的电台 透过大气向外传播 Fifty-thousand watt stations coming out through the atmosphere.
强尼雷… Johnnie Ray:
他的嗓音有种奇特的魔力… He had some kind of strange incantation in his voice...
好像巫毒咒语… like he'd been voodooed...
他唱歌时会大声呐喊 and he cried, kind of, when he sang.
这是《大奥普里》时间 It's Grand Ole Opry time.
最棒的乡村音乐节目 为您带来韦伯皮尔斯 Another big folk music show, starring Webb Pierce.
马帝华特斯
那个声音影响了我 It was the sound that got to me.
并不是受到谁影响… It wasn't who it was, or...
是歌声本身对我影响深远 It was the sound of it.
我们的城镇 美国明尼苏达州西槟市 This is our town, Hibbing, Minnesota, USA.
我在小镇听着收音机 却渐渐感到厌烦 I began listening to the radio, I began to get bored being there.
我想过离开家乡去念军校… I thought about going to military school...
但我梦想进入的那所军校… but the military school that I envisioned myself going to...
却没有收我… I couldn't get in...
那就是西点军校 which was West Point.
我总爱想像自己… You know, I could always envision myself dying in some heroic battle somewhere.
英勇的战死在异地沙场
也许那个时代… So I mean, maybe that era...
已经远去 has gone.
金文森和蓝帽乐团
我第一次在收音机 听到摇滚乐… First time I heard rock 'n' roll on the radio...
我觉得和以往听的乡村歌曲 没什么二样 I felt it was pretty similar to the country music which I'd been listening to.
我组过几次乐团… I formed a couple of groups, growing up, and we rehearsed and played...
我们会排练并且…
找场地演出 不过演出的机会不多… where we could play. There wasn't much opportunity...
很难在那里一炮而红 to really break out of that area.
巴布是我班上的学生 我们那时有才艺表演 Robert was in my class, and that was the era that they had the talent show.
罗夫森老师
当然巴布也上台表演 Robert, of course, he was up on stage.
他的演唱真是惊人 His concert began, and it was quite surprising.
我看到巴布站在钢琴旁… I saw Robert stand there at the piano...
我心想他大概打算 毁了那架钢琴 and my guess is that he was trying to destroy it.
他用力敲击琴键 相当不寻常的一幕 He was pumping on the thing. It was a most unusual thing to observe.
校长立刻把舞台的布幕拉上 The principal pulled the curtain on him.
他对我说： 这种音乐不适合演出… He said to me, "I didn't think that music was suitable for the audience...
“所以我拉上布幕” "so I pulled the curtain."
校长-彼得生
没人喜欢乡村音乐 摇滚乐或节奏蓝调 Nobody liked country music, or rock 'n' roll, or rhythm and blues.
那里还无法接受这种音乐 That kind of music wasn't what was happening up there.
当时流行的歌曲是How Much is that Doggie in the Window？ The music that was popular was How Much is that Doggie in the Window?
完全不合现实的歌曲 现实世界根本一片萧条 That wasn't our reality. Our reality was bleak to begin with.
现实是无时不刻的恐惧… Our reality was fear that at any moment...
担心炸弹何时引爆 人人尸骨无存 this black cloud would explode, where everybody would be dead.
学校会教你如何躲在书桌底下 They would show you in school, how to dive for cover under your desk.
我们就是这样长大的 这会导致一种妄想症… We grew up with all that, so it created a sense of paranoia...
我也不确定 这倒是始料未及的 that, I don't know, was probably unforeseen.
罗伯特季默曼
1959年五月 我替巴布季默曼录了一卷带子 In May, 1959, I recorded a tape for Bob Zimmerman.
巴布知道我有录音机很兴奋… Bob was real excited to learn I had a tape recorder...
狄克坎格：高中友人
他想知道他的声音 听起来如何 and he wanted to know what he sounded like.
光凭在镇上演唱 我不清楚… I really can't say if the girls took a liking to me or not...
女孩子喜不喜欢我 from playing around town.
第一个对我有好感的女孩是 葛罗莉雅石头利 The first girl that ever took a liking to me, her name was Gloria Story.
葛罗莉雅石头利 那真是的她本名 Gloria Story, I mean, that was her real name.
第二个女朋友的名字则是爱渴 真是奇怪的名字 Second girlfriend was named Echo. Now, that's pretty strange.
我没有遇过其他叫做爱渴的人 I've never met anybody named Echo.
我在她窗下的梯子大唱情歌 I serenaded her underneath the ladder that went up to her window.
这两位女孩引出我的诗意 And both these girls, by the way, brought out the poet in me.
我们离去已久… Long after we have gone...
而形体的起源… while the flesh of our beginning has not yet traveled the light years into distance...
尚未开始它的光年之旅…
它终会消失在黑暗太空 我们由该处而生… it will disappear into the blackness of the space from which we came...
又从该处毁灭 死于猛烈的爆炸火光 destroyed as we began, in a burst of gas and fire.
詹姆斯狄恩、白兰度 电影The Wild One James Dean, Brando, The Wild One.
他们并没有扼杀整个过往 It didn't kill all the entire past.
并不是这些人出现 就开创了全新的时代 It's not like they just appeared and there's a new scene happening now.
时间多少会冲淡过去… Time, you know, time kind of obliterated the past...
我的成长过程大致是这样 that was around when I was growing up.
就是时间的推进而已 Just time and progress, really.
How does it feel
Oh, how does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?
英格兰新堡 1966年5月21日
他完全变了 He's just changed altogether.
他和以前完全不同 不再是原先的样子 He's changed from what he was. He's not the same as what he was at first.
-你几乎不认识他 -不认识 - You don't even recognize him. - No.
一年前我在雪菲尔的市政厅 见过他… About a year ago, I saw him here in Sheffield at the City Hall...
那时我觉得他很棒 and I thought he was magnificent.
我以为他再怎么努力 也不可能更好了 You know, I thought he just couldn't improve if he tried.
结果现在却是这样… Then the next thing that happened was...
有了许多支持者 现在他变得商业化 he went really commercial, with this backing group.
我不太喜欢这样 And I didn't like that very much.
我不知道他要做什么 I don't know what he's trying to do.
我认为他向大众口味妥协了 I think he's conceding, you know, to some sort of popular taste.
这样不好 他是在糟蹋自己 I think it's a bad thing. I think he's prostituting himself.
听到这种垃圾音乐 会让人作呕 听到这种垃圾音乐 会让人作呕
后半场的巴布狄伦真烂
我认为狄伦的歌曲不该是… I don't think the spirit of the Dylan songs has been portrayed with this...
如此的陈腐不堪 with this incredibly corny group behind him.
我喜欢他早期的唱片 像Freewheelin'等等… I like his earlier records as on his Freewheelin' LPs, etcetera...
但这个，我真的无法苟同 but this, I just can't stick.
那前半段的演唱会呢？
我觉得相当沉闷 I found it rather boring.
我觉得口琴的即兴演奏太多 I found there was too much improvising on his wretched harmonica.
有时候吉他的旋律都快跑掉了 And he tended to lose the rhythm on his guitar altogether at times.
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come following you
Though I know that evening's empire
Has returned into sand
Vanished from my hand
Left me blindly here to stand but still not sleeping
My weariness amazes me I'm branded on my feet
I have no one to meet
And the ancient empty street's too dead for dreaming
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come following you
逃离高中的第二天 Got out of high school and left the very next day.
我尽可能远离原先的环境 I'd gone as far as I could in my particular environment.
我试着加入别的乐团 I was gonna try to join some other band.
鲍比维
结果只找到鲍比维 他来自法戈镇 There was only one guy that ever came out of there, and he was out of Fargo.
我真去那边和他合作 And I'd actually gone there to play with him. He had a regional hit called Suzie Baby.
他有一支乐团叫Suzie Baby
那时我负责用钢琴弹三连音 At that point, I was just playing triplets on the piano.
我自己没有钢琴 他们也不打算买架钢琴 I didn't have my own piano, so they weren't gonna buy a piano.
不过我确实和他们合奏一段时间 But I did play some shows with them.
没什么大成就 Nothing much came of it.
他会告诉别人 他也可能是鲍比维 He would let people know that he was maybe Bobby Vee.
巴布逢人就这么说 包括他的堂兄弟和亲戚… Bob told everyone including his, like, cousins and relatives...
他曾是鲍比维一员 that, you know, he was Bobby Vee.
我想他大概喜欢成名的感觉 And I guess he liked that recognition of being famous.
人们会看着他说… 'Cause people looked at him, and say:
“嘿！鲍比维，那首歌真不错” "Hey, that's a pretty good song you got out, Bobby Vee."
我是一个音乐探险家 I was a musical expeditionary.
我的过去没啥好说… I had no past, really, to speak of, nothing to go back to, nobody to lean on.
没什么好回溯的 我不依靠任何人
明尼苏达大学-1959年 I came down to Minneapolis. I didn't go to classes.
我在明尼阿波里斯混得不好 学校课业中辍
我有注册… I was enrolled...
但是没去上课 but I didn't go to classes.
我就是不喜欢学校 I just didn't feel like it.
我们整晚唱歌玩乐器 We were singing and playing all night. Sleeping most of, you know, the morning.
白天的时间大部份在睡觉
根本没时间念书 I didn't really have any time for studying.
赞美人类 "Praised be man
他受乳汁滋养 在纯洁百合中成长 "He is existing in milk, and living in lilies
他的提琴乐音 在乳白的虚无回荡 "And his violin music takes place in milk and creamy emptiness
赞美内在的思想逐渐绽放 "Praised be the unfolded inside petal flesh of tend'rest thought
也赞美迷惘，一时的涟漪细浪 "Praised be delusion; the ripple
赞美永恒的海洋 "Praised be the Holy Ocean of Eternity
“赞美我自己，我的书写 我已死去，却又再次死去” "Praised be I, writing, dead already, and dead again"
我完全坠入凯鲁亚克的 文字氛围… I fell into that atmosphere of everything Kerouac was saying...
感觉这个世界彻底疯狂 about the world being completely mad.
他只对疯狂的人有兴趣… And the only people for him that were interesting...
就是那些生活疯狂的人… were the mad people, the mad ones, the ones who were, you know, mad to live...
说话疯狂，需要拯救的疯狂… and mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time...
想到任何事的同时…
那些疯狂的人从不觉得沉闷 the ones who never yawn, all those mad ones.
他的想法很符合我的心境 And I felt like I fit right into that bunch.
约翰雅各奈尔
还没离开矿区之前 我听了一些民谣音乐 I had heard folk music before leaving the Iron Range.
不知在哪里听过约翰雅各奈尔 感觉有够怪的 I'd heard John Jacob Niles somewhere, strangely enough.
民谣乐曲带给我一些感受… I don't know, folk music was delivering me something, you know...
那些歌曲正好唱出我的感受 对生活、对人群… which was the way I always felt about life, you know, and people...
对习俗和思想体系的观感… and, you know, institutions, and ideology...
歌曲刚好揭露这一切 and it was just, you know, uncovering it all.
奥黛塔
她上下敲打吉他 非常有节奏感… She played that upstroke-downstroke kind of rhythm...
根本不需要打鼓辅助 有点像德墨式的韵律 where you don't need the drum. It's kind of like a Tex-Mex rhythm.
我听到那样的节奏… I heard that rhythm...
我觉得可以用这种节奏 唱任何歌曲 and I thought, well, I could use that rhythm for all kinds of things.
我甚至不记得买过唱片 I don't even remember, you know, buying any records.
我的音感一向敏锐 如果我进去唱片行… If went into the booth... I had a very agile mind.
一首歌只要听一次或二次 我就能琅琅上口了… ...I could learn a song by maybe hearing it once or twice.
巴布狄伦的歌声
我拿电器用品去换了把吉他 I traded my electric equipment for an acoustic guitar.
几乎一到手就开始弹奏 Started playing almost immediately.
他在那里，吧台后面的海报 狄伦！你好吗？ There he is, down at the end of the bar. Dylan! How are you?
狄伦汤玛斯 他看起来很震惊 Dylan Thomas, and he's looking shocked.
远在明尼苏达… Out in Minnesota...
连恩克兰西
有一个年轻人深受启发… there was a young man who was inspired...
甚至把名字也改成狄伦… to change his name to Dylan...
纯粹受到狄伦汤玛斯影响 because of the poet Dylan Thomas.
虔诚在歌唱 "Piety sings
纯洁抚平阴郁的 最后一口气 "Innocence sweetens my last black breath
谦逊的羽翼 遮盖我的身躯 "Modesty hides my thighs in her wings
那些至善的美德 "And all the deadly virtues
“折磨着我的死亡！” "plague my death!"
