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我叫戴安娜·恩里克斯 Woman's voice: My name is Diana Henriques.
是纽约时代的调查记者 As an investigating reporter for the "New York Times,"
自始至终 我一直在跟踪报道 I had been covering the Bernie Madoff scandal
伯纳德·麦道夫的丑闻案 from the day it began.
在数月的请求与通信后 After months of requests and correspondence,
我终于可以在2010年8月24日这天 I was finally able to sit down and interview Bernie Madoff
坐下来面对面采访伯纳德·麦道夫了 on August 24th, 2010.
直至今日 Until today,
除了律师 his only visitor apart from lawyers
只有他的妻子来看望过他 has been his wife.
关于他的罪行 He has not answered any independent questions
他没有私下回答过任何一个问题 about his crime
除非是在法庭上 except when standing in a courtroom
面对法官的质疑 responding to a judge.
( door buzzes )
法庭上的他 On those occasions,
表情呆板 一副排练过的样子 he seemed stiff, almost rehearsed.
在我们私下的交谈中 But in our conversation,
他看上去很放松 he seemed relaxed,
一副公正 unfailingly candid,
诚挚 可靠的样子 earnest, and trustworthy.
这便是他过人之处 That is his talent and his curse.
也正是如此 帮助他 That is what enabled him
脱离了庞氏诈骗指控 to pull off the biggest Ponzi scheme on record.
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650亿美元 $65 billion.
伯纳德·L·麦道夫 Bernard L. Madoff--
编号61727054 inmate number 61727054.
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今日海外贸易市场 Reporter on radio: In overseas trading today,
日经指数下滑了超出8个百分点 the Nikkei was down over 8%
澳洲利率紧随其后 with Australia's benchmark not far behind.
此次危机毫无结束之相 The crisis shows no sign of ending
纽约 2008年12月10日
今晨华尔街与缅因街的 as DOW futures are down this morning on Wall Street
道琼斯指数正在持续 and Main Street continues to find itself
-暴跌之中... -该死 - in the crosshairs of the largest meltdown... - Shit.
自从经济大萧条起 ...since the Great Depression.
投资者与银行都看紧了腰包 Investors and banks are holding onto their cash
等待金融市场的回暖 until more certainty can be flushed into financial markets.
下面接进鲍勃·萨默斯 Let's go now to Bob Summers
他将带来另一座城市 with a story on yet another city
由于贷款危机经济下滑的新闻 going under from the mortgage crisis.
我正位于加州夫勒斯诺市 在这里... Summers: I'm in Fresno, California, where if you look around...
( elevator bell dings )
伯纳德·麦道夫投资证券公司
( phone rings )
( chatter )
我先来 Just let me lead it off.
真是疯了 It's completely fucking crazy.
这一次我们不能再让步了 安迪 We can't back down on this one, Andy.
不能再做出退让 一定要死死抓在手里 We're not gonna back down. We're gonna hold firm.
什么情况 招呼都不打一个吗? What, no good mornings, no hellos?
老爸 Dad?
怎么了? What's going on?
你要以年终奖的形式发放一亿7500万美元? You're giving out 175 mil in bonuses?
-没错 -在十二月份? - I am. - In December?
今年效益不错 We've had a very strong year.
今年还没有结束 还不知年末如何呢 The year's not over. We don't know where we're gonna land.
我想奖励一下大家 I wanna reward people.
鼓励一下他们的工作 I want them to feel good about the work they've done here.
年终奖二月份发放是有原因的 There's a reason that the bonuses go out in February,
尤其是现在的大形势下 especially in this climate.
你没懂我的意思 You're not hearing me.
大家养家需要钱 It's important that people can take care of their families.
我们办事稳妥些不是更好吗? Isn't it better to play it safe?
以免发生任何风吹草动什么的? Hang on to any windfall just in case?
我要现在就发年终奖 I'm paying out the bonuses now.
这太疯狂了 没道理啊 Mark: But that's crazy. It doesn't make any sense.
-彼得 -伯尼 别傻了 - Peter. - Bernie, come on.
我没要和你们讨论 This isn't a fucking debate.
我现在就要发钱 I'm paying out the bonuses now.
大家都仰仗着我来照顾额 I'm taking care of everybody.
老爸 你还好吗? Dad, are you all right?
没出什么事吧? What's going on with you?
我没事 I'm okay.
你确定? Okay, are you sure?
伯尼 告诉他们吧 Peter: Bernie, just tell them.
告诉我们什么? Andy: Tell us what?
怎么了 老爸 发生什么事了? What is it, Dad? What's going on?
怎么了 老爸? Andy: What is it, Dad?
我得和你谈谈 I have to talk to you.
随时都可以 Mark: You can. You know you can.
嗯 I know.
该死的玻璃 Fucking fish bowl here.
该死的玻璃 Fucking fish bowl.
是吧? Huh?
里面发生任何事 外面都看得清清楚楚 Everybody can see everything in here.
就不能安个百叶窗什么的吗? How come we never got fucking blinds?
( line ringing )
-喂? -喂 露丝 - Woman: Hello? - Bernie: Hello, Ruth.
-是我 -我和孩子们要回家了 - Hi. - The boys and I are heading home.
为什么? Ruth: Why?
我有事和你们说 Bernie: I have to talk to you all.
好吧 Ruth: Oh, okay.
-我们很快就到 -好 - Yeah, we'll be home soon. - Ruth: All right.
( horns honking )
是你身体出了问题吗? Is it your health?
不 No.
( elevator beeping )
( elevator bell dings )
我们去楼下的书房吧 Let's go in the study downstairs.
( door closes )
不知怎么开口说 Bernie: There's no way to-- to say it.
这一切都不是真的 None of it is real.
是个大骗局 It's all one big fucking lie.
-什么东西? -投资报告 - What is? - The advisory.
都是假的 It's a fraud.
没有什么投资项目 There are no investments.
你说什么呢? 当然有项目啊 What are you talking about? Of course there are investments.
-都是我编出来的 -写得真真切切啊 - I made them up. - They're on every statement.
-都是我... 编出来的 -我亲眼见证了交易 - I ma-- I made them up. - I've seen the trades.
都是假的 They're fake.
都是假的 It's all fake.
基本上就是个庞氏骗局 Basically, just a big Ponzi scheme.
什么意思? What's a Ponzi scheme?
我从投资人手里拿钱 I took money from some people.
把它们分给别人 从来都... I gave it to others and I never--
没什么余钱 there's nothing left.
本来应该有500亿美元的 There's supposed to be 50 billion.
但实际上什么都没有 There's absolutely nothing.
都没了 我和彼得说了 It's all gone. I spoke to Peter.
下周我就去自首 I told him I'm gonna turn myself in next week.
你怎么能这么做呢? ( scoffs ) How could you do this?
-我无法控制... -胡说 - I just couldn't stop-- - Mark: Bullshit.
事情越来越大 我控制不住了 It got bigger and bigger and it just wouldn't stop.
胡说 Bullshit.
-我没想到事情会发展至此 -不不不 - I didn't mean for it to get like this. - No, no, no, no.
你怎么能骗我们呢 我可是你的儿子啊 You can't do this. I'm your son.
老爸 你怎么能这么做呢? Dad. Dad, how could you do this?
我会帮你们安排好的 I'm gonna set you guys up.
没事的 Yeah. It's-- it's all gonna be okay.
还剩了几亿美元 There's still a few hundred million left.
我会确保 I'm gonna-- I'm gonna make sure
安顿好你们的 that you guys are all taken care of,
家里人 还有那些忠实的员工 the rest of the family, some loyal employees.
我都会安顿好 一周时间就够了 It's all gonna be good. I just need a week.
( Andy breathing heavily )
用什么安顿我们? Set us up with what?
偷来的钱吗? ( echoing ) With stolen money?
他犯了罪 Mark: He's a criminal.
余生都要在监狱里度过了 He's gonna spend his life in jail.
-老爸 你怎么可以这样? -我不认你这个爸爸 - Andy: Dad, how could you do this? - Mark: You're not my father.
我解释给他们说 我不是故意的 I explained to them that it wasn't malicious,
期初我开始犯错... that when I started this problem--
犯罪的时候 or this crime--
我想着 that is was something that I thought
一定有办法解决的 I would be able to work my way out of.
但后来变得不可能了 But that became impossible.
我越挣扎 就越陷越深 The harder I tried, the deeper I dug myself into a hole.
归根结底 But it comes down to one thing.
我拒绝承认这个事实 I refused to accept the fact,
我无法接受 could not accept the fact
这辈子有失败的事实 that for once in my life I had failed.
我不承认 I couldn't-- I couldn't admit that failure.
什么失败的事实? And what was that failure?
不久后 我... Shortly thereafter, I--
回到办公室 I think I went back to the office.
看到了安迪 Andy was there. I saw Andy.
你们说话了吗? Did you two speak?
他说... He did mention that--
说... that he, uh--
他和马克两个人在与律师协商 he and Mark were consulting with a lawyer.
结果 他去见了马丁·伦敦 Well, as it turned out, he went to see Martin London--
一个德高望重的退休律师 much honored lawyer, retired.
-也是马克的岳父 -没错 - Diana: He's Mark's father-in-law. - Yes.
他给你的公司投资了一大笔钱 是吧? Diana: He'd invested a substantial amount of money with you, right?
比一般人的少一点 Bernie: Well, more than some, less than others.
我了个老天啊 Jesus fucking Christ.
5000万? 50 million?
500亿 50 billion with a "B."
我了个天 Jesus fucking Christ.
我在哈特福特 All right, I'm in Hartford.
下午三点过去 I'll be there at 3:00 PM.
你要知道 资金管理业务 You have to understand the money management business
是在一个小办公室操作的 was operating from a small office.
-没错 那办公室自己在独立的一层 -17层 - Yeah, the office is on a separate floor. - The 17th floor.
-看上去一直很成功 -有大把的客户 - It's always seemed successful. - A ton of clients, I think.
-和对冲基金 -有时会把别人拒之门外 - Hedge funds. - I know he'd even turn people away sometimes.
-但所有的交易... -是的 - But all the trades-- - Yeah, the trades go through European counterparties.
这些交易都通过了欧洲交易反方
所以才在伦敦有了自己的办公室 That's why he has the London office.
之后19层就是交易场所了 And then upstairs on the 19th floor is market making.
-也是我们工作的地点 -目前这个都不重要 - Which is where we work. - These are not my immediate concerns.
但如果他打算花这周时间 But if he plans to spend the week
来分配这些不义之财 distributing his ill-gotten gains
给自己的亲属 amongst his relatives,
雇员 朋友 employees, his friends,
那这件事就还没完 then this is not over.
罪行就还在进行中 This is a crime in progress.
什么意思? 我们要去告发他吗? So what are you saying? We have to turn him in?
你们不行 你们属于共犯 You don't turn him in. You're an accomplice.
第二天早上
( phone ringing )
喂? Yeah?
嗯 好 Okay, it's all fine.
嗯 Yep.
( phone beeps )
谁的电话? Ruth: Who is it?
联邦调查局要过来 Bernie: The FBI is here.
我知道你们为什么过来 I know why you're here.
我们过来问问 Well, we're here to find out
你是不是要为自己辩解一下 if there's an innocent explanation.
( door closes )
没什么好辩解的 There is no innocent explanation.
我们去找个方便说话的地方吧 Is there someplace we can talk privately?
进来吧 In there.
他说 20世纪70年代起 Agent: He said he'd been operating a Ponzi scheme
他就开始操作庞氏骗局了 since the 1970s.
他叙述得很平淡 He was so matter-of-fact about it.
毫无紧张和担忧之色 He wasn't nervous, he wasn't afraid.
平平常常 He was just very casual.
他声称一切都是自己一人操作的 Well, sir, he claims to have acted alone.
是 长官 Yes, sir.
我带他回局里 I'll bring him in.
( exhales )
喂 我是露丝 Hi, it's Ruth.
孩子们都在场吗? Are the boys there?
他们不在 They're not there.
他今天不过去了 He won't be coming in today.
先生 请你解下腰带 Sir, you're gonna have to remove your belt,
鞋带 领带 your shoelaces, your tie,
并卸下所有首饰 and any jewelry.
-这个也要? -是的 - Bernie: This? - Agent: Yep.
信用卡 现金 Credit card, cash,
兜里东西请清空 anything in your pockets, sir.
请转身过去 Turn around, please, sir.
双手背后 Hands behind your back.
合掌 Palms together.
( cuff clicks )
把东西收起来 Put that stuff away.
给艾克·索尔金打个电话 And call Ike Sorkin.
( door opens )
( door closes )
( horns honking )
( tires screech )
2008年12月9日发生了什么? Investigator: What happened on the night of December 9, 2008?
我哥哥告诉我 Peter: My brother told me
他的投资咨询业务 that his investment advisory business
就是个庞氏骗局 was a Ponzi scheme.
你听说麦道夫先生在一手操控的时候 And what was your reaction to hearing that Mr. Madoff
是什么反应? was operating a Ponzi scheme?
我彻底震惊了 - Well, I was in total shock. - ( elevator bell dings )
在政府对你的第一次采访中 Investigator: In your first interview with the government,
你表示对自己的哥哥像偶像般崇拜 you stated that you idolized your brother.
-是吧? -没错 - Is that correct? - Peter: Yes, and that's correct.
为什么呢? Investigator: Why did you idolize your brother?
因为他才气逼人 Peter: Well, because he was brilliant.
他是大家津津乐道的话题人物 Everywhere you go, people talked about Bernie.
是真正的领航人 He was a true pioneer.
行业里的所有人 Everyone in the industry,
包括美国证券交易委员会的最高官员 including the highest-ranking officials at the SEC,
纽约联邦调查局 刑事法庭
都认为我哥哥 believed that my brother was
是这个时代 最可敬 one of the most honorable and successful traders
最成功的交易员之一 of our time.
没有人比我更坚信 Nobody believed that more than I did.
更仰慕他 I revered him.
我内心深处非常信任他 I trusted him implicitly.
( line ringing )
-我是索尔金 -艾克 我是伯尼 - Sorkin. - Ike, it's Bernie.
我被联邦调查局总部 Uh, I'm down at FBI headquarters
抓进去了 handcuffed to a wall.
伯尼 什么都不要说了 Ike: Bernie, don't say another word.
今早我们逮捕了他 We arrested him this morning.
他还好吗? Was he okay?
我亲自给他戴上了手铐 I put the cuffs on him myself.
他表现得很平静 就像知道我们要来一样 He went quietly as though he expected us.
事实上 Agent Cacioppi: To be honest,
他看上去如释重负 he looked relieved.
你做的是对的 孩子 You did the right thing, son.
- ( machine beeps ) - ( radio chatter )
- ( phone rings ) - ( camera shutter clicks )
右转 Man: Turn to the right.
( camera shutter clicks )
嗯 联邦调查局刚刚 Yeah, the FBI just processed him
把他转移到了珍珠大街 and they transferred him over to Pearl Street.
我们正往那赶呢 Yeah, we're heading in right now.
你是通过交易赚钱 So you were making money off of the trades.
没有所谓的交易 There were no trades.
-什么意思? -都是我编出来的 - What do you mean there were no trades? - I made them up.
-不是有报告吗? -每个月更新一次假报告 - Weren't there statements? - Every month, they were fake.
购买日期是假的 Purchase dates, they were fake;
股份分配是假的 期权是假的 shares, they were fake; options, they were fake;
收益回报是假的 returns, they were fake.
你上一次执行交易 是什么时候? So when was the last trade you executed?
15年前 15 years ago.
这件事还有谁知道? Attorney: Who else knew?
这都是我一手操控的 I acted alone.
他是什么时候告诉你庞氏骗局的开始的? Investigator: When did he tell you he started this Ponzi scheme?
他没有告诉我 He didn't.
整个骗局的操作过程 你一无所知? And the entire time he was running it, you had no idea?
-我一无所知 -你在公司是什么职务? - No, I didn't. - Cacioppi: And what was your role at the firm?
90年代起 我就开始负责交易商自动报价 I ran the firm's NASDAQ desk in the late '90s,
2001年起负责市商 added the rest of the market-making desk in 2001,
2003年改做自营 and moved to the proprietary trading desk in 2003--
你在答非所问 You're not answering my question.
你在公司是做什职务? What exactly is your role at the firm?
每周我只有几天来公司 I'm only in the office a few days a week.
我一直在做一个叫麦道夫能源的分业经营... I've been building a separate business called Madoff Energy--
先生 你在土地管理局是什么样的头衔? Sir, what is your exact title at BLM?
自营交易主管 Director of Proprietary Trading
和交易主任 and Codirector of Trading.
这些贷款都是从哪来的呢? Investigator: And where did the money for these loans come from?
你哪里来的贷款买下办公室 The loans that allowed you to buy your loft in SOHO,
格林威治和楠塔基特岛的房子 your house in Greenwich, your house in Nantucket.
我擅用了他投资的盈利 I assume from the money he made through investments.
以私人顾问的身份吗? Investigator: On the private advisory side?
-是的 -在17层的办公室内? - Yes. - On the 17th floor?
-是的 -而你却从未过问 17层的办公室是做什么的? - Yes. - And you never asked what went on the 17th floor?
我当然问过 ( scoffs ) Of course I did.
-是吗? -是的 - You did? - Yes.
-但是... -怎样? - But... - But what?
他总说 He would always say,
"我们互不干涉" "You run your business and I'll run my business."
所以你也再没有 And you never thought
想着关注这些问题? to follow up on those questions?
-你不懂... -我当然不懂 - You don't understand-- - You're right, I don't.
我不懂的是 I don't understand
你怎么可能同你父亲共事20年 how you could work in the same office as your father
却丝毫不起任何疑心 for 20 years and suspect nothing.
丝毫不起? Nothing?
你父亲的客户是什么人? Who are some of your father's clients?
我不太知情 Andy: I'm not privy to all of them,
杰弗里·皮考尔是个大户 but, um, Jeffry Picower was a big one.
还有纽约大都会队的佛瑞德·威尔彭和索尔·卡茨 Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz of the Mets.
汇丰银行 苏格兰皇家银行 HSBC, Royal Bank of Scotland,
还有些家里方面的朋友 马蒂 some family friends, Marty.
但他从来不具体谈自己的工作 But he wouldn't talk about who or what he did for them.
我们的钱也攥在他的手里 Our money was with him as well.
所以你从未怀疑过你父亲? Investigator: So you were never suspicious of your father?
从来都没有吗? Never?
你知道他的身份吗? Do you not understand who he was?
我想我们都已经开始 I think we're all beginning to understand
对你的父亲有所了解了 麦道夫先生 exactly who your father is, Mr. Madoff.
他不仅是我的父亲 He wasn't just my father.
我们把他视作偶像来崇拜 You know, he was fucking idolized.
我们所说的这个人 We're talking about a man
开拓了现代市场 who created the modern market as we know it.
创办了纳斯达克 He created NASDAQ.
他是纳斯达克的主席 He's Chairman of NASDAQ.
全国证券交易清算公司主席 He's Chairman of the National Securities Clearing Corporation,
国际证券清算公司主席 Chairman of the International Securities Clearing Corporation,
全国证券交易商协会主席 Chairman of the National Association of Securities Dealers,
美国金融业监管局的改良人 which was FINRA before FINRA fucking existed.
新航交易委员会主席 Chairman of the SIA Trading Committee.
我懂你的意思 - Okay, we understand your point, sir-- - No, I don't think you do.
-先生... -你不懂
国家商业行为委员会主席 Chairman of the National Business Conduct Committee.
我们懂 - Sir, we understand. - Member of the SIA Federal Regulation Committee.
新航联邦监管委员会成员
-可以了 先生 -美国 - Sir, that's enough. - Chairman of the NASD Small Order Execution Committee.
全国航空航天局小订单执行委员会主席
你问我为什么毫不知情 I mean, you're asking me how I didn't know.
那我来问问你 Well, I'm asking you.
你们来自联邦调查局和美国证券交易委员会 You're the FBI, you're the SEC.
之前也调查过他 You investigated him before,
那么请问 so I'm-- I'm asking you
你怎么会毫不知情呢? how the fuck did you not know?!
现在不是你问我们的时候 Sir, we are not the focus here. You are.
你说自己从未涉足 You're saying that you never stepped foot
17层的办公? on the 17th floor?
是的 No.
为什么呢? And why not?
( music playing )
17层
♪ Sleigh bells ring ♪
♪ Are you listening? ♪
♪ In the lane ♪
♪ Snow is glistening ♪
2008年12月11日的早上 发生了什么 Agent: What happened on the morning of December 11th, 2008?
我在办公室 Man: Uh, I was in my office
接到一个电话 and I got a telephone call.
是谁打来的? - ( phone rings ) - Agent: Who was on the phone?
