男士：请进来，神秘挑战者，并签到，好吗？ MAN: Will you enter, mystery challenger, and sign in, please?
男士2：你演电影吗？ MAN 2: Are you in the movies?
阿里：没有。 ALI: No.
[男：一人倒下，还剩九人。加布先生]。 [MAN: One down, nine to go. Mr. Gabe].
加贝尔：你是运动员吗？ GABEL: Are you an athlete?
阿里：嗯.是。 ALI: Mm... Yes.
“男人”。弗朗西斯小姐。 "MAN". Miss Francis.
弗朗西斯：你是高尔夫球手吗，神秘嘉宾？ FRANCIS: Are you a golfer, mystery guest?
阿里：没有。 ALI: No.
男：已经完成了五次，还剩五次。加贝尔先生。 MAN: That's five down and five to go. Mr Gabel.
(男子咳嗽) (MAN COUGHING)
加贝尔：你是，呃，拳击手吗？ GABEL: Are you, uh, a boxer?
-是的。男士：弗朗西斯小姐。 - Yes. - MAN: Miss Francis.
天哪，那肯定不是你的声音，对吧？ Boy, that sure isn't the voice fur it, is it?
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
现在让我看看。那会是什么呢？ Let me see now. What could that be?
你是以一个小伙子的名字命名的人吗？ Are you a fellow who was named after a chap
他们把山带到了哪里？用穆罕默德的名字？ that they brought the mountains to? By the name of Muhammad?
-你是卡修斯·克莱吗-好吧 - Are you Cassius Clay? - Well...
男：是的！ MAN: Yes!
(掌声) (APPLAUSE)
(电话拨号) (PHONE DIALING)
(电话线响起) (PHONE LINE RINGING)
星期五。 Friday.
-什么事？-阿里：阿萨拉姆·阿莱库姆，奶奶！ - WOMAN: Yes? - ALI: Assalamu alaikum, Grandma!
-奶奶：Waikum assalam！-AU：你们在做什么？ - GRANDMA: Waiaikum assalam! - AU: What y'all doing?
奶奶：在楼下看电视。 GRANDMA: Downstairs watching television.
阿里：是吗？梅在哪里？-奶奶：在楼下。 - ALI: Yeah? Where's May May? - GRANDMA: Downstairs.
阿里：别告诉她。让她接电话。 ALI: Don't tell her. Put her on the phone.
奶奶：好的。梅！梅！ GRANDMA: OK. May May!
-阿美：什么事？-阿里：阿萨拉姆·阿莱库姆！ - MAY MAY: Yes? - ALI: Assalamu alaikum!
-阿美：爸爸，瓦莱库姆·萨萨拉姆！-阿里：我女儿怎么样？ - MAY MAY: Walaikum assalam, Daddy! - ALI: How's my daughter?
阿美：好的。我们去看鸟妈妈了。 MAY MAY: Fine. We went to go see Mama Bird.
阿里：很好。我听到了。你有没有。你见到她高兴吗？ ALI: Good. I heard that. Did you... were you happy to see her?
阿美：是的。-ALP。我正要穿衣服呢。 - MAY MAY: Yes. - ALP. I was just getting dressed.
我正准备去另一个像鹿湖这样的地方看看。 I'm getting ready to go look at another place like Deer Lake.
-阿美：是吗？-阿里：是的。 - MAY MAY: You are? - ALI: Yes.
阿里：如果我喜欢，我可能会再打一次。 ALI: It might be possible that if I like it, I might fight again.
阿美：不！请不要再打架了。 MAY MAY: No! Don't fight again, please.
阿里：四次夺回冠军头衔。你能想象吗？ ALI: Take the title back four times. Can you imagine?
阿美：别再打架了。你在变老。 MAY MAY: Don't fight again. You're getting old.
(阿里咯咯地笑) (ALI CHUCKLES)
-阿里：我得到了什么？-阿美：老. - ALI: I'm getting what? - MAY MAY: Old.
阿尔卑斯。太老了？你爸爸多大了？ ALP. Too old? Haw old is your daddy?
阿美：多大了？像，37岁？-阿里：是的。 - MAY MAY: How old? Like, 37? - ALI: That's right.
(欢呼声) (CHEERING)
男人：安吉洛·邓迪在拳台上，穆罕默德·阿里的资深教练 MAN: Angelo Dundee is in the ring, the veteran trainer of Muhammad Ali
从他职业生涯的头几场比赛开始。 since the first couple of fights of his career.
(拳击铃声) (BOXING BELL RINGS)
男士：人群开始高呼，“阿里，阿里。”就像以前一样。 MAN: The crowd is starting to chant, "Ali. Ali." Like old times.
(人群高呼口号) (CROWD CHANTING)
阿里身高六英尺三英寸，但特雷弗·贝比克并不小。 Ali is six feet three, but Trevor Berbick is not small.
他身高六英尺二英尺半。 He's six feet two and a half.
阿里快40岁了。特雷弗·伯比克今年27岁。 Ali is almost 40 years old. Trevor Berbick is 27.
他来了。 Here he comes.
事实证明，这是一场多么精彩的演出。 What a production this has turned out to be.
阿里：我在12岁的时候就知道我想做什么， ALI: I knew what I wanted to do at the age of 12 years old,
生活中的每一件事都有目的，每个人都有目的。 and every thing has a purpose in life and every man has a purpose.
正是对这一目标的了解，使每个灵魂都能实现它。 And it's the knowing of that purpose which enables every soul to fulfill it.
谁知道自己的人生目标，那么他就清楚地知道自己要去哪里。 And he who knows his life purpose, then he knows exactly where he's going.
我没有自负，FM只是被说服了。 I'm not conceited, Fm just convinced.
-男人：我的朋友，穆罕默德·阿里。阿里：天气怎么样？ - MAN: My buddy, Muhammad Ali. - ALI: How's the weather?
-什么？-阿里：天气怎么样？ - MAN: Huh? - ALI: How's the weather?
男：这里很漂亮。这里真美。 MAN: Beautiful here. Beautiful here.
我叫吉恩·基尔罗伊。我是穆罕默德·阿里的前业务经理。 My name is Gene Kilroy. I'm the former business manager of Muhammad Ali.
有史以来最伟大的拳击手。最好的朋友。 The greatest fighter of all times. The greatest friend.
最棒的人。我从他那里学到了很多。 The greatest guy. I learned a lot from him.
是的，伙计，我走进镇上，跳下飞机，穿着凉爽的白色西装。 Yeah, man, I step in town, ljump off a plane and in my cool white suit.
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
(哎呀) (WHOOPS)
(隐约)兄弟们！ (INDISTINCT), brothers!
天哪，这比场边的座位好多了。 Boy, it was better than a ringside seat.
你知道，拳击场边的座位，比赛结束后你就得走了。 You know, a ringside seat, you gotta go when the fight's over.
作为胜利和失败的一部分， To be part of the victory and part of the defeat,
你知道，那是一件特别的事。你知道的，马上就到。 you know, that was a special thing. You know, be right there.
男：我想介绍一位冠军的长期顾问，吉恩·基尔罗伊， MAN: I wanna introduce a long-time adviser of the champ, Gene Kilroy,
今天我们的代言人是谁。吉恩。 who is our spokesperson today. Gene.
(欢呼声) (CHEERING)
基尔罗伊：很高兴来到这里。 KILROY: It's nice to be here.
回顾我的一生，呃，有一次有人问我， Looking back over my life, uh, somebody asked me one time,
呃，“你有什么恐惧吗？” uh, "Do you have any fear?"
我说：“我唯一害怕的就是有一天我妈妈会叫醒我。” I said, "The only fear I have is that some day my mother's gonna wake me up"
然后说‘该去上学了’，我的生活就是一个梦想。“ and say 'It's time to go to school', that my life has been a dream."
和穆罕默德·阿里在一起，我很幸运能和那个人在一起。 With Muhammad Ali, I've been blessed to be around that man.
有很多百万富翁愿意拿出一百万美元 There are multi-millionaires who would have given a million dollars
每天和阿里在一起就像我和他在一起一样。 to be with Ali every day like I've been with him.
基尔罗伊：我第一次见到穆罕默德·阿里是在1960年的罗马奥运会上。 KILROY: My first encounter with Muhammad Ali was the 1960 Olympics in Rome.
他就像奥运村的村长。 He was like the Mayor of Olympic Village.
他戴着金牌，每个人都想和他在一起。 He wears a gold medal around, everybody wanted to be around him.
大家，大家都想见见他。 Everybody, everybody wanted to meet him.
告诉我你是怎么得到这样一个罗马名字的。 Tell me how you came to get such a Roman name as that.
据我所知，我是卡修斯·马塞勒斯·克莱六世 Well, as I understand, I'm Cassius Marcellus Clay the Sixth
我的高曾祖父是肯塔基州的奴隶 and my great-great-grandfather was a Kentucky slave
他是以某个伟大的肯塔基人的名字命名的。 and he was named after some great Kentuckian.
卡修斯·马塞卢斯·克莱在肯塔基州是个很棒的名字。 Cassius Marcellus Clay is a great name in Kentucky.
还有，呃，真的，他是从哪里来的，都是从哪里来的， And, uh, really, where he was from and where it was all originated,
我不能告诉你，但自从我在拳击界小有名气后， I couldn't tell you, but since I've reached a little fame in boxing,
大多数人都想知道我来自哪里，呃，我是从哪里得到这个名字的。 most people want to know where I'm from and, uh, where did I get that name.
但说真的，我还没检查过， But really, I haven't really checked on it,
所以我知道我得去看看然后... so I see that I'm gonna have to go look and...
你得去查一查。 You'll have to look it up.
看看这是怎么回事，现在我要接受采访了。 See what it's all about, now that I'm getting interviews.
(机器哔声) (MACHINE BEEPS)
阿里：嗨，吉恩。-是的。 - ALI: Hey, Gene. - Yeah.
我听了一个你可能会喜欢的小故事。是这样的。 I heard a little story you might like. Goes like this.
小时候，我在肯塔基州的路易斯维尔长大。 As a boy, I grew up in Louisville, Kentucky.
在肯塔基州，那里有漂亮的马和飞快的女人。 In the state of Kentucky that has pretty horses and fast women.
我来自一个非常有爱心的亲密家庭。 I come from a really loving, close family.
我爸爸和妈妈都是基督徒。 My dad and ma were Christian people.
非常勤劳、善良、正派的人。 Very hardworking and good, decent people.
我父亲是一位商业艺术家。 My dad was a commercial artist.
我父亲是肯塔基州路易斯维尔最好的招牌画家。 My dad was the best sign painter in Louisville, Kentucky.
回到肯塔基州路易斯维尔一个只有一匹马的小镇， Way back in a little one-horse town called Louisville, Kentucky,
早在1941年，卡修斯·克莱先生就娶了敖德萨·格雷迪夫人 back in 1941, Mr Cassius Clay married Mrs Odessa Grady
她后来成为了卡修斯·克莱夫人，他们有了一个小儿子。 who later became Mrs Cassius Clay and they had a little son.
这位是克莱夫人。 This is Mrs Clay.
这是我爸爸。老卡修斯·克莱先生。 And this is my daddy. Mr Cassius Clay Senior.
-打个招呼。-你好.你好。 - Say hello. - Hello. Hello.
男士：我们为他感到骄傲，女士。-谢谢你. - MAN: We're very proud of him, lady. - Thank you.
拉哈曼：我出生于1943年。穆罕默德生于1942年。 RAHAMAN: I was born in 1943. Muhammad was born in 1942.
我们相隔18个月。我们玩得很开心。 We were 18 months apart. We had fun.
在那些日子里，他被称为卡修斯·克莱。 In those days he was known as Cassius Clay.
他是健谈的，他是骄傲的。 He was loquacious, he was cocky.
他一直都不一样。他生来就是为了伟大。 He's always been different. He was born for greatness.
今天我们要去我位于格兰特大道3302号的故居， Today we're going to my old home site down at 3302 Grant Avenue,
就在肯塔基州的路易斯维尔。 here in Louisville, Kentucky.
穆罕默德·阿里和我长大的房子。 The house where Muhammad Ali and myself was raised.
我们共用一个房间，那是我一生中最快乐的时光之一。 We shared a room, and that was one of the most happiest times of my life.
他很风趣。他很风趣。无论他做了什么，我都会和他一起去。 He was funny. He was funny. And everything he did, I would go with him.
跑步，拳击，所有的一切。 The running, the boxing, everything.
在那些日子里，我只是他最好的伴侣。我是他最好的朋友。 I was just his best companion in those days. I was his best friend.
我们就这么亲密，就像盐和胡椒一样。就像盐和胡椒一样。 We were that close, like salt and pepper. Like salt and pepper.
一切都从这里开始。从根部到果实。 And it all begins here. From the root to the fruit.
阿里：玛丽恩，告诉我一些事情。当我开始拳击的时候，我多大了？ ALI: Maryum, tell me something. When I started boxing, how old was I?
那时我才12岁。 I was 12 years old.
玛丽安：你才12岁？！ MARYUM: You were 12?!
阿里：是的。玛丽安：我还以为你更年轻呢。 - ALI: Yeah. - MARYUM: I thought you was younger.
阿里：十二个。-因为有人偷了你的自行车. - ALI: Twelve. - 'Cause somebody stole your bike.
阿里：是的，那是我12岁的时候。 ALI: Yeah, thatb when I was 12.
拉哈曼：那是1953年路易斯维尔的一个星期一晚上。 RAHAMAN: It was on a Monday night in Louisville, 1953.
我们都去看了一场家庭秀。每年他们都会举办一场盛大的嘉年华。 We both went to a home show. Every year they had, like, a big carnival.
我们骑着圣诞节时得到的自行车去了那里。 We had rode our bicycle we got for Christmas up there.
当我们走出主场秀的时候， And when we came out of the home show,
我们的自行车被偷了，所以我们哭了。 our bicycles had got stolen so we cried.
我们那时还是小男孩。我们开始哭了起来。 We were little boys. We started crying.
所以我们问了一个从大楼里出来的人。 So we asked somebody coming out of the building.
请告诉我们在哪里可以找到警察来报告我们的自行车被盗。 "Please tell us where we could find a policeman to report our bikes stolen."
这位先生说：“下楼去，楼下有个警察。” And the gentleman said, "Go downstairs and there's a policeman downstairs."
于是我们下了一段很长的台阶。那是个拳击馆。 So we went down a long flight of steps. It was a boxing gym.
警察在走廊里和几个孩子聊天。 The policeman was in the corridor talking to some kids.
他充满敌意，想抽人一顿。 He was all hostile and wanted to whip somebody.
所以我说：“如果你不知道怎么打架，你就永远不会打架。” So I said, "You never fight if you don't know how."
我说：“有没有人教过你怎么打架？”他说：“不。” I said, "Has anybody ever taught you how to fight?" and he said, "No."
我说：“你应该来这里，先学习如何打架。” I said, "You should come down here and learn how to fight first"
在你开始挑衅之前。“ before you starting picking fights."
所以这就是它的开始。 So that was the beginning of it.
他开始来健身房，他是一个非常虔诚的教练。 He started coming to the gym and he was a very religious trainer.
所以我到的时候他在那里，我离开的时候他也在那里。 And so he was there when I got there, and he was there when I left.
他当时12岁，体重87磅。他就是这样开始的。 He was 12 years old and weighed 87 pounds. That's how he got started.
男：芝加哥的卡修斯·克莱挑战加里·乔伊斯， MAN: Cassius Clay of Chicago challenges Gary Joyce,
东部重量级冠军。 the Eastern Heavyweight champ.
而乔伊斯从第一轮开始就有麻烦了。 And Joyce is in trouble from the first round on.
当他发现拳击时，他很聪明。 When he discovered boxing, he was smart.
他说，如果我能在拳击场上跳水，从一边移动到另一边。 He said, "if I can dive, move from side to side in the boxing ring",
我知道我不会被击中的。 I know I'm not gonna get hit."
于是他说：“鲁迪，我们到巷子后面去吧。” So he said, "Rudy, let's go to the back of the alley"
捡起石头，朝我扔石头。 and pick up rocks and throw the rocks at me."
“看看我能不能躲避那些岩石。”所以他会..。 "See if I can dodge the rocks." So he would...
我会朝他扔石头。岩石不会打到他，也不会从他身边走过。 I'd throw the rocks at him. The rocks would not hit him and go by him.
他会躲避岩石，提高他作为拳击手的反应能力。 He would dodge the rocks, improve his reflexes as a boxer.
果然，当他进入拳击场时， And sure enough, when he got in the boxing ring,
他会躲避那些拳头。(笑)他是个天才。 he would dodge those punches. (LAUGHS) He was a genius.
回到穆罕默德和我还是小孩子的时候， Back in the days when Muhammad and I was young kids,
他会告诉我们邻居的孩子他的命运， he would tell the children in our neighborhood his destiny,
他会有多棒。 how great he would be.
大多数孩子都会嘲笑穆罕默德。 Most of the kids would laugh at Muhammad.
说，“哈哈哈，卡修斯，你不能这么做。” Say, "Ha, ha, ha, Cassius, you can't do that."
“这对你来说太多了。你不可能那么棒的。” "That's too much for you to do. You can't be that great."
当你还是个孩子的时候，你总是和一些家伙打赌， When you're a kid, you always bet some fellas,
“总有一天我会成为冠军， "I'm gonna be champion one day,
当我成为冠军的时候，我会下来向你证明我错了。 and when I'm champion, I'm gonna come down and show you I'm wrong."
然后我说：“伙计们，我总有一天会成为一名好医生的。” And then I say, "Guys, I'm gonna be a great doctor one day"
我要成为一名牙医。我要成为一名伟大的科学家。“ and I'm gonna be a dentist. I'm gonna be a great scientist."
“我将成为这个国家的总统。” "I'm gonna be the President of the country."
实际上，很少有人能够利用这些吹嘘。 And there are very few people actually are able to make good of the boasts
然后回家说，“我告诉过你了。” and come home and say, "I told you."
男士：我接到大堂的电话。“我是卡修斯·马塞勒斯·克莱” MAN: I got a call from the lobby. "I'm Cassius Marcellus Clay."
“我是路易斯维尔的金手套冠军。” "I'm the Golden Glove Champion of Louisville."
“我在西雅图赢得了金手套。我会赢得奥运会的。” "I won the Golden Gloves in Seattle. I'm going to win the Olympics."
现在是58年。所以我把手放在电话上说， Now, this is '58. So I hold my hand on the phone and I says,
“威利，楼下有个疯子想和我们谈谈。” "Willie, there's some sort of a nut downstairs wants to talk to us."
邓迪：这是一次很棒的会议。非常有趣。 DUNDEE: It was a great meeting. Very interesting.
他是一名学生。想知道拳击手训练了多少。 He was a student. Wanted to know how much fighters train.
他们吃了什么，他们跑了多少英里。他想知道一切。 What they ate, how many miles they ran. He wanted to know everything.
邓迪：当他从奥运会回来时， DUNDEE: When he came back from the Olympics,
路易斯维尔赞助商组织把他送到了阿奇·摩尔那里。 the Louisville Sponsoring Group sent him to Archie Moore.
嗯，这不管用，因为，你看，两个明星的品质是不能融合的。 Well, that didn't work because, see, two star qualities don't blend.
事实上，是什么击垮了骆驼的背， In fact, what broke the camel's back,
阿奇·摩尔让他打扫厨房。 Archie Moore asked him to sweep the kitchen.
他说：“我没有为我母亲打扫厨房。” He said, "I didn't sweep the kitchen for my mother."
“我不会打扫厨房的。” "I ain't gonna sweep no kitchen."
所以他们给我打电话，路易斯维尔集团， So they called me up, the Louisville Group,
他们下来采访了我。 and they came down and they interviewed me.
问我会怎么处理这个孩子。 Asked me how I would handle the kid.
