1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,250 (音乐) [Music] 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:15,120 大家好，欢迎来到声音和图像实验室 hello and welcome to sound and image lab 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,119 杜比学院播客这是 the dolby institute podcast this is a 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,520 展示艺术家如何使用技术来 show about how artists use technology to 5 00:00:17,119 --> 00:00:21,039 讲述他们的故事，我是主持人 tell their stories and i'm your host 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,039 格伦·凯瑟 glenn kaiser 7 00:00:21,039 --> 00:00:24,480 今天我们继续报道 today we're continuing our coverage of 8 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:27,119 一些开创性的工作正在进行 some of the groundbreaking work being 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,439 在电子游戏和阿莱斯特·哈里斯 done in video games and aleister harris 10 00:00:27,119 --> 00:00:32,480 和后面的音效团队坐下来 sits down with the sound team behind 11 00:00:29,439 --> 00:00:36,000 《对马岛之鬼》一个巨大的开放世界 ghost of tsushima a giant open world 12 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:38,399 武士动作游戏设定在封建日本 samurai action game set in feudal japan 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,399 该团队采取了艰苦的步骤来获得 the team took painstaking steps to get 14 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:42,719 玩家的真实和身临其境 players as authentic and immersive and 15 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:44,160 经验丰富，我相信 experienced as possible and i believe 16 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:46,079 你会得到一个 you're going gonna come away with a 17 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:48,320 对所有工作有了新的感激 newfound appreciation for all the work 18 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:50,480 这就是构建声音的过程 that goes into constructing the sound 19 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,320 对于这些庞大的史诗游戏来说 for these sprawling epic games like 20 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:54,559 对马岛之魂 ghost of tsushima 21 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,399 我真心希望你们喜欢这一集 i really hope you enjoy this episode and 22 00:00:54,559 --> 00:00:58,399 这门课还会讲到更多 we have more coming up over the course 23 00:00:56,399 --> 00:01:00,960 接下来的几周会有更多的剧集 of the next few weeks more episodes on 24 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:02,879 我们的播客是关于游戏的 our podcast about games and so for now 25 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:07,559 我要把它交给阿拉斯泰尔 i'm going to hand it over to alastair 26 00:01:02,879 --> 00:01:07,559 来自杜比游戏开发者关系 from dolby game developer relations 27 00:01:12,290 --> 00:01:15,379 (音乐) [Music] 28 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,320 嗨，我是阿利斯泰尔·赫斯特，资深选手 hi i'm alistair hurst the senior game 29 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,320 开发商关系经理杜比 developer relations manager dolby 30 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:24,560 今天我很高兴为大家带来 i'm very pleased today to be bringing 31 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:26,880 你们是音效团队的成员 you some of the sound team who worked on 32 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,840 我觉得《苏马岛之魂》这个游戏 ghosts of sushima a game that i think 33 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,759 会成为经典和今天的我们有什么关系 will become a classic and today we have 34 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,920 布拉德利·迈耶牧师博士，他是 the dr reverend bradley meyer who is the 35 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:36,320 游戏的音频总监很差劲 audio director on the game apoorva 36 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,479 Banzal高级程序员 banzal senior programmer 37 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:40,159 亚当·利德贝特是一名监督员 adam lidbetter who is a supervising 38 00:01:38,479 --> 00:01:41,520 索尼产品的声音设计师 sound designer at sony product 39 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:44,240 发展集团 development group 40 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,799 安德鲁·巴雷什，高级音乐编辑 and andrew baresh senior music editor at 41 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,799 所以这款游戏是索尼产品开发来的 sony product development so this game to 42 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:51,040 对我来说，它似乎是一切 me it seems like everything 43 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:52,399 一起制作这款游戏 came together on this game making games 44 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,560 是很难，你不总是得到 is hard and you don't always get 45 00:01:52,399 --> 00:01:57,200 一切都对齐，但在这个游戏中 everything aligning but in this game 46 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,920 你知道游戏设计，音频 you know the game design the audio the 47 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,159 艺术，所有的东西似乎都排在一起 art all that stuff seem to line up and 48 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:04,159 在这里创造真正的经典 create a real classic here 49 00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:05,360 美丽的世界很有趣 uh beautiful world interesting 50 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:08,160 字符 characters 51 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:10,399 布拉德，我很好奇多久了 and so uh i'm curious brad how long was 52 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:13,280 这个游戏正在开发中 this game in development 53 00:02:10,399 --> 00:02:16,480 是的，我们从 yeah we started in uh 54 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:19,200 我想2016年初是我们开始的时候 i think early 2016 is when we we began 55 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:21,680 在前期制作中 pre-production on it um 56 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:25,680 然后它就出来了 and uh so it came out in 57 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:28,400 2020年7月，所以你知道 july of 2020 so it was you know about uh 58 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,560 五年了，当我从 five years uh when i'm from from 59 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,080 从开始到结束，是的，就是这样 beginning to end but yeah that was that 60 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,959 是不是我们从a开始 was it um you know we start with a 61 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,760 制作音频的团队非常小 really pretty small team uh the audio 62 00:02:34,959 --> 00:02:40,560 团队实际上只有我和一个 team was actually just myself and a 63 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,840 声音实现者 sound implementer at that point um 64 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,840 然后我们带来了 and then we brought 65 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,120 关于资深音效设计师josh Lord on a senior sound designer josh lord we 66 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,680 雇佣了他 hired him 67 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:51,519 大概六个月吧 uh maybe six months in 68 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:53,120 然后我们依靠索尼 and uh and then we relied on sony uh 69 00:02:51,519 --> 00:02:55,120 产品开发组有很多 product development group for a lot of 70 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,599 帮助安德鲁是队里的一员 help andrew was actually on the team 71 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,519 从一开始也是，但是你 from the beginning as well but uh you 72 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:01,599 就像我们在制定公式一样 know kind of as we were formulating 73 00:02:59,519 --> 00:03:03,280 作曲家的思想和音乐是如何产生的 composer ideas and and how the music 74 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:05,440 会起作用，但这是非常 would work but it was it was a very 75 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,239 一开始是小团队 small team at the beginning 76 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,959 伟大的 great 77 00:03:06,239 --> 00:03:10,480 那你是怎么招募新成员的 so how did you onboard new members how 78 00:03:08,959 --> 00:03:12,239 你让他们上台让他们明白了吗 did you bring them on so they understood 79 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,920 对游戏的憧憬和保持 the vision of the game and keep 80 00:03:12,239 --> 00:03:15,920 所有的对齐 everything aligned 81 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:19,680 你知道，我的意思是绝对有 um you know i mean there's definitely a 82 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:21,680 很多参考资料都是我们从 lot of reference that we pulled from uh 83 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,120 从特别是从电影院你 from especially from from cinema you 84 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,000 知道很多 know a lot of uh 85 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,599 显然黑泽明的电影 obviously kurosawa films um 86 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,599 小林 kobayashi 87 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:31,840 我们也 we also 88 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:35,120 看了13个刺客，这是 looked at 13 assassins which was a 89 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:38,159 由takashi mikey um翻拍自 remake by takashi mikey um from the 90 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:40,319 2000年代中期，那是另一个 mid-2000s and that was another one where 91 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:42,799 嗯，你知道，只是看着你可以 uh you know just watching that you could 92 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:44,560 我觉得它很接地气 kind of see that it's very grounded and 93 00:03:42,799 --> 00:03:46,480 那是那真的是很多 that was that was really a lot of what 94 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:50,080 我们要找的就是那种 we were looking for was was kind of that 95 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:52,959 你的脚踏实地的一面jimbo sanjiro RON grounded aspect of yo jimbo sanjiro ron 96 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,200 13个刺客，所以他们有点 13 assassins and so those were kind of a 97 00:03:52,959 --> 00:03:57,040 非常强的一点 really strong point uh kind of to get 98 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,200 人们开始理解了 people kicked off and understanding the 99 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,840 视力和其他东西，比如我 vision um and the other thing like i 100 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,519 他说那里人不多 said is is there weren't a lot of people 101 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,040 尽早完成项目，这样 working on the project early so that 102 00:04:03,519 --> 00:04:07,280 给了我们一些时间来玩 gave us some time to like kind of at 103 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,879 至少建立一个声音调色板来帮忙 least build up a sound palette to help 104 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,080 描述了我们的审美 kind of describe the aesthetic we were 105 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:12,640 寻找，然后就变成了 looking for and then it was just a 106 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,560 从那里开始打磨它 matter of polishing it from there 107 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,400 很好，跟我多讲讲 great so yeah tell me a bit more about 108 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,959 你做的前期制作 that pre-production did you do 109 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:21,120 模型，你知道，张贴线性 mock-ups you know um posting linear 110 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:23,040 你是怎么找到那个 stuff how did you you know find the 111 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,240 游戏之声 sound of the game 112 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,000 是的，我是说 yeah i mean 113 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,040 我想这上面有很多东西 i think with a lot of things on this 114 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,360 这个项目是从研究开始的 project it was it started with research 115 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,560 实际上我们做了大量的 actually we did an immense amount of 116 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,479 