当我讲我的故事的时候 When I tell people my story
人们并不相信 they don't believe it.
换作是我 我也不会相信 I guess I wouldn't believe the story
别人讲这样的故事 但是 我还是要讲 if someone else were telling it, but, I'm telling it
而且它是真的 每个字都是 and it's true, every word of it.
故事从56年前我出生那一刻起就开始了 It started when I was born, 56 years ago,
但对于我 则是在19岁时 but the real story began when I was 19 years old
在我上大学的时候 and I went to college.
片名 孪 生 陌 生 人
那是1980年 大学的第一天 It was 1980. It was the first day of school
沙利文县社区学院 在卡次启尔山上 at Sullivan County Community College up in the Catskills,
离我长大的地方约110英里 about 110 miles from where I grew up.
所以 我一个人开车到那里 So, I drove up there alone.
我做着同一个旧梦 I get the same old dreams
在每个夜里同一时间 Same time every night
翻滚到地上 醒来... Fall to the ground and I wake up...
我那时有一辆很旧的车 一辆沃尔沃 I used to have this really old car. It was a Volvo.
1970年产的沃尔沃 And it was a 1970 Volvo.
里程有130,000英里了 Had like 130,000 miles on it.
车身是酒红的 引擎盖是绿色的 And the car was burgundy and the hood was green.
实际上 我叫它“老婊子” Actually, the car was called the Old Bitch.
自从你走后 Since you been gone
我魂不守舍... I'm out of my head...
但“老婊子”带我到了那儿 But the Old Bitch got me there.
沙利文是一所社区学院 Sullivan was a community college.
它不是什么历史悠久的高等学府 This wasn't some longstanding institution of higher learning.
那些箱式轿车把孩子们放下 All these station wagons are dropping kids off.
我很紧张 我刚到学校 I was nervous, I'd just gotten to the school,
我谁也不认识 我是一个新生 I didn't know anybody. I was a freshman.
我从未当过高中橄榄球队队长 I was never the captain of the football team in high school,
所以我从来不喜欢出名 so I was never really like popular.
所以 我四处转转试着找到自己的宿舍 So, I'm walking around trying to find where my dorm is.
这时候 所有这些人都来找我 Meanwhile all these people are coming up to me
给我说“嗨 你好吗?” saying "Hi, how are you?"
“这个夏天怎么样?” "How was your summer?"
“我的很棒 你的呢?” “超赞” "Mine was great. How was yours?" "Super."
他们为什么问我夏天怎么样? 我不知道 Why are they asking me how my summer was? I don't know.
每个人对我都极其友好 Everybody's being extremely friendly to me
他们热情洋溢跟我打招呼 and they're going out of their way to do it.
不只跟我说“嗨” I don't mean just a 'hi',
我是说 还会拍我的背 跟我击掌 I mean, claps on the back and high fives.
我对此有点困惑 And I was a little bit bewildered by this
因为其他人没有这种欢迎 because no one gets this kind of a welcome
在开学的第一天 on their first day at school.
女孩们会亲吻我 And girls were kissing me,
那种火热的吻就像说 “真高兴你回来了” like fully kissing me saying, "I'm so glad you came back."
我就回“谢谢”“你好” And I was saying 'thank you' and 'hello' back
其实我从未到过那里 我也不认识他们 but I had never been there before and I didn't know them.
那很奇怪 It was bizarre.
接下来我听到他们在背后说 And the next thing I heard from right behind me.
“欢迎回来 艾迪!” "Welcome back. Eddy!"
“艾迪! 你好吗? 艾迪 嗨!” "Eddy! How are you? Eddy, hi!"
我说 “我不叫艾迪 I'm like, "My name's not Eddy.
我不知道你们在说什么 我刚来” "I don't know what you're talking about. I just got up here."
“当然 艾迪 你真的很有趣 "Sure, Eddy, you're really funny,
“真的 真的很有趣” "you're really funny, real funny."
我又说 “我不是艾迪 我不知道艾迪是谁” I'm like, "I'm not Eddy. I don't know who Eddy is."
“欢迎回来 艾迪” 他们都这么说 "Welcome back, Eddy", they were all saying.
我终于迷迷糊糊找到了宿舍 I finally made it to this dump of a dorm room.
还不到一分钟... Before a minute had gone by...
...“又是谁? 谁又来找艾迪?” ..."Who now? Who now is gonna come to find Eddy?"
我上一年跟艾迪一起上课 I had been at college the previous year with Eddy,
所以我知道他没回学校 and I knew that he wasn't coming back to school.
当这个家伙转过身来 我... As soon as this guy turned around, I...
我...我其实在颤抖 I was, I was actually shaking.
我...我知道我的脸都白了 I was... I know all color from my face dropped
因为我知道这是另一个他 cos I knew it was his double.
同样的笑容 同样的头发 同样的表情 He had the same grin, the same hair, the same expressions.
跟他完全一样 It was his double.
我看着这个家伙的脸 他就像... And I see this guy's face and he's like...
...只会站在那里 ...just standing there.
我说的第一句话是“你是被领养的吗?” The first thing out of my mouth was "Were you adopted?"
我说“是的” Er... and I was like, "Yes."
我问“你生日是7月12日吗?” 他说是的 I said, "ls your birthday July 12th?" He said yes.
我说“1961年7月12日” I was like, "July 12th 1961."
“哦 我的天” 我说 “你不会相信的” "Oh my God", I said, "You're not gonna believe this."
“你有一个孪生兄弟 你有一个兄弟” I said, "You have a twin brother. You have a twin."
“哦 我的天” "Oh my God."
我说 “跟我来” I said, "Come with me."
然后我们两个挤进了电话亭 And the two of us are crammed into this phone booth,
肩并肩 你知道 我们不得不那样 shoulder to shoulder and you know, we had to like,
关上电话亭的门 close the door of the phone booth.
我努力把硬币投进去 And I'm trying to put the coins in
它们却不停地掉到地上 and they keep falling on the floor
鲍比拾起硬币 and Bobby's picking up the coins.
他给那个人拨通了电话 他说 And he calls this guy and he's like,
“嘿 艾迪 你不会相信的” "Hey, Eddy, you're not gonna believe this,
“你不会相信的” "you're not gonna believe this.
“艾迪 艾迪 你不会相信的” "Eddy, Eddy, you are not gonna believe this."
这个家伙比我还激动 This guy's more hysterical than I am like weirded out.
“艾迪 你不会相信的” "Eddy, you are not gonna believe this."
然后我说 “给我电话” So I was like, "Give me the phone."
我说 “嗨 艾迪?” “是的” So I'm like, "Hi, Eddy?" "Yes."
但听起来是我在说“是的” But it was my voice that said, "Yes."
我说 “嗨 艾迪 我叫罗伯特·沙弗兰” And I said, "Hi, Eddy, my name is Robert Shafran
“而且 我在这里见的所有人” "and, er... I'm meeting all these people
“都说我是你” "who say I'm you."
他说 “嗯哼 我接到了一些电话” And he said, "Uh-huh, yeah, I've been getting some calls."
我说 “你是被领养的吗?” 他说 “是的” I said, "Were you adopted?" and he said, "Yes."
我说 “你生日是什么时候?” And I said, "When was your birthday?"
“7月12日” "July 12th."
我说 “你知道领养机构的名称吗?” And I said, "Do you know what the name of the agency was?"
他说 “不 等等” And he said, "No, hold on."
我听到他说 “妈妈?” And I heard him go like, "Mom?"
他回来了 说“路易丝·怀斯服务” And he came back and he said, "Louise Wise Services."
有时候就像是在做梦 Sometimes when you are just having a dream,
你觉得这不是真的 这不是真的 you know this can't be real, this can't be real.
但你又知道你其实无法阻止它 But you know there's nothing you can do to stop it,
发起它 改变它 你只能适应它 start it, change it, you just go with it
这就是我要做的事情 and that's what I was doing.
我只想看看接下来会发生什么 I just wanted to see what was gonna happen next.
我说 “我们走吧 我们去见艾迪吧” And I'm like, "Let's go. Let's go meet Eddy."
然后我们坐上“老婊子” So we got into the Old Bitch.
那是晚上9点左右 It was about 9 o'clock at night
大约两小时车程 and it's about a two-hour ride.
我们在17号公路上超速行驶 And we were speeding on route 17.
我们每小时跑100英里 也许更多 We were going 100 miles per hour, perhaps more.
我们超速驾驶 We were speeding.
我们跑到了车的极限 We're driving as fast as this car would go.
车在抖动 It was shaking.
我们被一名纽约州警察逼停 And we got pulled over by a New York State trooper.
我摇下窗户 是一个大块头警察 And as I roll down my window there's this gigantic cop
戴着墨镜 即便那是晚上 with like the sunglasses even though it's night time.
戴着大帽子 In the big hat.
他说 “你知道吗 限速50的路段你跑了88” He said, "You know, I clocked you at 88 in a 50.
“孩子 你最好找个好理由” "Son, you better have a really good reason."
我说 And I was like,
“好吧 警官 你永远不会相信的” "Well, Officer, you're never gonna believe this."
我们俩就像对他喊了出来 The two of us are like yelling at this guy.
“你 你不知道” "You, you don't know,
“这家伙 这家伙有一个孪生兄弟” "this guy, this guy has a twin brother,
“他是被领养的 我们要去长岛看看...” "he was adopted and we're going to Long Island to go see..."
而且 而且 那个家伙说 “是的 没错” 你知道的 And, and, and the guy was, "Yeah, right." You know.
“这是你的罚单 祝你们美好的一天” "Here's, here's your ticket have a good day."
我们去了长岛 And on to Long Island we went.
然后 我们到了那里 So, we got there.
但那是半夜 But it's like, the middle of the night.
那是一个非常安静的社区 And it's this really quiet neighborhood.
然后 我们下了车 So, we get out of the car.
沿着一条小路走到房子那 And walk up this little path to the house.
房子里的灯亮着 And the lights were on in the house.
然后我伸手去敲门 And I reached out to knock on the door
当我正要敲门时 门开了 and as I reached out to knock on the door it opens.
我来了 And there I am.
他的眼睛跟我一样 我的眼睛跟他的一样 His eyes were my eyes and my eyes were his eyes
这是真的 and it's true.
他们看起来完全一样 They looked exactly alike.
他们复制了彼此 They're duplicates of each other.
毫无疑问 他们是双胞胎 There was no doubt in my mind that they were twins.
他说 “哦 我的天” 我说 “哦 我的天” He's going, "Oh my God." I'm going, "Oh my God."
他说 “老天啊” 我说 “老天啊” He's going, "Holy crap." I'm going, "Holy crap."
他们只是看着对方 然后动来动去... They just looked at each other and they moved...
当鲍比摇头时 艾迪也摇头 Every time Bobby moved his head, Eddy moved
然后艾迪在动 鲍比也跟着动 and then Eddy would move and then Bobby would move,
就像 就像他们在照镜子 like, like they were looking at a mirror.
那真是最奇怪的事情 It was the weirdest thing.
就像这世界逐渐消失 It was like the world faded away,
只剩下我和艾迪 and it was just me and Eddy.
纽约日报
我在新闻编辑室 正是忙碌的一天 So, I'm in the newsroom, it's the middle of a busy day,
我们接到一个电话 we got a call from somebody
说他们有一个惊人的故事告诉我们 who says they have an amazing story to tell us,
霍华德·施奈德 纽约日报 1969-2004
我们不相信这个故事 we are not gonna believe this story,
我的第一反应是 “啊 这是骗局” and my first reaction, "Ah, it's a hoax."
所以 我告诉记者 “我要租一架飞机” So, I told our reporter, "I wanna rent a plane."
那时候 我们有足够的钱来做这件事 In those days we had enough money to do this.
“我要租一架飞机 我要马上面对面见到这两个孩子” "I wanna rent a plane, I wanna see these two kids face to face
“不然我不会相信” "or I don't believe this."
我们的记者飞到沙利文社区学院 We flew the journalist up to Sullivan Community College
他打电话给我 “霍华德 这是真的 这是真的” and he called me and he said, "Howie, it's true, it's true.
我记得我说 “哦 我的天 这是一个很棒的故事” And I remember saying, "Oh my God, this is a great story.
“这是一个值得纪念的暖心的故事” "This is a memorable heart-warming story."
然后故事从难以置信变为不可思议 And then the story went from being amazing to incredible, OK,
从难以置信变为不可思议 from amazing to incredible.
