危險療法
Good morning... 早上好...
I'm Dr. Jung. 我是榮格醫生
I admitted you yesterday. 昨天是我接收你入院的
I'm not... 我沒...
I'm not, I'm not mad, you know. 我沒 我沒瘋 真的
Let me explain what I have in mind. 我來說說我的想法
I propose that we meet here, most days, to talk for an hour or two. 我建議 我們每天在這兒見面 談一兩個鐘頭的話
Talk? 談話?
Yes. 對
Just talk. 談話就行
See if we can identify what's troubling you. 看看我們能否找出困擾你的問題
So as to distract you as little as possible, I'm going to sit there, behind you. 為了盡量避免讓你分心 我會坐在那兒 你身後
I'm going to ask you to try not to turn around and look at me under any circumstances. 我會要求你無論如何都不要回頭看我
Now... 開始吧...
Have you any idea what may have brought on these attacks you suffer from? 你知道可能引發你犯病的原因是什麼嗎?
Hu... 羞...
humiliation. 羞辱
Any kind of... 各種各樣的...
humiliation. 羞辱
Like, I can't bear to see it and it makes me feel nauseated. 我看著就會不舒服 讓我覺得噁心
I start pouring with sweat, cold sweat. 我會汗流不止 都是冷汗
My... 我的...
my... 我的...
my father lost his temper all the time. He was always angry with me. 我的父親常常發脾氣 他經常生我的氣
When you stopped talking just now, did a thought come into your head? 你剛剛停下來 是腦子裡突然冒出了個想法嗎?
I... 我...
I don't know... 我不知道...
Or an image, perhaps. 或者 是某個畫面
Was it an image? 是個畫面嗎?
Yes. 是的
What was the image? 是什麼畫面?
It was a hand. 是一隻手
My... 我...
my... 我...
my father's hand. 我父親的手
Why do you think you saw that? 你覺得你為什麼會想到那個?
Whenever he would... 每當他...
after... 之後...
whenever he... 每當他...
he hit us, afterward we had to... 他打了我們 之後我們就要...
we had to kiss his hand. 我們就要親吻他的手
What's odd is that case I was writing up last week, I happened to pick the codename Sabina S. 說來也怪 我上周記錄下來的那個病例 我碰巧選了Sabina S作為代號
And here she is... Sabina Spielrein. 而她就叫... Sabina Spielrein
Quite a coincidence. 真是巧合啊
As you know, I don't believe there is such a thing. 你知道的 我從不相信巧合一事
Spielrein's not a very Russian name. Spielrein不太像是個俄國人名啊
No, Jewish. 不 是猶太人名
Father's a very successful import-export man. 她父親是個非常成功的進出口商
And she's exceptionally well educated, speaks fluent German. 她受到了特別良好的教育 能說一口流利的德語
Aspires to be a doctor herself, apparently. 看得出來 她立志想當一名醫生
Perhaps she's the one. 也許她正是你要的人
What one? 什麼人?
The one you've been looking for, 你一直在尋找的
for your experimental treatment. 來試驗你的治療法的人
The talking cure. 那個談話療法
You're so astute. 你太聰明了
I've already begun it with her. 我已經對她用上這種療法了
He's kicking. 他在踢我
Can you feel? 你感覺到了嗎?
Oh, yes. 哦 是啊
There he is. 我感覺到他了
What I don't understand is why Freud, having proposed 我不懂的是 弗洛伊德既然已經提出了
this radical therapeutic idea, this talking cure, this 這種革命性的治療理念 發明了談話療法
psychoanalysis, then lets years go by without giving 創建了這種精神分析論 為什麼這麼多年來
even the barest outline of his clinical procedures? 連診療步驟最初步的大綱都沒有給出?
What's he playing at? 他在玩什麼把戲?
Presumably he uses the method on his patients? 想必他對自己的病人用了這種方法吧?
I've no idea. 我不知道
So might you be the first doctor to try this out? 那麼你會是第一個試驗這種方法的醫生嗎?
It's possible. 有可能
Why don't you write and ask him? 你為什麼不寫信給他問清楚?
I don't know him. 我不認識他
As it happens, Miss Spielrein's mother wanted to take her to see Freud. 正好 Spielrein小姐的母親本想帶她去找弗洛伊德看病的
Another coincidence. 又一個巧合啊
My father thinks my mother doesn't love him. 我的父親認為我母親不愛他
And he's right, she doesn't. 他想得沒錯 她不愛他
How do you know? 你從何得知?
My angel told me. 我的天使告訴我的
What angel? 什麼天使?
An inner voice. 我內心的一個聲音
He used to tell me I was an exceptional person. 他常常告訴我 我與眾不同
For some reason he always spoke in German. 不知為何 他總是用德語說話
Angels always speak German... It's traditional. 天使們都說德語... 向來如此
He gave me the power to know what people are going to say before they open their mouths. 他賦予了我一項特殊能力 在人們開口之前我能預知他們要說的話
Useful ability for a doctor. 這項能力對醫生倒是挺有用
You hope to be a doctor some day, don't you? 你希望將來某一天能當醫生 對嗎?
I'll never be a doctor. 我不可能當醫生了
Why not? 怎麼會?
I have to go away for a while. 我得離開一段時間
I'm sorry. 我很抱歉
We've just gotten started. 才剛開始就要中斷
Military service. 我得服兵役
We all have to do it. 我們每個人都得去
Just for a couple of weeks. 就去幾個星期
It's a waste of time! 真是浪費時間!
I can't tell you whatever it is you want to know! 我沒法對你知無不答!
You're just... 你純粹是在...
you're just making me angry. 你純粹是在惹我生氣
And even if I could tell you, you'll be sorry you ever...! 而且 就算我能 你也會後悔自己曾經...!
Anyway, there's nothing wrong with me! 總之 我沒有什麼毛病!
I don't even want to get better! 我也不想康復!
Stop it! 住手!
What? I was only trying to... 怎麼了? 我只是在...
Will you just stop that? 你給我馬上停手好嗎?
I'm sorry. 對不起
Can we get back now? 我們能回去了嗎?
Yes, if you want to. 好 如果你想回去的話
I need to get back. 我要回去
It's a complete waste of my time. 這完全是在浪費我的時間
Writing prescriptions for athlete's foot and examining cocks from morning 'til night. 從早到晚 不是給足癬開藥方 就是檢查生殖器
Is that what you do? 你們就做這些?
It's not good for me. 這對我沒好處
It's not good for my patients. 也對我的病人們不利
You're playing with your food. 你把吃的當泥巴和呢
I'm not hungry. 我不餓
Is that so? 是嗎?
I shall have to tell Professor Bleuler. 那我就跟布魯勒教授打報告
Ha. 切
Do what you like. 隨你便
Please, Miss, give me your hand. 拜託 小姐 把手給我
Please. 拜託
You'll catch your death. 這樣你會生病的
Miss Spielrein. Spielrein小姐
The Herr Direktor. 是主任先生呀
I feel you may have a little too much time on your hands. 我覺得你那雙手可能太閒了
I'm a great believer in getting our patients involved in some productive work. 我堅定地認為 我們的病人也要參與一些創造性的工作
What are your particular interests? 你有什麼特別喜歡做的事嗎?
Suicide. 自殺
Interplanetary travel. 還有星際旅行
When Dr. Jung returns, I shall ask him to discuss all this with you in more detail. 等榮格醫生回來 我就讓他找你詳談此事
You keep him away from me. 你讓他離我遠點兒
I never want to see him again! 我不想再見到他!
Now, come along. 來 過來
Don't make such a fuss. 別鬧了
Give me those legs. 把腿抬過來
Here's the sponge? 用海綿擦擦?
Just lie still. 躺著別動
That's better. 很好
Hello? 你好嗎?
I'm back. 我回來了
How have you been? 你過得怎樣?
I've been talking to the Herr Direktor about finding some work for you. 關於給你找點兒活幹的事兒 我跟主任先生談過了
I told him you'll always been interested in medicine. 我跟他說你對醫學一直很感興趣
So he suggested you might like to assist me occasionally in my research. 因此他建議你可以常來協助我做做研究
We're quite short-staffed so it would certainly be a help to me. 我們挺缺人手的 所以那肯定能減輕我的負擔
Vienna. 維也納
Woods. 森林
Box. 箱子
Bed. 床
Money. 金錢
Bank. 銀行
Child. 孩子
Soon. 即將
Family. 家庭
Unit. 套間
Sex. 性
Uh... 呃...
Male. 男性
Wall. 牆
Flower. 花
Young. 年輕
Baby. 嬰兒
Ask. 詢問
Answer. 回答
Cap. 帽子
Wear. 戴
Stubborn. 頑固
Give way. 讓步
Ruefulness. 悲慼
Child. 孩子
Fame. 名望
Doctor. 醫生
Divorce. 離婚
No. 不
Thank you. 辛苦了
Is that all? 結束了嗎?
That's all. 結束了
How did I do? 我做得怎樣?
Beautifully. 棒極了
Good bye. 再見
Yes, good bye. 好的 再見
Any preliminary observations? 初步觀察後有結論嗎?
Obviously, what's uppermost in her mind is her pregnancy. 很明顯 她最在意的是她的身孕
Good. 很好
And she's a little... 她還有點兒...
what's the word? 那個詞怎麼說來著?
Why don't we try a useful word invented by Herr Direktor. "Ambivalent". 我們何不用主任先生發明的一個很管用的詞 "喜憂參半"
Yes, about the baby. 對 她對孩子喜憂參半
Anything else? 還有呢?
I'll say she was worried her husband might be losing interest in her. 我覺得她擔心她丈夫會對她失去興趣
What makes you think that? 你為何這麼想?