我实在说不上来 为何取这个艺名 Why it became that particular name, I really can't say.
一开始想到要改名可能是… There was some intimation that maybe he was changing his name...
避免种族问题 'cause of a racial thing.
因为我发现… 'Cause, I later found out...
明尼阿波里斯有很长的历史 是反犹太的… that Minneapolis had a fairly big history of being anti-Semitic...
一开始我根本没注意到这点 which I wasn't aware of at all.
某天我突然想到这个名字 The name just popped into my head one day.
不过并没有产生任何变化 But it didn't really happen any of the ways that I've read about it.
我不觉得自己有什么过往… I mean, I just don't feel like I had had a past...
我的过去 没有什么牵连瓜葛… and, you know, I couldn't relate to anything...
当下所做的一切才重要… other than what I was doing at the present time...
我也不晓得… and I don't, you know...
我以前的所作所为并不重要 或许现在仍是如此 Didn't matter to me what I said, you know. It still doesn't, really.
他听起来很普通 He sounded, like, average, I would say. He wasn't the worst, he wasn't the best...
他不是最差，也不是最好…
他的作品就像其他人一样… but the repertoire was similar to everybody else's repertoire...
保罗尼尔森
也许怀德、奥黛塔、贝拉方提 Josh White, Odetta, Belafonte.
我那时没什么目标 只想学会所有的歌 Right then and there I had no goal except learning all the songs I could.
他相当渴望 他渴望的东西很多… He was hungry. You know, hungry in a lot of ways...
不只是金钱或名声… not just for money, not just for fame...
他还渴望体验 想做音乐、发行出版… but he was hungry for experience, for getting out, for doing it...
他想看外面的世界 想知道自己能有何成就 for seeing what was out there, seeing who he could be.
克兰西兄弟 汤米麦坎
他很像一块海绵… He was like a sponge in a way, like...
揣摩别人的风格、腔调 pick up people's mannerisms, accents.
我几乎遗忘了 小时候生长的矿区 I'd forgotten all about the Iron Range, where I grew up.
我完全不记得了 I'd forgotten about it all.
连想都没再想过 It didn't even enter my mind.
伍迪葛西
伍迪葛西的声音很特别 Woody Guthrie, he had a particular sound.
除了特别的嗓音 他还会说一些口白 And besides that, he said something to go along with his sound.
很特别的听觉经验 That was highly unusual, to my ears.
这个机器杀了法西斯份子
他是个天才 他的歌曲有惊人的观点 He was a radical, his songs had a radical slant.
我常想： 哇！ 这就是我想唱的歌 I thought, "ooh," you know, like... "That's what I want to sing.
“我要那样唱” "I want to sing that."
我不敢相信 以前没听过这个人 I couldn't believe that I'd never heard of this man.
你可以从他的歌曲当中 知道如何生活 You could listen to his songs, and actually learn how to live.
有人对我说： “你在唱伍迪葛西的歌” One guy said, "You're singing a Woody Guthrie song."
Bound For Glory-伍迪葛西
于是送我一本他写的 Bound For Glory He gave me a book that he wrote, called Bound for Glory, and I read it.
我读完Bound For Glory深感认同… I identified with that Bound for Glory book...
比我创作On the Road更心有戚戚焉 more than I even did with On the Road.
这些歌对大部份的人来说 实在古老 These songs sounded archaic to most people.
我不知道，我自己没有这种感觉 I don't know why they didn't sound archaic to me.
对我来说它们就像时下流行的歌 They sounded like these songs were happening at the moment, to me.
Well, I see you got your
brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat
Yes, I see you got your
brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat
Well, you must tell me, baby
how your head feels under somethin' like that
Under your brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat
Well, you wear it so pretty
Honey, can I jump on it sometime?
Yes, I just wanna see
if it's really the expensive kind
You know it balances on your head
just like a mattress balances on a bottle of wine
Your brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat
I asked the doctor if I could see you
非常了不起，非常棒 Fantastic, very good.
-他是第一名 -太棒了 - Rank. - Excellent.
-听起来很糟，太可悲了 -他太棒了！ - It was lousy, it was pathetic. - He was great!
他只是做自己想做的事
如果你不喜欢就不要听
门票就是这样写 你来看狄伦的，不是听乐团 It said on the ticket you came to see Dylan not a group.
这不是流行乐团 Not a pop group.
很少有流行乐团像这样
特别报导，请看 附大量照片 Special paper, now, with all the pictures.
巴布狄伦…
那时我只把歌学起来 然后演唱出来… I was just learning songs and playing them...
试着发掘伍迪葛西的精髓 and trying to find out who Woody Guthrie was.
要找到伍迪的唱片几乎不可能 Woody's records were almost impossible to find.
唱片行完全没有他的唱片 They didn't have any of his records in the record stores.
保罗是研究民俗音乐的学者 他本身并不玩乐器 Paul was a folk music scholar. He didn't play at all.
不过他收藏很多唱片… He had a whole lot of records...
许多唱片在中西部根本找不到… which probably couldn't be found anywhere else in the Midwest...
只有他家才可能有 他那时和别人住在一起 except at Paul's house, and he lived there with somebody else.
我有次在他家听唱片 You know, I was listening to records at his house once.
我知道他们外出渡周末… I knew they'd be away for the weekend...
所以我去那边翻出一堆旧唱片听个够 so I went over there and helped myself to a bunch of old records.
贝斯坎拉马兰佛 演唱暨斑鸠琴演奏
我大概有25张唱片不见了 大部份都是狄伦听过的那些 About 25 records disappeared, mostly the stuff that Dylan was listening to.
所以我们猜测应该是他带走了 And we sort of figured out that he'd taken them.
那些唱片特别难找 简直珍贵到了极点 Those records were extremely hard to find. They were like hen's teeth.
如果你碰巧看到它们 又像我这样… If you came across them, somebody like myself...
以音乐探险家自居的人… who was a musical expeditionary...
你一定想要完全拥有它们 you know, you just would have to immerse yourself in them.
我们开始找狄伦出面 So we started trying to track Dylan down.
我们试过他的兄弟会 他曾经住在那边 We tried the fraternity house where he had once been.
可惜没找到，我们拿到另一个地址 一个地方接一个地方的找人 No luck there. We got another address, and then yet another.
每个人都会觉得 “天啊！这家伙一定很有名” And everybody said, "Boy, this kid must be popular," you know.
我们每到一处都有人说 “你大概是第十个要找他的人了” "You're about the tenth guy looking for him" you know, at every place we went.
我忘了最后是怎么找到他的 反正我们找到他住的公寓 And I don't know how we finally found him, but we got a current apartment.
那场面就像约翰韦恩的电影 This was a John Wayne production number, that John did.
约翰拿了一根保龄球瓶 嘴上叼一根大雪茄… He got a bowling pin, and he got a big cigar...
他身高差不多有193公分 and John was 6'4" or something like this.
他并非真的拿球瓶打狄伦… And he wasn't ever intending to hit Dylan with the bowling pin or anything...
不过他确实生气地挥着球瓶 but he was really gonna do the bit.
约翰把球瓶高举过头 大声吼着… John just started waving the bowling pin over his head, and just saying:
“我要揍你一顿，我的唱片呢？” "I'm gonna beat the hell out of you. Where are my records?"
狄伦一开始显得很害怕 And Dylan was very scared for the first time around this routine went.
但他还是力求镇定… But he maintained his cool somehow...
接着好像变成一场荒谬剧… and it somehow settled into sort of an absurdist drama...
他们的谈话变得很可笑 where they would sort of talk.
狄伦讲些很有意思的事 约翰很有兴趣的听着… Dylan would say something interesting, and John would get interesting...
然后二人开始交谈起来 好像开始惺惺相惜似的 and they'd start to talk, and they'd start to sort of like each other a little bit.
然后约翰想起他是来干嘛的… Then John would remember why he was there...
于是又开始挥舞保龄球瓶 and he'd start brandishing the pin again.
整幕闹剧又重头上演 And they'd play the whole scene out again.
我想到东岸拜访伍迪葛西 I wanted to get to the East Coast to visit Woody Guthrie.
当我初次听到他的音乐 我不知道他是否还活着 When I first heard him, I didn't know if he was dead or alive, really.
后来我发现他还活着… But then I discovered that he was definitely alive...
只不过住在医院… and he was in a hospital...
他有某种病痛 with some kind of ailment.
所以我觉得应该去探望他 So I thought it'd be a nice gesture to go visit him.
那时候搭便车旅行相当普遍 Hitchhiking back then was very acceptable. I had a suitcase and a guitar.
我背着行李和吉他
口袋大概只有十块钱 And I don't know, maybe I had $ 10 in my pocket.
琼拜雅
琼拜雅真是惊人 Joan Baez, she was staggering.
她用另一种角度 震撼了我的世界 Kind of like hit my world from a different angle.
她演奏百分之百的民谣音乐 She was completely about folk music.
一个非常优秀的吉他手 She was an excellent, really excellent guitar player.
当我在电视上看到她 心里开始在想… When I saw her on television, I thought, you know, like:
“这女孩需要一个唱歌的伙伴” "That girl looks like she might need a singing partner. "
我心里一直留有这样的印象 I'd say she was someplace in the back of my mind, you know.
让讯息在此时此地传出去… Let the word go forth from this time and place...
传给朋友和敌人… to friend and foe alike...
让火把继续传递 到新世代的美国人手里 that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans.
不要问国家为你做了什么 Ask not what your country can do for you.
而是问你能为国家做些什么 Ask what you can do for your country.
纽约市-1961
我在华盛顿大桥下了车… Got out of the car on George Washington Bridge...
转乘地铁到格林威治村 took the subway down to the Village.
前往《哇咖啡？》俱乐部 看着那里的群众 Went to the Caf?Wha? I looked out at the crowd.
我好像在舞台边问人… I most likely asked from the stage:
“有什么地方可以让我们 在今晚落脚歇息的？” "Does anybody know where a couple of people could stay tonight?"
那是格林威治的旧村庄 20年代的波希米亚风… It was in old Greenwich Village, which was the '20s bohemia...
那是一段值得尊敬的历史 and had a very venerable history.
我1948年到那边… I first came down in 1948...
艾伦金斯堡
颈上围着印花手帕… with a red bandana around my neck...
坐上地铁出发… on the subway to go...
希望遇到几个诗人… to see if I could find poets...
在格林威治村那边 in Greenwich Village.
那边曾有许多诗人 But there had been poets.
我大概是1952或53年去的 那时还是个小孩子 I probably came into the Village around 1952 or '53. I was a kid.
戴凡隆克
我住在皇后区 不是非常喜欢那里 I was living in Queens, not liking it very much.
我却非常喜欢 那里相当老成世故 And for me, it was very sophisticated. I liked that.
我那时开始接触爵士 I was into jazz at the time.
我不喜欢民谣音乐 我比较绅士派头 I didn't like the folk music thing much at all, I was very snobbish.
街道对面就是尼克的店 Over across the street, there was Nick's.
我就在那边遇到东尼史帕哥 I actually met Tony Spargo...
他在史上第一张爵士唱片中 担任鼓手 who was the drummer on the very first jazz records...
那是1917年 迪克西兰爵士乐团的录音 with the Original Dixieland Jazz Band, in 1917.
我小时候那里是一个 很懒散的地方 When I was young, it was a very laid-back place...
玛丽亚玛道
许多不同种族混杂在一起 intermingled with various ethnic groups were lots of what we called bohemians...
有很多被称为波希米亚人的 颓废派…
在那边发展艺术，或纯粹遛遛狗 doing their art, walking their dogs.
像肯雅各的 “Star Spangled to Death”
那时候有很好的创作环境 只是我没有… There was a wonderful creative climate there although I didn't...
没注意到这点 但那里确实是艺术的中心… I wasn't fully aware of it, but it was the center of the art world...
艺术的事件 初期的艺术运动 happenings, the first art movements were going on.
都在这里上演 It was all there.
突然间你可以自由脱掉衣服 You were suddenly able to take your clothes off.
你可以卸下家庭的锁链… You were suddenly free of all the shackles of family...
家的桎梏… the baggage...
丢掉传统，不好的传统 of tradition, of bad tradition.
我试图寻找自由 但整个美国都找不到自由 I was looking for freedom, but freedom didn't exist all over America.
自由只在格林威治村 才找得到 Freedom only existed, really, here in the Village, in Greenwich Village.
美国，我把全部给了你 现在我一无所有 "America, I've given you all, and now I'm nothing
美国，1956年的1月17日 仅剩的2块27毛钱 "America, two dollars and twenty-seven cents January 17, 1956
我的心灵再也无法忍受 "I can't stand my own mind
美国，我们何时才会结束 这场人类战争？ "America, when will we end the human war?