我告诉他们我会慢慢来。我不喜欢操之过急。 And I told 'em I would take my time. I don't like to rush anything.
他们说：“天哪，他赢得了一枚奥运奖牌。” Well, they said, "Well, jeez, he won an Olympic medal."
我说：“这并不意味着什么。” I said, "That don't mean nothing."
从业余选手到专业选手的转变需要时间。 Transition from an amateur to a pro takes time.
他会来健身房，如果他没有搭便车去健身房， He would come to the gym and if he didn't get a ride to the gym,
他没有车，呃，他会跑。 he didn't have no car, uh, he would run.
他会跑过堤道。有一天，我接到了警察的电话。 He would run across the causeway. I got a call from the police one day.
“有一个又高又瘦的孩子跑过堤道 "There's a tall, skinny kid running across the causeway
说他是你的拳手。“ says he's your fighter."
所以我说：“是的，他就是卡修斯·克莱。” So I said, "Yes, he is. Cassius Clay."
在过去，除了拳击手，其他人都在说话。 In the past, everybody else talked but the fighter.
现在人们开始想知道这位明星了。 Now people got to wanna know the star.
阿里：还有世界上最大的杂志《生活》杂志。 ALI: And Life magazine, the biggest magazine in the world.
他们想要我漂亮的脸蛋在上面。 They want my pretty face on it.
邓迪：我和这个孩子在一起四年了。 DUNDEE: I was around with this kid for four years.
他们认为我是哑巴，因为我从来不说一句话。 They thought I was a mute because I never put a word in.
“请跟我的人谈谈，”你知道的。 "Talk to my guy, please," you know.
当他们采访我的时候， When they do interviews with me,
它们不是你对拳击手进行的采访。 they are not the interviews that you do with boxers.
拳击手通常不说话，他们能告诉你的就是， Boxers usually don't talk and all they can tell you is,
“他昨天跑了五英里，”或者，嗯，不错的左拳，嗯。 "He ran five miles yesterday," or duh, duh, duh, good left jab, uh, duh, duh.
我不是那种黑人，黑人，明白吗？ I'm not that type of Negro, black man, you understand?
是。 Yes.
你看，他们在面试和大学里问我的问题 See, the questions they ask me on interviews and in colleges
都是一样的，或者更复杂， is the same thing, or more complicated,
比你问英国女王或尼克松总统 than you would ask the Queen of England or President Nixon
或者某个参议员政客。 or some senator politician.
邓迪：他过去常常跳、跳、拉手，你知道的， DUNDEE: He used to jump and bounce and pull hands down, you know,
所以我没有为此找任何借口。我说，“这很管用。” so I wasn't making no excuses for it. I said, "it works."
事实上，有一次我受到了媒体的影响，道格·琼斯之战， In fact, one time I was so influenced by the media, the Doug Jones fight,
在那场打斗中，我告诉他，“举起手来。” I told him in one part of that fight, "Get your hands up."
然后他被踢出了他的身体。我说，“把手放下。” And he got the heck kicked out of him. I said, "Put your hands down."
这就是标准，因为每个人都举起了手。 This is the criteria, because everybody kept their hands up.
从来没有一个大个子像这样移动过，这是关键。 No big man ever moved like that and this was the key.
他很特别。你和你共事的天赋一样优秀。 He was special. And you're as good as your talent you work with.
穆罕默德让我大放异彩。 And Muhammad made me shine.
这里是BBC电视台。 This is BBC Television.
嗯，毫无疑问，最重要的是 Well, no doubt about the top feature
在今晚特别加长的Sportsview版中， in tonight's specially lengthened edition of Sportsview,
因为每个人都还在谈论 because everyone is still talking
关于卡修斯·克莱和亨利·库珀之间的争斗。 about the fight between Cassius Clay and Henry Cooper.
邓迪：我知道英国的酒吧很棒。 DUNDEE: I knew the English pub were tremendous.
我知道他们第一次不会喜欢他， I knew for a fact they weren't gonna like him the first time,
因为他说得太多了 'cause he talked too much.
我知道他们不会喜欢穆罕默德的。 I knew they wouldn't like Muhammad.
当我们第一次去那里的时候，我们没有看到任何人。人们不喜欢他。 When we first went there, we didn't see nobody. The people didn't like him.
我们在和英雄亨利·库珀战斗。然后他说，“五，五。” And we're fighting the hero, Henry Cooper. And he'd gone, "Five. Five."
(笑)人们不喜欢这样，你知道吗？但他只是在找乐子。 (LAUGHS) People didn't go for that, you know? But he was just having fun.
播音员：卡修斯·克莱，直到最后的噱头人， ANNOUNCER: And Cassius Clay, the gimmick man to the last,
头戴怪兽王冠进入拳击场 comes into the ring with this monster crown on his head
一直到场边， and all the way down to the ringside,
穿过一排排撑着雨伞的人， through the rows of people with umbrellas,
人们扔东西，想把他头上的王冠打下来。 People were throwing things and trying to knock the crown off his head.
所以我们开始吧。这是本年度的战斗。 So here we go. It's the fight of the year.
红土来自右手角，对手是英国的库珀。 Clay from the right-hand comer against Cooper of Britain.
克莱说：“我会在五分钟内击败他。”我们走着瞧。 And Clay has said, "I'll beat him in five." We'll see.
(拳击铃声) (BOXING BELL RINGS)
播音员：库珀的左眼确实是一幅非常令人遗憾的景象。 ANNOUNCER: And Cooper's left eye is a very sorry sight indeed.
他在取笑库珀。第四轮。(拳击铃声) And he's teasing Cooper. Round four. (BOXING BELL RINGS)
邓迪：亨利·库珀，你知道，大家都很喜欢他。 DUNDEE: Henry Cooper, you know, was well loved by everybody.
我知道为什么了。而且，呃，那是个很棒的夜晚。 I can see why. And, uh, it was a great night.
毕竟，他打了我那家伙的下巴。 After all, he hit my guy on the chin.
(欢呼声) (CHEERING)
把他扔下了。他从绳子上滑下来。这是戏剧性的。 Dropped him. He slid down the ropes. It was dramatic.
谢天谢地绳索还在。 And thank God the ropes were there.
播音员：第四轮比赛到此结束。 ANNOUNCER: That was the end of the fourth round.
在这轮比赛结束前大约两秒，他打了他。 And he hit him about two seconds before the end of the round.
邓迪：他回到角落，我狠狠地揍了他一顿。 DUNDEE: He came back to the comer and I was chewing him up.
播音员：他们在角落里拼命地对付他。 ANNOUNCER: They're working furiously on him in the comer.
安吉洛·邓迪，他的教练，他真的是在和他谈话。 Angelo Dundee, his trainer, he really is giving him a talking-to.
库珀的左勾拳终于得分了 Cooper's left hook finally scores
而克莱在距离第四轮结束还有两秒的时候落后了。 and Clay was down two seconds from the end of the fourth round.
(拳击铃声) (BOXING BELL RINGS)
他们在第五轮比赛中出场。 And out they come for round five.
现在他要插手了，我想这对库珀来说是时候了。 And now he's stepping in, and I think this is it for Cooper.
毛巾是从库珀的角落里进来的。 The towel has come in from Cooper's corner.
事出无奈。他必须停止这场战斗。 There was no alternative. He had to stop the fight.
在里面，弗兰克·巴特勒问克莱，他是否仍然认为亨利·库珀是个流浪汉。 Inside, Frank Butler asked Clay if he still thought Henry Cooper was a bum.
他不是流浪汉。我必须承认，我真的低估了这家伙。 He's not a bum. I must admit, I really underestimated the fella.
呃，我的鼻子从来没流过血，直到我和他打过架 Uh, my nose has never bled until I fought him
他的左勾拳和人们预测的一样好，甚至更好。 and his left hook was as good or better than the people had predicted.
我必须说，在第四轮结束时，他让我倒在了地板上。 And I must say he had me on the floor at the end of the fourth round.
我从来没有..。我在地板上待过一次， I've never... I've been on the floor once,
但我并没有像以前那样被吓到。我不得不说他是..。 but I wasn't really shook like I was. And I have to say he's the...
他真的应该是仅次于我的第二号竞争者。 He really should be the number-two contender next to me.
毕竟，我仍然是最棒的。 After all, I'm still the greatest.
但他本应成为第二号竞争者。他是我见过的最好的人。 But he should have been the number-two contender. He's the best I've met yet.
嗯，你仍然是一个很棒的预言家， Well, you're still a wonderful prophet,
因为你说你会在第五轮赢，而你在第五轮赢了。 because you said you'd win in round five and you won in round five.
但你不觉得你在第五轮赢了就有点幸运了吗， But don't you think you were just a little lucky to win in round five,
在第四轮的情况下？ in view of the fourth round?
嗯，呃，我不知道你说的运气是什么意思。 Well, uh, I don't know what you mean by luck.
我告诉过你它会在5分钟内结束，这就是发生的事情。 I told you it would end in five and that's what happened.
是的，你头上戴着王冠走进拳击场。 Yes, and you came in the ring with a crown on your head.
-那是因为...-因为我是国王。 - Is that because... - Because I am the king.
我知道你有英格兰女王，但你没有国王。 I understand you have a Queen of England, but you don't have a king.
然而，我们第二次去的时候，我们不能走在街上。 The second time we went, though, we couldn't walk the streets.
这就对了。我是说，然后他就不那么油嘴滑舌或者疯了， So there you go. I mean, then he wasn't as glib or crazy or anything,
但人们爱上了他，因为他们知道这一点，他是认真的。 but the people fell in love with him because they knew it, he was for real.
(机器哔声) (MACHINE BEEPS)
Au：Maryum，人们怎么说？他们知道你是我女儿吗？ AU: Maryum, what do people say? Do they know you're my daughter?
玛丽安：是的，每个人。 MARYUM: Yes, everybody.
阿里：告诉我真相。他们有没有弄出裂缝？ ALI: Tell me the truth. Do they make any cracks?
“因为你爸爸，你觉得自己很酷。” "You think you're cool 'cause of your daddy."
玛丽安：是的，比如，如果我做了什么，他们会说， MARYUM: Yeah, like, if I do something, they say,
“仅仅因为你是穆罕默德·阿里的女儿，你就认为自己很大：” "You think you're big just because you're Muhammad Ali's daughter: ".
休：他们对你这么说吗？谁说的？男孩还是女孩？ AU: They say that to you? Who say it? Boys or girls?
-Maryum：大部分是男孩。阿里：哦。 - MARYUM: Mostly boys. - ALI: Oh.
玛丽安：我是说，我知道他很有名 MARYUM: I mean, I knew he was famous
只要我能走路、能说话、能听懂语言。 as soon as I can walk and talk and understand words.
你知道吗，我听说人们有多崇拜他 You know, I heard how much people adored him
还有，你知道，去便利店的简单之旅 and, you know, a simple trip to the convenience store
有50个人围着我们的车。他哪儿也去不了。 was 50 people surrounding our car. He couldn't go anywhere.
我父亲喜欢人们，所以他会招待他们 And my father loved people, so he would entertain them
呆在外面和他们聊天，然后说，“他五分钟后就会被击倒。” and stay out there and talk to 'em and, "He's gonna get knocked down in five."
我坐在这里看着他，我看着人们 And I'm sitting here looking at him and I'm looking at the people
所以我知道这是不正常的。你知道我在说什么吗？ and so I knew this is not normal. You know what I'm saying?
所以我知道，真的，真的很年轻，嗯，他有多大， So I knew really, really young, um, how huge he was,
是当我在电视上看到我钦佩的人，比如汤姆·琼斯， is when I would see people on television that I admire, like Tom Jones,
或者菲利普·威尔逊或斯莱斯通，小萨米·戴维斯 or Philip Wilson or Sly Stone, Sammy Davis, Jr.,
然后他们会在我的房子里。我就想，“哇。” and then they would be at my house. I'm like, "Whoa."
你知道，“你出名了”，所以我知道他在上面。 You know, "You're famous," you know, so I knew he was up there.
你知道吗，我爸爸扮演的是父母中的好警察。 My dad played kind of the good cop out of the parents, you know.
你知道吗，这太有趣了。 You know, it was so funny.
他会说，如果我调皮的话，他会说，“贝琳达，去吧，她需要打屁股。” He would, like, if I acted up, he'll go, "Belinda, go, she needs a spanking."
然后，你知道，我妈妈打了我几下。 And then, you know, my mother give me a little spanking.
然后他会走进你的房间，“你还好吗？” And he'll go in your room, "Are you OK?"
“你想让我给你拿点冰淇淋吗？” "You want me to get you some ice cream?"
你知道。他总是要做个好人， You know. He always had to be the nice guy,
但他只是个爱开玩笑的人。喜欢开玩笑。 but he was just a practical joker. Loved to joke.
他总是到处玩耍，非常有爱心，非常有爱心。 He just always played around, very loving, very affectionate.
总是亲吻你的脸颊。 Always kissing your cheeks.
他会在清晨叫醒你，亲吻你的脸颊。 He'd wake you up in the morning kissing your cheeks.
“给我下巴，给我鼻子，”你知道的。所以他很有爱心 "Gimme jaws, gimme the nose," you know. So he was very loving
你会认为拳击手不会是那样的泰迪熊。 and you would think a boxer wouldn't be a teddy bear like that.
我刚和我爸爸玩得很开心。我一直想和他在一起。 I just had fun with my dad. I always wanted to be with him.
我就像是爸爸的女儿。 I was like a daddy's girl.
爸爸得走了。他要去训练了，你听到了吗？ Daddy's gotta leave. He's going into training, do you hear?
-爸爸要打架了.-我想和你一起去。 - Daddy's going to fight. - I want to go with you.
你想和我一起去吗？你不能。你会打架吗？ You wanna go with me? You can't. Can you fight?
你打架吗？不，你不打架。你不能去。 Do you fight? No, you don't fight. You can't go.
-给你.-是的，我去！ - Here you go. - Yes, I go!
不，爸爸要健身，你就呆在家里。你听到了吗？ No, Daddy going to get in shape and you stay at home. You hear?
-我想...我想和你一起去。-你想和我一起打架吗？好的。 - I wanna... I wanna go with you. - You wanna go fight with me? OK.
-来吧，甜心.-那个人要打架了！ - Come on, sweetheart. - The man gonna fight!
-谁会打架？-那个人. - Who gonna fight? - The man.
那个人？你爸爸。 The man? Your dad.
你能给我做些晚餐吗？ Would you please cook me some dinner?
我一整天都去上班，我一整天都在外面 I go to work all day, I've been out all day
当你所要做的就是躺在这个大房子里安逸地生活 and when all you have to do is to lay around in this big house and live easy
至少你可以按时吃我的饭。 and at least you can have my meal on time.
-女士，请问食物准备好了吗？-好了. - Woman, please, is the food ready? - Yes.
好的。赶快。我们去吃东西吧，梅。 All right. Come on. Let's go eat, May May.
有一样东西你不能弄乱，那就是有色人种的食物 There's one thing you don't mess with is colored folks' food
和有色人种的钱。 and colored folks' money.
赶快。来吧，亲爱的。 Come on. Come on, darlin'.
基尔罗伊：他爱他的孩子。 KILROY: He loved his children.
他爱他的孩子，但他是个幸福的人 He loved his children, but he was a blessed man
让贝琳达的爸爸妈妈照顾孩子 to have Belinda's mom and dad take care of the kids
当人们要求他成为一个世界性的人时。 when there was such a demand put on him as being a world man.
他要求来这里或去那里旅行，所以他的头衔，他的重量级腰带... He asked to travel here or travel there so his title, his heavyweight belt...
还有什么比那条重量级腰带更值钱的？ What was more valuable than that heavyweight belt
是让他的岳母抚养孩子，她做到了。 was having his mother-in-law raising the children, which she did.
她做得很好。 And she did a good job.
他以前很喜欢把谈话录下来 He used to love to tape record conversations
他总是说，“我要把你们录下来， and he would always say, "I'm gonna tape you guys,
等你长大了，你会喜欢这个，这些录像带的。 and when you're older you're gonna love this, these tapes."
当我父母离婚的时候，他总是这么做， And, um, he would always do it so when my parents got divorced,
他会打电话给我。“你好吗？你在做什么？” he would call me. "How you doing? What are you doing?"
“你长大后想做什么？” "What do you wanna be when you grow up?"
他总是告诉我，时间会飞逝，你知道，我会变老。 He would always tell me time is gonna fly, you know, I'm gonna be older.
我是说，他就像...他能预见到一些事情 I mean, he was just, like... he could foresee things
知道这些东西有多重要。 and knew how important those things would be.
阿里：玛丽安？-玛丽安：先生？ - ALI: Maryum? - MARYUM: Sir?
阿里：你现在11岁了。现在，你想上大学吗？ ALI: You're now 11 years old. Now, do you wanna go to college?
玛丽安：是的，先生。阿里：现在，你想在那里做什么？ - MARYUM: Yes, sir. - ALI: Now, what do you wanna do there?
真主创造的每一件事都有其目的。树是有目的的。 Everything Allah made has a purpose. Trees have a purpose.
-牛的作用是什么？-玛丽安：给我们牛奶。 - What's the purpose of a cow? - MARYUM: To give us milk.
阿里：好的。太阳的用途是什么？ ALI: OK. What's the purpose of the sun?
-太阳？-阿里：太阳. - MARYUM: The sun? - ALI: Sun.
-Maryum：给我们提供光和热。阿里：让东西长出来。 - MARYUM: To give us light and heat. - ALI: And make things grow.
所以上帝创造的一切，牛、马、月亮、星星、蚂蚁， So everything God made, the cows, horses, the moon, stars, ants,
每件事都有一个目的。 everything has a purpose.
现在，你的目的是什么？你是一个人。 Now, what's your purpose? You're a human being.
如果说上帝让太阳有了目的，那么人类也有了目的。 If God made the sun have a purpose, humans have a purpose too.
嘿，你还没有找到你的人生目标，是吗？ Hey, you haven't found your life purpose yet, have you?
玛丽安：是的。 MARYUM: Yes.
阿里：如果每个人生来都有目的，那你觉得你生来就是为了什么呢？ ALI: If everybodyb born for a purpose, what do you think you were born for?
Maryum：为了让人们感觉好一点。为人们牵线搭桥。 MARYUM: To make people feel better. To fix people up.
休：那很好。很好，玛丽安。 AU: That's good. That's good, Maryum.
男子：这场比赛，重量级世界锦标赛15轮。 MAN: This bout, 15 rounds for the heavyweight championship of the world.
来自肯塔基州路易斯维尔的挑战者卡修斯·克莱。 The challenger from Louisville, Kentucky, Cassius Clay.
他的对手来自科罗拉多州丹佛市， And his opponent from Denver, Colorado,
世界重量级冠军查尔斯·桑尼·利斯顿。 the heavyweight champion of the world, Charles Sonny Liston.
琼斯：到那时，阿里已经参加了19场职业拳击比赛。 JONES: Ali, by then, had had 19 professional fights.
他似乎并不是突然出现在现场的。 It wasn't as though he'd suddenly come upon the scene.
他得到了很好，很好的管理 He'd been properly, properly managed
从某种意义上说，呃，邓迪是个能干的红娘。 in the sense that, uh, Dundee was an expert match maker.
我是说，牵线搭桥是拳击中最棒的技巧之一。 I mean, match making is one of the great skills in boxing.
在正确的时间找到正确的人。 Finding the right guy at the right time.
琼斯：桑尼·利斯顿是个黑帮分子。我是说，他是个黑帮成员。 JONES: Sonny Liston was a gangster. I mean, he was a mob guy.
他的手很快，而且还能打拳。你不会对他掉以轻心。 He had fast hands and he could punch. You wouldn't take him lightly.