我在纽约地铁站 I was on the New York Subway.
晚上很晚了 Quite late at night.
读了一篇关于两个男孩发现彼此的文章 Read an article about two boys who found each other.
一对双胞胎在出生时被分开 That were twins separated at birth
然后找到了彼此 and found each other
在沙利文县社区学院 at Sullivan County Community College.
没有照片 但这个故事很吸引人 There was no picture, but the story was fascinating.
我回到家 然后睡觉了 I came home, and went to sleep.
我母亲走进房间 My mother came into the room
并说 “醒醒 醒醒 我必须给你看样东西” and said, "Wake up, wake up, I have to show you something."
她给我看了一份报纸 And she shows me a newspaper
有两个男孩的照片 with a picture of two boys
我不得不集中精神 我看着照片 and I had to like, focus and I looked at the photograph
我问 “是大卫吗?” and I said, "Is that David?"
她说 “不 但是看看他们手” And she's like, "No, but look at the hands."
而我说 “天呐 这太难以置信了” And I was like, "Holy mackerel. This is beyond amazing."
报纸上印有一张两人照片 It was a picture in the newspaper of two guys,
是“邮报”上的 我拿起照片 in the "Post" and I picked up the picture
我看着它 and I looked at it,
我很震惊 and I was like in shock,
因为“邮报”上的两个人看起来完全 完全 cos the two guys in the "Post" looked exactly, exactly
像我的朋友大卫 我盯着它看 like, like my friend David. I stared at it.
那不仅仅是他们的长相 And it wasn't even just the look on their face.
还有他们举手的方式 It was the way that they were holding their hands.
他们有着又大又肉的手 跟大卫的一样 They have these big meaty hands. And David always had this,
看起来像棒球手套的手 these hands that looked like baseball mitts.
当我看到他们的手时 我以为那是大卫 And when I saw their hands, I just knew that this is David.
那是一个平常的日子 It was just a normal day.
我去上学 遇到我的哥们艾伦 I got to school, ran into my buddy Alan.
他说 “大卫 看看这个” He said, "David, take a look at this."
他拿了一份《纽约邮报》的副本 And he's got a copy of the "New York Post".
然后 呃...他打开它 And, er... he opens it up
并说 “看看这个” and says, "Look at this.
“看 看起来很熟悉?” 就是那种感觉 "Look, look familiar?" Something to that effect.
我说 “是的 没错 当然” And I said, "Yeah, right. Sure."
看起来相似的面孔 令大学疑惑——直到被发现是出生后分离的双胞胎
但后来我们仔细看了一下 But then we looked at it a little bit more closely.
是一篇文章 报道了 It was an article, it said,
“一对双胞胎在19年后重新团聚” "Twins reunited after more than 19 years."
上面有一张看起来像我的两人照片 And it had a picture of two of what looked like me.
...被发现是双胞胎...
时间突然静止了 It all started to sink in. ...被发现是双胞胎...
...出生后分离 时间突然静止了 It all started to sink in.
“天呐 哦 我的天” "Holy shit, oh my God.
“你? 这是...这是不可能的” "Do you? This is un... this is not believable,
“这是 这真不可思议 哇哦!” "this is, this is unbelievable. Wow!
“这是大事 这很严肃” "This is big, this is serious,
“这不是什么疯狂的巧合” "this is just not some kind of crazy coincidence.
“这不是一个小小的相似” "This is not a minor resemblance.
“这是真的 这种事发生了” "This is real, this is happening,
“这真的非常非常严肃” "this is really, really serious."
艾迪? 你是我的孪生兄弟
我逃课赶回家 I ditched classes and got home.
我妈妈在厨房的桌子旁等着 My mother was waiting at the kitchen table
拿着一杯咖啡 with a cup of coffee.
我说 “妈妈 你看到了吗?” And I said, "Mom, you see this?"
她说 “你看到了吗?” 我们就交换了报纸 She said, "You see this?" And we kinda exchanged newspapers.
上面写着 “...出生于长岛犹太医院” It had, "...born Long Island Jewish Hospital."
“1961年7月12日” "July 12th, 1961."
还有路易丝·怀斯领养机构 And it was Louise Wise adoption agency.
我是说 我一直都知道我是被领养的 I mean, I always knew growing up that I was adopted.
我的父母一直很开明 My parents were always open about it.
上面说长岛新海德公园的艾迪·嘉兰 But it said Eddy Galland of New Hyde Park, Long Island,
纽约斯卡斯代尔的罗伯特·沙弗兰 Robert Shafran of Scarsdale, New York.
我记得上面说 I remember it said,
“斯卡斯代尔著名医生莫特·沙弗兰的儿子” "Son of prominent Scarsdale physician Mort Shafran"
而且 呃...我的第一个想法是 and, er... my first thought, I said,
“他去了富裕的家庭” "He's got the wealthy family.
“那个傻逼可能正开着奔驰! 他爸爸是医生!” "That SOB's probably driving a Benz! He got a doctor!"
熟悉的脸孔
我记得和大卫在厨房待在一起 And I remember being with David in the kitchen.
我们真的很紧张 We were like, really nervous.
我是说 我们 你知道 上蹿下跳 那是... I mean we were, you know, jumping around, it was...
你知道 我们19岁了 我是说那简直是脱离现实的 You know, we were 19 years old. I mean this was surreal.
大卫拿起电话 他打电话给信息处 And David picked up the phone and he called Information,
他找到了艾迪的妈妈 and he reached Eddy's mom.
我说 “嗨 是艾迪家吗?” And I said, "Hi, is Eddy home?"
她说 “不是 请问你是谁?” She says, "No, who's calling, please?"
我想 “好吧” And I thought, "OK,
“现在我必须在电话里说清楚” "now I've gotta go into this whole thing on the phone."
我说 “好吧 我叫大卫·凯尔曼” I said, "Well, my name is David Kellman,
“我出生于1961年7月12日” "and I was born July 12th 1961
“我正在看一份报纸” "and I'm looking at a newspaper
“而且 呃...基本上我觉得我在看两个我” "and, er... basically I think I'm looking at two of me.
“我想我可能是第三个” "I think I might be the third."
我想她其实是扔掉了电话 And I think she dropped the phone, actually.
我记得通过电话听到她的声音 And I remember hearing her voice over the phone,
“哦 我的天 他们是刻出来的!” "Oh my God, they're coming out of the woodwork!"
那是一个奇迹 It was a miracle.
男孩们第一次见面 The first time that the boys met together,
三个人在我家 the three together was at my house.
他们三人终于相见了 And the three of them ended up
像小狗在地上打滚 like puppies wrestling on the floor.
那真是最令人难以置信的... It was the most incredible...
最令人难以置信的事 it was the most incredible thing.
他们属于彼此 They belonged to each other.
他们互相认识 虽然没有正式介绍 They knew each other. There was no formal introduction.
我是说 当你第一次见到某人时 I mean, when you meet somebody for the first time
你不会和他们在地板上滚来滚去 you don't end up rolling around on the floor with them.
这真是完全不可思议 It was truly not fully believable.
即使它正在发生 它仍然是脱离现实的 Even though it was happening it was still surreal.
你觉得你在做梦 You think you're dreaming.
你看着 仍然会说 “哦 我的天” You're looking and you're still "Oh my God."
你看另一个 “哦 我的天” You look at the other one, "Oh my God."
然后你意识到他们也在看你 And then you realize that they're looking at you
或者其他人也在看你 or everybody else is looking at you too.
一次让所有三个人都在家里... To have all three of them in the house at one time...
那...真的很疯狂 It... it was really madness.
我当时震惊 震惊 再震惊 My emotions were shock, shock and more shock.
我是说 我无法解释 I mean, I can't explain it,
我找不到语言 I haven't got the terminology.
我们的一位记者跑到我面前说 One of our reporters came running over to me and said
“你不会相信的” "You're not gonna believe this,
“你不会相信我们刚刚接到的电话” "you are not gonna believe the call we just got.
“你知道今天头版上的两个孩子吗?” "You know the two kids on the front page today?
“好吧 还有第三个” "Well, there's a third."
他们甚至以同样的方式活动 They even moved the same way.
我们所有人都坐了下来 All of us just sat back
看着三个独立的生命融为一体 and watched three separate lives becoming one.
用我的话说 The way I put it was
我看起来更像艾迪而不是大卫 I looked more like Eddy than I did David,
又更像大卫而不是艾迪 and more like David than I did Eddy,
也比他们任何一个都更像另一个 and more like either of them than they did like each other.
你能想象吗? Does that make sense?
然后我们开始相互交流 And then we started comparing notes.
19岁的孩子交流什么呢? What do 19-year-olds compare?
酒 香烟 食物 女人 音乐 汽车 Booze, cigarettes, food, women, music, cars.
我刚买了一辆全新的水星卡普里 我超爱 I had just brought a brand new Mercury Capri, which I loved.
而鲍比有一辆 酒红的老旧的沃尔沃 And Bobby had this, Maroon beat up old Volvo
有着破旧的真皮座椅 我就想 with cracked leather seats and I'm thinking,
“嗯 一位著名斯卡斯代尔医生的儿子 嗯?” "Hmm, son of a prominent Scarsdale physician, huh?"
我想是艾迪说的 I think it was Eddy who said
最开始 right at the beginning,
“我不知道这会是好事还是坏事” "I don't know if this will turn out to be great or terrible."
所以 一直有一个问号 一个很大的问号 So, there was always a question mark, a big question mark,
关于故事究竟会怎样发展 about where the story eventually was going.
在此之前我们都没有意识到 We didn't realize from then on
生活会发生多大变化 just how much things were going to change.
这是我迄今见到的最引人注目的故事之一 'Now one of the most remarkable stories I've seen in some time:
一个三胞胎的故事 'a story about triplets.
艾迪 罗伯特和大卫在19年后重聚 'Eddy and Robert and David reunited after 19 years.'
我们有一个三胞胎的故事 让我们重新认识了这个词 'We have a story about triplets that gives new meaning
“久违兄弟” 'to the phrase long lost brothers.'
我们一起经历一切一切 We went on everything. Everything.
你看到的不是两个一样的人 'You're not seeing double
你可能突然间看到三个 'you are perhaps in a moment going to be seeing triple.'
我不知道这里谁是谁 'I don't know who's who here.
来吧 先生们 来吧 'Come on out here, gentlemen, come on out.'
你只是会停下你在做的事 You just had to stop what you're doing
然后在每个不同的节目上看他们 and watch them on every different show.
仿佛出现了一个马戏团 一个媒体马戏团 It became a circus, it became a media circus.
就像病毒 我是说...它随后蔓延开来 Talk about viral, I mean this was... it was viral even then.
你们占据了每家报纸的头版 'You guys have been on the front page of every newspaper
世界范围的 是的 'in the world.' 'True.'
找到彼此的三胞胎
《人物杂志》 《时代杂志》 "People Magazine", "Time Magazine",
小伙 噢小伙 噢小伙! 如果你认识其中一个 你可能认识他们全部!
甚至是《纽约时报》 《好管家》 even the "New York Times", "Good Housekeeping".
出生即分离的三胞胎 我们如何在19年后重聚的
大卫 从你说起吧 'David, let's begin with you.
哪一个是大卫? 我总是忘记 'Which one's David, I keep forgetting?'
你是爱德华? 对 'You're Edward?' 'Right.'
好吧 你是谁 是大卫吗? 'OK, who are you, are you David?'
我是鲍比 哦 你是...抱歉 'I'm Bobby.' 'Oh, you're... I'm sorry.
你是罗伯特 好的 罗伯特和爱德华 'You're Robert, all right. Robert and Edward.'
拜托 'Come on.'
这是个童话般的故事 It was a fairy tale story.
人们需要听到美妙的事情 And people need to hear wonderful things.
这三个年轻人 'These three young men,
他们坐姿都一样 'they're all seated in the same position.'
这真的很奇妙 他们曾是完全的陌生人 It was kind of amazing. They really were strangers.
他们看起来彼此相同 They looked identical to each other
但他们是陌生人 对吧? but they were strangers, right?
你知道 他们真的不认识 You know, they really didn't know one another.
但他们的行为非常相似 But their behaviors were so similar.
我们的生活惊人的相似 'Our lives are parallel to a phenomenal degree.
太戏剧性了 'It's, it's ridiculous.'
只要讨论到我们的个性 我们都一样 'We're all the same, as soon as we started discussing our personalities.'