研究 research 117 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,800 每个球队都这么做了，因为你知道 every single team did because you know 118 00:04:34,479 --> 00:04:39,440 我们真的需要了解整个 we're really having to learn this entire 119 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,680 历史时期真的 historical time period it really 120 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,320 碰巧它真的存在，而我们想要 happened it really existed and we wanted 121 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,960 在创造性自由的时候 to while taking creative liberties were 122 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:50,320 必要时，我们仍然想做的时间 necessary we still wanted to do the time 123 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:52,320 期间和内容公正所以它 period and and the content justice so it 124 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,639 这是从研究1开始的 really started with you know research i 125 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,720 意思是研究什么样的盔甲能 mean researching what kind of armor did 126 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:58,479 蒙古人穿的是煮过的皮革 mongols wear okay it was boiled leather 127 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,479 你怎么做煮皮盔甲和 how do you make boiled leather armor and 128 00:04:58,479 --> 00:05:02,720 实际上是在做制作的实验 actually doing experiments of making 129 00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:04,880 水煮皮革盔甲的面板是什么样的 panels of boiled leather armor what kind 130 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,360 武士的盔甲是 of armor did the samurai have it was 131 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:10,479 更多的是纸质的，那么你是如何制作的 more paper-based so how do you make 132 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,720 用纸做的坚固盔甲 strong armor out of paper and um 133 00:05:10,479 --> 00:05:15,600 你知道什么样的鞋能 you know what kind of of shoes did 134 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:18,320 人们穿的是什么马和 people wear what about the horses and 135 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,160 所以它是它只是一个常数 so it was it was just constant uh 136 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,720 研究，然后就出去了 research and then just going out in the 137 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,919 现场和记录 field and recording 138 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:30,320 我们雇佣了 we employed uh our 139 00:05:25,919 --> 00:05:32,320 索尼日本工作室的团队 team at uh sony japan studio um 140 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,880 我们和基塔关系很好 we had a great relationship with kita 141 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,840 骚扰和tarasakisan，他们出借了 harassan and tarasakisan and they lent 142 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,680 我们 us 143 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:40,000 是他们团队中相当不错的一部分 a you know decent portion of their team 144 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,560 要去录遍整个主 to go record throughout the the main 145 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,000 日本的岛屿嗯去捕捉了很多 island of japan uh to capture a lot of 146 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,160 我们的氛围 ambience for us 147 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,960 嗯，所有这些事情真的有点 um and all these things really kind of 148 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,320 帮助我们了解游戏是如何进行的 helped inform kind of how the game was 149 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,960 发出声音 going to sound 150 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,120 很好，在识别所有人方面 great uh and in terms of identifying all 151 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,479 你的技术系统 the technical systems that you were 152 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,840 要为这款游戏建造 going to have to build for this game 153 00:05:56,479 --> 00:05:59,600 因为很明显有很多 because obviously there were a lot of 154 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:01,680 他们嗯 them um 155 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,600 那是早期的还是刚刚的 was that early on or was that just as 156 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,520 你在发现的过程中前进 you move through the process discovering 157 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,120 缺失的东西是怎么做到的 things that were missing how did that 158 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,199 过程中去 process go 159 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,919 两者都有一点，但基本上都是 a little bit of both but it was mostly 160 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:14,319 在早期，我的意思是你知道一些质数 early on i mean you know a couple prime 161 00:06:11,919 --> 00:06:16,800 我们知道我们想要的例子 examples were we knew we wanted to have 162 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:19,600 一个非常深刻的音乐系统，所以你知道 a really deep music system so you know 163 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:22,319 安德鲁，波尔巴和我我们开始了 andrew and porba and i we started 164 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,319 早点谈话，试着弄清楚 talking early and trying to figure out 165 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:26,319 有点像我们的边缘 kind of what the edges were where we 166 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:28,800 我们想让你知道 were going to want to have you know 167 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:31,440 音乐变化的独特音乐 unique music where music changes 168 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,280 所以我们开始研究 and so we started working on 169 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,880 用臭名昭著的第二太阳的系统 with the system from infamous second sun 170 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:37,280 并以此为基础 and kind of building on that making it 171 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,840 更灵活 more flexible um 172 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:41,199 然后是另一个大例子 and then the other kind of big example 173 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:44,160 那个可怜的人可能会说 of that that apoorva could probably talk 174 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:46,080 更多的是我们的环境系统和你 about more is our ambient system and you 175 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,319 知道这个事实 know just the fact that 176 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,560 你知道我们当时是一个小团队 uh you know we were a really small team 177 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:53,599 但是我们需要做 uh but we needed to make 178 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:56,080 你知道的，一个巨大的游戏 uh you know a gigantic game and 179 00:06:53,599 --> 00:06:58,880 你知道，我认为比赛的规模 you know i think the size of the game 180 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,720 跟什么比起来真是太大了 uh was was huge uh compared to what 181 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,599 我们之前做过的，和 we've done before and compared to the 182 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,520 团队的规模对我们来说真的 size of the team so for us it was really 183 00:07:03,599 --> 00:07:07,360 想办法解决这个问题 about figuring out ways that we could do 184 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,680 聪明地做事，建立系统 things smartly and build systems that 185 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,680 是可扩展的，所以我们没有 were scalable so that we weren't having 186 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:14,080 你知道的 to spend you know 187 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,919 我们多年的发展时间刚刚 years of our development time just 188 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,240 试图维护系统，但是 trying to maintain the systems but 189 00:07:15,919 --> 00:07:19,440 而是数据可以驱动它们 rather that the data could drive them 190 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,000 好酷 okay cool 191 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:25,280 我们来深入研究一下 um yeah let's dig into uh some of those 192 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,440 你建立的系统是个巨大的世界 systems you you built it's a huge world 193 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,599 我很好奇你是怎么做到的 i'm curious you know how did you scale 194 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,280 准备好你需要的一切 up everything that you needed for that 195 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:33,840 同时又不失灵活性 without losing flexibility and 196 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,599 通用性，你知道系统做了什么 generality you know what systems did you 197 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,000 为这款游戏构建 build for this game 198 00:07:35,599 --> 00:07:41,680 所以我认为基石是什么 yeah so i think the cornerstone of what 199 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,039 我们建造的那个代表了 we built that kind of represents the 200 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,759 灵活性 flexibility 201 00:07:43,039 --> 00:07:48,960 不失一般性和 without loss of general generality and 202 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:51,280 就像设计机构是环境音乐 like design agency was the ambient music 203 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,240 系统或环境音响系统 system or ambient sound system 204 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,560 和 and 205 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,800 它背后的想法是使用 the the idea behind it was to use 206 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,759 程序技术或程序 procedural technology or procedural 207 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,720 生成一些数据点和 generation with some data points and 208 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:02,000 也 also 209 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,479 驾驶 the driving 210 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,319 而决策内容即布拉德 and decision-making content that brad 211 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:07,759 和其他声音设计师 provides and the other sound designers 212 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:10,560 将填充 would populate 213 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:11,440 基本上在周围的区域 to basically in the area around the 214 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,360 球员 player 215 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,520 播放不同的声音，并始终做到这一点 play different sounds and always make it 216 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,039 足够细致以至于任何区域 nuanced enough so such that any area 217 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,520 听起来像 sounded like 218 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:22,919 它在这种环境中被浸透了 it was soaked in this kind of ambience 219 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,919 环境景观 ambient landscape 220 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,800 所以从来没有看起来从来没有 so it never it never seemed like the 221 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,320 玩家独自一人 player was alone 222 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,599 除非我们有意让他们这么做 unless we intentionally wanted them to 223 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,800 感到孤独 feel alone 224 00:08:43,599 --> 00:08:46,160 所以不管在哪里 so it didn't matter where in the 225 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,080 即使在那里你也会去的环境 environment you would go even if there 226 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,760 你没有敌人或其他人吗 was no enemies or other people you 227 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,000 我一直都有个助手 always had this sidekick that was the 228 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,800 环境或环境本身 environment or the ambience itself and 229 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,800 所以 so 230 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,640 氛围就像音频本身 the ambience like the audio itself did a 231 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,720 