是伯尼·麦道夫 Man: It was, uh, Bernie Madoff.
他说什么? Agent: What did Bernie Madoff say to you?
喂? Yeah?
我哥哥弗兰克来办公室了... Man: Frank, my brother, is in the office...
-什么? -身后跟着联邦调查局的人 - What? - ...with the FBI.
什么鬼? What the fuck?
你最开始为伯尼·麦道夫做事 Agent: How old were you when you first started working
是多大的时候? for Bernie Madoff?
19岁 I was 19 years old.
你怎么接触到他的? In what capacity had you known him?
他是我的老板 Oh, well, he was my boss.
这些年来 你为他做的都是什么样的事? What type of work had you done for him over the years?
我什么都做 Uh, really anything he asked me to.
从跑腿捎信 Everything from, you know, running errands
到管理投资咨询部门 to running his investment advisory department.
你知道联邦调查局的人为什么在彼得·麦道夫办公室吗? Did you know why the FBI was at Peter Madoff's office?
知道 ( chuckles ) Yes, I did.
对你有什么影响? And what did that mean to you?
会牵扯我去坐牢 Uh, it meant that I was going to jail.
你为什么这么想? Agent: Why did you think you were going to jail?
因为我对办公室的运行机制了如指掌 Frank: Because I was well aware of the nature of the operation.
是什么样的运行机制? - ( door closes ) - Agent: And what was the nature of the operation?
简单说来... It was a fraud...
是个骗局 simply put.
( door closes )
我一直都以为 Frank: I always thought that Bernie
伯尼能把事情处理好 would be able to make it good, you know?
这里投钱 那里投钱 翻来覆去 He had money here, he had money there, he moved stuff around.
一直在转移资产 There was always a lot of moving parts.
或许是我在自欺欺人吧 Maybe I was lying to myself.
或许吧 我以为... I don't know, but I-- I thought he--
我以为他可以做到的 I thought he could cover it.
( people murmuring )
这是什么情况? What the hell is this?
伯尼因为证券欺诈被逮捕了 Bernie's been arrested for securities fraud.
美国证券交易委员会拿到了法院命令 The SEC's getting a court order
要夺取控制权 让我们停工 to seize control and shut us down.
都不经调查吗? Without an investigation?
他们知道什么了? What could they possibly know?
那要看伯尼说什么了吧 Whatever Bernie told them.
先生 刚才是哪位? Sir, who was that gentleman?
这的一个同事 He's-- uh, he works here.
-哪个部门的? -17层的 - Where? - Uh, on the 17th floor.
有17层? There's a 17th floor?
( keypad beeping )
安妮特 伯尼因为证券欺诈被逮捕了 Annette, Bernie's been arrested for securities fraud.
美国证券交易委员会和联邦调查局的人就在楼上呢 The SEC and the FBI are upstairs right now.
什么? What?
什么情况? The hell does that mean?
我们需要你的门卡 女士 We need your keycard, ma'am.
快 快啊 Come on, come on, come on.
拜托了 快啊 Please, please. Come on, come on, come on.
( exhales )
开门 - ( beeping ) - Agent: Open it.
联邦调查局! 都不许动! FBI! Everyone stop what what you're doing!
联邦调查局! 都不许动! FBI! I said stop what you're doing right now.
正在清空回收站 还需6分钟
离开电脑! Move away from the computer!
联邦调查局 不要碰电脑 Sir, FBI. Do not touch that computer.
离开电脑! I said move away from the computer!
丹 把他们疏散出去 - Man: Hey, Dan, walk this group out. - ( sighs )
咨询是完全独立的交易 Bernie: The advisory was a completely separate business,
完全独立的部门 a completely separate entity.
不该同其他部门撞见 Never the two should meet, ever,
也没有撞见过 and they didn't.
我是故意这样安排的 And I made it that way on purpose, obviously.
你哥哥呢? 彼得有麻烦了 Diana: What about your brother? Peter's in trouble.
-是的 -因为他信任你 听了你的话 - Bernie: Yes. - Because he trusted you. He did what you told him to.
-是的 -你还让他做这些 - He did. - And you told him to do things that exposed him
把自己暴露在刑事责任前的事 to this criminal liability he's facing right now.
就这件事你该如何辩护呢 伯尼? How did you justify that, Bernie?
不会寝食难安吗? How did you sleep with that?
我猜我之所以安心 I guess the way I could sleep with it
是因为我知道彼得毫不知情 is that I knew that Peter didn't know anything
即便我叫他去做一些 even though I had him do things
他根本没有意识到 which he didn't realize
能够把自己卷入这项... could've implicated him in this--
这项... in this, um...
罪行的事 crime.
( chatter )
伯尼总是在刺激别人 Woman: Bernie was always needling people.
他会找到并刺激你的弱点 He would find your weak spot and he would poke at it.
这才是伯尼 真的很混蛋 I mean, that was Bernie and he could be a real bastard.
但他不会这样 But not like this.
偷偷摸摸地窃取别人的钱 I mean, not stealing people's money.
起初我也在想 I mean, at first, I started thinking,
"天 是不是孙子被绑架了 "My God, you know, did one of the grandchildren get kidnapped?
那1000万被拿来做赎金了?" Was the 10 million ransom money?"
什么1000万? What 10 million?
露丝从考麦德账户 The 10 million that Ruth came in
取走1000万 and withdrew from her Cohmad account
转入了她的美联银行账户 and transferred into her Wachovia account.
我怎么能知道呢? I mean, I-- what do I know?
我那么爱看犯罪故事 I mean, I'm always watching crime stories, you know?
每晚都伴着《特殊受害者》入眠 I fall asleep every night to "SVU."
你是说 12月10日那天 And you're saying on December 10th,
露丝·麦道夫从考麦德账户取走1000万 Ruth Madoff withdrew $10 million from her Cohmad account
转入了一个个人账户? and transferred it to a personal account?
是的 这也是常事 Yes, but that is not unusual.
就像自己家客厅里 I mean, think of it like having an ATM
安了个自动提款机一样 in your, you know-- your living room.
事情发生的时候 Except, you know, when things are going on,
当然会比较好奇 you wonder.
伯尼·麦道夫 谷歌搜索 - ( mouse clicks ) - ( keyboard clacking )
妈妈来啦! Girl: Mommy's here!
别忘了拿上你的球 - ( shouts ) - Woman: Don't forget your ball.
我们要去康乃迪克州待上几天 We're gonna go to Connecticut for a few days.
你知道可能会下雪吗? You know it might snow?
还没有他被逮捕的报道 No mention of his arrest yet.
( cell phone ringing )
-是我妈妈打来的 -不要接 - It's my mom. - Don't answer.
佛路门巴姆说过... You know what Flumenbaum said--
要断绝联系 no contact.
不要惹事情 马克 Don't screw around, Mark.
( toy plays music )
-嗨 妈妈 -嗨 马克 - Hi, Mom. - Hi, Mark.
亲爱的 我和你父亲在一起 - ( elevator bell dings ) - Honey, I'm, um-- I'm with your father
他们说 要保释你父亲 and in order to release him on bond
需要四个人的签名 they need four signatures.
这可是1000万啊 It's a $10 million bond.
-什么? -真是不敢相信 - What? - Ugh, I know. Can you believe?
你能过来一趟吗? Anyway, can you get down here?
我把地址发你 Uh, I'll text you the address.
妈妈 Mom,
你清楚他都做了些什么吗? do you understand what he's done?
别这样 马克 我知道你很生气 No, honey, Mark, I know you're angry,
但他是你的父亲啊 but he's your father.
我不接受 不说了 I'm not doing it. End of discussion.
马克 Ruth: Mark.
( door closes )
我试试给安迪打个电话 I'll try Andy.
你说的误会是什么意思? What do you mean by misunderstanding?
你儿子们不同意签字 We couldn't get your sons to sign.
他们不同意? They wouldn't sign?
很抱歉 麦道夫先生 I'm sorry, Mr. Madoff.
他们不同意签字? The boys wouldn't sign the bond?
非常抱歉 先生 I'm very sorry, sir.
是你联系的他们还是... Who-- did you talk to them or did--
不 您妻子挨个给他们打的电话 No. Your wife was on the phone with each of them.
妈妈打电话 他们也不... Their mother did and they didn't-- they wouldn't...
Um...
不牵扯钱的事情 ( stammering ) Well, there's no money involved in it.
这个他们都清楚吗? So did they understand that?
是的 Yes.
好吧 Hmm, I don't know.
马克 我是丹尼尔·霍维茨 Marc, it's Daniel Horwitz.
我们收集不全四个人的签名 We couldn't get the four signatures,
但是可以拿到露丝 but I can get you Ruth
和彼得·麦道夫的 and, um, Peter Madoff's.
稍等 Okay, hold on.
你是否接受带有电子监控监视的 Will you submit to, um, home detention
家庭软禁 with electronic monitoring and surveillance,
且将曼哈顿 蒙托克 棕搁滩的房屋进行抵押 homes in Manhattan, Montauk, and Palm Beach will be pledged,
并且上交你们夫妻双方的护照 and yours and Ruth's passports will be surrendered.
你都接受吗? Are those terms okay with you?
我接受 Um, yeah.
他同意了 太好了 - He says yes. Great. - ( phone buzzing )
-好的 -《日报》刚刚在网上登出新闻 - Okay. - Woman: "The Journal" just went online with the story.
媒体20分钟后到 We have 20 minutes before the press descends on this place.
来吧 Horwitz: Let's do this.
( zip tie zipping )
麦道夫先生 Mr. Madoff.
今晚华尔街发生了奇怪惊人的 Anderson Cooper: It's very strange and troubling news
大新闻 out of Wall Street tonight.
前纳斯达克证券交易所主席伯纳德·麦道夫 Former NASDAQ Stock Exchange chairman Bernard Madoff
因1000万美元债券纠纷出局 out on $10 million bond.
这位德高望重之人 This man with a stellar reputation
似乎是洗劫了 seems to have taken a whole lot
无数聪明人 of very smart people to the cleaners.
这个大家放心投资的人 The man they trusted the most with their money,
18年前的纳斯达克主席 a NASDAQ chairman 18 years ago,
先向当局坦白 is now confessing to authorities
已诈骗数十亿美元 he cheated them of billions of dollars.
大批投资人 And there's a bunch of big-time investors
非常好奇这个叫伯纳德·麦道夫的人 wondering how a guy named Madoff
是如何卷走他们的资产的 made off with their money.
( sighs )
接下来会发生什么 伯尼? What's gonna happen, Bernie?
-不清楚 -你会入狱吗? - I don't know. - Are you gonna go to jail?
或许吧 Probably.
会多久? For how long?
-我不知道 露丝 -很久 还是不久? - I don't know, Ruth. - For a long time or a little?
不知道 I don't know.
-怎么? -不知道 - What? - I don't know.
他们会收走我们的公寓吗? Are they gonna take the apartment away?
-不知道 -我们的房产呢? - I don't know. - What about the houses?
我们的儿子们孙子们呢? What about the boys and the grandkids?
-够了 露丝 -我只想知道 如果... - Ruth. Ruth, enough. - Look I just wanna know if--
很抱歉我问题有点多 伯尼 I'm sorry if I have questions, Bernie.
很抱歉我有点受惊了 I'm sorry if I'm a little scared, okay?
只是你从来都不和我说明真相 It's just you always keep me in the dark.
我这是为了保护你 I keep you in the dark to protect you.
可我再无被保护的感觉了 Yeah, well, it doesn't feel that way anymore.
我只想知道会发生什么 I just wanna know what's going on.
拜托了 伯尼 不要再瞒着我了 Please, Bernie, don't keep me in the dark anymore.
告诉我吧 Just tell me.
告诉我 Tell me.
告诉你什么 露丝? Tell you what, Ruth?
( crying )
我也不知道 Just tell me, I don't know...
你做了什么 what you did.
初遇露丝的时候 她13 我16 Bernie: I met Ruth when she was 13. I was 16.
当时是在一个朋友家地下室的派对上 A friend was having a party in his basement
自动唱片机出了点问题 Something had happened to the jukebox.
他搬机器的时候把机器搞坏了 It got knocked around when he was moving it,
只会单曲循环一首歌 so the only song it'd play was "Sh-Boom" over and over.
当时的她是个小个子的金发美女 She was this tiny, little blonde
有着漂亮的蓝色眼睛 with enormous blue eyes.
太美了 Just gorgeous.
人也很有趣 Very funny, too.
你还记得那个叫戈尔迪·霍恩的演员吗? You remember that actress Goldie Hawn?
-当然 -露丝就是那个样子的 - Diana: I do very well. - Yeah, that was Ruth.
每天早晨醒来的她都不谙世事 She'd wake up every morning without a care in the world.
活泼 可爱 Very lively, very bubbly.
受人喜欢 Popular, too.
-你呢 受人欢迎吗? -是啊 - Were you popular? - Oh, yeah.
当时我是个救生员 I mean, I was a lifeguard at the time.
那是我做过最棒的工作 Best job I ever had.
与其在岸上做个普通人 I mean, why just be some regular schnook on the beach
不如爬上守卫塔 when you can be in a guard tower,
让大家仰望 everyone looking up at you?
-还有工钱可以拿 -露丝不会心生嫉妒吗? - And you get paid. - Did Ruth ever get jealous?
整个那年夏天 Bernie: For the rest of the summer,
她每天都在守卫塔陪我 she laid out right next to the-- the guard tower every day.
有时候我低头冲她吹口哨 Sometimes I'd whistle down at her
她会抬头叫我狗狗 and she'd look up and call me a dog.
我喜欢她陪我的时候 But I liked having her there.
很喜欢 It felt good.
我们认识那天起 I mean, we've basically been together
基本上天天都腻在一起 every day since the night we met.
马上就是我们在一起的第51个纪念日了 It's our 51st anniversary coming up.
Mm.
你是怎么做到保守秘密的? How do you think you were able to keep it all separate?
16年了 For 16 years,
这个秘密不让我妻子 I kept this secret from my wife,
兄弟 my brother,
儿子们知道 my sons.
( sighs )
我是怎么做到 How I was able to do that
还能保持些许清醒头脑的 and maintain any degree of sanity,
嗯... well, it's, uh--
我想到的时候就会很担心 that worries me when I think about it.
♪ Oh, oh, yes ♪
♪ I'm the great pretender ♪
蒙托克海滩 2008年夏天
♪ Ooh, ooh ♪
♪ Pretending that I'm doing well ♪
♪ Ooh, ooh ♪
♪ My need is such ♪
♪ I pretend too much... ♪
-这些都是新鲜的吗? -是的 先生 - Those are fresh? - Yes, sir.
真的都很新鲜吗? They are really fresh?
-今早现杀的 -不是现解冻的? - Fresh this morning. - Not freshly frozen?
-不是的 先生 -是新鲜的就好 - No, sir. - Fresh, fresh, okay.
♪ I'm the great pretender... ♪
盘子都检查好 Check all the plates.
不要有没有清洗干净的 Make sure that none of them are dirty, please.
我不希望有人用不干净的盘子吃东西 I don't want anybody coming here and eating on a dirty plate.
他们拿起纸巾 They pick up a napkin,
你拿起纸巾 you pick up a napkin
这个上面有灰 and then you have dirt under here like this.
这个盘子是脏的 This one. See? Dirty plate.
确保所有盘子都是干净的 Make sure they're all clean.
你在伯纳德·麦道夫投资证券公司 Investigator: What was your job title
是什么职衔? at Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities?
首席合规官 Chief compliance officer.
我不经手公司的财务权益 I never had any financial interest in the firm.
伯尼明确表示 无意向继续合作 Bernie made it clear that there was no prospect for partnership.
♪ Boom, ba-doh, ba-doo, ba-doodle-ay ♪
♪ Oh, life could be a dream ♪
♪ If I could take you up in paradise up above ♪
埃莉诺 - ♪ If you would tell me... ♪ - Eleanor.
我们两个谁更帅 他还是我? So who's the more handsome brother, him or me?
这个段子太老了 花花公子 All right, we've all heard this one, Casanova.
-说吧 -我认为吗? - Come on. - In my opinion?
说实话 Be honest.
-彼得要有魅力得多 -哦 - Peter's way more attractive. - Oh.
你比较喜欢那种 So you've got a thing for barrel-chested bald men with big stomachs?
大胸肌啤酒肚地中海的男人咯?
去你的! - Screw you! - ( Eleanor laughs )
说真的 伯尼 In fact, Bernie,
我第一次见到彼得的时候 对自己说 when I first met Peter, I said to myself,
"天啊 这男人像极了李·梅杰斯" "My God, this man looks just like Lee Majors."
-帅气的很 -谢谢 埃莉诺 - Handsome. - Thank you, Eleanor.
那可是25年前的事了 Yeah, that was 25 years ago.
那时候即便你都还是有魅力的 埃莉诺 Back then, even you were attractive, Eleanor.
够了 伯尼 Stuff it, Bernie.
我知道你暗恋我 不要掩饰了 You know you got a thing for me. Do not lie.
没错 这是真的 You're right, I do.
-过来 -你知道我是爱你的 - Come here. - You know I love you.
( both laughing )
我得四处走走了 I gotta make the rounds.
彼得 可别让他接近你 Peter, do not let him get to you, that one.
我都习惯了 I'm used to it, believe me.
♪ Sh-boom, sh-boom ♪
♪ Ya, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da ♪
♪ Sh-boom, sh-boom ♪
♪ Ya, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da ♪
♪ Sh-boom ♪
有什么好看的? - ♪ Sh-boom, sh-boom... ♪ - The fuck you looking at?
安妮特 你要是心脏病犯了 Annette, you have a fucking heart attack,
我可不会给你做人工呼吸 I'm not giving you mouth-to-mouth.
♪ Ya, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da... ♪
我先说清楚 Just so we're clear.
♪ Ya, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, sh-boom. ♪
你可不想那样吧 Behind you is not the place to be.
你在麦道夫证券的账户上 Your accounts at Madoff Securities
总共有将近5000万美元 had a total of approximately $50 million.
-对吧? -没错 - Is that correct? - Yeah, that's correct.
你难道不觉得奇怪 Did it strike you as absurd
一个学历只有高中的人 that someone with just a high school education
会有这么多钱么? should have that kind of money?
当然不奇怪 我非常幸运 No! I was very, very lucky.
就像中彩票一样? Kind of like winning the lottery?
就像中彩票一样 Kind of like winning the lottery.
你有没有想过 Did it occur to you
你账户上有这样的 because you had this great account
巨额数字 and it was worth so much,
不会有什么欺骗性的猫腻吗? there must be something fraudulent there?
我从没这样想过 No. I never thought of the word fraudulent.
以我的经验 - ( music playing ) - In my experience,
只有四种不同种类的阴道 and I mean this, there's only four different types of pussy.
我是非常严肃认真的 Okay? I'm dead serious.
我指给你们看 You got your-- let me show you. I just saw one.
那边那个看到没? All right, right there. See there?
是本田思域类 That's your Honda Civic pussy.
你想去哪就带你去哪 Gets you where you wanna go.
这种小妞毫无耻辱感 No shame in this pussy at all.
可靠 Reliable. You just, you know,
你一定不希望被看到 you're not gonna be proud to be seen
在城里满哪乱搞吧? riding around town in it, am I right?
-对事不对人 -聊什么呢? - Nothing against her. - What's going on?
弗兰基大谈世界观 It's the world according to Frankie over here.
看那边那个 Frank: Right there. You see that there?
是别克君威类 That's your Buick Regal pussy.
比第一类高级些 Okay, a step up from the Honda.
所以也干净些 Uh, generally they're cleaner, okay?
更宽敞 可容纳更多乘客 Roomier, you fit more passengers in there.
利弊皆有吧 I guess there's pros and cons to that in a pussy.
很可爱的一类 You know, lovely pussy.
总不可能和奔驰类搞混 对吧? Nobody's gonna mistake it for a Benz, though. Am I right?
对吧 罗伯特? Am I right, Robert?
谢谢 上帝保佑你 Okay, thank you. God bless you.
我只想告诉你 I just want you to know,
尽管你看到那么多 despite everything you see,
但是安德鲁并不是什么有钱人 Andrew is not from money.
-不不 -他没什么钱 - Oh, no, no. - He's not from money.
我没有... I-- I'm not-- I'm not--
我知道你可能觉得他很有钱 I know you might think he's a rich guy,
但并不是 but he's not.
我们什么都没有 我父亲破产了 We're from nothing. My father was broke.
我们没什么财产 We're not rich people. We're humble people.
-好吧 -懂了? - Okay. - You understand?
嗯 Yes.
-过来 -哦 - Come here. - Yeah. Oh.
哦! ( chuckles ) Oh!
我真想扯条水管来 I'm gonna have to get out the hose
冲他脸上喷水 and spray him.