没有人像他当时那样给阿里或克莱一个机会。 Nobody gave, uh, Ali, or Clay as he then was, a chance.
利斯顿会杀了他的。在第一轮就杀了他。 Liston will kill him. Kill him in the first round.
三轮就是利斯顿了。 It'll be Liston in three rounds.
-利斯顿.-一，利斯顿。 - Liston. - One, Liston.
-第二轮，利斯顿.-利斯顿在四分钟内。 - Second round, Liston. - Liston in four.
利斯顿！ ALL: Liston!
-嗯，我支持利斯顿.-这家伙和谁打过架？ - Well, I am for Liston. - Who did this guy ever fight?
-谁？-是的 - Who? - Yeah.
克雷？-是的 - Clay? - Yeah.
我是说，阿里想要做的就是进入他的大脑。 I mean, what Ali set out to do was to get into his head.
而且，呃，你知道，阿里突然想到， And, uh, you know, it had occurred to Ali,
我想，呃，利斯顿认为他疯了。 I think, that, uh, Liston thought he was crazy.
阿里是个疯子。 That Ali was crazy.
-你没有机会！-让我们看看，让我们看看. - You ain't got a chance! - Let us see, let us see.
(大喊大叫) (SHOUTING)
琼斯：利斯顿，他处理不了这件事。 JONES: Liston, he can't deal with this.
一个拿着大锤子向他冲过来的家伙，他能应付过去， A fella coming at him with a sledgehammer, he could deal with it,
但是，好吧，“这家伙疯了，”你知道的。 but, well, "This fella's crazy," you know.
这就是他进入拳击场的方式。 And that's how he went into the ring.
嘿，退后！ Hey, get back!
我预测今晚会有人在场边死于休克。 I predict that tonight somebody will die at the ringside from shock.
解说员：世界重量级拳击冠军即将问鼎。 ANNOUNCER: The world heavyweight boxing title on the line.
想让桑尼去冲刺。 Looking to get Sonny to lunge.
琼斯：利斯顿以为他会赢这场比赛 JONES: Liston thought he was gonna win the fight
他的人认为他会赢得这场战斗， and his people thought he was gonna win the fight,
但是，嗯，这不是阿里看到的。 but, um, that wasn't what Ali saw.
播音员：第二轮比赛还剩不到一分钟。 ANNOUNCER: Less than one minute more in this second round.
又一次彻头彻尾的锤子射击。又来了一个！ Another downright hammer shot. There goes another one!
桑尼摇摇晃晃。抖动了一下。 Sonny wobbles. Got a wobble.
琼斯：这场战斗从来没有按照利斯顿的方式进行。 JONES: The fight never went Liston's way.
第六轮比赛结束时，利斯顿坐在凳子上说， At the end of the sixth round, Liston sat on the stool and said,
“就是这样，我已经做完了。” "That's it, I've finished."
播音员：他们可能正在阻止它。 ANNOUNCER: They might be stopping it.
女士们先生们，这可能已经结束了。 That might be over, ladies and gentlemen.
上去，乔，上去。站到拳台上来。 Get up there, Joe, get up there. Get up in the ring.
靠近麦克风。 Get near the microphone.
各位记者..。你们所有的记者都让利斯顿为难了。 All you reporters... all you reporters made it hard on Liston.
永远不要那样写我。千万别让我赢六赔一。 Never write about me like that. Never make me six to one.
你只会让我生气。永远，永远不要让我成为失败者， You just make me angry. Never, never make me no underdog,
永远不要谈论谁会阻止我。 and never talk about who's gonna stop me.
没人能阻止我。 Ain't nobody gonna stop me.
世界上没有重量级选手的速度足以阻挡我。 No heavyweight in the world's fast enough to stop me.
-谁是最伟大的？-记者：你下一个要跟谁打？ - Who's the greatest? - REPORTER: Who you gonna fight next?
(嘟嘟声) (BLEEPING)
所有：像蝴蝶一样飘浮，像蜜蜂一样刺痛。 ALL: Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
阿里：说，“像蝴蝶一样飘浮，像蜜蜂一样刺痛。” ALI: Say, "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. "
(Maryum笑了) (MARYUM LAUGHS)
-Maryum：像蜜蜂一样像苍蝇一样刺痛。阿里：你爸爸是谁？ - MARYUM: Sting like a fly like a bee. - ALI: Who's your daddy?
阿里：说吧。为爸爸说一声。 ALI: Say it. Say it for Daddy.
玛丽安：像蜜蜂一样漂浮，像蜜蜂一样刺痛。 MARYUM: Float like a bee, sting like a bee.
-阿里：你爸爸叫什么名字？-玛丽：穆罕默德·阿里！ - ALI: What's your daddy's name? - MARYUM: Muhammad Ali!
为什么你现在坚持被称为穆罕默德·阿里？ Why do you insist on being called Muhammad Ali now?
这是我的首席老师给我起的名字， That's the name given to me by my leading teacher,
尊贵的以利亚·穆罕默德。那是我的原名。 the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. That's my original name.
那是个黑人的名字。卡修斯·克莱是我的奴隶名字。 That's a black man name. Cassius Clay was my slave name.
-我不再是奴隶了。-这是什么意思？ - I'm no longer a slave. - What does it mean?
穆罕默德的意思是“值得所有的赞扬”，阿里的意思是“至高无上”。 Muhammad means "worthy of all praises," and Ali means "most high."
你打算以这个名义战斗吗？ Do you intend to fight under that name?
是的，先生。我希望别人叫我这个名字。我用这个名字签名。 Yes, sir. I wanna be called by that name. I write autographs with that name.
我想让全世界都知道我的名字。 I wanna be known all over the world as that name.
(掌声) (APPLAUSE)
那么，最初是什么吸引了你对伊斯兰教的兴趣？ What attracted you then to Islam in the first instance?
穆斯林宗教是伊莱贾·穆罕默德的真正教义 The Muslim religion is the true teachings of Elijah Muhammad
就在美国。 right there in America.
没有权力结构。没有人会挑战他。 No power structure. Nobody will challenge him.
以及我们自己的历史，我们真正的宗教的历史， And the history of ourselves, the history of our true religion,
我们的国籍，我们的名字。 our nationality, our names.
看，我们没有自己的名字，你知道的。 See, we don't have our names, you know.
我注意到你们都很自豪，为自己的名字骄傲。 I notice how proud you all are, proud of your names.
你看，中国人有像陈、冲、鲁、钦这样的名字。 See, Chinese have names like Chan, Chong, Lu, Chin.
这是伊斯兰教义。 This is Islamic teachings.
俄罗斯人有像科西金或赫鲁晓夫这样的名字。 The Russians have names like Kosygin or Khrushchev.
你有像奥康奈尔、格雷迪或肯尼迪这样的名字。 You have names like O'Connell or Grady or Kennedy.
而且，呃，非洲人有像Kumumba，Nkruma这样的名字。 And, uh, Africans have names like Kalumumba, Nkrumah.
犹太人有像温斯坦和戈德堡这样的名字。 And Jews got names like Weinstein and Goldberg.
意大利人有邓迪、本维努蒂和马尔恰诺这样的名字。 And Italians got names like Dundee and Benvenuti and Marciano.
但我们有像格雷迪、克雷、霍金斯和史密斯这样的名字 But we have names like Grady and Clay and Hawkins and Smith
琼斯和约翰逊，但我们是黑人。 and Jones and Johnson, but we are black.
-这些是奴隶的名字？-是的 - These are the slave names? - Yeah.
因此，当我听到这一点时，我知道了真相。都已经过去了。 So when I heard this I knew the truth. It's history.
所以穆罕默德·阿里是一个美丽的黑人名字。我们祖先的名字。 So Muhammad Ali is a beautiful black name. The name of our ancestors.
所以当我听到这个的时候，我不得不走出教堂和基督教 So when I heard this, I just had to walk out of the church and Christianity
因为他们从未教过我们真正的知识。 'cause they never taught us our true knowledge.
休：你出生在1960年--什么？ AU: You were born in nineteen-sixty-what?
玛丽安：八个。阿里：1968年。 - MARYUM: Eight. - ALI: 1968.
Au：爸爸赢得了1964年的冠军。 AU: Daddy won the title of 1964.
玛丽安：那是四年。 MARYUM: That's four years.
阿里：四年后！赢得了我的头衔，你就诞生了。 ALI: Four years after! Won my title, you were born.
你知道，我当时正在流亡中。 I was in exile at that time, you know.
他们夺走了我的头衔，因为我没有去越南。 They took my title because I didn't go to Vietnam.
-你还记得吗？-是的，先生. - Do you remember that? - MARYUM: Yes, sir.
奥：你太小了，记不起来了，但这已经是历史了。 AU: You were too small to remember, but it's history.
玛丽安：啊，但我知道这件事。-AU：你知道的。 - MARYUM: Ah, but I know about it. - AU: You know about it.
布朗：当我长大的时候，他也在长大。 BROWN: When I was growing up, he was growing up.
他比我年轻，但他在奥运会上是个大人物。 He was younger than me, but he was a big figure in the Olympics.
他有极强的个性。 He had a tremendous personality.
呃..。而且他对自己是黑人有一种态度。 Uh... and he had an attitude about being black.
而且，呃，那是我的游戏。我就是这样的人。 And, uh, that was my game. That's what I was.
那个黑人被洗脑了 The black man has been brainwashed
现在是他了解自己的时候了。 and it's time for him to learn something about hisself.
当你看电视时，你会看到白猫头鹰雪茄。 When you look at television, you see White Owl Cigars.
白天鹅香皂。斯金怀特香皂。白雨洗发水。 White Swan soap. SkinWhite soap. White Rain hair rinse.
白色龙卷风地板蜡。白色牙线牙膏。你去，呃，他... White Tornado floor wax. White floss toothpaste. You go, uh, he...
当他还是个小男孩的时候，他们就告诉他玛丽有一只小羊羔， They taught him when he was a little boy that Mary had a little lamb,
他的羊毛洁白如雪。(众笑) his fleece was white as snow. (LAUGHTER)
然后他们教他关于白雪公主的知识。(众笑) Then they taught him about Snow White. (LAUGHTER)
然后是白宫。(众笑) Then there's the White House. (LAUGHTER)
当你看电视时，你会看到这两辆车，一辆黑色的，一辆白色的， When you look at television, you see these two cars, one black and one white,
他们在每辆车里加了一加仑汽油。 and they put a gallon of gas in each one...
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
看看哪辆车能走得最远。 To see which car can go the farthest.
每一次，黑车先停下来，白车继续前行。 And every time the black car stopped first and the white car just kept going.
所以这就给黑人洗脑了。看见? So this brainwashes the negro. See?
我总是跟踪他，有机会了解他， I always followed him, got a chance to know him,
有机会和他一起工作。 got a chance to work with him.
他只是我生命中的一部分 He was just a part of my life
而且，呃，从我记事起他就很久以前了。 and, uh, he goes back as far as my memory goes.
(空袭警报) (AIR RAID SIREN)
记者：克莱第一次尝到了军旅生活的滋味，很可能也是他唯一的一次， REPORTER: Clay's first taste of military life, and quite possibly his only one,
是在入职培训中心，或称征召中心， was at the induction, or call-up centre,
在休斯顿的老邮局大楼。 at the Old Post Office building in Houston.
就在午餐前。都已经过去了。 Just before lunch. It's all over.
但克莱没有说出在私人仪式上发生了什么 But Clay is not telling what happened in the private ceremony
前进一步就意味着接受征召。 where one pace forward would have meant acceptance of the call-up.
为什么我和其他所谓的黑人要走一万英里， Why should me and other so-called negroes go 10,000 miles,
呃，离开家在美国投掷炸弹和子弹 uh, away from home here in America to drop bombs and bullets
其他无辜的，呃，棕色的人，他们从来没有打扰过我们？ on other innocent, uh, brown people who's never bothered us?
而且，呃，我会直接说， And, uh, I will say directly,
“不，我不会不远万里，呃，帮助杀害无辜的人。” "No, I will not go 10,000 miles to, uh, help kill innocent people."
基尔罗伊：穆罕默德·阿里拒绝征兵进入越南。 KILROY: Muhammad Ali refused the draft to go into Vietnam.
他认为这是一场不公正和邪恶的战争。 He believed it was an unjust and unholy war.
他说，如果越南人过来袭击这个国家， He said if the Vietnamese came over and attacked this country,
他将是第一个为其辩护的人。 he would be the first one to defend it.
黑人经济联盟执行董事约翰·伍腾， John Wooten, the Executive Director of the Black Economic Union,
呃，我打电话给他是因为我想让他得到顶尖的黑人运动员 uh, I called him because I wanted him to get the top black athletes
与穆罕默德·阿里会面，给他一个机会 to have a meeting with Muhammad Ali to give him an opportunity
讲述他那一边的故事， to tell his side of the story,
因为有太多关于他的生活的谣言 because there were so many rumors about, uh, his life
不去服役和他的宗教信仰。 and not going into service and his religion.
我们觉得如果我们从他那里得到真相并相信他， And we felt that if we got the truth from him and we believed him,
我们将成为一个支持他的机构。 that we would be a body that would support him.
我当时觉得他需要很多支持 And I felt he needed a lot of support at the time
因为他是在挑战美国政府。 because he was challenging the United States Government.
记者：九名顶级黑人运动员与卡修斯·克莱会面 REPORTER: Nine top negro athletes meet with Cassius Clay
来讨论他的反选秀立场。 to discuss his anti-draft stand.
他们包括比尔·拉塞尔、卢·阿尔辛多和前职业足球运动员吉米·布朗。 They include Bill Russell, Lew Alcindor, and former pro footballer Jimmy Brown.
呃，每个人都有机会和他交谈，审问他， Uh, everybody had a chance to talk to him, to question him,
表达他们的观点，表达他们的想法。 to give their opinions, to give their thoughts.
这是一次奇妙的会面，因为阿里从未表示过 And it was a fantastic meeting because at no time did Ali indicate
他在任何情况下都会服役。 that he would go into service under any circumstances.
记者：布朗说，这位冠军对他的宗教信仰是真诚的。 REPORTER: Says Brown, the champ is sincere in his religious beliefs.
他相信自己的宗教，他的立场完全建立在这一点上。 He believes in his religion and his stand is based wholly on that.
克莱的入职拒绝让他失去了头衔 Clay's induction refusal cost him his title
他可能面临五年监禁。 and he faces a possible five-year prison sentence.
作为黑人穆斯林信仰的牧师，他声称获得豁免。 He claims exemption as a minister of the Black Muslim faith.
那里的每一个人，呃，都非常钦佩 Each and every individual there, uh, admired tremendously
因为穆罕默德·阿里已经成为穆斯林。 because Muhammad Ali had become a Muslim.
当时被称为黑人穆斯林， At the time called a Black Muslim,
这是一个极具争议性的组织。 and that was a highly controversial organization.
以及任何与他们有关联的人 And anyone that was associated with them
会真正感受到体制的愤怒。 was going to really feel the wrath of the system.
布朗：当时美国所谓的黑人穆斯林， BROWN: The so-called Black Muslims in America at the time,
马尔科姆·X，以利亚·穆罕默德。 Malcolm X, Elijah Muhammad.
(咯咯地笑) (CHUCKLES)
这是非常，非常有争议的。 It was very, very controversial.
男：马尔科姆·X是个，嗯，很有魅力的人。一个令人敬畏的人，被许多人所敬畏。 MAN: Malcolm X was, um, a charismatic man. A feared man, by many.
呃，权力结构已经成功地创造了，呃， Uh, the power structure had successfully created, uh,
美国黑人没有自信，没有好斗的形象 the image of the American negro as someone with no confidence, no militancy
呃，他们给了他英雄的形象来做到这一点 and, uh, they had done this by giving him images of heroes
他们并不是真正的好战或自信。 that weren't truly militant or confident.
现在卡修斯来了，呃，一切都形成了鲜明的对比 And now here come Cassius, uh, the exact contrast of everything
这个，呃，代表了黑人形象。 that, uh, was representative of the negro image.
他说他是最棒的。所有的机会都对他不利。 He said he was the greatest. All of the odds were against him.
他让那些制造奇数的人感到不快。他赢了。他取得了胜利。 He upset the oddsmakers. He won. He became victorious.
他成为了冠军。他们知道一旦，呃， He became the champ. They knew that as soon as, uh,
如果人们开始认同卡修斯和他所塑造的形象， if people began to identify with Cassius and the type of image he was creating,
他们在这些黑人身上会有麻烦的 they were going to have trouble out of these negroes
因为他们会让黑人在街上走动 because they'd have negroes walking around the streets
说：“我是最棒的。” saying, "I'm the greatest."
我可以说出20位活动家的名字 I could name you 20 activists
这对这个国家的变化起到了一定作用。 that had a part in the change in this country.
你生活在歧视和种族主义的状态中。 You were living in a state of discrimination and racism.
因此，有一些杰出的个人愿意冒一切风险。 And so there were the outstanding individuals who would risk everything.
黑豹队拿起了武器。我是说，那是一个人们站起来的时代 The Panthers took up arms. I mean, it was a time of people standing up
和其他人蜷缩在一起。 and other people cowering down.
所以有很多人 So there were a lot of individuals
他们不仅在拿自己的职业生涯冒险，而且还在拿自己的生命冒险。 that were risking not only their careers, but their life.
那是一个..。社会革命的一部分。 That was a time of... of social revolution.
我们不寻求在混血中失去我们的身份 We are not seeking to lose our identity in blood mixing
和我们美丽的非洲黑人历史。 and our beautiful Black African history.
我们不恨你。我们并不讨厌你们这些白人。 We don't hate you. We don't hate those of you who are white.
我们只想保持黑人身份。我们喜欢我的颜色。我只爱我自己。 We just wanna stay black. We love my color. I just love myself.
我认为，在个人层面上，我一直在他身边 I think that, on a personal level, I've been around him
我觉得他有几件事真的很美。 and there's a couple of things about him that I think are really beautiful.
首先，他爱人。 First of all, he loves people.
我认为这是一个很好的特点 I thought that was a great trait
他有一种与人相处并让他们感觉良好的方式。 and he had a way of relating to people and making them feel good.
他曾经对我说， And he used to say to me,
“来吧，吉姆，我们到附近走走，和人们聊聊。” "Come on, Jim, let's walk in the neighborhood and talk to the people."
“好的，没关系，我和你一起去。” "Yeah, that's all right, I'll go with you."
见见人们，走进理发店。去，呃，美发沙龙。 Meet the people, go into the barber shops. Go into the, uh, hair salons.
而且，呃，他不是不喜欢白人。 And, uh, he didn't dislike white people.
他只是不喜欢很多白人所代表的东西， He just didn't like what a lot of white people stood for,
但当我们去英国时，他喜欢英国人。 but when we went to England, he enjoyed the English.
他甚至会和英国人在我的套房里狂欢， He would even party in my suite with the English people,
尤其是年轻女士。 particularly young ladies.
但是，呃...所以他的心，他对人的同情心， But, uh... So his heart, and his compassion for people,
不仅仅是黑人，我认为这一点很重要。 was bigger than just black people and I think that's important to know.
然后他有了很大的勇气。 And then he had a lot of courage.
他不得不冒的风险，然后被孤立，他的王冠被夺走。 The risk he had to take and then to be isolated, to have his crown taken away.
不能谋生。这太难了。 Not be able to make a living. That was difficult.
对自己保持一种态度，让这种个性继续前进 And to keep an attitude about himself, to keep that personality moving
即使内心深处，他也不得不承受很大的痛苦。 even though inside he had to be suffering a lot.
记者：克莱现在面临着持续时间不确定的游牧生活 REPORTER: Clay now faces a nomadic existence of uncertain duration
分布在全美各地的法院和会议室之间。 divided between courthouses and meeting houses all over America.
他的职业已不复存在。他似乎不太可能在很长一段时间内再次拳击。 His occupation's gone. He seems unlikely to box again for a long time.