很好地利用了 really good job of playing off of what 232 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,959 视觉效果强化了这一点 the visuals were and reinforced that 233 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,120 有点忧郁的旅程 kind of melancholic kind of journey that 234 00:09:00,959 --> 00:09:05,040 Jyn在整个比赛中经历了很多 jyn has through the entire game a lot of 235 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,720 归结起来就是 it comes down to 236 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:10,000 制作一个简单的创作系统 making an authoring system that's easy 237 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,680 足够让设计师使用或不使用 enough for designers to use and doesn't 238 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,080 消除设计师机构认为 eliminate the designer agency that 239 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:15,440 存在，所以我们使用excel表格 exists and so we use excel sheets 240 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,720 开车 to drive 241 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,399 这是什么样的信息啊 what sort of information that was 242 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,160 然后提供给系统 provided to the system and then the 243 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:23,279 运行时使用了它和一些 runtime used that along with some 244 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,959 统计学和概率方法 statistics and probabilistic methods to 245 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:27,600 生成真正的声音 generate what sounds would actually be 246 00:09:24,959 --> 00:09:29,200 在运行时和这两个系统中播放 played at runtime and those two systems 247 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,959 这些都是创作流程 together the kind of that authoring flow 248 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,279 与系统结合在一起 with the system together 249 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:35,839 发出你听到的声音 produce the the sounds that you hear 250 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:37,440 这些是针对不同的生物群系 and these were for the different biomes 251 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:39,680 你你移动是因为 that you you move because there's 252 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:42,720 种类繁多，是的 tremendous variety in there yeah 253 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:43,519 当然，我们得到了各种各样的食物 absolutely so uh the variety that we got 254 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,360 是 was 255 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,880 就像你说的那样 uh as you as you suggested on these 256 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,040 不同的生物群系，所以我们实际上 different biomes and so we actually 257 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,880 编写一个单独的excel电子表格 authored an individual excel spreadsheet 258 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,880 对于每一个生物群系 for each biome and each 259 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,480 电子表格中 spreadsheet contained 260 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,480 你知道所有可能发生的事 you know a list of all the possible 261 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,480 听起来 sounds 262 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,920 在每个声音中，它实际上就像 and within each sound it's actually like 263 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,079 一个我们实际拥有的群体 a group or grouping we actually have 264 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,160 个人嗯 individual um 265 00:10:14,079 --> 00:10:17,680 这些声音本身的多样性 variety for those sounds itself so a 266 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,720 伯德可能有5到10个 bird may actually have five to ten 267 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:20,720 不同的 different 268 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,040 可能会播放的片段 uh clips that might play 269 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,240 但是表面上看，这背后的逻辑 but uh ostensibly the logic behind it 270 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,680 驱动它的是一样的 that's driving it uh is the same um and 271 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,839 我们随机选择了 so we just randomized the selection of 272 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:31,760 这些是在运行时，这样你 those at runtime and so that way you 273 00:10:29,839 --> 00:10:32,560 你不会口腔疲劳的 don't you don't get this oral fatigue 274 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,160 那。 that 275 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,279 我们本来是相遇和善良的 we originally were encountering and kind 276 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,320 注意到的 of noticing 277 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,839 嗯 um 278 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,760 但你也让它足够简单 but you also make it simple enough so 279 00:10:37,839 --> 00:10:41,519 设计师不一定要喜欢 that the designer doesn't have to like 280 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,959 指定每一行或 specify each and every single line or 281 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:45,920 每一个声音，什么时候该发出 every single sound and when it should 282 00:10:42,959 --> 00:10:47,680 玩，所以它抽象出你绝对 play so it abstracts out you definitely 283 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,440 失去一些控制，但是 lose some of that control but the 284 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:51,519 系统的灵活性使得它如此 flexibility of the system makes it such 285 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,480 你不会错过的，你不会错过的 that you don't miss it you don't miss 286 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:56,560 失去了灵活性 that losing that flexibility right right 287 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,160 那像这样糟糕的事情呢 how about things like um that can suck 288 00:10:56,560 --> 00:11:00,560 很多时候你知道，比如 up a lot of time you know things like 289 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,320 人物身上的脚印或福利 footsteps or foley on the characters 290 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:04,320 诸如此类的东西你有什么 things like that did you have anything 291 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,720 这样就加快了速度 for that that sort of sped things up 292 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,560 是的，我的意思是有一种混合 yeah i mean there's kind of a mix uh 293 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,120 很多现有的技术 a lot of the existing technology that we 294 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:12,560 已经很好地融合了吗 had uh integrated well enough with with 295 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,000 音频 audio 296 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:15,360 我们做了一些事情 there were some things that we did with 297 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,040 的脚步, footsteps where 298 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,120 实际上是我们的一些技术艺术家 uh some of our tech artists actually 299 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,959 一般创建一个允许的工具 generally created a tool that allowed 300 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,440 动画器自动标记的位置 animators to automatically tag where 301 00:11:20,959 --> 00:11:25,519 脚步声开始了，又结束了 footsteps began and ended or a foot 302 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,200 锁定确实发生了 locking actually happened and so that 303 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:28,399 这样我们就知道了脚步声的时间 way we had the timing of the footstep 304 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,440 下来 down 305 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:33,200 不是所有的动画，但是很多 for not all animations but many of them 306 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,040 具有发出声音的灵活性 with the flexibility that a sound 307 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,480 设计师可以进入动画，然后 designer could go into the animation and 308 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,480 改变的时候 change when 309 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,560 那扇窗是什么，意味着什么 what that window was and what that meant 310 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,000 它是否减少了很多开销 was it eliminated a lot of the overhead 311 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:43,440 一个人必须离开 of having an individual having to go 312 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,440 放入这些文件，并标记每一个 into those files and tag every 313 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,399 单独一个，因为动画师 individual one because an animator just 314 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,880 在他们做的时候做 doing it while they're doing their 315 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:51,760 正常的动画工作是可以的 normal animation work was able to 316 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:54,160 把它作为流程的一部分 kind of add that as part of their flow 317 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,240 所以即使没有 and so immediately even without 318 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,920 一个声音设计师进去了 a sound designer going in and kind of 319 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,959 将窗口更改为确切的 changing the windows to be exactly what 320 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:03,360 他们想让你听到最初的声音 they wanted you had the initial sound of 321 00:12:00,959 --> 00:12:05,279 脚步声响起，然后是奔跑 uh footsteps happening and then at run 322 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,360 我们还有时间 time we have 323 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:09,040 基本上是动态的 basically dynamic um 324 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,120 一个动态的理解有多重 a dynamic understanding of how heavy a 325 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:14,399 可能是脚步声，等等 footstep might be and so all that 326 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,399 信息加上uh的类型 information combined with the type of uh 327 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:17,600 玩家所处的动作或动画 action or animation that the player is 328 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:19,680 目前做 currently doing 329 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,839 进入音响系统 goes into the sound system and 330 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:23,440 在这种情况下Brad或者是音效设计师 brad in this case or the sound designers 331 00:12:21,839 --> 00:12:26,560 在这种情况下 in this case have 332 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:29,200 这并不复杂，但是 um this kind of not complicated but like 333 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:31,440 一个关于做什么的健壮而详细的矩阵 a robust and detailed matrix of what to 334 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,880 玩的时候就这样跟所有的人在一起了 play at that time and so with all the 335 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,000 提供的信息 information that's provided from the 336 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,240 引擎 engine to 337 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:39,120 到声音引擎，我们可以得到这个 to the sound engine we can we get this 338 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,800 多样性和这种丰富的背景 variety and this rich kind of context 339 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,959 还有另一件事 and and then actually the other thing 340 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,120 值得注意的是，它刚刚开始 worth noting there is it started just 341 00:12:42,959 --> 00:12:47,760 对于脚步和只是 for footsteps and and just 342 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,720 我的意思是节省了几个月 doing that i mean saved months and 343 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,959 个月的 months of 344 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,880 实现者的时间到了 time for an implementer 345 00:12:50,959 --> 00:12:55,360 然后我们就可以利用这一点 and then we were able to leverage that 346 