Long reaction times to the words "family" and "divorce". 因為她聽到"家庭"和"離婚"這兩個詞時 有所停頓
I see. 這樣啊
And when you said "cap", she said "wear". 你說"帽子"的時候 她說"戴"
Might that be a reference to contraception? 會不會是指避孕?(Cap亦有"女用避孕套"之意)
You have quite a flair for this. 你還真有這方面的天賦啊
Can I ask you something? 我能問你個問題嗎?
Of course. 當然可以
Is she your wife? 她是你的夫人嗎?
I'm sorry. 對不起
Sorry? 對不起什麼?
I promised you a son on Christmas Day. 我答應在聖誕節給你生個兒子
And here she is a day late and the wrong sex. 可現在是晚了一天 性別也不對
Don't be absurd. 別傻了
"A" for Agatha. 就給我們第一個女兒取名叫Agatha吧
Next time I'll give you a boy. 下次我會給你生個兒子的
Can you explain why your nights have been so bad? 你能解釋下 為什麼你晚上老睡不好?
I'm afraid. 我很怕
Of what? 怕什麼?
There's something in the room. 房間裡有東西
Something like... 一種像...
like a cat, only it can speak. 像貓一樣的東西 只是它會說話
It gets into bed with me. 它爬到我的床上
Last... 昨天...
last night, it suddenly whispered something in my ear. 昨天晚上 它忽然在我耳邊低聲說話
I couldn't hear what. 我聽不清楚
But then... 但然後...
I felt it against my back. 我感覺它爬上我的背
Something slimy like... 黏糊糊的...
like some kind of a mollusc, moving against my back. 像是某種軟體動物 在我背上蠕動
But when I... 可等我...
when I turned around, there was nothing there. 等我轉過身去看時 什麼也沒有
You felt it against your back? 你感覺它在你背上?
Yes. 是的
Were you naked? 你當時是裸體的嗎?
I was. 是的
Were you masturbating? 你當時在手淫?
Yes. 是的
Tell me about the first time you can remember being beaten by your father. 告訴我你記憶中你父親第一次打你的情況
I suppose I was about four. 應該是我四歲的時候
I broke a plate or... 我把盤子打碎了...
oh, yes, and... 哦 是的 然後...
and he told me to go into the little room and take my clothes off. 他叫我進小房間去 脫掉衣服
And then... 然後...
he came in... and spanked me. 他進來了... 打我屁股
And then... 然後...
I was so frightened that I wet myself and then he... 我很害怕 尿了褲子 然後他...
he hit me again. 他又使勁打我
And then I... 然後我...
That first time, how did you feel about what was happening? 那一次挨打 你有什麼感覺?
I liked it. 我喜歡
Would you repeat that, please? 你能再說一遍嗎?
I couldn't quite hear. 我沒聽清
I liked it. 我喜歡
It excited me. 我感到興奮
And did you continue to like it? 你以後一直很喜歡?
Yes! 是的!
Before long, he only just had to say to me to go to the little room and I would... 沒過多久 他只需要對我說讓我進小房間 我就...
I would start to get wet. 我就會尿褲子
When it came to my brothers or even just threatened that... 後來 發展到面對我的兄弟們 僅僅是威脅...
that was enough. 就足夠了
I'll have to go down and... 我的腿就會發軟...
I wanted to lie down and touch myself. 我就想躺下來自慰
Later, at school, anything would... 再後來 上了學 任何事情都會...
set it off, any kind of humiliation. 觸發我這種反應 各種各樣的羞辱
I looked for any humiliation. 我不斷地去尋找羞辱
Even here when you hit my coat with your stick. 甚至那時候你用手杖拍打我外套的時候
I had to come back right away, I was so excited. 我變得好興奮 必須馬上跑回來
There's... 我...
there's no hope for me. 我已經不可救藥了
I'm vile and filthy and corrupt. 我是這麼的齷齪 骯髒 墮落
I must... 我就應該...
I must never be let out of here. 就應該永遠被關在這裡
兩年後 奧地利 維也納 1906年3月
So good to meet you at long last. 很高興終於見到你了
Professor Freud. 弗洛伊德教授
You're most welcome. 歡迎之至
Please. 請上樓
Perhaps the terms themselves should be reviewed. 或許 我們應該重新審視這些術語
If, for instance, we could come up with some milder term than 比如 要是我們採用比性力(力比多)更為溫和的說法
libido, we might not encounter such emotional resistance. 我們的病人就會少一些情緒上的抵抗
It would make the teaching side of things much easier. 我們的教學也會更為順利
Is euphemism a good idea? 委婉說法真的好嗎?
Once they work out what we actually mean, they'll be just as appalled as ever. 一旦明白我們真正所指 他們還是會像以往一樣抗拒的
I take your point, but I still think it's worth trying to 我同意你的說法 但是我仍然堅持
sweeten the pill when it comes to questions of sexuality. 在性方面的問題上 委婉一些是值得一試的
And, by the way, please don't feel you have to restrain yourself here. 對了 你在這裡不必約束自己 可以暢所欲言
My family are all veterans of the most unsuitable topics of mealtime conversation. 對於在餐桌上談論不合時宜的話題 我的家人們早已習慣了
I have a number of clinical examples which I believe 在性方面的治療上 我可以拿出一系列的
support my position with regard to sexuality. 臨床案例來論證我的觀點
Hm. 嗯
And how is your little Russian patient? 你那位年輕的俄羅斯病人怎麼樣了?
As I told you, after the initial abreaction there was the most dramatic improvement. 如我之前所說 經過初步的精神發洩 她的病情已經大大改善
We've enrolled her in the medical school at the 我們讓她進了大學的醫學院
University where she's doing extremely well. 她在那兒的表現相當出色
She's a walking advertisement for the effectiveness of psychoanalysis. 她是證明精神分析療效的活廣告
Psychoanalysis. 精神分析
Oh? 哦?
It's more logical. 更符合邏輯
And it sounds better. 也更好聽
If you say so. 正是如此
Are you still treating her? 你還在對她進行治療?
Yes, and we continue to unearth new material. 是啊 我們在不斷進行挖掘新信息
For example, the extraordinary procedure she devised as a small child, where she would sit on 比如她小時候養成的一個獨特習慣
one heel, attempt to defecate and at the same time try to prevent herself from defecating. 單腳蹲下來 一邊用力排便一邊又極力忍耐
Hm. 嗯
She said this gave rise to the most blissful feelings. 她覺得這樣會產生無比幸福之感
Nice story. 很不錯
Those of my patients who remain fixated at the anal stage of their 我那些在性發育方面停留在肛門期的病人
erotic development often come out with the most amusing details. 往往會做出非常荒誕的行為
And, of course, all of them are finicky, compulsively 當然 這些病人都喜歡吹毛求疵 有嚴重潔癖
tidy, stubborn and extremely stingy with money. 非常固執 而且在金錢方面極其吝嗇
No doubt your Russian conforms to this pattern. 毫無疑問 你的俄羅斯病人屬於這類
Well, no, she doesn't. 哦 不 她不是
The masochistic aspects of her condition are much more 與我們研究出的肛門期病例相比
deeply rooted than any anal fixations we may have uncovered. 在她的情況裡面 受虐傾向根深蒂固得多
The two are intimately connected. 兩者其實是密切相關的
I can only tell you that she's rather disorganized, 我只能說 她行事很沒有條理
emotionally generous and exceptionally idealistic. 情感上很寬宏大量 有強烈的理想主義傾向
Well, perhaps it's a Russian thing. 呃 這可能是俄羅斯人的特徵吧
Is she a virgin? 她是處女?
Yes. 是的
Certainly. 當然
Mmm. 嗯
Almost certainly. 幾乎肯定
No, certainly. 不 肯定
Hm. 嗯
I don't think you have any notion of the true 我想 你還沒有認識到 我們的研究
strengths and depths of the opposition to our work. 正遭受著無比強烈的反對和質疑吧
There's a whole medical establishment, of course, baying to send Freud to the auto-da-fe. 整個醫學界都是在叫囂著將弗洛伊德送上絞刑架
But that's as nothing compared to what happens when our ideas begin to 但是 當我們的觀點以各種斷章取義的方式
trickle through in whatever garbled form they're relayed to the public. 滲透並傳播給大眾時 發生的這一切都是值得的
The denials, the frenzy, the incoherent rage. 所有的否定 憤怒 污言穢語 完全不值一提
But might that not be caused by your insistence on the 但這些會不會是因為你堅持
exclusively sexual interpretation of the clinical material? 只用性當面的理論來解釋臨床病症所引起的呢?
All I'm doing is pointing out what experience indicates to me must be the truth. 我所做的 只是在指出我的經驗所證明的事實而已
And I can assure you that in a hundred year's time, our work will still be rejected. 我跟你保證 即使一百年以後 我們的研究仍然不會被認可
Columbus, you know, had no idea what country he'll discovered. 哥倫布 不知道自己會發現哪個國家
Like him, I'm in the dark. 像他一樣 我現在也身處黑暗
All I know is I've set foot on the shore and the country exists. 我只知道 我已經踏上了岸 確定了新大陸的存在
I think of you more as Galileo. 我覺得你更像伽利略
And your opponents as those who condemned him, while 你的反對者一如那些憎恨伽利略的人
refusing even to put their eye to his telescope. 他們甚至不願把眼睛湊近他的望遠鏡
In any event, I have simply opened a door. 總之 我已經開啟了一扇門
It's for the young men like yourself to walk through it. 這扇門需要像你們這樣的年輕人走進去
I'm sure you have many more doors to open for us. 我相信 你會為我們開啟更多的門
Of course, there's the added difficulty, more ammunition for our enemies, 當然 我們還面臨另一個難題 敵人攻擊我們的另一件武器
that all of us here in Vienna, in our psychoanalytical circle, are Jews. 那就是維也納所有採納精神分析方法的醫生 都是猶太人
I don't see what difference that makes. 我沒發現這有什麼問題
That, if I may say so, is an exquisitely Protestant remark. 事實上 這是極為典型的新教徒標誌
I dreamed... 我夢到...