爱国者嘲笑他。和平党为他鼓掌。 Patriots deride him. The Peace Party applaud him.
他的黑人穆斯林朋友让他不会犹豫不决。 His Black Muslim friends keep him from faltering.
他是否有足够的智力设备值得怀疑。 It's doubtful whether he has the intellectual equipment
为了评估这些压力， to evaluate these pressures,
但在这一切之下，他保持着尊严和安宁 but under them all he keeps a dignity and repose
这让人很难断言他不是懦弱就是不诚实。 which make it difficult to maintain that he's either cowardly or dishonest.
基尔罗伊：我在纽约给他介绍了一个人， KILROY: I hooked him up with a fella in New York City,
他让他在大学里讲课 and he had him doing the college lecturing
他去了大学校园 and he went out on the college campuses
他做了演讲，所有的大学都喜欢他。 and he did the lecturing and all the colleges loved him.
他被哈佛大学、耶鲁大学、普林斯顿大学、哥伦比亚大学、宾夕法尼亚大学录取。 He was accepted Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn.
所有的学校，更大的学校，他就像他们的英雄。 All of the schools, the bigger schools, and he was like their hero.
(欢呼声) (CHEERING)
我很荣幸能来到这里， I'm very flattered in coming here,
因为几年前我还是个... because you never could have made me believe years ago when I was a...
当我高中毕业时，我的平均成绩是D-。 When I got out of high school with a D minus average.
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
他们给了我“减分”，因为我赢得了奥运会。 And they gave me the "minus" because I won the Olympics.
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
我明白，呃，像你们这样的人 I understand that, uh, out of people such as y'all
来吧，总统、州长和市长 come presidents and governors and mayors
伟大的医生、内科医生、科学家等等。 and great doctors and physicians and scientists and everything.
所以我说，“嗯，为了找点事做，跟这些人谈谈”， So I said, "Well, to get something together, to talk to these people",
它一定很重。“(笑声) it's gotta be pretty heavy." (LAUGHTER)
所以我没有带便条。(众笑) So I didn't bring no notes with me. (LAUGHTER)
你很高兴被扔掉了 You are happy to have thrown away
也许是自为理想而战以来最伟大的体育生涯。 perhaps the greatest sports career since the war for the ideals.
我没有把它扔掉。我没有失去它。 I haven't thrown it away. I haven't lost it.
我会说我拒绝了。我不是，呃..。 I would say I turned it down. I'm not, uh...
你看，最伟大的体育头衔什么都不是，先生， See, the greatest sports title mean nothing, mister,
如果你不能自由，明白吗？ if you cannot be free, see?
你可能会说，越南的男孩们正在抛弃他们的生命。 Boys in Vietnam are throwing away, you may say, their lives.
我还没做那么多。我还活着。 I haven't did that much. I'm still living.
他们今天为解放一个他们不认识的人而死， They are dying today to free somebody they don't know,
那么，一个重量级冠军头衔和几张臭气熏天的美元钞票到底是什么？ so what in the hell is a heavyweight title and a few stinking dollar bills
为了我的人民的自由？ for my people's freedom?
男：我是做广告的，《时尚先生》的编辑哈罗德·海耶斯， MAN: I'm an advertising guy, and the, uh, editor of Esquire, Harold Hayes,
找到我，呃，读到关于我是个艺术指导的报道。 came to me and, uh, was reading about me being a hotshot art director.
我看过，呃，穆罕默德打架的录像。 I had seen, uh, footage of Muhammad fighting.
我说，“哇，哇！” I said, "Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa!"
“什么？哇，这孩子真了不起。” "What? Whoa. This kid is something."
嗯!他在哪里？ Yeah! Where's he at'?
我是拳台之王！我是历史上最伟大的人！ I'm the king of the ring! I'm the biggest thing in history!
露易丝：一个年轻的黑人孩子，嘴巴大，说话有道理。 LOIS: A young black kid with a big mouth, talking sense.
呃，是的，那时候很棒。 Uh, yeah, it was wonderful back then.
我是说，他们还在南方把人吊起来。 I mean, they were still hanging guys down in the South.
费希尔：阿里在越南战争期间拒绝应征入伍， FISCHER: Ali refused to be drafted during the Vietnam War,
正因为如此， and because of that
在那段时间里，他失去了他最好的拳击生涯。 he lost the very best boxing years he had during that time
因为拳击手不会永远长存。 because boxers don't last forever.
露易丝，她是封面艺术总监 And so Lois, who was the cover art director
当时《绅士》杂志的一位记者说，“我们为什么不把他当做烈士呢？” of Esquire magazine at the time, said, "Why don't we do him as a martyr?"
我对编辑哈罗德·海耶斯说， I said to Harold Hayes, the editor, I said,
“我认为穆罕默德·阿里是个伟人。你呢？” "I think Muhammad Ali's a great man. How about you?"
他说：“是的，我想是的。”于是他说：“你想做什么？” He said, "Yeah, I think so." So he said, "What do you wanna do?"
“我要让他扮成圣人塞巴斯蒂安。” "I'm gonna have him posing as Saint Sebastian."
“他是祖国的烈士，他的宗教的烈士， "A martyr to his country, a martyr to his religion,
作为他对生活的看法的殉道者。 as a martyr to what he thinks about life."
“哇。”我打电话给穆罕默德，于是他来到了纽约 "Wow." I call up Muhammad and so he comes to New York
然后，呃，我给他看了一张圣塞巴斯蒂安画的明信片 and, uh, I show him a postcard of a Saint Sebastian painting
身体在那里安息，但他的头在折磨中。 where the body was in repose, but his head was in torment.
我说，“穆罕默德，我要你摆这样的姿势。我要你...” And I said, "Muhammad, I want you to pose like this. I want you to..."
他看着它说：“嘿，乔治，这只猫是基督徒。” And he looks at it and he says, "Hey, George, this cat's a Christian."
我说：“神圣的摩西，你说得对，穆罕默德。” I said, "Holy Moses, you're right, Muhammad."
“对，对，圣塞巴斯蒂安。” "Yeah, yeah, Saint Sebastian."
我很快意识到 And I realized very quickly
他说穆斯林不能伪装成基督徒。 he was saying a Muslim can't pose as a Christian.
哇哦。我得做这个封面。什么，什么..。 Whoa. Gotta do this cover. What, what...
“我做不到。”“我们能做些什么？” "I can't do it." "What can we do?"
“我们能叫以利亚·穆罕默德吗？”“我想是的。” "Can we call Elijah Muhammad?" "I guess so."
聊一聊，给我打个电话 Have a little bit of a conversation, puts me on the phone
我做了一个大约15分钟的关于宗教和象征主义的演讲 and I had, like, a 15-minute talk about religion and symbolism
以及图像制作，等等，与以利亚·穆罕默德。 and image making, etc, etc, with Elijah Muhammad.
这是一次有趣的谈话。我希望我有一盘录像带。 It was a funny conversation. I wish I had a tape of it.
最后，以利亚·穆罕默德对我说：“年轻人，” And, finally, Elijah Muhammad said to me, "Young man,"
那时我还很年轻，嗯，“我认为这会是一个非常棒的形象。” and I was a young man then, uh, "I think it would make a terrific image."
因为箭矢不断地落下，所以花了很多时间，而且阿里必须保持静止，这不是他的风格。 It took a long time because the arrows kept falling down
但他非常有合作精神，非常有帮助。 and Ali had to stand still, which is not his style.
我们编造了一些笑话，让他开心。 But he was very cooperative, very helpful.
他在摆姿势。双手背在背后，头痛，心烦。 We made funny stories and kept him amused.
美丽的画面。 He's posing, hands behind his back, head in pain, head in anguish.
我们开始拍摄，试图拍照，他说：“嗨，乔治。” Beautiful image.
我说：“什么，穆罕默德？”“嗨，乔治。” And we're starting to shoot, trying to photograph, and he said, "Hey, George."
我说：“穆罕默德，什么？摆姿势。做你的工作。快点。” I said, "What, Muhammad?" "Hey, George."
“嗨，乔治。”当他做三个“嗨，乔治”的时候。你必须...他想说些什么。“什么？”他慢慢地但肯定地，指着每一个箭头，说道，“林登·约翰逊、韦斯特摩兰将军、罗伯特·麦克纳马拉、迪安·罗斯克、卡尔·克利福德、哈伯特·洪伯格。”他指着六门大炮，那些炮就是用来射杀他的。我被那光亮、聪明、几乎感伤的景象所震惊。当封面揭开时，它绝对让数百万人的心为之震撼。我的意思是，我见过数百人来找我，谈论那封面对他们造成的影响。如果你不想参战，那你就是懦夫或者叛徒。而……或者你是个笨蛋或者你胆小等等。然后……然后出现了最男子气概的人，忘记战斗机吧。那个曾经生活过的人，他成为了年轻人一个难以置信的象征，你知道的。所以我为他感到骄傲，不仅因为他帮助了穆罕默德，还因为帮助我们对抗战争。基洛伊：最后他拿到了执照。他说：“好吧，也许我们应该自己建立一个训练营。”这就是我们所做的。我的意思是，这里有一个和他一样大的家伙。 I said, "Muhammad, what? Pose. Do your job. Come on."
他不需要付钱让别人租他们的健身房。 "Hey, George." When he does three "Hey, George"s, you've gotta...
他有自己的地方，并且自己设计了所有的东西。他称之为“战士天堂”。 He wants to say something. "What?"
null And slowly but surely, he pointed to each of the arrows and he said,
null "Lyndon Johnson, General Westmoreland, Robert McNamara,
null Dean Rusk, Carl Clifford, Hubert Humphrey."
null He pointed to six tonnentors
null that had fired the arrows that were out to get him.
null I was stunned how bright it was, how smart.
null How almost poignant.
null When the cover came out, it absolutely blew the minds of millions of people.
null I mean, I've had hundreds of people come up to me
null and talk to me about what that cover did to them.
null If you didn't wanna fight in the war, you were a coward or you were a traitor.
null And... or you were a nerd or you were fearful, etc.
null And along... and along comes the most manly person,
null forget about fighter, that ever lived
null and he became an incredible symbol specifically to young people, you know.
null So I'm proud of it for, not only for helping Muhammad,
null but helping to fight against the war.
null KILROY: Finally he got the license back.
null He said, "Well, maybe we should get our own training camp."
null So that's what we did. I mean, here's a guy as big as he was.
null He didn't have to pay someone to have to rent their gym.
null He had his own place and he designed all of it. He called it Fighter's Heaven.
这些是我们专门为孩子们买的小马。 These are the little ponies we bought just for children.
在夏天，当孩子们长大的时候， In summertime when the children come up,
我们给小马装上鞍子，让它们骑着它们到处跑。 we saddle up ponies and let 'em ride around on 'em.
-海克尔和杰基尔。-海克尔和杰基尔？！ - Heckle and Jekyll. - Heckle and Jekyll?!
嗯。哈克和杰基尔，穆特和杰夫。 Yeah. Heckle and Jekyll, Mutt and Jeff.
赫克和杰基尔，还有穆特和杰夫。(咯咯地笑) Heckle and Jekyll, and Mutt and Jeff. (CHUCKLES)
阿里：我的妻子。我妻子给这些马起了名字。 ALI: My wife. My wife names all these horses.
阿里：你看到的这些小屋和东西，都是我们从头开始建造的。 ALI: These cabins and things you see, we built all this from the ground up.
小时候，我一直想在一个真正的训练营里训练 And I always, as a kid, wanted to train in a real training camp
有原木，有岩石，有树木，有树林。 with the logs and the rocks and the trees and the woods.
我们有酒店账单，所以我建造了自己的小屋，让战士们住在里面。 We had hotel bills, so I built my own cabins for the fighters to stay in.
然后我们有了吃饭账单，所以我在这里建了自己的厨房。 Then we had eating bills, so I built my own kitchen around heres.
基尔罗伊：他的父母会来做饭，他的姑妈科雷塔也会来做饭。 KILROY: His mom and dad would come up and cook, and his Aunt Coretta.
那是他的领地。他爱死它了。他喜欢它的每一个部分。 That was his domain. He loved it. He loved every part of it.
他的兄弟拉哈曼也在那里。这是他创造的东西。 His brother Rahaman was there. It was something that he created.
-这是我的兄弟，拉哈曼·阿里-嗨. - This is my brother here, Rahaman Ali. - Hi.
他只是..。他刚起床。他喜欢睡觉和吃饭。 He just... he just got up. He likes to sleep and eat.
他刚起床。他是来梳子的。 He just got up. He's come to get a comb.
他工作很努力，这就是为什么他要睡觉和吃饭。 He works hard, so it's why he's gotta sleep and eat.
他工作很努力。我把它们都用上了。 He works so hard. I put 'em all to work.
梳子应该在那里的洗手间。 The comb should be in the restroom there.
基尔罗伊：永远对公众开放。所有的人都会来那里， KILROY: Always open to the public. All the people would come by there,
这真的就像是世界的拳击圣地。 and it was really like the boxing shrine of the world.
他很享受，有很多伟大的冠军来到那里训练。 He enjoyed it and there was a lot of great champions came up there to train.
很多名人都到那里来参观。 A lot of celebrities came by to visit there.
琼斯：我去了他的训练营，和他一起上了拳击场。 JONES: I went up to his training camp and I got in the ring with him.
你知道，只是为了..。(笑)只是为了好玩。 You know, just for... (LAUGHS) Just for fun.
所以，嗯，我说，你知道，“放松点，你知道的”， So, um, I said, you know, "Take it easy, you know",
因为我们要怎么走，你知道，我们要怎么做？“ because how are we gonna get around, you know, how are we gonna do this?"
“别担心这件事。”他说：“别担心，上车就行了。” "Don't worry about it." He said, "Just don't worry about it. Just get in."
然后他开始，你知道的. So then he started to, you know...
然后试图让我有点激动，你知道的， And then tried to wind me up a little bit, you know,
他说：“触发器。你叫我触发器，对吗？是触发器，对吗？” and he said, "Trigger. You called me Trigger, right? It was Trigger, right?"
我说：“我什么都没叫你。”“是的，你做到了，”你知道的。 I said, "I didn't call you anything." "Yes, you did," you know.
所以我们就...于是我们就开始了。 So we just... So then we started.
所以他说，你知道的，“朝我扔东西。” So he said, you know, "Throw something at me."
所以我投了一记，嗯，一记左拳和一记右拳。 So I threw a, um, a left jab and a right cross.
你知道，不是很难，因为我不想让他打我。 You know, not hard, because I didn't want him to hit me.
所以这就像，你知道，砰，砰，他们都联系在一起了 So it was like, you know, bang, bang and they both connected
然后他就自动抛出了一记左拳 and he threw out a left, you know, just automatically
你知道，这让我措手不及。这件事的结局让我措手不及。 that, you know, just caught me. The end of it just caught me.
我想，“哦，你知道，我的牙齿，” And I thought, "Oh, you know, my teeth,"
因为我没有戴任何，嗯，口罩。 because I wasn't wearing any, um, mouthpieces.
你知道，那只是一件友善的小事。 You know, it was just a friendly little thing there.
但仅仅是和这个人站在拳台上，你知道... But just to stand in the ring with this man and just, you know...
他会把他扔给我的每一件事都发电报。 He would telegraph everything he was throwing at me.
你知道，谢天谢地，这只是一个小小的乐趣。 You know, it was only, thank God, a bit of fun.
只是为了阻止他的胳膊伸向你，你知道的， And just to block his arms coming at you, you know,
即使你认识每一个人，他只是，你知道，那样做... even though you knew each one he was just, you know, doing that...
我想，“天哪。” I thought, "Good God."
我的意思是，进入那里与这个人真正战斗一定很可怕。 I mean, to get in there to fight this man for real must be terrifying.
然后阿里对我说，你知道， So then Ali says to me, you know,
“就，就扔一个，你知道的，为了……” "Just, just throw one, you know, for the..."
所以我说，“哦，好的，”你知道的。所以我就这样走了，他摔倒了。 So I said, "Oh, OK," you know. So I went like this and he dropped.
他在，你知道，在地板上的拳击场上 And he's on the, you know, in the ring on the floor
然后，你知道，我站在他旁边，就像这样。 and, you know, and I'm standing over him like, like this.
因为，你知道，这只是为了宣传。 'Cause, you know, it's just for publicity.
显然，吉恩·基尔罗伊告诉我 And, apparently, Gene Kilroy was telling me
当这些照片传遍全世界的时候， that, um, when the photos went all over the world,
阿里的一些粉丝很担心，说，嗯，阿里现在应该停下来了。 some of Ali's fans were concerned and said that, um, Ali should stop now.
如果汤姆·琼斯能打倒他，你明白我的意思， If Tom Jones can knock him down, you know what I mean,
那他就应该停止拳击了。(笑) then he should stop boxing. (LAUGHS)
基尔罗伊：我们有一次在宾夕法尼亚州的鹿湖 KILROY: We were in Deer Lake, Pennsylvania, one time
那里有一个看起来很虚弱的小男孩 and there was a little boy there who looked frail
他想见见穆罕默德·阿里。 and he wanted to meet Muhammad Ali.
我说，“没问题，”然后我把男孩和他爸爸带了进来。 I said, "No problem," and I brought the boy in and his dad.
穆罕默德看着那个男孩说， Muhammad looked at the boy and he said,
“你为什么戴这个热帽子？”他说，“今天外面太热了。” "Why do you have this hot wool hat on?" He said, "it's so hot out there today."
他说，“我得了白血病，把所有的头发都掉了。我要接受化疗。” He said, "I got leukemia and I lost all my hair. I'm getting this chemo."
阿里说，“我要告诉你什么。” And Ali said, "I'll tell you what."
“我要打败乔治·福尔曼，你就得打败白血病。” "I'm gonna beat George Foreman and you're gonna beat leukemia."
男孩看着他。 The boy looked at him.
他说，“哦，我希望你是对的，阿里，我希望你是对的。 He said, "Oh, I hope you're right, Ali, I hope you're right."
我去了，拿起了我的相机，拍下了那个小男孩和阿里的照片。 I went and I got my camera and I took a picture of the little boy and Ali.
我还得到了父亲的地址。我让阿里在照片上写上， And I got the father's address. I had Ali write on the picture,
"I am gonna beat George Foreman and you're gonna beat cancer." "I am gonna beat George Foreman and you're gonna beat cancer."
"上帝保佑你，穆罕默德·阿里。"大约两周后，我接到一个电话。电话里说，那个男孩的父亲，他说， "God bless you, Muhammad Ali."
“吉米病得很重。他在宾夕法尼亚大学医院。” So about two weeks later I get a call. It said, the boy's father, he said,
“他不会挺过去的，但他生命中最激动人心的时刻是与穆罕默德·阿里会面。” "Jimmy's very sick. He's in the University of Pennsylvania Hospital."
我说，“天哪，听到这个我很遗憾。我们能做些什么？” “没有。”所以第二天早上我们正在做路面工作， "He's not gonna make it, but the thrill of his life was meeting Muhammad Ali."
凌晨4点30分，太阳升起之前，他可以跑步， I said, "Jeez, I'm sorry to hear it. Is there anything we can do?" "No."
我告诉他关于那个男孩的事。 So that next morning we're doing roadwork,
他说：“好吧，这是我们要做的。” 4:30 in the morning before the sun is up, when he can run,
“等我做完所有的锻炼，我所有的东西， and I tell him about the boy.