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,440 同样的系统也可以处理所有的 same system to also handle all of the 347 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,839 福利，你知道的，就是衣服 the foley and you know just clothing 348 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,839 运动也是为了运动，所以我们 movement for locomotion as well so we 349 00:12:59,839 --> 00:13:03,519 基本上可以卸载 basically were able to offload 350 00:13:01,839 --> 00:13:06,240 我的意思是，你知道可能会发生什么 i mean you know probably what would have 351 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:09,120 60%到70%的 been 60 to 70 percent of all of our 352 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:11,440 所有运动的动画标记 animation tagging of all the locomotion 353 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,279 只要让动画师标记在哪里 just by having the animators tag where 354 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,279 脚需要锁定地形 the feet needed to lock onto terrains 355 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:16,800 不管怎样，很有帮助，尤其是 anyway yeah helpful especially yeah with 356 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:18,480 你可以穿各种不同的衣服 all the different outfits you can put on 357 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,560 诸如此类的事情，所以必须交换 and things like that so having to swap 358 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,560 所有的福利，呃 all that foley out um how about the 359 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:24,560 战斗动画有时可以 combat animations those can sometimes 360 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:26,800 也会占用很多时间 take up a lot of time too 361 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:31,040 是的，那就是我们最后做的 yeah that was uh what we ended up doing 362 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:33,360 为战斗而战的是程序员 for combat is a programmer 363 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,920 给了我们一个脚本 gave us a script 364 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,920 我们在整个项目中都保持着 that we maintain through the project and 365 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,399 那真的很棒，因为 that was really great because 366 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,959 基本上剧本是在看 basically the script was looking at the 367 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:44,880 预测每场战斗的结果 predicted outcomes of every combat 368 00:13:42,959 --> 00:13:47,839 互动，什么时候 interaction so when 369 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,519 你会被谁和 you were going to get blocked by who and 370 00:13:47,839 --> 00:13:52,720 什么武器，当你要打 what weapon when you were going to hit 371 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:54,320 他们和什么武器等等 them and how what weapon etc and so 372 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,720 而不是我们去标记每一个 rather than us having to tag every 373 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,720 动画我们只是维持 animation we just kind of maintain the 374 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,800 脚本允许我们直接走 script that allowed us to just go 375 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,279 穿过，好吧，这是这是 through and okay well here's here's the 376 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,399 阻挡武士刀，如果武士刀 block for the katana and if the katana 377 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:06,480 是打 is hitting 378 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:08,560 这个家伙，我们想放这个声音 uh this guy we want this sound to play 379 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,560 如果他是向上一击 if he's hitting him in an upward strike 380 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:12,880 相对于向下打击，我们想要这些 versus a downward strike we want these 381 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:15,600 如果他被屏蔽了就放这声音 sounds to play if he's getting blocked 382 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,760 用带尖刺的盾牌或是厚重的盾牌 by a spiked shield or a heavy shield we 383 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,079 想要播放这些声音，所以是这样的 want these sounds to play so it was this 384 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:22,560 对我们来说是一个很好的集中地 really great centralized place for us to 385 00:14:20,079 --> 00:14:24,880 能够把所有的数据都放进去 be able to put all the data in for all 386 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:27,199 战斗互动，而不是拥有 combat interactions rather than having 387 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:31,839 进入每一个动画擦洗 to go into every single animation scrub 388 00:14:27,199 --> 00:14:31,839 通过删除事件 through drop the uh drop the events 389 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,560 另一件很棒的事是 and the other really great thing about 390 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,720 这是因为它具有预测性 this is because it was a predictive 391 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,959 我们能够启动的系统 system we were actually able to start 392 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,199 我们的音效稍微早了一点 our sound effects just a hair early i 393 00:14:54,959 --> 00:14:59,839 我想我们可以抵消它 think we we could offset it i think we 394 00:14:57,199 --> 00:15:02,639 偏移了60毫秒 offseted it by 60 milliseconds and so 395 00:14:59,839 --> 00:15:04,399 这让我们不仅要给予 that actually gave us not only to give 396 00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:06,240 我们在我们的 us a little bit of a of a head in our 397 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:08,800 我们可以设计音效，但是 sound effects that we could design but 398 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,519 这也让战斗感更加强烈 it also just made the combat feel 399 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:15,199 更活泼，因为声音是 snappier because the sound was was just 400 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:17,600 难以辨认的数量 the indecipherable amounts uh 401 00:15:15,199 --> 00:15:19,440 比实际早 earlier than than the actual 402 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,120 行动本身 action itself 403 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,760 嗯很有趣 huh interesting 404 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,720 我们来谈谈音乐吧 um let's turn to music uh for a bit here 405 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,959 嗯 um 406 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,959 好分数听起来真的很合适 great score sounds really great uh fits 407 00:15:26,959 --> 00:15:31,440 然后告诉我你知道的 in there well and tell me about you know 408 00:15:28,959 --> 00:15:33,600 你是怎么找到你的作曲家的 how you found your composers and uh how 409 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,839 这个过程很有效 that process worked uh yeah well we 410 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,480 像brad一样开始我们的作曲家搜索 started our composer search like brad 411 00:15:35,839 --> 00:15:40,880 很早就说过了 said pretty early on and 412 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,399 我们一开始是在找 uh we were looking initially i mean 413 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,600 显然是为了找到合适的作曲家 obviously for the right composer for the 414 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:45,839 项目但 project but 415 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,680 最理想的是找一个有 ideally looking for somebody who had 416 00:15:45,839 --> 00:15:49,920 日本音乐的背景 this background in japanese music or 417 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,160 我在拍有日本人的电影 working on films that had this japanese 418 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:55,040 审美，这就引出了我们的两个 aesthetic so that led us to our two 419 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,560 作曲家umabayashi和Alan composers shigeru umabayashi and alan 420 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,320 ishkari ishkari 421 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,000 我们让他们开始了 and we got them started 422 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,120 我不知道，也许几年前吧 i don't know maybe a couple years before 423 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,120 我们发货 we shipped 424 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,639 为游戏写音乐只是放而已 writing music for the game just putting 425 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,800 一起吃一些糖果 some sweets together 426 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:08,079 我只是想好好了解一下 and just getting a good idea of the the 427 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,079 游戏的声音将如何发展 sound of the game how it's going to 428 00:16:08,079 --> 00:16:12,000 当你在岛上探险的时候 sound when you're exploring the island 429 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:12,880 在战斗中听起来会是什么样子 what it's going to sound like in combat 430 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,199 你知道 you know 431 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,800 日本人有多少审美 how much of the japanese the aesthetic 432 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:20,680 我们需要在那里工作吗 do we need to work in there versus the 433 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,680 好莱坞配乐美学 hollywood score aesthetic 434 00:16:24,210 --> 00:16:28,479 (音乐) [Music] 435 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,680 你知道游戏的最终结果 you know the final result in the game 436 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,000 很明显，如果你扮演鬼魂 obviously if you played ghost of 437 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,920 对马岛是一个非常大的 tsushima you know it's a very large 438 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,519 开放世界游戏的玩家有很多 open world game the player has a lot of 439 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,040 做自由代理 free agency to do 440 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:49,120 他们想做什么就做什么 whatever they'd like whenever they'd 441 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,440 就像他们喜欢某些人一样 like however they'd like some people 442 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,880 可能会潜入敌人的营地 might sneak into an enemy encampment 443 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,240 其他人可能会 other people might 444 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,639 从前门跑过去 run right through the front door 445 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,240 挥舞的剑只是提醒大家 swinging swords just alerting everybody 446 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,000 所以我们需要把音乐 and so we need to take that music that 447 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,160 我们记录 we recorded 448 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,720 让它适当地缩放到 and get it to scale appropriately to 449 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,799 不管玩家是怎么玩游戏的 however a player is playing the game 450 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,959 为了做到这一点，我们建立了一个系统 and to do that we put a system together 451 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:11,280 叫做音乐邂逅系统和 called the music encounter system and 452 00:17:08,959 --> 00:17:12,319 本质上，这是一个以州为基础的系统 essentially it's a state-based system 453 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,319 它有很多不同的 that has a bunch of different 454 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:16,480 音乐的强度，我们 intensities of music within it and we're 455 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:18,559 看看游戏中的一些标准 looking at some criteria from the game 456 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,880 也就是之间的距离 namely the distance between 457 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:23,120 玩家和任何附近的敌人 the player and any uh nearby enemies and 458 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,280 这些敌人的意识状态 the awareness states of those enemies 459 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:27,039 所以当你越来越接近的时候 and so as you're getting closer or 460 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,960 