个性是一样的 我们的姿势是一样的 'Personalities are the same, our gestures are the same.'
我们总是同时谈话 'We always talk at the same time.'
我说开头 他能说结尾 'I'll start a sentence and he'll finish it.'
我们都喜欢中国菜 'We all like Chinese food.'
你们都曾是摔跤运动员吗? 'You were all wrestlers at one time?'
是的 'Yes.'
你们抽同一个牌子的香烟? 'You all smoke the same brand of cigarettes?'
是的 'Yes.'
你们抽什么样的香烟? 'What kind of cigarettes do you smoke?'
万宝路 'Marlboro.'
你们都抽这一个牌子吗? 'Do you all smoke the same brand?'
是的 'Yes.'
你们喜欢一样的颜色吗? 是的 'Do you like the same colors?' 'Yes.'
我很好奇 他们对女人的品味如何 'Yeah, I was curious, how's their taste in women,
那一样吗? 是的 当然 'is it similar?' 'Yes. Definitely.'
似乎他们都喜欢熟女 It seems they all liked older women.
有人说你们都喜欢熟女 'Somebody said you all liked older women.'
好吧... 'Well...'
另一个令人惊讶的巧合 'Another astonishing coincidence
是每个人家里都有一个领养的姐姐 'is that each of the brothers grew up with an adoptive sister,
所有的女孩现在都21岁了 'all the girls now 21 years old.'
我告诉你们 我无法解释 'I can't get over it, I tell you.'
一系列非同寻常的巧合 'An extraordinary string of coincidences
你们都不得不认同 对吧? 'you all have to agree, right?'
这很美 'It's beautiful.'
你说你们彼此相爱 'You say you love each other,
但是你们才认识这么短的时间 'but you're only known each other for such a short time.'
没关系 我一出生就认识他们了 'Doesn't matter, I've known them my whole life.'
你们用了多久有那种感觉? 'How long did it take for you to have that feeling?'
就像这样 'Like that.'
他们更像克隆人 They were more like clones
而不像兄弟 than they were like brothers.
这非常令人震惊 因为他们成长在 It was just absolutely astounding because they grew up
似乎完全不同的家庭 it would appear to be pretty different households.
我们被一个蓝领家庭 We'd been adopted by a blue-collar family,
一个中产阶级家庭和一个比较富裕的家庭领养 a middle-class family and a more affluent family.
鲍比的父母 他的父亲是一名医生 Bobby's parents, Bobby's father was a medical doctor.
他的母亲是一名律师 And his mother was an attorney.
所以他们受过良好的教育 他们生活在 So they were very well educated and they were living
本国最负盛名的地区之一 in one of the most prestigious areas of the country.
艾迪的父亲是一名教师 他接受过大学教育 Eddy's father was a teacher, he had a college education.
他们生活在被认为是 And they lived in what would be considered
一个中产阶级社区 a middle-class neighborhood.
我的家庭受教育程度最低 My family on paper were the least educated,
他们是移民 英语是他们的第二语言 they were immigrants, English was a second language to them,
他们有一个小商店 they had a little store,
他们更像是蓝领家庭 they were the more blue-collar family.
嗯 但我的父亲是一个 Hmm, but my father was just
非常慷慨温暖的人 this incredibly generous warm guy.
大卫的父亲 理查德是 呃...非常有魅力的人 David's father, Richard was, uh... was larger than life.
如果你能想象这个家伙是个大家伙 If you could imagine this guy was a big guy,
嘴里总叼着一支大雪茄 with a big cigar always hanging out of his mouth.
我们称他是“布巴拉” We referred to him as 'bubala'.
他是布巴拉 He was Bubala.
如果你了解意第绪语 “布巴拉”表示爱 If you know Yiddish, 'bubala' it's like love,
拥抱和亲吻 it's hugging and it's kissing.
我们在大卫的家里度过了更多的时间 We spent more time at David's house
比起任何其他地方 than any place else.
布巴拉接待我们一点也不见外 Bubala celebrated us like no other person.
他说 “我又有了两个儿子” He said, "I have two more sons."
当孩们找到彼此时 When the boys found each other
故事从那一刻就开始了 it just sort of happened then and there.
这是一个精彩的故事 Here is this wonderful story
就是这样 and that's it.
没有人质疑发生了什么事 Nobody questioned what was going on
当然除了父母 except the parents of course.
当所有家庭第一次见面时 When the families met up the first time
所有人都非常愤怒 there was great anger in all of them
因为父母从未被告知 about the fact that the parents had never been told
还有另外两个孩子 that there were two other children.
我们领养时他们没告诉我们任何事 They didn't tell us a word when we were adopting.
我们对其他两个孩子一无所知 We knew nothing about the other two
直到 呃...孩子们在学校见面 until, er... the boys met at, at school,
都过去20年了 that was 20 years later.
让我难过的第一件事是他们失去了什么 The first thing that hit me was what they lost.
我相信他们被分开时 他们才六个月大 I believe they were six months old when they were separated.
如果你能想象三个小家伙躺在一起 If you imagine those three little bodies lying together
突然间 一个人独自躺在婴儿床里 and suddenly the coldness of being alone in a crib.
那真是一种可怕的剥夺 It's a terrible deprivation.
我母亲曾告诉我 I remember being told by my mother
当我还是个孩子的时候 我会用头撞墙 when I was a baby that I would slam my head against the wall,
我基本上会把自己撞晕 I would basically knock myself out.
我母亲说我会敲自己的头 My mother said that I would bang my head
在婴儿床内侧... on the inside of the crib...
...我会屏住呼吸 直到昏倒 ...and I would hold my breath until I passed out.
我相信这绝对是分离焦虑 I believe it was absolutely separation anxiety
我们都是从路易丝·怀斯服务领养的 All of us had been adopted from Louise Wise Services.
路易丝·怀斯服务 'Louise Wise Services,
这家纽约领养机构成立于1916年 'the New York institution founded back in 1916
由董事会监督 'overseen by a board of directors
一群来自纽约市 'drawn from New York City's
社会 金融和政治界的精英 'social, financial and political elite.'
他们曾是杰出的领养机构 They were the pre-eminent adoption agency
特别是对东海岸的犹太婴儿来说 on the East Coast for Jewish babies in particular.
那是个好去处 That was the place to go.
我们认为 What we have felt
在路易丝·怀斯服务 at Louise Wise Services
我在那里工作了 where I have been active
相当长的时间 for a great long time,
养父母应该被告知 is that adoptive parents should be told
在合理条件下尽可能多的孩子的背景 as much about the background of a child as is reasonable.
我们的父母 他们想要答案 他们很生气 Our parents they, they, they wanted answers, they were angry.
他们安排了一次会议 他们...六个 And they arranged a meeting and they... the six of them
来到路易丝·怀斯机构试图得到一些答案 went in to Louise Wise Agency to try to get some answers
拼凑出事情的原因 in terms of piecing together what happened.
在该机构举行了一个高层参加的会议 There was a meeting with the top brass at the agency.
我们问他们 And they were asked,
“是你们把这些刚出生男孩分开的吗?” "Is it true that you separated these boys at birth?"
他们说 “是的 我们做的” And they said, "Yes, we did."
为什么? Why?
你们怎么能不告诉我们? How could you not tell us?
你们做了什么? What did you do?
为什么以及你们怎么能? Why and how could you?
他们说原因是 They said the reason was
因为很难将三个孩子安置在一个家庭 because it was hard to place three children in one home.
父母们被告知 The parents had been told that
是为了我们的最大利益我们才被分开 it was in our best interests that we'd been split up.
因为不是每个家庭都会欢迎三胞胎 That not every parent would welcome triplets,
而且三胞胎很难安置 and that triplets would be difficult to place.
这...我想在那一刻 我的父亲暴怒了 Which... I think at that moment my father blew his stack.
他说 “我们会收养所有三个” And just said, "We would've taken all three.
“毫无疑问” 他很生气 "There's no question." And he was furious.
会议结束后 Well, the meeting came to an end.
他们都离开了 They all left.
他们觉得什么都没得到 They felt like they had gotten nothing.
我的父亲意识到他把伞忘在那里了 And my father realized that he had left his umbrella in there.
然后他回去拿伞 And he went back to get the umbrella.
然后他走进了房间 And he walked into the room
看到他们打开一瓶香槟... to see them breaking open a bottle of champagne...
如同劫后余生一样互相敬酒 and toasting each other as if they had dodged a bullet.
他们看起来好像化险为夷 They looked like they'd just missed getting hurt
或者死里逃生什么的 or killed or what have you.
那真是 呃...那真令人难以忘怀 It was a, er... that was memorable.
我们所有的父母都对这次会议感到愤怒 All of our parents came away from that meeting angry.
父母去了一些非常著名的纽约律师事务所 The parents went to some pretty prestigious New York law firms
最初他们受到很多热情的接待 and initially they were met with a lot of enthusiasm,
但是 呃...总是在很短的时间内 and, er... invariably within a short period of time
就被告知 呃...会有麻烦 were told, er... there's a conflict
他们无法接受此案 and they could not take the case.
他们说 “我们有很多同事” They said, "We have a number of associates
“会在路易丝·怀斯领养孩子” "who are trying to adopt through Louise Wise,
“我们不想毁掉他们的机会” "and we don't wanna ruin their chances."
所以 那场诉讼流产了 So, that lawsuit was out.
我们在一起快乐胜过生气 We were too happy being together to be that angry.
我们不理解 在某种程度上我们甚至不在乎 We didn't understand it and to a degree we almost didn't care.
我们感到手足无措 Our heads were in the clouds,
我们知道我们的父母很生气 we knew our parents were pissed off
但那似乎是 “嗯 那是父母要做的事” but it was almost like, "Well, that's our parents' thing to do"
而我们则出去派对 while we were out partying.
星期五晚上 所有人行动... Friday night and everyone's moving...
这是1980年的纽约 This was New York in 1980.
毒品不同 人不同 Drugs were different, people were different,
性不同 音乐不同 sex was different, music was different.
呼! 我们只是 我们只是利用所有这些东西 Phew! We just, we just took advantage of all those things.
性 毒品 摇滚乐 Sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll.
我们是美国的孩子 哦... We're the kids in America, whoa...
我会说 他们疯狂玩转纽约 They were running amok in New York, I'll say.
54夜店正盛 摇头灯 巴西风情 Studio 54 was cooking. Limelight. Copacabana.
他们全玩儿遍了 They were hitting them all.
纽约爱我们 纽约爱我们 New York loved us. New York loved us.
重聚兄弟 三倍快乐
所有报纸都跟着这些男孩来来去去 All the newspapers were following the boys around
无论我们去哪里 no matter where we went.
家庭欢聚在聚光灯下
我记得有一天早上走进来 I remember one morning walking in
我母亲把《纽约邮报》扔给我 and my mother throwing the "New York Post" at me,
在厨房的桌子上说 “我得看报纸” at the kitchen table saying, "I gotta look at the paper
“才知道你昨晚去哪了?” "to find out where you were last night?"
男孩们觉得他们会成为明星 The boys thought they were gonna be stars,
实际上他们确实参演了一部电影 and actually they did star in one movie.
走在街上 我们突然听到 Walking down the street, all of a sudden we hear,
“伙计们 伙计们 是你们! "Guys, guys, you're the guys!
“你们能参演我们的电影吗?” "Could you please be in our movie?
“请参演我的电影吧” "Please be in my movie."
我们不知道她是谁 其实她是 她是麦当娜 We didn't know who she was, and she was, she was Madonna.
站在一边 色色地看她 The stood on the side and ogled her.
很快我们一起找了间公寓 Pretty soon we got an apartment together,
三胞胎公寓 the triplets apartment.
三胞胎公寓 The triplet's apartment.
嗯 就像你最普通的单身公寓一样 Hmm, it's like if you had the most bachelor apartment
乘以三 times three.
有运送酒水的酒品店 The liquor store used to deliver the liquor.
有一次 艾迪患阑尾炎 At one point Eddy had appendicitis.
他没有保险 He had no insurance.
所以他假装鲍比住了医院 And so he checked into the hospital as Bobby.
并将他的阑尾取出 作为鲍比 And had his appendix taken out. As Bobby.
我希望至今鲍比的阑尾保持健康 I hope to this day Bobby's appendix stays pretty healthy.
