字幕www.xjtdsj.com制作 音乐演奏 [MUSIC PLAYING]
除非你有一个曲调，否则什么都没有。 Nothing means anything until you have a tune.
字幕www.xjtdsj.com制作 这是一种曲调，这就是工作。 And a tune, that's the job.
你坐在钢琴前。 You sit there in front of the piano.
键盘上有88个音符， And there are 88 notes on that keyboard,
其中只有11个在他们之前 of which only 11 means something before they
在八度中重复。 repeat in the octave.
你知道其他人以前也玩过这些笔记。 And you know everybody else has played those notes before.
你必须要弄清楚 And somehow you have to figure out
如何用它来写一些原创的东西， how to write something original with it,
但与此同时，也不太新颖， but at the same time, not too original,
因为它必须适合这个故事。 because it has to be appropriate to the story.
我不是在演奏音乐会音乐。 I'm not doing concert music.
我试着讲一个平行的故事 I am trying to be telling the parallel story
电影制作人正在拍摄。 that the filmmakers are taking.
所以有一些限制，但你是 So there are restrictions, yet you're
应该是完全免费的。 supposed to be completely free.
所以我做的每件事都有矛盾。 So there are contradictions in everything I do.
一个很好的例子就是贝多芬的第五交响曲， A great example of all of that is actually Beethoven's Fifth,
并不是说我把自己比作贝多芬。 not that I'm comparing myself to Beethoven.
但是，敦，敦，敦，邓，每个孩子 But dun, dun, dun, dun, every kid
走到钢琴前走了，咚，咚，咚，咚。 has walked up to the piano and gone, dun, dun, dun, dun.
但是他知道，不知怎么的，从这些笔记中， But he knew, somehow, that out of those notes,
你可以在天空中建造城堡。 you could go and build castles in the sky.
你可以发明一些东西。 You could invent something.
你可以用这些笔记来讲述一个故事。 You could tell a story with those notes.
它们太简单了。 They're so simple.
这就是你需要弄明白的， That's what you need to figure out,
如何找到最简单的方法来启动这个运动。 how to find the simplest thing to set the thing in motion.
但同时，你必须同时—— But you have to, at the same time-- and this
这就是为什么我坐在那里，日复一日，疯狂地开车， is why I sit there, day in, day out, driving myself crazy,
你必须知道。 you have to know.
你必须做出决定 You have to make a decision that whatever
不管第一件事是什么 those opening notes are, whatever the first thing is
你不得不说，实际上是要保持水， that you have to say, is actually going to hold water,
会以某种方式带走你 is actually going to somehow take you
通过这个巨大的故事弧线。 through this vast arc of a story.
在电影的中途， And not halfway through the movie,
你突然走了，你知道吗？ you suddenly go, you know something?
我不能让这些笔记变得悲伤，快乐，激动， I can't make these notes become mournful, happy, exciting,
他们需要承担的所有不同的个性。 all the different personalities they need to take on.
有时你只需要杀死你最喜欢的婴儿。 And sometimes you just have to kill your favorite babies.
音乐演奏 [MUSIC PLAYING]
即使你试图从灵感中写作， Even though you're trying to write from inspiration,
你想要变得相对实用。 you're trying to be relatively practical.
我不做的一件事是 One of the things I don't do is I
不要在我的音乐中使用大量的关键变化。 don't use a lot of exuberant key changes in my music.
或者即使我这样做了，我也会试着回到家里的钥匙。 Or even if I do, I try to always come back to my home key.
部分原因是实际的。 Part of that is practical.
我喜欢在d写作。 I like writing in d.
每个人都认为这是因为我很懒， And everybody thinks it's because I'm lazy,
这是真的。 which is true.
但这不是我写d的原因。 But it's not the reason I'm write in d.
我写d是因为，在这个现代的时代， I write in d because, in this modern day and age,
低音可以向下到C，这是它们的开弦。 the bass can go down to C, which is their open string.
但是他们不能在开弦上做颤音。 But they can't do vibrato on the open string.
所以D是一个很好的注解，他们可以这样做 So D is actually a good note, where they can so
做一点颤音。 do a little bit of vibrato.
如果你从—— And it's nice that if you go from--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
这是令人满意的！ It's satisfying!
所以如果我要给你一个答案， So if I have to give you an answer,
如果我必须完成一个短语，而我 if I have to complete a phrase, and I
必须给你一个答案，我喜欢当它以笔记结尾的时候 have to give you an answer, I like when it ends on a note
贝斯，塞利和小提琴—— that bass and celli and violas--
小提琴是另一种东西—— violins is a different matter--
能以一种令人满意的方式着陆。 can land on in a satisfying way.
至少我让自己有了这种可能性。 At least I set myself up to have that possibility.
整个分数可能永远不会这么做。 The whole score might never do this.
它可能就在上面。 And it might just be up here.
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
但我一开始就不知道。 But I don't know that at the beginning.