I dreamed about a horse being hoisted by cables to a considerable height. 我夢到一匹馬被繩索提到高處
Suddenly, a cable breaks and the horse is dashed to the ground. 突然 一根繩索斷裂 馬墜落到地上
But it's not hurt. 但是它沒有受傷
It leaps up and gallops away, impeded only by a heavy 它跳將起來 奔馳而去 阻礙它的只有一段笨重的木頭
log, which it's obliged to drag along the ground. 它要順著地面拖著木頭走
Then a rider on a small horse appears in front of it so that it's forced to slow down. 然後一個騎著小馬的騎士出現在它的前面 於是它不得不慢下來
And a carriage appears in front of the small horse so 然後一輛馬車又出現在小馬的前面
that our horse is compelled to slow down even more. 所以我們的馬只能再次減緩它的速度
I imagine the horse is yourself. 我想 這匹馬代表你自己
Yes. 是的
Your ambition has been frustrated in some way. 你的雄心壯志已經受挫
The rider slowing me down. 那名使我減速的騎士
Yes. 對
I think this may refer to my wife's first pregnancy. 這可能像征我妻子的第一次懷孕
I had to give up an opportunity to go to America because of it. 為此 我放棄了可以去到美國的機會
Ah. 啊
The carriage in front perhaps alludes to an apprehension that our two daughters, 在前面的那輛馬車 可能暗示著這樣一種可能
and other children perhaps still to come, will impede my progress even more. 我的兩名女兒 以及將來要出生的兒女 會更嚴重地妨礙我的事業
As a father of six, I can vouch for that. 作為一名6個孩子的父親 我可以證明這一點
Not to mention the inevitable financial difficulties. 更不用說那些不可避免的經濟問題了
No. 不
Fortunately, my wife is extremely wealthy. 幸好 我的妻子相當富裕
Ah. 啊
Yes. 是的
That is fortunate. 相當幸運
This log... 這根木頭...
Yes? 怎樣?
I think, perhaps, you should entertain the possibility that it represents the penis. 我在想 或許你應該承認這種可能 它代表著陰莖
Yes. 沒錯
In which case what may be at issue is that a certain sexual constraint 也就是說 問題可能在於 由於對接二連三懷孕的擔心
has been brought about by a fear of a succession of endless pregnancies. 你產生了某種性壓抑
I'm bound to say that if one of my patients had brought me 我不得不說 如果是我的病人對我說出這個夢
this dream I might have said that the number of restraining 我會說 這匹不幸的馬遇到的
elements surrounding this unfortunate horse could perhaps point 一系列阻礙因素 可能暗指
to the determined suppression of some unruly sexual desire. 某種無法控制的不合理的強烈性慾
Yes. 是的
There is that as well. 也存在這個可能
I wonder if you're aware of the fact that our conversation has so far lasted 13 hours? 我在想你是否意識到我們的談話已經進行了13個小時?
I'm so sorry. 很抱歉
I had no idea. 我完全沒意識到
My dear young colleague, please don't apologize. 我親愛的戰友 沒有道歉的必要
It was our first meeting, we had a great deal to say to one another. 作為第一次會面 我們當然有說不完的話題
And unless I'm much mistaken, we always will. 如果我沒猜錯的話 我們以後也會如此深談
I shall have to be extremely careful. 我應該慎之又慎
What do you mean? 什麼意思?
Why? 為什麼?
He's so persuasive, he's so convincing. 他太具有說服力了 令人心悅誠服
He makes you feel you should abandon your own ideas and simply follow in his wake. 他會讓你覺得你應該放棄自己觀點 順著他的思路來
His followers in Vienna are all deeply unimpressive. 他在維也納的那些追隨者太平庸了
A crowd of Bohemians and degenerates just picking up the crumbs from his table. 一群只會拾其牙慧的波西米亞墮落者們
Well, perhaps he's reached the stage where obedience 也許 他已經達到了某種境界
is more important to him than originality. 對他來說 附和比創造更重要
Hm. 嗯
I tried to tackle him about his obsession with sexuality, his 我試圖扭轉他對性理論的過分癡迷
insistence on interpreting every symptom in sexual terms. 扭轉他對所有病症都在性方面做出解釋的執著
But he's completely inflexible. 但是他真是頑固透頂
In my case, of course he'll have been right. 在我的病例中 毫無疑問 他是對的
Yes, as you would expect him to be in many cases. 沒錯 可以肯定 在很多病例中他都會是對的
Possibly even the majority of cases. 甚至在絕大多數病例中都對
But there must be more than one hinge into the universe. 但是精神病因絕不可能都只是性引起的
Do you like Wagner? 你喜歡瓦格納(德國作曲家)嗎?
The music and the man, yes. 他的音樂和他的人 都喜歡
I'm very interested in the myth of Siegfried. 我對齊格弗裡德(瓦格納歌劇的主角)的故事很感興趣
The idea that something pure and heroic can come... 有種觀點認為純潔和英雄主義來源於...
can perhaps only come... from a sin, even a sin as dark as incest. 可能只來源於... 罪孽 甚至是骯髒如亂倫的罪孽
This is very strange. 真是奇怪了
What? 什麼?
As I've told you, I don't believe in coincidence. 我跟你說過 我是不相信巧合的
I believe nothing happens by accident. 我相信任何事都不是偶然
All these things have significance. 任何事的發生都有其深刻含義
The fact is I'm in the middle of writing something myself about the Siegfried myth. 事實上 我自己正在寫一些關於齊格弗裡德故事的文章
Are you really? 真的?
I assure you. 我保證
Which is your favourite of the operas? 你最喜歡他的哪部歌劇?
Das Rheingold. 萊茵的黃金
Yes, that's right. 那就沒錯了
Mine too. 我也最喜歡這部
Can I ask you something? 能問你一個問題嗎?
Of course. 當然
Do you think there's any possibility I could ever be a psychiatrist? 你覺得我還有可能成為精神病醫生嗎?
I know you could. 我相信你可以
I hear nothing but good reports on your work at the university. 我一直聽到對於你在大學的表現的誇獎
You're exactly the kind of person we need. 你正是我們需要的人
Insane, you mean? 你是說瘋子嗎?
Yes. 是的
We sane doctors have serious limitations. 我們這些正常的醫生總是有很大的局限
Dear friend, I feel I can, at last, permit myself this informal 親愛的朋友 終於 我想我能夠允許自己在
mode of address as I ask you to grant me a very particular favour. 請你幫我一個非常特別的忙的時候 用這種不正式的稱呼
Dr. Otto Gross, a most brilliant but erratic Otto Gross醫生 他聰明絕頂
character, is urgently in need of your medical help. 但是行事古怪 現在很需要你的治療
I consider him, apart from yourself, the only man 在我看來 他是除你之外
capable of making a major contribution to our field. 唯一能在我們的領域有重大建樹的人
Whatever you do, don't let him out before October 無論如何 請將他留到十月份
when I shall be able to take him over from you. 到時候我就可以從你那兒把他接走
And remember his father's warning, made when Otto was only a very small child, 記住他父親在他還是個小孩時作出的忠告
watch out for him, he bites. 小心看管 他會咬人的
You still feel threatened by your father? 你還是能感到你父親的威脅嗎?
Anyone with any sense feels threatened by my father. 任何有點知覺的人 都會感覺到我父親的威脅
He is extremely threatening. 他威脅性太強了
His wish to have you hospitalized, you don't think 他想讓你住院 你不覺得
that arises from a concern for your welfare? 他這一想法 是為了你好嗎?
Listen, what does any normal old patriarch want in the twilight of his life? 聽我說 一個正常的家長在他晚年最想要什麼?
Grandchildren, grandsons, am I right? 孫兒 孫子 對吧?
And yet, last summer, when I presented him with not one, but two little Grosses, 但是 去年夏天 我給他帶來了兩個孫子
one by my wife, one by one of my most respectable mistresses, was he grateful? 一個是我妻子生的 一個是我最可敬的情婦生的 他高興了嗎?
And now that there's another one on the way, admittedly 現在呢 又有了一個快出世的孩子
by some woman I hardly know, he's apoplectic. 孩子的媽我不怎麼認識 他都暴跳如雷了
And all he can think is to get me banged away in some institution. 他整天就想著把我關進精神病院
You got any children? 你有孩子嗎?
Two girls. 兩個女兒
Same mother? 一個母親?
Yes. 是的
So you're not a believer in monogamy? 所以你不信奉單偶制?
For a neurotic like myself, I can't possibly imagine a more stressful concept. 像我這樣的精神病人 無法想像比這更壓抑的觀念了
And you don't find it necessary or 你不覺得施加一些限制
desirable to exercise some restraint 以使得文明社會有效運轉
as a contribution, say, to the smooth functioning of civilization? 是必要而且值得的嗎?
What, and make myself ill? 然後呢 讓自己遭罪?
I should have thought that some form of sexual repression 我會覺得 在任何理性的社會裡
would have to be practiced in any rational society. 都應該實行某種形式的性壓制
No wonder the hospitals are bulging at the seams. 難怪現在的醫院都要擠爆了
Tell me, do you find the best way to enhance your popularity with 告訴我 你有沒有發現贏得患者歡心的最好方式
your patients is to tell them whatever it is they most want to hear? 是對他們說他們最愛聽的?
What does it matter whether we're popular with them or not? 受不受他們歡迎有什麼關係呢?