去你妈的原子弹 "Go fuck yourself with your atom bomb.
我的感觉很差，别来烦我 "I don't feel good; don't bother me
“我不再写诗 直到我有好心情” "I won't write my poem until I'm in my right mind"
关键性的重大突破… The big breakthrough...
发生在麦杜格街上 一家从前的同志酒吧 was in an ex-gay bar on MacDougal Street...
我想是在1958或59年 那家酒吧… formerly the MacDougal Street Bar, I think this was '58 or '59...
叫做煤气灯 then called The Gaslight.
最初的诗歌朗诵会 就在这类的咖啡馆或酒吧… And it was the first poetry reading in one of these sort of coffee shop/bars...
大众的咖啡馆酒吧举行 sort of a folk club/coffee shop/bar.
那时报纸的社会版 有个惊人的报导… And it was so astonishing that there was a story on Page 3...
整个版面都在讲 “咖啡馆的读诗会” a whole page in the Daily News: "Poets Reading in the Coffee Shop."
美国，你死后能否上天堂？ "America, when will you be angelic?
你何时褪下人间的衣裳？ "When will you take off your clothes?
你何时要躺在坟墓 省视自己？ "When will you look at yourself through the grave?
你何时才配得上 追随托洛斯基的百万人民？ "When will you be worthy of your million Trotskyites?
美国，为何你的文化书库 充满泪水？ "America, why are your libraries full of tears?
美国，何时你又要把同胞 派到印度送死？ "America, when will you send your eggs to India?
我厌倦你的疯狂要求 "I'm sick of your insane demands.
何时我才能上市场… "When can I go into the supermarket and buy what I need with my good looks?"
“愉快采买自己的需求？”
下个街区就是山瑞墨酒吧 Down the block here was the San Remo.
每个周末夜晚 会上演火爆的争辩… And every Saturday night you'd have the riots...
史达林和托洛斯基 的拥护者吵翻天 between the Stalinists and the Trotskyites.
玻璃四处飞之类的 Glasses flying, that sort of thing.
楼上有只母老虎 一天到晚敲地板… There's an old bitch upstairs who keeps pounding the floor...
她一直威胁着要去报警 and she's threatening to call the police all the time.
我们常在那边的酒吧 和作家詹姆士鲍得温厮混 We used to be out at the bar here with James Baldwin, the writer.
他常一边喷烟一边说… And he used to puff smoke:
“去他的爱尔兰音乐！” "This goddamn Irish music!"
然后全场会跟着一起唱… And the whole place would erupt:
约翰柯汉
早期的华盛顿广场… In Washington Square, early days, it was just a place...
只是民众假日闲晃、聊天 演奏音乐的地方… for people to hang out on Sundays and talk and play music...
有点像是一个 让你表达思想的地方 and kind of jockey around and express themselves.
那里会聚集很多人… It was a place where you could put it together so someone could hear a little bit.
所以能找到不少听众
那时候没有太多演唱会 There weren't many concerts in those days.
玛丽亚玛道
首先在村内的咖啡馆 开始有小型的歌唱表演 People were starting to play little gigs in these coffeehouses in the Village.
我们称之为竹篮馆 We called them basket houses.
演出并没有酬劳 但是会传递一个小面包篮… We didn't get paid a dime but we would pass a little bread basket around...
在表演结束以后 让人们投入零钱… after the set and people would throw change in...
然后我们收拾吉他 又到下一家俱乐部演唱 and then we'd pack up our guitars and go round to the next club.
咖啡馆会穿插歌手表演… They'd put the singers on in between beat poets to turn the house, essentially.
让原本的诗歌朗诵会 带动热烈的气氛
所以大概可以… So you'd get...
演唱三首歌 three songs, you could sing three songs.
后来演变成… And what it came down to is...
如果三首歌唱完 还有人无动于衷的坐着… if at the end of your three songs there was still anybody seated...
你就被开除 表示你的演出不佳 in the house, you were fired. You weren't doing your job.
不必说，我们当然没被开除 我们很能唱 Needless to say, we didn't get fired. That we could do.
新城市漫游者
当我们在城里演出 谁才是观众族群？ When we played in the city, who was the audience?
在麦杜格大街走来走去的 究竟是哪些人？ Who were those people walking up and down MacDougal Street?
人真的很多 There was a lot of them.
有些人来自市郊 他们想看这个怪地方 Some were people from the suburbs coming in to look at the weird scene.
有些是城里人 特地过来见识的 Some were from the city looking at the weird scene.
有些根本就是这里的人 Some were the weird scene.
很难分辨哪个是观众 哪个才是歌手 It was never clear that this was the audience and this was the singer.
也许有半数的观众 只要他们喜欢的话… Because maybe half the audience if they had their druthers...
他们也可以上台唱歌 这真的非常有趣 they'd be up on the stage singing as well. It was very interesting.
地上的床 地上的床
正片100狄伦
巴布狄伦的第一部片 纽约市
我准备在纽约发展 I was ready for New York.
我一到那边就开始演奏 也立刻了解… I started playing immediately and I realized right away...
自己果然来对了 因为这里有许多表演的地方 that I'd come to the right place, because there were many places to play.
我和佛莱迪尼尔一起演出 他当时在那边很红 I played with Freddy Neil. He was a big star down there.
我大概表演到八点结束 他会尽可能帮我 I did that until about 8:00, he would give me what he could.
那里最忙的高峰大概是 十二点到八点… The place was usually packed from 12:00 to 8:00...
游客把店里塞得满满的 还有出来吃午餐的秘书等等 with tourists and lunch-hour secretaries.
过了八点以后 其它的俱乐部都开张了… And then at 8:00 all the rest of the houses would open...
你就可以传递面包篮 开始晚上的演出 where you'd pass the basket and play.
来看看 Check it out.
会有人在门外吆喝 以便招揽顾客 There'd be a carny on the street bringing people down.
嘿！你一定要进来看看这个 "You know, you gotta come down here and see this.
“我保证你这辈子都没看过” "There's so much weirdness you've never seen in your life. "
人们总是来来去去的 Just always, there'd be people coming and going.
我就读牛津大学… I have studied at Oxford University...
我在大英博物馆作研究… I've done my research at the British Museum...
现在又拿到 布鲁克林学院的入学许可 and have matriculated at Brooklyn College.
地上洒满木屑，准备敲游客竹杠… Sawdust on the floor, tourist traps...
有人朗诵诗词，有人演唱歌曲 肩上还站着一只鹦鹉… like, a poet, somebody singing a song with a parrot on a shoulder...
各种稀奇古怪的演出 Tiny Tim-type characters.
没有人记录过那些演出 No one who had any recordings out ever played them.
你只能尽力表演 You only played those if you had to.
你会希望让人印象深刻 You would have to make an impression on somebody.
当时有许多歌手都很好… There were many, many singers who were good...
但观众就是不会 特别记住谁 but they couldn't focus their attention on anybody.
他们对歌手没什么特别印象 They couldn't really get inside somebody's head.
你必须让别人记住你 You gotta be able to pin somebody down.
他很特别，所以我记得他 I remember him because he was different. He was doing Woody Guthrie songs.
他唱伍迪葛西的歌曲
头上顶着小帽，还戴着牙齿矫正器 He had on a little hat, he had a brace.
他有一种果决的特质… There's a quality of determination...
有些人就有这种决心… and of will that some people have...
布鲁斯兰格宏恩
当他们在做一件事 他们是认真以赴的… where when they're doing something, they're really doing it...
你就知道不能小看这些人 and you know that you have to pay attention to them.
第一次遇到巴布是 1961年的冬天 I first met Bob in the winter of 1961.
我们都很笨拙 二个人都不知该说什么 We were awkward. Neither of us really knew quite what to say.
马克史波特拉
然后他抽出一张卡片 So as a prop he pulled out this card.
好像他走过来 就是要给我卡片 And he was moving his leg like that and he just hands me the card.
当他把卡片交给我后 他瞄了瞄我… And after he handed it to me he kind of glances and then...
然后聊起伍迪葛西等等 continues to sort of talk about Woody Guthrie.
卡片上写的是“我还没死” 上面有伍迪葛西的签名 And on the card it said, "I ain't dead yet," signed, Woody Guthrie.
那确实是伍迪葛西的笔迹… And it was actually Woody's handwriting, I guess, because Bob claimed it was.
至少巴布是这样说的
伍迪对我们二个影响很大 Like, Woody was very important to both of us.
巴布比我还想成为伍迪第二 Bob, I think, wanted to be more like Woody than I did.
他很能适应剧场的特性 He was able to adopt a kind of theater about himself.
事实上我第一次遇到他 他就是在演戏 Actually, the very first time that I met him, he was really acting, in a way.
那样很好，因为当你扮演别人 你就可以随性而行 And that was good because you can go anywhere when you're somebody else.
Cinderella, she seems so easy
"It takes one to know one," she smiles
And puts her hands into her back pockets
Bette Davis style
And in comes Romeo, he's moaning
"You Belong to Me, I Believe"
And someone turns and says to him
"My friend, you'd better leave"
And the only sound that's left
after the ambulances go
is Cinderella sweeping up
on Desolation Row
Now the moon is almost hidden
The stars, they're just pretending to hide
The fortune-telling lady
has even taken all her things inside
All except for Cain and Abel
And the Hunchback of Notre Dame
Everyone is either making love
or else expecting rain
And the Good Samaritan, he's dressing
He's getting ready for the show
He's going to the carnival tonight
on Desolation Row
-我要马上见这个人 -什么？ - I want to see this person immediately. - What?
谁要射杀我？ Whoever's gonna shoot me.
房里有猎枪吗？
你怎么发现的，亚伯特？ How do you find that out, Albert?
他们在门口打电话 只是个恶作剧
打电话给售票亭 说他们要杀我 Phoned the box office and they say they're gonna shoot me.
他们常这样吗？ Do they do this often?
我不介意被枪杀 但我不喜欢被事先告知 I don't mind being shot, man, but I don't dig being told about it.
天啊！我真不敢相信 Man, I can't believe that.
-别担心，麦奇，我会保护你 -但愿如此 - Don't worry, Mickey. I'll protect you. - I hope so.
天啊 God.
不要叫我别逼得太紧 我在担心被杀的事 Don't tell me not to push too hard, man. I'm worried about getting shot.
我不会逼太紧 I'm not gonna push too hard.
他显然在追随伍迪葛西的脚步 Obviously, he was channeling Woody Guthrie.
一心一意的跟随他 仿效他的一切 He was literally channeling him and everything about him.
我认为这是他试着 完全了解葛西的方法… And I think it was part of his way of finding who he was in the end...
苏西罗托罗
藉由不断的揣摩伍迪葛西… by imitating and assimilating Woody Guthrie.
我找到伍迪葛西在哪里 于是搭上巴士到莫利斯城 So I found out where Woody Guthrie was, and I took a bus out to Morristown.
我认为那是一所精神疗养院 Basically, I think it was an insane asylum.
我心里在想，把他关在精神病院 实在很悲哀… I thought about it later, it was a sad thing, they put him in a mental home...
他只是比较神经质而已 because he just had the jitters.
他要我演奏一些歌曲 我照做了 He asked for certain songs and I'd play them.
当时我年轻善感 我想我真的震惊 I was young and impressionable and I think I must have been shocked...
发现他竟然在精神病院 in some kind of way to find him where I found him.
约翰谢勒斯兄弟
约翰谢勒斯兄弟是 葛地民谣城的庆典主持人 Brother John Sellers, he was the master of ceremonies at Gerde's Folk City.
那里有所谓的… And there was one night called Hootenanny Night where anybody could play.
民歌之夜 每个人都能上台演出
我们每个星期一都去那里 We'd go down there every Monday night.
彼德拉法
彼德拉法有点像西部牛仔 印地安人… Peter LaFarge, who was sort of a cowboy/Indian...
还有西斯科休斯顿 and Cisco Houston.
许多伍迪葛西迷都在那里出没 A lot of the old Woody Guthrie crowd was still hanging out there.
西斯科休斯顿
我们会仔细聆听 挑出表演实在的歌手 We just watched and we picked out the performers that were doing it for real...
试着从他们身上 学到那些特质 and tried to pick up what the essence of what they were doing was.
大家对舞台上其他的演出者 都很有兴趣 All of us were interested in seeing what the other guy was doing onstage...
因为从那里 可以学到很多东西 because there was a lot more to be learned...
不光是歌曲和弹奏技巧而已 than just songs or picking styles.
戴凡隆克的音乐风格很强… Dave Van Ronk, he had that big gruff thing...