一起工作 一起玩儿 Between working together, playing together,
一起出去 一起约会 going out together, going on dates together,
住在一起 living together,
从我们见面直到...直到后来 from the time we met till... well till later
没有什么 没有什么可以让我们分开 there was nothing, nothing that could keep us apart.
我想我是第一个真正意义的女朋友 I feel like I was the first serious girlfriend.
最初我无法区分他们 Initially I couldn't really tell them apart
我会偶遇他们 and I would bump into them
我不太确定 and I wasn't quite sure
我在跟哪一个约会 所以... which one I was going out with, so...
鲍比有一种纯真的自然的智慧 Bob has this very raw, natural, type of intelligence
我觉得我也被吸引了 that I think I was attracted too.
我一直认为大卫是最好的 没错 I always thought David was the best, right,
就他们三个而言 of the three of them.
我之前说过 你知道的 I, I've said it before, you know,
“我捡到宝了” "I got the pick of the litter."
毫无疑问 艾迪是 呃...最帅的 Without a doubt, Eddy was the, er... handsomest
你知道 三胞胎中 of all the three triplets, you know.
当然 我很偏爱 Of course, I'm partial
但是 你知道 我崇拜他 but, you know, I adored him.
当我遇见他时 我无法抵挡 When I met him, he was the last holdout.
三个人里的唐伯虎 呃...我说 The Casanova of the three and, er... I said,
“哦 男孩 这家伙是一个真正的单身汉 花花公子” "Oh boy, this guy's a real bachelor, like player."
但他的笑容如此温暖 But he was so warm in his smile
他有可爱的双手 柔软的双手 and he had wonderful beautiful hands, soft hands
当我握着他的手时 我是说 我 我... and when I shook his hand I mean, I just, I...
你知道 我爱上了他 You know, I just fell in love with him.
我来自一个色彩缤纷的爱尔兰天主教家庭 I'm from a big colorful Irish catholic family
而他是一个犹太人 and he was a Jewish guy.
当他第一次来我家时 When he came to the house for the first time,
他看着我父亲 他说 he looked at my dad and he said,
“我不知道你是否知道 香莱先生” "I don't know if you know this, Mr Shanley,
“我每晚都要见到布伦达” "I've been seeing Brenda every night pretty much
“从我见到她的第一天起” "since the first day I met her."
我想 “哦 我的天” And I thought, "Oh my God,
“我爸其实知道 我们每晚都在一起” "my dad knows that, you know, we're together every night."
我的父亲只是看着我 “好吧” And my dad just sort of, you know, looked at me like, "OK"
那就是艾迪 and that was Eddy.
我愿意 我愿意 'I do.' 'I do.'
我们爱你 'We love you.'
大家都爱他 Everyone loved him.
如果要划分的话 鲍比比较保守 If there was a scale, Bobby would be reserved,
大卫中等 David would be middle
而艾迪就是可爱的 情绪化的 and Eddy was just the loveable, mushy,
惹人爱 有趣的 huggable, funny,
你知道 他就是散发出温暖和爱 you know, he just exuded warmth and love.
杰米与爸爸的第一个感恩节 'Jamie's first Thanksgiving with Daddy.'
嗨 看看谁在这里 是的 爸爸 'Hi, look who's here.' 'Yes, Daddy.'
爸爸决定登场 'Daddy decided to show up
并带特邀嘉宾出场 'and make a special guest appearance.'
生日快乐 亲爱的杰米 'Happy birthday, dear Jamie
祝你生日快乐 'Happy birthday to you'
他喜欢家庭聚会 He loved family gatherings.
你知道 艾迪真的非常喜欢 You know, Eddy really, really loved
跟大卫和鲍比在一起 being around David and Bobby.
艾迪似乎非常享受他们三个人在一起 Eddy seemed to get the most out of the three of them meeting.
说不出什么原因 For whatever reason.
他希望他和他的兄弟们过上美好的生活 He wanted his brothers and him to have a beautiful life
每个人美好相处 and everyone to get along
他希望所有人成为一个大家庭 and he wanted everyone to be one big family.
艾迪绝对是推动力 Eddy was absolutely the driving force
领导我们寻找生母 in terms of leading the search for our birth mother.
他很有热情 他就想那么做 He got a fever and he just wanted to do it.
艾伦也忙前忙后 And Alan was also rallying,
因为这真是一件令人兴奋的事情 because it was just an exciting thing to do.
我们想到这种概率 We figured what are the chances
让三胞胎生在纽约 of having triplets born in New York
在1961年7月12日 on July 12th 1961.
我们想到纽约的公共图书馆 We figured out that New York public library
会有出生记录 shared birth records.
我们每个人抓起一本书 We each grabbed a book
然后一页一页一页地... and went page by page by page by page by page,
几个小时以后 就听到“找到了!” and within a couple of hours, it was, "Bingo!"
男孩 男孩 男孩 三个一列 Male, male, male. Three in a row.
全部出生于1961年7月12日 All born July 12th 1961.
就在旁边 有生母的姓氏 Right next to it, birth mother's last name.
第一次见面是在47号街的酒吧 The first meeting was a bar on like, 47th Street.
就像一个她当地的酒吧 It was like, her local neighborhood watering hole
在东边 当时有点尴尬 on the East side, and it was awkward.
她讲述了曾经发生的事情 She told the story of what happened.
不幸的是 那不是一个浪漫的故事 Unfortunately it wasn't a romantic story.
她还是个小女孩的时候 She was a young girl.
就是那种舞会开场发生的事 Basically, prom night knock up type thing.
我并不认为她曾接受这个事实 I don't think she ever got over the fact
她怀了三胞胎 不得不放弃 that she had triplets and had to give them up.
你知道 像19岁的我们 You know, to us at 19,
如鱼得水般喝酒 以为自己是无敌的 you drink like a fish, you think you're invincible.
但我们发现那有点令人担忧 But we found it a little concerning
你知道 她密切与我们保持联系 that she was pretty much keeping up with us, you know.
呃...虽然血浓于水 Er... the apple doesn't fall that far from the tree
但对于她 我并不感到多么高兴 and if that's the tree, I was less than thrilled,
我们已经有了各自的父母 所以我们见了见她 一切还好 and we had our parents already, so we met her and it was OK.
但她并不是我们生活中特别亲密的一部分 But she was not a particularly close part of our lives.
我们都很年轻 开始我们的婚姻和事业 We were all young and starting our marriages and careers.
嗨 欢迎来到三胞胎 'Hi, welcome to Triplets.'
大卫·凯尔曼 艾迪·嘉兰和罗伯特·沙弗兰 'David Kellman, Eddy Galland and Robert Shafran
是同卵三胞胎 'are identical triplets.
现在他们经营着一家纽约的餐馆叫... 'Now they run a New York restaurant called,
还能是什么 你能猜到 三胞胎 'what else, you guessed, Triplets.'
欢迎来到三胞胎 请等待座位
欢迎 你好 欢迎欢迎 'Welcome. Hello. Welcome, welcome.'
有很多人为我们而来 We had a lot of people who were coming for us.
他们来看三胞胎 They came to see the triplets.
他们想被三胞胎招待 They wanted to be waited on by one of the triplets.
我们提供伏特加和冰块 We served vodka frozen blocks of ice,
我们让整个房间欢快起舞 and we'd get the whole room up and dancing.
就像一个大派对 It was like this big party going on,
就像个大的犹太成人礼 it was like this big Bar Mitzvah.
三胞胎变得非常成功 'Triplets become wildly successful
他们拥有一家餐馆 'owning a restaurant
在纽约的家居办公区 'in the Soho district of New York City.'
我们第一年挣了一百多万美元 We did over a million dollars first year.
那时起事情开始变糟 That's when things kinda got funky.
哥伦比亚大学 郑重宣布
90年代中期 我着手为《纽约客》撰写一个故事 In the mid-90s I started working on a story for "The New Yorker" magazine
关于同卵双胞胎的分开抚养 about identical twins reared apart.
我总是想 I've always thought,
如果有一天你一转身 "What would it be like if you turned
劳伦斯·赖特 记者 作家
你看到了自己会怎样? "the corner one day and you saw yourself?"
在我的研究过程中 In the process of my research,
我偶然发现了这篇不起眼的科学文章 I came across this obscure scientific article.
一旦安置完成，出于道德考量，机构既不能告知养父母也不能告知孩子关于双胞胎存在的事， 以免损害孩子成长所必须的，且被期望自由发展的亲子关系。 很快，一个极不寻常的可以研究同卵双胞胎分开养育的机会出现了。
它引用了一项秘密研究 It referenced this secret study
其中同卵的兄弟姐妹被分开了 in which identical siblings had been separated.
我感到震惊和好奇 I was shocked and intrigued.
他们将刚出生的同卵婴儿分离 They were separating identical babies at birth
为了这项科学实验 for the purpose of this scientific experiment.
而这些婴儿都来自 And these babies had all come
纽约市的一家领养机构 from one adoption agency in New York City.
“我说的第一句话是‘你是被领养的吗?’” 'The first thing out of my mouth 'was, "Were you adopted?"'
“我来了 这不可能是真的” 'There I am, this can't be real.'
“双胞胎在出生时被分开了” 'Twins separated at birth.'
艾迪? 你是我的双胞胎兄弟
“艾迪 罗伯特和大卫在19年后重聚” 'Eddy and Robert and David reunited after 19 years.'
“这很美” 'It's beautiful.'
“蓝领家庭 中产阶级家庭和一个比较富裕的家庭” 'Blue-collar family, middle-class family and a more affluent family.'
“在合理条件下养父母应该被告知尽可能多的孩子的背景” 'Adoptive parents should be told as much as is reasonable.'
“有些事不对劲” 'Something was just not right.'
“他们打开一瓶香槟” 'They were breaking open a bottle of champagne
“如同劫后余生” 'as if they had dodged a bullet.'
“我们所有人都是在路易斯·怀斯领养的” 'All of us were adopted from Louise Wise.'
“路易丝·怀斯” 'Louise Wise.'
“这些婴儿都来自路易丝·怀斯服务” 'And these babies had all come from Louise Wise Services.'
劳伦斯·赖特打电话给我 Lawrence Wright called me
他告诉我关于这个实验的一切 and he told me all about the experiment.
我说 “这就像万恶的纳粹” And I said, "This is like Nazi shit."
直到1980年重聚 他们不知道他们是兄弟 而研究他们的人知道
现实像一个浪头打来 It was kind of like reality hitting like a tidal wave.
以研究之名 孪生兄弟出生即被分开用于研究 真相却被隐藏
我们是一个科学实验 We were a science experiment.
这些人把我们分开 像研究实验室老鼠一样研究我们 These people split us up and studied us like lab rats.
我们没有发觉这件事 直到摆在我们面前 We didn't recognize this stuff until it was put in our face,
直到出现在报纸上 until it was in newsprint.
但过去也有迹象 But there were clues in the past.
我记得很小的时候... I remember from a very young age...
...有些人会来我家... ...people would come to the house...
...通常是一个年轻男人一个年轻女人 ...usually a young man and a young woman.
他们让我参加测试 And they had me taking tests.
他们做了智商测试 个性测试 They did IQ tests, personality inventory tests,
眼手协调测试 they did eye hand co-ordination tests.
我确实记得有人来到家里完成测试 I do remember people coming to the house, having tests done,
方枘圆凿测试 还有罗夏墨迹测试 square pegs and round holes, and Rorschach ink block tests.
“你觉得这是什么?”就像这种东西 "What does this mean to you?" that kind of stuff.
艾迪告诉我 他小时候 Eddy told me that when he was younger,
他记得有人一边观察他一边做笔记 he remembers people watching him and taking notes,
他们问他问题 and they would ask him questions
他会对这些问题感到沮丧 and he would get frustrated with the questions,
他记得他们给他录像 and he remembers they were videotaping him.
我对拍摄记得非常清楚 I remember the filming more than anything else.
我记得有个手持摄影机拍我 I remember having super 8mm films taken of me
拍我荡秋千或者滑滑梯 when I was on the swing set, or on the slide.
他们每次来都会拍摄 Every single time they came they filmed.
骑自行车 扔球 Riding my bike, throwing a ball,
他们想看我能做多少次 and they wanted to see how many times I could,
你知道 还有弹跳杆 轮滑 you know, go on my pogo stick, roller-skating,
扔飞盘 射箭 throwing a Frisbee, shooting a bow and arrow,
你知道 他们吸引我的注意 you know, they had my attention.
我在表演 I was performing.