Well, I don't know. 呵 我不知道
Suppose you want to fuck them? 假如你想上了他們呢?
If there is one thing I've learned in my short life, 如果說我從我短暫的人生中學到什麼
it's death... never repress anything. 那就是死亡... 絕不壓制一切
So you've never slept with any of your patients? 那麼你從來沒睡過你的病人?
Of course not. 當然沒有
I have to steer through the temptations of transference and 我得抵禦移情與反移情的誘惑
counter-transference and that's an essential stage of the process. 而這也是治療過程的必要環節
When transference occurs, 在移情過程中
when the patient becomes fixated on me, I explain 如果病人迷戀上我 我會向她解釋
to her that this is merely a symbol of her wretched monogamous habits. 這不過是她固有單偶惡習的一種象徵
I assure her that it's fine to want to sleep with me, 我會向她保證跟我睡沒問題
but only if, at the same time, 只是與此同時
she acknowledges to herself that 她得對自己承認
she wants to sleep with a great many other people. 她也想和其他很多男人一起睡
Suppose she doesn't? 要是她不想呢?
Then it's my job to convince her that's part of the illness. 那我就該讓她相信 這是她病症的一部分
That's what people are like. 這就是人的本質
If we don't tell them the truth, who will? 如果我們不告訴他們真相 誰會呢?
You think Freud's right? 你覺得弗洛伊德是對的?
You think all neurosis is of exclusively sexual origin? 你覺得精神病僅由性引發?
I think Freud's obsession with sex probably has a great 我覺得弗洛伊德對於性理論的沉迷
deal to do with the fact that he never gets any. 很大程度上是因為他從未有過性愛
You could be right. 或許你是對的
It seems to me a measure of the true perversity of the human race, 在我看來 衡量人類真正的邪惡的標尺
that one of its very few reliably pleasurable activities 人類極少的歡愉活動之一
should be the subject of so much hysteria and repression. 應該成為多數歇斯底里症和壓抑的主題
But not to repress yourself 但不壓抑自身
is to unleash all kinds of dangerous and destructive forces. 就等同於釋放一切危險且具毀滅性的力量
Our job is to make our patients capable of freedom. 我們的工作是讓患者得以自由
I've heard it said that you helped one of your patients to kill herself. 我聽說你協助過你的一個病人自殺
She was resolutely suicidal. 她堅決想要自殺
I just explained how she could do it without botching it. 我只是告訴她怎麼才能不費神
Then I asked her if she didn't prefer the idea of becoming my lover. 接著我問她難道不想成為我的情人
She opted for both. 她兩樣都選了
That can't be what we want for our patients. 那不是我們該向病人索取的
Freedom is freedom. 自由就是自由
I've been thinking about Wagner's opera. 我一直思考著瓦格納的歌劇
In it, he says that perfection can only be arrived at through 他在其中提到 完美只能源自
what is conventionally thought of as sin, is that right? 通常被認為是罪惡的事物 對嗎?
Which must surely have to do with 這與對立的雙方
the energy created by the friction of opposites. 摩擦產生的能量 密切相關
Not just that you're the doctor and I'm the patient, 不僅因為你是醫生我是病人
but that you're Swiss and I'm Russian. 還因為你是瑞士人而我是俄國人
I'm Jewish and you're Aryan and all other kinds of darker differences. 我是猶太人而你是雅利安人 或者其他更邪惡的差異
Darker? 邪惡?
If I'm right, only the clash of destructive forces 在我看來 只有毀滅性力量的碰撞
can create something new. 才能創造新事物
When my father brought me to you, I was very ill and my illness was sexual. 我父親送我來這兒時 我病得很重而且與性相關
It's clear that the subject I'm studying is entirely grounded in sexuality. 顯而易見 我所學的科目完全基於性的方面
So, naturally, I'm becoming more and more acutely 所以自然而然 我越發清醒地認識到
aware of the fact that I have no sexual experience. 自己並無性經驗
Law students are not normally expected to rob banks. 學法律的學生 一般可不會去搶銀行啊
It's generally thought to be the man who should take the initiative. 按照常理 應當是男人採取主動
Don't you think there's something male in every woman? 你不覺得每個女人都有男性的一面?
And something female in every man? 而每個男人也有女性的一面嗎?
Or should be? 或者應該有?
Maybe. 可能吧
I expect you're right, yes. 我想你是對的 嗯
If you ever want to take the initiative, I live 如果你什麼時候想採取主動了
in that building there, where the bay window is. 我就住在那邊的樓裡 有窗台的那個
I can't understand what you're waiting for. 我不明白你在等什麼
Just take her to some secluded spot 把她帶到個隱蔽角落
and thrash her to within any inch of her life. 抽打她的每一寸身體
That's clearly what she wants. 這正是她想要的
How can you deny her such a simple pleasure? 你怎麼能拒絕她如此純粹的歡愉呢?
Pleasure is never simple, as you very well know. 歡愉從不純粹 這點你很清楚
It is. 純粹
Of course it is. 當然純粹
Until we decide to complicate it. 只是我們將其複雜化
What my father calls maturity. 我父親稱之為成熟
What I call surrender. 我則稱之為屈服
Surrender, for me, would be to give in to these urges. 對我而言 聽由慾望擺佈才叫屈服
Then surrender. 那就屈服啊
It doesn't matter what you call it 你稱之為什麼不重要
as long as you don't let the experience escape. 只要你別讓機會溜走
That's my prescription. 這就是我的藥方
I'm supposed to be treating you. 應該是我治療你的
And it's been most effective. 的確很有效啊
I'll say the analysis was not too far from completion. 我覺得分析也該結束了
Mine, yes. 對我的分析 是該結束了
Not so sure about yours. 對你的 就不確定了
I've been spending so much time with him, 我在他身上花費太多時間
I'm afraid I've been neglecting some of my other patients. 恐怕我忽略了自己的其他病人
He's immensely seductive, quite sure he's right and obsessionally neurotic. 他極具蠱惑力 堅信自己是正確的 令人迷惑的神經質
Pretty dangerous, in fact. 實際上 這很危險
Do you mean you doubt your powers to convince him? 你是說你懷疑自己說服他的能力嗎?
Worse than that. 比這更糟
What I'm afraid of is his power to convince me. 我害怕的是他說服我的能力
On the subject of monogamy, for example. 比如 單偶制的問題
Why should we put so much frantic effort 我們為什麼要如此勞神費力地
into suppressing our most basic natural instincts? 壓抑我們的最原始的本能呢?
I don't know. 我不知道
You tell me. 你告訴我
Thank you. 謝謝
I really needed that. 我真的很需要
Dr. Jung, rest assured that thanks to you, I am alive and healthy. 榮格醫生 真誠地表示謝謝 我活著 而且健康
But please be so good as to tell my father that I am dead. 但是煩請告知我父親 我已經死了
And whatever you do, do not pass by the oasis without stopping to drink. 另外 無論如何 經過綠洲時 不要一口水都不喝就走了
Otto. Otta敬上
Who is it? 誰?
A friend. 朋友
Come inside. 進來吧
It's so beautiful. 這兒真美
I feel as though we've always lived here. 感覺好像我們一直住在這兒一樣
They say we'll be able to move in by the end of the week. 他們說我們在這週末就能搬進去了
I'm sorry to be like this again. 抱歉我又這樣了
What do you mean? 什麼意思?
So big and unattractive. 空洞無趣
Don't be absurd. 別傻了
I expect you wish you were a polygamist, like Otto Gross. 我猜你希望自己是個多配偶者 像Otto Gross一樣
If I were, it would be something quite different than what we have, 我要真是那樣 現今神聖的一切
which is sacred. 將會有所不同
I would have to be sure you understood that. 我要確保你明白這點
I wouldn't want to know anything about it. 我不想知道任何一切
I have a surprise for you. 我有個驚喜給你
The boat you always wanted with red sails. 你一直想要的 帶著紅帆的船
Thank you. 謝謝
Thank you for all of this. 謝謝你所做的一切
You're a good man. 你是個好男人
You deserve everything that's good. 你應該得到一切美好的
If I say something, will you promise not to take it the wrong way? 我想說點事兒 你能保證不亂想嗎?
What? 什麼?
Don't you think we ought to stop... 你不覺得我們應該...
now? 結束嗎?
I'm married. 我結過婚了
Obviously, I'm being deceitful. 很明顯 我在出軌
Is it right for us to perpetuate this deceit? 我們還能這樣繼續這段婚外情嗎?
Do you want to stop? 你想結束?
Of course I don't. 當然不想
When you make love to your wife, how is it? 當你和你妻子做愛時 感覺如何?
Describe it to me. 跟我描述下
When you live under the same roof with someone, it becomes habit. 當你同一個人朝夕相處 自然就成了習慣
You know, it's always very tender. 一直都很溫柔
Then this is another thing. 那跟我 將是另一番感受
Another thing in another country. 來自另一國度的體驗
With me, I want you to be ferocious. 對我而言 我要你威猛
I want you to punish me. 我要你懲虐我
I knew it was a boy this time. 我就知道這次是男孩
I told you. 早跟你說過的
I believed you. 我相信
Will you come back to us now? 你會回到我們身邊嗎?
Pity. 可惜
I should never have sent Doctor Gross to you. 我真不該把Gross醫生送到你那兒
I blame myself. 我很自責
No, I'm very grateful you did. 不 相反我還要謝謝你
All those provocative discussions helped crystallize a lot of my thinking. 那些具有激發性的討論 讓我的思緒明晰了很多
Hm. 嗯
Did he really send you his hotel bill? 他真的把他的旅店賬單寄給你了?
Only for a couple of nights. 不過幾晚而已
He's an addict. 他是個癮君子
I can see that now. 我現在明白了
He can only end by doing great harm to our movement. 他只會對我們的行動造成危害
You realize this makes you undisputed Crown Prince, don't you? 這意味著你成為了無可爭辯的王儲 你知不知道?