但同时非常甜美感性 but he had this very sweet, sensitive thing going on at the same time.
他是具备双重特性的表演者 He was a dichotomy of a performer.
他能抓住歌曲的本质… He could take the essence of the song...
从本质精神去演绎歌曲 and only go after that, not go after the frills.
在自由表演的周一夜晚 巴布狄伦通常会出现… On Monday nights, Bob Dylan used to come over there...
他总是… and he would always, like...
像在里面闲晃 He was always just hanging around.
有时你会想对他说 “走开点” Sometimes you wanted to say, "Go away."
克兰西兄弟 汤米麦坎
连恩很有深度 Liam was profound.
除了那些叛逆歌曲… Besides all of his rebel songs...
还有表演事业 他讲话也很有智慧 and his acting career, he would have these incredible sayings.
有一次他喝了14公升的啤酒 之后对我说… Like once he said to me after about 30 pints of Guinness...
记住，巴布，没有恐惧… he was saying, "Remember, Bob, no fear...
“没有嫉妒，没有恶意” "no envy, no meanness."
我就说： “对” I said, "Right."
我听过克兰西兄弟 一些振奋、反抗的歌曲… What I heard in the Clancy Brothers was rousing, rebel songs...
有拿破仑般的气势 Napoleonic in scope.
他们就像军队的步兵 And they were just these Musketeer-type characters.
可是他们又有另一层次 浪漫民谣的一面… And then on the other level you had the romantic ballads that would just...
汤米麦坎和连恩的甜美歌声 那种温柔会杀死你 slay you right in your tracks, the sweetness of Tommy Makem and Liam.
就好像挥着剑斩去你的头 却又感伤哭泣 It was just like, take a sword, cut off your head, and then weep.
那就是他们的特质 That's sort of what they were about.
我看到的杰出艺人… All the great performers that I'd seen...
让我想起而效之的演出者… who I wanted to be like were those kind of performers...
他们都有个共通点… they all had one thing in common:
就是他们的眼神 It was in their eyes.
他们的眼神仿佛在说… Now, there was something in their eyes that would say:
“我知道一些你不知道的事” 我想成为那样的表演者 "I know something you don't know," and I wanted to be that kind of performer.
I am a man of constant sorrow
I've seen trouble all my days
I'll say goodbye to Colorado
Where I was born and partly raised
Through this open world I'm a-bound to ramble
Through ice and snow, sleet and rain
I'm a-bound to ride that morning railroad
Perhaps I'll die upon that train
他在某次派对演奏… He was playing at some party or something and it was like a whole different guy.
看起来和以往完全不同
就好像故事中的忧郁男子… You hear those stories about the blues men...
走到人生十字路口 拿灵魂和魔鬼交易… who go out to the crossroads and sell their soul to the devil...
回来以后 整个人的作为都不一样了… and come back, all of a sudden able to do stuff...
罗伯强森、汤米强森之类的神话 Robert Johnson, Tommy Johnson, that whole mythology.
就像发生了那样的事 It was one of those kind of deals, almost.
他离开明尼阿波里斯的时候 还很平庸 When he left Minneapolis he was just average.
当时有五、六个人 都在做相同的表演 There was five, six other guys doing the same thing.
但是当他回来以后 他很像伍迪… When he came back he was doing Woody...
他还能唱凡隆克 他弹一手好吉他 and he was doing Van Ronk and he was fingerpicking.
还能同时吹民谣口琴 才几个月就有这样的改变 He was playing cross harp, and this is a matter of a couple of months.
他又不是离开一年或更久 I mean, this is not like he was gone a year or anything.
才离开几个月 就学会这么多东西 He was gone a couple of months and apparently whatever he got into...
现在他很有特色 就像一个值得关注的艺人 he got into so intensely that he was like a real interesting performer.
那是因为我走到一个转折点 并做出重大改变 That's when I went to the crossroads and made a big deal.
就像一夕之变… You know, like...
然后我回到明尼阿波里斯… One night and then went back to Minneapolis...
让人纳闷： 嘿！这家伙之前去了哪里？ and it was like, "Hey, where's this guy been?
“竟然有这么大的转折” "You've been to the crossroads."
我没有再去看伍迪葛西 I wasn't seeing Woody Guthrie anymore.
虽然我还在唱他的歌… I was still singing a lot of his songs...
但是突然之间 我开始唱别的歌曲代替 but I'd replaced them with a lot of the other songs, all of a sudden.
就好像我顺利走过那段 伍迪葛西的迷恋期 I kind of went through Woody Guthrie in a kind of way.
但我并不想完全丢弃伍迪葛西 But I didn't really want to go through Woody Guthrie.
我不想从此忘得一干二净 I didn't want to feel that it was something just negligible.
Hey, hey, Woody Guthrie, I wrote you a song
About a funny ol' world that's a-coming along
Seems sick and it's hungry, it's tired and it's torn
It looks like it's a-dyin'
and it's hardly been born
但我真的关心 我很想描述… But I really cared, I really wanted to portray my gratitude in some kind of way.
我的感激之情
但是我知道不会再回去 那栋灰色的石造病院 But I knew that I was not gonna be going back to Greystone anymore.
我只是觉得必须写出这首歌 我不认为自己是词曲创作者 I felt like I had to write that song. I did not consider myself a songwriter at all.
但是我必须写这首歌 也必须演唱它 But I needed to write that and I needed to sing it.
这就是我必须写这首歌的原因 So that's why I needed to write it.
因为还没有一首歌 可以代表我想说的话… 'Cause it hadn't been written and that's what I needed to say, I needed to say that.
我必须自己来
Here's to Cisco and Sonny and Lead Belly, too
And to all the good people that traveled with you
Here's to the hearts and the hands of the men
that come with the dust
and are gone with the wind
这家伙走进来 So this guy comes in.
看起来不太讨人喜欢 我对他没什么兴趣 He didn't look too prepossessing. He didn't look too interesting to me.
看起来不够狂野… He didn't look wild or...
就是一个普通小子 He looked like an ordinary kid.
他没有震撼全场的气势 He didn't have the commanding presence.
然后他说： “我有些歌想让你听” And he said, "Listen, I got some songs I wanted you to hear."
我心想： “天啊！你明天来吧？” So I was, "Oh, God. Can you come tomorrow?"
我说： “滚开” 他回答： “不，我要唱首歌给你听” I says, "Get out of here." He says, "No, I want to sing you a song."
所以我让他唱完歌 然后赶他离开… So I let him sing the song, then I kick him out...
然后他一次又一次回来 then he comes back, then he came back.
后来我开始向别人介绍他 我说… And then I started pointing to people, I said, "Listen, see that guy in the back room?
看到他没有？
他的名字是巴布狄伦 你该听听他唱歌 "His name is Bob Dylan. You should listen to him.
“他写的歌真不错 他很棒” "The guy's writing good songs. He's terrific."
他说他没听过民谣这个字 直到… He told me he never knew the word folk music...
去过纽约才了解 真是胡说！ before he came to New York City. What bullshit, God!
伊济杨 民谣中心馆主
去纽约前…
And he'd never seen somebody playing a banjo before he came to New York City.
也没看过斑鸠琴演奏
反正去纽约之前 他什么都不知道就对了 He'd never seen all these things before he came to New York City.
民谣音乐让他大开眼界… It opened his eyes up wide to what folk music is...
他在密西西比河一带讨生活 才深深了解这点 after having lived on the Mississippi River and everything.
1941年我生于明尼苏达州德鲁镇 之后搬到新墨西哥州的盖洛普 "I was born in Duluth, Minnesota, in 1941. Moved to Gallup, New Mexico.
到目前为止… "Then, until now...
住过爱荷华、南达科他、堪萨斯 北达科他等州 "lived in Iowa, South Dakota, Kansas, North Dakota, for a little bit.
“从十四岁起就在游乐场 演奏吉他和钢琴” "Started playing in carnivals when I was 14 with guitar and piano."
亚维拉葛瑞教他蓝调歌曲… "Arvella Gray taught him blues songs...
就是四、五年前从芝加哥来的 街头盲眼歌手 "a blind street singer from Chicago, about four or five years ago.
曾认识德州纳瓦索达的 曼斯利斯寇 "Used to know a guy named Mance Lipscomb, from Navasota, Texas.
“听过他很多作品 透过他那摇滚乐手的孙子认识的” "Listened to him a lot. Met him through his grandson, a rock 'n' roller."
有芝加哥的亚维拉葛瑞… Now, listened to Arvella Gray in Chicago...
德州的曼斯利斯寇… Mance Lipscomb in Texas...
我应该要立刻明白 他根本在骗我 I should have figured out right away, he's bullshitting me.
我稍后才发现… And I only found out later...
他向汤尼葛洛维借了四百张唱片… that he had borrowed 400 records from Tony Glover...
一直都没有归还 or something like that, which he still hasn't returned.
诸如此类的事 And things like that.
所以我被骗了，我很好骗 但是我以自己为荣 So I was a setup, a very easy setup, and I'm proud of it.
因为他的歌写得很好 我根本不在意他说谎唬我 Because the guy wrote good songs. I didn't care what he was telling me.
可容纳三千人的船 I saw it advertised one day
A Bear Mountain picnic was comin' my way
却有四千人想挤上船 导致九人受伤 Come along with us and take a trip
We'll transport you up there on a ship
带太太和小孩来-全家欢乐 Bring the wife and kids
Fun for all
Yippee
这里的老板让我试演二个星期 The owner of the place finally gave me a two-week run.
约翰李胡克与巴布狄伦
他让我帮李胡克暖场 He had me open for John Lee Hooker.
Well, it don't seem to me quite so funny
What some of these people are gonna do for money
There's a brand new gimmick every day
Just to take somebody's money away
我不觉得这代表任何进展 I didn't really feel like I was making a step forward anywhere.
事情是自然而然的发生 Things were taking its natural course.
民谣中心-巴布狄伦
11月4日 巴布狄伦即将演唱 Now, November 4, Bob Dylan will be singing.
纽约电台访问
这是相当重要的盛事 And that should be a very eventful occasion.
巴布在明尼苏达的德鲁镇出生… Bob was born in Duluth, Minnesota...
但是巴布，你不是在德鲁镇长大 对不对？ but, Bob, you weren't raised in Duluth, were you?
我在新墨西哥州的盖洛普镇长大 I was raised in Gallup, New Mexico.
你在那边学会很多歌吗？ And did you get many songs there?
那边有很多西部歌曲 还有印地安歌曲 Got a lot of cowboy songs there. Indian songs.
Well, I'm gonna get you, Sally gal
I'm gonna get you, Sally gal
一开始我没有什么野心 直到我越来越认真做音乐 I didn't start to have any ambition until I started working more and more.
我好奇唱片是怎么录制的 我想知道这些 I wondered how people recorded. I wondered how you get to do that.
俱乐部里有许多星探 There were always talent scouts in the clubs.
从来没有人找我灌唱片… No one had ever spoken to me directly about making any records...
所以我认为他们对我没兴趣 so I just assumed they'd passed on me.
近年来新崛起的声音 最重要的是… The most important new vocal personality of recent years:
强尼麦提斯，从哥伦比亚的幕后演唱 一跃而成耀眼的明星 Johnny Mathis, who vaulted over a Columbia microphone to stardom.
米契米勒 哥伦比亚唱片
我一直在寻找好歌 优秀耐听的曲子… I always looked for songs that had a kind of excellence, lasting quality...
让艺人可以用优美的歌声 演唱出来 and artists who produced a beautiful sound with their voice.
1953年我负责哥伦比亚的 企宣统筹 From 1953, I was a head of A&R at Columbia.
那是开启一天的声音 That was the sound of the day.
人们希望听到优美的嗓音 唱出旋律同样优美的歌曲 People would want to hear a beautiful voice sing a melodic song.
-约翰，你要先来还是我？ -你先好了 - John, are you gonna do one, or was I? - You will.
好的，我先唱Man of Constant Sorrow然后弹齐特琴 Okay. I'll do Man of Constant Sorrow then with the autoharp.
我们替唱片公司录音 We recorded for Folkways.
用以抵清债务 完全没有商业考量… We lived in the clear, pure light of non-commercial...
相当值得纪念的唱片 却没什么获利价值 long-playing, short-selling records for Folkways.
我从唱片学来的 这是南方山区… I learned it from a record that was made down in the Southern mountains...
20年代晚期的曲子 in the late 1920s.
我们代表一种理想 原谅我的说法… We also seemed to represent some idea about, excuse the expression...
一种正直，我们主张真诚实在的音乐 integrity, or standing for something authentic or real in music.
我们演奏他人的音乐… We were always pointing to other people's music...