所以如果我选了一些能给我的东西 So if I pick something that gives me
最自由，最有可能， the most freedom, the most possibilities,
我至少从坚实的基础开始。 I'm at least starting on solid ground.
音乐演奏 [MUSIC PLAYING]
我想到了一切—— I think of everything--
看，我的手在哪里—— look, wherever my hand falls--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
——是一个问题，是一个答案。 --is a question, is an answer.
这就是我如何让这个问题变长。 It's just how I can make the question longer.
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
我认为在音乐中有一种自然的方式 I think there's a natural way in music where you're basically
交谈。 having a conversation.
或者你想要进行一次谈话。 Or you want to have a conversation.
有时你把它作为一个问题留给另一个问题。 Sometimes you leave it as a question with another question.
如果你真的想—— And then if you really want to--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
我什么都没写。 I'm not writing anything.
我只是—— I'm just--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
我不再说话了，因为我觉得我正在进行一场谈话 And I stop speaking, because I feel I'm having a conversation
现在和你在一起。 right now with you.
这是一个狡猾的问题。 Bit of a dodgy question here.
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
我有点对抗性。 I'm being a bit confrontational.
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
我可以把张力消除。 And I can take the tension out.
对它感到高兴。 Get happy about it.
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
杀了你。 And kill you.
所以这是一种语言。 So it's a language.
所以我不知道。 So I don't know.
我总是—— I just always--
我喜欢细细的红线，因为我在和特里。马利克合作。 I loved Thin Red Line, because I'm working with Terry Malick.
他一直说的一件事是 One of the things he kept saying is
这个问题比答案更有趣。 that the question is more interesting than the answer.
整部电影都在问问题。 And the whole movie just asked questions.
我们从不回答任何问题。 We never answer anything.
这有点无聊。 It's sort of a bit boring.
通常答案都是平淡无奇的。 Usually the answer is a bit mundane.
为了保持张力，看你能不能举起来 So to maintain the tension, see if you can just raise
这些问题的利害关系。 the stake in the questions.
如果这是一个爱情故事，一旦她答应了，我就嫁给你， If it's a love story, once she says yes, I'll marry you,
我们做完了。 we're done.
是的，有些电影从那时开始。 And yes, some movie start at that point.
但在这种情况下，旅程往往更有趣。 But very often the journey, in this case, is more interesting.
这个问题更有趣。 The question is more interesting.
是的，我的确认为这些曲调—— So yes I do think these tunes--
我不认为他们通过了。 I don't think them through.
我很自然地倾向于事物 I just naturally gravitate towards things
问问题。 which ask questions.
我认为，因为我认为这更有趣。 I think, because I think that's more interesting.
音乐演奏 [MUSIC PLAYING]
所有的音乐都是由一些想法组成的 All music is made up out of little fragments of ideas
你想把它变成一个连贯的句子。 that you're trying to make into a cohesive sentence.
所以我有了前两个词。 So I had my first two words.
我说—— I said well--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
我知道它会在那里工作。 And I knew it would work down there.
你必须快速地测试DNA。 And you have to test the DNA very quickly.
它能适应吗？ Is it adaptable?
它会变成—— Can it become--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
它会变成什么？ What can it become?
就是这个。 And it's this thing.
这实际上是讲故事。 It is actually storytelling.
如果你把它看成—— If you look at it as the--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
这就是问题所在。 --that's the question.
然后—— And then the--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
有一半的答案，最后以一个问题结束。 There is a half an answer, which again ends on a question.
当然，在所有的电影中，你想要做的部分， And so part of what you want to do, of course, in all movies,
你是—— is you--
就像当你在写爱情故事或浪漫电影时， it's like when you work on a love story or a romantic movie,
你最不想听到的就是他们说 the last thing you want to hear is them saying
我爱你们。 I love you to each other.
这是你想要推迟的部分直到非常，非常 That's the part you want to postpone until the very, very
最后一帧。 last frame.
回到—— Going back to the--
你不可能得到任何平庸的东西 you can't get any more banal than--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
我把它改了一点。 OK so I changed it a bit.
我做得更多—— I made it more--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
只是一些目的，因为这感觉很卑鄙。 Just some purpose, because it felt mean.
我想要一点卑鄙。 I wanted a bit of meanness.
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
这是一个问题，是吗？ The fuck sort of a question is that?
这里面有一点闪烁。 And there's a little twinkle in it.
我们可以在它的道路上设置障碍 And the obstacles we can put in its way
更有趣，也更有趣。 are more interesting, and the crookedness we can.
这是曲调的一部分， So part of what the tunes are trying to do,
这些曲调自动地试图去做， what the tunes automatically are trying to do,
是设置问题，答案是一半 is set up questions, which are half-answered
最后还有一个问题，这样他们就可以继续前进了。 with another question at the end so that they can drive forward.
这讲得通吗？ Does that make sense?
所以只要听一听。 So just have a listen.
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小答案。 Little answer.
又有了一个小问题。 There's a little fleck of a question again.