My son and heir? 我的兒子和繼承人?
I'm not sure I deserve such an accolade. 我不確定能擔得起這份榮譽
Don't say another word. 別說了
I often take my walk up here. 我經常在這裡散步
It's inspired some of my best ideas. 這激發了一些最好的靈感
You mustn't think I have a closed mind. 你別覺得我思維閉塞
I have absolutely no objection to your studying 你可以盡情研究你的心靈感應
telepathy or parapsychology to your heart's content. 或者通靈學 我絕不反對
But I would make the point that our own field is so embattled that 但我想說的是 我們的研究領域已經四面楚歌了
it can only be dangerous to stray into any kind of mysticism. 再迷困於任何一種神秘論 都是十分危險的
Don't you see? 你不明嗎?
We have to stay within the most rigorously scientific confines. 我們必須把研究 限定在極為嚴格的科學範疇內
Are you all right? 你還好吧?
Yes, but I can't agree with you. 嗯 不過我不同意
Why should we draw some arbitrary line 為什麼我們要武斷地做界定
and rule out whole areas of investigation? 然後放棄其他所有領域的研究呢?
Precisely because the world is full of enemies 正是因為這個世界充滿反對者
looking for any way they can to discredit us. 想盡一切方法使我們名譽掃地
And the moment they see us abandon the firm ground of sexual theory 一旦他們看到我們放棄性理論的堅定立場
to wallow in the black mud of superstition they will pounce. 而沉湎於虛妄的泥潭 他們就會洶湧襲來
As far as I'm concerned, 在我看來
even to raise these subjects is professional suicide. 僅提出這些概念 都等同於職業自殺
I knew that was going to happen! 我早知道會如此!
What? 什麼?
I felt something like that was going to happen. 我意識到這種事情會發生
I had a kind of burning in my stomach. 我感到我的胃在灼燒
What are you talking about? 你在說什麼?
It's the heating. 只是壁爐啊
The wood in the bookcase just cracked, that's all. 書架的木頭崩裂了 就這樣啊
No. 不
It's what's known as a catalytic exteriorization phenomenon. 這就是所謂的催化顯示現象
A what? 所謂的啥?
A catalytic exteriorization phenomenon. 催化顯示現象
Don't be ridiculous. 別開玩笑了
My diaphragm started to glow red hot. 我的隔膜開始灼燒
And another thing... it's going to happen again. 另一件事... 即將發生
What? 什麼?
In a minute, it's going to happen again. 一分鐘內 又將發生
My dear young friend, this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. 我親愛的年輕人 這正是我所說的那種事啊
You see? 看到了吧?
That's just... 這只是...
you really can't be serious. 你沒必要這麼認真
There are so many mysteries, so much further to go. 有很多未解之謎 需要一一解開
Please. 行了
We can't be too careful. 我們不能太當真
We can't afford to wander into these speculative areas. 我們不能陷於這種猜測性領域
Telepathy, singing bookcases, fairies at the bottom of the garden. 心靈感應 會唱歌的書架 花園深處的小精靈
It won't do. 不行
It won't do. 這不行
There's a poem by Lermontov keeps going round my head 我腦中不停回想萊蒙托夫的一首詩
about a prisoner who finally 一個犯人將小鳥從籠中放出
achieves some happiness when he succeeds in releasing a bird from its cage. 最終得到快樂
Why do you think this is preoccupying you? 你為什麼揪念這句呢?
I think it means that when I become a doctor what I want 我認為 當我成為一名醫生之後
more than anything is to give people back their freedom... 我最想做的就是給我的病人以自由...
the way you gave me mine. 就像你給我那樣
Right. 嗯
That's enough now. 夠了
There we go. 起身吧
Fascinating. 真有趣
Come along, my dear. 來啊 親愛的
All the standard symptoms of the nymphomaniac. 花癡者的標準症狀
Yes. 嗯 是有趣
Except that whenever anyone responded to her advances, 掃興的是 一旦任何人回應她的求愛
she would run a mile. 她就會跑的遠遠的
That's the puzzling feature of the case. 這個案例最讓我困惑的地方
Hm. 嗯
I must say it's a great pleasure to see you in your natural habitat. 我得說 看到你重回正常研究領域真是令人愉悅
There's a rumour running around Vienna that 維也納流傳
you've taken one of your patients as a mistress. 你把一個患者變成了你的情人
It's absolutely untrue. 這完全是謠傳
Well, of course it is. 呃 當然是
So I've been telling everyone. 所以我一直跟人這麼說
What's being said? 流言怎麼說的?
Oh, I don't know. 呃 我不知道
That the woman's been bragging about it. 說那女人四處吹噓
That somebody is sending out anonymous letters. 說有人寄出了很多匿名信
The usual sort of thing. 很尋常的一件事
Bound to happen sooner or later. 遲早要發生的
It's an occupational hazard. 這不過是一種職業病
Yes. 嗯
I hope I'll never be stupid enough 我真希望自己別那麼傻
to get emotionally involved with a patient. 跟我的病人有什麼感情糾葛
I'm confused. 我很疑惑
I feel trapped. 我感覺陷入了困境
I've trapped myself into feeling divided, guilty. 我把自己困在分裂與罪惡當中
I've never wanted you to feel guilty. 我從未想讓你有負罪感
I don't see how we can go on. 我不知道我們該怎麼走下去
You mustn't say that. 別說這種話
I have some kind of illness. 我病了
Try to remember the love and patience I showed towards you when you were ill. 想想當你生病的時候我給你的那些關愛和耐心吧
That's what I need from you now. 現在我希望你也能給我
Of course. 當然
You have it always. 我一直都這麼做
Oh, please don't go. 噢 請別離開
I must. 我得走了
I have to. 我不得不走
No. 不要
I have to. 我得走了
No! 不!
I have to! 我必須走了!
I can't say I'm sorry to say goodbye to him. 和他告別我一點都不遺憾
Not the easiest house-guest we've ever had. 他實在算不上是個隨和的訪客
No. 的確不是
I don't think he ever recovered from the first view of the house. 比起他那個維也納的小公寓
Still, I suppose compared to that tiny flat in Vienna... 我覺得他從見了這房子之後就沒恢復正常過...
Why did he refuse to meet the Herr Direktor? 為什麼他拒絕見主任先生?
Oh, he's always been a great one for bearing incomprehensible grudges. 哦 對別人產生不可理喻的怨恨 他很在行
Did he say anything to you about anonymous letters? 他跟你講了有關匿名信的事嗎?
Surely you didn't think I'll let you go without putting up a fight? 說真的 你以為我會輕易放你走嗎?
Fraulein Spielrein! Spielrein 小姐!
Why are you doing this? 你為什麼要這麼做?
Please sit down. 請坐
And how could you treat me this way? 你怎麼可以這樣對我?
Sit down. 坐下
I tried to explain the situation to your mother. 我試著向你母親解釋情況
I don't know how you dared say those things to her. 我不知道你怎麼敢跟她說這事兒
She came in waving an anonymous letter demanding to know if it was true. 她拿著一封匿名信過來 要求證實其真偽
I told her even if it were, the position would not be 我告訴她即使是真的 這事也不是
quite as she imagined, since you're no longer my patient. 她想的那樣 因為你不再是我的病人了
Of course I'm your patient. 我當然是你的病人
Technically not. 嚴格來說不是
Not since I stopped charging you. 自從我停止向你收費後就不是了
That's what she said. 她就是這麼說的
I told her I didn't believe her and she told me 我告訴她我不相信她 而她告訴我
you said your fee was 20 francs a consultation. 你說每次咨詢費用是20法郎
I was trying to make the point that I would take you back as a patient 我是想表明 我會重新接收你作為我的病人
but that I could only undertake to see you inside this office. 但我只能答應 在這個辦公室見你
How can you be so cold and offhand? 你怎麼能如此冷漠和粗魯?
I was trying to make her understand the distinction between a patient and a friend. 我只是試著讓她明白病人和朋友之間的區別
Listen... I've made a stupid mistake. 聽著... 我犯了個愚蠢的錯誤
Is that what it was? 我們之間是個錯誤麼?
I broke one of the elementary rules of my profession. 我違反了我職業裡的一條基本原則
I'm your doctor and I believe I did you some good. 我是你的醫生 並且我相信我曾對你有所幫助
I can't forgive myself for overstepping the mark. 我無法原諒自己的越界
I should have known that if I gave you what you 我早該知道 我滿足你以後
wanted you wouldn't be able to help wanting more. 你的慾望只會無限制的膨脹
I don't want more. 我沒想要更多
And I never wanted more. 我也從未要更多
I never asked for more. 我從未開口要更多
You didn't have to ask. 你不必開口說
And even if you're right, which I dispute, do you 拋開別的不說 就算你是對的
think this is a proper way to behave towards me? 你覺得這麼對待我合適嗎?
Refusing to speak to me except in your office? 除非在你的辦公室 否則就不和我說話了?
I'm your physician. 我是你的醫生
From now on, that's all I can be. 從現在開始 我們就只是醫生和病人的關係
Don't you love me anymore? 你不再愛我了嗎?
Only as your physician. 只能作為你的醫生來愛你
You think I'm going to stand for this? 你覺得我能忍受得了嗎?
What choice do you have? 那你還能怎樣?
And there's your 20 francs. 這是你的20法郎
Dear Professor Freud, I would be most grateful if you would allow me to 尊敬的弗洛伊德教授 我希望能前往
come and visit you in Vienna on a matter of great interest to us both. 維也納 與您討論我們共同興趣所在之事 如能應允 不勝感激
Dear Friend, I have just received this extremely strange letter. 親愛的朋友 我剛剛收到這封極其奇怪的信
Do you know this woman? 你認識這個女人嗎?