演唱老歌手的曲子 阿帕拉契山区的蓝调 pointing to old singers, Appalachian singers, blues singers.
我们普遍被认为是… I think we were set up as a...
美善的化身 pillar of virtue.
民谣演唱会 不是商业性的演唱会… The folksinging scene was either commercial folksinging...
就是类似校园演唱会 哈利贝拉方提、四兄弟… for like a college kind of crowd: Harry Belafonte, Brothers Four...
他们就比较商业化 有自己的流行唱片 that commercial... They had records that were on the pop charts.
然后还有另外一群 比较知性的表演者 And then there was the other side, which was intellectual.
他们只是坐在那边演奏… People would just sit there, you know, I think...
而我的表演方式… And playing in the environment that I was playing in...
都不属于这二种 was neither of those.
我带他去唱片公司… I took him up to Folkways Records and that's written about in my notebook here...
我在笔记本写得很清楚…
他们对他很苛刻 根本不和他说话 where they treated him like shit. They wouldn't talk to him.
然后他写出“天啊 我大概来错地方” And he writes, "God, I thought I came into the wrong place."
民谣杂志碰壁 唱片公司也碰壁… Sing Out on the door, "Folkways" on the door...
莫艾希、艾文西佛都不要他 把他赶到街上 Moe Asch, Irwin Silber, rejects him, throw him out on the street.
他的心情很差 我心情也不好 And he really felt bad about it and I felt bad about it...
因为我不是每天在介绍新人 我只介绍过二个人 'cause I don't push people every day. I've only pushed two people in my life.
后来我带他去前锋唱片 找梅纳所罗门 I take him up to Maynard Solomon, at Vanguard Records.
他们也拒绝了 And they say no.
多年后我再问他们： “为何当初要拒绝他？” And many years later I said, "Why did you say no to him?"
他说： “伊济，前锋唱片 不会替怪胎出唱片” And he said, "Well, Izzy, we don't record freaks at Vanguard Records."
我说： 琼拜雅就不是怪胎 I said, "I see. Joan Baez, not a freak.
“其他人都不怪 怪胎只有巴布狄伦” "The other people not... Nobody's a freak, just Bob Dylan."
我和梅纳索罗门在视听室 I was standing in the audience with Maynard Solomon.
梅纳说： “你觉得他如何？” 我说： “很好呀！” Maynard says, "What do you think of him?" I said, "That's good!"
我问： “你自己觉得呢？” 他说： “太深刻了” I said, "What do you think of him?" He says, "It's too visceral."
约翰哈蒙
约翰发掘了比莉哈乐黛 盲童富乐、丽娜红恩 John discovered Billie Holiday, Blind Boy Fuller, Lena Horne...
贝西伯爵 Count Basie.
他有点戴门莱恩的个性 是不是这样说的？ Yeah, he was kind of like a Damon Runyon character. Is that the word?
好像百老汇的老牌明星 留着短短的发型 One of these old Broadway guys, buzz-cut haircut.
他许多方面都很特别 很热心的一个人 He was very special in a lot of ways. He was very enthusiastic.
他热爱音乐 浑身散发着音乐热情 He had great love of music, and it just radiated out of him.
我刚认识他的时候 《纽约时报》刚好有篇评论… When I met him, a review had just come out ofThe New York Times...
提到我前一个晚上 在葛地民谣城的演出 of the set I'd played at Gerde's the previous night.
哈蒙看过这篇文章 当场就问我… Hammond had seen the article and asked me right then and there...
是否愿意为哥伦比亚录唱片 whether I wanted to record for Columbia Records.
我简直不敢相信这是真的 谁想得到… I thought it was almost unreal. I mean, no one would think that...
像这种民谣音乐也可以 和哥伦比亚唱片合作 this kind of folk music would be recorded on Columbia Records.
约翰打电话给我 我在哥伦比亚办公室 John called me in my office at Columbia.
他说： “下来看看 我要你听听这个” He says, "Come on down, I want you to hear something."
他没有告诉我要听什么 反正我下楼找他 He didn't tell me who it was or anything. I come down.
就看到一个打扮整齐的小子 穿着靴子和皮夹克 There's this kid, all dressed up, with the boots and the suede jacket...
身上还架着口琴 and he had the harmonica on.
这小子在唱歌 有种沙哑的嗓音 And he was singing in this, you know, rough-edged voice.
我必须承认 我一点都不觉得这有什么 I will admit I didn't see the greatness of it.
他们录了当时最流行的歌曲… They recorded the popular hits of the day...
通常唱这些歌的人 嗓音都相当优美… of people usually with beautiful tones of voices...
而且编曲都很棒 and great arrangements.
我不知道他们对我的唱腔 有什么想法 I don't know what they thought of my stuff up there.
他没有好嗓子 他的音色实在不怎么样 He has no voice, I mean he doesn't produce a beautiful sound.
我以前都找班奈特 戴蒙和麦提斯那样的歌手 I was used to finding guys like Bennett and Damone and Mathis.
不过如果约翰哈蒙… But when somebody like John Hammond is so confident of somebody's talent...
对某人的才华如此有信心…
你必须尊重他的判断 相信他的过往经验 you have to respect that, for no other reason than his track record.
我没有把这件事告诉别人… I didn't tell anybody for a bit...
因为我还是不敢相信 自己会如此幸运 because I almost wasn't sure it was happening myself.
我还不想告诉别人 除非我真正… I don't think I really told anybody until I actually...
完成整个录音过程 went through with the sessions.
我第一次是从史密特那里听来的 I first heard this from Rick Von Schmidt.
他住在剑桥 He lives in Cambridge.
有一天我遇见他… I met him one day in...
就在哈佛大学的草地上 the green pastures of Harvard University.
我习惯从他处学习不同风格 I have a habit I picked up someplace along the way.
不管这么做好不好 我似乎不会… Whatever works for me, not to give that away...
轻易改变习惯 so easily, you know.
Baby, let me follow you down
Well, I'll do anything in this God almighty world
If you just let me follow you down
当我真的开始录第一张唱片… When I did make that first record...
我选了许多略知一二 但平常很少表演的歌曲 I used songs which I just knew but I hadn't really performed them a lot.
我想录制一些 突然想起的歌曲… I wanted just to record stuff that was off the top of my head...
看看会怎样 and see what would happen.
There is a house
down in New Orleans
They call The Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin
of many a poor girl
And me, oh, God, I'm one
我选录了The House of the Rising Sun这首歌 The House of the Rising Sun is on that record.
我没唱过这首… I'd never done that song before...
但是我每晚都听凡隆克在唱 but I heard it every night 'cause Van Ronk would do it.
我认为他这首歌真的很棒 So I thought he was really on to something with the song, so I just recorded it.
所以我拿来录音
巴布变动了几个和弦… Bobby picked up the chord changes...
虽然这是我写的歌 for the song from me.
但感觉就相当不同了 虽然歌词的部份… It really altered the song considerably, although the lyric was...
还是一模一样 House of the Rising Sun的词句… pretty much the straight House of the Rising Sun lyric...
还有旋律都是一样 and so was the melody.
当他唱这首歌 我记得那是他第一张唱片… And when he was doing, I guess it was his first album...
他问我是否介意… he asked me if I would mind...
如果他要灌唱我的 House of the Rising Sun if he recorded my version of House of the Rising Sun.
因为我自己也打算录这首歌 And I had some plans to record it.
所以我说： 天啊！巴布 我希望你不要用… So I said, "Well, gee, Bob, I'd rather you didn't...
“因为我自己也要录这首歌” "because I'm gonna record it myself soon."
然后巴布只说： “哦！糟了！” And Bobby said, "Oh-oh."
录音间带给我 不可思议的影响… The mystery of being in a recording studio did something to me...
这些歌曲就是这样来的 and those are the songs that came out.
Now the only thing
a gambler needs
is a suitcase and a trunk
当巴布录了这首歌 我只好停止演唱它… After he recorded it, I had to stop singing the song...
因为观众不断的… because people were constantly...
指控我抄袭巴布的唱片 accusing me of having got the song from Bobby's record.
这点就非常讨厌 Now that was very, very annoying.
但是我不能因此怪他 我没有怪他 But I couldn't blame that on him and I didn't.
只是一点小麻烦 没什么大不了的 The whole thing was a tempest in a teapot.
不过后来艾瑞克伯顿 和动物合唱团… Later on, when Eric Burdon and the Animals picked the song up from Bobby...
也选用巴布的曲子…
来灌录唱片，巴布说 他只好停止演唱那些歌… and recorded it, Bobby told me that he had had to drop the song...
因为大家也会指控他偷了 艾瑞克伯顿的歌！ because everybody was accusing him of ripping it off of Eric Burdon!
Feelin' funny in my mind, Lord
I believe I'm fixin' to die
当我拿到唱片马上放来听 然后我觉得心烦意乱 When I got the disk, I played it and I was highly disturbed.
我想把唱片丢掉 立刻重新录制一张 I just wanted to cross this record out and make another record immediately.
我觉得我选错歌… I thought I'd recorded the wrong songs...
而且我自己也写了不少歌 或许我应该… and I'd already written a few of my own, that I thought maybe...
录制自己的歌曲 唱片中的歌似乎有点过时 I should have stuck on there. I was way past that record.
一部份的我会想… Or part of me was just saying...
反正我又不想录这张唱片 我只是录了它… that I didn't want to record that record anyway, that I just did it...
我不想把唱片给人 那种感觉真的是… I didn't want to give away anything that was really...
对我来说很珍贵的东西 dear to me or something.
当巴布和哥伦比亚签约 这是街上的大消息 When Bobby signed with Columbia, it was big news on the street.
每个人都想有这种好运 Everybody wanted that.
只是人们不愿承认… People couldn't bring themselves to admit...
他们也有那种渴望 that they were that hungry.
他们把它变成道德的议题 他们必须这样做 They turned it into a moral issue. They had to.
否则就必须面对… Because otherwise they were going to have to take...
漫长的自我省视 而他们可能不喜欢看到的自己 long looks at themselves and might not like what they saw.
叛徒！
你怎么不听听自己，叛徒？
唱呀 Play.
Baby, let me follow you down
Well, I'd do anything in this God almighty world
If you just let me follow you down
I'll buy you a diamond ring
Yes, I'll buy you a wedding gown
I'll do anything in this God almighty world
If you just let me follow you down
Yes, I'd do anything in this God almighty world
If you just let me follow you down
艺人好像必须保持快乐风趣的形象… To think that entertainers always have to be happy and funny...
有点肤浅的表象 is kind of a shallow thing.
事实上我一直记得 巴布的名言… In fact, I've often remembered one of Bob's quotes is:
“快乐？每个人都可以快乐 快乐的目的是什么？” "Happy? Anybody can be happy. What's the purpose of that?"
皮特西格
墨西哥文的原名是 菲莉雅的芙萝蕊丝… The original Mexican name was La Feria de las Flores...
也就是花卉的节庆 The Festival of Flowers.
我开始认识老歌… The moment I became acquainted with old songs...
了解人们一直在老歌新唱 I realized people were always changing them.
这是由来以久的过程 可能数千年来都是如此 Think of it as an age-old process. It's been going on for thousands of years.
人们学会古老的歌曲 稍微变动一点… People take old songs, change them a little...
加点东西，让它更适合当代听众 每个领域都有人这样做 add to them, adapt them for new people. It happens in every other field.
法学家修改古老的法律 让它适用于现代的人民 Lawyers change old laws to fit new citizens.
所以我也是其中一环 其他数以万计的音乐家都是如此 So I'm one in this long chain and so are millions of other musicians.
伍迪是当中的重要里程碑 他作的歌曲… And Woody stepped right in that. He was always making up verses...
都是关于现实生活 活生生的人、真实事件 songs about real life, real people, real events.
他激发你创作写实的东西… The idea is that you make up a song about something real...
美少男佛洛德
不期望因此致富… don't expect that it'll ever make any money.
听众可能就是 有限的那几个… It may never be heard by more than a few dozen people, but who knows? Who knows?
但是谁知道？
我一直认为我们都是 伍迪的孩子 And I look upon us all as Woody's children.
巴布狄伦是… 我想你现在应该二十了吧 Bob Dylan is... Well, you must be 20 years old now, I assume.
是的，我应该二十岁了 Yeah, I must be 20.
辛西雅高汀 纽约市-1962年
-真的吗？ -没错，我20岁了 - Are you? - Yeah, I'm 20.
告诉我们关于 你创作的那些歌曲 Tell me about the songs that you've written yourself that you sing.
我不认为那些是民歌 I don't claim to call them folk songs or anything.
我通常叫它时代歌曲 I just call them contemporary songs.