远离那些敌人 further from those enemies and as 461 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:31,280 它们不是变多了就是变少了 they're becoming either more or less 462 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:34,000 我知道你是我们的目标 aware of you the player we're scaling 463 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,919 那音乐上下起伏，从 that music up and down uh starting with 464 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,360 你知道光探索者的音乐可能 you know light explorer music that might 465 00:17:35,919 --> 00:17:39,280 玩，如果你只是 play if you're just 466 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:42,080 在岛上闲逛，你知道的 wandering around the island you know 467 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,520 体验寿司之美 experiencing the beauty of sushima uh 468 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,360 然后可能会越来越多 and then it might get more and more 469 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,280 你越靠近就越紧张 tense and intense as you get closer to 470 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:48,080 敌人的营地，然后与之交战 an enemy encampment and then engage with 471 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,880 那些 those 472 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,240 战斗中的敌人很有趣 uh enemies in combat interesting 473 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,240 所以 so 474 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,640 这对系统来说是个挑战 often that a challenge with systems like 475 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,480 这是两者之间的过渡 that is the transitioning between the 476 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,960 用不同的音乐来制作 various sections of music to make it 477 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,880 听起来很自然，就像在游戏中一样 sound natural which it does in the game 478 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,200 你是怎么做到的 how did you how do you approach that 479 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,960 挑战，你知道的 challenge yeah well that's you know 480 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,200 这是这是很大一部分 that's that's sort of a big part of the 481 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,200 处理得当，我们得到了不同 process right we get the the different 482 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,760 强度降低了，但是我们怎么 intensities down but then yeah how do we 483 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,160 顺利地在他们之间穿梭，然后我们花钱 get between those smoothly and we spend 484 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,679 我们的编辑花了很多时间 a lot of time or our editors really 485 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,039 多花时间 spend a lot of time 486 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:20,960 挖掘材料，那是 digging through the material that was 487 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:22,080 记录 recorded 488 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,760 对于这些 for these 489 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,679 遇到系统提示 encounter system cues 490 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,720 把它们放在一起 and putting together 491 00:18:25,679 --> 00:18:31,120 成百上千种不同的 hundreds maybe thousands of different uh 492 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:33,120 过渡片段会让我们从 transition pieces that'll get us from 493 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:35,200 每个强度对应另一个强度 each intensity to the other intensity 494 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:36,720 就像所有不同的组合 like all all the different combinations 495 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,720 强度可以回到 of intensities that can go back and 496 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,720 出来 forth 497 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:53,880 啊 aah 498 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,880 (音乐) [Music] 499 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:04,160 所以我们花了很多时间，真的 so we we put in a lot of time uh really 500 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:07,039 我只是想确认一下有没有扣好扣子 just making sure that that's buttoned up 501 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:09,440 很紧，我想在比赛结束前 tight and i'd say by the end of the game 502 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:11,360 天啊，在我们明智的计划中，我认为这是 gosh in our wise project i think it's 503 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,880 差不多有2000种不同 something close to 2000 different 504 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:14,880 转换规则 transition rules 505 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,559 决定我们如何从一块碎片中得到 uh determining how we get from one piece 506 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,400 把音乐传给另一个人只是为了使它成为 of music to another just to make it as 507 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:21,120 尽可能平滑 smooth as possible 508 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,600 哇巨大 wow huge 509 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:26,080 用 and in terms of um 510 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,760 确保音乐是合适的 making sure that the music's appropriate 511 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,600 一直有多少种不同的 all the time how many different types of 512 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,760 你有没有混合，你有没有混合 mixes did you have did you did you mix 513 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,440 你是怎么得到音乐的 from stems or how did you get the music 514 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,160 让作曲家把它写进去 for the composer to get it into that 515 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,919 所以它是如此的合适 form so it was fitting so well 516 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,000 我们从作曲者那里得到样带 so we get a demo back from the composer 517 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:41,600 我们与作曲家合作 we work with the composers on their 518 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,440 作业的大部分 assignments either for a bigger part of 519 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,840 游戏或为一种 the game or for a 520 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,840 我们的音乐邂逅系统 system for our music encounter system uh 521 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,720 我们把它送到它该去的地方 we get it to where it has 522 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,880 我们觉得我们需要融入 what we feel we need to to fit in the 523 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,960 我们要做的那个特定部分的游戏 game for that particular part we'll take 524 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,320 我们会去录那个小样 that demo we'll go and record it 525 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,640 可能是一堆不同的录音 probably a bunch of different recording 526 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:01,760 也就是管弦乐，但是我们会 sessions namely orchestral but we'll 527 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:04,240 我也做了很多独奏录音 also do a lot of uh soloist recording as 528 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,400 给我们提供我们需要的材料 well to give us uh the material that we 529 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,120 编辑方面的需求 need on the editorial side 530 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:11,360 然后在专业工具中混合 that's then mixed in pro tools 531 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:13,600 这些混合器非常庞大且笨重 those mixes are very large and unwieldy 532 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:15,679 所以我们的工程团队对其进行了削减 so our engineering team whittles that 533 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,360 变成更少的茎，但是 down into a smaller number of stems but 534 00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:21,200 仍然可能 still probably 535 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:23,039 编辑可能会用到的20到40个词干 20 to 40 stems that an editor might use 536 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,559 然后我们开始演奏 and then we go through we start playing 537 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:26,320 这个游戏 the game 538 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:27,919 我们知道我们需要这种音乐 we know we need this type of music here 539 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,840 这种类型的编辑可能没有 this type of edit there maybe no 540 00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:31,679 这个版本可能只有打击乐 percussion in this version maybe only 541 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,000 这里面有日本乐器 the japanese instrumentation in this 542 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:35,600 版本和分配工作订单给 version and assign work orders out to 543 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,520 我们的编辑团队 our team of editors 544 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,640 然后他们就开始 and they just start you know going 545 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:42,159 在专业工具的基础上 through on a stem level uh in pro tools 546 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,720 给我们弄点东西 just getting us the little bits and 547 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:46,240 我们需要为这些音乐谱曲 pieces of music that we need uh to score 548 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,880 剩下的比赛 the the rest of the game 549 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,720 所以让我们深入研究一些具体的声音 so let's dig into some specific sounds 550 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,640 系统。 and systems um 551 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,039 我想是其中之一 i think one of the 552 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,720 这款游戏的机制非常棒 the really great mechanics in this game 553 00:20:55,039 --> 00:21:00,240 你知道这是一个巨大的开放世界吗 is that you know it's a huge open world 554 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,600 游戏，但你需要知道去哪里 game but you need to know where to go as 555 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,159 你从一个任务到另一个任务 you go from mission to mission and 556 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,640 有一个引导风 there's that guiding wind thing where 557 00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:08,480 你知道你可以顺着方向 you know you can follow the direction of 558 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,400 风和树叶都在吹 the wind and the leaves are blowing a 559 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,000 如果你需要，你可以确定方向 certain direction if you need to you can 560 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,679 打开你的控制器 you know flick up on your controller on 561 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,000 垫在那里，你会你会得到 the pad there and you'll you'll get the 562 00:21:13,679 --> 00:21:18,720 听起来有点失控，我只是好奇 sound out of controller i'm just curious 563 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,000 你知道这是控制器的使用 um you know that was a use of controller 564 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,919 演讲者 speakers 565 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,320 你是怎么想到这个的 how did you come up with that 566 00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:26,720 是的，我是说引导风是 yeah i mean the the guiding wind was 567 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,559 有趣的是，就像你说的 interesting because i mean like you said 568 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,520 这是一个非常独特的机制 it's such a unique mechanic and it's 569 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:34,559 很适合做导航和 great to make things like navigation and 570 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:37,120 寻径对我们来说更具有叙事性 path finding more diegetic um for us it 571 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:39,360 是一个巨大的挑战，因为 was a huge challenge because 572 