我们去洗个澡，然后下医院去。”所以我们去了宾夕法尼亚大学医院，坐了两小时的火车就到了。这里有个小男孩，裹着一块白布。白孩子，没有头发，大大的蓝眼睛。他说：“穆罕默德，我知道你会来的。”穆罕默德伸手去抱那个小男孩。他说：“记住，我告诉过你，你会战胜癌症的，而且我会战胜乔治·福尔曼，这就是我的方式。那个男孩说：“不，穆罕默德”，我要见上帝，并且我要告诉他我知道你。在返回的路上，两个小时里一句话也没说。大约一周后，那孩子死了。父亲打电话给我，阿里说他不想去参加葬礼。 He said, "OK, here's what we're gonna do."
null "When I get done, my exercise and all,
null we take a shower, we head down to the hospital."
null So we go down to the University of Pennsylvania Hospital,
null a two-hour ride, and we went in.
null Here's the little boy with a white sheet.
null White kid, no hair, big blue eyes.
null And he said, "Muhammad, I knew you would come."
null And Muhammad reached and he held the little boy.
null He said, "Remember, I told you that you are gonna beat cancer"
null and I'm gonna beat George Foreman and that's the way it's gonna be."
null And the little boy said, "No, Muhammad",
null I'm gonna meet God and I'm gonna tell Him that I know you."
null There wasn't a word said in the two-hour ride going back.
null About a week later, the little boy died.
null The father called me and Ali said he didn't want to go to the funeral.
太悲哀了。所以我去参加了葬礼 It was too sad. So I went over to the funeral
在棺材里，他们把男孩放在那里，他们把照片放在那里。 and in the casket, they had the boy laid out and they had the picture there.
“我会打败乔治·福尔曼，你也会战胜癌症。” "I'm gonna beat George Foreman, you're gonna beat cancer."
这个男孩要去天堂，说他是穆罕默德·阿里的朋友 The boy was gonna go to Heaven and say he was a friend of Muhammad Ali's
为了得到一个更好的座位或更好的地方。 to get a better seat or a better place.
那是.。这是一种极大的赞扬，不是吗？ That's... that's a great compliment, isn't it?
(电话拨号) (PHONE DIALING)
-阿联酋：穆罕默德？-穆罕默德：什么？ - AU: Muhammad? - MUHAMMAD: What?
阿里：我打赌你不了解你的ABC。穆罕默德：我愿意！ - ALI: I bet you don't know your ABCs. - MUHAMMAD: I do!
阿里：不，你不知道-穆罕默德：不，我知道！ - ALI: No, you don't. - MUHAMMAD: Yes, I do!
休：让我听听你的声音。 AU: Let me hear you.
穆罕默德：A、B、C、D、E、F、G。 MUHAMMAD: A, B, C, D, E, F, G.
H，I，J，K，L，M，N，O，P。 H, I,J, K,L, M,N, O,P.
Q，R，S，T，U，V。 Q, R, S, T, U, V.
W、X、Y和Z。 W, X, Y and Z.
现在我知道我的ABC了。 Now I know my ABCs.
赢了！你来和我一起玩吗？ Won'! You come and play with me?
阿里：嘿，嘿。我爱你，穆罕默德。 ALI: Hey, hey. Ooh, I love you, Muhammad.
我只是太爱你了。我每天都在想你。我想念你。 I just love you so much. I think about you every day. I miss you.
穆罕默德：在我看来，他并不出名。 MUHAMMAD: It doesn't come to me as him being famous.
他要当爸爸了。这真的没有让我感到不安 He's being Dad. It really didn't faze me any
因为我觉得我和其他人一样，好像爸爸就是爸爸。 because I feel like everybody else, like Dad is Dad.
我和拉希达、贾米拉和玛丽安一起长大。 I grew up with Rasheda, Jamillah and Maryum.
我们是一个亲密的家庭，我们知道我们的其他兄弟姐妹。 We was a close-knit family and we knew about our other siblings.
我们会说，比如说，我们有暑假或寒假， We would go, like, say we had summer or winter break out of school,
我们要去加利福尼亚，他住在弗里蒙特庄园 we would go to California where he stayed at the Fremont Place
我们会和我们所有的兄弟姐妹见面。 and we would meet up with all of our other siblings.
我们玩得很开心。我们会在游泳池里游泳，骑自行车。 We had fun. We'd swim in pool, bike ride.
他以前总是变魔术什么的。 He used to always do magic tricks and stuff.
我在学校出了点问题，因为很多孩子都想看 I had a bit of a problem in school because a lot of kids wanted to see
如果我能像我父亲那样战斗，我真的不想这么做。 if I could fight like my father, and I really didn't wanna do so.
所以他们会经常找我的麻烦。 So they would pick on me a lot.
我从来都不想成为聚光灯下的人。这对我来说真的不是生活。 I never really wanted to be in the limelight. It's really no life for me.
我只想做一个正常的孩子。 I just wanted to be a normal child.
他实际上对我说，“我不想让你像我一样。” He actually said to me, "I don't want you to be like me."
“我希望你比我做得更好。” "I want you to be better than me."
所以你怎么才能比最棒的更好呢，嗯？ So how can you be better than the greatest, huh?
(笑) (LAUGHS)
阿里：那人有麻烦了。 ALI: The man's in trouble.
(掌声) (APPLAUSE)
阿里：听着，乔治·福尔曼。人们害怕乔治·福尔曼。 ALI: Listen, George Foreman. People are afraid of George Foreman.
他们谈论他打得有多重。这个世界被欺骗了。 They talk about how hard he hits. The world has been deceived.
你现在听我说。我从来没有对你说错过。这个男人打得不重。 You listen to me now. I've never told you wrong. The man don't hit hard.
这将是自桑尼·利斯顿以来最大的失望 This will be the biggest upset since Sonny Liston
我认为我退出拳击比赛就像我来拳击比赛一样， and I think it is befitting that I go out of boxing just like I came in,
打败了一个没人能消灭的大怪物。 defeating a big, bad monster that nobody could destroy.
一记重拳。我是失败者。 A hard punch. I'm the underdog.
如果他打我，我就有麻烦了，就像桑尼·利斯顿的比赛一样， If he hits me, I'm in trouble, like the Sonny Liston fight,
但我回来了，我震惊了世界，我得到了利斯顿。 but I came back and I shook the world and I got Liston.
现在距离桑尼·利斯顿已经十年了。 Now it's ten years since Sonny Liston.
我要去见另一个又大又坏又强壮的怪兽，淘气艺人。 I'm meeting another big, bad, strong monster, knock-out artist.
他是个恶霸。他动作很慢。他没有技术，没有步法。 He's a bully. He's slow. He has no skill, no footwork.
他很笨拙，我给他起了个名字。 He's awkward and I have given him a name.
我给弗洛伊德·帕特森取名为兔子。我给桑尼·利斯顿取名为熊。 I named Floyd Patterson The Rabbit. I named Sonny Liston The Bear.
他将被正式称为木乃伊。 And he shall be known officially as The Mummy.
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
-木乃伊。为什么？-采访者：为什么是木乃伊？ - The Mummy. Why? - INTERVIEWER: Why The Mummy?
因为他打架，当他打架的时候，如果你看过他在拳击场上， Because he fights, when he's fighting, if you ever watch him in the ring,
他，他就那样拖着他的对手。 he, he, he, he drags like that after his opponent.
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
木乃伊怎么抓到我呢？ And how's The Mummy gonna catch me?
当你和木乃伊战斗时，你只要比木乃伊领先一步。 When you're fighting The Mummy, you just keep a step ahead of The Mummy.
-是啊，是啊.-看到了吗？ - Yeah, yeah. - See?
是啊，继续前进吧，木乃伊。 Yeah, just move on, The Mummy.
“不，妈妈，我在这里。不，妈妈，我在这里。” "No, Mummy, I'm over here. No, Mummy, I'm over here."
是啊，不，你走得太快了。木乃伊不会走得那么快。 Yeah, no, you're moving too fast. The Mummy don't move that fast.
基罗伊：我记得我们离开鹿湖的那一天。 KILROY: I remember the day we left Deer Lake.
我们要去非洲的扎伊尔。 We were going to Zaire, Africa.
在我们离开营地之前，阿里跑了进来，给库斯·达马托打了电话。 Before we left the camp, and Ali ran in and he called Cus D'Amato.
他说：“古斯，我该怎么对付这个家伙？” He said, "Gus, how do I fight this guy?"
库斯说：“他是个欺凌弱小的人。” Cus said, "He is a bully-type individual."
你的第一拳必须是……怀着邪恶的意图，毁灭性的坚韧。 "Your first punch must be with... with bad intentions, devastating tenacity."
我上了车，说：“格斯，看看乔治·福尔曼对肯尼·诺顿做了什么。” I got on and I said, "Gus, look what George Foreman did to Kenny Norton."
“看看他对乔·弗雷泽做了什么。”库斯大喊大叫。他当时在纽约。 "Look what he did to Joe Frazier." And Cus yelled. He was in New York.
从纽约到宾夕法尼亚州的鹿湖我都能听到他的声音 I could have heard him from New York to Deer Lake, Pennsylvania
不带手机。 without the phone.
他说：“但他们不是阿里！” He said, "But they're not Ali!"
基尔罗伊：我们乘坐扎伊尔航空公司的飞机。全是黑人，全是黑人飞行员。 KILROY: We flew Air Zaire. All black people, all black pilots.
在飞过的路上，阿里对他们说他想见见飞行员。 And on the way over Ali was saying to them he wanted to meet the pilots.
“你多大了？23？27？” "How old are you? 23? 27?"
阿里说，“看，如果黑人有机会这么做的话”， Ali said, "See, if black people get the chance to do it",
他们可以在生活中有所作为。他相信这一点。 they could do something in life." He believed it.
突然，我们遇到了一些颠簸，阿里有点害怕。 And all of a sudden we hit some turbulence and Ali got a little scared.
他说：“我希望那些年轻的飞行员和老飞行员一样聪明。” He said, "I hope those young pilots are as smart as the old pilots."
他谈到了与乔治·福尔曼的战斗。“库斯是对的，他是个恶霸。” He talked about fighting George Foreman. "Cus is right, he's a bully."
“我知道该怎么做，我知道怎么跟他打。” "I know just what to do. I know how to fight him."
基尔罗伊：当我们走下飞机时，阿里转向我。 KILROY: As we were walking off the airplane, Ali turned to me.
他说：“他们不喜欢这里的谁？” He said, "Who don't they like here?"
我说：“我猜他们不喜欢白人。” I said, "I guess they don't like the white people."
“不，不，我不能说乔治·福尔曼是白人。还有谁？” "No, no, I can't say George Foreman's white. Who else?"
我说，“比利时人，”阿里喊道，“乔治·福尔曼是比利时人！” I say, "The Belgians," and Ali yelled, "George Foreman's a Belgian!"
每个人都开始大喊，“阿里，波玛，阿里，波玛！” And everybody started yelling, "Ali, boma y. Ali, boma y!"
我转向我们的翻译。我说：“他们说了什么？” And I turned to our interpreter. I said, "What did they say?"
他说：“他们说，‘杀了他，杀了他。’” He said, "They say, 'Kill him. Kill him."'
一群人：穆罕默德·阿里！ AN IN CROWD: Muhammad Ali!
(传统音乐) (TRADITIONAL MUSIC)
安：穆罕默德·阿里！ AN: Muhammad Ali!
当乔治·福尔曼和他的随行人员到达时， KILROY: When George Foreman arrived with his entourage,
他的陪练，在这里他有一位忠实的同伴， his sparring partners, here he has one of his loyal companions,
一只名叫迭戈的德国牧羊犬。 a German Shepherd dog by the name of Diego.
比利时人过去常常把德国牧羊犬放在黑人身上。 The Belgians used to put the German Shepherds on the black people.
我知道我们可以自由回家了。 I knew we were home free.
基尔罗伊：我们在扎伊尔作战是一种福气， KILROY: It was a blessing that we fought in Zaire,
因为没人能打扰我们。 because no-one could bother us.
我们有时间彼此相处。你知道吗，我们在那里有自己的厨师。 We had time for each other. You know, we had our own cook there.
我们有自己的电影。我们玩得很开心。 We had our own movies. We had it nice.
阿里喜欢他的父母和他的兄弟在那里的时候。 Ali loved it when his mom and dad was there, and his brother.
他想让他们以他为荣。 He wanted to make 'em proud of him.
向他们展示什么才能真正在生活中有所成就。 Show 'em what it was to really achieve something in life.
回到乔治·福尔曼身上，他为什么不在这里？ Getting back on George Foreman, why he's not here?
-别管再上车了。-你的意思是，不要紧？ - Never mind about getting back on. - What you mean, never mind?
为什么，他总是躲躲闪闪。这让我很生气。 Why, he's always ducking. That makes me mad.
桑尼·利斯顿扼杀了比赛，弗洛伊德·帕特森每年打架一次， Sonny Liston killed the game and Floyd Patterson fighting once a year,
而前几天在记者招待会上的这名男子。 and now this man who was at a press conference the other day.
他不肯说话。 He wouldn't talk.
他派了一个叫迪克·萨德勒的秃头男人来替他说话。 He sends this bald-headed man over, Dick Sadler, to talk for him.
然后，然后，然后有一天他没有露面。 And then, then, then he didn't show up the other day.
萨德勒：别烦我了。 SADLER: Get off my head.
听。我要像蝴蝶一样飘浮，像蜜蜂一样刺痛。 Listen. I'm gonna float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.
乔治打不中眼睛看不见的东西。 George can't hit what his eyes can't see.
现在你看到我了，现在你看不到了。 Now you see me, now you don't.
你认为你会，但我知道你不会。 You think you will, but I know you won't.
谢谢你，阿里。谢谢你，安吉洛·邓迪。 Thank you, Ali. Thank you, Angelo Dundee.
这就是我所有的时间吗？好的。 Is that all the time I get? OK.
谢谢你们，本·德加布拉和迪克·萨德勒。 Thank you, Ben Degabula and Dick Sadler.
别这样，冠军。走开，走开。 Don't do that, champ. Get away, get away.
基尔罗伊：蒙博托的得力助手进来了。 KILROY: Mobutu's right-hand man came in.
乔治·福尔曼说，他的眼睛被割破了，比赛可能会被取消。 Said George Foreman cut his eye, the fight may be called off.
我说，“阿里，如果他离开这个国家，他永远不会和你战斗。” I say, "Ali, if he leaves this country, he will never fight you"
因为你没有表现出任何恐惧，你没有表现出任何尊重。 because you're not showing any fear, you're not showing any respect."
所以我告诉他，“拿着护照，这样他们就不会离开了。” So I told him, "Take the passports so they can't leave."
如果他离开了，就不会有阿里和福尔曼的争斗。 If he would have left, there would have never been an Ali-Foreman fight.
阿里：有一天，他在健身房转来转去，被割伤了。 ALI: The other day, messing around the gymnasium, he got cut.
他在尽一切努力摆脱这场争斗。 He's doing everything to get out of this fight.
然后他差点出了车祸。我不知道会发生什么。 Then he almost had a car accident. I don't know what's gonna happen.
我只想看到他那天出现在竞技场， I just wanna see him that day in the arena,
因为那是他不能躲避的地方。 because that's one place he won't be able to duck.
人们的情绪对他不利。所有的星球都在反对他。 The vibrations are against him. The planets are against him.
而且，他已经输掉了前五轮。 And already, he's lost the first five rounds.
我要向世界证明我仍然是最快的 I'm gonna prove to the world that I'm still the fastest,
最漂亮，最有品位的， the prettiest, the most classiest,
有史以来最科学、最伟大的拳击手。 the most scientific, the greatest fighter of all time.
基尔罗伊：非洲人民热爱穆罕默德·阿里。 KILROY: The African people loved Muhammad Ali.
他们认为他是救世主。 They thought he was a savior.
穆罕默德本可以在我们去体育场的时候对人们说， Muhammad could have said to the people when we went to the stadium,
“我想成为你们的总统。” "I wanna be your president."
每个人都会追随他。他们是如此的爱他。 Everybody would have followed him. They loved him so much.
令人难以置信的是，这个人拥有如此强大的力量。 It was unbelievable, the power that this man had.
基尔罗伊：生活中有一种理论。据说强者必胜弱者。 KILROY: There's a theory in life. It's said that the strong will beat the weak.
但每次大脑都会打败强者。 But the brains will beat the strong every time.
他说：“他很强壮，但没有耐力。” He said, "He's strong, but he has no stamina."
“他不知道这是什么感觉。第五轮。第六轮。” "He doesn't know what it's like. Round five. Round six."
“第七轮。第八轮。我抓到他了。” "Round seven. Round eight. I've got him."
他旋转时的那个著名的旋转，我告诉他， And that famous spin when he was spinning, I told him,
我说，“你为什么不在下山的时候打他？” I said, "Why didn't you hit him on the way down?"
他说：“他受够了。” He said, "He had enough."
如果他花同样多的时间在艺术上， If he would have spent as much time in the art,
绘画和，你知道的，或者一个艺术家， painting and, you know, or an artist,
继承了他父亲的基因， taking after his dad who was in his genes,
他可能是一位伟大的艺术家。 he might have been a great artist.
如果他在书上花了同样多的时间， If he'd spent as much time on the books,
他可能是个很棒的律师，因为他与人打交道。 he might have been a great lawyer 'cause he relates to people.
你能想象他在法学院拿到哈佛学位吗， Could you imagine him with a Harvard degree out of law school,
在陪审团面前？哇。案件被驳回。 going before a jury? Wow. Case dismissed.
播音员：哦，天哪，他在32岁的时候夺回了冠军头衔！ ANNOUNCER: Oh, my God, he's won the title back at 32!
与穆罕默德·阿里的战斗对我来说是壮观的。 The fight with Muhammad Ali was spectacular for me.
它改变了我的生活，因为作为一名职业选手，我从未输过， It changed my life because I'd never lost as a professional,
我本打算赢得我职业生涯中最轻松的一场比赛。 and I'd intended to win the easiest fight of my career.
我会和那家伙一起进入拳击场。我吓唬了他，我什么都做了。 I'd get into the ring with the guy. I bluffed him, I'd done everything.
打他，嘿，基本上打了五六个回合。 Beat him up, hey, basically for about five or six rounds.
我以为这很容易。 I thought it was easy.
到了第六回合，他在我耳边低声说： Then about the sixth round he whispered in my ear,
在我打了他的侧身之后，“乔治，你就这么点本事？” after I'd hit him in the side, "That all you got, George?"
这就是我的全部。 And that was about all I had.
(笑) (LAUGHS)
然后，它变成了一场噩梦。 It turned into a nightmare then.
每个人都期望我能赢得那场拳击比赛。 Everybody expected me to win that boxing match.
所有的奇数制造者都认为我会以淘汰赛的优势获胜， All the oddsmakers had me ahead to win by a knockout,
事实上。 as a matter of fact.
一旦我输掉了那场比赛，我就崩溃了。 And once I lost that fight, I was devastated.
看看那张脸。看看那张脸。 Look at that face. Look at that face.
一个几乎不能相信发生在他身上的人。 A man who can scarcely believe what has happened to him.
我不理解失败的原因。 I didn't understand losing.
他对此有所了解，所以他做好了准备。 He knew something about that, so he prepared himself.
他保留了自己的力量和力量。 He reserved his power and his strength.
我的脑海里没有任何东西可以保护我或保护我。 I had nothing in the back of my mind to shield me or protect me.
所以我躺在毁灭中。 So I lie in devastation.
记者：乔治·福尔曼，一个完全不可战胜的人。 REPORTER: George Foreman, the man who was totally invincible.
福尔曼：从拳击退役后，嗯，在70年代离开了拳击， FOREMAN: Afterl retired from boxing, well, left boxing in the '70s,
我成为主耶稣基督教会的一名牧师。 I became a minister at the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ.
我现在还在这么做。我意识到，呃... I'm still doing so. And I realized that, uh...
有记者问我， A reporter asked me,
“非洲发生了什么事，乔治？肯定发生了什么事？” "What happened in Africa, George? Surely something happened?"