Come you ladies and you gentlemen, a- listen to my song
Sing it to you right, but you might think it's wrong
Just a little glimpse of a story I'll tell
'Bout an East Coast city that you all know well
It's hard times from the country
Livin' down in New York town
Come you ladies and you gentlemen, listen to my song
传统的歌曲给我们灵感… The traditional songs gave us ideas...
加上借用一些 现实生活的态度… and attitudes about life that you could borrow from...
就可以构成自己的歌曲 that you could build your songs on.
I will not go down under the ground
好好把握！
'Cause somebody tells me that death's comin' round
到处都可以写歌 I wrote them anywhere I was.
搭地铁的时候 在咖啡馆或其它地方 You could write them on the subway or in a caf?or wherever.
和别人谈话的同时 我也可以创作… You could write them talking to somebody else...
潦草的在纸上快速写下来 and be scribbling down a song.
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground
“Daybreak Express” 潘尼贝克主唱
我第一次… The first time I think I ever saw him perform a topical song, he was singing...
看到他唱时事歌曲…
“在我死亡倒地之前 先让我穿上我的鞋” "Let me die with my boots on, before I go under the ground."
当时纽约人人有这种感觉 And that was a real feeling in New York at that time.
到处都在建造防空洞… People were building bomb shelters everywhere...
人民的生活就是在准备这些垃圾 and that we'll live out our lives in preparation for that kind of crap.
而我们位在格林威治村的正中央… And here we were in the middle of Greenwich Village...
就像这个大社会里的小脓疮… like a little pus pimple in the middle of this huge society...
仿佛在说： 这必须改变 saying, "This has gotta go.
“我们不要 不赞成这样的生活” "We don't... I don't agree with that. I'm not gonna live my life that way."
No more auction block for me
我在种族平等促进会工作 那是一段很特别的时光 I was working at CORE and that was an incredible time.
时常有人打电话进来 我的天啊… A call would come in, and people would say, "Oh, my God...
“某某某被打成烂泥 某某某现在进了医院” "so-and-so was beaten to a pulp and so-and-so's in the hospital. "
那是充满创伤的时代 These were traumatic times to live through.
我那时觉得这世界很疯狂… And just the way I felt was the insane... It was insane.
怎么会有这种事发生？ Why should this be happening?
我想巴布也有这种感觉 你就是无法这样生活 And I'm sure Bob had that same thing. You just can't live through this.
你不能活在自己的小世界 只关心自己的事… You live in your own little world and your own interests...
你不能对外头的世界视而不见 but the outer world is definitely part of it.
How many roads must a man walk down
before you call him a man?
Yes, and how many seas must a white dove sail
before she sleeps in the sand?
Yes, and how many times must the cannonballs fly
before they're forever banned?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind
我并不知道那首歌好不好 我只是写出我的感觉… I didn't really know if that song was good or bad or... It felt right.
但我真的不知道… But I didn't really know...
它会成为神圣经典的作品 that it had any kind of anthemic quality or anything.
How many years must a mountain exist
before it is washed to the sea?
我表演自己写的歌 I wrote the songs to perform the songs.
我需要唱出自己的语言 And I needed to sing, like, in that language.
一种我从没听过的语言 Which is a language that I hadn't heard before.
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind
他怎么会写出… How could he write:
“要走过多少道路 才能被当成真正的人？” "How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man?"
那正是我父亲经历过的 This is what my father went through.
他那个年代 黑人根本不算是个人 He was the one who wasn't called a man, you know.
玛维史黛坡
这家伙怎么会了解这些？ So, where is he coming from?
史黛坡合唱团
白人没有经历那段辛酸 White people don't have hard times.
我那时是这样想的 当时我只是个孩子 This was my thinking back then, because I was a kid, too.
他写的东西很有启发性… What he was writing was inspirational...
相当鼓舞人心的歌曲 you know, they were inspirational songs.
这种启发性简直和福音歌曲一样 And they would inspire. It's the same as gospel.
他写出事实 He was writing truth.
他写了不少好歌… By writing good songs...
他用容易了解的传统形式 写出当下最新的想法 and writing about contemporary ideas in traditional forms, which I understood.
感觉好像是今天才写的… And made it like was written today...
但听起来又像二百年前的老歌 but it sounded like it could have been written 200 years ago, also.
同时具备时代感和古老韵味的歌曲 It sounded current and old at the same time.
所以并不像皮特西格 演唱的方式… So it wasn't just like singing songs the way Pete Seeger would sing it...
他唱的那些歌很重要 you know, 'cause it's important that you sing these songs.
那些歌影响了我们 He sang songs that affected us.
Well, it ain't no use to sit and wonder why, babe
If'n you don't know by now
And it ain't no use to sit and wonder why, babe
It'll never do, somehow
When your rooster crows at the break of dawn
Look out your window and I'll be gone
You're the reason I'm travelin' on
But don't think twice, it's all right
我们没有固定居所 我们二个都像游牧民族 Neither one of us had a fixed place to live, we were both a bit nomadic.
所以我们像是有了 一个私密存在的地方 So we kind of had this private little existence, in a way.
我过着安静的生活 在东百老汇下城 I am leading a quiet life on Lower East Broadway
以前我是美国人 现在我是美国男孩 I was an American I am an American boy
我读《美国少年》杂志 我变成市郊的童子军 I read The American Boy magazine and became a Boy Scout in the suburbs
我以为我是汤姆索耶 我在布隆克斯河抓虾子 I thought I was Tom Sawyer, catching crayfish in the Bronx River
想像自己到了密西西比河 and imagining the Mississippi
劳伦斯费灵格帝 I had a baseball mitt and an American Flyer bike
“我有一个棒球手套 还有一辆脚踏车”
那时候一切都混在一起 Everything was meshed up at that time.
就好像用果汁机搅拌过 Everything was like just all in like a blender.
每个人对每件事都有兴趣 Everyone was interested in whatever was going on.
我住过许多人家里 他们家都有诗集… I stayed at a lot of people's houses which had poetry books...
大量的诗册… and poetry volumes...
我找到什么就读什么… and I'd read what I found...
我读魏仑和蓝波的诗… I found Verlaine poems or Rimbaud...
像《灵光集》的《醉舟》 you know, "Drunken Boat," Illuminations.
不管是舞台上那些 狂野的诗人… Whether it was these wild and crazy poets that were getting up on stage...
或是爵士酒吧中 即兴演唱的歌手… or whether it was a musician playing some riff in a jazz club...
蓝草音乐的小子 甚或古老的音乐… or some bluegrass guy, some old roots music...
你吸收过滤再吐出… it filters through you, you speak them when they come out verbally and you play them.
它变成你说出来的词句 你演奏出来的作品
我们所做的一切都是出于本能 We were doing things totally instinctively. It was an instinctive awakening.
一种自发的觉醒
各地时常出现闪电雷击 Lightning strikes every once in a while, in a different place.
没有人知道为什么 Nobody knows why.
古巴飞弹危机的那个晚上… The night of the Cuban Missile Crisis...
大家的感觉就像世界末日之类的 the general feeling was, the world was gonna end or something like that.
感觉很沉重 I mean, it's quite heavy.
我去煤气灯俱乐部 巴布也在那边 I walked into The Gaslight and Bob was there.
只有少数人在听他唱歌 Just a few people listening to him sing.
他说： 要不要一起来合唱几首歌？ He said, "Why don't you come up, we'll sing some songs together.
“我们来唱卡特家族的老歌You're Gonna Miss Me When I'm Gone” "Let's do that old Carter Family song: You're Gonna Miss Me When I'm Gone."
所以我演奏卡特家族的旋律 二人一起合唱 I was playing the nice Carter Family thing, and we're singing.
心里就想： 如果我们不在了 有谁会想我们？ And I'm thinking, "Who's gonna miss us when we're gone?
每个人都会有这么一天 "We're all gonna be gone, you know.
“我在讲什么？” "What the hell is this?"
Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son?
And where have you been, my darling young one?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains.
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways
I've stepped in the middle of seven sad forests
I've been out in front of a dozen dead oceans
I've been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard
拉法叶
it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
当我从印度回到美国西岸… When I got back from India, and got to the West Coast...
那时有个诗人查理布来梅尔… there was a poet, Charlie Plymell...
我在波里纳斯遇到他… at a party in Bolinas...
他放了一张唱片给我听 就是这个年轻的民谣歌手 played me a record of this new young folk singer.
当我听到… And I heard...
HardRain，我想我… Hard Rain, I think...
哭了出来 and wept.
因为我觉得… 'Cause it seemed that...
世代在交替… the torch had been passed...
现在交到了新的一代 to another generation.
从早期的放荡不羁或颓废… From earlier bohemian or beat...
到光明和自我激励 illumination and self-empowerment.
And what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son? And what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son?
And what'll you do now, my darling young one?
I'm a-going back out before the rain starts a-fallin'
And I'll head for the depths of the deepest dark forest
Where the people are many and their hands are all empty
Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters
And I'll tell it, and think it, and speak it, and breathe it
And reflect from the mountain so all souls can see it
Then I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin'
But I'll know my song well before I start singin'
And it's a hard, and it's a hard
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall
西藏佛教有句名言… A very famous saying among the Tibetan Buddhists:
“如果学生无法超越老师 那这个老师很失败” "If the student is not better than the teacher, then the teacher is a failure."
我对他的说服力惊讶无比 And I was really knocked out by the eloquence.
特别像是“在我还没开口唱之前 我已深深了解我的歌” Particularly, "I'll know my song well before I start singing."
还有“心灵在歌中找到共鸣” And, "Where all souls shall reflect it."
或者像“站在高山上 让每个人都听见” Or you know, "Stand on the mountain where everybody can hear."
简直就像圣经箴言一样 It's sort of this biblical prophecy.
诗词的力量足以憾动人心… Poetry is words that are empowered that make your hair stand on end...
你会立刻体会到 一些主观的事实… that you recognize instantly as being some form of subjective truth...
但里面也有客观的事实存在 因为某些读者会了解你的意思 that has an objective reality to it, because somebody's realized it.
之后就可以称之为诗了 Then you call it poetry later.
就说你唱的这首Hard Rain's Gonna Fall Take this one you sang, this Hard Rain's Gonna Fall.
特克尔-芝加哥电台
虽然它也许表现你对原子风暴的感受 Even though it may have come out of your feelings about atomic rain.
不，它不是指原子风暴 虽然有些人也许这样解读 No, it wasn't atomic rain, no. Somebody else thought that, too.
-但这首歌不是 -请继续说 - It's not atomic rain. - Go ahead.
-只是一阵倾盆大雨，不是原子弹 -倾盆大雨 - It's just a hard rain. It's not atomic rain. - Hard rain.
你的歌曲似乎都比真实事件… All your songs are about more than the actual event...
来得更深远 that may have caused it.
-你懂我意思吗？ -我不按特定时事写歌 - You know what I mean? - I'm not a topical songwriter.
-所以你不是时事作曲家？ -不是，我甚至不太喜欢这个名词 - So you're not a topical songwriter. - No, I don't really even like that word.
我是说，它不是一首 描述特定事件的歌曲 I mean, it's not a song about a certain event.
-没错，就是这样 -它更甚于此 - Yeah, it's not, no. - It's beyond that.
到处流传着民间用语… The folk idiom is so widespread...
随便撷取一小部份 就可以拿来作一首歌 that you could take any part of it and rework a song.
我从来不觉得 我有打破什么传统 I never thought I was breaking through anything.
我利用现存的形式创作 I was just working with an existing form that was there.
我没有发明任何 无人尝试过的东西… I was definitely not inventing anything that hadn't been tried before...
只是撷取部份再造而已 some part of the picture, you know.
滚回家啦
请自我克制一下 这个开了吗？ You must learn to control yourselves. Is this on?
测一下，理查？ Check. Richard?
巴布下台
麦克风开了吗？理查 Is this mike on? Richard.
把麦克风关了如何？
You walk into the room
With your pencil in your hand
You see somebody naked
You say, "Who is that, man?"
You try so hard
But you don't understand
Just what you'll say when you get home
Yes, because you know something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you
Mr. Jones?
You have many contacts
Out there among the lumberjacks
To get you facts
When someone attacks your imagination
But nobody has any respect
Anyway, they just expect
You to take your check
And give them to tax-deductible
Charity organization
不要再嘘我了，那些嘘声 天啊！我不能忍受了 Don't boo me anymore. Don't boo me. God, that booing, I can't stand it.
天啊！有嘘声实在很难调音 Oh, my God. It's hard to get in tune when they're booing.
是啊，他们嘘的时候 我根本没法调音 Yeah, I can't get in tune at all when they're booing.
