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 Welcome to HARDtalk here in Malta,  the current home of Suha Arafat, the

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 widow of the late Palestinian leader  Yasser Arafat. It is ten years since

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 he died and to mark the anniversary,  she gives us a rare broadcast

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 interview about what it was like  being married to him, why she

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 believes he was assassinated and why  she has chosen to live here in Malta

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 and not amongst the Palestinian  people who so greatly revered her

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 husband. Suha Arafat, welcome to  HARDtalk. Thank you. It is ten years

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 since Yasser Arafat died and he was  very much seen as the father of the

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 Palestinian people. Do you see  yourself as their mother? I cannot

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 consider myself their mother. I am  his partner and he was a great

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 leader. He was the founder of  Palestine. The father of all the

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 Palestinian people and children. I  lived this life with him and lived

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 20 years with him, it was a great  honour for me to accompany him, this

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 great leader, during the most  important steps in his life. During

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 all the suffering and everything he  has gone through. Yasser Arafat is

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 the father of every single  Palestinian child and individual in

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 Palestine. You say that you were  with your husband for 20 years and

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 that he was very protective towards  you and your daughter who was born

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 in 1995. What kind of husband was  he, because the foreign editor of

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 the Arabic language newspaper that  is published in London, says that

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 Yasser Arafat was married to the  cause and that he loved the cause

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 more than he did his wife and  daughter? Yes, he is a friend of

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 mine and he came and witnessed our  house, and it was an office at the

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 same time. I used to see him for  five minutes and you go to work. So

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 it was a part of the cause. I was  part of what was going on in his

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 office. It is not easy but as a  Palestinian, I felt, of course, the

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 responsibility of the suffering of  our people so I was sharing with

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 him, everything he was doing, his  daily life and I was accompanying

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 him in his very difficult life. But  since you moved out of Gaza and have

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 lived in Paris and are now in Malta  and living in relative comfort, when

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 you see the suffering of the  Palestinian people as you yourself

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 have described, those in Gaza who  struggle to meet their basic daily

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 needs, how does that make you feel?  Terrible. I feel that I try to do

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 things for them but it is not easy  because I'm not on the ground. I

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 have words with leaders and people  who are humanitarian workers. We try

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 to help a little bit but it is so  difficult. I feel frustrated because

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 I want to be on the ground and I  cannot. Why? It is so difficult. I

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 don't know how to please everybody,  it is not easy. To be the centre

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 there, if I go with my daughter,  everyone would be around us, and

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 maybe some people I don't want  around, but they would not

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 appreciate my going there with my  daughter. There is a lot of a push

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 to get rid of symbols in the Arab  world and we don't have any symbols

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 anymore. Yasser Arafat was a great  symbol and he gathered people all

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 over the Palestinian places. If he  was alive, Hamas would never have

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 been there. I will ask you about the  split between Fatah and Hamas but

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 you say that the name you have would  not please everybody and I would

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 like to go back to his death in  2004. He was airlifted to a French

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 military hospital where he died.  There are suspicions that you have

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 voiced, and you have said quite  categorically that you believe he

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 was poisoned, assassinated. And you  asked for his body to be exhumed in

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 2012 to have an examination done.  But the fact of the matter is that

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 there have been three  investigations, Swiss, French and

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 Russian and the latter set he died  of natural causes. The Swiss one

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 said their findings are moderately  supportive of the proposition that

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 his death was the consequence of  poisoning and the French

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 investigation is still ongoing. Why  do you believe he was poisoned? I am

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 most convinced by the Swiss  examination. It is at the University

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 in their radioactive department who  are investigating crimes all over

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 the world. They exhumed the body and  said that he had a moderate level of

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 poison in his body. Polonium, and  this is the same thing that killed

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 the dissident from Russia in 2006 in  London. And I'm totally convinced

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 because we have done all the exams,  all the exams possible, he 50

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 doctors coming from all over France  to investigate and they have done

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 everything. From all over Africa and  Asia, you can't imagine, a full body

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 checkup. What do you believe  happened? It is believed he fell ill

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 after eating a meal? Yes. Let me  tell you what a member of the

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 Palestinian commission of  investigation said in June, 2013. If

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 someone put any sort of poison in  his food, it must've been a

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 Palestinian and maybe there was  inside collaboration. Of course. It

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 would have to have been a  Palestinian who could be near him.