接下来 就是我个人最喜欢的一类了 Next up, my personal favorite.
刚看到一个 I just saw one.
在那边 不要表现得很明显 There. Now, don't make it obvious.
这个是林肯大陆类 Right there. That is your Lincoln Continental pussy.
美丽得刚刚好 Beautiful. Just-- it's just right.
恰到好处 You know what I mean? Like Goldilocks just right.
不太华贵 不很平庸 It's not too fancy, it's not too plain.
看着很舒服 It just-- it's just comfortable.
不多不少 It just-- it just fits.
就像穿久了的拖鞋 No, no, it's like an old pair of slippers
只不过不是穿在脚上 而是屌上 except instead of your foot, you put your cock in it.
-我说错了吗? -你有个女儿吧? - Am I wrong? - You have a daughter, right?
嗯 叫苏菲 我女儿很棒 Yeah, Sophie. She's wonderful.
真等不及想带她见见你们 I can't wait for you to meet her.
她爸爸是谁来着? And who's the father again?
是约翰 Um, uh, John,
我上一个男朋友 my-- my ex-partner at Urban Angler.
你们没有结婚吗? And you two never married?
没 Um, no. No.
如果我未婚生育 If I had had a baby out of wedlock,
我父亲会打爆我的头 my father would have taken me out back and shot me.
( all chuckling )
我是认真的 I'm not kidding, he would've shot me.
听我说完 No, no, stay with me
最后再提问 and hold all questions till the end.
-好吧 -那边那个 - Okay. - Right there, you see that? Ugh.
少女的异想日记 There it-- read it and weep.
是梅赛德斯奔驰类 It's your Mercedes-Benz pussy.
很美 Right? Look at it. I mean, it's beautiful.
简直就是一场阴道盛宴 It's just a feat of vaginal engineering.
手柄赞 No, it handles just great.
既光洁又紧致 It's sleek, it's tight,
看上去 摸起来 闻起来都很赞 it looks good, it feels good, it smells good.
但维护费很高 But a lot of upkeep. Yeah?
花钱如流水 又要打蜡又要抛光的 Payments are murder and you gotta wax it, you gotta polish it,
既要陪聊又得倾听 you gotta talk to it, you gotta listen to it, eh?
最重要的 And, most importantly,
还得时刻警惕 you gotta remain ever vigilant
没有人趁火打劫 that nobody fucking jacks it, right?
这个你就不必担心了 You don't have to worry about that
因为你没机会接触这样的尤物的 'cause you'll never get near anything like that.
所以不用担心 So don't worry about it.
是否可以说 Investigator: Is it fair to say
这诸多谎言 that as a result of all of these lies,
带给你了无尽财富? you got rich?
女士 我不是靠撒谎赚钱的 Well, I didn't get paid per lie, ma'am.
麦道夫证券的骗局 As a product of the fraud that was Madoff Securities,
带给你了无尽财富 这么说对么? you got rich, correct?
没错 Yeah, that's correct, yeah.
据你描述 You built, as you described,
你在新泽西布里奇沃特建了个豪宅 对么? a lavish home in Bridgewater, New Jersey, correct?
-那要看你怎么定义"豪宅"了 -嗯 - Well, define "lavish." - Sure.
-有几个卧室? -5个 - Uh, how many bedrooms did it have? - Five.
-几个洗手间? -7个 - How many bathrooms? - Seven.
-占地多少英亩? -7英亩 - How many acres? - Seven.
-有泳池吗? -有 - Did it have a swimming pool? - Yes, it did.
-有网球场吗? -没有 - Did it have a tennis court? - It did not.
-有池塘吗? -有 - Did it have a pond? - Yes, it did.
那么你认为 So would you consider
一个占地7英亩 有7个洗手间 seven acres, seven bathrooms,
5个卧室 一个泳池 five bedrooms, a swimming pool,
一个池塘的宅子 算不算豪宅呢? a pond, a lavish home?
大概算吧 I guess I might.
♪ Reaching out ♪
♪ Touching me ♪
♪ Touching you ♪
♪ Sweet Caroline ♪
♪ Bah, bah, bah ♪
♪ Good times never seemed so good ♪
♪ So good, so good, so good ♪
♪ I've been inclined ♪
♪ Bah, bah, bah ♪
♪ To believe they never would ♪
哇! - ♪ Oh, no, no... ♪ - Whoo!
- ( chatter ) - ( Stephanie chuckles )
过来 Come here.
♪ Sweet Caroline ♪
♪ Bah, bah, bah ♪
♪ Good times never seemed so good ♪
♪ So good, so good, so good ♪
- ♪ I've been inclined ♪ - ♪ Sweet Caroline ♪
♪ Bah, bah, bah... ♪
( new song plays )
( chatter )
上个周末 我和斯蒂芬妮 Hey, by the way, you know Stephanie and I went last weekend
去看了楠塔基特岛上的房子 to see that house in Nantucket?
-嗯... -尝尝龙虾 - You know-- - You should try the lobster.
-不了 -听我的 尝尝 - Oh, no, no, it's okay. - Oh, trust me on the lobster.
尝尝吧 你好! Try the lobster. Hey!
-老爸 我... -麻烦帮我儿子 - Dad, you know I got... - Can you get my son
-拿份龙虾来 -我胃不太好 - a lobster, please? - ...a weak stomach.
麻烦给他拿份龙虾来 Would you get him a lobster? Just...
需要我给你拿份龙虾来吗? Would you like me to get you the lobster?
不用问他 拿就是了 What are you asking him for? Just get him a lobster.
-一会他会感谢我们的 -说真的... - He'll thank us both later, okay? - Seriously...
那房子什么价位? So, what's the price tag on this house?
大概6500万 Mark: Uh, they got it at, like, six and a half,
但是可以讲价 - but we'll talk them down. - Bernie: That's what they're asking for?
他们要这么多?
是的 Yeah.
房子很特别 I mean, it's, like, special.
泳池遥望大海 It's, like-- it's got a pool looks out over the ocean.
-棒得超乎想象 -嗯 - It's unbelievable. - Bernie: Uh-huh.
我觉得我们还可以讲讲价 But I figure we can get them down a bit.
等下 Now, wait.
你就是这么上龙虾的? That's the way you bring the lobster?
对不起 先生 Apologies, sir.
我建议你端回去 Why don't you bring it back,
把钳子卸掉 壳子打开 take off the claws, open it up.
我付给你们的钱够多了吧 I mean, I pay enough for this whole thing.
连龙虾都不会上吗? Don't you guys know how to serve a lobster?
对不起 我马上回来 - Apologies. I'll be right back. - Okay, just bring it back properly.
去吧 回来的时候照我说的样子
-这算什么事啊 -你想和我一起看看房子吗? - I mean, what is this? - You wanna come see it with me?
-我们可以下周去... -我会去的 - We could go down next week and-- - I'll go see it.
价钱也可以谈 We can work on the price, too.
6500万 或许可以从5000万谈起 Yeah, six and a half, maybe we can start at five.
那还不错 - That would be nice. - Mark: We could probably take a boat from Montauk.
我们或许可以从蒙托克弄艘船来
-从港口出海... -好主意 - We can go out of the harbor-- - Good idea.
谢谢 Okay, thanks.
别吃那个 吃这个 So-- don't eat that, eat this.
-别吃... -我不喜欢吃龙虾 老爸 - Don't eat-- - I don't like lobster, Dad.
我都不知道这个是哪来的 我猜是你妈妈... Bernie: I don't even know why we had that. I guess your mother--
我吃龙虾会胃胀 Mark: 'Cause it's not good on my stomach.
嘿 Hey, uh,
请把这个收走 take this away, will you, please?
好的 先生 - Yes, sir. - ( muttering )
-拿走吧 -对不起 先生 - There you go. - Apologies, sir.
没事 Bernie: Okay.
他真是蛮擅长道歉的 One thing he's good at is apologizing.
♪ You, you ♪
♪ You ♪
♪ Ah... ♪
我在想 Mark: I guess I'm just wondering
要是你出了什么事可怎么办 what if something happens to you?
我们都不太了解这个咨询事务 We don't know the first thing about the advisory.
-弗兰克会处理的 -得了吧 老爸 - Frank will handle it. - Andy: Come on, Dad.
我无意冒犯 但是弗兰克... With all due respect, Frank's...
弗兰克怎么了? Frank's what?
他就是个白痴 Frank's an idiot.
他没上过大学 You know, Frank never went to college.
今天白天 我听见弗兰克 I heard Frank comparing women's vaginas to automobiles
把女人的阴道比作汽车 earlier today.
他怎么比喻 那是他的事情 Whether Frank is refined enough for your taste is irrelevant.
他对自己的工作很擅长 He's good at his job.
如果我有什么闪失 If something were to happen to me,
他会很妥善安排好你们的 he'd fill you guys in on all the details you need to know.
如果弗兰克给你使绊呢? Andy: And what if Frank decides to screw you?
我都不知道你身价多少 十亿? I mean, I don't even know how much you're worth. Is it a billion?
二十亿? 三十亿? Two billion? Three?
如果你价值三十亿 他非要少说十亿 What if there's three and he says there's two
然后卷钱跑路了呢? and takes a billion and rides off into the sunset?
别激动 Calm down, calm down. Everything is written down in a safe deposit box.
东西都在银行的保管箱里
如果我有不测 If something were to happen to me,
你就咨询我们的律师 他有办法 you consult with our lawyers, and they'll handle it.
会妥善安排好一切 They'll fill you in on everything.
一切? Everything, huh?
-没错 -祝你好运吧 - That's right, everything. - Everything? You know, good luck.
这谈话没法继续了 This conversation is impossible.
-真不知道我的话... -没法谈了! - I don't understand why you can't understand... - Impossible!
你有什么听不懂的 ...what I just said to you.
为什么每次我们谈到这个 You know, why is it that whenever this conversation comes up,
你都设法逃避 不直面问题呢? you find a way to wriggle out of giving me an answer?
是你们硬要提起来的 It comes up because you bring it up.
那是因为我们要做出打算 No, because I'm-- we're trying to plan.
你们不提 就不会谈到这个事 Well, if you don't bring it up, it won't come up.
我只是想形成一个基本观念 You know, I'm just trying to get a basic sense--
你不需要形成任何观念 马克 You don't have to get a sense of anything, Mark.
你不需要形成任何观念 - You don't have to get a sense of anything. - Why is that too much to ask?
怎么总有这么多问题呢?
-我说过了 这件事免谈 -老爸! 老爸! - I've told you this is something I don't talk about. - Dad. Dad!
听我说 我不懂! Listen to me. I don't understand!
什么情况? 你是白痴吗? Listen, what is wrong? Are you a fucking idiot?
你是白痴吗? 是吗? Are you a fucking idiot?! I mean, answer me!
-我不懂啊! -你当然不懂了! - I don't understand! - No, you don't understand!
你没有必要懂! You don't have to fucking understand!
你想接管公司 You're asking me about taking over the advisory
但现在连一个简单的闭嘴的指令 and yet you can't even follow a simple fucking instruction
都听不懂! to shut the fuck up!
你不懂 You don't understand.
你也不会懂 You don't understand.
别想了 Leave it alone.
好吧 Okay.
对不起 I'm sorry.
-晚安 -我爱你 爸爸 - Good night. - I love you, Dad.
我也爱你 晚安 Love you. Good night.
♪ Hey, nonny, ding, dong, a-lang, a-lang, a-lang ♪
♪ Boom, ba-doh, ba-doo, ba-doodle-ay ♪
♪ Oh, life could be a dream ♪
♪ If I could take you up in paradise up above ♪
♪ If you would tell me I'm the only one that you love ♪
♪ Life could be a dream, sweetheart ♪
♪ Hello, hello, again, sh-boom and hopin' we'll meet again ♪
- ♪ Oh, life could be a dream ♪ - ♪ Sh-boom ♪
♪ If only all my precious plans would come true... ♪
( insects chirping )
这里的人们总是问我 为什么我不想着逃跑呢 Bernie: People here always ask me how come I never ran.
说实话 我没想过会进监狱 But the truth is it didn't even occur to me.
可能是因为我没想过 I guess it's because I never thought
自己所做的事是偷窃吧 of what I was doing was stealing.
这是个650亿美元的庞氏骗局 Diana: Well, it was a $65 billion Ponzi scheme.
人们失掉了毕生积蓄 失掉了家庭 People lost their life savings, they lost their homes.
生活被我毁了 Their lives were destroyed.
你没想过这是偷窃? You didn't think of that as stealing?
人们是信任你的 People felt safe with you.
-嗯 但那都是... -而你 - Yeah, but these were-- - And yet
背叛了所有人 you were betraying them all.
但那些人 Well, but these people, you know,
也是有一点贪婪之心的 they had a little greed in them, too.
有点... There was a little bit of, you know--
他们不想努力 look, you know, and they didn't wanna look too hard.
只想赚钱 They looked just far enough.
-所以某种意义上讲 他们也是共犯 -伯尼 - So they're accomplices in some way, too. - Bernie.
因为信任你 所以你说他们是共犯? Accomplices because they trusted you?
因为你值得信任 Accomplices because you were so trustworthy,
看着值得信任 而说他们是共犯? you seemed so trustworthy.
是的 他们本身缺少那份正直 Yeah, but there's a lack of honesty on their behalf,
又不愿为自己的行为负责 an unwillingness to take responsibility for their behavior.
-你是说你的投资人? -是的 - Your investors? - Yes.
你们这么说 It takes a lot of chutzpah
真是肆无忌惮 for you of all people to say that.
嗯... You know...
现在想起来 now that I think of it,
我最大的失误... my greatest failure--
或者说我最大的弱点... or maybe it's my greatest weakness--
就是我总希望取悦人们 is I've always wanted to please people.
这一点... And that's--
会给你惹上麻烦 that's one that can get you into trouble.
大早上我就待在这里! - ( chatter ) - I've been here all fucking morning!
-我要上楼 -先生 现在任何人都不可以上楼 - I wanna go upstairs. - Sir, nobody's going upstairs right now.
我要见负责人 I wanna see somebody in charge.
-当前我就是负责人 -你在保护谁? - Right now, I'm in charge. - Who are you protecting?!
请退回去 Officer: And you need to back up right now.
这可是我 - We're talking about my fucking life savings! - I told you right now!
-毕生的积蓄! -我说了!
-你懂吗? -请退回去 先生 - Do you understand? - You need to back up right now, sir.
( chatter continues )
( line ringing )
( phone ringing )
-你好 麦道夫公司 -我就在大厅里 - Eleanor: Hello, Madoff. - Man: I'm in the fucking lobby.
我要求上楼 I wanna come up.
先生 我现在 Sir, I am not able
不能请你上楼 to give you permission to come up here right now.
我的钱呢? Where is my fucking money?!
请拨打咨询部门电话 You have to call the advisory arm.
-我可以提供他们的电话 -去你的 你个贼! - I can give you their number. - Fuck you, you fucking thief!
( radio chatter )
老天啊 Oh, my God.
伯尼眼中没有特殊事件 Eleanor: Unusual circumstances did not exist for Bernie.
就拿911举个例子吧 Take 9-11.
双子塔被击中的时候 When those towers got hit,
楼里所有人 everybody in the whole entire office
都围在电视前面 was gathered around the TV.
有人大喊大叫 有人歇斯底里 Who was crying? Who was hysterical?
但伯尼没有 Not Bernie.
他依旧埋头工作 He kept his head down and he continued to work.
就好像 And it is not like
他没有认识的人 he did not know anybody
在双子塔中一样 in those buildings.
( chatter )
当大家 Diana: As with every event
自身权益收到损害时 of personal devastation,
他们自己身在哪里 they remember exactly where they were
正在做什么事 and what they were doing
都会记得清清楚楚 when they learned they were ruined.
( fax machine clicks, chirps )
灰白色的纸张 Diana: The grayish white paper
从玛丽·汤马真的传真机中滚出 rolled out of Mary Thomajan's fax machine.
传真来自一个小型支线基金 The fax was from the small feeder fund
这支基金她信任了18年 she had trusted for 18 years
传真上面写道 她的全部资产 telling her that all her money
都被授予给了一个叫麦道夫的 had been invested with Madoff,
被捕的人 who had been arrested.
( camera shutter clicks )
事后她回忆道 She later recalled,
"在读完传真的那50秒内 "In the 50 seconds it took to read that fax,
我从一个千万富翁 I went from being a multimillionaire
变成了一无所有之人 to having my life savings wiped out
生活发生了天翻地覆的转变" and life as I knew it altered forever.
罗伯特·哈里欧的儿子给波拉卡顿的 Robert Halio's son called him at his retirement home
养老院中的他打了电话 述说了新闻 - in Boca Raton with the news. - ( rings )
钱全没了 爸爸 Man: It's all gone, Dad.
我不知道该怎么办 I don't-- I don't know what to do.
他资产的95% Diana: 95% of his wealth
都被委托给了麦道夫公司 现在都打了水漂 had been entrusted to Madoff and was now gone.
德拉维莱切特先生 Mr. De la Villehuchet
给他兄弟写了封信 上书 had written his brother a letter that said,
"如果你毁了你的朋友 客户 "If you ruin your friends, your clients,
你就要面对后果" you have to face the consequences.
他放了个垃圾篓 He then positioned a trash basket
保护好地毯 to protect the carpet
就用美工刀割了腕 and slit his wrist with a box cutter.
提姆·默里 明尼苏达州的一个地产经理 Tim Murray, a property manager in Minnesota,
正在路上开车 差点偏离了路线... was traveling and nearly drove off the road...
福特·劳德代尔... - ...Fort Lauderdale... - ( overlapping dialogue )
-理查德·弗雷德曼... -大卫·艾斯林... - Richard Freedman... - David Iselin...
( overlapping voices )
是时候该承担后果了 伯尼 Stephen Colbert: Time to pay the piper, Bernie.
或许... - Presumably-- - ( cheering, applause )
Presumably with the life savings of another piper.
就是... Just...
这可是既真正的金宇塔以来 This was the worst pyramid scheme
最差的金字塔骗局了 - since the actual pyramids. - ( audience laughs )
露丝喜欢 - Ruth loves to go to the California Pizza Kitchen. - Paul Schaffer: Yeah.
去加州比萨厨房吃饭
据说 她最喜欢的菜 And they say that her favorite dish there
就是油炸小牛"庞" is the veal scallo-Ponzi.
( rim shot )
我有件很重要的事要告诉你 Listen, I have something to tell you that's really important.
你的钱在我手里! 我可以拿去给你 I have your money! I can get it to you.
好吧 我猜你已经不在了 - Okay, I guess you're not there. - ( audience laughs )
他们可以看得清清楚楚 They can see right in.
-他们可以看得清清楚楚 -什么呀 - They can see right in. - What?
我们没有窗帘 We-- we don't have any curtains.
他们什么都看得见 They can see right in.
我一会打回给你 Andy: Hold on, let me call you back.
凯瑟琳 没事的 - Catherine, it's gonna be fine. - No, they're gonna be looking in
不 他们会用长焦镜头监视我们
我们被困在这里了 with their long lenses and we'll be trapped.
他们在外面站站就会无趣走开的 They're gonna get bored just standing around.
我又不是故事的主角 I'm not the story.
必须赶快安上窗帘 We've gotta get curtains right now.
2008年圣诞前夜 ( chatter )
( elevator whirring )
该死 - ( elevator bell dings ) - Shit.
( doors open )
( doors close )
嗨 你好吗? Hi, how are you?
我还好 I'm all right.
你呢? You?
好多了 I've been better.
我相信 - I'll bet. - ( elevator bell dings )
-妈妈 妈妈 -怎么了? - Mommy, Mommy. - What?
-她是不是露丝·麦道夫? -杰西卡 不要说了 - Is that Ruth Madoff? - Jessica, not another word.
没关系 It's okay.
不 有关系 No, none of it is.
( elevator bell dings )
( elevator doors close )
她出来了 - Man: There she is. - ( all shouting )
( horns honking )
( music playing )
-嗨 萨拉 -嗨 - Hi, Sarah. - Oh, hi.
吉泽尔在吗? 我想 Is Gisele here? I was wondering
今天我能不能排上队 if she might be able to fit me in today.
我已经好久没有染发了 I haven't had my hair colored in God knows how long.
-我想她... -没事 - Um, I think she's-- - You know, don't worry.
-我去找她 -嗯... - I'll find her. - Uh...
15年了 我一直来这里做头发 皮埃尔 Ruth: I've been coming here for 15 years, Pierre.
我知道 Pierre: I understand.
我们有太多顾客 We have too many clients
因为你丈夫的缘故损失了不少钱 who have lost their money because of your husband.
我已经不再相信别人了 But I don't trust anyone else.
很抱歉 I'm very sorry,
但我不能拿自己的名誉做赌注 but I can't afford to risk my reputation.