我听不到别的声音 我甚至不想调音演唱了 I can't hear anything. I don't even want to get in tune.
当他们从鼻腔这里吼叫 When they yell in this weird nasal tone from here.
天啊，我不懂他们怎么 那么快就买光入场卷 Jesus, you know, I don't understand how can they buy the tickets up so fast.
我是说，唉，关灯吧 - I mean, you know. Let's get that light off. - Turn the light off.
把灯关掉
巴布狄伦，哥伦比亚唱片公司 全新的… Bobby Dylan, CBS label, brand new one...
卡洛琳音乐排行榜 位居18名 in the Caroline Countdown of Sound, lying at number 18.
当然不是指现在 Let's Go and Get Stoned Let's Go and Get Stoned. Not this time of the day, surely.
Well, they'll stone ya when you're trying to be so good
They'll stone ya just a-like they said they would
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to go home
They'll stone ya when you're there all alone
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned
狄伦的首张唱片销售不佳 Dylan's first albums did not sell.
哥伦比亚来真的！
我想一家唱片行卖不到一张 大概只卖了2千5百张 I don't think we sold an album per store in America. I think, 2,500.
销售人员会说： “这是哈蒙做的蠢事” Salespeople, you know, would say, "This is Hammond's folly."
既然灌这张唱片没花多少钱 就让他放手做吧 Since he cost so little to record, let John have his folly.
THE FREEWHEELIN'狄伦
我的第二张唱片突然倍受瞩目 On my second album, all of a sudden people started to take notice...
以前从没这样 that never noticed before.
主要是这次有葛洛斯曼操刀 Grossman came into the picture around there.
他有点像猫王经纪人的角色… He was kind of like a Col. Tom Parker figure...
他每次都是光鲜整齐的出现 all immaculately dressed, every time you see him.
他的出现很抢眼 You could smell him coming.
艾尔葛洛斯曼是 最早成功的民谣经理人 Al Grossman was the first successful folk manager...
他知道如何靠旗下歌手赚钱 who knew how to make money out of his singers.
他拥有自己的录音间… He would own the recording studio...
拥有自己的唱片发行公司 他拥有巴布狄伦 he would own the music publishing company, he would own Bob Dylan.
他有彼得、保罗与玛丽 He would own Peter, Paul and Mary.
他会把巴布狄伦的歌卖给 彼得、保罗与玛丽三重唱… He would sell a Bob Dylan song to Peter, Paul and Mary...
他们会在他的录音间录唱 这些他都有股权 who would sing on a recording in his studio, which he was getting the rights.
所以能从中赚到一点 他有这方面的小技巧 So he would get a salami... He had a salami technique going.
他会从六、七种方向去经营 He would get a piece of the action from six or seven different directions.
他创造了彼得、保罗与玛丽… He created Peter, Paul and Mary...
因为他看出人们需要 年轻新鲜的团体… because he saw people really wanted a fresh, young group like this...
来代表他们 that they could relate to.
他帮原本叫诺尔的保罗 改艺名为保罗 He changed Paul's name to Paul, from Noel.
让三位成员就像圣经中的圣人 他真是天才 So it would have that biblical inference. He was a genius.
我认识彼得、保罗与玛丽中的 玛丽崔维斯 I knew Mary Travers, you know, of Peter, Paul and Mary.
那时她还很年轻 I had known her when she was younger. She used to sing in Washington Square Park.
曾经在华盛顿广场公园唱歌
她人很好 当时是个活泼的少女 And she was a nice person and very lively teenager.
有一次刚好是冬天… One time, in the middle of winter...
麦杜格街很冷 就像酷寒的二月天… and it was cold on MacDougal Street, you know, like February...
我遇见她，随口问道： “最近好吗，玛丽？” I saw her, and I says, "Where have you been, Mary?"
她说： “前阵子我都在佛罗里达…” She says, "Well, I've been in Florida for the last couple of..."
我不知道她去了多久 I don't know if it was weeks or months.
有个叫艾尔葛洛斯曼的 把我和其他几个… "A man named Albert Grossman has put me together...
咖啡馆歌手凑在一起… "with some other guys from the coffeehouses...
我们要在那边组个团 "and we're trying out a new group there.
“一起唱歌” "We're singing."
我说： 你一直都在佛罗里达？ And I said, "You mean you were in Florida all this time?
“怎么都没晒黑呢？ 你都没出去吗？” "Where's your tan? Didn't you ever go out in the sun?"
她说： 艾尔说我不该乱晒太阳 She says, "No, Albert told me I shouldn't go out in the sun.
“我应该是白晰金发的家居型” "That I was supposed to be the pale, blonde, indoor type."
我听完全身鸡皮疙瘩 很难相信这是真的… And it really made my flesh creep, to put it truthfully...
因为我在纽约冷得半死… because I was shivering cold in New York...
她有机会去南部晒太阳… and she had the chance to get out in the sun...
却因为唱片操作 必须塑造形象… but that she was being manipulated, that the whole thing had an image...
外表要维持不变 it had a look.
我觉得这是不好的征兆 I just felt that this was a bad sign.
我不认为艾尔在操作巴布… I didn't feel that Albert manipulated Bob...
因为我觉得巴布比艾尔更怪… because I think Bob was weirder than Albert...
艾尔根本管不动他 so that he couldn't manipulate him.
我说的怪不是指不好的事 而是他有很多花招 And by weird, I don't mean in a bad way but I mean that he had enough games.
巴布也是一个 很懂得把握机会的人 Now, Bob was also a terrific opportunist...
如果有人给他机会发展 他当然会善用它 so if someone gave him an opportunity to do something, he could use it.
我不知道巴布算不算投机取巧 I don't know if Bob was a hustler.
我认为他只是知道自己要什么 然后全力以赴 I think he just knew what he wanted and he could focus.
他非常精明 He was very astute.
他能看出在场谁最有来头 He could pick out somebody who was important. I mean, any musician would...
许多歌手或许也这样…
但他特别擅长此道 but he was really good at it.
艾尔有一天说要带个新人给我看 他的名字是巴布狄伦 Albert tells me one day he's gonna send a guy over to see me named Bob Dylan.
亚提莫高-音乐制作人
他有把吉他 脖子挂着自创的东西… He's got a guitar, with some kind of a contraption around his neck...
用来挂口琴吹的 so that the harmonica is up to his mouth.
信不信由你… Now, believe me when I tell you...
以前在百老汇真的没看过这玩意 nobody had ever seen this on Broadway before.
然后他开始唱给我听 And he starts singing for me.
我最自豪的就是 我是少数几个… And one of the things that I pride myself on is that I think I'm one of the few...
在当时唱片界我是唯一… At that time, I may have been the only one in the music business...
认真听那些歌词的人 who listened to the words.
当我听到… And when I heard...
要经历多少年… "How many years must one man have before he can hear people cry," I flipped.
“才能听到人们的哭泣” 我深受感动
我根本不记得那天 他还唱了什么歌… I can't even remember what the songs were that he played me that day...
但我说： “我要你了” but I said, "Okay, that's it. I want you."
How many roads must a man walk down
Before they call him a man
崔尼罗佩兹-THE FOLK ALBUM
音乐这个行业 完全受音乐制作人操控 The music business per se was dominated by music publishers.
那时候歌曲很重要 你可以挑一首歌去运作 In those days, the song was important. You would pick a song and work on it.
史黛坡合唱团 UNCLOUDY DAY
强尼瑞弗摇滚民谣
从音乐史上来看狄伦 大家都认为… Historically, whenever you see Dylan mentioned in print...
是约翰哈蒙发掘了巴布狄伦 it's always John Hammond who discovered Bob Dylan.
但是我认为 真正让狄伦走红的却是我… I think the guy who made Dylan popular was me...
我会对自己这样说 if I say so myself.
是我把他的歌推广到 大城小镇 I'm the one who started to get his songs all over the place.
公司上下都很支持他 We never had resistance within the company to him.
我的老板，大老板赫曼史塔 立刻下令这么做 My boss, the old man, Herman Starr, got on it right away.
为什么？因为他们嗅到商机 Why? Because they smelled dollars, that's why.
雷文索上演 巴布狄伦
我要为大家唱首歌 告诉大家一些事 I gotta sing you something to tell you something.
这首歌叫Masters of War It's called Masters of War.
演唱会售票口
Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know I can see through your masks
And I hope that you die
And your death will come soon
I'll follow your casket
All the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave till I'm sure that you're dead
我在市政厅帮他做演唱会 那应该是1963年 I did a concert of his in Town Hall. It might have been '63.
演唱会结束时… And when the concert was over...
巴布把我叫过去，他问我… Bob called me over and he said:
“有没有人在后台等我？” "Is anybody in the stage door waiting for me?"
哈洛德雷文索 民歌经纪
我不怪这些艺人都想成名… The fact is that I do not blame any artist for seeking fame...
这也算是一种认同感 which is in a sense, recognition.
你想知道有没有听众喜欢你… You want to know that you've pleased an audience...
你想知道观众是否对你有兴趣 you want to know that the audience is interested in you.
他有自己的风格 相当有爆发力的歌手 He was, in his way, a dynamic performer.
但我认为主要是歌曲本身 相当出色… But I think mostly the material that he was doing was so great...
每个人都能找到共鸣 that everybody responded to it.
武器管制 牛津，密西西比 武器管制 牛津，密西西比
Oxford Town, Oxford Town Everybody's got their heads bowed down
The sun don't shine above the ground
Ain't a-goin' down to Oxford Town
时事歌曲的潮流是左派的产物 The topical song movement was a product of the Left.
以静坐示威为武器 劳工的权利
当时的左派歌手包括 皮特辛格… And the Left, at that time, would have been Pete Seeger...
织工合唱团和伍迪葛西 and the Weavers, and Woody Guthrie.
这些人根据时事创作歌曲 These people created material based on topical situations.
皮特辛格相当高 像巨人般的人物 Pete Seeger, very tall, like a towering figure.
我那时不知他是共产党员 I didn't realize he was a communist.
我甚至不知道共产党是什么 I really wasn't sure even what a communist was.
就算他是共产党 和我也没什么关系 If he was, it wouldn't have mattered to me anyway.
我不会用党派去看人 I really didn't think about people in those terms.
巴布并不热衷政治 Bobby was not really a political person.
他常被认为… He was thought of...
是一个… as being...
热衷政治的左派份子 a political person and a man of the Left.
一般来说这个讲法也没错 但是他完全没兴趣… And in a general sort of way, yes, he was. But he was not interested...
搞苏联那套垃圾理论 in the true nature of the Soviet Union or any of that crap.
我们认为他对政治是 无可救药的天真 We thought he was hopelessly politically naive.
但现在回想起来 或许他比我们更老成世故 But in retrospect, I think he may have been more sophisticated than we were.
李得贝利
民谣音乐的复兴因为白色恐怖 又延后十年 The folk music revival was postponed by almost 10 years by the witch hunt.
我的意思是说 当美军开始发送小册子… I mean, when US Army publishes pamphlets on how to spot a communist...
教大家识别共产党份子…
册子当中有几句提到 “共产党有时会弹着吉他”… that have lines in them like, "He will sometimes play the guitar"...
像这样的东西实在… that kind of thing had a very...
抑制音乐发展 repressive and suppressive effect.
织工合唱团
Goodnight Irene这首歌红遍全国 The song Goodnight Irene was all over the country.
到处都听得到… You couldn't escape that song...
当时是美国1950年夏天 in the United States of America, in the summer of 1950.
这首歌是当时40大排行榜的冠军曲 Right then, the very moment that Irene was at the top of the Top 40...
一些被列入黑名单的人 或许会自言自语… a bunch of blacklisters probably said to themselves:
“我们怎么会漏掉这几个共产党？” "How did we let these commie so-and-so's slip through our fingers?"
他们开始把我们列入黑名单 大约二年以后… They started out to see that we were blacklisted, and about two years later...
我们无法去唱五星级的 瓦多亚斯多酒店… instead of singing in the Waldorf-Astoria, or Ciro's in Hollywood...
或西罗酒店…
席格判刑一年
我们只能唱黛菲酒吧 克里夫兰郊外的三流酒店 we were singing in Daffy's Bar and Grill on the outskirts of Cleveland...
而且周末被迫公休 and decided to take a sabbatical.
李还说，最后周一也公休 周二也公休 Lee says, it turned into a Mond-ical and a Tuesd-ical.
辛格上诉成功
到了麦卡锡时代 这一切开始衰退… By the time McCarthy, I think, started to wane...
民谣音乐才开始出现 the folk music thing started to come up.
密西西比-1963
我认为这关系美国人的利益… I say it's in the interest of every human being in the United States of America...