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:40,960 风是游戏的重要组成部分 wind was a really big part of the game 573 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:43,760 在很多方面都有 in so many ways there was the 574 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,000 你知道的环境风 environmental wind which you know the 575 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,919 风总是在游戏中吹 wind was always blowing in the game so 576 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,400 总是有运动，因为 there was always movement because that 577 00:21:47,919 --> 00:21:51,840 真的是艺术的核心方向吗 was really a core direction from art 578 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,520 方向和创意方向 direction and creative directions that 579 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,320 这个世界必须永远活着 the world must be alive and always 580 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,559 移动，所以我们不得不面对 moving so we had to kind of contend with 581 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:01,600 周围的风，然后我们有 the kind of ambient wind and then we had 582 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:03,679 这额外的风有点 this additional wind that was kind of 583 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:07,679 处理导航，很明显 handling the navigation so obviously 584 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:10,840 对游戏玩法至关重要 super critical to to gameplay um 585 00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:13,360 所以我们设计了一个系统 so we designed a system that was uh 586 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,600 有三种声音可以传播 three sounds that kind of traveled along 587 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:17,679 样条在你的方向 splines like in the direction of your 588 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,960 客观的，它们都是 objective and they were each 589 00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:23,440 独立意识的那种 independently aware of the kind of the 590 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,960 他们正在旅行的亚生物群 sub biome that they were traveling 591 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,640 任何时候都可以通过，这样我们就可以 through at any time so we could get 592 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:30,799 这些独特的阵风是基于 these really unique wind gusts based on 593 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:34,000 他们所经过的地方 on what they were traveling through 594 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:35,840 这是原版的内容 um and that was on the original version 595 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,799 那是鬼 of ghost that was 596 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,159 为数不多的几个我发不出来的音之一 one of very very few sounds i can't 597 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,679 我也没想过别的，但它是 actually think of any others but it was 598 00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:44,000 这是我们很少听到的声音之一 one of very few sounds that we actually 599 00:22:41,679 --> 00:22:45,600 接通扬声器控制器，然后 put through the speaker controller and 600 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,480 你知道扬声器控制器的 you know the the speaker controller for 601 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,600 我 me 602 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,679 我把它当作你的生活频道吗 is i i treat it like an lfe channel you 603 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,240 要知道你是有节制地使用它 know you use it sparingly 604 00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:56,880 这才是真正有意义的 uh where it really makes sense for for 605 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,200 游戏体验，在这种情况下 the gameplay experience and in this case 606 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,039 就像你知道的，很明显 it was like well you know it's obviously 607 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:04,000 这对玩家来说是非常私人的 very personal to the player it's 608 00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:05,679 你知道他们是 something that you know they're 609 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,360 我们想让他们听到并知道这一点 we want them to hear and to know that 610 00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:09,120 它就在那里，所以我们把 it's there so that's kind of why we put 611 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:11,679 它通过扬声器控制器I it through the speaker controller i 612 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:13,120 想想什么是创造性的，为什么是这样 think what worked creatively and why it 613 00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:14,799 工作得很好 worked so well 614 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:16,480 是嗯 is um 615 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,960 你知道这背后的故事 you know kind of the the fiction behind 616 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,440 引导潮流的是，它有点 the guiding wind is that it it kind of 617 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,480 游戏中首先出现的是杜松子酒类 first appears in the game with gin kind 618 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,480 的 of 619 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,440 问他父亲的灵魂他如何 asking the spirit of his father how he 620 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,799 能找到他叔叔然后这风 can find his uncle um and then this wind 621 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:33,360 这样可以帮助区分它 blows and so um to help differentiate it 622 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:35,600 从环保的风啊 from the environmental wind uh 623 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:38,400 Josh Lord是我们的高级音效设计师 josh lord our senior sound designer and 624 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,960 我自己去了霸凌室，然后 myself went down into our bully room and 625 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,799 我有我有一个巨大的 i got i i have an immense 626 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,799 长笛和哨子收藏，因为我 flute and whistle collection because i 627 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:47,279 有虐待狂朋友总是买我的钱吗 have sadistic friends that always buy me 628 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:50,320 笛子和哨子，所以我们去 flutes and whistles so we went down to 629 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:52,559 整个房间，我们录制了 the uh fully room and we recorded just 630 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,880 我每一场都吹得很糟糕 me blowing poorly through every single 631 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:58,000 一个是得到这些有趣的奇怪的东西 one just to get these interesting weird 632 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:00,000 调性元素的风而种 tonal elements of of wind but kind of 633 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,720 有一点人类的声音 having a little bit of a human sound to 634 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,240 它和乔什带走了所有那些又好又好 it and josh took all those and and kind 635 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:08,720 创造了那种标志性的 of created that very iconic kind of 636 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,039 调性元素使得 tonal uh element that that makes the 637 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,360 引导风的感觉和声音独特 guiding wind feel and sound unique 638 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,679 然后是导演的剪辑 and then i think for the director's cut 639 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:18,559 在playstation 5上的最后一件事 on the playstation 5 the last thing that 640 00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:20,159 我们添加了真正增加了很多的是我们 we added which really adds a ton is we 641 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,080 有定位音吗 had the positional sound we had the 642 00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:25,840 声音在控制器扬声器，然后 sound in the controller speaker and then 643 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:27,840 对于ps5，我们添加了位置触觉 for the ps5 we added a positional haptic 644 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,440 这样你就能感觉到风了 so you can actually feel the wind 645 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,520 在控制器中行进 traveling through the controller in the 646 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,440 你应该去的方向 direction that you're supposed to go 647 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,360 嗯很有趣 huh interesting 648 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,000 这是游戏中另一个有用的东西 so another thing in the game that helps 649 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:39,440 指引你走向事物的是那只金色的鸟 guide you to things is that golden bird 650 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,360 你知道，它有这样一个 which you know and it has such a 651 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,720 独特的声音，所以一旦你听到 distinctive sound so as soon as you hear 652 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,320 你知道你在四处寻找 that you know you're looking around for 653 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,640 看看它会把你带向何方 it to see where it's going to lead you 654 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,640 我只是好奇你知道的是 to i'm just curious you know is that 655 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,400 原产于日本的鸟，你从哪里得到的 bird native to japan where did you get 656 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,679 你的鸟类录音 your bird recordings 657 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,039 嗯,所以 um so 658 00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:54,960 这是 that that's 659 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:57,520 这个故事很有趣，因为这是 it's a funny story because this is 660 00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:01,120 实际上，一个例子 actually uh an example of 661 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:03,360 声音驱动内容所以我实际上 sound driving content um so i actually 662 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,240 在斯里兰卡录下了这只鸟 recorded that bird in sri lanka 663 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,840 嗯 um 664 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,240 这是。 