那上门服务呢? What about a house call?
我可以加钱 I can pay extra.
-对不起... -皮埃尔 - I'm sorry... - Pierre.
我得请你离开了 but I have to ask you to leave now.
抱歉 露丝 I'm sorry, Ruth.
-该死 -露丝! - Shit. - Bernie: Ruth!
-你干嘛呢? -没什么 - What are you doing? - Nothing!
你干什么呢? What are you doing?
-在找什么吗? -找我的打火机 - Looking for something? - My lighter.
抽屉里没有火柴了吗? Well, aren't there matches in the drawer?
-没有了 -怎么会没有了? - No. - No? What do you mean?
-抽屉里一般都会放火柴的啊 -用没了 - There's always matches in the drawer. - Well, we're out.
你上次在哪里见到的? Where'd you last see it?
我要是记得上次在哪见到的 If I knew where I last saw it,
现在就不会到处找了 伯尼 I wouldn't be looking for it, Bernie.
( TV playing in background )
( sighs )
我真是个白痴 I'm such an idiot.
为什么我活到这么大 How did I get to be this age
都还没有独立做成过什么呢? without doing anything on my own?
你说什么呢? What are you talking about?
我一事无成 伯尼 I-- I didn't do anything, Bernie.
没有独立完成过一件事 I never did one thing on my own.
没有工作 没有头衔 I-- I don't have a career, I don't have a name,
没有属于自己的朋友 I don't-- I don't have any friends of my own.
只有满满的悔悟 The only thing I have are regrets.
只剩下这些了 That's all I got to show for myself.
-一个接一个的悔悟 -露丝 现在一定要这样吗? - Regret after regret. - Ruth, do we have to go into this now?
我想了很多 I got a lot on my mind.
我会离开 没有人知道我是否回来 I'm going away and who knows if I'm going to come back.
-你说这个干嘛? -我没有确定下来... - Why would you say that? - ( stammering ) I'm not saying for certain--
-不 艾克说你会... -当我没说 - No, Ike said that you'd be able to-- - Forget I mentioned it.
你不能这么做 You can't do that.
我还没准备好 I'm not ready.
我还没准备好 一个人生活 I-- I'm not ready to be alone.
你是我唯一的依靠 You're all I have.
孩子们都不跟我说话 The boys don't speak to me.
没人跟我谈心 No one speaks to me.
我会疯的 伯尼 I'll-- I'll go crazy, Bernie.
我一个人会疯的 I'll-- I'll go crazy all alone.
伯尼 我真的会疯的 I'll go crazy, Bernie, I will.
( beeping )
( phone ringing )
嗨 - ( machine beeps ) - Ruth's voice: Hi.
哔声后 请留言 Leave a message after the tone.
伯尼! - ( machine beeps ) - Man: Bernie!
伯尼 你在家吗? Bernie, you there?
伯尼? 快接电话啊 Bernie? Come on, pick up.
我知道你把那500亿藏起来了 I know you're hiding that 50 billion somewhere,
你这个狗娘养的 you piece-of-shit cocksucker.
我希望你每天都被男人爆菊 I hope you enjoy getting your ass raped every night,
你就躲起来吧 小心别被我逮到 'cause you're going away for a long time.
后会有期 你这个该死的混蛋 Hasta la vista, you kike motherfucker.
- ( receiver clicks ) - ( machine beeps )
( jewelry jingling )
你在做什么? What are you doing?
我不能再这样活下去了 Ruth: I can't live like this.
成天吃力不讨好 Slogging through,
患得患失 到头来却是一场空 being miserable to no good end.
有意义吗? What's the point?
我之前还在想... You know, I was thinking earlier--
即使我不这样做 迟早也会有人出来顶替我 this-- this isn't even about me.
这个国家需要一个坏人的角色 This country needs a villain,
需要他来恐吓所有人 someone to send to the gallows
这样他们才能听话地 在受操纵的系统下生活 so everyone can feel okay about living under a rigged system.
现在别跟我说这些 伯尼 I don't give a rat's ass, Bernie.
所以倒不如我来当这个坏人 Well, it'll be better once I go.
你拿这些珠宝干什么? What's with the jewelry?
这是法院唯一没有冻结的东西了 It's the only thing the court didn't freeze.
我要打包起来 I'm gonna wrap it all up,
寄回去给家里人 give it to family,
然后自杀 and then kill myself.
你自杀干嘛? Why would you kill yourself?
因为我受够了被所有人怨恨 Because I'm tired of being hated.
我甚至都不能理解 I don't even understand it.
我... 你自己捅了篓子 I-- you got yourself into trouble.
没办法自圆其说 但这跟我有什么关系? You couldn't get out. What do I have to do with it?
他们为什么要连我也一并怨恨? Why does the world hate me?
大家都以为我是所谓的幕后操纵者 They all think I'm some kind of a mastermind.
把这当做是一种褒奖吧 露丝 Take it as a compliment, Ruth.
他们都在背后说我坏话 They say all these horrible things about me.
说我是你的簿记员 They say I-- I was your bookkeeper.
-他们说... -你才不是簿记员呢 - They say-- - You weren't my bookkeeper.
但第一年的账目确实是我记的啊 I did maintain the records the first year.
那都是1960年的事了 而且当时没有其他人参与 That was in 1960. It was just you and me.
实际上 你连簿记的专业都没学过 I mean, but you weren't even a real bookkeeper.
我知道 我只是说你不要试图 制造出我不是你"同伙"的假象 No, but I'm just saying don't make it seem like I didn't pitch in
因为当时我还回来帮了你的 记得吗? because I even came back, remember?
记得 不过后来我们就聘请了一个职业簿记员 - Yeah, but then we hired a real bookkeeper. - And I helped with payroll.
然后我还帮你发工资
我们请了一个职业的簿记员 - We hired a real bookkeeper. - Right, so why are they making it seem
是啊 所以为什么其他人
一定要死抓着我不放 认为这一切跟我有关? like I-- like I'm involved with all this stuff?
因为他们无处宣泄 亲爱的 Because they're out for blood, honey.
这就是原因 That's why. They just wanna...
不过知情的人 都知道你跟这件事毫无关联 But anybody in the know knows you weren't the mastermind.
-这简直就是无中生有 -多谢安慰 - That's nonsense. - Oh, well, thanks.
我都已经想自杀了 I already wanna kill myself.
你还想让我感觉更糟? Are you trying to make me feel worse?
不是 我... No, but I...
你... You, uh--
你真的想自杀? you'd commit suicide?
用什么方法? With what?
我也不知道 还没想过这个问题 I don't know. I haven't figured that part out yet.
不过要体面一点的 比如吃安眠药 Something nice. Maybe Ambien.
家里还有多少安眠药? How much Ambien do we have?
多得可以开药店了 Enough to open a fucking pharmacy.
这个可以吗? 氯硝安定? What about these? Klonopin?
都差不多 放进来吧 Same thing. Just put it in here.
《祝你有个快乐的小圣诞》 Do have yourself a merry little Christmas.
这是一首好歌 接下来你将会听到朱蒂·加兰演唱这首歌 It's a great song and you'll be hearing Judy Garland sing it...
就不能安静地结束这一切吗? Ruth: Can't we just have quiet?
不看点东西我睡不着 I can't fall asleep unless I watch something.
你刚刚吃了整整一瓶的 You just took a whole fucking bottle
安眠药 伯尼 of Ambien, Bernie.
你是不可能睡不着的 Sleep's not gonna be your problem.
我脑袋里现在很乱 My mind races.
好吧 Fine.
我们在地球上的最后一个夜晚 Our last night on Earth
有你 有我 还有朱蒂·加兰 will be you, me, and Judy Garland.
-多浪漫啊 -现在先别说这些 露丝 - How romantic. - Let's not get started, Ruth.
我们的一生过得还是挺快乐的 对吧? We had a good life, didn't we?
是啊 Yeah,
可惜你把它给毁了 until you ruined it.
♪ Have yourself ♪
♪ A merry little Christmas ♪
♪ Let your heart be light ♪
♪ Next year, all our troubles ♪
- ♪ Will be out of sight... ♪ - ( door opens )
- ( footsteps ) - ♪ Have yourself... ♪
爷爷! Boy: Pop-pop!
爷爷! - Pop-pop! - ♪ Make the yuletide gay ♪
♪ Next year, all our troubles ♪
♪ Will be miles away... ♪
( running footsteps )
- ♪ Once again... ♪ - Hello?
爷爷! - ♪ As in olden days... ♪ - Pop-pop!
是谁? - Hello? - ♪ Happy golden days ♪
♪ Of yore ♪
马克 安迪 - ♪ Faithful friends... ♪ - Mark, Andy.
真高兴你们能来 I'm glad you came.
我有好多话想跟你们讲 I have so much I wanna tell you.
有好多话 So much I wanna tell you.
我从来没想过... I never-- I never wanted any--
从来没想让你们两个 I never wanted either of you
去... to-- to--
去... to, you know--
我从来没想让你们两个... I just never wanted either of you to--
只是... it just--
人生当中有时会发生一些事 sometimes things in life happen
是你从没... that you don't even...
我有很多秘密 但是从来没打算要跟你们 You know, there's a lot that I never really wanted to--
分享 to tell you.
额 Uh,
我很高兴你们能来 I'm glad-- I'm glad you're here.
♪ Once again ♪
♪ As in olden days ♪
- ♪ Happy golden... ♪ 晚上好 - Good evening.
这一天将会被永远 It is a day that will be in bold print
载进史册 in history books.
黑色星期一 1987年10月19号 Black Monday, October 19th, 1987,
这一天股票市场进入了自由跌落的状态 when the stock market went into a free fall,
就一天的损失量 losing more in one day
就超过了1929年的黑色星期二 than it did on Black Tuesday in 1929.
他妈的暗箱操作 - ( static hisses ) - Fucking rigged.
该怎么跟这些小人作对 - How to fuck the little guy. - ( keyboard clacking )
我很想知道 到底能不能指望你 I wonder if I can count on you.
当然可以 Frank: Of course.
爷爷! Boy: Pop-pop!
-我能指望你吗? -爸爸! - Bernie: Can I count on you? - Pop-pop!
我们今天遭受了重大的打击 Bernie: We took a big hit today.
损失了超过十亿美元 Lost over a billion and change.
你知道如何利用 价差执行转换套利策略 You know how with a split-strike conversion strategy
来让股票权期抵消亏损吗? the stock options offset losses?
就如同保险一般 Frank: It's like insurance.
一次像这样的暴跌 就是非常好的策略 A fucking meltdown like this, would have been a nice strategy.
不过前提是我们必须 If only we had it in place
-提前准备好... -没有不过 - before the fucking-- - No ifs.
没有不过 No ifs.
而且我们要保守秘密 And we tell no one.
谁都不能告诉 We tell no one.
爷爷! Boy: Pop-pop!
也就是说 我们是在挑选昨天的赛马比赛的赢家? Frank: Basically, we're picking winners of yesterday's horse races?
没错 如果有人来复查我们的账目 所有的空缺都能被填补 Yeah, so if anyone double-checks our trades, we got it all there.
-人人都是获利者 -没问题 - All winners. - Fine.
一定要确保账簿上 Bernie: Make sure the books show
注明清理账目的人 是伦敦办公室的 that the London office is clearing the trades
这样制造旺市的高层就不会被察觉 so no one upstairs in market-making is involved.
我的兄弟 儿子 谁都不能暴露 Not my brother, not the boys, no one.
-明白吗? -当然 我当然明白 - Understand? - Yeah, of course, of course, yeah.
谁都不能暴露 No one.
欧文对我说的最后一句话 Woman: Erwin's last words to me,
他的临终遗言是 the last thing he said was,
"伯尼会处理好一切的" "Bernie will take care of everything."
他现在死了 我完全不知道该怎么办 He's gone and I don't know what to do.
一切都会好起来的 Bernie: It's gonna be okay.
你可以把欧文所有其他的账户 You can take all of Erwin's other accounts--
他的存款 人寿保险 以及其他的一切 his savings, life insurance, everything--
都存进他在这里的账户里 and you can put it all in his account here.
愿上帝保佑你 伯尼 ( distorted ) God bless you, Bernie.
爸爸! Boy: Pop-pop!
( running footsteps )
-爸爸! -丹尼尔 - Pop-pop! - Daniel!
-爸爸? -什么事? - Pop-pop? - Yeah?
你会死在监狱里吗? Are you gonna die in jail?
♪ Somehow... ♪
露丝 露丝 Bernie: Ruth. Ruth.
再给我点药 Ruth, I need more pills.
露丝 Ruth.
你难道没有羞耻心吗? Man: Have you no shame?
是谁? Hello?
你难道没有羞耻心吗? Have you no shame?
没有后悔吗? No remorse?
你难道没有良心吗? - Have you no conscience? - ( reporters clamoring )
你从寡妇的手里偷钱 You steal from widows,
从慈善机构手里偷钱 you steal from charities,
从大屠杀幸存者 埃利·维塞尔手里偷钱 you steal from Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor.
你蚕食自己的同胞 You prey on your own people.
从自己的同胞手里偷钱 You steal from your own people.
你难道没有羞耻心吗!? Have you no shame!?
( gunshots )
( gasps )
-嗯? -我们还没死 - Huh? - Well, we're still here.
( chatter )
马可波罗斯先生 接下来交给你了 Man: Mr. Markopolos, it's all yours.
谢谢你 主席先生 Markopolos: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
我和我的团队从2000年5月开始 My team and I tried our best to get the SEC to investigate
就向美国证券交易委员会提交 and shut down the Madoff Ponzi scheme
关于调查并阻止马多夫 with repeated and credible warnings to the SEC
庞氏骗局的警告 that started in May 2000.
-我们知道... -露丝 - We knew that... - Ruth.
怎么了? Ruth: What?
你想看看这个哈利的证词吗? You wanna watch this Harry guy's testimony?
谁? Who?
哈利什么的... 我不认识他的姓怎么读 Harry-- I don't know, I can't pronounce it.
关于什么的证词? What's he testifying about?
我的 Me.
时间跨度长达整整9年 ...over a nine-year time span.
如果一笔价值500万的 If a $50-billion Ponzi scheme
庞氏骗局数目 不能让证券委员会的人优先调查 doesn't make the SEC's priority list,
那我很想知道他们是如何判断轻重缓急的 then I wanna know who sets their priorities.
你是依据什么 判断伯尼·马多夫是诈骗犯的? What made you think that Bernie Madoff was a fraud?
最重要的信息是... 当然我也凭这一点仅花了5分钟 The key tip-off-- and it took me about five minutes
就认定了他是一个诈骗犯... to figure out that he was a fraud--
接下来我会演示一个手势 然后我会告诉人家 I'm gonna give you a hand signal and I'm gonna show you
这个表演动作的潜台词是什么 what his performance return line looked like.
这代表股票的涨势... 只增不减 It went in only one direction-- up.
他们的股票 从来不像正常股市的那样 It never had variation like the market does
跌涨起伏 后来我发现... like-- like this, but then I did...
-这家伙是谁? -他曾警告证券委员会的人要注意我 - Who is this guy? - He tried to warn the SEC about me.
-然后呢? -他们无视了他的警告 - And what happened? - They ignored his warnings.
-那有什么意思呢? -你是指的什么? - So what's the point? - What do mean what's the point?
这个听证会的意义何在? Well, what's the point of all this?
他的大概意思就是想说 Well, he's saying that basically,
他曾把证据递交给证券委员会 he handed the SEC the evidence
但他们没有及时的跟进 and they didn't follow up on it.
所以是说政府机构的人不管事 Oh, so a government agency is incompetent.
-嗯哼 -这算新闻吗? - Mm-hmm. - Yeah, and that's news?
不算啊 这点我几年前就在吐槽了 No, look, I've been saying that for years.
而且我都是直接跟他们打交道 所以明白得很 and I have firsthand knowledge.
( horns honking )
2005年夏天
这个混蛋穿着那件夹克 随意地进出这栋大楼 This fucking cocksucker walks in and out of the building
到处招摇 with this jacket on.
他有病吗? What the fuck is wrong with him?
伯尼 这个人想知道我们存托公司的账户号 Bern, the guy's asking for our DTC account number.
我们怎么办? What are we gonna do?
我跟证券委员会打了那么多年的交道 I mean, all my years dealing with the SEC,
从没听说过这个证券执法部门 I've never seen this enforcement.
这家伙以为自己是谁? Who the fuck does this guy think he is?
老板 如果不把号码给他 Boss, if we don't give the guy the number,
那就会显得我们有所隐藏 it's gonna be obvious that we're hiding something.
是啊 但我就是看不惯他这么大摇大摆地走进来 Yeah, but the way he just fucking walks in here like that,
也不穿件西装 no fucking suit or nothing.
-我懂 -这他妈得自大到什么程度啊? - No, I know. - What kind of fucking arrogance?
他那件夹克确实很惹人烦 不过 这不是重点 The jacket's annoying, but, Bern, please focus.
如果我们把编号给他 If we do give it to him,
他们只需要打一个电话给存托公司 uh, one call to the DTC and that's it.
我们就完了 Game over.
我们来只是做一个常规检查 We're just here for a routine exam.
我们已经10年没来了解过情况了 We haven't done one in 10 years.
-你们不是才来吗 -没有啊 - You were just here. - Uh, we-- we weren't.
-信托监察部来过 -我们跟信托监察部信息是不互通的 - DC Inspections was. - We don't talk to DC.
跟我谈谈这篇文章 So, tell me about this article.
这个东西确实挺困扰我的 Yeah, I was very bothered by this.
他们为什么要把我的脸画得这么胖? I mean, why would they make me look fat?
你说什么? Excuse me?
不信你自己看 I mean, look at my face.
看看这张脸 我看起来就像一条海豚 Look at my cheeks. I look like a fucking porpoise.
我想问的其实是里面对你的指控 Well, um, yes, but I'm referring to the allegations.
怎么了? 罗莉·理查德什么都知道 What about it? Lori Richards has all this information.
我汇总成一个文件 直接发给她了 I sent it to her in a file. They have it.
我之前也说了 我们这个部门组织的 As I told you, we're a very large organization.
-所以很多信息是不互通的 -你们不跟信托监察交流? - We don't talk to each other. - You don't talk to DC?
是的 我们不交流 N-no. It-- it's, uh...
这就是证券委员会的问题了 This is the problem with the SEC.
其实我都提了好多年意见了 I've been saying this for years.
我就说你们部门之间需要有更多的沟通 I mean, you have to have better communication.
如果你们的信息不流通 你们又怎么能 How are you supposed to be able to do your job
及时并有效地处理好问题呢? with a fraction of the information?
我们也在往这方面做尝试 Well, we're trying to get all of the information.
那你觉得先从跟信托监察交流开始如何? Well, don't you think you should start by talking to DC?
我整个办公室的人 I mean, I got-- my whole office here
都在猜测是不是出什么问题了 is wondering what's happening.
你穿着这间夹克走进来 You come in with that jacket,
把我们所有人都吓得半死 it embarrasses the hell out of all of us.
而这个呢? 就是一个该死的卡通人像 And this? It's a fucking cartoon.
这篇文章也很久远了 都是4年前发表的了 It's an old article. It's four years old.
你们就带着一份印有愚蠢卡通图像的旧报纸 And you're asking me questions about an old article
来问我问题? with a silly cartoon?
而且还没跟信托监察的人 提前通过气 And you haven't spoken to DC.
需要等你的律师吗? Are we, um-- are we waiting on your lawyers?
有监管机构的人来我办公室的时候 I never have lawyers in the office
我从来不会请律师过来 有两个原因 when I'm talking to regulators for two reasons.
第一 我什么事都没犯 One, I'm not doing anything wrong.
第二 我比绝大多数的人都要了解规则 Two, I know the rules better than most
因为其中的大部分都是我起草的 because I drafted a majority of them.
虽然我们之前没见过 And we haven't met before,
不过可以说我们还是挺有关系的 but we have very strong relationships.
你们证券委员会主任的候选名单上 就有我的大名 And I was on the short list for SEC director.
这个我们知道 Yes, we-- we know that.
如果你们还有什么需要 随时来办公室找我 If you need anything at all, I'll be in my office.
不要觉得不方便 There's no such thing as an inconvenience.
-谢谢 -随时欢迎你们 - Thanks. - I'm here.
噢 Oh, um,
还有 这些保安都是信托公司的人吗? by the way, are these securities with the DTC?
-没错 -我们需要你们的账户号 - Of course. - We're gonna need your account number
以便核实你们的资产 just so we can verify the assets.
伯尼 我他妈都快急死了 Oh, Bern, you're fucking killing me.
646 646.
646 好的 谢谢你 646. Great, thank you.
你们介意出门前 把这件夹克 Do you mind if you take that jacket off
脱掉吗? before you go out there?