需要选出一些好的参议员 让密西西比改头换面 to get some good senators out of Mississippi for a change.
你们可以做到这点 不久的将来你们一定可以 And you can do it, and you will do it soon, I know.
我要他和皮特、希欧多尔 一起去… I got him to go with Pete and Theodore Bikel...
他们二个都要去南方 as they were both going down to the South.
The day Medgar Evers was buried from the bullet he caught The day Medgar Evers was buried from the bullet he caught
我鼓励巴布也去 他照做了，这是培训的一部份 And I encouraged him to go with them and he did, as part of an education.
民权运动正如火如荼展开… The Civil Rights Movement was in full swing...
格林渥城外有一大片原野… and there was a big field outside Greenwood...
当时聚集好几百人 with several hundred people.
我在那边高谈阔论 那是一辈子难忘的经验 I heard some speechifying there that I'll never forget in all my life.
我记得巴布唱了一首歌曲 确实让大家开始深思 And I remember Bob singing a song which really caused people to think.
《他只是游戏抵押品》 He's Only a Pawn in The Game.
他唱的是关于 民权领袖艾佛斯被杀 He was singing about the man who killed Medgar Evers.
换句话说 他不认为是一个人… In other words, don't just think of this one man...
犯下这场谋杀 而是整个大环境造成的 who did this murder, but think of the whole situation.
站在辛苦奋斗的人民那边… To be on the side of people who are struggling for something...
不代表你就是政治份子 doesn't necessarily mean you are being political.
Oh, my name it ain't nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I was taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that the land that I live in
Has God on its side
我会说巴布有这天赋 而且持续发展中 I would say that Bob was gifted, and it was flowering.
他强烈希望能改变世界 He had a great desire to change the world.
我们也讨论过这个问题 We even talked about it.
我们认为种族隔离 不会持续下去… We thought that segregation wasn't gonna last...
所以我们该做点什么 让这种事情早日结束 and that we were gonna have something to do with ending it.
我们真的相信… We really believed we were gonna have a part...
词曲创作多少可改变世界 as songwriters in changing the world.
《民谣节》默瑞勒纳拍摄
我第一次看到巴布 是在葛地民谣城 I had first laid eyes on Bob in Gerde's Folk City.
之前我就听说过他 I had been told about him.
那家伙是天才 他写的那些歌真是棒… "This guy's a genius and he writes these incredible songs...
“他很崇拜伍迪葛西” 诸如此类的 "and he admires Woody Guthrie," and all this stuff.
一开始我很怀疑… I was very dubious, you know...
当人们当着我的面过份夸奖别人 when people raved about somebody other than myself.
但是我自己去看，亲自确认… But I went, and sure enough...
原来大家说的都是真的 he was everything that they had said he was.
我们都有婴儿肥 We both had our baby fat. That's what I think of when I look at the early pictures.
至少我看早期的照片是这样
平滑的肌肤、婴儿肥 那时我们真的很年轻 Smooth skin, baby fat. We were really young.
巴布就像个穷苦孩子 Bob looked like a ragamuffin.
那是我最初印象之一 Probably one of the things I found so appealing about him.
他会引出母性本能… He would bring out the mother instinct...
原本没有母性特质的女人 都会因此散发母性光辉 in a woman who thought her mother instinct was dead.
后来他搬来和我一起住在 卡默山谷的美丽房屋 He came out and stayed with me in a beautiful house, in Carmel Valley.
他爱在那里写歌 Bob liked to write there.
他总是站立沉思 然后用打字机写歌 And he would just stand, tapping away at that typewriter.
他会问我： “你觉得这个如何？” He would always say, "What do you think of this?"
而我完全不了解内容在讲什么 不过我很喜欢 And I wouldn't understand the thing at all, but I loved it.
所以我说： “让我看看” 所以我仔细读一遍 So I went, "Okay, I'm gonna figure this one out." So I read through it.
然后我把我对歌词的解读告诉他 And I gave back my interpretation of what I thought it was about.
他说： “真他妈的好” He said, "That's pretty fucking good."
他会说： 你看着好了 几年以后… He would say, "See now, a bunch of years from now...
其他人，其他混蛋… "all these people, all these assholes...
会开始写 我写的狗屁东西 "are gonna be writing about all the shit I write.
它是怎么来的 "I don't know where the fuck it comes from. I don't know what the fuck it's about.
它在讲什么，这些我都不清楚
“但未来他们会写出来帮我解答” "And they're gonna write what it's about."
Oh, the time will come up
When the winds will stop
And the breeze will cease to be breathin'
Like the stillness in the wind
Before the hurricane begins
The hour that the ship comes in
And the sea will split
And the ships will hit
And the sands on the shoreline will be shaking
巴布会一直写，一直写 Bob would write. Just write and write and write.
有一次我们去别的地方… And one time, we pulled into someplace...
我那时还不错 不管有没有打扮，我已经相当有名气 and I was okay by then. Bare feet or not, I was famous.
但这个和我一起旅行的邋遢小子… But this scruffy-looking guy I had with me...
柜台的人完全不想接受他… and the people behind the desk were having none of it...
还说他们没有房间了 and they said they didn't have a room.
那时候，我当然很生气… And now, of course, I was livid...
用尽方法帮他争取一个房间 and pulled all my punches, and got him a room.
结果他为此写了一首歌 那首歌真是惊人… And he wrote a song that just was devastating:
《大船入港时》 The Hour The Ship Comes In.
他用这首歌宣泄当时的愤怒 And I could see him hanging them all.
虽然他并不承认是这样… He'd never sort of fess up to that sort of thing, but that's what it seemed like to me.
但我的解读是这样
发泄当时的感受… Working out whatever feelings...
饭店不肯给他一个房间… he might have had about not being given a room...
一个晚上就写出一首很棒的歌 in a brilliant song, in one night.
And they'll raise their hands
Sayin' we'll meet all your demands
There'll be a shout from the bow, "Your days are numbered"
And like Pharaoh's tribe
They'll be drownded in the tide
And like Goliath, they'll be conquered
新港民谣节-1963年
《民谣节》默瑞勒纳拍摄
当时有乡村民谣和城市民谣 You had country folks and city folks there.
我们特地在新港融合二派 We purposely tried to mix it up at Newport.
那是强尼凯许 There was Johnny Cash.
还有像欧杰艾伯特 演唱民歌… And then you had O.J. Abbott singing some of the ballads he knew...
他年轻时在伐木场工作听来的歌 as a young man working in the lumber camps.
肩并肩一起 Right side by side.
豪林沃夫
当时有一万五千人 对我来说已是人山人海 There were 15,000 people, and that seemed to me just immense.
每个人都在那边表演民歌 新的旧的歌曲都有 Everyone was there who played folk music. Old and new.
也有一群更年轻的歌手 Sort of younger people, too.
《民谣节》默瑞勒纳拍摄
我们有点像音乐界的大串连… We kind of bonded in a way, music-wise, you know...
我们所唱的歌 还有他所写的歌 what we were singing and what he was writing.
A bullet from the back of a bush
Took Medgar Evers's blood
A finger fired the trigger to his name
A handle hid out in the dark
The hand set the spark
Two eyes took the aim
Behind a man's brain
But he can't be blamed
He's only a pawn in their game
我大概是在场唯一 演唱他歌曲的歌手 I was the only singer there probably singing the songs that he'd written.
而且如果更早二年… And most likely, two years earlier to that...
我也不够格去新港演唱 I wouldn't have been able to get into Newport.
You got more than the blacks, don't complain
You're better than them
You been born with white skin, they explain
那真是难忘的经验 It was quite a sensation.
他唱了很多所谓的抗议歌曲 He was singing a lot of, what they called then, protest songs.
我一直很讨厌这种说法 I've always hated that designation.
那非常的… And it was very much...
符合当时的时代精神 in the spirit of the time.
皮特和《批判》杂志的人… Pete and the crowd around Broadside magazine...
都打心里喜欢他 had fallen head over heels in love with him.
Today, Medgar Evers was buried from the bullet he caught
They lowered him down as a king
But when the shadowy sun sets on the one
That fired the gun
He'll see by his grave
On the stone that remains
Carved next to his name
His epitaph plain
Only a pawn in their game
以前有伍迪葛西 后来有皮特辛格传承… There was Woody Guthrie, transition to Pete Seeger...
由他继续伍迪的传统 who carried on Woody's tradition.
那么现在由谁来继承皮特辛格？ Now who was to carry on from Pete Seeger?
焦点就聚集在巴布狄伦身上 And in that spot really, came Bob Dylan.
我们开始了解巴布会是… So we began to recognize that Bobby...
承袭传统的接班人 would be the continuation in that tradition.
我写了这首歌，描述一个故事… I wrote this song. It tells a story...
《民谣节》默瑞勒纳拍摄
希望你们喜欢听故事 if you like stories.
-或许它不能弹奏 -或许它不能讲故事了 - Maybe it doesn't do anything. - Maybe it doesn't tell a story.
我觉得那真是让人兴奋… It was a very, very exciting... I felt...
就好像巴布是我的死党 it was like, Bob was my pal.
我们投入相同的事 We were involved in the same thing. And I knew he was gonna be a massive star...
我知道他会变成一个巨星
这点我很喜欢 and I liked that.
闭幕之夜-新港1963年
容我说句话？ Let me say something?
我们要唱一首歌，就这样 We just have to sing one, that's all. That's the introduction.
Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I was taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that the land that I live in
Has God on its side
Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
And the Indians fell
The cavalries charged
And the Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side
我可以在相当短的时间 写很多歌 I wrote a lot of songs in a quick amount of time.
那时候我可以这样… I could do that then...
因为写歌的过程很新鲜 because the process was new to me.
我觉得像… I felt like...
我会发掘一些别人没注意的事… I'd discovered something no one else had ever discovered...
我像位于一座美丽的竞技场 and I was in a sort of an arena artistically that no one else had ever been in before...
以前没有人进入过的地方
虽然这很可能只是我的错觉 ever, although I might have been wrong about that.
One time ago a crazy dream came to me
I dreamt I was walkin' in World War Three
I went to the doctor the very next day
To see what kind of words he had to say
He said it was a bad dream
我站在高达三米六的看台 手上拿着望远镜 I was on top of this 12-foot station and I had a long lens.
看着巴布狄伦走上舞台 I was looking at Bob Dylan coming out on stage.
Well, down the corner by the hot-dog stand
I seen another man
I said, "Howdy, friend
"I guess there's just us two"
He screamed, and down the road he flew
Thought I was a communist
他是查理卓别林 他是狄伦汤玛斯 He was Charlie Chaplin. He was Dylan Thomas.
他说话像伍迪葛西 他一直在舞台走动 He talked like Woody Guthrie. He was constantly moving.
More time passed and now it seems
Everybody's having them dreams
Everybody sees theyself walkin' around with nobody else
And all the people can be half right some of the time
Some of the people can be all right part of the time
But all the people can't be all right all of the time
Abraham Lincoln said that
I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours
I said that
古老的爱尔兰神话 有所谓自由变形的人 In old Irish mythology, they talk about the shape-changers.
他改变了声音、改变形象 He changed voices. He changed images.
他不必成为… It wasn't necessary for him to be...
一个特定的人 a definitive person.
他像个接收器 He was a receiver.
他完全入迷 He was possessed.
他明确说出… And he articulated...
其它人想说却说不出的话 what the rest of us wanted to say but couldn't say.
How many roads must a man walk down How many roads must a man walk down
before you call him a man?
How many seas must a white dove sail
before she sleeps in the sand?
这会让你… It's almost enough to make you...
相信荣格的集体无意识理论 believe in Jung's notion of collective unconscious.
如果有个属于美国人的 集体无意识 That if there is an American collective unconscious...
如果你相信这样的心理学概念… if you could believe in something like that...
那巴布就是推动此现象的人 that Bobby had somehow tapped into it.
他会带来一些… And there were always...
即使有时是相当微弱的共鸣 these sometimes very faint resonances.
我撷取所知道的一切… In taking all the elements that I've ever known...
去发表全面性的陈述 表达内心感受… to make wide-sweeping statements which conveyed a feeling...
那正是该时代的基本精神 that was in the general essence of the spirit of the times.
我认为那就是我所做的事 I think I managed to do that.
我认为我应该坚持不懈… I thought that I needed to press on...
尽我可能去做 and get as far into it as I could.
Is blowin' in the wind
我必须说他简直代表 我们这个世代的脉动 I would like to say that he has his finger on the pulse of our generation.
巴布狄伦 Bob Dylan.
今晚在新港城 将有通宵达旦的演唱 There will be singing through the night, in the town of Newport.
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