我承认我输了这场拳击比赛。我说：“我有证据。” And I admitted that I'd lost the boxing match. I said, "I got proof."
从那时起我就能应付了， From that point on I was able to cope,
因为我意识到我不仅输掉了拳击比赛， because I realized not only did I lose the boxing match,
但我输给了我见过的最伟大的人。 but I lost to the greatest man I've ever met.
一个永不放弃的人。 Somebody who would never give up.
阿里：乔治·福尔曼，你好吗？ ALI: George Foreman, how are you doing?
你的名字，像你一样年轻，在我的训练营里， Your name, as young as you are, in my training camp,
我和你一起工作，让你的体重减轻，你就不会为钱而战了。 me working with you, get your weight down and you're not fighting for money.
上帝在你心中知道这一点。你不需要回答这个人。 God knows this in your heart. You ain't gotta answer the man.
你看，人评判人的行为。上帝审判人的心。 See, man judges man's actions. God judges man's heart.
你为上帝而战，现在你震撼了整个世界。 You go in the ring for God, now you got the whole world shook up.
“乔治·福尔曼回来了！”现在你走出去，开始布道。 "George Foreman came back!" Now you go out and you start preaching.
有成千上万的人来找你。 You got thousands of people coming to you.
别做个失败者。你是个胜利者。 Don't go out a loser. You go out a winner.
这就是我的疯狂想法。 And this is the wild idea I have.
工头：有时候人们会来问我，“你觉得怎么样？” FOREMAN: Sometimes people come to me and say, "What do you think?"
“穆罕默德·阿里是最伟大的拳击手吗？” "Was Muhammad Ali the greatest boxer?"
我几乎觉得受到了侮辱，因为拳击就是他做的事情。 And I feel almost insulted, because boxing was just something he did.
我是说，这不能用来定义穆罕默德·阿里。 I mean, that's no way to define Muhammad Ali.
他是地球上出现过的最伟大的人之一。 He was one of the greatest men to ever appear on the scene of the Earth.
阿里：让我问莱拉一些事情。等。你们都安静下来。 ALI: Let me ask Laila something. Wait. Y'all be quiet.
现在，这是一个麦克风。 Now, this is a microphone.
当你长大后， And when you get to be a big girl,
我要把这段回放一下，好让你能听到。 I'm gonna play this back so you can hear it.
照我说的做。说，“我爱我爸爸。” Say what I say. Say, "I love my daddy."
莱拉：我爱我的爸爸。-HANA：我爱我的大便爸爸。 - LAILA: I love my daddy. - HANA: I love my poo-poo head daddy.
Au：Hana，好的。等等，等等，等等。我只想问你一个问题。 AU: Hana, OK. Wait, wait, wait. I'm just gonna ask you a question.
-你母亲叫什么名字，哈娜？-哈娜：维罗妮卡. - What's your mother's name, Hana? - HANA: Veronica.
“AU”。莱拉，你母亲叫什么名字？ "AU". And, Laila, what's your mother's name?
-莱拉：沃尼卡。阿里：她叫什么名字？ - LAILA: Wonica. - ALI: Whatk her name?
-莱拉：沃尼卡。-阿里：文沃尼卡？ - LAILA: Wonica. - ALI: Venvonica?
维罗妮卡：我第一次见到穆罕默德是在我18岁的时候 VERONICA: I first met Muhammad when I was 18 years old
我在暑假离开了大学。 and I was off from college for the summer.
我不喜欢他。 I didn't like him.
我唯一真正了解他的就是他是个大嘴巴。 The only thing I really knew about him was that he was a big mouth.
嗯，高中的男生在化学课上 Um, the boys in high school in chemistry class
关于弗雷泽之战和铁锈..。 were taking about the Frazier fight and 'rust...
我听到他们在谈论个性，所以我下定决心。 I heard them talking about the personality, so I made up my mind.
“哦，我不喜欢这个穆罕默德·阿里。他是个吹牛大王，嘴巴也很大。” "Oh, I don't like this Muhammad Ali. He's, like, a bragger and a big mouth."
然后我们在非洲扎伊尔再次相遇。 Then we met again in Africa, in Zaire.
当时我正在帮助宣传乔治·福尔曼和穆罕默德·阿里的战斗。 I was helping promote the George Foreman-Muhammad Ali fight at the time.
他的一个随行人员问我们是否想去见他 One of his entourage asked if we wanted to go and meet him
参观他的训练营， and visit his training camp,
所以我和其他几个人一起去了，他并没有真正注意到我。 so I went with a few other people and he didn't really pay any attention to me.
然而，到了回去的时候，我们坐公交车回去了，很有趣， However, when it was time to go back, we took a bus back, which was fun,
嗯，但是穆罕默德决定和我们一起坐公交车回去 um, but Muhammad decided he was going to ride on the bus back with us
最后，他坐在我身边，一直和我聊天。 and he ended up sitting with me and talking to me the whole time.
我的第一个想法是，“哇，他真的很好。他很安静。” My first thought was, "Wow, he's really nice. He's very quiet."
呃，他后来告诉我是因为他什么都不敢说。 Uh, he later told me it was because he was afraid to say anything.
他不知道该说什么。但是，嗯，我想，“哦，他真的很好。” He didn't know what to say. But, um, I thought, "Oh, he's really nice."
当比赛推迟后，他一直邀请我回来 When the fight was postponed and he kept inviting me back
他告诉我他要离婚了。 and, um, he told me he was getting divorced.
他没有和妻子住在一起，所以我不知道有什么更好的， He wasn't living with a wife so I didn't know any better,
嗯，当时，在最开始的时候。 um, at the time, in the very beginning.
但是，嗯，他会做这些关于爱情和友谊的讲座 But, um, he would give these lectures on love and friendship
我还记得我爱上他的那一刻 and I remember the moment I fell in love with him
当他，呃..。会让我哭的。 when he was, uh... gonna make me cry.
这真的很感人。 It was just very touching.
我们实际上结婚了，嗯，当时我21岁。 We actually got married, um, when I was 21.
从我18岁起我们就已经在一起了， And, uh, we had been together already since I was 18 years old,
尽管我们确实在扎伊尔举行了婚礼， even though we did have a wedding ceremony in Zaire,
这是很多人没有意识到的。 which lots of people don't realize.
和穆罕默德生活在一起从来都不是乏味的。 Living with Muhammad was never dull.
你永远不会知道你回家的任何一天会是什么样子。 You never knew what you'd be coming home to any given day.
维罗妮卡：我听到你的呼吸声，就开始说话了。 VERONICA: I heard you breathing and started to talk.
我能听到你深呼吸的声音，那位女士也能听到。 I could hear your big breath breathing and so could that lady.
还有，不要！你就是在大家面前玩这个。 And don'! You be playing that in front of everybody.
我不想让每个人都听我讲电话。 I don't want everyone listening to me talking on the phone.
阿里：这可能会成为历史。-维罗妮卡：不！ - ALI: It could be history. - VERONICA: No!
阿里：为什么？ ALI: Why?
维罗妮卡：我宁愿吃点别的。 VERONICA: I'd rather have something else.
他通过让自己负起责任来掌握自己的命运，嗯， He took control of his destiny by making himself accountable, um,
像他的预测一样，你知道，他会说什么回合。 with things like his predictions where he would, you know, say what round.
然后他就会活到他的未来 Then he'd sort of pretty much live into his future
更有压力，嗯，实际上 and be more, um, pressured, actually
或者负责做他说过要做的事情。 or accountable to do what he had said he would do.
而且，呃，所以我认为，他基本上是以这种方式掌握了生活。 And, uh, so he pretty much, I think, mastered life in that way.
(播放磁带) (TAPE PLAYING)
阿里：但现在汉娜是个小女孩了。-HANA：现在Hana是个小女孩了。 - ALI: But now Hana's a little girl. - HANA: Now Hana's a little girl.
阿里：她三岁了。-HANA：她三岁了 - ALI: She's three years old. - HANA: She's three years old.
休：有一天她会成为一位大块头的女士。 AU: And one day she'll be a big lady.
汉娜：有一天她会成为一位大块头的女士 HANA: And one day she'll be a big lady
长大后成为一位漂亮的女士，她再也不会是一个小淑女了。 and grow up a pretty lady and she never be a little lady no more.
阿里：对。像妈妈一样做一位漂亮的女士。 ALI: Right. And be a pretty lady like Momma.
汉娜：又漂亮，像维罗妮卡一样做个漂亮的女人。 HANA: And pretty, and be a pretty lady like Veronica.
(阿里大笑) (ALI LAUGHING)
阿里：过来，汉娜。到这儿来。赶快。 ALI: Come here, Hana. Come here. Come on.
阿里：每天晚上你上床睡觉前，我的宝贝。 ALI: Each night before you go to bed, my baby.
每晚我的..。去睡觉吧，我的宝贝。 HANA: Each night my... go to bed, my baby.
阿里：当我远离你的时候，我的宝贝。 ALI: While I'm far away from you, my baby.
维罗妮卡：我想那是田园诗般的，嗯，童话般的日子。 VERONICA: Those were, like, the idyllic, um, fairy-tale days, I think.
我们一直在那里， We were always there,
而其他的孩子，嗯，在学校之类的 whereas the other kids were, um, in school and that type of thing
他和我的两个女儿在一起的时间最多， and he, um, he spent the most time with both my daughters,
嗯，从他们出生的那一刻起。 um, from the moment they were born on.
我们一直都在那里。我们和他一起去了所有的地方。 We were always there. We went everywhere with him.
他真是个心地善良的人。非常敏感。 He's a really good-hearted person. Very sensitive.
我想我哭是因为他现在的处境，你知道， And I guess I'm crying because of his situation now, you know,
我会永远爱他。 and I'll always love him.
这是..。我的意思是，不是“相爱”，但是，我们一直是朋友。 It's... I mean, not, like, "in love," but, I mean, we've always been friends.
嗯，很难和他住在一起，因为，你知道的. Um, it became hard to live with him because of, you know...
每个人都知道，全世界都知道，他不是一个忠诚的丈夫。 Everyone knows, the whole world knows, he wasn't faithful as a husband.
呃，我想这也是有道理的。 Uh, there's a story to that, too, I think.
但是，嗯，他是个不可思议的人。 But, um, he's an incredible human being.
他有一颗美丽的心，而且非常敏感。 He has a beautiful heart and very sensitive.
我是说，他哭得很厉害。人们不知道这一点。 I mean, he cries a lot. People don't know that.
你知道，当有什么东西碰到他的时候，他会哭得比我还多。 You know, when something touches him he'll start crying, more than I do.
电影里有很多人，演员， There are lots of people, actors in movies,
扮演着伟大的角色，被偶像崇拜， playing great parts and that are idolized,
但这一切都是幻想，穆罕默德是真实存在的。 but it's all a fantasy and Muhammad was real.
他坚持自己的信念，他对所有这一切都是100%真诚的。 He stood up for what he believed and he was 100% sincere about all of that.
嗯，我想人们只是感受到了爱， Um, and I think people just feel the love,
那份真挚的爱来自他。 that genuine love that comes from him.
这是从他身上散发出来的，人们可以感觉到。 It emanates from him and people can feel that.
在70年代的那个时候，你很少看到大明星来到纽卡斯尔。 At that time in the '70s you very rarely see the big stars come to Newcastle.
令人难以置信的是，穆罕默德·阿里出现了。他不仅来了， Incredibly, Muhammad Ali turned up. Not only did he come,
几个月前，他刚刚和维罗妮卡·波切结婚 he had just been married a couple of months before to Veronica Porche
他们的婚礼在当地的一座清真寺举行。 and they had their wedding blessed in a local mosque.
记者：这与时尚的比佛利山相去甚远。 REPORTER: Its a far cry from fashionable Beverly Hills.
这座清真寺位于南希尔兹的工业中心，令人惊讶。 The mosque comes as a surprise in the industrial heart of South Shields.
这里传统穆斯林社区的孩子们成群结队地走出来 The children of the traditional Muslim community here were out in force
迎接冠军和他的新娘维罗妮卡。 to greet the champion and his bride, Veronica.
鲁特利奇：有太多的事情要说。 ROUTLEDGE: There were so many things to say.
我想告诉他，我一直都是他最忠实的粉丝。 I wanted to tell him I was his greatest fan of all times.
我心里想要的东西太多了，我的脑子里也想告诉他。 I wanted so many things in me heart and in me head I wanted to tell him.
他是我心目中的英雄，我为他准备了一首诗。 He's my hero and I've got a poem for him.
我的诗是这样写的：“穆罕默德，我欢迎你来到我的小镇。” My poem goes, "Muhammad, I welcome you here to my town."
你来到这里，没有愤怒的皱眉，还有你的重量级拳击冠军。 "You come here with no furious frown, plus your heavyweight boxing crown."
哦，太棒了，哦，太棒了，祝你住得愉快。 "Oh, Great One, oh, Great One, enjoy your stay."
所以后来我经常给他写信。 So afterwards I used to write to him.
在美国给他写信，给他的训练营写信， Writing to him in America, writing to his training camp,
说出他在纽卡斯尔时我想对他说的话。 and saying the things that I wanted to say to him when he was in Newcastle.
这种情况持续了很多年。 And this went on for years.
（电话铃响） (PHONE RINGING)
“罗素，罗素，罗素！是穆罕默德·阿里在打电话！” "Russell, Russell, Russell! It's Muhammad Ali on the phone!"
我以为她只是在激怒我们，因为我们刚刚在看他。 I thought she was just winding us up because we were just watching him.
我们还在电视上看着他。 We're still watching him on the television.
我想……我只是忽略她。我还在看。 And I thought... I just ignore her. I was still watching.
她说：“快点！他会挂断电话的。”快点。 She says, "Hurry up! He'll put the phone down. Hurry up."
所以，你知道，显然背后有事情。 So, you know, obviously there was something behind it.
我跑到厨房。'穆罕默德，是你吗，穆罕默德？' I run into the kitchen. "Muhammad, is that you, Muhammad?"
'是的，罗斯，是我，穆罕默德·阿里。' "Yeah, Russ, it's me, Muhammad Ali."
那真是……简直不敢相信这正在发生。 And it was... it was like... you couldn't believe it was happening.
他说，'我会给你一个约会，你什么时候来都行。'“鲁斯，你不需要酒店。你可以……” And he says, "I'll give you a date when you can come over."
“我给你找了一个房间。你可以住在我的家里。” He says, "Russ, you don't need no hotel. You can..."
（咕噜）我当时就像，呃……你知道的，我当时就像，不知所措。 "I have a room for you. You can stay in me home."
他说：“穆罕默德，如果你不是真的那么想说，那就不要说。” (GULPS) I was like, uh... You know, I was, like, stuck for words.
他说：“如果我不是真的那么想说，那我就不会说。” I goes, "Muhammad, don't say that if you don't mean it."
“路透社：那太棒了。”真的，非常超现实，我的意思是，房子本身。 He says, "I wouldn't say it if I didn't mean it."
如果你看过《洛基》系列电影，在《洛基3》中，你会看到洛基住在一家大白房子里。 ROUTLEDGE: It was fabulous.
那是1984年穆罕默德·阿里的房子。那是他给我提供的住宿，让我们度过那些日子，出去玩，见人，见粉丝。和他在一起，看到这一切，站在内场，对我来说是非常特别的。就像一个非常特别、特殊的日子。最伟大的！穆罕默德·阿里你好。（鼓掌声） It was surreal, really, I mean, the house itself.
你看起来很美。我爱你。再见。 If you ever watch the Rocky films, in Rocky III,
- 男人：阿里，三下。 - 再见，阿里。 you see Rocky living in a big white mansion.
（谈话声） That was Muhammad Ali's house in 1984.
路人：当你看到那些与穆罕默德一起的人时，很难， That was the house that he gave me a room to stay
他们如此根深蒂固地与穆罕默德在一起。它不能离开他们。我只和穆罕默德在一起很短的时间，但那段时间从未离开过我，因为那是个人化的时光，非常特别。你...猫头鹰，你昨天晚上住在哪里？ and take us out through the days and going out
null and meeting the people and meeting the fans.
null And to be there with him and see it and be on the inside,
null it was so special for me. Like, a very special, special time.
null The greatest! Muhammad Ali, assalamu alaikum.
null (CLAPPING)
null You look beautiful. I love you. Bye-bye.
null - MAN: Ali in three. - Au revoir, Ali.
null (CHATTER)
null ROUTLEDGE: It's very hard for when you see people who've been in with Muhammad,
null who've been so ingrained with Muhammad. It cannot leave them.
null I only had a very small piece of being with Muhammad, but it never left me
null 'cause they were personal times and they were very special.
null Did you... Owl Did you spend the night yesterday?
-Routledge：是的。-在哪里？ - ROUTLEDGE: Yeah. - Where?
爸爸昨晚让我们住在你家里。 Dad let us stay at your house last night.
(孩子们的闲聊) (CHILDREN CHATTER)
阿里：是啊，你爸爸昨晚让我住的。 ALI: Yeah, your daddy let me stay last night.
-你睡了她的床？-阿里：不，他住在某个地方. - You slept in her bed? - ALI: No, he stayed somewhere.
-我的？一张白色的大床？-鲁特利奇：我不知道谁的床。 - Mine? A big white bed? - ROUTLEDGE: I don't know whose bed.
-我不知道.-房间里有又大又长的门吗？ - I don't know. - The room with the big long doors?
-我睡在地板上.-让开！ - I slept on the floor. - Get out the way!
汉娜，你在挖矿。我想要这辆自行车。 Hana, you're mining it. I want this kinda bike.
小海娜：爸爸？ YOUNG HANA: Daddy?
爸爸？ Daddy?
阿里：汉娜，这是1979年了。11月，呃，12日 ALI: Hana, this is 1979. November the, uh, 12th
现在是晚上8点左右 and it's about 8:00pm.
我和维罗妮卡要出去吃晚餐。 Me and Veronica was going out to have dinner.
-现在？-阿里：是的。 - HANA: NOW? - ALI: Yeah.
汉娜：不！ HANA: No!
休：为什么你不想让我们去吃晚餐？ AU: Why you don't want us go and have dinner?
-海航：我想让你在这里吃饭。阿里：你想让我在这里吃吗？ - HANA: I want you to eat here. - ALI: You want me to eat here?
-我要和妈妈一起吃饭。-海航：我不想让你这么做。 - I'm going to eat with Mommy. - HANA: I don't want you to.
阿里：你不会想让我去的。为什么？-HANA：我不想让你这么做。 - ALI: You don't want me to. Why? - HANA: I don't want you to.
阿里：你多大了？你多大了？比如，“我三岁了。” ALI: How old are you? How old are you? Say, "I'm three years old. "
“哈娜”，“我三岁了”，就像这样。 HANA". "I'm three years old," like that.
休：嗯，我要带妈妈去吃晚饭。 AU: Well, I'm gonna take Momma to have some dinner.
-海航：我不想让你这么做。阿里：好吧，你想和我一起去吗？ - HANA: I don't want you to. - ALI: Well, you wanna come with?
汉娜：我不认为我会说，呃，我父亲非常严厉。 HANA: I don't think that I would, uh, say that my father was very strict.
他有非常坚定的信仰和价值观之类的东西， He had very strong beliefs and values and whatnot,
但他并不是真的太严格。 but he wasn't really too strict.
我其实还记得我年轻和成长的时候， I actually remember when I was young and growing up,
我知道我不被允许向我父亲要东西， knowing that I wasn't allowed to ask my father for something,
比如，那是下班后的冰淇淋，或者，你知道，爸爸是个“是”的人。 like, it was ice cream after hours or, you know, Daddy's a "yes" man.
他就是那个“赞成”的人。所有的回答都是“是”。 He was the "yes" man. Everything was "yes."
阿里：好的。-海娜：我想去，爸爸。 - ALI: OK. - HANA: I want to, Daddy.