-噢... -只是... - Oh, um... - Just...
没问题 Sure.
只需一个电话 Bernie's voice: One call.
证券委员会的人 只需要打一个电话 All the SEC had to do was make one call
就可以发现 所有的一切都是伪造的 and they would've seen that everything was fake,
账户里其实一分钱都没有 that there was nothing there.
可他们不会打电话的 But they never called.
你想要赌他们不打? Diana: You just gambled that they wouldn't call?
这不仅仅是赌博的心理 Bernie: It was more than a gamble. It was--
更像是一次信仰的飞跃 it was a leap of faith, if you will.
知道他们有可能会打那个电话 然后就能 Diana: You wait, knowing what they will find
发现一切 但是你唯一能做的就是等待 if they make that call.
真不敢想象那是怎样的心情 I can't imagine what that was like.
是极其痛苦且困难的 It was-- it was excruciatingly difficult.
在某种程度上 你认为... At some point, you figured...
我认为他们不会打 I figured that they didn't do it.
他们不会继续跟进 They just didn't follow up on it.
( Diana sighs )
如果你没有打算自杀 If you didn't plan on killing yourself
或者潜逃 or going into hiding,
你觉得这件事会有怎么样的结局? how did you think it would end?
应该就是... Well, it was almost like, uh--
虽然现在听起来 有点骇人... it sounds horrible to say it now--
不过我想的话 应该会世界末日吧 but I just wanted the whole world to come to an end.
当911发生时 When 9-11 happened,
我就觉得这是唯一可能的结局 I thought this was the only way out.
整个世界陷入混沌 我会死去 The world would come to an end, I'd be dead,
所有人都会没命 and everybody would be gone.
不过其实我还能继续骗下去的 But, I mean, I could've kept it going.
我本能把一切继续掩饰好 I could've covered everything.
即使是在08年秋天 Even after the fall of '08,
我手边还是有大量的现金投资 可以拉拢进去 I had enough commitments of cash that would've come in.
所以我本来可以... So I could've, you know-- I-- I--
不过我累了 I just got tired.
我早已打算好 在感恩节的时候 放弃一切 ( sighs ) I knew by Thanksgiving I was gonna give it up.
然后停手 - I was gonna stop. - ( drums playing )
美国的金融危机 - ( reporters' voices overlapping ) - Financial turmoil in the US.
华尔街进入危机模式 Wall Street in crisis mode.
华尔街现红色警报 Wall Street on red alert.
贝尔斯登受影响破产 Bear Stearns has effectively gone under.
美国历史上最大规模的破产 The largest bankruptcy in US history.
-史无前例 -这次事件 - Unprecedented. - This is really shaking the foundation of Wall Street.
严重撼动华尔街的地位
数不清的钱 还有数不清的工作 A lot of money and a lot of jobs.
美国经济面临前所未有的挑战 America's economy is facing unprecedented challenges.
股票市场遭受毁灭性打击 All of this taking a devastating toll on stocks.
遭遇最大百分比跌损 Single biggest point drop ever.
2008年10月 佛罗里达棕榈滩
很抱歉打扰你 Frank: I'm sorry to bother you.
我刚刚又接到一个电话 你肯定喜欢 I just got another call you're gonna fucking love.
-说吧 -梅迪西银行 - Yeah, go ahead. - Bank Medici's
要撤回4亿5千万 伯尼 pulling out 450 million, Bern.
斯坦利·查尔斯一整年都从我们这儿取钱 Stanley Chais has been draining us all goddamn year,
这还没有算上费尔菲尔德取出的资金 and this is on top of Fairfield's withdrawals.
我他妈几十年都在为这些混蛋跑东跑西 I delivered for these fucking people for fucking decades
现在他们却给我玩"逃跑游戏" and now they're all running for the fucking hills.
伯尼 我们不能再受到资金撤回的重创了 Bern, we can't keep getting hit with these redemptions.
我们需要想办法让他们留下来 We gotta find a way to conserve.
我建议降低收益 I think we should lower the returns.
你在开玩笑吗? 这会造成更大的恐慌 Are you kidding? That'll cause a bigger panic.
那些贪婪的混蛋 全部都会撤回的 不能这么做 They'll all pull out, the greedy fucks. We can't do that.
那就想想办法啊 Well, we gotta do something.
我们现在的处境非常纠结 We're treading water like a fucking paraplegic here.
-我只是想说... -等一下 我把这个智障打发走再说 - Man: I was just saying... - Hold on, let me get rid of this idiot.
华尔街最大的笑话就是 伯尼就像犹太人的短期国库债券 ...the joke on the street is that Bernie's like the Jewish T-bill.
真好笑 我在打电话呢 - Very funny. I'm on the phone. I'm on the phone. - He's that safe.
-我在打电话 -他就是这么可靠
我现在没空 I'm on the phone.
我晚点再介绍你们认识 I'll introduce you guys later.
他会很喜欢你的 He's gonna love you.
想想办法 看能不能填补费尔菲尔德的空缺 See if you can rattle Fairfield's cage.
与此同时 我倒想到几个好点子 In the meantime, I've got a few ideas.
-费尔菲尔德? -没错 - Fairfield? - Yeah.
没问题 All right.
-嗯 很不错 -但是不能穿浴袍 - Ruth: Uh-huh. Nice, nice. - Man: Not in a bathing suit.
我也是 Me neither.
-嘿 -嘿 孩子 - Hey. - Hey, kid.
我听说你在城里那个 I heard you're the one who hustled
乱糟糟的办公室里 把所有的低价股都骗进来了 those penny stocks in that shitty office you had downtown.
没错 说的就是我 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's me.
你能相信我都认识这个人50年了吗? Can you believe I've known this man for 50 years?
卡尔 我有话要跟你说 Carl, listen, I wanna tell you something.
现在不行 Not now.
市场里现在有一些非常不错的机会 There are some real opportunities in the market right now
我想跟你分享一下 and I wanna make you aware of them.
-我现在不想听 伯尼 -我知道 - Not now, Bernie. - I know, I know.
-现在不行 -如果不是非常非常重要的信息 - Not now. - I know. I wouldn't tell you about them
我也不会来找你了 明白吗? unless they were really, really important, okay?
我不想你以后因为错失这样的机会 而责怪我 I don't want you mad at me you missed out.
好吧 All right.
你还想让我投多少钱? How much do you want me to put in?
2亿5千万 250.
-除开我已经投进来的3亿 你还要我投这么多? -是的 - On top of the 300 million I already have with you? - Yes.
现在市场有这么混乱? The market in shambles?
股市正在暴跌 所以恰巧可以抓住这个机会 It's plummeting, but now is the time to take advantage.
我对你已经够坦荡了 - I'm so exposed... - That's exactly why I'm proposing this to you.
正是如此 我才会把这个消息跟你分享啊
如果再慷慨解囊 可能就会因为猥亵罪被逮捕了 ...I'm afraid I'll be arrested for public indecency.
这件事我不是每个人都告诉的 Oh, I'm not doing it with everybody.
-只有少数几个人 -行了 别说了 - It's just a few people. - All right, all right. Enough.
-你像我的家人一样 -这么说吧 - Okay, and you are family. - I'll tell you.
我会好好考虑的 Listen, I'll think about it.
-好吧 -好吗? - Okay. - Okay?
但别考虑太久 But don't take too long.
我是很认真的 别拖太久 In all seriousness, don't take too long.
拜托你别拖太久 Please don't take too long.
-卡尔... -我说了 我会考虑的 - Carl-- - I said it. I will think about it.
-对话结束 -好的 我尊重你的选择 - Period. - I live you, I respect that.
非常感谢 Thank you very much.
该死的有钱人 都是些寄生虫 Fucking rich people. Parasites.
某人有点小情绪了 You're in a mood.
( cell phone ringing )
我得接个电话 I gotta take this.
我刚跟金格的那个混蛋 Frank: Well, I just got off the phone
通过电话 with that cocksucker at Kingate.
他要撤回2亿6千万的资金 He's pulling out 260 million.
这些蠢货真的就不明白 Do these fucking people not understand
价差执行转换套利 是怎么操作的吗? how a fucking split-strike works?
他们真的这么蠢? - Do they not understand? - Hold on, I got Fairfield calling me back.
等一下 费尔菲尔德的人回电话了
等等 Hold on.
你好? Yeah?
嘿 我叫里克·贾维斯 Hey, Rick Jarvis.
我们几个月前在俱乐部见过 当时所罗曼也在 We met at the club a few months back with Solomon.
既然互相介绍过了 我就直入正题了 Well, look, while I got your attention,
我刚退出了一家私人的股权企业 拿到一笔5位数的报酬 I just exited this private equity venture with a five X return.
我想找个地方投资 让这笔钱能在这个季度开始滚利 I'm looking to put that money to work right away this quarter.
很遗憾 这不可能了 Well, unfortunately, that's not possible.
我还没告诉你有多少钱呢 I haven't told you how much.
-钱不是最重要的 -我有1亿 - Well, it really doesn't matter. - $100 million.
抱歉 不过这个季度的基金 ( sighs ) I'm sorry, but the fund
已经全部被订完了 is fully subscribed for the quarter.
-市场这么不景气的情况下? -我的客户知道如何高枕无忧 - Even in this market? - My clients know not to worry.
我也知道如何不让他们吃亏 I know how to avoid the pitfalls.
这个季度 我一定要投资 Okay, I want in this quarter, all right?
不管你有哪些条件 我都满足你 Whatever restrictions you wanna put on it,
我这笔钱是打算长期交由你保管的 you know, I'll park this money with you for a long time.
这跟钱真的没关系 你是要我抛弃和客户的合作关系 It's not about the money. It's about pushing clients aside.
这我做不来 我必须牺牲掉某个客户 I can't do that. I have to sacrifice someone,
一个忠诚的客户 这样才能满足你的需求 a loyal client to me, in order to accommodate you.
除非你有特别好的理由... Unless it's really, really worth it--
我说的可是给你整整 I am talking about giving you
1亿美金 $100 million.
这个数目 我很难办到 That's, uh, not gonna do it.
那你有什么条件? So what's it gonna take?
我必须按职业道德办事 I have to do what's ethical.
-我不能让你插队 -如果你同意 我就给你1亿5千万 - I can't let you jump the line. - I'll go 150 if you let me.
-我很想帮你 但是不行 -1亿7千5百万 - Love to help you, but I can't. - 175.
名额已满 Fully subscribed.
-2亿 -爱莫能助 - 200. - I wish I could.
我想想... 还是不行 I'm just thinking if I-- no.
2亿2千5百万? 225?
2亿5千万? 250.
2亿7千5百万? 275.
3亿 $300 million.
你想要什么价? 直接告诉我吧 How far do we gotta go? Just tell me.
如果超过4亿 那就可以考虑一下 If you go above four, we might have something.
4亿 400.
这我能办到 I can do that.
合作愉快 We got a deal.
( cell phone rings )
我得接个电话 I gotta take this phone call.
什么事? Yeah?
我不知道刚刚跟我说话的人是谁 I don't know who the fuck I was just talking with,
不过如果他退股 but if this guy checks out, we just picked up a good piece of change.
就会马上入资我们
现在的乱子有点多 Well, the shit is definitely hitting the fucking fan.
费尔菲尔德郡和格林尼治市的人现在在线上 I got Fairfield-Greenwich on the line.
-要我把你电话接过去吗? -好的 - You want me to patch you in? - Go ahead.
嘿 伯尼 你现在说话方便吗? Man: Hey, Bernie. We catching you at a bad time?
我现在背部疼得要命 你说呢 You tell me. I got a back spasm that's fucking killing me.
-伯尼 伯尼 -什么事? - Man #2: Bernie. Bernie. - What's going on?
-能耽误你一分钟吗? -不行 - Can I just get one minute? - Not--
我只要一分钟 帮你们介绍一下 Just one minute to introduce you.
-现在不方便 -就一分钟! - I can't talk. - Just one minute!
-你继续 -听着 伯尼 - Yeah? - Man: Look, Bern,
你的基金现在算是 唯一一个没遭受重大亏损的了 you're basically the only fund that hasn't gotten hammered.
你的客户只能去你那儿 在不经受巨额亏损的情况下 You're the one place clients can turn to for liquidity
申请资产折现了 without taking huge losses.
这就是胜利者的诅咒 ( chuckles ) It's the winner's curse.
怎么 我还要因为你刚从我这儿 What-- what, am I supposed to be flattered
折现了15亿 而感到荣幸? that you just cashed out a billion and a half dollars?
你不能再继续撤销资金出去了 You gotta put a stop to these redemptions
因为你要知道 一旦你把钱拿出去留出空位 because if you don't, just know there's plenty of money out there
就会有很多人愿意顶替你的位置 that would love to take your place.
-这算是威胁吗? -你爱怎么想怎么想 - Is that a threat? - You can take it any way you like.
看看你啊 一脸愁容 穿得倒是西装革履 Look at you all dressed up and no place to die.
-你好 杰弗里 -伯尼 你没必要紧张 - Hello, Jeffry. - Come on, Bernie, there's no need for stress.
我又没把钱撤出来 I haven't made many withdrawals.
不过 这个问题或许我们该讨论讨论了 是吧? Although, that's probably something we should discuss, hmm?
杰弗里 我现在倒是知道一些很好的机会 I did wanna tell you that there are some real opportunities
如果你感兴趣 我可以跟你分享分享 in the market right now if you're interested, Jeffry.
-嗯 -意下如何? - Hmm. - What do you think?
-我们应该说说... -马多夫夫人! - We should be talking-- - Mrs. Madoff!
-皮考尔先生 -你丈夫看起来脸色不大好 - Mr. Picower. - Your husband doesn't look well.
你该多关心关心他 You should attend to him, hmm?
你没事吧? You okay?
那个皮考尔是怎么回事? What's wrong with him, Picower?
真是又老又奇怪 He's one strange, sicko fuck.
对了 我妹妹 Oh, by the way, my sister,
她很担心最近的经济情况 she's worried about the economy
所以打算把她剩下的积蓄 and she was thinking about investing
都来你这儿投资 the rest of her savings with you.
-可以吗? -没问题 - Would that be okay? - Yeah, sure.
( music continues )
( horn honks )
2008年11月 纽约
沃特 我这里不是货币市场资金 你明白吗? Walter, I'm not a fucking money market fund, do you understand?
如果你继续从我这里取钱 If you don't stop these withdrawals
而且月底前不把之前的钱补上 and replace the money before the end of the month,
我就不跟你合作了! then I'm gonna cut you off!
我会把整个费尔菲尔德的账户全部关闭掉! I'm gonna close the whole fucking Fairfield account!
没错! Yes!
听明白了吗?! Do you hear me?!
( faint chatter )
( dishes clattering )
该死 什么鬼... Oh, shit. What the...?
( chatter continues )
-我不喜欢 -你明明很喜欢 - Ruth: I hated that. No, I didn't! - Mark: You loved it.
-你出来之后 说了一句 不要撒谎 -我才没有! - You came out of there, you said-- don't lie. - Oh, I did not!
-你真爱编故事 -你才是 - You're such a liar. - You're a liar.
亲爱的 那个会不会太生了? Sweetheart, is that a little bit too rare?
没事 很好吃 Girl: This is good.
-你没事吧? -没事 - Everything all right? - Bernie: Yeah.
你是把行李拖进卧室的吗? Did you wheel your luggage into the bedroom?
-什么? -你是不是把行李拖进卧室的? - Why? - Did you wheel your luggage into the bedroom?
反正我肯定不是从窗户扔进去的 Well, I certainly didn't bring it in through the window.
但是你把门口的墙壁弄脏了 But you smudged the wall by the door.
你的拖轮箱磨到那个地方了 You scuffed it with your roller bag.
我有好多事要忙 还得给这群小吃货弄饭 所以有点急了 Well, string me up and feed me to the dogs.
抱歉我把墙壁磨脏了 伯尼 I'm sorry I scuffed a wall, Bernie.
艾米丽刚刚在问华尔街的事情 爸爸 Andy: Emily, was just asking about Wall Street, Dad.
是啊 Yeah,
爷爷 华尔街怎么样? how is Wall Street, Papa?
她正在为工商管理学硕士做准备 She's working on her MBA.
爸爸 马多夫证券公司未来的老板 Dad, future head of Madoff Securities.
没错 你们几个可得小心了 Ruth: That's right. Watch out, guys.
我问你华尔街怎么样 爷爷? I asked how's Wall Street, Papa?
华尔街挺不错的 Wall Street is good.
爸爸说华尔街最近的情况不怎么样 Dad says things are bad at Wall Street.
只有你爸爸这么认为 其实情况挺好的 Well, Dad told you that, but things are fine.
为什么情况不好? Why are they bad?
我刚刚是怎么说的了? What did I just say?
我问了一个问题 为什么情况不好? Emily: I asked a question. Why is it bad?
我说过了 情况没有不好 I told you they're not bad.
你为什么不好好吃你的饭呢? Why don't you just eat?
如果情况很好 那为什么其他人要称之为"突然崩溃"? Well, if it's not bad, why do they call it a meltdown?
-那你来告诉我如何? -我怎么可能知道? - Why don't you tell me? - How am I supposed to know?
-所以我才问你呀 -你有读过《巴伦周刊》吗? - That's why I'm asking you. - Do you read "Barron's," huh?
你有读过《华尔街日报》吗? Do you read the "Wall Street Journal"?
-那你说给我听听? -这个问题是我问的 - Why don't you tell me? - I just asked a question.
你是我孙女 而且你只是个8岁的小毛孩 You are my granddaughter and you're an eight-year-old
你不应该问我这种问题 and you shouldn't be asking me questions like that.
-我不想回答你关于华尔街的事情 -嘿 爸爸 - I don't feel like talking about Wall Street. - Andy: Hey, Dad.
-我不想谈 -爸爸 - I don't feel like-- be talking about Wall Street. - Dad.
-我只是来跟家人一起吃个晚饭的 -别说了 - I'm here having dinner with my family. - That's enough.
伯尼 你到底怎么了? 她只是好奇而已 Ruth: Bernie, what's wrong with you? She's just curious.
因为她根本就不知道自己在说些什么 Because she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about.
她才8岁 我才不要接受她的质问 She's eight years old. I gotta get grilled by this kid.
-你为什么这么刻薄? -我他妈还有好多华尔街的事 - Why are you being so mean? - I got so many other goddamn things
要处理 要关心 I'm worried about on Wall Street
这个小屁孩却跑过来问我 华尔街怎么样! and this kid's asking me about how Wall Street is!
-闭嘴吃你的饭吧! -爸爸 - Shut up and eat your food! - Andy: Dad!
没事了 亲爱的 伯尼 别说了! It's okay, sweetheart. Bernie, stop it!
你有什么毛病? - ( sobbing ) - What's wrong with you?
现在你来唱白脸了 Now you're playing the good guy.
-亲爱的 没事了 -跟她站在一边 - Honey, it's okay, it's okay. - Taking her side.
-她只是好奇而已 -现在我吃不下了 - She's just curious. - Now I can't eat.
-没事 没事 -她才8岁 - It's okay, it's okay. - She's an eight-year-old kid.
你到底怎么了? What's the matter with you?
你只是太聪明了 - ( Emily whimpering ) - Ruth: You're just too smart.
没事了 Ruth: It's okay.
你之前为什么这么冲动 I wanna know why you're acting this way.
市场现在腥风血雨的 The fucking market is a bloodbath.
-啊! 真该死 -嘿 嘿 嘿 - Ah! God damn it. - Hey, hey, hey, hey.
别着急 爸爸 Take it ea-- Dad.
该死的玩意 Fucking thing.
出什么事了? 你还好吗? What's going on? Are you all right?
我前不久开始吃这些降血压的药 I started these blood pressure pills.
有点头晕 Makes me dizzy.
-或许你应该隔几天再吃 -不行 - Maybe you should take a couple days off. - No, I can't.
我早上一起床就得去办公室 I have to be at the office first thing in the morning.
-要去见家得宝的创始人 -重新安排吧 - Founder of Home Depot. - Reschedule.
-你知道... -这个该死的东西 - You know-- - This fucking thing.
如果你能相信我 If you ever trusted me
去跟这些顾问打交道 to help you with the advisory,
我可以帮你分担很多事务的 you know, I could handle this kind of thing for you.
这是我该关心的事 不是你的 It's my business, not yours.
如果你去世之后怎么办? Well, what happens when you're gone?
我现在不想谈这个问题 - I'm not having this discussion with you. - It's a legitimate question.
这是个合法的问题
-我现在不想跟你讨论这件事 -你会怎么办 爸爸? - I'm not having this discussion with you. - What is it, Dad?
告诉我 怎么办? Tell me. What is it?
意思是我不合格吗? Is it that I'm not cut out?
-你没听到我刚刚说什么吗? -您实话跟我说吧 - Are you not listening? - Just be honest with me.