Who is she? 她是誰?
As you will not doubt recall, Spielrein was the case that brought you and me together, 你一定記得 正是Spielrein的病例讓我們相識
for which reason I've always regarded her with special gratitude and affection... 正因如此 我一直對她懷有特殊的感激和愛憐之情
until I understood that she was systematically planning my seduction. 直到我意識到 她是如何一步步請我入甕的
Now I have no idea what her intentions may be. 現在我不知道她想要做什麼
Revenge, I suspect. 我懷疑是報復
I have never shown such friendship to a patient. 我從未對一個病人有如此友情
Nor have I ever been made to suffer so much in return. 也從未遭受過這麼多的折磨 作為代價
I am hoping you will agree to act as a kind of go-between and avert a disaster. 我希望你能同意作為一個中間人 來阻止這場災難
Your famous saying is carved in block letters on my heart... 你的名言 我銘記在心...
whatever you do, give up any idea of trying to cure them. 不管你做什麼 不要有任何試圖治癒他們的念頭
Experiences like this, however painful, are necessary and inevitable. 像這樣的經歷 不管有多痛苦 都是必要的也是必然的
Without them, how can we know life? 沒有這些 我們怎麼能瞭解人生?
Dear Miss Spielrein, 親愛的Spielrein小姐
Dr.Jung is a good friend and colleague of mine whom I believe Jung醫生是我的好友及同事 我相信
to be incapable of frivolous or shabby behaviour. 他是不可能作出輕率或卑劣之行徑的
What I infer from your letter is that you used to be close friends, but are no longer so. 我從你的來信中推測 你們曾經是親密的朋友 但已今非昔比了
If this is the case I would urge you to consider whether 若事實確實如此 是否請你顧念下
the feelings that have survived this close friendship are 你們曾經的感情
not best suppressed and forgotten and without the 不要再去壓抑或拋棄它
intervention and involvement of third persons such as myself. 也不要讓像我這樣的第三方 來介入干涉呢?
Herr Doctor. 醫生先生
Fraulein Spielrein. Spielrein小姐來了
What is it? 有什麼事嗎?
I heard you were leaving the hospital. 聽說你要離開醫院了
As you see. 如你所見
People are saying it's because of the scandal I caused. 人們都說是因為我造成的緋聞
I'll been planning to leave anyway. 我總歸是要走的
Well, I'm sorry if... I precipitated it. 好吧 我很抱歉 如果... 我加快促使了你的離開
You've always been something of a catalyst. 你總能促進事情發展的
I've had a letter from Professor Freud. 我收到一封弗洛伊德教授的信
Oh, yes? 哦 是嗎?
The thing that shone through was how much he loves you. 顯而易見他非常關照你
But... what was also clear is that you denied everything. 但是... 也很明顯 你否認了一切
You let him think I was a fantasist or a liar. 你讓他以為我是個妄想狂或騙子
I don't see that it's any of his business. 我覺得這不關他的事
I've come here to ask you to tell the truth. 我是來讓你講出實情的
What? 什麼?
I want you to write to him and tell him everything. 我要你寫信給他告訴他一切
And then I want him to write to me again to confirm that you've told him everything. 然後我要他給我回信 以確認你已經講出了實情
Are you blackmailing me? 你在敲詐我嗎?
I'm asking you to tell the truth. 我是來請你說出實情
Why is this so important to you? 這怎麼就對你這麼重要?
I want him to take me as his patient. 我想讓他收我這個病人
Does it have to be him? 非他不可嗎?
It has to be him. 非他不可
You don't feel the same way about him, do you? 你對他另有看法 對吧?
I'm disappointed by his rigid pragmatism, his insistence that nothing can possibly 對於他那死板的實用主義 還有他對於
exist unless some puny or transitory intelligence has first become aware of it. 沒有證據則一切皆不存在的執念 我感到非常失望
All the same, will you write to him? 好吧 你會給他寫信嗎?
I could have damaged you, you know? 我本可以毀了你的 你知道吧?
Far worse than I did. 比這要糟得多
I chose not to. 可我沒有
All right. 好吧
I'll do it. 我寫
Thank you. 謝謝
It means everything to me. 這對我至關重要
Are you going somewhere for the summer? 你這個夏天要去什麼地方嗎?
Berlin with my parents. 跟我父母去柏林
But you are going to come back to the university to qualify? 可你不是要回學校來做資格認證嗎?
Of course. 當然
I'm going to America with Freud, although he doesn't yet know it. 我要跟弗洛伊德先生去美國 雖然他現在還不知道
That's nice. 很好
Good bye. 再見
In view of my friendship for the patient and her 念及對我病人之友情以及
complete trust in me, what I did was indefensible. 她對我誠摯之信任 我之前所說難以自圓
I confess this, very unhappily, to you, my father-figure... 故向閣下 我之父輩 懷疚坦言...
Hm. 嗯
Dear Miss Spielrein, I owe you an apology. 親愛的Spielrein小姐 在此特向您致歉
But the fact that I was wrong and that the man is to be blamed 然而意識到自己之失誤 以及這件事的罪責在於男方而非女方
rather than the woman satisfies my own need to revere women. 讓我對女性之崇敬倍加
Please accept my admiration for the very dignified 您化解這一衝突的高風亮節
way in which you have resolved this conflict. 讓我十分欽佩
Do we have all the necessary paperwork, Ferenczi? 必要的文書都準備妥當了嗎 Ferenczi先生?
I have everything, Professor. 都在這呢 教授
Hm. 嗯
Good. 很好
I've always been in two minds about America. 我對美國這事一直舉棋不定
Maybe we made a foolish error. 也許我們犯了個愚蠢的錯誤
Do they really want us there? 他們真心想請我們去嗎?
They postponed the Congress for two months so that you could attend. 他們把會議推遲了兩個月 就為了讓你能出席
Surely that gives you some indication. 應該可見一斑了
Hm. 嗯
Yes. 是呢
I think it's going to be a great adventure. 我想這一定會是次絕妙的征程
Yes. 沒錯
I hope you're right. 希望如你所願
I go this way. 我走這邊了
What do you mean? 啥意思?
I left my wife to make the arrangements. 我的旅程事宜交給我太太安排了
I'm afraid she's booked me a first-class state room. 結果她給我預定的是頭等艙
I see. 瞭解了
I was on the Swiss-Austrian border somewhere in the mountains at dusk. 黃昏時候 我在山間瑞士和奧地利邊境線上
There was a long wait because everybody's baggage was being searched. 漫長的等待 因為每個人的行李都要搜查
I noticed a decrepit customs official wearing the old royal and imperial uniform. 我發現一個年老的海關官員 穿著一身舊的皇家帝國制服
And I was watching him walking up and down with his melancholy and 我看著他來回走著 帶著一臉憂鬱
disgruntled expression, when someone said to me, He isn't really there. 而失落的神情 然後有人對我說 他並不真的存在
He's a ghost who still hasn't found out how to die properly. 他是個鬼 還沒找到怎麼個死法好的鬼
Is that the whole dream? 整個夢就這樣了?
All I can remember. 我能記得就這些
Did you say the Swiss-Austrian border? 剛才你說瑞士與奧地利的邊境?
Yes. 是
Must have something to do with us. 一定跟我們有關
You think so? 你這麼想的?
Everybody's being searched. 每個人都要搜查
Hm? 是嗎?
Perhaps that's an indication that the ideas which used to flow so 也許這暗示著 那些曾經在我們之間暢通無阻的
freely between us are now subject to a most suspicious examination. 想法交流 現在要受到極其嚴苛的審查了
You mean the ideas flowing in your direction. 你是指我提出的那些想法
And I'm afraid the old relic shuffling about in this 恐怕那個來回遊蕩
entirely useless fashion must almost certainly be me. 穿著極不入時的老不死 一定是我了吧
Wait a minute. 等等
Whom you very mercifully wish could be put out of his misery. 你非常仁慈地希望能了結他的痛苦
A humane death wish. 一個仁慈的死亡願望
Perhaps the fact that he was unable to die simply indicated the immortality of his ideas. 也許他不能死去 只表明他的思想永恆不朽
Oh. 哦
Yes. 對
So you agree it must have been me? 所以你認同那一定是我咯?
I didn't say that. 我沒這麼說
No. 沒錯
Never mind. 算了
It's a most entertaining example. 這是個很有趣的實例
What about you? 你呢?
Do you have a dream to report? 你有什麼夢要談的嗎?
I had a most elaborate dream last night. 我昨晚做了個非常複雜的夢
Particularly rich. 極其豐富
Well, let's hear it. 好吧 說來聽聽
I'll love to tell you but I don't think I should. 我也很樂意告訴你 可是我不能說
Why ever not? 為什麼不呢?
I wouldn't want to risk my authority. 我不想拿自己的權威冒險
Take it from me, what you're looking at is the future. 我敢說 你眼前就是未來
You think they know we're on our way, bringing them the plague? 你覺得 他們會知道 我們正在傳播思想瘟疫嗎?
Fraulein Spielrein. Spielrein小姐
Whose idea was it for you to send me your dissertation? 誰給你出的主意 讓你把論文寄給我?
The Herr Direktor. 主任先生
Yes, of course. 是 當然
He kept insisting this was the kind of material you were looking for for your Yearbook. 他堅持認為 這正是你為你的年鑒尋求的材料
It certainly is a very fascinating case you've chosen to investigate. 你探究的案例確實非常吸引人
But if we're to consider it for the Yearbook, there are 但是如果要加入年鑒中的話 還有
one or two mistakes which will have to be dealt with. 一兩個錯誤需要處理一下
Of course. 那是當然
Might you have a little time to discuss all this? 你有時間來討論一下嗎?