-AU“.我今晚会让你去的.-我想去，爸爸. - AU". I'll let you go tonight. - HANA: I want to, Daddy.
阿里：好的，你今晚可以去了。别再说了，好吗？ ALI: OK, you can go tonight. Just stop saying it, OK?
即使从很小的时候起，我就意识到他的同意是不够的。 Even from that early age, I realized that his "yes" wasn't enough.
所以我对他说：“你要问妈妈吗？” So I say to him, "Are you gonna ask Mommy?"
“我也需要听她告诉我。”于是我跑进了房间。 "I need to hear her tell me too." So I ran into the room.
我请求我母亲的允许。当她说“是”的时候，我就知道我可以走了。 I ask my mother for permission. When she says "yes," then I know I can go.
阿里：爸爸带你去。我就是忍不住。你.。 ALI: Daddy take you. I just can't help it. You...
汉娜：我想让你也问问妈妈。 HANA: I want you to ask Mommy, too.
休：好的，我会让你走的。正确的。 AU: Yeah, I'll let you go. Right.
我不会说有什么不同 I would not say there was a difference
在我父亲公开和私下之间， between my father publicly and privately,
因为他总是很有魅力。 because he's always very charismatic.
总是希望娱乐，让你微笑，让你开怀大笑。 Always looking to entertain, make you smile, make you laugh.
这并不是他真正感兴趣的事情。 It's not something he really turned on.
但与此同时，我认为，他会把它提高到一个档次，为观众服务。 But at the same time he would turn it up a notch, I think, for the crowd.
但他永远是穆罕默德·阿里，即使在家里，你知道吗？ But he is always Muhammad Ali, even at home, you know?
他总是在开玩笑。 He was always joking.
我放学回家，他就坐在办公桌后面 I'd come home from school and he'd be sitting behind his office desk
有时他会有一根小钢丝，呃，箭穿过他的头， and sometimes he'd have a little wire, um, arrow going through his head,
只是流了一点红血，假装他已经死了。 just with a little bit of red blood, pretending that he was dead.
(笑)我们回到家，发现他，我们是如此习惯他， (LAUGHS) And we'd come home and find him and we're so used to him,
我们只是说，“哦，爸爸”，然后跳到他的腿上， we just say, "Oh, Daddy," and jump in his lap anyway,
甚至不承认这一点，你知道。 and just didn't even acknowledge it, you know.
当我遇到乔·弗雷泽时， When I meet Joe Frazier,
这将像一个优秀的业余选手与真正的职业选手战斗。 this will be like a good amateur fighting a real professional.
这就像一个走出奥运赛场的孩子 This will be like a kid out of the Olympics
遇到有史以来跑得最快的重量级冠军。 meeting the fastest heavyweight champion that ever lived.
这将不会是一场比赛。 This will be no contest.
你说呢，乔？你对此有何感想？ What do you say, Joe? What do you say to that?
我说他只不过是一堆杂音，仅此而已。 I say he's nothing but a bunch of noise, that's all.
就是今天了，伙计。你懂的?我只想让你..。 This is the day, man. You understand? I just want you to...
你不是在和采石场战斗，也不是在和奥斯卡·博纳文亚战斗， You're not fighting Quarry, you're not fighting Oscar Bonavena,
你不是在和桑尼·利斯顿战斗。你在和乔·弗雷泽战斗。 you're not fighting Sonny Liston. You're fighting Joe Frazier.
休：每个人都知道这一点。 AU: Everybody knows that.
(大喊大叫) (SHOUTING)
他们有一个很大的竞争，嗯，早在七十年代，七十年代初。 They had a big rivalry, um, back in the '70s, early '70s.
你知道，这是个很重的东西。嗯，你知道，那很艰难。 It was a pretty heavy thing, you know. Um, you know, it was rough.
那是很艰难的。 It was rough.
记者：嗯，我觉得阿里可能是在做小丑， REPORTER: Well, I think that Ali is probably clowning,
但在我看来，毫无疑问，乔·弗雷泽不是在开玩笑。 but there is no question in my mind that Joe Frazier is not clowning.
他们扔掉了各自的耳机和麦克风。 They threw off their respective earpieces, microphones.
Joe Frazief手表掉下来了。 Joe Fraziefs watch came off.
地板上有一场摔跤比赛 There was a wrestling bout on the floor
我们真的非常抱歉发生了这样的事情。 and we're really very sorry this happened.
这一点毋庸置疑。乔·弗雷泽现在要离开演播室了 And there's no question about it. Joe Frazier is leaving the studio now
阿里说他无知，他对此深感不安。 and he is deeply upset about Ali calling him ignorant.
对不起，乔。 I'm sorry, Joe.
我对这些乱七八糟的东西感到厌烦。 I'm getting sick and tired of all this mess.
乔·弗雷泽，世界重量级冠军， Joe Frazier, the heavyweight champion of the world,
笨拙、丑陋、平脚的乔·弗雷泽。 clumsy, ugly, flat-footed Joe Frazier.
我会让你知道什么是真正的冠军。 I'll show you what a real champion is.
马维斯：说他是汤姆叔叔。说他很丑。 MARVIS: Said that he was an Uncle Tom. Said he was ugly.
他说他是大猩猩，你知道的， Said he was a gorilla, you know,
爸爸只是说：“好吧，我要照你说的做。” and Pop just said, "Well, I'm going to do what you say I do."
“你说我是大猩猩，我就是你的大猩猩。” "You say I'm a gorilla, I'm gonna be a gorilla on you."
作为一个男人，爸爸是一个..。他就像一只小狗，伙计。 As a man, Pop was a... he was like a little puppy dog, man.
他是一个冷静、温柔、善良的人。 He was a calm, gentle, kind...
他是那种，呃， He was the kind of person that, uh,
你知道，每个人都想成为他们最好的朋友。 everybody would want to be their best friend, you know.
妈妈没有说太多话。她总是很冷静。 Mom didn't say too much. She was always calm.
她总是很镇静，她会，就像， She was always collected and she'd, like,
“哦，别担心，孩子。一切都会好起来的。” "Oh, don't worry about it, son. It'll be all right."
我说，“这不是吵架，妈妈，他们说的是爸爸，”你知道的。 And I said, "That's not fight, Mom, what they're saying about Daddy," you know.
“他们这么说是不对的。他们这样称呼他，他们那样称呼他。” "It's not right what they're saying. They call him this, they call him that."
“别担心，亲爱的。上帝会解决这个问题的。” "Don't worry about it, honey. The Good Lord will work it out."
我在纽约见过阿里先生，伙计。 I met Mr Ali in New York, man.
他说：“哦，你是乔的儿子。你好吗，儿子？你好吗？” He was like, "Oh, you're Joe's son. How are you doing, son? How are you doing?"
“你看起来很不错。” "You're looking all right there."
但是，你知道，爸爸在另一边，他说，“我来找你了。” But, you know, Pop on the other side, he was like, "I'm coming to get you."
(笑) (LAUGHS)
(欢呼声) (CHEERING)
男子：世界重量级冠军，乔·弗雷泽！ MAN: The heavyweight champion of the world, Joe Frazier!
他更像是一个火球 He was more like a fireball
因为阿里先生对他说的话。 because of the things that, uh, Mr Ali was saying to him.
你知道，这真的打动了他的心 It really, you know, got down into his heart
因为这是一个帮助另一个兄弟的人。 because here was a guy that help another brother.
在每个人都反对他的时候帮助他 To help him when everybody was against him
因为不去打仗，你懂我的意思吗？ because of not going to the war, you know what I mean?
然后他帮他拿回了驾照， And then he was the one to help him get his license back,
然后让他说出他对他说过的话 and then for him to say the things that he said to him
对我爸爸来说有点难熬。他无法理解这一点。 was kinda hard for my dad. He couldn't understand it.
男：全世界有数以亿计的人在观看这场比赛。 MAN: Hundreds of millions are seeing this bout around the world.
麦迪逊广场花园里挤满了人的房子。 A packed house at Madison Square Garden.
马维斯：我相信，呃，第一场比赛，呃，我父亲，他想要的， MARVIS: And I believe in that, uh, first fight, uh, that my dad, he wanted,
你知道吗，他想抓到他。他想抓到他。 you know, he wanted to get him. He wanted to get him.
(欢呼声) (CHEERING)
你认为他为什么打你，穆罕默德？ MAN: Why do you think he beat you, Muhammad?
阿里：嗯，他之所以做出这个决定， ALI: Well, the reason that he got the decision,
如果你在比赛结束后看着我和他的脸，两只眼睛都闭着。 if you looked at my face and his face after the fight, both eyes were closed.
他的鼻子是血的，嘴唇被割破了，头肿了 His nose is blood, his lips was cut, his head was swollen
他在医院住了一个月。你们都听到了吗？ and he spent one month in the hospital. And did you all hear it?
是啊，当然。 Yeah, surely.
他在重症监护室呆了30天。没有电话，没有访客。 He spent 30 days in intensive care. No phone calls, no visitors.
现在，当你不得不休息30天时，这是一个可怕的打击。 Now that's a terrible beating when you have to stay resting for 30 days.
但他做出了决定。但我不是在抱怨。下次我会抓到他的。 But he got the decision. But I'm not complaining. Next time I'll get him.
我记得，呃，在签名会上，还有很多，你知道， I remember, um, being at an autograph signing and a lot of the, you know,
不同的体育界人士会在那里签名， different sports figures would be there signing autographs,
乔·弗雷泽在一点的时候也在那里。 and Joe Frazier was there at one.
我父亲和他在走廊里擦肩而过 And my father and him were passing each other in the hallway
我记得我父亲见到乔·弗雷泽时非常兴奋。 and I remember my father was so excited to just see Joe Frazier.
他开始跳上跳下说， He started jumping up and down and say,
“来吧，乔，我们来打球……让我们在镜头前炫耀一下。” "Come on, Joe, let's play for... let's show off for the cameras."
乔·弗雷泽只是举起他的手， And Joe Frazier just sort of put his hand up,
看着他，继续往前走。 looked at him and kept on walking.
我记得当时我在想，“他为什么要这样对爸爸？” And I remember thinking, "Why did he just do that to Daddy?"
所以就在那时，我学到了，你知道，痛苦 So that's when I learned, you know, of the pain
或者，你知道的，他仍然感觉到的敌意或愤怒。 or the, you know, the hostility or the anger that he still felt.
他还没有放手或原谅我父亲。 That he had not let go of or forgiven my father for yet.
汉娜：事实上，我父亲听说了乔·弗雷泽的事 HANA: My father was told, actually, uh, about Joe Frazier
以及他所经历的一切 and everything that he went through
他读到了他的孩子放学回家时哭的故事 and he read about how his children would come home from school crying
我的父亲只是默默地低下头，开始哭起来。 and my fatherjust put his head down silently and started to cry himself.
这真的让人心烦意乱。知道这一点让他很伤心。 It really upset... it hurt him to know that.
我认为他也有一部分钦佩乔·弗雷泽。他是一名伟大的运动员。 And I think also a part of him admired Joe Frazier. He was a great athlete.
在乔·弗雷泽出演这部电影的时候， At the time in which Joe Frazier came into the picture,
我父亲有很多可能是不同的情绪 there was a lot of probably different emotions my father was dealing with
站在他所采取的立场上。 in taking the stands that he took.
然后乔·弗雷泽在他的脑海里， Then Joe Frazier sort of, in his mind,
成为他要说的话的代表，你知道，世界上正在发生的事情 became representative of what he would say, you know, was going on in the world
以及当时对黑人做了什么错事。 and what was being done wrong to blacks at that time.
所以当他到了那个位置，新的冠军， So when he got in that position, the new champion,
实际上，我父亲从未在拳台上丢掉过那个冠军头衔。 and my father never actually lost that title in the ring.
不幸的是，对乔·弗雷泽来说，他只是成了这样的固定球员 Unfortunately for Joe Frazier, he just sort of became this fixture
这正好代表了这一切。 that just represented all that.
哦，他肯定很尊重我父亲，这我们都知道。 Oh, he definitely had respect for my father, we know that.
我知道，我真的意识到了， I know that and I really realized it,
呃，就像，因为在马尼拉打架之后， uh, like, 'cause after the fight in Manila,
他来找我说， he came to me and he said,
“你知道，嘿，我说过的所有事情，呃，” "You know, hey, all the things I said about, uh,"
关于你的家人和你的父亲，拜托，你知道， about the family and your dad, please, you know,
“告诉你父亲，你知道的，我为此道歉。” "tell your father, you know, I apologize about that."
但爸爸想亲自听他说，仅此而已。 But Pop wanted to hear it from him for himself, that's all.
最后呢，在，呃，我父亲去世之前， In the end, uh, before, uh, my father passed away,
他和阿里在爱、团结和精神上的统一中走到了一起。 he and Ali came together in love and unity and oneness of the spirit.
而且，呃，伙计，我很高兴看到这一点。 And, uh, man, I was so happy to see that.
他们拥抱，拥抱，呃，这是很酷的事情，你知道的。 They hugged, embraced and, uh, it was something cool, you know.
真是太棒了。 That was fantastic.
(嗯。语气) (mm. TONE)
阿里：是吗？ ALI: Yeah?
男：呃，今天的《邮报》上有一篇报道。 MAN: Uh, there's a story in today's "Post"
你要去鹿湖，重新开始训练。 that you're gonna go up to Deer Lake and start training again.
阿里：有吗？ ALI: There is?
男：是的，所以他们说你会回来的。 MAN: Yeah, so what they're saying is you're gonna come back.
-阿里：那会让他们大吃一惊，不是吗？-男人：是的。(笑) - ALI: That'll shock 'em, won't it? - MAN: Yeah. (LAUGHS)
-阿里：那会吓到他们的！-听着…… - ALI: That'll shock 'em! - MAN: Listen...
阿里：我会第四次回来的。我将第四次夺得我的王冠。 ALI: I'll come back for the fourth time. I'll take my crown for the fourth time.
男：我希望这不是真的，这是你我之间的秘密。 MAN: I hope it's not true, between you and me.
欧阳德：嗯…… AU: Well...
男人：因为，呃，你已经征服了所有你能征服的世界。 MAN: Because, uh, you've conquered all the worlds you could conquer.
阿里：你能想象吗？你能想象四次夺冠的情景吗？ ALI: Can you imagine? Can you imagine four-time champion?
男人：啊，但你需要它做什么呢，穆罕默德？ MAN: Ah, but what do you need with it, Muhammad?
阿里：不需要。男士：你需要它做什么？ - ALI: Don't need it. - MAN: What do you need with it?
休：只是说说而已。我只是说说而已。 AU: Just talking. I'm just talking.
男：再也没有人会成为三届冠军了。 MAN: Nobody is ever gonna be a three-time champion again.
阿里：我知道。-男人：没人。在我们有生之年不会。 - ALI: I know. - MAN: Nobody. Not in our lifetime.
-AU：我只是说说而已。-男人：是的，是的。 - AU: I'm just talking. - MAN: Yeah, yeah.
很多人都想知道我为什么要这么做。 Many people wanna know why am I doing this.
冠军，为什么？我说，“为什么？因为它就在那里。” Champion, why? I say, "Why? Because it is there."
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
我们为什么要去月球呢？因为它就在那里。 Why did we go to the moon? Because it's there.
我们并不满意。现在我们正在制定一项去火星的计划。 We're not satisfied. Now we're mapping out a plan to go to Mars.
为什么？为什么选择火星？月球还不够远吗？ Why? Why Mars? Ain't the moon far enough?
火星，因为它就在那里 Mars, because it's there
我们有可能也有机会实现这一目标。 and there's the possibility and a chance of us reaching it.
我为什么要回来？因为它就在那里。 Why am I coming back? Because it's there.
播音员：好了，就是这个。穆罕默德·阿里的复出。 ANNOUNCER: All right, here it is. A comeback by Muhammad Ali.
巴哈马的戏剧即将上演。 Drama of the Bahamas is now about to begin.
播音员2：巴哈马的戏剧性。 ANNOUNCER 2: Drama in the Bahamas.
阿里：他们说，“不。”我们关上门，你就完了。 ALI: They say, "No." We close the doors, you're finished.
但如果他们拒绝的是穆罕默德·阿里， But if the guy they said "No" to is Muhammad Ali,
他们对有史以来最伟大的人说了“不”。 they said "No" to the greatest of all time.
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
汉娜：我记得我父亲最后一次和特雷弗·贝比克打架的情景。 HANA: I can remember my father's last fight with Trevor Berbick.
我们在鹿湖，他的训练营。他称它为斗士天堂。 We were at Deer Lake, his training camp. He called it Fighter's Heaven.
然后，嗯，爸爸会跑上山。他称它为痛苦山。 And, um, Daddy would run up the hill. He called it Agony Hill.
我跟在他后面，后面是一辆车 And I would follow behind him and behind that would be a car
当他累了的时候，它会一直在那里。 that would be there for when he got tired.
然后，嗯，就是骑车，和他一起骑车，慢跑上山。 And, um, just riding, riding alongside with him, jogging up the hill.
我想，我当时可能只有五岁。四个或五个。 I was probably five, I would think. Four or five.
他们说我老了。你觉得我看起来老吗？ They say I'm old. Do I look old to you?
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
我不知道。我很漂亮。 I don't know. I'm pretty.
他曾经说过，起床和训练是很难的 He did used to say that it was hard to get up and have to train
去做那些事情。 and do those things.
你知道，当你已经在生活中感到舒服的时候，让你的身体经历这样的事情。 You know, put your body through that when you're already comfortable in life.
你有一栋大房子，你有你需要的钱。 You have a big house, you have the money you need.
但当你试图做到这一点时，你有一种渴望 But when you're trying to make it and you have this hunger
这需要向你自己和世界证明 and this need to prove to yourself and to the world
你是多么的伟大和出色，这就容易多了。 how great and wonderful you are, it's a lot easier.
所以在他生命中的那个时候，他大概，38岁。 So at that time in his life he was, what, 38 years old.
他已经患上了帕金森氏症，尽管没有确诊。 He already had Parkinson's, although it was undiagnosed.
人们看到了，你知道，你可以从他的声音中听到。 People saw, you know, you could hear it in his voice.
演讲含糊不清，你知道，他的动作不协调。 The slurred speech and the, you know, the discoordination in his movement.
呃，但没人真正知道是什么，所以... Um, but no-one really knew what it was, so...
-播音员：就是这样。都已经过去了。播音员2：这是一场多么激烈的战斗。 - ANNOUNCER: There it is. It's all over. - ANNOUNCER 2: What a fight.
-播音员：一场激烈的战斗。播音员2：一场精彩的战斗。 - ANNOUNCER: A tremendous fight. - ANNOUNCER 2: Avery good fight.
播音员：阿里的状态比他们想象的要好得多。 ANNOUNCER: Ali in much better condition than they thought he would be.
解说员2：这里的每个人现在都觉得阿里真的赢了这场比赛。 ANNOUNCER 2: Everybody here feels now that Ali really won the fight.
伯比克走来走去。 Berbick is walking around.
他一直高举双手，好像他真的赢得了这场战斗。 He's been holding his hands up in the air as though he did win the fight.
然而，他的眼睛里有一种忧郁的神情， However, there is a look of gloom in his eyes,
似乎他可能已经意识到，他确实是因为一个决定而输掉了比赛。 as though he may have figured that he did lose it by a decision.
汉娜：我父亲就是那种人 HANA: My father is one of those people
他会用他的余生试图卷土重来。 that would have spent the rest of his life trying to make a comeback.
事实上，他可能会开玩笑说，我会说，直到65岁。 He actually joked about it probably up till age, I would say, 65.
“这难道不是一件令人震惊、震惊世界的事情吗？” "Wouldn't it be something to shake up, shock the world?"
“我们将撼动世界。回来，夺回冠军头衔。” "We'll shake up the world. Come back, take that title back."