-告诉我吧 -你难道没看到我每天都在处理些什么 - Just tell me. - Do you not see what I have to deal with,
每天都在跟些什么烂摊子打交道吗? the shit that I have to go through on a daily basis?
所以啊... 这就是我想说的 No, that's why-- that's my point.
还有那些该死的混蛋给我出的难题? The fucking shit that they put me through?
以及他们想看到我出丑? That they're trying to fuck me all the time?
想从我手里骗钱? 你觉得你能处理好这些吗? Steal from me? Do you think you can do that?
你觉得自己能够胜任吗? Do you think you can deal with that?
-我觉得我能行 -可我不这么觉得 - Yes, I can. - I don't think you can deal with it.
纯属扯淡 Bullshit. I don't think so.
你不能消化好这些 你没这个天赋 You can't stomach that stuff. That's not in you.
安迪或许可以 但你不行 Andy, maybe, but not you.
什么? What?
等等 你刚刚说什么? Wait, what are you saying?
你是说安迪... Are you saying that Andy--
你想说什么? what are you saying?
安迪比我更能胜任现在的工作? Andy's better at his job than I am?
-马克 -我每天都有去那个该死的办公室上班 - Mark. - I go to that fucking office every single day.
跟他做的事情一模一样 I do the same thing that he does.
我他妈给了你一个业务去运作 I gave you a fucking business to run.
这样你还不满意? Are you not happy with that?
这还不够好? Was that not good enough for you?
我当然已经很满意了 爸爸 It is definitely good enough for me, Dad.
-我只是想... -那就他妈的别这么多怨言 - I'm just trying-- - Well, then shut the fuck up
稍微表现出一点感激之情吧 and give me a little fucking gratitude.
说一句 "谢谢你 爸爸" 难道就这么难? Say, "I'm-- thanks, Dad." Can't you do that?
怎么 你以为这个世界上的人都欠你? What, do you think the whole fucking world owes you something?
这个世界他妈的什么都不欠你 The whole fucking world owes you nothing.
你必须通过自己努力去争取 我一直也是跟你妈妈这么说的 You gotta work for it, and I always say this with your mother.
这就是出生在有钱人家的问题 需要不断地去教育 This is the problem with having money, an education.
很多东西不是伸手便取的 Nothing is earned.
而是需要你通过努力 自己争取得到的 You want something, you gotta fucking work for it.
你觉得我没有努力? What, you don't think I have?
对你而言 就像是安装洒水器 For you, it was installing sprinklers.
对我而言 就像是请建筑工人开沟挖渠 For me, it was digging ditches on a construction crew.
如果没有类似的经验 I never would have started Home Depot if I hadn't had that experience.
我也不会开创家得乐
肯 我很尊重你的时间 Ken, I wanna be respectful of your time,
所以打算直入正题 so I'm gonna get right to it.
我开始了一个非常高端的基金项目 I'm starting a new highly exclusive fund.
只需要5个投资人 It's gonna have just five investors.
还是运用目前一直使用的 Same split-strike conversion strategy
价差执行转换套利策略 that's performed so consistently.
但是 很明显 But, frankly,
这个基金可以带来更高的收益 this fund's gonna have even higher returns.
唯一的问题就是 The only thing is that it relies
它非常依赖现在的市场波幅 on the market volatility that we're seeing now,
所以我需要把筹集到的钱 马上投入进去 so I gotta put the money together right away.
你现在的基金已经运作了很久了 对吧? Your current fund's been running for a while, hasn't it?
对 几十年了 It has. Decades.
每年都有双倍的收益 Double digit returns every year.
这个新基金你能保证有更高的收益吗? And you're promising even better returns for the new fund?
这是一个非常难得的机会 肯 It's a unique opportunity, Ken.
嗯哼 Uh-huh.
只有一个问题让我有所顾虑 So I'm asking myself only one question.
如果我是和你长期合作的客户 What if I'm a longtime client of yours
我要是听说有这么好的机会 and, uh, how would I feel
却被新客户抢走了 我会怎么想? getting shafted for new customers?
我当然还有很多其他的客户 还有其他的基金 There are other people that I do other funds with,
不过这个项目我不想让他们参加 因为他们没有... but I don't wanna include them in this because they're not--
-喔 等一下 -他们不是... - Whoa, whoa, wait a second. - they're not the ones--
等一下 我有点弄不明白了 Okay, just a second. I'm a little confused.
你有这样的基金 有那样的基金 You got this fund, you got that fund,
还有和你长期合作的客户 you got people who are long-term customers and you're not gonna...
但是你却不愿意把这个项目分享给他们...
因为他们已经投资了很好的项目了 Those people are already taken care of.
我们跟他们有其他的合作基金 We have-- we have other funds with them.
伯尼 我不知道你到底想表达些什么 Bernie, I don't-- I don't know what you're trying to say.
-其实... -我很困惑 - Well-- - I'm confused.
你要在其他客户不知情的情况下 为新基金筹集资金? The new fund is getting money before the other people?
我不是这个意思 - That's not what I'm saying. - That's exactly what you're saying.
你就是这个意思
我想说的不是这个 我为他们都考虑好了的 I'm not saying that. They are taken care of.
给他们安排了其他的项目 I have other arrangements with them.
这里面感觉有些不干净 Something is not kosher here.
-有问题 -绝对干净 - Something. - No, it's all kosher.
我觉得一点都不干净 完全是胡说八道 I think it's not kosher. I think it's total bullshit.
这就是我的想法 That's what I think.
我感觉很有问题 It's hitting me the wrong way.
绝对有问题 Something is wrong here.
而且你满嘴胡话 I think you're full of shit, that's what I think.
我要赶紧离开这里 I'm getting the hell out of here.
( machine beeps, whirs )
那家伙入伙吗? Is that guy in?
你在开玩笑吗 You're kidding me.
好吧 除了梅迪西 金格 All right, well, between Medici, Kingate,
还有该死的西班牙人 and the fucking Spaniards,
这里最少也得有10亿5千万了 that's minus 1.5 billion right there.
感谢费尔菲尔德 到11月可以只会剩下9亿8千万 Thanks to Fairfield, we're down 980 in November
到12月 最少可能能达到5亿8千万 and we're looking at at least minus 580 in December, Bern.
不过市场应该会回暖的 We write that fucking check, it's gonna bounce.
我们还剩下3亿 We got 300 million left.
你打算怎么办? What do you wanna do?
嘿 卡尔 我有个好消息 Hey, Carl, this is great news.
有个好消息要告诉你 I just want you to know it's great news.
-好的 保重 -好的 没问题 - All right, take care. - Okay, of course, of course.
-那好 晚点再聊 -就这样 - Great. Okay, talk soon. - That's it.
-谢谢 -好的 - Thank you. - Okay.
他入资2亿5千万 He's in for 250.
好吧 总比没有好 All right. That's not nothin'.
不过还是不够 No, but it's not enough.
绝对不够 No, it's definitely not enough.
棕搁滩的那个笨蛋怎么样? What about that schmuck from Palm Beach?
不行 那个家伙一出现 Oh, no, no, no, it was, like,
就会问各种各样的问题 20 fucking questions with that guy.
比如他想知道 我们的控制器 He wanted to know why our controller
为什么是设置在百慕大的 was based in Bermuda.
为什么我们的审计员只有一个人 Why our auditor was a one-man operation
而且是在纽约北部的零售商场工作的 working out of a strip mall in upstate New York.
那家伙事儿太多了 It was a whole fucking thing with that guy.
我知道这次谈话可能会很不容易 Andy: It's not an easy conversation.
我已经把这边的准备工作都做好了 Catherine: I've already laid the groundwork for this.
你可以不用去那边的办公室了 You're hardly in the office anymore.
我想说的是... I think what I say is that--
安德鲁 亲爱的 Andrew, sweetheart,
你不用为他 出卖自己的梦想 you don't have to sell him on a decision
或者动摇自己的决心 that you're making for yourself.
-你的想法才是最重要的 -我知道 - This is about you. - I know, I know.
但我知道他肯定会很失望的 这才是最难的部分 It's just hard because I know he's gonna be disappointed.
但我不会 Well, I'm not.
我很为你骄傲 I am very proud of you.
谢谢 Thanks.
好了 我们回家见吧 Andy's voice: Okay, I'll see you when I get home.
我爱你 I love you.
爸爸? - Dad? - ( vacuum humming )
你没事吧? 出什么事了? You okay? What's wrong?
背部痉挛而已 越来越痛了 Oh, fucking back spasms. It's all seized up.
只有这个姿势 才会感觉没那么疼 This is the only position that doesn't kill.
抱歉 要不要我给你拿药? I'm sorry. Can I get you something?
我已经吃了好多了 I already took a bunch of pills.
-你有事吗? -没什么事 - What's up? - Uh, nothing.
-晚点再谈吧 -你到底有什么事? - We can talk later. - Look, what do you need?
算了吧 No, forget it.
快说吧 Well, fucking spit it out.
其实我有件事想跟说 Well, I wanna talk to you about a few things.
那就快点说 Then spit it out. Come on.
其实 我... Well-- well, look...
我想换个工作 I'm thinking about taking office space somewhere else.
你是想离开这个行业? You're thinking about leaving the business?
我已经准备好自己出去打拼了 I'm ready to strike out on my own.
我只是担心交给你处理的那部分生意 And here I was worried about the business I handed you.
我有自己的职业目标 Look, I have professional goals of my own.
我也希望有一天能开自己的公司 And I'd like to run my own company someday
很明显这个目标 在这里是实现不了的 and it's obviously not happening here anytime soon.
你真他妈自私 安德鲁 You're pretty fucking selfish, Andrew.
你真不要脸 You got some fucking nerve.
我在这里工作了好久 却合作伙伴的头衔都没有 I've worked here forever and I'm still not a partner.
招牌上写的都是你自己的名字 It's your name on the doors, as you love to say.
你可能察觉不到你现在的表现有多自私 You obviously can't see how selfish you're being right now.
我问你件事情 你知道有人出多少价 Let me ask you something, do you know what kind of offers
想买这家公司吗? I've gotten to sell this firm?
-知道吗? -不知道 - Do you? - No, I don't.
前不久高曼的人出价十亿 The last one was from Goldman for a billion dollars.
什么? 那你为什么不卖? What? Why didn't you take it?
因为我不想卖 Because I didn't wanna take it.
其实我比任何人都想接受这个价码 I need it like I need a fucking hole in the head.
可是我不想卖的最主要的原因 And the main reason I didn't take it
是因为你们两个 is because of you boys, that's why.
因为有一天 我希望把公司交给你们 Because one day, I want this to be yours
让你们的名字也能写在招牌上 with your name on the door.
不然你以为我为什么不卖? I mean, why else would you think I'd do it?
不用客气 You're welcome.
-不用客气 -我听到了 - You're welcome. - Yeah, I heard you.
( reporters clamoring )
伯尼 你妻子知道多少内幕? Reporter: Bernie, how far-- does your wife know?
伯尼 你妻子知情吗? Bernie, does your wife know?
据知情人士透露给 Reporter #2: People familiar with the case
CBS新闻的信息称 联邦调查局的探员们 tell CBS News federal investigators
在马多夫的公司里揭破了 are ripping apart 20 years of fraud
长达20年的骗局 inside Madoff's firm,
除开对伯尼的调查 moving beyond Bernie,
还有对其儿子 安德鲁和马克 looking at sons Andrew and Mark
他们二人管理公司的商业活动 who directed trading activities,
还有其弟弟皮特 and brother Peter, the company's
公司的首席合规官的调查 chief compliance officer.
但他们三人都因为没有违法行为 而没有被起诉 None have been charged with any wrongdoing.
现在 伯尼·马多夫 So, now as Bernie Madoff prepares
-正准备享受他最后一晚的安宁... -嘿 - for what may be his last night of comfort in... - Hey.
怎么了? What is it?
可能纯粹是浪费时间吧 I don't know, maybe it's a waste of time,
不过我还是想写点东西 but I thought that I would try to write.
写什么? - Write what? - ( chuckles )
一本书吧 I don't know, a book.
这可能听起来很蠢 Ah, it sounds stupid.
不 一点也不蠢 No, it doesn't sound stupid.
可能写得不是很好 不过我... It may not be any good, but I-- I, um--
只完成了开头 this is just the opening.
你想听吗? Do you wanna hear it?
当然想 Yeah, I'd love to hear it.
"直到2008年10月10日截止" "Up until December 10th, 2008,
"我全部的人生都是在对父亲的" I spent the entirety of my life
"敬畏下度过的" in awe of my father.
"每一次成功" I judged every accomplishment,
"每一次失败 不论是职业上的还是生活中的" every failure, professionally or personally,
"只要与他的生活相违背 我就反思自己" against the life he lived.
"他的认可成为我唯一的追求" His approval meant everything,
"或许追求得过了头" maybe too much,
"从我记事开始" and for as long as I can remember,
"我就想尽办法 努力工作 为的就是让他骄傲" I worked as hard as I could to make him proud.
"然而有一天" And then one day,
"我发现自己的父亲 跟我想象中是不一样的" I found out that my father was not the man I thought.
"他是一个罪犯 一个我不尊敬的人" He was a criminal, a man I didn't respect.
"然而这个人 也就是我父亲" And yet this man, my father,
"还是那个教我明辨是非" is the same man who taught me right from wrong,
"教我如何成为一个公正 正派 诚实的人" taught me to be fair and decent and honest,
"教会我角色的重要性" taught me about the importance of character,
"教会我如何当一个好丈夫" what it means to be a husband,
"还有最重要的 如何当一个好爸爸的人" and, most importantly, how to be a father.
"我是伯尼·马多夫的儿子" I am the son of Bernie Madoff.
"我曾想我可能永远也无法摆脱这个头衔了" I used to think that I could never escape that.
"现在我确定自己摆脱不了了" Now I'm certain I won't.
"那些与他最亲密的人" Why is it so hard to believe
"其实最难识出他是罪犯这种说法 怎么就这么难令人相信?" that those closest to him wouldn't see him as a criminal?
"为什么一个儿子认为自己的父亲" Why is it so hard to believe that his son
"永远都不会错这种说法 这么难以令人信服?" would think his father could do no wrong?
"当我看着自己最小的儿子 尼克的时候" When I look at my youngest son, Nick,
"我很害怕有一天他长大 会问我" I fear the day when he's old enough to ask
"他的爷爷长什么样" what his grandfather was like.
"他是一个什么样的人?" What kind of man was he?
如果我告诉他 他是个恶魔 If I tell him he was evil,
那我该如何解释... how can I explain that I'm"...
( crying )
我该... ..."that I"...
你写的很好 马克 It's good, Mark.
真的很好 It's really good.
谢谢你 Yeah, I-- I don't know.
( helicopter blades whirring )
所以是有认罪协议吗? Catherine: So, is it a plea deal?
不 他只用认罪就行了 Martin: No. He's just pleading guilty.
所以 他只需要对每一项指控 Mark: So, he's just gonna plead guilty
认罪就完事了? to all the charges and that's it?
看起来是这样的 It looks that way.
-也就是说 不会开庭受审? -不会 - So there will be no trial? - No.
你们有看到报纸上关于我们的报道吗? Mark: Have you read what they're saying about us?
每一天他们都想要取我们的项上首级... Every fucking day they're calling for our head--
每家报纸 每个博客 都是如此 every paper, every blog.
如果不开庭受审 这些人怎么会知道 How are those people gonna know we're innocent
我们是无辜的? if there's no trial? How?!
-怎么能知道? -一旦他被关起来... - How? - The sooner he is locked up--
-胡说 -一切就结束了 - Bullshit. - This will be over.
结束不了 It's gonna fucking linger.
这些疑问 和对我们的质疑 都将保存 The questions, the suspicions,
那些狗仔也会在我们家门口埋伏... the fucking paparazzi camped out--
他们没有指控他合谋吗? Are they not charging him with conspiracy?
没有 No, he won't plead guilty to conspiracy.
马多夫先生 你会认罪吗? Reporter: Mr. Madoff, are you going to plead guilty?
他们应该指控这一条 并且开庭审判 Mark: They should charge him anyway and force a trial.
如果他们把爸爸送上审判席 会发生什么? Andy: If they took Dad to trial, what would happen?
你自己好好想想 马克 Just think about it, Mark.
你说的可是把全世界最富有 You're talking about putting the richest
最有权力的人 告上法庭 and most powerful people in the world up on that stand.
你说的可是摩根大通公司 You're talking about JP Morgan,
美国大通 汇丰银行 瑞士银行 Chase, HSBC, Swiss Banks.
你说的可是把世界的金融体系告上法庭 You're talking about the world's financial system on trial.
我虽然不是阴谋论者 Now, I'm not a conspiracy theorist,
不过相信我 这是不可能发生的 but trust me, that will never happen.
绝不可能 Ever.
所以 接受吧 So, no,
不会有开庭受审的 there won't be a trial.
公众也不会知道真相 The public won't know the truth.
我们只能自己保护自己了 And we'll be left to fend for ourselves.
我不明白 马克 Stephanie: I don't understand, Mark.
你想让爸爸开庭受审吗? Do you want a trial?
不想 No.
那你到底想要什么? Well, what do you want?
( scoffs )
我想要回原来的生活 I want my life back.
( phone ringing )
我们不在家 有事请留言 Stephanie's voice: We're not here. Leave a message.
又是妈妈 - ( machine beeps ) - Mom again.
嗨 又是我 Ruth: Hi, it's me again. ( sniffles )
你们的妈妈 Your mother.
我也不知道为什么还要打来 I don't know why I'm calling.
留这么多条留言 I feel like such a moron
祈求你们 我感觉自己 leaving all these messages,
像个智障一样 begging you.
我也不知道 I don't know.
我好想你们 I miss you.
想念斯蒂芬妮 想念奥黛丽 I miss Stephanie, I miss Audrey.
( sighs )
我也好久没见到小尼克了 I haven't even seen little Nick.
我连自己的外孙都见不上 I haven't even seen my grandson.
我该怎么办 马克? What am I supposed to do, Mark?
我也没有办法了 ( sighs ) I'm stuck.
我很抱歉 抱歉他所做的一切 I'm so sorry. I'm sorry for what he did.
我也不知道他是怎么想的 I don't know what he was thinking.
也不知道他为什么这么做 I can't even fathom it.
我只是不明白为什么你们这么恨我 I just don't understand why you're so angry at me.
我知道你们想让我离开他 I know you want me to leave him,
可我不能就这么抛弃他啊 but I can't just abandon him.
50年的婚姻 不是随随便便 How am I supposed to just walk out
就走得出去的 of a 50-year marriage?
他是我的一生 He's my lifetime.
是我全部的记忆 He's my whole, entire memory.
其他的事我不清楚 I don't know anything else.
不过我从没一个人生活过 I've never been on my own.
我没你俩勇敢 I'm not as brave as you two.
回我电话 Call me.
( machine beeps )
你要如何回应罪状一... Judge: How do you now plead to count one--
关于证券欺诈的指控 the charge of securities fraud,
有罪还是无罪? guilty or not guilty?
有罪 Guilty.
你要如何回应罪状二... How do you plead to count two--
关于投资咨询诈骗的指控 the charge of investment advisory fraud,
有罪还是无罪? guilty or not guilty?
有罪 Guilty.
你要如何回应罪状三... How do you now plead to count three--
关于邮件欺诈的指控? the charge of mail fraud?
有罪还是无罪? guilty or not guilty?
有罪 Guilty.
-你要如何回应罪状四... -有罪 - How do you now plead to count four? - Guilty.
-你要如何回应罪状五... -有罪 - How do you now plead to count five? - Guilty.
-你要如何回应罪状六... -有罪 - How do you now plead to count six? - Guilty.
-你要如何回应罪状七... -有罪 - How do you now plead to count seven? - Guilty.
-你要如何回应罪状八... -有罪 - How do you now plead to count eight? - Guilty.
-你要如何回应罪状九... -有罪 - How do you now plead to count nine? - Guilty.
( judge's voice fades )
有罪 Guilty.
随着马多夫先生的认罪 As Mr. Madoff has pled guilty,
他将不再拥有无罪推定的权利 he is no longer entitled to the presumption of innocence.
考虑到他的年纪 他有逃跑的动机 In light of his age, he has incentive to flee.
也有逃跑的能力 He has the means to flee
因此 保释被撤销 and thus, bail is revoked
被告将会被还押候审 and the defendant is remanded.
尊敬的法官大人 能否请你考虑一下 Your Honor, would Your Honor consider, respectfully,
给他一天时间... a stay so that we might appeal--
你的要求被驳回 Your request for a stay is denied.
马多夫先生 审判当天再见 Mr. Madoff, I will see you at sentencing.