随着年龄的增长 他们来做的事越来越复杂 The stuff they did would be more complex as I got older.
我觉得很奇怪 我真的不明白 I felt weird about it, I didn't really understand
为什么他们要经常来 why they needed to come so often,
为什么他们问我所有这些问题 why were they asking me all these questions.
大约在我9岁或10岁左右 Somewhere around age of nine or ten
我开始变得不那么自在了 I started becoming less comfortable with it,
我说 “妈妈 我还要这样做吗?” and it was kinda like, "Mom, do I still have to do this?
“我还要这样做吗?” "Do I still have to do this?"
当我们的父母领养我们时 When our parents adopted us
每个人都被告知我们会被跟踪 they were each told that we were being followed
作为正常研究的一部分 as part of a normal study
关于领养儿童的成长发展 of the development of adopted children.
他们不知道我们已经被分开了 They had no idea that we'd been separated.
该机构称出生在这段时间的孩子 The agency said the children born in this period of time
都会接受关于领养儿童的正常研究 were all gonna be in a normal study of adopted children.
而且 据我们所知 确实是的 And, as far as we knew, that was it.
他们说要进行新的研究 That this was a new thing they were going to follow up
所有的孩子都一样 所以当时我们接受了它 with all the children and at the time we accepted it.
就是那么一群人 You're talking about a group of people
前往孩子家里抱着孩子 that went and held a baby
并对一个六个月大的婴儿进行心理测试 and did psychological testing on a six-month-old baby,
然后去另一个家庭看他的兄弟 and then went to another house to see his brother,
然后再去另一个家庭看他的兄弟 and then went to another house to see his brother,
并且进行了一年 一年 又一年 and did this over years and years and years and years
他们充分知晓 with full knowledge
我们就在半径100英里范围内 that we were within a 100-mile radius,
但彼此不认识 and not knowing each other.
这是不合情理的 It's just unconscionable.
那是多么邪恶的人 Who would think that anybody would be evil enough
才会想出这样的事? to come up with something like this?
在我的研究过程中 In the process of my research,
我了解到那个真正负责这项研究的人 I learned is that the person really in charge of the study
是彼得·纽鲍尔博士 was Dr Peter Neubauer,
纽约非常杰出的精神病医生 very distinguished psychiatrist in New York,
弗洛伊德档案馆主任 director of the Freud archives.
他是奥地利大屠杀的难民 He was an Austrian refugee from the Holocaust
他在纽约开了店 而且成为 你知道 and he set up shop in New York and became, you know,
美国精神病学的伟人之一 one of the great men of psychiatry in America.
我了解到路易丝·怀斯机构的人 What I learned is that people at the Louise Wise agency
在分离同卵兄弟姐妹 were separating identical siblings
然后由纽鲍尔领导的一个科学小组 and then a team of scientists led by Neubauer
会跟踪他们 would follow them.
但这不仅仅是三胞胎 But it wasn't just the triplets.
还有其他孩子 There were others.
我的文章刊登后 After my article came out
另一对双胞胎发现了她们自己 another twin set discovered themselves.
今天她们来了 'And here they are now.
非常感谢你们能来参加这个节目 'I appreciate you coming on the show today.'
我们很荣幸' 宝拉和爱丽丝' 'Our pleasure.' 'Paula and Elyse.'
这个故事令人难以置信 这样形容不为过吧? 'The story is incredible. Is that the way to tell it?'
这很荒谬 如果没有发生在我们身上 'It's funny. I mean, we say if it hadn't happened to us
我们是不会相信的 这就像一部迪士尼电影 'we wouldn't believe it.' 'This is a Disney movie.'
这比迪斯尼电影还要黑暗 'It's a little darker than a Disney movie.
最熟悉的陌生人
当时我正在布鲁克林的公寓里 'I was at home in my apartment in Brooklyn
和我两岁的女儿在一起 'with my two-year-old daughter,
然后电话响了 我接起电话 'and the phone rings and I answer the phone
是领养机构打来的 'and it was the adoption agency.
宝拉·伯恩斯坦 《最熟悉的陌生人》联合作者
“我们收到一些消息 你有一个孪生姐妹” "'We've got some news for you, you've got a twin sister.
“她正在找你” "And she's looking for you."'
你们都是高中试卷的编辑 'You were both editors of your high school paper,
你们两个都去了电影学院 'you both went to film school.'
这很有趣 因为我不知道你是否注意到... 'Well, it's funny because I don't know if you noticed...'
我们的举止是继承的 'Our mannerisms are inherited.'
我联系了领养机构 'I contacted the adoption agency
我问他们 “为什么把我们分开?” 'and I asked them, "Well, why we were separated?"'
艾丽斯·沙因 《最熟悉的陌生人》联合作者
这是个价值百万的问题 'That's the million-dollar question of this story.'
他们说 “用于一项双胞胎研究” 'And they said, "For a twin study."
我们觉得我们的生活是被精心策划的 'We felt that our lives had been orchestrated
由这些科研人员 'by these scientific researchers
他们把他们的科学需求 'who put their scientific needs,
研究需要或欲望 他们的职业兴趣 'research needs or desires, their career interests
置于我们的需求和利益之前 'before the needs of us, and the interests of us
同样还有其他被分离的双胞胎和三胞胎 'and other twins and triplets who were separated.'
没有人能确定有多少同卵双胞胎 Nobody is sure of how many identical twins
参与了这项研究 were involved in this study.
有人告诉我6对到8对 但我们真的不知道 I was told six to eight, but we don't really know.
当你做这样的研究时 When you have a study like this,
通常你会得到结论 normally you produce the results
你要表明样本大小 and you show how large the sample is
以及所有这些事情 and all this sort of thing.
但这项研究从未发表过 But this study was never published.
这使得它更加离奇 Which makes it all the more intriguing.
我们确实有一位律师 We did have an attorney
试着给我们找一些研究记录 try to get us some of the study records.
我们收到了少量信息 We received a small amount of information.
都是非常枯燥的技术数据 It was very dry, technical data,
并不能真正解释 that didn't really shed any light
这项研究的原因 都是垃圾 on the reasons for the study. It was garbage.
我不知道结果是什么 I don't know what the results were,
或者是否有结果 因为我从未见过 or if there ever were results because I never saw them.
他们试图隐瞒他们所做的事情 They're trying to conceal what they did
对他们的研究对象 from the people they did it to.
为什么? Why?
我是说 它的目的是什么? I mean, what was the purpose of it?
这项研究从未发表过 为什么? The study was never published. Why?
我叫娜塔莎·乔斯弗维茨... My name is Natasha Josefowitz...
...我是彼得·纽鲍尔的研究助理 ...and I was Peter Neubauer's research assistant.
好了 请进 来杯咖啡吗? So, come on in. Would you like a cup of coffee?
这是我的一些朋友 Here are some of my buddies.
米歇尔·奥巴马和我 她很高 Michelle Obama and I. She is very tall.
我就像她旁边的小虾 I'm like a little shrimp next to her,
我到她这里 I come up to her right here.
这是三年前的奥巴马 This is Obama three years ago,
他在这里拿着我最新的书 and here he is holding my latest book.
我必须告诉你 我说 “贝拉克 我爱你” I have to tell you. I said, "Barack, I love you."
他说 “我也爱你” 他在这个脸颊上吻了我一下 He said, "I love you too", and he gave me a kiss on this cheek.
这是罗伯特·雷德福(导演、演员) 阿尔·戈尔(前副总统) Yeah. This is Robert Redford and Al Gore,
这是我18岁的时候和埃罗尔·弗林(澳大利亚演员、编剧、导演、歌手) and this is Errol Flynn and me when I was 18.
我认为他很风趣 I thought he was a hoot.
毕加索的 Picasso's.
我们什么时候开始讨论双胞胎研究? When are we gonna talk about the twin study?
你需要知道我不是团队的一员 You need to know I am not part of the team,
我是外围人 我只是道听途说 I am a peripheral person. I just do the hearsay.
我第一次听说双胞胎研究 The first time I heard about the twin study,
在彼得的头脑里 那还只是个梦想 it was still just a dream in Peter's head.
他是个怎样的人? What was he like?
嗯...性感 漂亮 有趣 Hmm... sexy, nice looking, interesting.
他的背景非常弗洛伊德 His background was very Freudian.
弗洛伊德的女儿安娜·弗洛伊德 Anna Freud, Freud's daughter,
经常会来拜访他 would often come and visit with him.
他非常渴望在儿童生活领域有一番作为 He was very focused on wanting to make a difference in children's lives.
彼得开始思考 那会不会很有趣 Peter started thinking, wouldn't it be interesting
去研究愿意放弃自己的孩子母亲 to have a study of mothers who wanted to give up their children,
而且孩子恰好是同卵双胞胎 who happen to be identical twins
然后可以在出生后被分开? and then could be separated at birth?
如果我们可以把他们放在两个完全不同的环境中 If we could put them in two totally different environments,
我们可能一劳永逸地解答 we would put to rest the dilemma,
“先天还是后天”的悖论 nature or nurture, forever.
现在你可能会想 “哦 这太可怕了” Now you may think, "Oh, this is terrible, you know,
“你们怎么能这样做?” "how could you do this?"
你必须让自己回到50年代末和60年代 You have to put yourself back in the late 50s and 60s.
这似乎不是什么很糟糕的事情 This was not something that seemed to be bad.
没有人说 “把孩子分开 多么可怕” Nobody said, "To take children apart, how terrible."
任何人不会有这样的想法 That was not at all in anyone's thoughts.
那是一个令人非常兴奋的时期 This was a very exciting time.
心理学刚刚开始成为主流 Psychology was just beginning to be the big deal
每个人都在谈论 that everybody was talking about.
这完全是为了研究 是一个机会 This was all in terms of research. An opportunity.
科学界一直探讨的一个重大问题是 One of the great questions that science has ever asked
“我们是如何成为我们的” is "How do we become the people we are,
“有多少先天因素 有多少后天因素” "how much of nature versus how much of nurture
“才把我们塑造成我们?” "shapes us into the people that we become?"
我没有参加研究 I did not go and do the research.
但我会听到它 因为我在办公室 But I would hear about it because I was in the office.
他们发现了什么 令人难以置信 What they found out, was incredible.
我们的生活惊人的相似 'Our lives are parallel to a phenomenal degree.
太戏剧性了 'It's, it's ridiculous.'
我们都一样 'We're all the same,
只要讨论到我们的个性 'as soon as we started discussing our personalities.'
个性是一样的 我们的姿势是一样的 'Personalities are the same, our gestures are the same.'
我们总是同时谈话 'We always talk at the same time.'
你们是在不同家庭长大的吗? 'You were raised in different homes?'
是的 'True.'
我不相信它会具有那样的遗传性 I did not believe that it'd be as much hereditary as it was,
那超过了我们的想象 that was more than any of us thought.
我说开头 他能说结尾 'I'll start a sentence and he'll finish it.'
我们都喜欢中国菜 'We all like Chinese food.'
你们都曾是摔跤运动员吗? 'You were all wrestlers at one time?'
是的 'Yes.'
你们都抽烟了吗? 是的 'You all smoke cigarettes?' 'Yes.'
你们都抽这一个牌子吗? 'Do you all smoke the same brand?'
是的 'Yes.'
你们喜欢一样的颜色吗? 是的 'Do you like the same colors?' 'Yes.'
他们对女人的品味如何 那一样吗? 'How's their taste in women, is it similar?'
是的 当然 'Yes. Definitely.'
我们感动于 We are moved to behaviors
毫无意识的行为 that we are totally unconscious about.
你们都是高中试卷的编辑 'You were both editors of your high school paper,
你们两个都去了电影学院 'you both went to film school.'
我不知道你是否注意到... 'I don't know if you noticed...'
我们的举止是继承的 'Our mannerisms are inherited.'
这令人不安 我们不喜欢这样 It's disturbing, we don't like that.
人们不喜欢听这些 他们说“我有自由意志” People don't like to hear, they say, "I have free will."
我们希望我们对生活产生一些影响 We would prefer that we have some influence over our lives.
你不想知道吗? Wouldn't you rather know that?
你有一些控制力 That you have some control over this
因此去寻找 不要介意 无论你做什么 and so finding out, never mind, doesn't matter what you do.
所以 我认为令人沮丧 So, I think it's upsetting to people
他们多么没产生什么影响 to see how little influence they have,
微乎其微的控制力 how little control they have.
我们不喜欢那样 我们会抗争 We don't like that, we fight that.