法官杰伊·埃德森以99票赞成、94票反对的结果获胜。一致决定给特雷弗·贝比克！ Judge Jay Edson votes 99-94. Unanimous decision for Trevor Berbick!
(欢呼声) (CHEERING)
播音员：好了，你知道了。 ANNOUNCER: Well, there you have it.
特雷弗·伯比克有一致的决定。 Trevor Berbick has the unanimous decision.
他总是挑战不可能的可能性，做看似不可能的事情， He's always defied impossible odds, doing the seemingly impossible,
你知道，并向世界和他自己证明，他可以做到这一点。 you know, and proving to the world, and himself, that he can accomplish it.
我认为这正是我父亲所需要的， And I think that's part of what my father needed,
这也是造就他的部分原因。 and it's part of what made him who he is.
如果不是他干的， Had he not done it,
他不会成为三届世界重量级拳王。 he wouldn't be the three-time heavyweight champion of the world.
所以他不能告别拳击，所以很明显，你知道， So he couldn't say goodbye to boxing, so obviously, you know,
最终，拳击不得不为他说再见。 ultimately boxing had to say goodbye for him.
阿里：没有我，拳击将永远继续下去。 ALI: Boxing will always continue without me.
据我所知，协和式飞机不太经济。 The Concorde, I understand, is not too economical
他们正在讨论将其停飞。 and they're talking about grounding it.
好吧，如果他们这么做了，喷气式飞机还会飞， Well, if they do, jet planes will still fly,
但你就是不会有协和式飞机。 but you just won't have a Concorde.
所以，我是拳击协和式的，其他的拳击手是喷气式的。 So, I was the Concorde of boxing and the other fighters are jets.
我比其他人在更高的高度，比其他人移动得更快， I was at a higher altitude than the rest, moving faster than the rest,
但你只需要再次习惯于乘坐喷气式飞机。 but you'll just have to get used to riding on jets again.
你不能再乘坐协和式飞机了。 You can't ride Concorde anymore.
基尔罗伊：我们正在去见迈克·泰森的路上， KILROY: We're on our way to meet Mike Tyson,
地球上最独特的人之一。 one of the most unique people on planet Earth.
基尔罗伊：有一次我和穆罕默德·阿里在纽约 KILROY: One time Muhammad Ali and I were in New York City
我们接到了一个关于劳教所的电话。 and we got a call about a reform school.
没有名人或运动员会去看望那些孩子，他们都是好孩子。 No celebrities or athletes ever visit those kids, and they're good kids.
然后我们去了一所教养学校 And we went out to this reform school
三个月后，我接到了库斯·达马托的电话 and then three months later I got a call from Cus D'Amato
他说：“吉恩，闪电打了两次。” and he said, "Gene, lightning struck twice."
他说：“我这里有个小孩子。” He said, "I got a young kid here"
他总有一天会成为重量级世界冠军。 who's gonna be the heavyweight champ of the world some day."
“他认识你。”我说：“他认识我？他怎么认识我的，库斯？” "He knows you." I said,"He knows me? How does he know me, Cus?"
当我看到穆罕默德·阿里时，我正在纽约布朗克斯区的一家劳教所， When I saw Muhammad Ali I was at a reformatory in the Bronx, New York,
名叫斯波福德。 named Spofford.
然后，嗯，穆罕默德·阿里有一天突然出现 And, um, Muhammad Ali came one day out of the blue
有人说：“我们有一个惊喜。” and someone say, "We have a surprise."
我们看了那部最伟大的电影，然后穆罕默德·阿里进来了 We saw the movie The Greatest and then after that Muhammad Ali came in
那是我生命中非常，嗯，有趣的时刻。 and that was just a really, um, interesting moment in my life.
我说，“哇，太棒了。”你知道，“我怎么会变成那样？” I said, "Wow, that's awesome." You know, "How can I be like that?"
我开始喜欢拳击，然后，嗯，我遇到了库斯 Got involved with boxing and, um, I met Cus
而格斯非常，嗯，熟悉，呃，A“ and Gus was very, um, acquainted with, uh, A“
然后，嗯，他会和他通电话。 and, um, he would talk to him on the phone.
你知道，他会打电话给他，跟他谈谈。 You know, he'd call him up, talk to him.
他会和吉恩聊天，吉恩会让阿里接电话。 Him and Gene'd be talking, and Gene'd put Ali on the phone.
还有，呃，有时候我会走到电话前听他们说话， And, uh, sometimes I'd go over to the phone and listen to 'em talk,
偷偷拿出另一部手机，把它..。听听他们在说什么。 sneak another phone, put it... listen to what they're talking about.
还有，嗯，他只是...它就在我的环境里。 And, um, he just... it was just in my environment.
一切都是战斗和战争，而战争的另一个概念 Everything was fighting and war, and the other concept of war
战斗和战争。 and fighting and war.
你知道，这就是整件事。 You know, it's just the whole thing.
如果你在巅峰时期和这个人比赛，谁会赢？ Who would have won if you fought this man in your prime?
(观众大喊大叫) (AUDIENCE SHOUTING)
他? Him?
人群：阿里，阿里！ CROWD: Ali, Ali!
阿里！阿里！ Ali! Ali!
(人群高呼口号) (CROWD CHANTING)
等。等等，等等。 Wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
-我太快了.-嗯-嗯。 - I was so fast. - Uh-huh.
但如果他打了我。 But if he hit me...
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
-如果你抓到我的话.-是的。你会怎么说，迈克？ - That's if you catch me. - Yeah. What would you say, Mike?
我..。绝不是..。我太虚荣了。 I... by no means... I'm vain.
我知道我很棒，但我能告诉你一件事吗？ I know I'm great, but can I tell you something?
嗯，嗯。 Uh-huh.
在这种情况下，每个人都必须低头，每个人都必须忏悔。 In this situation every head must bow, every tongue must confess.
这是有史以来最伟大的一次。(欢呼声) This is the greatest of all time. (CHEERING)
你真的不能解释，嗯，什么是穆罕默德·阿里。 You can't really explain, um, what Muhammad Ali is.
你知道，没有一个词能真正解释它 You know, there's no word really to explain it
就成就而言。 as far as achievements are concerned.
还有，嗯，情感和心理上的成就，还有，你知道的，灵感 And, um, emotional and psychological achievements and, you know, inspiration
那个，那个，呃，来自穆罕默德·阿里。 that, that, um, had came from Muhammad Ali.
嗯，你就是无法想象用“棒极了”这个词。 Um, you just can't imagine that in the word "great."
必须创造出另一个词。 There has to be another word created.
Maryum：我父亲有很多方面， MARYUM: My father has a lot of sides,
一些方面得到了关注，一些方面则没有。 and some sides are focused on and some sides aren't.
你也听说了打架的事。 And you hear about the fights.
你听说过，你知道，他对人很好， You hear about, you know, he's a good person to people,
但你听不到太多关于家庭的事，也不知道这对他意味着什么。 but you don't hear about family that much or what that meant to him.
你知道吗，他以前总是说， You know, he used to always say,
“等你们长大了，我希望我们都住在山上 "When you guys grow up, I want us all to live on a hill
而且每个人都在同一条街上有一栋房子。 and everyone has a house on the same street."
我钦佩他，因为我有同父异母的姐妹，而他有私生子 I admire him because I have half-sisters and he had children out of wedlock
他会确保我们所有人都聚集在洛杉矶和他在一起 and he would make sure we all converged in LA to be with him
互相了解一下。 and get to get to know each other.
他不是一个完美的人，但我钦佩他和孩子们在一起的方式 He wasn't a perfect person, but I admired how he was with his kids
以及他对我们的期望。 and what he wanted for us.
阿里：当你们都长大成人并结婚的时候， ALI: When you all get to be grown ladies and get married,
我们回顾了当你出现的时候 and we look back when you were coming up
你可以说，“我没有和我所有的兄弟姐妹住在一起， "you can say, "I didn't live with all my sisters and brothers,
但是爸爸让我看到了他们，我们认识他们。 but Daddy let me see 'em, and we knew 'em."
“爸爸，让我们一起玩吧。” "Daddy let us play together."
拉哈曼：回到穆罕默德和我还是孩子的时候，他会说， RAHAMAN: Back in the days when Muhammad and I was young kids, he would say,
“鲁迪，我能从星星上看到它。上帝在和我说话。” "Rudy, I can see it in the stars. God is talking to me."
他会告诉我他的命运，他会有多伟大。 He would tell me his destiny, how great he would be.
他说：“我希望你和我在一起。我爱你，我的兄弟。” He said, "And I want you to be with me. I love you, my brother."
他是一个甜蜜，甜蜜，甜蜜的人。 He's a sweet, sweet, sweet person.
上帝赐予他预言未来的洞察力。 God blessed him with having insight to predict the future.
“我要成为世界上最伟大的拳击手。我要成为一个伟大的人。” "I'm gonna be the world's greatest boxer. I'm gonna be a great man."
他想出名是为了帮助别人。 He wanted to become famous to help people.
他是一个非常非常棒的..。 He's a wonderful, wonderful...
我记得我为父亲感到非常自豪 I can remember feeling very proud of my father
还有一种压倒性的自豪感。我想这是一种欣喜的感觉。 and just an overwhelming sense of pride. I guess it's a euphoric feeling.
你知道吗，当我..。从很小的时候， You know, when I was... From an early age,
我们一起去的任何地方，因为不仅仅是他引起了注意， anywhere we'd go together, because not just him getting attention,
但人们会对他做出反应，有时他们会流泪。 but the way that people would react to him and sometimes they'd be in tears.
我知道我妈妈没见过我爸爸， And I know my mother hadn't seen my dad,
也许，我会说，在结婚后的三四年。 maybe, I would say, three or four years after the marriage.
你知道，他会回心转意，也许三年过去了 You know, he would come around and three years might have gone by
在她没有见过他的地方，当他来到家里时， where she hadn't seen him and when he came to the house,
我们住在威尼斯运河，她再婚了 we lived in the Venice Canals, she was remarried
她看着他，拥抱了他。 and she looked at him and she hugged him.
然后她开始哭，然后离开了房间。 Then she started to cry and she left the room.
我父亲看着我说：“她为什么哭？” My father looked at me and he says, "Why is she crying?"
所以我不得不问她。她说：“嗯，我看着他的眼睛，我看到了上帝。” So I had to ask her. She said, "Well, I looked into his eyes and I saw God."
所以，你知道，我说，“哦。” So, you know, and I said, "Oh."
(笑)“我知道你的意思，”你知道吗？ (LAUGHS) "I know what you mean," you know?
他的眼睛里有一丝光芒 He has this twinkle in his eye
他内心深处有一种如此深刻的精神 and he has this spirit within him that's so profound
当人们看到他时，有时会感动到只会沉默。 that people sometimes are moved to just silence when they see him.
我觉得这只会让你， It just makes you more, I think,
只认识到名声和名人的精神方面。 cognizant of just the spiritual side of fame and celebrity.
不仅因为出名而出名，还会让你想知道为什么。 Not just famous for being famous, but it makes you wanna know why.
为什么他出名，为什么人们喜欢他， Why he was famous, why people love him,
他所持的立场和争议。 the stands that he took, the controversy.
他所经历的一切，都是他故事的一部分 Everything that he went through, it's all part of his story
才能走到现在的位置。 of getting to where he is now.
你知道，起起伏伏造就了他。 You know, the ups and the downs that all makes him who he is.
露易丝：我和他一起在鹿湖训练营。 LOIS: I'm with him in his training camp at Deer Lake.
冷的。冷得要命。 Cold. Freezing cold.
嗯，你知道，外面10度，也许零下20度，风很冷。 Um, you know, ten degrees outside and maybe 20 degrees below zero, wind chill.
他会说，“嘿，乔治，我们去散散步吧。” And he'd say, "Hey, George, let's go for a walk."
我说，“什么，你疯了吗？”“嘿，乔治，我们去散散步吧！” I said, "What, are you crazy?" "Hey, George, let's go for a walk!"
我说，“什么.”“嘿，乔治，我们去散散步吧！” I said, "What..." "Hey, George, let's go for a walk!"
我想他有些事要告诉我。 I figure he's got something he's gotta tell me.
我们在雪地里出去，然后我们... And we go out in the snow and we're...
(模仿雪地行走的声音) (MIMICS SOUND OF WALKING IN SNOW)
在雪地里漫步。 Walking in the snow.
我们走了大约三四十英尺，然后他说：“嗨，乔治。” We walk about 30, 40 feet and then he said, "Hey, George."
我想，它来了。 I figure, here it comes.
你知道我拿到了拳击史上最快的左手。 "You know I got the fastest left hand in the history of boxing."
而我..。(模仿雪地行走的声音) And I... (MIMICS SOUND OF WALKING IN SNOW)
我说：“是啊，对于……重量级选手最快的左手。” I said, "Yeah, for... fastest left hand for a heavyweight."
(模仿雪地行走的声音) (MIMICS SOUND OF WALKING IN SNOW)
“不，每一个重量级别。”我说，“不，不，哇。” "No, no, no, every weight class." I said, "No, no, whoa, whoa, whoa."
威利·佩普，轻量级，中量级。苏格·雷·罗宾逊。不，不，不。 Willie Pep, lightweight, middleweight. Sugar Ray Robinson... No, no, no.
你拿到了重量级拳击史上最快的左手。 "You got the fastest left hand in the history of boxing heavyweight."
他说，“每个重量级别。” He said, "Every weight class."
“你想...你想看吗？”我说，“是啊。” "You wanna... you wanna see it?" I said, "Yeah."
“你想再看一次吗？” "You wanna see it again?"
我认为他是二十世纪最伟大的人之一。 I think he's one of the greatest men of the twentieth century.
有史以来最伟大的英雄之一。不是我们的时间，而是所有的时间。 One of the great heroes of all time. Not our time, all time.
有史以来最著名的美国人。 The most famous American ever.
直到今天。永远不会。嗯。全世界。 To this day. Ever. Yeah. Worldwide.
我是说，谁不知道穆罕默德·阿里是谁？ I mean, who doesn't know who Muhammad Ali is?
(拳击铃声) (BOXING BELL RINGS)
基尔罗伊：我记得乔·弗雷泽的第二场比赛， KILROY: I remember the second Joe Frazier fight,
纽约市的麦迪逊广场花园。阿里非常轻松地击败了乔·弗雷泽。 Madison Square Garden in New York City. Ali beat Joe Frazier very easily.
第二天，他们举行了记者招待会， The next day they have a press conference,
所以我们从中央公园东边的埃塞克斯大厦走过来， so we walk from the Essex House, Central Park East,
一直到麦迪逊广场花园。 all the way down to Madison Square Garden.
他看起来很好，他知道他看起来很好。 He looked good and he knew he looked good.
他可以照镜子。 He could look in the mirror.
他从来没有见过他不喜欢的镜子。往里面看。 He'd never seen a mirror he didn't like. Look in there.
当我们到达麦迪逊广场花园时， By the time we got to Madison Square Garden,
我们身后一定有1000人。 there must have been 1,000 people behind us.
当我环顾四周时，我意识到穆罕默德·阿里不仅仅是一个战士。 As I looked around, I realized Muhammad Ali was no mere fighter.
他不仅仅是一名斗士。他是世界之王。 He was more than just a fighter. He was King of the World.
只是又一个普通的一天。 Just another ordinary day.
七年了，还是老样子。 Seven years, same old way.
死亡是很难熬的。 Dying is hard.
我做不到！忍耐留下来。 I can'! Bear to stay.
只是又一个普通的一天。 Just another ordinary day.
七年后，生命就会腐烂。 Seven years, life rots away.
而死亡是很难熬的。 And dying is hard.
我做不到！忍耐留下来。 I can'! Bear to stay.
不过是另一个普通人。 Just another ordinary.
只是又一个普通的一天。 Just another ordinary day.
清晨来临，然后它把你带走。 Morning comes and then it takes you away.
基尔罗伊：我昨晚做了个梦。你和我曾经在一起。我们都是老人了。 KILROY: I had a dream last night. You and I were together. We're old men.
但我们坐在那里，我们在聊天。“我们玩得很开心。” But we're sitting and we're talking. "We had some fun. "
你说：“吉恩，你还记得吗？你还记得吗，吉恩？” And you said, "Gene, you remember? You remember, Gene?"
哈娜：穆罕默德·阿里！ HANA: Muhammad Ali!
阿里：我希望我有我小时候的录像带。 ALI: I wish that I had tapes of myself from when I was this small.
我相信大多数人都会这样做，但很多人从来没有想过这些事情。 I'm sure most people do, but many people never think about these things.
感谢万能的真主真主让我感激生命 Well, thank the Almighty God Allah that I appreciate life
我意识到生活是多么美好 and I realize how great life is
一旦我们老了，你会记得又回到了这个年纪。 once we get old and you remember being back at this age again.
呃，我知道能把所有这些事情都记录下来是件好事。 Uh, I know it's nice to have a record of all these things.
阿里：这是历史良心。我总是在想历史。 ALI: It's history conscience. I'm always thinking about history.
如果有人想知道为什么我穆罕默德·阿里要制作这些录像带， If anyone wondered why me, Muhammad Ali, is making these tapes,
这是因为历史是如此美丽。 it's because history is so beautiful.
在我们活着的时候，我们没有意识到。 At the time we're living life, we don't realize.
汉娜：我们找到了我们的爱。 HANA: We found our love.
阿里：在蓝莓山。 ALI: On Blueberry Hill.
韩娜：在蓝莓山。 HANA: On Blueberry Hill.
阿里：她是我的。 ALI: She was mine.
汉娜：她是我的。 HANA: She was mine.
休：很久很久以前。 AU: Once upon a time.
汉娜：很久以前。 HANA: Once upon a time.
阿里：这是1979年12月6日，大约晚上11点 ALI: This is December 6th, 1979, about 11:00pm.
下线了。再见，各位。 Signing off. Goodbye, y'all.
哦，哦。 Ooh.
我有种感觉。 I get a feeling.
周围的人都想把我扔下去。 People all around trying to throw me down.
哦，哦。 Ooh.
我需要重做一次。 I need a re-do.
所以我挥动了一下，让你转了个圈。 So I took a swing and spun you around.
阿里：你说呢，空姐？你是说飞机要坠毁了？ ALI: What do you say, stewardess? You mean the plane is gonna crash?
祈祷吗？背诵一段圣经经文。 Say a prayer? Recite a Bible verse.
好吧，我不知道什么圣经诗句。 Well, I don't know no Bible verse.
只是做一些宗教的事情？嗯，我要收集一些。 Just do something religious? Mm, I'll take up a collection.
(众笑) (LAUGHTER)
儿子。 Son.
我们真的在做这件事。 We got it realty going on.
你最好快跑。 You'd better run.
像微风一样奔跑。 Run like the breeze.
哦 Ooh.
我得搬家了。 I gotta move.
周围的人都在挡我的路。 People all around getting in my way.
哦 Ooh.
我赤身裸体。 I get naked.
我有话要说。 I got something to give Something to say.
儿子 Son.
我们已经开始了。 We got it going on.
你最好像微风一样奔跑。 You'd better run like the breeze.
儿子 Son.
我们正在进行现实的事情。 We got it realty going on.
你最好快跑。 You'd better run.
像微风一样奔跑。 Run like the breeze.
哦 Oh.
你最好跑，你最好跑。 You'd better run, you'd better run.
哦 Oh.
你最好快跑。 You'd better run.
哦 Oh.
你最好跑，你最好跑。 You'd better run, you'd better run.
哦，你最好快跑。 Oh, you'd better run.
哦 Oh.
你最好跑，你最好跑。 You'd better run, you'd better run.
哦 Oh.
你最好快跑。 You'd better run.
哦 Oh.
你最好跑，你最好跑。 You'd better run, you'd better run.
哦，你最好快跑 Oh, you'd better run