-抱歉 伯尼 -现在休会 - Sorry, Bernie. - We are adjourned.
( gavel bangs )
曼哈顿改造监狱
如果要探望 Man: If you are visiting an inmate
最高警戒牢房的犯人 in the maximum security wing,
请在右边排成一列纵队 form a single-file line to your right.
停 Stop here.
钥匙 Keys.
( handcuffs clink )
转过身 Turn around.
腿张开 Open your legs.
我旁边的牢房里 关了一个恐怖分子 Bernie's voice: In the cell next to me, they got this terrorist.
是个酋长什么的 我记不得他名字 Some sheikh. I can't remember his name.
不过他住我旁边 总会记住的 But that's my neighbor. Go figure.
我不明白 他们为什么 Ruth's voice: I don't understand
要把你关进最高警戒的牢房里 why they put you in maximum security.
( door slams )
公寓里的东西都打包好了吗? Did you finish packing up the apartment?
反正也没剩下什么东西可以打包了 There's not much left to pack.
几乎所有东西都被他们收走了 They're taking everything.
他们有人竟然还对我说 They even said to me,
"请把你的内裤和睡衣交给我们" "We're gonna need your underwear and nightgowns."
-谁说的? -美国法警 - Who said that? - US Marshals.
他们要你的内裤干嘛? What would they want your underwear for?
卖掉啊 他们要开拍卖会什么的 They're gonna sell it. They're gonna auction it off.
真是不可思议 It's unbelievable.
这些人就没点下限可言 Nothing is off-limits to these people.
我连想都懒得去想 I don't even like to think about it.
太让人冒冷汗了 It's so spooky.
你跟孩子们说过话吗? Have you spoken to the boys?
除了我妹妹 No one speaks to me
现在没人跟我说话 except my sister.
琼甚至还提出 让我搬过去博卡跟她一起住 Joan even offered to let me come stay with her in Boca.
-她好歹是你妹妹啊 -是啊 我知道 - Well, she's your sister. - Yeah, I know,
但是考虑到她和鲍勃因为你... but considering she and Bob lost everything they had...
已经倾家荡产了 It was all with you.
所以我很在意 I mean, it meant a lot to me.
是啊 真是不幸 Yeah, that was unfortunate.
所以我才会申请给我几天自由的时间 That's why I was hoping to have those few extra days
可以确保所有人都能安置好 to make sure everyone was taken care of.
我感觉自己就像个笨蛋一样 I just feel like such a total putz.
当你不知道发生了什么时 I-- I mean, when you don't know what's going on,
你都不知道该怎么跟其他人解释 you don't even know what to say.
我该怎么解释考麦德证券公司撤资的事? I mean, how am I supposed to explain the Cohmad withdrawals?
你让我把钱从一个账号 You asked me to transfer money
转到另一个账号上 from one account to another.
我照做了 可几个小时后 I do it and a few hours later,
你却告诉我 这一切都是庞氏骗局 you tell me it's all a Ponzi scheme.
我脑袋里有好多问题 All these questions
但是根本找不到答案 伯尼 and I don't have any answers, Bernie.
即使你提前告知我 Even if you had told me,
我也不知道会不会检举你 I'm not sure I would've turned you in.
我不知道为什么会有这种想法 I don't know what that says about me.
这就是可悲之处吧 That's the tragedy of it.
马多夫先生 你害怕会失去自己的家吗? Reporter: Mr. Madoff, are you scared you're gonna lose your home?
马多夫先生 你有什么话要对那些... Mr. Madoff, what do you have to say to all of the people...
-请走开 -你到底有什么毛病? - Please go away. - Stephanie: What the hell is wrong with you?!
请不要来烦我们 - Please leave us alone. - Stephanie: Can you put the camera down?
你能把摄像机放下吗?
你觉得有负罪感吗? Do you feel guilty?
有悔恨感吗? - Do you feel remorseful? - ( dog barks )
你害怕吗? You feeling like you're scared?
觉得自己有责任吗? Do you feel any responsibility?
你究竟想干什么? What the hell is wrong with you?!
什么人才会追着一家人不肯松手啊? What kind of person chases a family?
你没权力 碰我的私人财产... You don't have any right to touch my personal--
-我可以因为你推我 而起诉你 -去死吧! 想起诉我的人多了 - I could sue you for shoving me. - Oh, fuck you! Get in line.
你很享受吗? Do you enjoy this? Do you enjoy...
我不明白 马克 Stephanie: I don't get it, Mark.
-我不明白 -不明白什么? - I don't get it. - What's there to get?
你的第一直觉竟然是抛弃我们 我不明白 Your first instinct was to abandon us. I don't get that.
-我是在这里等你们 -你把他的婴儿车 - I was waiting for you here... - You left his stroller
扔在了马路中央 马克 in the middle of the street, Mark.
-明明是路边 -这不重要 - It was on the sidewalk. - It doesn't matter.
你把所有烂摊子都丢给我处理 You just left me to deal with everything.
你有意识到这有多不公平吗? Do you understand how unfair that is?
他们是来找我的 This is about me. They want me.
-跟你无关事 -这不是你一个人的事 - This isn't about you. - No, this is about all of us.
我已经厌倦了 你假装这一切跟我们无关的做法了 I-- I am sick and tired of you acting like it's not.
-你知道... -所以你想怎么办 史蒂芬妮? 离婚吗? - You know-- - So what do you want, Steph? You want a divorce?
表现出一点感恩之心就行 Just some acknowledgement.
( button clicks )
金融诈骗犯 Reporter on TV: Financial swindler Bernie Madoff is awaiting sentencing
伯尼·马多夫正在曼哈顿的改造监狱
等待审判 与此同时 侦查员也在努力调查 at the Manhattan Correctional Facility as investigators dig in
伯尼一案: 他的两个儿子知情吗? 他应该告诉他们吗?
那些和马多夫最亲近的人 他们的情况... to see if those who were closest to Madoff...
真是难以置信 Great. This is unbelievable.
这是有史有来最大规模的庞氏骗局 ...what has been called the largest Ponzi scheme ever.
整场诈骗案都是他一手操纵并实施的 与其他人无关 that he and only he perpetuated this crime.
每天马克都会寄给你一些文章 Catherine: Every day, Mark sends you articles,
那些他读到或看到 惹他生气的东西 things he's read, things that pissed him off.
这不公平 It's not fair.
不管是对你 还是对我 都是不公平的 It's not fair to you and it's not fair to me.
我同意 他现在太执着了 I agree. He's stuck.
不停地在博客上找这些东西来看 He keeps going in circles reading blog after blog.
这是很不健康的 It's unhealthy.
但你觉得我能怎么办 凯瑟琳? But what do you want me to do, Catherine?
稍微离他远点 Create a little distance.
如果他不是我唯一剩下的家人 Well, that'd be easier if he wasn't the only family member I have left.
那会容易很多
( door closes )
马克·马多夫和安德鲁·马多夫的 Reporter: Mark and Andrew Madoff's attorneys
代理律师声称 他们无罪 say they are guilty of no crimes,
这些搞信托基金的白人混蛋去死吧
不过当局及受害者 都表示不能接受这种说法... but authorities and victims are having trouble swallowing...
马多夫那两个溺爱的儿子应该被关起来
把两个儿子处死!
安德鲁·马多夫 Andrew fucking Madoff.
你最近还好吗 里德? How have you been, Reed?
你爸爸把所有人都骗了之后 Well, after your father fucked us all over,
我的生活变得很精彩 things have been fucking fantastic.
我去参加了很多工作的面试 Yeah, lots of job interviews.
当然没人愿意雇用我 No one willing to hire me, of course.
在马多夫证券公司工作了7年 我在圈内应该名声挺大的 Working at BLM for seven years, I guess I'm tainted.
我知道现在是非常时期 Well, I know it's been tough on all of us,
不过你是个很有实力的交易员 but you're a solid trader.
你应该很快就能找到工作的 You'll find a job in no time.
我还有很多问题 Yeah, I get a lot of questions.
特别是关于你的 你和马克的 Yeah, especially about you, you and Mark.
"所以他的儿子都知情 对吗?" "So the sons knew, right?
"他们也参与了的 这是肯定的" They were in on it. They had to be, right?"
里德 当我发现这件事的时候 我头都快炸了 Reed, when I found out, it was like my head exploded.
-我只是... -嘘 你听到了吗? - I just-- - Shh, you hear that?
-什么? -是世界上最小的小提琴 - What? - It's the world's tiniest violin
在演奏世界上最悲情的歌 playing the world's saddest fucking song.
我知道你现在很伤心... I understand you're upset--
那帮个忙可以吗? Yeah, well, how about making it right?
我在找我45万的奖金 'Cause I was looking at a $450,000 bonus.
很多交易员都没收到奖金 里德 A lot of traders were owed bonuses, Reed.
你不是唯一一个 我们都被骗了 You weren't the only one. We all got screwed.
我还以为你只在乎家人呢 I thought you were all about family.
你他妈当我是谁? 我不是你家人吗 安迪? Well, what the fuck am I? Am I not family, Andy?
他妈的钱在哪儿? Come on, where's the fucking money?
你们把钱藏哪儿去了? What'd you do with the money?
所有人都知道是你们私吞了 We all know you stole it.
这是当然的 因为你们是罪犯! Of course you took it. You're a criminal!
我也是受害者! I got fucked over, too!
被我自己的父亲! 我被我自己的父亲骗了! By my own father! My own father fucked me over!
那是你的婊子吗? 我看到你了 婊子 Yeah, is that your whore? I see you, whore!
-嘿! 你... -嘿! - Hey! You-- - Hey!
嘿! - Hey! - ( both grunting )
住手! 安迪 到车上来 Stop it! Andy, get in the car.
嘿! 天啊 快上车 Hey! Jesus, get in the car.
天啊 Jesus.
( engine starts )
-混蛋 嘿! -他妈的这是你的薯饼 - Asshole. Hey! - Here's your fucking latke,
-还有克尼什馅饼 -嘿! - knish or whatever, you fuck. - Hey!
去死吧! Fuck you!
我知道你是同谋! - I know you're in on it! - ( gears screech )
呃 Ugh. ( exhales)
( ticking )
问题是所有钱都去哪儿了? Morley Safer: The question is where did all the money go?
欧文·皮卡尔 法院指定的受托人 Irving Picard, the court-appointed trustee,
清算人 the liquidator,
正在努力寻找消失的数十亿美元 is searching for the billions that disappeared
并通过清理马多夫现存的资产 and trying to recover as much as possible
尽可能的弥补损失 from Madoff's remaining assets.
在所有知情人员当中 Of all the people that should've known,
他的弟弟还有儿子 his brother and his sons,
这些成天跟他在同一屋檐下工作的人 who worked under the same roof with him,
应该也名列其中 should've known.
-很多人都这么认为 -他们知情吗? - One would think so, yes. - Morley: Did they know?
我的看法是 他们是知情的 David Sheehan: My belief is, yes, they knew.
根据他们的个人交易情况 不难判断 Clearly, they would have to have known what was going on
他们肯定是知情的 - given their own personal transactions... - Mark: Oh, we should've known?
哦 我们肯定知情?
我们是搞造市的 We worked for market making.
他才是搞投资顾问的 He worked for IA.
这都可以扯上关系? - How would we have known? - Morley: If they turn out to be untouchable,
如果他们最后在刑法上 是不受惩罚的
那么你会不会依据民法让他们破产? criminally, do you intend to bankrupt them civilly?
不管他们有没有涉嫌犯罪 Irving: Whether or not they have a criminal problem,
我们都会尽我们所能去追问他们 we will pursue them as far as we can pursue them.
如果最后的导向 是让他们破产 And if that leads to bankrupting them,
那也在所不辞 then that's what will happen.
( watch ticking )
坐在审判室里的男人抢劫了我 Woman: The man sitting in this courtroom robbed me.
他如同路毙的动物般将我抛弃 He discarded me like roadkill.
当他的良知已如此不堪 竟然连埃利·维塞尔的钱 What can we possibly say good about Madoff
他也敢骗时 when he sank so low
我们还能对马多夫说出一句好话吗 as to steal from Elie Wiesel
难道维塞尔一生所经受的苦难还不够多吗 as if Wiesel hasn't already suffered enough in his lifetime.
我和我妻子不是百万富翁 My wife and I are not millionaires.
我们一辈子都在辛勤的工作 We worked hard for all our lives
而他夺走了我们所有的积蓄 and he took our entire life savings.
马多夫先生不仅诈骗了成千上万位投资者 Mr. Madoff not only defrauded thousands of investors,
他还精妙地掌握了操纵政府的艺术 he mastered the art of manipulating our government.
马多夫从我家骗走的钱 The money Madoff stole from my family
其实是专门存起来 照顾我弟弟用的 had been set aside to take care of my brother
因为他的下半辈子 because he's gonna need medical assistance for the rest of his life.
都需要医疗援助来维持生活
如果他想要保护自己的家人 If he's attempting to protect his family,
那他就不应该被给予这样的机会 he should not be given the opportunity
因为我们 也就是他的受害者 because we, his victims,
我们也想保护自己的家人 did not have the same opportunity
但却没能享受这样的机会 to protect our families.
你给你家人唯一的遗产就是耻辱 Man: You have left your family with a legacy of shame.
你的婚姻是在地狱里结合的 You have a marriage made in hell,
现在你也算故地重游了 and that is where you are going to return.
我只希望他判的刑足够长 Man #2: I only hope his prison sentence is long enough
长到他的牢房变成他的棺材 that his jail cell becomes his coffin.
愿上帝对你不要仁慈 Man: May God spare you no mercy.
我对一系列的苦难和痛苦 Bernie's voice: I am responsible
都负有责任 for a great deal of suffering and pain.
我知道 I understand that.
在意识到自己所造成的 I live in a tormented state
这些苦难和痛苦之后 now knowing of all the pain and suffering
我也陷入了极度痛苦的漩涡 that I have created.
这种感受 将会永远伴随我 That's something I will live with
以后的日子 for the rest of my life.
人们指控我只会保持沉默 People have accused me of being silent
而毫无怜悯之心 and not being sympathetic.
这是不对的 That is not true.
我向所有受害者道歉 I apologize to my victims.
现在我将转身过来面对你们 I will turn and face you.
对不起 I'm sorry.
虽然我知道已经来不及了 I know that doesn't help.
法官大人 Your Honor,
我说完了 thank you for listening.
我们必须了解到 Judge: The message must be sent
马多夫先生所犯下的罪行 that Mr. Madoff's crimes
是相当罪恶的 were extraordinarily evil.
这种毫不负责 肆意操纵系统的做法 This kind of irresponsible manipulation of the system
致使无数个受害者遭遇惨痛的损失 takes a staggering human toll.
马多夫先生一定会受到 Mr. Madoff will get what he deserves
相应的惩罚 and will be punished
根据他的道德罪责而定 according to his moral culpabilities.
马多夫先生 请站起来 Mr. Madoff, please stand.
我作为本庭法官 It is the judgment of this court
宣布被告 伯尼·马多夫 that the defendant, Bernard L. Madoff,
将被判处 shall be and hereby is sentenced
150年的有期徒刑 to a term of imprisonment of 150 years.
( people cheering )
( gavel banging )
-我们的钱怎么办 伯尼? -是啊! - What about our money, Bernie?! - Woman: Yes!
我们的钱在哪儿? - Where's our money?! - ( gavel bangs )
有个小的技术问题 As a technical matter,
判刑的时间必须以月来表示 the sentence must be expressed in months.
150年等价于 150 years is equivalent
1800个月 to 1,800 months.
现在休庭 We are adjourned.
( handcuffs clicking )
我们目前所站的位置是联邦改造监狱 Reporter: We're standing outside of the Federal Correctional Complex
地处北卡罗来纳的布特纳 in Butner, North Carolina,
伯尼·马多夫刚在几分钟前到达了这里 where Bernie Madoff just arrived minutes ago.
我们看见马多夫先生跟其他的罪犯 We saw Mr. Madoff arrive on a bus
一起乘坐公交车到达这里 with a group of other inmates
他将在这里服刑150年 where he will serve his 150-year prison sentence.
其中的警卫表示会密切关注他 Officials have said he will be watched carefully
以防他做出伤害自己的行为 to ensure he is not a danger to himself
因为他将面临的刑期遥遥无期 as he faces the long years ahead.
佛罗里达 博卡拉顿 ( birds chirping )
嗯 Hmm.
监狱的探访时间是很自由的 Reporter #2: Visiting hours at the prison are very liberal,
所以跟马多夫比较熟悉的人称 他的妻子露丝 and people close to the Madoffs say his wife Ruth
很可能会搬去北卡罗来纳 只为离她丈夫近一点 may well move to North Carolina to be close to her husband.
去死吧 混蛋 我他妈在佛罗里达呢 Oh, fuck you, you asshole. I'm in Florida.
他们很相爱 ...very much in love
就像邦妮和克莱德 just like Bonnie was to Clyde, Charlie.
邦妮会抢银行 会杀人 Bonnie robbed banks. Bonnie killed people.
-我像她? -欢迎输入以下网址 - And I'm Bonnie? - ...by going to our blog
前往我们的博客关注更多动态 "The World Newser" at abcnews.com.
我怎么可能像邦妮? How am I Bonnie?
邦妮是个杀手 她会杀人 Bonnie was a killer. Bonnie killed people.
我像她? And I'm Bonnie?
( insects chirping )
16年来 我一直保守着这个秘密 Bernie: For 16 years, I kept this secret
不管是对我妻子 我弟弟 from my wife, from my brother,
还是我儿子 my sons.
我要怎么一边保守秘密 How I was able to do that
一边保持清醒 and maintain any degree of sanity,
每次想到这个 我都会很担心 well, that-- that worries me when I think about it.
这个你已经说过了 You already mentioned that.
是的 ( clears throat ) Yeah, I did.
但既然都提到你家人了 But while we're on the subject,
那就继续这个话题 你说你想保护自己的家人 you say you wanted to protect your family.
没错 Right.
那我们假设一下 But just an example,
万一在08年的危机前 what would have happened
你遭遇了不幸 if at some point before the crisis of '08,
比如被车撞了 然后去世了怎么办? you'd been hit by a bus, you'd drop dead?
马克和安德鲁就会成为 Mark and Andrew would've become the owners
这家仍处于 正在犯下历史上最大规模的 of a firm that was still in the middle
庞氏骗局的公司的老板 of perpetrating the biggest Ponzi scheme in history.
但是顾问却是另一个完全独立的工作 Except the advisory was a completely separate business,
他们是没有涉猎过的 所以... one in which they had no involvement, so...
但万一你死了 But with you dead
而弗兰克为了自救 and Frank probably willing
很有可能会想尽办法 自圆其说 to swear to anything to save himself,
在我看来有很大的几率 seems to me the odds are
这家公司的老板或者总经理 that as owners as lifelong executives,
会被抓进监狱 they'd have gone to jail.
你的儿子将会代替你的位置 被关在这里 Your sons would be sitting there where you are.
不会的 我会保护他们 No, well, I protected them.
如果你死了 就不能保护他们了 伯尼 You couldn't have protected them if you were dead, Bernie.
那谁会为这起事件负责呢? So who would've been held responsible?
我 I would've been.
是他们 伯尼 They would've been, Bernie.
他们会为这件事买单 They would've been held responsible,
也就是说下面两种说法 只有一种是对的 which means one of two things is true.
要么他们是真的有罪 Either they actually were guilty
愿意接受这种风险 and accepted the risks
要么就是你愿意让你的儿子因为你所犯的罪名 or you were willing to let your sons go to jail
而被抓进监狱 for the crime you committed.
哪一条是真的 伯尼? Which is it, Bernie?
我喜欢和你咬文嚼字的感觉 I do like jousting with you. ( chuckles )
我没有在跟你玩游戏 伯尼 I'm not jousting with you, Bernie.
-好吧... -我是很认真的在问你 - Yeah, well-- - I'm not jousting with you.
因为在我看来... It seems to me like--
你是在拒绝承认 like you're refusing
你给自己的家人 to recognize that hazard
所营造的危险的环境 you created for your family.
不仅是你被捕那天所留下的阴影 Not just the day you were arrested,
更是你在他们的生活中 所埋下的危险的种子 but the hazard that they lived under,
未知 并且你能操纵这起诈骗案多久 unknowing, for, well, however long
这份危险就会潜伏多久 you were operating this fraud.
最终 他们还是会被免罪的 Eventually, they would be exonerated.
-就这样 -你怎么能这么确定这一点 - Period. - How could you have been so certain of that,
然后甘心冒险? that you were willing to risk it?
因为他们从没参与过我的计划 Because they were never involved, ever,
也没有任何证据能证明他们参与过 and there's no way it's ever gonna be proven otherwise.
所以这就无所谓了 So it doesn't matter.