and it's a 665 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,240 一只黑颈黄鹂，真漂亮 a black nape oriole it's this beautiful 666 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,039 黄色的鸟有一点你知道的黑色 yellow bird with a little you know black 667 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,159 脖子 neck 668 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,840 我当时在斯里兰卡，我就去了 and um so i was in sri lanka and i'd set 669 00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:17,200 拿起我的麦克风录下这个 up my my mics just recording this 670 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,279 美丽的丛林 beautiful jungle 671 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,159 当我再听的时候，我 and when i was listening back to it i 672 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:24,480 听到那只鸟的叫声，它真的 heard that bird and it was really 673 00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:26,720 这美妙的标志性声音 just this beautiful iconic sound and it 674 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,559 被隔离得很好，所以我可以 was well isolated so i could actually 675 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,520 把它从录音中提取出来 extract it from the recording 676 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:31,279 和 and 677 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,559 当我们开始谈论 when we were starting to talk about the 678 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:35,520 引导鸟和它应该是什么 guidebird and what it should actually be 679 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:37,520 嗯 um 680 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,120 显然，我们想让它看起来更有视觉效果 we obviously wanted it to be visually 681 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,200 有趣的是，玩家可以看到 interesting so that the player could see 682 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,360 它知道这是一只特别的鸟，我 it know oh this is a special bird that i 683 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,840 需要跟随 need to follow 684 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,720 对我来说，这也很重要 and to me it was also important we have 685 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,640 来 to 686 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,600 找点我们能找的东西 you know get something where we can 687 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,640 实际上 actually 688 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,760 有对应的读音吗 have sounds for it so we identified i 689 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,679 想 think like 690 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:59,279 六只不同的鸟 six different birds that were visually 691 00:25:55,679 --> 00:26:00,799 有趣的是在日本也有 interesting that do appear in japan 692 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,039 其中之一就是黑小睡 and one of those was the black naped 693 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:05,360 所以我非常努力地游说 orioles so i i lobbied really hard of 694 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:07,440 我们可以用这只鸟吗 like can we just please use this bird 695 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:10,240 因为我有一些很棒的声音 because i've got some great sounds for 696 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,720 它很独特，很突出 it it's very like unique and stands out 697 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,600 反对你所知的繁茂 against you know the the lush 698 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,600 大多是绿色的景观，甚至是 mostly green landscape or even the the 699 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,559 雪景，我们在 snowy landscapes uh that we had in 700 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,919 Sushima，幸运的是 sushima so uh fortunately that one and 701 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:23,200 这就是这就是我们最后的结局 that's that's kind of how we ended up 702 00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:25,760 和那只鸟 with that bird 703 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,080 有趣，另一只鸟在叫 interesting and the other bird sounds 704 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,799 另一只鸟听起来 the other bird sounds uh 705 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,799 大部分都是在日本录制的 most of them were recorded in japan um 706 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:34,480 就像我之前提到的，我们有一些 like i mentioned before we had some 707 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:36,640 日本工作室帮了我们很多 japan studio help us out with a lot of 708 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,200 ,嗯 that um 709 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,279 在前期制作阶段，我们有一个 early on in pre-production we had a 710 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,840 小团队旅行 small team travel to 711 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,840 到日本，包括对马岛等等 to japan including tsushima and so i 712 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,880 给我们的动画一个录音机 gave a recorder to our animation 713 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,880 比利局长和我都没想到 director billy and i wasn't expecting 714 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,480 他没有得到任何有用的东西，但是 him to get anything useful but 715 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,679 令人惊讶的是，他做到了 surprisingly he did 716 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:58,559 然后我设法去了日本 uh and then i managed to go to japan for 717 00:26:55,679 --> 00:26:59,799 圣诞节和新年前后的10天 10 days around christmas and new year's 718 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,840 在 in 719 00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:04,720 我想是2017年 2017 i think 720 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,760 基本上就是策划了一场旋风 and just basically planned a whirlwind 721 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:10,080 旅行只是去地方和记录 trip to just go to places and record 722 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,679 特定的物种，所以你知道 specific species so you know going to 723 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,440 北海道，这样我们可以得到红色 hokkaido so that we can get the red 724 00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:15,279 鹤冠，因为他们要 crane crowns because they're going to be 725 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,000 在游戏中，我们需要那种声音 in the game and we need that sound it's 726 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:21,360 非常有代表性的大天鹅 very iconic and getting whooper swans 727 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,039 还有我们结束的那些猴子 and getting um the monkeys that we ended 728 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:25,120 在宜家岛上度过的 up having on ikea island for for the 729 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:27,919 导演剪辑，所以这是 director's cut so it was it was an 730 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:30,080 去日本旅游真是太棒了 amazing experience to get to visit japan 731 00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:32,159 我只是想亲临现场听一听，但是 and just to be there and hear it but 732 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,000 那是那是大部分 that was that was where most of the 733 00:27:32,159 --> 00:27:36,000 野生动物是怎么来的 wildlife came from and then i guess 734 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,919 有几只鸟 there were a handful of birds 735 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,880 他们要求特定的物种 where they asked for specific species 736 00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:44,080 我们没有，所以我实际上 that we did not have and so i actually 737 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:47,520 我通过倾听创造了这些声音 created those with my voice by listening 738 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:50,240 得到的样本 to samples actually getting samples of 739 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:53,440 一些鸟把他们拖慢了，就像 some birds slowing them way down like 740 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,679 三个八度，然后演奏出来 three octaves and then performing those 741 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,270 放慢版本，然后加速 slowed down versions and then speeding 742 00:27:55,679 --> 00:28:01,339 打开我的录音 up my recordings of them 743 00:27:58,270 --> 00:28:01,339 (音乐) [Music] 744 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,360 他们他们已经足够好了 they were they were good enough for the 745 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,960 他们骗不了我 game uh they wouldn't fool an 746 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,840 鸟类学家,但 ornithologist but 747 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,679 呃 uh 748 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,360 似乎没有人注意到 nobody seemed to have noticed 749 00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:26,480 有趣的 interesting 750 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:28,480 游戏中的马是这样的 um so the horse in the game sort of this 751 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,720 我找到了你的忠实伴侣 your constant companion i found you know 752 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,640 当我玩这个游戏的时候，你知道的 as i played the game you know developed 753 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,520 对我的马的情感依恋 this emotional attachment to my horse 754 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,760 你知道的是我的同伴 you know is my companion um 755 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,480 它可能不是 and it's probably not a 756 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:43,039 巧合的是，感觉就像 coincidence that it feels like a 757 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,880 性格能让你多跟你说话 character can you talk more to uh you 758 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:47,440 知道马的声音是怎么来的吗 know how how the sound of the horse came 759 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,120 在一起，是的，我的意思是我会，我会通过的 together yeah i mean i'll i'm gonna pass 760 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,360 这个马上交给亚当，因为 this off to adam in a minute because 761 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,279 我说的太多了，除了马 i've been talking too much but the horse 762 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,440 对我来说真的很有趣 to me is really interesting 763 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:57,520 嗯,因为 uh because 764 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:01,039 几乎每一种声音都能触动它 it was touched by almost every sound 765 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:03,039 这个项目的设计师，我也 designer on the project um and it also i 766 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:04,720 我觉得这听起来很棒 think it sounds great and 767 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,320 你知道吗，我觉得部分原因是 you know i think part of that is just 768 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,159 我们工作的过程和方式 the process and the way that we work you 769 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,679 懂得什么才是真正珍贵的 know nothing is really precious to 770 00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:11,679 我们都想让他变得伟大 anybody we all just want to make great 771 00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:14,240 所以我们 stuff and so we 772 00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:16,159 我们从我找到一个天生的开始 we started with i found a natural 773 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,520 马术中心 horsemanship center uh 774 00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:21,200 就在西雅图附近，原因是 up here near seattle and the reason that 775 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,600 我选择这个地方是因为 i chose this place was because it was 776 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,080 远离交通，他们没有 far away from traffic um they didn't 777 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,640 射杀他们的马，这样我们就 shoot their horses so we're you know 778 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,559 要让马在自然表面上运动 going to get horse on natural surfaces 779 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,640 你知道我们做了什么吗 which was very much you know what we 780 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,880 我们想要这场游戏发生吗 were wanting for this game taking place 781 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,440 在封建的日本 in in feudal japan 782 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,840 所以我们在很多 so we recorded that horse on lots of uh 783 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,919 很多表面，然后我录制 lots of surfaces and then i recorded 784 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,720 里面有一些新娘和大头钉之类的东西 some bridal and tack and stuff from in 785 00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:46,880 这家伙的马鞍 saddles from this uh guy 786 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,480 然后我们最后和 um and then we ended up working with 787 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:52,720 索尼在圣地亚哥的playstation工作室 sony uh playstation studio in san diego 788 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,640 他们还录了很多 and they recorded a bunch more um 789 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,640 马鞍和缰绳，乔什拿走了 saddles and bridles and josh took that 790 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,640 然后他开始在马身上工作 and then he started working on the horse 791 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,240 然后我们把它扔给了亚当的团队 and then we threw it over to adam's team 792 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,000 就像我说的，我认为 and like i said i think 793 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,240 那里的大多数声音设计师都辞职了 