如果研究结论令人震惊 If the conclusions of the study were so shocking
惊天动地 and so earth-shaking,
你为什么不发表你的研究? why haven't you published your study?
还有很多我们不知道的事情 There is a lot that we don't know.
我们的轶事非常有挑战 We have anecdotes that are very provocative,
但我们不知道 我们没有那些数据 but we don't know, we don't have the data.
我不知道这项研究发生了什么 I don't know what happened to the study.
我于1965年搬到瑞士 I moved to Switzerland in 1965
并且与当时发生的事失去联系 and lost touch with what was going on.
这项研究应该公开 All that research should be seen.
这项研究是第一次 也是最后一次 This study was the first, and it's also the last,
永远不会再做 它永远不会被复制 it will never be done again, it will never be replicated.
它是不朽的 它是一项不朽的研究 It's monumental, it's a monumental study.
以他们的动机 In terms of the motivation that they used
来评判他们的所作所为 to justify what they did,
我根本不在乎 因为 我... I don't even care because, I...
他们的所作所为不合理 It's not justifiable what they did.
你知道吗? You know what?
逃过了大屠杀 Coming from the Holocaust,
我们的家族深知 our family has a knowledge
玩弄人类... that when you play with humans...
...是非常错误的 ...you do something very wrong.
而且我深信因为这项研究 And I really believe that because of this research,
这三个男孩没有幸福的结局 these three boys did not have happy endings.
你们在成长的过程中 'What were some of the similarities
在各自的家庭里 'you found that you had as you were all growing up
有没有发现什么相似之处? 'in your own respective households?'
我们见面时 抽同样的香烟 'We all smoked the same cigarettes when we met,
我们都在初中和高中练摔跤 'we all wrestled in high school and junior high,
我们喜欢同样的食物 呃... 'we all loved the same food, er...
大卫·凯尔曼 三胞胎
我们对女性的品味相似 'our taste in women was similar.'
有没有什么更奇怪的事 'What are some of the stranger things
你们发现你们都有的? 'you found out you had in common?
还有什么更令人惊讶的发现吗? 'Any other more surprising discoveries?'
好吧 有时你想 'Well, sometimes when you think
你有一个独特的思考或想法 'you're having a unique thought or idea
然后你去和别人分享 'and you go to share it with someone
他们说 “你兄弟刚告诉我了” 'and they say, "Your brother just told me."
爱德华·嘉兰 三胞胎
这有点烦人 这很有趣' 'It's a little annoying.' 'It's funny.'
这有点烦人 令人不安 'It's a little annoying, it's unnerving.'
与我的兄弟们做生意 Being in business with my brothers
破坏了我们的关系 damaged our relationship.
会与职业道德存在矛盾 There were conflicting work ethics,
后来我的父亲去世了 and my father had passed away.
他真的把我们凝聚在一起 He really anchored us together as a group
而且可以和平共处 and kept the peace so to speak.
他们开始争吵 就像孩子之间争吵 They started to argue like kids would argue, you know.
他们曾失掉那样的机会 And they didn't have that opportunity,
那种天赐的18年的兄弟情谊 that gift of being able to be brothers for 18 years.
当你生活在一个有很多孩子的家庭 When you are living in a family of children
你会学习如何相互适应 you learn how to adjust to each other.
如果我不喜欢你这样做 我会生气 If I don't like the way you do this, I can get angry,
或者我可以学会妥协 or I can learn to compromise.
但他们是成年后见面的 But they met as adults.
并且从未学过如何与对方生活在一起 And had never learned how to live with each other.
随着事情发展 事情变得更加复杂 As things went on, things got more complicated,
越来越复杂 and as things got more complicated,
最后的结果是我离开了 what ended up happening was I left.
当鲍比离开公司时 When Bobby left the business
艾迪和我觉得我们受到了背叛 Eddy and I felt that we were being betrayed.
鲍比觉得他被排挤了出去 Bobby felt that he was being pushed out.
无论哪样 都对我们的关系造成了很大很大的伤害 Either way, it did major, major damage to the relationship.
我认为那对艾迪造成了极大的影响 I think that took an extreme toll on Eddy
我认为比对大卫和鲍比要严重 more so than I think David and Bobby.
艾迪永远是那种 Eddy was always the one
就想让每个人都和睦相处 who just wanted to have everybody be at peace together,
所以艾迪对此感到非常沮丧 and Eddy was, was very upset about it.
他有点被压垮了 它在吞噬着他 He was kind of crushed about it. It was eating at him.
他非常爱他们 He dearly loved them,
他希望他的兄弟们在一起 and he wanted his brothers to be together.
他只是不知道如何处理这一切 He was just not really sure how to deal with it all.
你会注意到更多的兴奋或失落 You're just seeing a lot more kind of up and down behaviors,
不正常的行为 erratic behaviors.
艾迪留起了胡子 'Eddy's growing a beard.'
毛脸 就是我 'Fur face, that's me.'
天啊 吵醒孩子了 'Jeez, wake the child.'
杰米 你爸爸很迷糊 'Jamie, your daddy is fuzzy.'
你会看到更多不自然的开心或沮丧 You're just seeing a lot more unnatural highs and lows.
他会在晚上很奇怪的时间给人们打电话... He would call people and... at bizarre hours of the evening,
然后他们会说 and then they would say,
“我有十年没见过或听到艾迪了” "I haven't seen or heard from Eddy in ten years.
“他为什么拿起电话打给我” "Why is he picking up the telephone and calling me
“在凌晨两点?” "at two o'clock in the morning?"
你知道 那些 那些是迹象 You know, those are, those are signs.
这只是...这不仅是说 This was just... this was more
一个需要心理咨询的人 than just somebody who needed counselling.
就像是非常非常严重的事情 This was, like, really something very, very serious.
他可以变得令人难以置信的迷人 He could be unbelievably charming.
你好! 'Hello!'
但突然爆发极大的愤怒 But the downswing was a lot of anger.
呃...暴露内心深处黑暗的一面 Er... there was just deep, deep darkness.
躁狂抑郁症 Manic depression
我想是他们的最终诊断 I think was what they eventually said.
后知后觉确实如此 It made sense in hindsight.
我结婚时并未想过 I didn't walk down the aisle thinking, you know,
我会嫁给一个患有躁狂抑郁症的男人 "I have a man who is suffering from manic depression."
人们会说 “你怎会不知道?” 但... People will say, "How could you not know?", but...
...他是如此独特 如此精彩和特别 ...he was so unique and so wonderful and special,
你只是...就是艾迪 你知道 you just... that was Eddy, you know.
我被告知他需要在...一个设施里 I was advised that he needed to be in a... a facility.
我是说 我感到很难过 是我让他遭受这种创伤 I mean, I felt bad that I put him through this trauma
待在心理病房里 of going into a psych ward
因为我曾住过心理病房 我知道那有多难受 because I had been in a psych ward and I know how hard it is.
在我小的时候 我在心理病房度过了我16岁的生日 When I was a kid, I spent my 16th birthday in a psych ward.
我们都是受到精神刺激的孩子 We all were really disturbed kids.
当我们还是少年时 我们都接受了精神治疗 We were all under psychiatric care when we were teenagers.
我们都度过了艰难的 We all had very challenging
失常的青春期 and dysfunctional teenage years.
我们可以询问个人问题吗? Could we ask about personal.
你们其中一人曾卷入谋杀 One of you were involved in a murder,
是真的吗? is that right?
啊 这取决于你们 Ah, it's up to you guys.
不 不 No. No.
《人物杂志》... People Magazine...
一人曾被指控参与谋杀案 One was accused of being involved in a murder.
就是我 And it was me,
罗伯特·沙弗兰 重聚的三胞胎
而我从未见过这个被杀的人 who never met this person who was killed,
从来没有碰到过类似的事情 never was present or anything like that.
是同伴逼迫的 It was peer pressure.
朋友们迫使我为他们掩盖 Friends pressuring me into covering for them,
向警方编造他们的故事 telling a story for them to the police
把我卷了进去 and that pulled me right into it.
我生命中从未伤害过任何人 I've never hurt anyone in my life.
我们知道 我们可以感受到 We know it, we can feel it.
我们能感受到 We can feel it.
这项研究中的很多人都出现失常的童年 A lot of people in this study had dysfunctional childhoods
和一些心理问题 and some mental problems
这令人质疑 你知道 and it raises questions, you know.
如果你是一个倾尽毕生心血 If you are a person who has devoted your life,
像纽鲍尔博士那样 投身于研究精神疾病的人 like Dr Neubauer has to the study of mental illness,
那会是你研究的一个因素吗? then is that a factor that you are researching?
这故事令人难以置信 就像一部迪士尼电影 'The story is incredible. This is a Disney movie.'
它比迪斯尼电影还要黑暗 'It's a little darker than a Disney movie.'
当我们第一次见面时 我们意识到我们有这些相似之处 When we first met we realized we had all these similarities,
我们有相似的习惯 we had similar mannerisms,
我们都学过电影 we both had studied film.
后来我们同样发现 And then we also found out
我们都患有抑郁症 we both had suffered from depression.
这就是那封信 So, this is the letter
从路易丝·怀斯服务收到的 that I received from Louise Wise Services.
“你出生于1968年10月9日下午12点15分” "You were born at 12.51 pm on October 9 1968
“生母是一名29岁的犹太单身女性” "to a 29-year-old Jewish single woman.
“她非常聪明 有着高智商” "She was very intelligent with a high IQ.
“她带着优异的奖学金进入大学” "She entered college on a merit scholarship
“但情绪问题影响了她的出勤” "but emotional problems interrupted her attendance.
“她有自愿住院治疗史” "She had a history of voluntary hospitalizations
“为了治疗情绪问题” "for emotional problems.
“虽然我找不到原始医疗报告” "Although I have not been able to locate the original medical reports,
“间接信息表明你母亲患有精神分裂症” secondary sources noted that your mother's diagnosis was schizophrenia."
读到我的生母曾多次入院 It was really disturbing to read that my birth mother
令我感到不安 had been in and out of institutions.
我开始发现更多 I started finding out more
受到研究的其他双胞胎和三胞胎 about the other twins and triplets in the study,
事实证明 不仅他们很多人 and it turns out that not only had many of them
遭受精神健康问题 struggled with mental health problems,
他们的亲生父母同样有精神健康问题 but that their birth parents had mental health issues.
而领养他们的家庭从未被告知过 And their adoptive families had never been told.
有没有可能 How possible is it
你的母亲就有心理健康问题呢? that your mother had mental health issues?
呃...我不认为那很严重 Er... I don't think they were severe.
我认为她是 呃... I, I think that she was, er...
她可能有一些轻微的 轻微的问题 呃... She may have had some minor, minor issues, er...
她可能有一些 比轻微多一点的问题 She may have had some, a little bit more than minor issues.
是不是科学家有目的地选择 Were the scientists purposefully choosing children
亲生父母患有精神疾病的孩子 whose biological parents had a mental illness,
并把他们安置在不同的家庭中 and placing them into different homes
来观察精神病是否具有遗传性 to see, is mental illness hereditable.
艾迪在医院住了 Eddy was in the hospital
我想是三个星期 for I think it was three weeks.
然后他回到餐厅工作 And then he came back to work at the restaurant.
我不在那里 大卫一直和他在一起 I wasn't there. David was with him, all the time.
我想也许他可以给你们更多细节 I think maybe he can give you better detail about it.
我负责厨房 I was running the kitchen.
艾迪不进去 我负责厨房 Eddy wasn't in. I was running the kitchen,
他负责前台 he was running the front of the house.
这是我们的分工 That's the way it worked.
我不知道他在哪里 他住在街对面 And I didn't know where he was, and he lived across the street.
所以 大卫从餐馆给我打电话 So, David called me from the restaurant
他让我看看窗外 and he asked me to look out the window
看看艾迪的车是否停在路边 to see if Eddy's car was in the driveway,
因为如果车停在路边 because if it were in the driveway,
我们知道他在家 we knew that he was home.
所以 车子停在路边 So, the car was in the driveway,
我问大卫 呃... and I said to David, er...
“你想让我过去吗?” "Do you want me to go over there?"
大卫说“是的” And David said, "Yes."
几分钟后她回电话给我 And she called me back a few minutes later
她的声音哽噎着颤抖着 and her voice was trembling and shaking.
她说“你必须回家” She said, "You've gotta come home."
我问“为什么?” And I said, "Why?"