我知道要让他们经历这些 是很糟糕的 It's a terrible thing that they're going through,
不过他们永远也不会被定罪 but they never would have been convicted
因为他们是无辜的 because they couldn't be convicted.
他们什么都没有做 Because they didn't do anything.
我的妻子也是 Neither did my wife.
什么都没做 Nothing. Zero.
-但你知道你所做的... -我知道自己做了什么 - But you know what you've done... - I know what I've done.
你让整个家都支离破碎了 - ...has shattered your family. - I take full responsibility for that
这一点我负全责
这种自责感 也会永远伴随我下半辈子 and it'll-- it'll kill me for the rest of my life.
不过... But...
2009年夏天到秋天的时间里 Diana's voice: Over the course of the summer and fall of 2009,
政府拍卖掉了马多夫的财产 the government auctioned off Madoff's property.
蒙托克的海景别墅... The beach house in Montauk--
9百万 $9 million.
曼哈顿的顶层公寓... The penthouse in Manhattan--
8百万 $8 million.
棕搁滩的房子... The Palm Beach house--
7百25万 现无人购买 available for $7.25 million.
还有奔驰 游艇 汽艇 The Mercedes-Benz station wagon, yachts and power boats,
棒球夹克 还有一大堆个人物品... Mets jacket, a hodgepodge of personal items...
2009年秋天 Diana's voice: By the fall of 2009,
皮夏德从公司的佣金 Picard had separately collected
银行账户 roughly 1.5 billion
资产出售 还有一些法庭外的协议 from the firm's brokerage and bank accounts,
已经零零散散收集了15亿了 asset sales, and a few out-of-court settlements.
我们对露丝·马多夫提起诉讼 We filed suit against Ruth Madoff
让她赔偿4千4百万 for 44 million.
对马克和安德鲁·马多夫 We have filed a clawback suit
提起了弥补性收入的诉讼 against Mark and Andrew Madoff
向他们索要赔偿1亿2千7百万 for the return of $127.5 million.
- ( chatter ) - ( camera shutters clicking )
( kids chattering )
你可以负责管理城堡 You can be in charge of the castle.
-我负责服装 对吗? -这个假发会不会太张扬了? - I get the dresses, right? - Isn't that wig hysterical?
真棒 - ( phone chimes ) - That's great.
马克·马多夫: 皮卡尔向奥德丽提起诉讼 向她索赔1万1千美元 作为露丝和伯尼送她礼物的钱
能帮我看住她一会儿吗? Could you watch her for a minute?
马克 每次我们想抛开过去 - ( dog whimpers ) - Stephanie: Mark, any time we try
向前走的时候 to move on with our life,
伯尼都会找到法子 把我们重新拉回去 Bernie just finds a way to drag us back down.
-我已经受够了 -抱歉 - I'm sick of it. - I'm sorry.
我告诉你 你会生气 不告诉你 你还是会生气 I tell you, you get angry. I don't tell you, you get angry.
那我该怎么办? What am I supposed to do?
我不知道 I don't know. It's just...
这个家伙有什么毛病? Oh, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?
起诉一个4岁的小女孩? Suing our four-year-old daughter?
-简直就是个疯子 -我知道 我很抱歉 - It's insane. - I know, I'm sorry.
我只是很讨厌这种感觉 I just-- I hate that every time
每次以为自己回归正常的生活了 就会发生不好的事情 I start to feel normal again, something bad happens.
短信信箱你看过了吗? Have you checked your text messages?
还没 No.
( chuckles )
天啊 他太可爱了 Oh, my God, he's so cute.
( both chuckle )
我爱你 I love you.
我也爱你 I love you, too.
再见 - ( distant siren wailing ) - Bye.
再见 Bye.
( blinds snapping )
嘿 马蒂 Mark: Hey, Marty,
我把文章发给你了 你收到了吗? I sent you the article. Did you get it?
听到留言回个电话给我 Anyway, please give me a call back.
嘿 伙计 是我 Hey, man, it's me.
你是出门了吗 What, are you away or something,
因为我之前打过来 家里没人接 'cause I called you earlier today and you didn't answer.
我给马蒂留了个言 但是他好像也不在 I left a message for Marty and he's not there either.
感觉所有人都不在 Like, nobody ever seems to be around.
好像大家都出城去了的感觉 Everybody's out of town or something.
我又来留言了 I'm leaving you another message.
我知道我留了很多条言了 安德鲁 I know I keep leaving you messages, Andrew.
我也联系不上史蒂芬妮 我谁都联系不上! I can't even reach Stephanie. I can't reach anybody!
我快要疯了 I'm seriously gonna lose it.
真的 I really am.
我好像被困在这里 I'm, like, trapped in here.
猜猜看 Guess what.
又是我 It's me again.
我不知道你是不是出去了... I don't know if you're away with Cath--
你和凯瑟琳出去了吗? are you away with Catherine?
你们去哪儿了? I mean, where are you guys, anyway?
去钓鱼了吗? Have you gone fishing?
我感觉自从她出现在你的生活里 It's just, like, ever since she's been in your life,
我他妈就再也联系不上你了 I can't fucking reach you anymore.
我连跟你说句话都难 I can't ever talk to you.
你们就好像总是在度蜜月 过节庆祝! You're just, like, always fucking on some holiday!
好吧 我之前给你留了 Okay, ahem, I just left you, like,
一条20分钟的留言 结果被截断了 a 20-minute message and I got cut off.
安迪 马蒂 Andy, Marty,
我也不知道现在是在给谁留言 I don't even know who I'm leaving messages for.
我只知道现在我是在留言 I'm just leaving messages now, you know what I mean?
( yells )
我们本应该坐在一起 We're supposed to just sit around and, like, you know,
像以前一样 什么都不干 with our dicks in our hands, doing nothing?
我已经忍受这样的生活两年了 You know, I've been at this for two years.
两年了! Two years. Two years!
我再也受不了了! 我必须发表一次声明 I can't keep going on this way! I have to make a statement.
发表一次重大的声明! I gotta make a big statement!
我不能再这样活下去了 I can't go on like this.
( birds chirping )
( phone chimes )
一定要叫人来照顾好尼克
我爱你
( line ringing )
我们不在家 有事请留言 Stephanie's voice: We're not here. Leave a message.
( machine beeps )
马克 你在家吗? Mark, are you there?
马克 快接电话 Mark, pick up.
你的来电被自动转入 Woman's voice: Your call has been forwarded
语音信箱系统 to an automatic voice message system.
"哗"声之后 请留言 At the tone, please record your message.
( beeps )
马克 我刚刚打了家里的电话没人接 Mark, I just tried the house.
听到留言马上打电话给我 Uh-- uh, call me.
请进 - ( knocking on door ) - Woman: Come in.
妈妈 Mom.
怎么了? What's wrong?
马克给我发了这几条短信 I just got these messages from Mark.
我打了家里的电话 Uh, I tried calling the house,
但是没人接 but he's-- he's not picking up.
( horn honking )
好了 我刚刚把车停好 All right, yeah, I just-- I just pulled up.
我现在进去 I'm going inside.
等会再打给你 I'll call you back. All right.
( dog barking )
马克? Mark?
( door closes )
( barking continues )
( gasps )
嘿! Hey!
嘿 尼克 Hey, Nicky.
你在干什么呢? What are you doing, huh?
想跟外公走吗? Wanna come with Papa? ( grunts )
我们去外面玩 你想出去吗 We're gonna go outside. You wanna go outs--
- ( Marty grunts ) - ( Nick giggles )
( dog barking )
好了 格鲁伯! Okay, uh. Grouper!
得把毯子带上 Gotta get your blanky.
格鲁伯 快回来 Grouper, come back. ( grunts )
尼克 跟外公玩躲猫猫好不好 Hey, Nicky, with Papa we're gonna play peek-a-boo.
格鲁伯 过来! - Grouper, come! Grouper! - ( Nick babbles )
格鲁伯! 快过来! 真乖 - Grouper! Grouper, come! Come on, that's a good boy. - ( touch tones beeping )
真乖 看着这个... That's a good boy. Look at...
格鲁伯 真乖 - ( line ringing ) - Grouper, good.
我们去外面玩 We're just gonna go outside.
喂? Andy: Hello?
我是马蒂 Marty: It's Marty.
马克死了 Mark's dead.
史蒂芬妮! - ( Andy gasps ) - Pinks: Stephanie!
-他上吊自尽的 -他死了 - Marty: He-- he hung himself. - Pinks: He's dead.
有人通知妈妈吗? Andy: Has anybody called my mother?
我得给妈妈打个电话 I have to call my mother.
( phone chiming )
安迪? Andy?
真高兴能听到你的声音 亲爱的 ( exhales ) It's so good to hear your voice, sweetheart.
( screams, sobs )
( glass shatters )
在马克自杀后一个星期 Marty: I wrote Bernie a letter
我给伯尼写了封信 a week after Mark killed himself.
但是一直没有寄给他 And I never sent it to him
因为他的收件会受到严格的监控 because they monitor his mail
像这种类型信件 and I thought they would never, ever
他们应该不会通过 give him a letter like this.
你可以在节目中念出来 他说不定正在看 Joy Behar: Well, here, you can say it on TV. He's probably watching.
我是这样写的 Well, what I wrote to him was,
"伯尼 我不会寄给你" "Bernie, while I will not
"你外孙 外孙女的照片" send you pictures of your grandchildren,
"这里有张照片 是我想跟你分享的" there is one picture I do want you to see.
"这是你儿子 马克生前最后一张照片" That last picture of your son Mark.
"这是你欠他妻子" You owe it to his widow,
"他孩子 他弟弟 还有他妈妈的" his children, his brother, his mother.
"下面是我对你的祝福 伯尼" So, here is what I wish for you, Bernie.
"希望你每次坐下来吃饭的时候" Every time you sit down to eat,
"当你拿起你的塑料叉子" as you pick up your plastic fork,
"你就能看到你儿子的尸首" I want you to see your son's corpse
"吊在你桌子正上方的椽子上" hanging from the rafter directly over your table
"和你面对着面 伯尼" right on front of you, Bernie,
"你吃的每一餐 都会看到你的儿子马克..." so at every meal, you see your son Mark--
"他那双白色袜子" his white sweat socks are swaying
"在你眼前轻盈地摇晃" ever so gently at your eye level
"就在你餐盘的上方" immediately above your food dish.
"当你抬起头" And as you look up, Bernie,
"你就能看见" you see--
"你的长子悬挂在屋梁上" you see your firstborn son hanging there,
"他的头向左偏倚着" his head at a left leaning angle
"斜斜地注视着你" looking down at you,
"质问着你 为什么要这样对你自己的儿子" asking how could you do that to your son
"他在死前的这两年里" who up until two years before his death
"给予了你最伟大的礼物..." had given you the greatest gift--
"那就是他对父亲毫无保留的爱" his unconditional love for his father."
希望他能听见 Joy: Well, I hope he heard that.
-希望如此 -他牢房里有免费电视看 - I hope he heard that. - Marty: Well, he gets free television,
所以他肯定听得见 so why shouldn't he hear it?
他为什么没有钻进地缝里 那里才是他的归属? Why isn't he in a hole where he belongs?
他说他在监狱里生活得 Joy: He says that he is happier in prison
-比以前更快乐 -有免费的食物! - than he was before. - Free meals!
-在监狱里有安全感 -而他的受害者们 - He feels safe in prison. - His victims
只能吃残羹剩饭 are eating their dinner out of cat food cans.
然后他说 "普通人都以为" Joy: Then he says, "The average person thinks I robbed widows and orphans.
"我是通过抢劫寡妇 孤儿的钱"
"来使有钱人更有钱的" 这不是真的 I made wealthy people wealthier." That is not true.
马克 他留了一张遗书 Marty: Mark-- he wrote a note.
上面写道 The note said,
"伯尼 你用你诈骗的一生" "Bernie, this is what happens
"毁了你自己的儿子" when you destroy your sons
-"这就是下场" -嗯哼 - by your life of deceit." - Joy: Mm-hmm.
-"去死吧 伯尼" -嗯哼 - "Fuck you, Bernie." - Mm-hmm.
-这是马克的自杀遗书 -好吧 - That was Mark's suicide note. - Right.
我不能再来了 Ruth: I can't keep coming here.
( door buzzes )
我想和安迪重归于好 I want a relationship with Andy
他不愿意我再继续来看你 and he won't see me if I keep coming here.
我做不到两边兼顾 I can't have it both ways.
我能理解 No, I understand.
我也不能继续再跟你说话了 And I can't talk to you anymore.
你不要写信 或者打电话给我 You can't write to me or call me.
那样我太痛苦了 It'll be too hard.
露丝 我做的一切都是想让你和 Ruth, all I want is what's best
孩子们过得更好 for you and for the boys.
是孩子 伯尼 Boy, Bernie.
现在只有一个了 Boy.
( sighs )
你是我的救生员 You were my lifeguard.
我本以为你能保护我一辈子 I thought you were gonna protect me forever.
这是我拥有过最好的工作了 Best job I ever had.
除了你 我不需要去救任何人 I never had to save anybody.
我不知道和你断开联系 I don't know if it will ever
会不会改变我现在的心情 be any different than it feels now.
在失去一个孩子之后 I don't think after losing a child
我不认为情况会有所好转 things ever get better.
我看不到自己的未来 I don't see much of a future for me.
或许我就没有吧 And I don't really care if I have one.
未来太艰辛了 The future's hard.
我很抱歉看到《人物周刊》上 Yeah, I was sorry to see that "People Magazine"
用了你跟马克小时候合影的那张照片 used that photo of you and Mark when he was a boy.
我永远也无法原谅你 伯尼 I can never forgive you, Bernie.
可是我也不生你气 And yet I'm not angry at you.
不知道为什么 I don't know why.
我现在感觉很麻木 It's a combination of feeling numb
感觉做什么事都没有希望 and it seeming fruitless.
我记不得当救生员 一个月能赚多少钱了 I don't remember how much I got paid as a lifeguard,
不过钱从来都不是最重要的 but it was never about the money.
2013年 Diana: In 2013,
我邀请安德鲁来我在普林斯顿 I invited Andrew to speak at a writing seminar
举行的写作促进会演讲 I conducted at Princeton
主题背景是关于骗子的写作的 under the general theme of writing about con artists.
安迪由于淋巴瘤复发 Andy had just started chemotherapy
正在接受化疗 for the reoccurrence of lymphoma.
我为他的演讲 选的主题是 The topic I asked him to think about for the class
媒体是如何报道他父亲的诈骗案的 was how the media had covered his father's case
而这又是如何影响他的生活的 and how that affected his life.
我一直很想知道 Woman: I've always wondered,
你为什么不参加电视节目 说出案件的实情? why didn't you go on TV and state your case?
为什么不为自己发声? Why didn't you defend yourself?
其中的一个原因是 Well, one of the reasons
我一直对上电视节目 I've always felt uncomfortable
／然后说出自己的故事 这种事持观望态度 about the prospect of going on TV and telling my story
因为我不觉得自己是那种 能让其他人产生共鸣的人 is that I don't know if I'm that sympathetic a character.
而在一天结束之后 And at the end of the day,
我回想起以前富裕尊贵的生活 I lived a life of great wealth and privilege.
我可以环游世界 I traveled the world.
想买什么买什么 I wanted for nothing.
不过这一切都是由 All of that was subsidized
我父亲的受害者买单的 by my father's victims.
想要说出我们的故事 马克的故事... It's hard to, um, tell our story--
我妈妈的故事 还有我的故事 是很困难的 Mark's, my mother's, myself--
因为每个人都有自己的故事 when there are so many other stories.
我哥哥自杀了 My brother killed himself.
我妈妈也失去了世界上 她唯一爱过的男人 My mother lost the only man she ever loved,
结果那个人还是个诈骗犯 turned out to be a complete fraud.
但这件事受影响的 不仅是我们3个人 But, you know, there were just three of us.
还有千千万万的受害者 There are thousands of victims.
然后... And, uh...
还有其他问题吗? Any other questions?
请说 Yes.
父子之间的关系 Man: The father-son relationship
是一个人的人生当中 非常特殊的一种关系 is such an important factor in anyone's life.
你和你爸爸的这种联系 在某种程度上应该 There must be some part of that relationship with your father
还有所残存 that still exists.
即使经历过这样的事情 Even after all this,
你的内心深处 其实有没有想过去探望一下他 can you see some point where you could visit him
或者跟他说说话? or talk to him again?
我爸爸在我内心已经死了 My father is dead to me.
2014年9月3号 Diana: On September 3rd, 2014,
安德鲁·马多夫 Andrew Madoff died
死于套细胞淋巴癌 from mantle cell lymphoma.
( crickets chirping )
- ( receiver clicks ) - ( dial tone )
( buttons clicking )
( line ringing )
( phone chiming )
嗨 我是露丝 Ruth's voice: Hi, this is Ruth.
"哗"声之后 请留言 Leave a message after the tone.
( beeps )
嗨 露丝 我只是想... Hi, Ruth, I just wanted to--
我知道我说过不再打电话过来 I know I said I wouldn't call, but I just, um--
好吧 um, okay.
( dial tone )
( beeping )
( line ringing )
( phone chiming )
( line ringing )
- ( door closes ) - ( chiming continues )
嗨 我是露丝 Ruth's voice: Hi, this is Ruth.
"哗"声之后 请留言 Leave a message after the tone.
( beeps )
( dial tone )
( line ringing )
非常抱歉 Woman's voice: We're sorry.
你所拨打的电话 已经无人使用 You have reached a number that is no longer in service.
如果你感觉打错了 If you feel that you have reached this recording in error,
请检查一遍电话号码... please check the number and--
( door clangs )
嘿 我今天上了次网 Bernie: Hey, I was online today
看到一些以前写我的报道 and I'm reading some of the old coverage of me
然后发现了这篇文章 and I came across this article.
老实说 其实挺搞笑的 Frankly, it was just ridiculous.
文章写的是什么? What was the article?
《纽约时报》采访了一个人 The "New York Times" interviewed this guy, a forensic psychologist
是一个犯罪心理学家
他曾侦办过泰德·邦迪一案 who worked on the Ted Bundy case.
而这个人 乔·布洛 And this guy, Joe Blow,
我们从没见过 也没说过话 whom I've never met, never talked to,
之前也从来没有过交集 更没远方亲戚关系 don't know from Adam, never seen in my whole entire life
却在那边高谈阔论 我跟泰德·邦迪的 was going on and on about the similarities
相似之处 between Ted Bundy and myself.
我能理解做这样的比较 是会让人感觉不舒服 Ah, I can see how that comparison would be troubling, but--
文中其实也没有写比较 Well, there is no comparison.
是个正常人都不会把我跟某个 I mean, how can you compare me to someone
把女人头砍下来当纪念品的疯子 相提并论吧? who decapitated women and kept their heads as mementos?
他的行为才算得上是真正邪恶的人类 I mean, that's the behavior of a truly, truly evil human being.
这究竟有什么可比性啊? I mean, what comparison is there, ever, possibly in that?
但是在《纽约时报》上 And yet the "New York Times,"
所谓的"资料报纸" "the newspaper of record,"
"时事新闻" "all the news that's fit to print"
从来没有人评论这是一篇荒谬可笑的文章 never had anyone say this is a preposterous piece of writing,
特别是企业版上 especially for the business section.
你觉得他们为什么要做这样的比较? Well, why do you think they made that comparison?
-当我检举自己的时候... -是你儿子检举的你 - You know, when I turned myself in-- - Your sons turned you in.
是我自己自首的 No, no, but I turned myself in.
反正前后也就只相差几天 就当是我自己检举的 It was a matter of a few days, so I was gonna do it.
当我自首的时候 So anyway, when I turned myself in...
( sighs )
正值整个反华尔街风暴的高潮 it was the height of the whole anti-Wall Street hysteria
人们需要一个反面角色 一个代表 and they needed a villain, they needed a face
来帮忙处理他们所捅的大篓子 for the whole mess they created.
而这个代表就变成了我 That face became me, so that's--
我也不知道... I don't know, I just--
我根本不想去想 I don't even wanna think about it.
想什么? Think about what?
他会杀死无辜的人 Well, he killed people, innocent people.
而对我而言 我想告诫大家的是 And in my case, I told people, everyone,
"永远别把超过一半的钱投在我身上" "Don't put more than half your money with me.
未来的情况 谁说得清楚呢? You never know. Who the hell knows?
可能某一天 我就变成疯子了 I mean, one day, I could just go crazy."
可事实就是 人们都太贪婪了 But the reality is people are greedy.
嗯 事实是你的警告是毫无根据的 Hmm, the reality is that not even your warning was true
而且不管怎么说 钱都被你们偷走了 and you took their money anyway.
我问你一个问题吧 Let me ask you a question.
你觉得我反社会吗? Do you think I'm a sociopath?
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