这是一个相当有力的回答。 That's quite a strong answer.
这是我看到的如果你有的话会发生什么 This is just me seeing what happens if you have it
下降一个八度，所以有点吓人， down an octave. so it's a bit more spooky,
或者它处于对话之下。 or that it sits under dialogue.
它甚至不是一个曲调。 It's not even much of a tune.
这是一个非常有效的主题， It's just a very efficient motif,
因为它短小精微，在四小节中说了很多。 because it's short and succinct and says a lot in four bars.
音乐演奏 [MUSIC PLAYING]
克里斯是非常具体的—— Chris was being very specific about--
他的特异性是非常不具体的 he was being very un-specific in his specificity
说，嘿，看，我要给你这一页。 by saying hey, look, I'm just going to give you this page.
但我不会告诉你这部电影是关于什么的。 But I'm not going to tell you what the movie is about.
它给了我一个关于作为一个父亲意味着什么的寓言。 And it gave me this fable about what it means to be a father.
他巧妙地驾驭了它 And he cleverly steered it in a way
我认为这是自动的 that I thought that it automatically
让我想到我和我儿子的关系。 made me think about my relationship with my son.
所以我给他写了一个非常私人的主题。 So I wrote him this tiny, very personal theme.
然后他告诉我这是一部关于浩瀚无垠的电影 And then he told me this is a movie about the vastness
所有的东西，宇宙，空间和科学的浩瀚 of everything, the expanse of the universe, space and science
小说等等。 fiction, et cetera.
这是史诗。 And it's epic.
这些都是这些东西。 And it's all these things.
但是他所拥有的—— But what he had was--
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
这是一个非常简单的—— It was just a very simple--
天气很暖和。 it's warm.
而且它很小。 And it's small.
这很亲密。 And it's intimate.
然而，这意味着—— And it meant however--
它很容易变大。 it's easy to go big.
把厨房的水槽扔进去是很容易的。 It's easy to throw the kitchen sink in.
很容易就会得到一个大的，听不清的 It's easy to go get a big [INAUDIBLE]
做个大吵大闹。 and make a hell of a racket.
但是我们知道我们总能回来 But we knew we could always return
这是故事的核心。 to the heart of the story.
故事的核心是—— The heart of the story was--
这首曲子再简单不过了。 this tune couldn't be any simpler.
最重要的是，如果你开始 And the great thing is if you start
有这么简单，这么小的东西 with something which is so simple and so small
所以只有几个音符是正确的。 and so just a few notes in the right order.
我没有—— I don't there is--
我想可能是一两首曲子 I think may be one or two tune I've
写着你不能用一根手指弹奏它。 written that you can't actually just play it with one finger.
弹钢琴 [PLAYING PIANO]
材料的简单性让你可以去扩展 The simplicity of the material lets you then go and expand
向外。 outwards.
但是如果它的核心，如果它的核心 But if the heart of it, if the kernel of it
智力上很紧，情感上很紧， is intellectually tight, it's emotionally tight,
你得到了一些东西。 you got something.
我一直在讲这个。 I keep going to this.
但是，邓，敦，敦，邓，贝多芬的第五交响曲， But dun, dun, dun, dun, Beethoven's Fifth,
都在这两个音符里。 it's all in those two notes.
这是他所需要的，然后创造 It's all he needed to go and then create
美妙的情感，管弦乐编曲，兴奋， a firework of amazing emotions, orchestration, excitement,
或者任何你想要的。 pathos, or whatever you want.
但是要知道在你的主题中你在说什么。 But know what you're talking about in your theme.
知道你想说什么。 Know what you want to say.
你必须清楚这一点。 You got to be clear about that.
在音乐中写操作指南是非常困难的 It's very hard to write an instruction manual in music
或者是音乐入门课程。 or an introductory course in music.
这不是一种合适的语言。 It's not the appropriate language.
但这是一种表达情感的恰当语言。 But it's an appropriate language to express emotion.
我想这就是几个世纪以来所发生的一切， And I think that's all that's happened over the centuries,
我们被迫讲故事。 that we are compelled to tell stories.
我们不得不编造故事。 We're compelled to make up stories.
这就是电影的意义所在。 That's what film is about.
我们被迫讲述我们存在的寓言， We're compelled to tell the fable of our existence,
我们人类的旅程或其他什么。 of our human journey or whatever.
我想，当我们用完的时候， And I think when we run out of words,
当我们用光了美丽的图画， and when we run out of beautiful picture,
我们不得不求助于另一种叫做音乐的语言。 we have to resort to this other language called music.
我并不是想要变得深奥。 And I'm not trying to be profound.
我并不想做任何重要的事情。 And I'm not trying to do anything significant.
但是当你花点时间思考这个问题的时候， But when you spend a little bit of time thinking about it,
你可以表达一些相当不错的东西 you can actually express some fairly good things
关于人类的情况 about the human condition in notes
你可能无法用它来表达 that you might not be able to express quite as
出色的语言。 brilliantly in words.