她说“拜托 你必须回家” And she said, "Please, you've just gotta come home."
呃... Er...
我 呃...我把车停在我们住处的街上 And I, er... I pulled up we lived across the street.
我停的 有点 就是...警车都在那里 I pulled up, kind of, just... cop cars were all there
而我 就是那样 停在...你知道 and I, just kind of, pulled up on... you know,
堵住了一半街道 开着车门 blocking half the street, left the door open
然后跑向家里 and started running into the house
警察抓着我 他们不让我进去 and the cops grabbed me and they wouldn't let me come in.
他们说“你不能 不会想看到的” They said, "You don't, you don't wanna see this.
“你不能看 你不会想看到的” "You can't see this, you don't wanna see this.
“你不会想看到的” "You, you don't wanna see this."
那时我知道他走了 And that's when I knew he was gone.
我告诉鲍比“我要跟你谈一谈” I told Bobby, "I need to talk to you."
就好像他 他似乎知道了 And it's as if he, he kind of knew.
他似乎知道了 在我说出口之前 He kind of knew, before the words came out of my mouth.
艾迪自杀了 Eddy committed suicide.
艾迪开枪打死了自己 Eddy shot himself.
他结束了自己的生命 He took his own life.
我记不清是谁告诉我们的 我只记得一片黑暗 I don't remember who told us. I just remember darkness.
父亲节那天我们埋葬了他 我念的悼词 Buried him on Father's Day, I gave the eulogy,
我不记得我都说了什么 and I don't remember everything I said,
但我非常明确我说 我的兄弟艾迪 but I do remember saying that my brother Eddy
他的笑容可以照亮整个房间 could light up a room with his smile.
为什么是艾迪 为什么是艾迪? 为什么不是我? Why Eddy, why Eddy? Why not me?
我问过自己一百多次了 I've asked myself that a hundred times.
我宁愿是我而不是艾迪 I'd rather it was me than Eddy.
我 我不知道为什么是艾迪 为什么不是我 I, I don't know why Eddy and why not me.
也许只是因为... Maybe just because...
我不知道 我只是不知道 I don't know, I just don't know.
我 我 我无法回答 I, I, I can't answer this.
谢谢你 鲍比 Thank you, Bobby.
哦 不客气 Oh, you're welcome.
我想知道实验的真相 I'd like to know the truth about the experiment.
我了解到 在这一小群双胞胎中 My understanding, within this small group of twins
被分开用于研究的 that were separated and studied,
不止一个人自杀了 there was more than one suicide.
这几乎不可能是巧合 It's almost impossible just to be a coincidence.
鉴于艾迪的精神疾病... Given Eddy's mental illness...
...谁知道他们基因里有什么 ...who knows what's in their DNA.
如果他们有任何结论 If they have anything conclusive
在任何方面可以预测未来的任何事情 that is in any way predicting anything in the future
我需要知道 我想知道它 that I need to know about, I wanna know about it.
还有很多我们不知道的事情 There is still so much that we don't know.
我想知道的多于我能回答的 I have more questions than I have answers.
作为记者的一个特点之一 One of the things about being a journalist
是你不知道你会发现什么 is that you don't know what you are gonna find out.
有时候你知道你没找到什么 Sometimes you know what you didn't find out
同这个故事一样令人沮丧 which is frustrating like with this story.
好吧 我没有深究它 Well, I didn't get to the bottom of it
因为我从来没有看过这项研究 because I never got to see the study.
因为没人看过 你知道 As no one has, you know.
这可能就是结果 That would be the bottom of it.
但这就是为什么它太诱人了 But that's why this is so tantalizing.
这是我保留的研究 Here's the research that I kept
从我写关于双胞胎的时候开始的 from when I was writing about twins.
我已经有一段时间没看这个盒子了 It's been a while since I've had a look at this box.
哦 这很有趣 Oh, this is interesting.
迷你卡带 Mini cassettes.
在他去世之前 我曾设法与纽鲍尔博士交谈 Before he passed away I managed to talk to Dr Neubauer.
他并不情愿 He was reluctant,
据我所知 他从未说过这件事 he had not ever spoken about it to my knowledge.
好吧 让我们看看他有什么要说的 All right, let's see what he has to say.
好了 我已经准备好了 'OK, I've got it on now.
这项研究是怎么产生的? 'How did this study come about?'
我告诉你 'I tell you,
我宁愿不谈论它 'l would rather not want to speak about it.'
真的吗? 为什么? 'Oh, really? Why?'
等到我们发表它 'Until we have published it.'
哦 嗯 你们打算什么时候发表它? 'Oh, uh-huh. When do you plan to publish it?'
好吧 也许 我们可能会发表 'Well, maybe, we would publish
在未来一年或者一年半内 'in about a year, a year and a half from now.'
他明显在闪烁其辞 He was certainly illusive,
他在保护什么 he was protecting something.
好吧 给我说一下研究的范围 'Well, tell me a little bit about the scope of the study
有多少人参与其中? 'and how many people were involved in it?'
这项研究只是基于一小部分 'The study was only based on a small number
出生时被分开的同卵双胞胎 'of identical twins separated at birth,
基于很多很多原因 'for many, many reasons.
我现在不想谈论它 'I don't want to talk about that now.
我们不得不停止它 因为代价太高了 'We had to stop it because it became too expensive.'
谁是你的主要支持? 'Who was your primary support?'
哦 一些私人家庭基金 'Oh, some private family foundations.
我们从华盛顿那里得到了一些钱 'We got some money from Washington.'
好的 'OK.'
私人慈善机构和华盛顿 这意味着什么? Private charities and Washington, what does that mean?
我不知道他们的资金来自哪里 And I don't know where their funding came from.
好的 再次感谢你的时间 'OK, thanks again for your time.'
再见 'Bye.'
我认为这个故事还有非常敏感的一面 I think that there's a great deal of sensitivity about this story.
有很多有权力的人 There's a lot of powerful people
想让这个故事保持沉默 who would like to have this story silenced.
这项研究发生了什么 What happened to the study
据你所知? as far as you're aware?
在纽鲍尔于2008年去世之前 Before Neubauer died in 2008,
他留下了所有的研究资料 he left all the research materials
在耶鲁大学的档案馆里 in an archive at Yale University.
几十年以来 纽鲍尔将其封存着 Neubauer placed it under seal, for decades and decades.
据我所知 没有人能看到它 So far as I know nobody's been able to access it.
呃...我们找到了什么? Er... what do we have here?
文章描述 材料包含领养研究记录
哇哦 Wow.
这是耶鲁大学的网站 这写着 This is the Yale University website, and this appears to be
儿童成长中心领养研究记录指南 the Guide to Adoption Study Records of the Child Development Center.
耶鲁大学图书馆 儿童成长中心领养 研究记录指南
66个盒子里装满了信息 66 boxes filled with information:
图表 录像 录音带以及研究发现 charts, films and tapes and research findings.
家庭访问 这个很重要 Home visits, that's a big one.
上面说研究是从1960年开始到1980年为止的 It says that the dates of the study were from 1960 to 1980.
我想我们的团聚似乎结束了这项研究 I guess our reunion, kind of closed the study.
访问信息 "Information about access.
记录被封存至2066年 "The records are restricted until 2066."
这是封存的! It's sealed!
所以 他们做了能做的一切 So, they did all that they did
将整个清单藏起来 to have this whole list tucked away
放在图书馆里某个布满灰尘的地方 没有人可以接触到 in a dusty library somewhere, where nobody can touch it.
研究人员如希望在此日期之前使用这些记录 "Researchers wishing to use these records before this date must secure
需获得“犹太家庭与儿童服务委员会”的书面授权 "written authorization from the Jewish Board of Family and Children's Services."
犹太委员会是上级组织 The Jewish Board was the parent organization
管理彼得·纽鲍尔经营的儿童成长中心 of the Child Development Center run by Peter Neubauer.
我知道的是 My understanding is that
他们是一个非常非常有权力的组织 they are a very, very powerful organization
政治根基非常深 with very deep political connections.
感谢您致电 'Thank you for calling
犹太家庭和儿童服务委员会 'the Jewish Board of Family and Children Services.'
你好 'Hello.'
嗨 我叫大卫·凯尔曼 呃... Yes, hi. My name is David Kellman, er...
显然 我是一项研究的对象之一 and apparently, I was a, one of the subjects of a study,
多年前由儿童成长中心发起的 run by the Child Development Center many years ago,
现被保存在耶鲁大学 and it's being kept at Yale University.
是吗? 而且他们的网站上说 'Yes?' And on their website it says
我需要得到委员会的许可 that I would need permission from the board
才能获得这些记录的访问权限 in order to gain access to those records,
不知为什么 接线员把我转到你这里 and somehow the receptionist got me to you.
嗯 好的 呃... 'Huh, OK. Er...
我不知道这些事或研究的时间 'I'm not aware of any of that stuff or when the study was,
不过我可以... 'but I can...'
有很多记者 There have been a number of journalists
而且据我所知 有很多参与这项研究的双胞胎 and as far as I know, some of the twins that were involved in this study
也在试图获取这些材料 who have tried to gain access to this material.
犹太家庭和儿童服务 委员会有限公司
亲爱的沙因女士：
...您请求访问...
...儿童成长中心文件...耶鲁大学...
...我们不准备授权访问这些文件
据我所知 他们无法看到 So far as I know they haven't been able to see
这项研究的结果 the results of this study.
有没有办法让我直接去找什么人 Is there a way that I can go directly to someone
可能为我提供对访问授权 that would be able to provide access to me,
因为我是研究的对象之一? as I was one of the subjects within the study?
如果有人有权看到所有这些材料 If anybody should have the right to see all this material,
就该是那些真正参与研究的人 it's the people that were actually the subject of the study.
他们应该知道研究到了什么 They should know what was learned.
我的意思是 我不知道 'I mean, I have no idea
现在谁能授权 'who would even be the one to ask right now.
我需要查一下 'I would need to look into that.'
好的 可以说你是第一道防线 OK, so you're the first line of defense, so to speak.
我猜 是的 'I guess, yeah.'
好的 我会给你发一封邮件 主题会写上 OK, I will send an email to you. I'll put at the subject line,
呃...“双胞胎研究” is going to be, er... "Twin Studies".
好的 'Gotcha.'
路易丝·怀斯服务已长期关闭 Louise Wise Services is long closed.
你好 我是纽鲍尔双胞胎研究...
彼得·纽鲍尔也去世了 Peter Neubauer passed away.
然而 我们仍然不能确切知道 And yet we still don't know exactly
他们要找什么 或者他们发现了什么 what they were looking for, or what they found out.
密歇根州 安娜堡
我是临床心理学家 I'm a Clinical Psychologist
我曾是彼得·纽鲍尔研究的研究助理 and I was a research assistant on Peter Neubauer's study.
纽约州立大学
我相信我是唯一 I believe I am the only person
参与了这项研究的人 who worked on this study
负责记录研究过程 who is willing to go on record about what was done.
那时我24岁 I was 24.
这基本上是我的第一份工作 This is essentially my first job.
儿童成长中心
你知道 你必须小心不能泄露 呃... You know, you had to be careful to not let on that, er...
“哎呀 你看起来就像你的孪生兄弟” "Gee, you look just like your, your twin brother."
那我当场就被解雇了 对吧? I would've been fired on the spot, right?
这有点诱人 是的 It was a little tempting, yeah,
有一点诱惑 there was, there was a little bit of temptation.
就像 “嘿 我知道你的双胞胎伙伴” It's like, "Hey, I, I know your twin.
“我一周前见过一个和你一模一样的人” "I saw somebody a week ago who was exactly like you."
有趣的是我是否感到愧疚 The question whether I feel guilty is interesting
因为我从未觉得有责任 because I never felt a responsibility.
设计完成之后我就参加了 I came on after this was designed.
但是 我是参与者 However, I was a participant,
所以你可以说我在道德上妥协了 so you could say I was ethically compromised by that.
回想起来 我认为在道德上这无疑是错误的 In retrospect I think it was undoubtedly ethically wrong.
我在这里有一些笔记 好的 I got some notes here. OK.
好的 OK.
这些是我的实际原始笔记 These are my actual original notes,
我做过的心理学副本 copies of psychologicals that I did.
有哪些特别的人在这些文件中? And who in, who in particular are in these files?
我这有三胞胎 Well, I have the triplets.
嗯...哦 我们来吧 Hmm... Oh, here we go.