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 Professor David Berkeley who is an  international expert in forensic

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 medicine and who works with Scotland  Yard said that it is enough to have

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 a small dose, like the pen of a  needle and it is easy to put it. It

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 can break down the cells in his  body. Was the absolutely fine? He

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 was fine and healthy. Then all of a  sudden he lost all of his senses. He

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 was very frail and weak and he was  only 75 when he died. Yes, and my

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 husband had never smoked or drank,  he was healthy, he was doing

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 sports, he was eating very healthy,  soup and chicken, he was always on a

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 diet and taking care of himself. I  want to ask you this because a

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 member of the PLO's executive  committee on the West Bank said in

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 November, 2013 that it is now  confirmed, according to him, that he

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 was poisoned and that they need to  know who planned it and to

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 implemented the alleged killing. Do  you think we will ever know? I

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 cannot accuse anybody. It is a  murder case as it was expected to be

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 in France. You say you cannot point  the finger... But we all remember

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 that when he was in hospital in  Paris and you went on the media and

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 you said on television that they are  trying to bury him alive, what did

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 you mean by that? I was in a  terrible situation. He was dying and

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 every person around him wanted to be  sure that they would have a position

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 and wondering who the new president  would be and I felt it was a very

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 ill atmosphere and I was not happy.  There were accusations. I was next

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 to my husband and the media was  saying that I was discussing money

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 and all of this and it was a very  difficult time for me. I was under

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 so much pressure. The leadership  from Palestine wanted to make

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 arguments and it was not the right  time, I thought, when he was in a

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 coma, so I lost my temper and I was  under pressure. He had a lot of

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 enemies but they were stronger when  he was in a coma. Palestinian

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 enemies? And Israeli. And you said  that amongst the Palestinians, that

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 they said that you were talking  money. Can you imagine? You said you

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 feel you have been a victim of  character assassination and that

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 Palestinians have pointed out that  you were investigated by the French

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 authorities in Paris over $11  million that was supposedly put in

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 Swiss bank accounts in accounts that  you controlled. Yes. We are here

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 filming in your apartment in Malta,  so I have to ask you where the money

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 is? We know now who had the money  because there have been serious

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 investigations into all the  leaders. You don't have the money?

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 If there have been many, we would  have seen it. This is character

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 assassination, not against me but  against my husband. It was against

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 me. We are his inner circle, me and  my daughter, so if they want to

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 attack Yasser Arafat, they attack  his wife and daughter. Maybe it is

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 because you lived in Paris and your  mother was a very prominent human

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 rights activist based in Paris for  the Palestinian cause and her late

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 father was a prominent Palestinian  banker and you are from one of the

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 most well`known Christian families  who are Palestinian. Maybe they

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 thought your connections were very  European. You studied at the

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 Sorbonne. I studied in France. Maybe  that doesn't go well with the wife

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 of the Palestinian people's leader.  They feel they are under siege and

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 struggle. I lived in Paris my whole  life and studied there. I had all my

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 education and I worked in Paris.  Paris was always Paris for me and we

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 were living in a small apartment in  Paris but, you know the name Paris,

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 everyone thought that I was at  fashion shows all the time. Nobody

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 would have seen me at fashion  shows. I could not go to any

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 places. I was born in Palestine and  I know the suffering of the

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 Palestinian people. I have been  going to refugee camps with my

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 family and seeing what the needs are  and you cannot judge somebody by

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 their appearance. I should not be  veiled, and to get dressed like my

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 husband, to be considered a  militant. It is in the heart, you

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 cannot just judge from the outside.  You raise this thing about the veil

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 and how people appear because you  are from a Christian family but you

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 converted to Islam when you married  your husband in 1990. You said in an

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 interview with an Italian newspaper  last year that he turned Palestine

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 into a secular country. People went  to the beach in Gaza. He never

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 imagined it would become an Islamic  State and Hamas has taken people

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 hostage. That is how I feel. If you  can do elections in Gaza, I don't

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 know... You don't like religion? We  are secular. We are Muslims and

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 Jews. My husband was saying you  cannot be a good Muslim, you cannot

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 be a good Christian or a Jew... We  are not struggling all our life to

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 have an Islamic State. But if you  wanted it secular... We wanted a

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 secular state like Lebanon and  Jordan. Muslim and secular,

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 open`minded. If Yasser Arafat was  secular, why did he ask you to

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 convert? He was a Muslim, a real  one, and he was open`minded, but you

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 cannot argue with his religion, he  was a real Muslim person and when we

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 got married, he asked me to convert  to Islam and I was honoured. Because

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 I studied Islam when I was young and  my mother would apply just to stay

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 in the Islam studies class so it was  not new to me. It was a tolerant

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 religion. What they are doing in the  name of Islam is unacceptable.

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 You lived in Paris for many years.  How do you explain what happened in

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 the last few days in Paris? It's  terrible. A crime. France opened its

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 arms to all of these immigrants and  gave them all the French

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 nationality. We can't treat France  like this. The country has the light

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 of lip `` liberty, democracy and  fraternity. We have ministers from

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 Muslim origin and France opened its  arms. It's terrible. Are you worried

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 about a religious day mentioned now  to the conflict between the

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 Palestinians and Israelis? One  example. A rabbi, you who do click,

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 leading the movement for Jews to be  able to pray in the compound, the

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 mosque into Rozelle, he told  HARDtalk recently that just as the

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 Muslims can pray at Temple Mount, so  should Christians and Jews. ``

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 Yehuda Glick. The Palestinian  Muslims say this is not something