Yes. 有
When I left the hospital and moved out here I was afraid it would take 離開醫院來到這的時候 我擔心自己需要好幾年的時間...
years to build up a roster of patients but I'm already under siege. 才能收滿一個花名冊的病人 但是現在已經忙得不可開交了
Anyway, I don't see why a little more work won't 總之 我覺得多些工作經驗和素材來充實
make your dissertation eminently publishable. 一定能讓你的論文更具出版性
Do you think we'll be able to work on it together without... ? 你覺得我們能在一起工作 又不會那啥... ?
It's always going to be something of a risk, us seeing one another. 我們彼此面對 總會有點危險的
Yes. 是
But I believe we have the character to be able to deal with the situation, don't you? 但我相信 以我們的定力 能應付得了 你覺得呢?
I hope so. 希望如此
I somehow imagined you'll have found another admirer by now. 我以為你又有了新的愛慕者了呢
No. 沒有
You were the jewel of great price. 你像一顆價值不菲的明珠
Shall we say this time next Tuesday? 我們約下個星期二如何?
And I'll start gently ripping you to shreds. 到時候我會把你批得體無完膚的
Explain this analogy you make between the sex instinct and the death instinct. 解釋一下 你這裡對性本能和死亡本能的類比
Professor Freud claims that the sexual drive arises from a simple urge towards pleasure. 弗洛伊德教授認為 性衝動源於對快感的嚮往
If he's right, the question is why is this urge so often successfully repressed? 假使他是對的 那問題是為什麼這種慾望 老是能成功地被壓抑呢?
You used to have a theory involving the impulse towards 你曾經有個理論
destruction and self-destruction, losing oneself. 關於毀滅與自我毀滅 迷失自我
Well, suppose we think of sexuality as fusion... losing oneself, as you say, but 假設我們把性看成一種融合... 迷失自我 如你所說 但是
losing oneself in the other... in other words, destroying one's own individuality. 迷失自我就是... 換句話說 摧毀個性
Wouldn't the ego, in self-defense, automatically resist that impulse? 難道自我 出於自衛 不會無意識地壓抑這種衝動嗎?
You mean for selfish not for social reasons? 你是說是因為自私而不是社會原因?
Yes. 對
I'm saying that perhaps true sexuality demands the destruction of the ego. 我是說 可能真正的性需要摧毀自我
In other words, the opposite of what Freud proposes. 換句話說 與弗洛伊德提出的剛好相反
When I graduate, I've decided to leave Zurich. 畢業後 我決定離開蘇黎世
I have to. 必須的
Why? 為什麼?
You know why. 你知道是為什麼
It's true. 確實
I'm nothing but a philistine Swiss bourgeois complacent coward. 我不過就是個 俗氣的瑞士懦夫 貪圖享樂 自得自滿
I want to leave everything, break away and disappear with you. 我想放下所有 和你一起私奔 隱姓埋名
Then comes the voice of the philistine. 流言蜚語也就隨之而來
Where will you go? 你會去哪呢?
Vienna, maybe. 維也納 也許吧
Please don't go there. 求你了別去那裡
I must go wherever I need to feel free. 我必須去一個能讓我感到自由的地方
Don't... 不要...
You know your paper... 你知道你的論文...
led to one of the most stimulating discussions 引起了一場非常振奮人心的討論
we've ever had at the Psychoanalytic Society. 這是精神分析協會前所未遇的
Do you really think the sexual drive is a demonic and destructive force? 你真的認為性衝動是一種魔鬼般的毀滅性的力量嗎?
Yes, at the same time as being a creative force, in the sense that it can 是的 同時也是一種創造力 因為它
produce, out of the destruction of two individualities, a new being. 在毀滅兩個人的個性時也促成了一個新的個性的形成
But the individual must always overcome resistance because 但是這種個性必須時刻克服阻力
of the self-annihilating nature of the sexual act. 因為性行為具有自我湮滅性
Hm. 嗯
I've fought against the idea for some time, but I suppose there 我一直反對這種觀點 但是我認為
must be some kind of indissoluble link between sex and death. 性和死亡之間一定有某種密不可分的聯繫
I don't feel the relationship between the two is quite the way you have portrayed it, 我不覺得 這兩者之間的聯繫 像你所描述的那樣
but I'm most grateful to you for animating the subject in such a stimulating way. 不過我非常欣賞 你以如此振奮人心的方式 啟發了這個課題
The only slight shock was your introduction, at the 唯一讓我稍微有點吃驚的地方 就是你論文最後的引用
very end of your paper, of the name of Christ. 用的 是基督的名義
Are you completely opposed to any kind of religious dimension in our field? 你是不是 很反對我們這個領域 有任何宗教元素的存在?
In general, I don't care if a man believes in Rama, Marx or 一般來說 我不介意一個人是否信奉Rama(印度教神) 馬克思 或者
Aphrodite, as long as he keeps it out of the consulting room. Aphrodite(希臘奧林匹斯主神之一) 只要他不要再咨詢室談論就行
Is that what's at the bottom of your dispute with Dr.Jung? 這就是你與榮格博士最根本的分歧嗎
I have no dispute with Dr.Jung. 我和榮格博士沒有分歧
I was simply mistaken about him. 我只是看錯了他
I thought he was going to be able to carry our work forward after I was gone. 我以為 他會在我死後 繼續推動我的工作
I didn't bargain for all that second-rate mysticism and self-aggrandizing shamanism. 我沒料到 他會走向這些二流的神秘主義和誇大自我的薩滿教
Nor did I realize he could be so brutal and sanctimonious. 也沒意識到他是那麼的蠻不講理和道貌岸然
He's trying to find some way forward so that we don't just have 他只是試圖找到一些方法 讓我們不只是
to tell our patients, "this is why you are the way you are." 告訴我們的病人 "這就是你本來的樣子"
He wants to be able to say, "we can show you what it is you might want to become." 他想能夠說 "我們能向你展示你可能想成為的樣子"
Playing God, in other words. 做救世主 換句話說
We have no right to do that. 我們沒權力那樣做
The world is as it is. 世界就是這樣子
Understanding and accepting that is the way to psychic health. 理解和接受是保持心理健康的方式
What good can we do if our aim is simply to replace one delusion with another? 如果我們目標 只是單純的用一種欺騙代替另一種欺騙 又有什麼意義
Well, I agree with you. 我很贊同
Hm. 嗯
I've noticed that in the crucial areas of dispute between Dr. 我注意到 在榮格博士和我之間分歧的關鍵點
Jung and myself, you tend to favour me. 你偏向於支持我
I thought you had no dispute with him. 我還以為你跟他沒有分歧
Hm. 哼
You still love him. 你仍然愛著他
That's not why I'm pleading his cause. 這不是我為他辯護的原因
I just feel that if you two don't find some way to co-exist, it will 我只是覺得如果你們倆無法共存 這將會
hold back the progress of psychoanalysis, perhaps indefinitely. 阻礙心理分析學的進展 甚至是永久性的
Is there no way to avert a rupture? 有沒有方法避免你們的關係破裂嗎?
Correct scientific relations will be maintained, of course. 當然 正常的學術關係仍會一如既往
I'll be seeing him at the editorial meeting in 我將會在九月的慕尼黑社論會上與他碰面
Munich in September and I shall be perfectly civil. 我絕對會以禮相待
To tell you the truth, what finished him for me was all that business about you. 說老實話 我和他斷絕關係 完全是因為他跟你的那件事
The lies, the ruthless behaviour. 那些謊言 那些魯莽的行為
I was very shocked. 讓我非常震驚
I think he loved me. 我認為他是愛我的
I'm afraid your idea of a mystical union with a blond Siegfried was inevitably doomed. 恐怕你和金髮Siegfried喜結連理的想法是注定不可能了(德國史詩中英雄人物)(他跳入焰火喚醒了沉睡的Brynhildr並立下永遠相愛的誓言)
Put not your trust in Aryans. 不要相信雅利安人(北歐和日耳曼諸民族視為純粹的雅利安人 不包括猶太人)
We're Jews, my dear Miss Spielrein, and Jews we will always be. 我們是猶太人 我親愛的Spielrein小姐 並且我們永遠都是
Now, the real reason I invited you here this evening was to ask 今晚邀請你來這兒的真正原因是想問
if you'll be prepared to take on one or two of my patients? 你是否打算接受我一兩個病人?
I was interested in what you said about monotheism... 我對你的一神論觀點很感興趣...
that it arose historically out of some kind of patricidal impulse. 歷史上好像是源於弒父情結
Yes. 是的
Akhnaton, who, as far as we know, was the first to put Akhnaton 如我們所知 是第一個
forth the bizarre notion that there was only one God. 提出一神論這種詭異觀點的人
Also had his father's name erased and chiseled out of all public monuments. 並且把他父親的名字從所有紀念碑上鑿掉
That's not strictly true. 嚴格意義上不是這樣的
Not true? 不是這樣嗎?
No. 不是的
You mean it was most probably a myth? 你的意思是它很可能只是個神話?
No. 不是
I mean there were two perfectly straightforward reasons for Akhnaton, or Amenhopis 我的意思是 Akhnaton或者Akhnaton IV 我更喜歡稱呼他Akhnaton IV
IV as I prefer to call him, to excise his father's name from the cartouches. 有兩個很直觀的原因讓他把他爸的名字從紀念碑除去
First, this was something traditionally done by all new kings who 首先 這是每一位新即位國王的傳統
didn't wish their father's name to continue to be public currency. 他們不希望他們父親的名字繼續出現流通貨幣上
In much the same way as your article in the Yearbook fails to mention my name? 就像你在年鑒裡不願提我名字一樣吧?