我不会提到这个名字 但是 呃... I, I'm not gonna mention the name, but, er...
“他是一个吵闹的 精力充沛的男孩” "He's a loud, energetic boy.
“他需要建立自己的独立自主 "His need to establish his autonomy
“来炫耀他的智慧和力量” "takes to the form of showing off, both his intelligence and his strength,
“胜过包括他父母在内的其他人” "and putting down others including his parents."
是的 这个人渴望展示他的新自行车 Yeah, this one's eager to show off his new bicycle
还有他所有的运动装备 在我拍摄他的时候 and all of his sports equipment while I filmed him.
他非常强烈的表现 He was very intense in his play
而且相当...暴力 and got quite... rough.
这个孩子有些问题 This kid had some problems.
强烈的侵略性 Hyper aggressiveness.
好的 显然 OK, so apparently,
这些父母不了解 these parents are not cognizant
他的问题 他们也无法帮助他 of his problems, nor are they able to help him
了解他的弱点 understand his weaknesses
并针对他的行为采取更适当的控制 and establish more appropriate control over his actions.
所以 我不认为父母非常关注 So, I didn't think the parents were very tuned in
这个孩子所遭受的问题 to the struggles this youngster was having.
这项研究的结果是什么? What were the findings of the study?
我不知道 因为我在10个月后离开了研究 I have no idea because I left the study after 10 months
结果从未发表过 and the results were never published.
我有的只是我的一小部分 All I have is my little, tiny piece.
这是一个谜 这是一个巨大的损失 It's a mystery, it's a huge loss.
所有这些重要的科学数据 All this important scientific data
只是埋藏在那些档案中 is just buried in these archives.
有人猜测 So, some people have speculated
研究的目的 最终目的 that the purpose of the study, ultimate purpose,
是探究精神健康 was looking at mental health.
我...在我研究期间 我从来没有听说过 I... there was, there was never a mention of mental health
亲生父母的精神健康 of the biological parents when I was in the study.
我们对精神健康不感兴趣 We were not interested in mental health,
那不是我们感兴趣的 that's not what we were interested in.
我们一直在寻找育儿方面的差异 We were looking for differences in parenting.
我们想了解育儿实践 We wanted to understand parenting practices
以及它是如何影响成长的 and how it would affect development.
所以 你说他们对家庭环境变量更感兴趣? So, you're saying they were interested more in the family dynamics?
但他们不可能知道这一点 他们不知道 But they couldn't have known that. They didn't know
这些家庭会如何 how the families were going to interact
与新领养的孩子互动 with this newly-adopted child.
他们唯一可能获知 The only way they could possibly know
家庭环境变量的途径是 about the family dynamics
已经有一个孩子被安置在那个家庭 was if they already had a child placed in that family.
另一个令人惊讶的巧合是 'Another astonishing coincidence
故事中的每个兄弟 'in this story is that each of the brothers
家里都有一个领养的姐姐一起长大 'grew up in their families with an adopted sister,
所有的女孩现在都21岁了 'all the girls now 21 years old.'
三胞胎 他们都有一个姐姐 The triplets, they all had an older sibling.
他们被安置在 They were placed in families
家里有一个年长的领养的孩子 where there was an older adopted child
提前由路易丝·怀斯安置的 that had been placed with, by Louise Wise.
这是设计的一部分 That was part of the design.
真高兴见到你 It's good to see you.
我想向你们展示一个片段 I'd just like to show you guys a clip.
劳伦斯·帕尔曼 曾是该研究的研究员 It's Lawrence Perlman, who was a Researcher on the study.
这项研究的结果是什么? 'What were the findings of the study?
我不知道 结果从未发表过 'I have no idea because they were never published.
我们一直在寻找育儿方面的差异 'We were looking for differences in parenting.
我们想了解育儿实践 'We wanted to understand parenting practices
以及它是如何影响成长的 'and how it would affect development.
三胞胎被安置的家庭中 'The triplets were placed in families
都有一个年长的领养的孩子 'where there was an older adopted child
提前由路易丝·怀斯安置的 'that had been placed with, by Louise Wise.
这是设计的一部分 'That was part of the design.'
看后你们有什么感受? How do you feel watching that?
像实验室的老鼠一样 Like a lab rat.
它 它只是让它变得那么...它只是... It, it only just makes it that much... it just only...
它只是让它... It just makes it...
那么糟糕 ...双重伤害 That much worse. ...much more duplicitous.
呃... Er...
他们不只是在研究孩子 They're not just studying the kids,
但他们也在研究父母 but they're studying the parents.
所以 他们确实知道每对父母的养育方式 So, they did in fact know the parenting style of each parent.
所以 这不是 你知道... So, this was not, you know...
显然它不是随机的选择 Obviously it was far from a random selection.
他们确切地知道他们选择了谁 They knew exactly who they had chosen
安置在哪里 当他们打电话给嘉兰家 to place each one of us with when they called the Gallands,
凯尔曼家 还有沙弗兰家 and the Kellmans, and the Shafrans.
就他们如何养育子女而言 In terms of how they parented their children
这三个家庭 the three families
非常 非常不同 were quite, quite different.
呃... Er...
大卫的父亲非常优秀 David's father stood out.
世界上没有人像他的儿子一样 There was nobody in the world like his son.
他为他感到骄傲 无论他做什么都很精彩 He was so proud of him. Whatever he did was wonderful.
鲍比的父亲是个非常忙的医生 Bobby's father was very busy as a doctor
没有那么多时间和鲍比在一起 and didn't have the time to be with Bobby
像大卫的父亲那样 that David's father had,
但会尽可能地照顾着他 but was as devoted to him as possible.
最传统的是艾迪的父亲... The most traditional was Eddy's father...
...他是相当严格的 他是一家之主 ...who was rather strict. He was the boss.
他制定了规矩 艾迪要遵守 He made the rules and Eddy was supposed to follow.
艾迪与父亲的关系... Eddy's relationship with his father...
...它不可能是好的 ...it couldn't have been good.
这很重要 And that matters.
为什么你说这不可能是好的? And why do you say it couldn't have been good?
因为不然的话 我会认识他 Because otherwise, I would have known him,
我们会见到他 we would have seen him,
艾迪会谈论他 Eddy would have talked about him.
这是我们有的爱德华的最后一张照片 This was the last picture we ever had of Edward.
他非常爱交际 He was very gregarious.
他乐于年轻男孩们爱做的一切 He got into all the things young boys do.
他撞坏了一辆车 He wrecked a car
还有一些类似的东西 但是... and a few things like that, but...
我是说 偶尔我会教训他 I mean, occasionally I disciplined him.
艾迪和他的父亲是非常不同的人 Eddy and his dad were very different as people.
艾迪更有艺术气质 有点孩子气 你知道 他不喜欢运动 Eddy was more artsy, kinda kid, you know, he wasn't into sports.
埃利特过着一种非常军事化的 Elliott had a very strong militaristic
生活方式 非常传统 kind of approach to life, very traditional.
他是一名老师 他很在意准时 He was a teacher, he was all about punctuality.
我是一个严格的管理者 I was a strict disciplinarian,
我的孩子们不幸 and my children unfortunately
也让我成为一个严格的管理者 had me as a strict disciplinarian too.
艾迪说他总是有点感觉不到 Eddy said he always sort of didn't feel
他适合那个家庭 like he fit in with his family.
他总觉得 就像他不在正确的地方一样 He always felt like, like he wasn't in the right place.
你能感受到多少爱德华并不开心? How much did you have any sense that Edward was unhappy?
他没和我说过他的问题 He didn't discuss his problems with me.
我们是一个相当安静的家庭 We were a rather quiet family.
我们不会告诉彼此问题 We didn't tell our problems to one another.
我们互相保护 曾是一个很好的家庭 We protected each other. It was a nice family.
有些人就是不适合 Some people are just not a good fit.
这不是他父亲的错 It wasn't his father's fault.
埃利特做了他认为最好的父母 Elliot did what he believed to be best as a parent.
他们只是不同的人 They were just different people.
我接到电话...我相信是鲍比 I got the phone call from... I believe it was Bobby.
他让我坐下来 And he told me to sit down
而我说没必要 and I said no need to.
他告诉了我这件事 And he told me about it.
然后就站在那里 And then standing right there
我去找我的妻子 I went over to my wife
告诉她爱德华已经自杀了 and told her Edward had committed suicide.
我们站在那里好久 都哭了 And we stood there for quite a while, crying.
而且...就是这样 And... that was it.
我常常想我是不是没教给他一些东西... I often wondered whether I didn't teach him something...
...因为他离开的方式 ...because of the way he left.
我不知道 I don't know.
也许我没教过他什么 Maybe I didn't teach him something,
如何生活或者什么 how to live life or something.
这偶尔会困扰我 That bothers me occasionally.
为什么男孩们的生活完全不同? Why did the boys' lives turn out completely different?
我不需要读任何书籍 I don't need to read any books,
我不需要读任何研究 I don't need to read any studies.
我亲眼目睹了这三个男孩 I saw it first hand with those three boys.
这完全是由于后天的培育 It's all about nurture.
这三个年轻人 'These three young men
他们坐姿都一样 'they are all seated in the same position.'
我们发现了很多相似之处 We found a lot of similarities
因为那是人们在寻找的东西 because that's what people were looking for.
他们抽同样的香烟 They smoke the same kind of cigarettes.
你说 “哦 我的天” You say, "Oh my God,
“他们在抽万宝路 这太神奇了” "they're smoking Marlboros, that's amazing."
你不会去寻找他们的差异 What you're not looking for are their differences.
我告诉你们 我无法解释 'I can't get over it, I'm telling you.
你们都曾练摔跤吗? 'You all wrestled at one time?'
是的 'Yes.'
我们找到了相似的方式 We found the ways that we were alike
我们强调了它们 我们想要相似 and we emphasized them and we wanted to be alike.
我们彼此相爱 We were falling in love with each other.
我想有些浅显的东西 I think there were superficialities.
他们喜欢相同的东西 他们有相似的兴趣 They liked the same things and they had similar interests,
但是在更深层次他们是不同的 but deep down they were different.
他们不是生物学决定命运的案例 They were not a case study of biology being destiny.
我开始相信基因和环境 I've come to believe genes and the environment
是密切竞争的 are close competitors.
你可以说我们向这个方向漂移 You could say that we drift in the direction
顺着基因告诉我们的方向 that our genes tell us to go
但这并不意味着你注定了 but it doesn't mean you are destined
成为一个人或另一个人 to be one person or another.
我相信我今天还在这里 I believe that I'm still here today
是因为我父母给我的基础 because of the foundation that was given to me by my parents.
我相信这绝对有所影响 I believe that absolutely made a difference
帮助我同任何遇到的恶魔抗争 in terms of struggling with whatever demons I struggle with.
我相信先天条件和后天培养都很重要 I believe nature and nurture both matter.
但我认为培养几乎可以克服一切 But I think nurture can overcome nearly everything.
在影片拍摄之后 犹太家庭和儿童服务委员会已向大卫和罗伯特提供他们索要的研究记录 超过10,000页报告在拍摄完成后被披露
然而记录并不包含正式结论，且被严重删减，以保护该项研究中的其他对象
因为这项研究从未发表过 Because the study's never been published
我们根本就不知道 we simply don't know definitively
以这种方式分离了多少人 how many people's lives were separated in this fashion.
可能还有更多的双胞胎 There may still be twins out there
不知道他们是双胞胎 who still don't know they are twins.
可能至少有四个个体 There are probably at least four individuals
作为这项研究的研究对象 who were subjects of this study
他们不知道他们有双胞胎 who don't know that they have a twin.
如果他们知道还有双胞胎存在 If they know that there are still twins out there
生命是不完整的 这真令人费解 that are missing out on life, it boggles the mind.
有两种考虑的方式 There's two ways of thinking about it.
这些人真的应该知道他们有双胞胎 These people really should know that there is a twin,
或者 “哦 天呐 这些人不应该知道” or, "Oh my God, these people should not know
“他们已经习惯了 这会扰乱他们的” "that they were used this way, that will make them so upset."
也许这就是为什么这项研究没有发表的原因 Maybe this is why the study cannot be published as yet,
直到他们都离世了 until they're gone.
这真的开辟了可能 It really opens up the possibility.
任何人都可能走在拐角处 Anybody can just walk around the corner
一转身发现你有一个双胞胎在那 and discover that you have a twin out there.