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 they can accept. I have to say the  Israeli government is not saying

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 this will happen but it does mean  that you are getting a kind of

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 religious dimension to the conflict,  both amongst some Israelis and with

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 Hamas. This is very provocative. We  don't need to put fuel. I don't know

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 what's going on, it's terrible. That  mosque is not just a Palestinian day

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 mentioned, it is an international  and Arab day mentioned, from China

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 to India to Pakistan. In doing this  they are provoking every single

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 Muslim in the Arab and Muslim world.  1.5 billion Muslims. This is very

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 dangerous. It will escalate the  conflict. This is the problem. There

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 is no solution for the Palestinian  case. It will escalate. This is very

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 dangerous and alarming, and we don't  want to have a religious war in that

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 area. What about the religious Thai  mentioned to what's going on within

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 the Palestinian movement? `` the  religious element. We have Tata, the

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 more secular branch. In November  Palestinians were prevented from

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 commemorating the 10th anniversary  of the death of Yasser Arafat. Where

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 they were going to go was damaged.  People trying to gather were

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 disbursed. Not only disbursed, I was  so much offended and so much upset

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 about what went on. Yasser Arafat is  a leader from all over the world. He

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 is an Arab, an international leader.  Hamas has no right to prevent

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 celebrating the hero of the founder  of the Palestinian cause. The

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 Bluebird stadium, put bombs in front  of the leaders' houses. `` they blew

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 the. I did not appreciate this. I  will tell you, we have not had... We

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 don't have all of these martyrs from  Lebanon, Syria, to have a Muslim

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 state. We want a Muslim laws because  I respect the Muslim religions, but

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 not the state. Anyway, we are not a  part... We should not be a part of

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 the Muslim Brotherhood over the  world. This is not religious, this

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 is a nationalist cause. A  nationalist cause and their army

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 nationalists who aren't Muslims.  Yes! `` there are many Muslim

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 nationalists. Most of the very  important leaders were Christians.

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 We don't want this! The same as  Lebanon, one of the party was

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 Christian. This is not a religious  cause and it is very dangerous. We

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 don't want Palestine to be a Muslim  state. You said recently that he

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 believed the armed struggle is no  longer plausible. When you look at

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 your husband's legacy, with the  olive branch in one hand and be gone

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 in the other, you believe them that  he was wrong to think could be an

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 armed struggle? In the beginning  Yasser Arafat was... It's not me who

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 will judge him. Its history. But now  we are leading an equal world. We

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 had 1000 people killed in one day.  It's not equal. We can't do on

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 calculating risks for our people. We  have another refugee camp in Gaza,

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 we have 500,000 people who are  displaced. This is after what

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 happened in August. Yes! For which  price? If there is a price I would

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 say for which price? But Hamas,  before doing something like this,

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 they have to calculate. They are not  alone. There are people in Gaza, the

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 most crowded city in the world, and  they have to protect their people.

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 They say they build tunnels. Why did  they not build shelters? Listen,

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 come on, they have to recognise.  They have to recognise because

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 there's no other way. Don't tell me  now that they are going to banish

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 Israel from the river to the sea.  Are you optimistic that this

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 alliance between Hamas and Fatah  will hold? No, I think they have

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 different agendas. Both of them.  Hamas has to stop being part of the

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 Muslim Brotherhood all over the  world. If it stops, it will

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 concentrate only on people on the  ground, maybe there will be a

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 solution. But there are two  different agendas and I don't

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 think... There will never be a  reconciliation between Hamas and

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 Fatah. It's ten years since Yasser  Arafat died. When you look at the

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 state of Palestine today, you are no  closer to having your state. 2000

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 people died in Gaza last year,  during July and August. There is

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 some progress made in the diplomatic  scene I President Abbas signing the

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 International Criminal Court, to  join that and so on. `` by President

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 . But Yasser Arafat's legacy hasn't  bought the piece he wanted.

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 President Abbas did not have an easy  task. He tried his best to put

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 Palestine on the ground. He joined  the UN in 2012, as a nonmember

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 observer. He tried to do his best.  He said he is and Yasser Arafat,

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 don't compere me to Yasser Arafat.  He has a different way of thinking.

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 It's not easy to come after Yasser  Arafat. Nothing happened because

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 Israel, you know, continued to  settle, continued to build a wall.

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 Good Yasser Arafat's legacy  continued to your daughter? The

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 daughter of Yasser Arafat? Should  share, in time, `` could she become

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 leader in time? It's a difficult  question. It's an honour for us to

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 have his name, but also a huge  burden. She is still young, still

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 studying, and I don't want to  impose. She will choose whatever she

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 wants. Do you want her to? It's her  choice, actually. His legacy, I

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 assure you, people... Although it  Arab leaders have been killed or put

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 in prison by the people, Yasser  Arafat people are still crying on

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 his tomb and thinking about him as a  great hero. His legacy will go on.

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 Thank you very much for coming on  HARDtalk. Thank you.