Your name is so well-known it hardly seemed necessary to mention it. 你的名字眾人皆知 根本沒必要提及
Do go on. 繼續
Secondly, Amenhopis only struck out the first half 其次 Amonophis只不過鑿掉了
of his father's name, Amenhotep, because, like the 他父親名字的前一半 Amenhotep 因為 就像
first half of his own name, it was shared by Amon, 他自己名字的前一半一樣 是Amon(埃及的最高神)的名字
one of the gods he was determined to eliminate. 是他下決心消滅的神之一
Hm. 嗯
As simple as that? 就這麼簡單嗎?
The explanation doesn't seem to me unduly simple. 這個解釋在我看來並不那麼簡單
And do you think your man, whatever you call him, 你覺得那個人 管你怎麼稱呼他的
felt no hostility whatsoever toward his father? 難道對他的父親沒有任何敵意嗎?
I have no means of proof, of course. 當然 我沒有辦法證明
For all I know, Amenhopis may have thought that his father's name was quite 就我所知 Amenhopis可能是覺得他父親的名字
familiar enough and that now it might be time to make a name for himself. 廣為流傳了 是時候為他自己打造名聲了
How sweet it must be to die. 死亡該是件多美妙的事啊
If I may say so, dear Professor, you make the 恕我直言 親愛的教授 你犯了個錯誤
mistake of treating your friends like patients. 那就是對待你的朋友像對待病人一樣
This enables you to reduce them to the level of children, so that their only choice 你把他們放在兒童一般等級 這樣他們唯一的選擇
is to become obsequious nonentities or bullying enforcers of the party line... 就是做為一個諂媚的無足輕重的人 或者執行組織路線的打手
while you sit on the mountaintop, the infallible father-figure and nobody dares to pluck you by 而你卻坐在山巔 永不犯錯的父親形象 沒人敢扯著
the beard and say, Think about your behaviour and then decide which one of us is the neurotic. 你的鬍子說 注意你的行為舉止 看看誰才是真正的神經病
I speak as a friend. 作為朋友我才會這麼說
Hm. 哼
Your letter cannot be answered. 不能回復你的來信
Your claim that I treat my friends like patients is self-evidently untrue. 你聲稱我對待朋友像病人一樣 顯然是不實的
As to which of us is the neurotic, I thought we analysts were 至於我們之間誰更神經 我覺得我們作為精神分析醫師
agreed a little neurosis was nothing whatever to be ashamed of. 神經質一點沒什麼好慚愧的
But a man like you, who behaves quite abnormally and then stands there shouting at 但是像你這樣的人 行為如此不正常 還敢站出來高聲大喊
the top of his voice how normal he is does give considerable cause for concern. 自己是多麼的正常 確實令人擔憂
For a long time now our relationship has been hanging by a thread. 一直以來我們的關係如千鈞一髮
And a thread, moreover, mostly consisting of past disappointments. 就連那唯一的一根 也差不多是由失望堆積的
We have nothing to lose by cutting it. 剪斷它我們也不會有什麼損失
You will be the best judge of what this moment means to you. 這一刻對你來說意味著什麼 你最清楚
The rest is silence. 剩下的就是沉默了
So good to have met you at last, Dr. Spielrein. 真高興終於見到你了 Spielrein醫生
We did meet once before when I was your husband's patient. 我們見過一次 當時我還是你丈夫的病人
I think you're right. 我想起來了
Your children are glorious. 你的孩子們真漂亮
Thank you. 謝謝
You must let us know when yours arrives. 你寶寶出生的時候一定要通知我們哦
I expect you want a boy. 我猜你想要個男孩吧
No. 沒呢
No, my husband and I both think we would prefer a girl. 我丈夫和我都想要個女孩
Really? 真的嗎?
I wish you could help him. 我希望你能幫幫他
Why? 為什麼?
What's the matter? 怎麼了?
He's not himself. 他不在狀態
He's very confused and bogged down with his book. 他非常困惑 書也沒寫了
He's not sleeping. 他總是失眠
He's not taking on any new patients. 也再不接受新病人了
He still hasn't recovered from the violence of his break with Professor Freud. 他還沒有從與弗洛伊德絕交中恢復過來
What you're describing is very unlike my memory of him. 你形容的他跟我記憶中的很不像
If you were staying in town, I'll try to persuade him to let you analyze him. 如果你留在市裡 我會說服他讓你幫他分析一下
I know he always set great store by your opinion. 我知道他一直很重視你的意見
You are taking patients now? 你現在開始接受病人了嗎?
I've pretty much decided to specialize in child psychology. 我基本上決定專攻兒童心理學了
I'm not sure if it's a field he approves of. 我不知道他是否會贊同這一領域
I haven't discussed it with him but... 我還沒跟他討論過不過...
You better go and talk to him. 你最好去跟他談談
No one can help him more than you. 沒人比你更能幫助他
I hope you're right. 希望你是對的
Your children are beautiful. 你的孩子都好漂亮
So you're married. 你結婚了
Yes. 是的
He's a doctor? 他也是個醫生?
Yes. 是的
His name is Pavel Scheftel. 他的名字叫Pavel Scheftel
Russian. 俄國人
Yes, a Russian Jew. 對 俄國猶太人
What's he like? 人怎麼樣?
Kind. 很善良
Good, good. 很好 很好
Are you all right? 你還好吧?
Yes. 還好
I haven't been sleeping very well and I keep having this apocalyptic dream. 我總是睡不好 而且總是做一個世界末日的夢
A terrible flood from the North Sea to the Alps. 可怕的洪水一直從北海衝到阿爾卑斯山
Houses washed away. 房子全被沖走了
Thousands of floating corpses. 成千上萬漂浮著的屍體
Eventually it comes crashing into the lake in a great tidal wave. 最終如海嘯一般湧入湖裡
And by this time, the water, roaring down like some vast avalanche, has turned to blood. 與此同時 那滾滾而下如雪崩的洪水 全變成了血水
The blood of Europe. 歐洲的血
What do you think it means? 你覺得這意味著什麼?
I've no idea. 不知道
Unless it's about to happen. 除非這會發生
What are your plans? 你有什麼打算?
We've been thinking of going back to Russia. 我們正考慮回俄國
As long as you leave Vienna. 你只要離開維也納就行
I spoke to him last week. 我上周跟他談過
I can't believe there's nothing to be done. 我不相信已經到了無法挽回的餘地了
There's nothing to be done. 已經無法挽回了
The day he refused to discuss a dream with me on the grounds 那天他拒絕跟我探討他的夢 因為
that it might risk his authority, I should have known. 那會危及他的權威 我早應該知道的
After that, for me, he had no authority. 畢竟 對於我而言 他毫無權威可言
It was a blow when I discovered you'll chosen his side. 當我發現你選擇站在他那一邊時對我打擊很大
It's not a question of sides. 這不是哪一邊的問題
I have to work in the direction my instinct tells my intelligence is the right one. 我必須跟著我直覺指引的正確方向前進
Don't forget, you cured me with his method. 別忘了 你是用他的方法治癒了我
What he'll never accept is that what we understand has got us nowhere. 他永遠不會承認我們所理解的東西目前毫無進展
We have to go into uncharted territory. 我們必須探進一片未知的領域
We have to go back to the sources of everything we believe. 我們必須回到我們所相信的一切事物的源頭
I don't want to just open a door and show the 我不想只是打開一扇門然後告訴
patient his illness squatting there like a toad. 我的病人他的病 就像只癩蛤蟆蹲在那裡
I want to try and find a way to help the patient reinvent himself. 我想嘗試著 找到幫助病人改造自我的方式
To send him off on a journey at the end of which is 送他上一段新的旅程 旅程結束時
waiting the person he was always intended to be. 他就能成為他想成為的那個人
It's no good making yourself ill in the process. 在這的過程中把你自己弄病了可不好
Only the wounded physician can hope to heal. 只有受傷的醫師才有治癒的動力
I'm told you have a new mistress. 我聽說你有新情人了
Is that right? 不對嗎?
What's her name? 她叫啥名字?
Toni. 叫Toni
Is she like me? 她像我嗎?
No. 不像
She's an ex-patient? 她曾經是你的病人?
Yes. 是的
Jewish? 猶太人?
Half Jewish. 半個猶太人
Training to be an analyst? 準備訓練成為分析師?
Yes. 是的
But she's not like me? 但是她不像我吧?
Of course she makes me think of you. 當然 她會讓我想到你
How do you make it work? 你會怎麼處理呢?
I don't know. 我不知道
Emma, as you've seen, is the foundation of my house. Emma 如你所見 是我房子的基礎
Toni is the perfume in the air. Toni 只是空氣中的芳香
My love for you was the most important thing in my life. 我對你的愛是我人生中最重要的事情
For better or worse, made me understand who I am. 無論好壞 使我瞭解了我自己
This should be mine. 這本可以是我的孩子
Yes. 是的
Sometimes you have to do something unforgivable just to be able to go on living. 有時候為了生存 你不得不做些讓人無法原諒事情
1919年 Otto Gross 於柏林餓死
西格蒙德·弗洛伊德被納粹趕出維也納，後因癌症於1939年猝於倫敦
Sabina Spielrein回到了俄國，為前蘇聯培養出了一批最優秀的精神分析師，並最終回到她的故鄉羅斯托夫從事醫生工作. 在1941年，此時她已是寡婦，她和兩個女兒被納粹佔領軍逮捕，射殺於當地的猶太教堂.
卡爾·古斯塔夫·榮格在第一次世界大戰期間，長時間罹患精神失常，這也最終促使他成為世界頂尖精神分析師. 他的妻子艾瑪和情婦托尼·沃爾夫，皆先於其辭世，而榮格於1961年安詳離世.
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