most of the sound designers there ended 794 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,320 我正在做，所以我不想让你 up working on it so i don't want you to 795 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,399 把它拿走，然后谈谈 take it away and talk about 796 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,720 你们做了那么多了不起的工作 all the great work you guys did 797 00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:13,039 是的，所以我想说as yeah so um yeah i was going to say as 798 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,520 这是一个非常合作的努力 well it was a very collaborative effort 799 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:18,480 马我想当我们当我第一次 the horse i think when we when i first 800 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,360 来做我们布拉德要做的项目 came on the project we brad came down to 801 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,919 嗯 um 802 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,760 我们在圣马特奥的工作室 to our studio here in in san mateo and 803 00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:25,279 我们玩了整个游戏 uh we kind of played through the game 804 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,279 并确认这匹马是其中一匹 and identified the horse as one of the 805 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:30,559 主角们显然会 main characters is obviously going to 806 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:33,200 花很多时间和马在一起 spend a lot of time with the horse um 807 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,000 我最喜欢的一件事就是 and one of the one of the great things i 808 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,120 的意思是 mean 809 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,120 我加入这个项目大概有一年了 i came on the project probably a year or 810 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,080 所以在游戏发行之前 so before the game shipped and there was 811 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,080 已经 already 812 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,840 游戏看起来已经很不错了 the game it already looked 813 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,760 听起来很不错 and sounded pretty good 814 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,240 嗯，那里已经有东西了，比如 um so there was already stuff there like 815 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,840 布拉德说他录了一匹马，然后他们 brad said he recorded a horse and they 816 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,080 有这么多内容，所以这只是一个案例 had all this content so it's just a case 817 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,360 打磨的过程 of polishing it really 818 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,360 我们只是 we just 819 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,600 你知道，我想花钱 wanted to you know spend 820 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:03,960 花点时间 uh spend some time 821 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,960 让它听起来尽可能的好 making it sound as good as possible 822 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,799 我知道 i know 823 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,640 Rob castro，我们的声音设计师之一 rob castro one of our sound designers 824 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:16,559 练习呼吸和所有的 worked on the the breathing and all the 825 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,640 我想他花了几次 vocalizations i think he spent a couple 826 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:19,760 做了几个月 of months doing that 827 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,080 和 and 828 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,919 我研究了一堆脚步声 i worked on a bunch of footsteps 829 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,600 表面 surfaces 830 00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:27,440 很多甜味剂 lots of sweeteners 831 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,279 我想 um i think 832 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,519 Mike nederquel也是我们的声音之一 mike nederquel as well one of our sound 833 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:33,760 设计师们还设计了一些步骤 designers also worked on some footstep 834 00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:35,200 还有一些呼吸的东西 stuff and some breathing stuff so 835 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,200 嗯，是的，很多人都在 uh yeah a lot of people worked on the 836 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,120 马嗯 horse um 837 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,559 是的，只是这是真的是真的 yeah and it's just it was a is a really 838 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,320 重要的角色，我认为我们 important character and i think we 839 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:45,200 想要花费 wanted to spend 840 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,919 花了不少时间才弄好 a decent amount of time getting it right 841 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,840 我想我玩过 um i think i had played 842 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:51,840 另一个游戏 another game 843 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,399 最近在我工作的时候 uh kind of recently while i was working 844 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,919 虽然我不太喜欢 on it which i wasn't too keen on the 845 00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:57,840 马的声音很新鲜 horse sound so it was kind of fresh in 846 00:31:55,919 --> 00:32:02,559 我的思想就像你知道我想要我 my mind is like you know i want to i 847 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:05,039 想让这匹马听起来好听点 want to make this horse sound good um 848 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:07,360 你知道的，所以我们只是我们只是花了 you know so yeah we just we just spent a 849 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,039 花了很多时间清理它 bunch of time with it um cleaned up 850 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,440 布拉德的录音已经响起 brad's recordings which already sounded 851 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,480 很好，刚刚润色了一下 great and just uh yeah just polished it 852 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,000 真的 really 853 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,440 显然我只是想回到 uh apparently i just want to get back to 854 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,039 从系统的角度来看 you for a bit in terms of systems 855 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,240 因为它出现在 because it's come up you know in the 856 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:20,240 背景就像，哦，有一个 background it's like oh there was a 857 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,480 这个系统对应这个系统 system for that system for this it's 858 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,480 这么大的世界，你来了吗 such a huge world uh did you come up 859 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,720 用任何系统来处理 with any systems uh for dealing with 860 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,600 混响和第一反射什么的 reverb and first reflections or anything 861 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,360 这样可以节省时间，因为我 like that to help save time because i 862 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,360 想象一下，这可能是a imagine that could have been you know a 863 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,760 一个人的全职工作 full-time job for somebody for quite a 864 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,919 然而，嗯，是的，这是一个 while uh yeah and it kind of was for a 865 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,399 有一点，我们实现了 little bit um yeah we implemented our 866 00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:43,600 自己定制的 own bespoke uh 867 00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:46,399 闭塞性阻塞的合并 amalgamation of occlusion obstruction 868 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,919 呃，也是一种早期的简化 uh as well as a kind of simplified early 869 00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:48,880 反射系统 reflection system 870 00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:51,840 呃 uh 871 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,480 谢天谢地，我们有一个延迟插件 thankfully we had a delay plug-in that 872 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,440 来自pg - pd - sound还是是的 came from pg pd sound or was it yeah it 873 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,720 来自 came from 874 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,399 索尼欧洲CSG，是的，它来自 sony europe csg yeah so it came from 875 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,399 来自一个伙伴 from a partnered 876 00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:06,720 索尼的团队让我们能够 team over in sony which enabled us to 877 00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:08,080 通过提供一些信息来提供 provide by providing some information in 878 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,039 游戏如 the game such as 879 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,200 某些面在基数上有多远 how far are certain surfaces in cardinal 880 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:14,240 相对于玩家的方向 directions relative to the player 881 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,799 呃 uh 882 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,039 我们可以延迟整个声音和播放 we could delay entire sounds and play 883 00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,960 他们就像一个基本上一个非常 them back as like a basically a very 884 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:22,000 早期便宜相对较早便宜 cheap early well relatively early cheap 885 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,240 有点像 and kind of 886 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,760 简化了早期的反思然后我们的 simplified early reflection and then our 887 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,120 阻塞阻塞系统 obstruction occlusion system that was 888 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,799 一些我们 something that we 889 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,760 我们最终探索了几个不同的 we ended up exploring a couple different 890 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,799 选项 options 891 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,320 但它完全是内部的 uh but it was entirely uh internal in 892 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:38,880 根据我们提出的条件，我们结束了 terms of what we came up with we ended 893 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:40,159 继续使用简化的光线投射 up going with simplified raycasts that 894 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,919 只是饲料 just feed 895 00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:44,000 一些信息是基于 some sort of some information based on 896 00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:46,320 它们击中的物质和距离 the material that they hit and distance 897 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,000 再给音响系统加点逻辑 and a bit more logic to the sound system 898 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,080 然后布拉德可以稍微调整一下 and then brad was able to kind of tweak 899 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,080 相应的参数 parameters accordingly 900 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,760 但这是任何一种 but that the the thing with any sort of 901 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,279 这样的系统，因为它有点 system like that because it is kind of 902 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,039 当你不这样做的时候，就会变得很复杂 inherently complicated when you don't 903 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,679 真的有。 really have um 904 00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,279 任何形式的正式结构 any sort of formal structure to it uh it 905 00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:03,519 实际上这需要很多次迭代 took a lot of iteration it took actually 906 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:05,679 相当长的一段时间，比如 a decent amount of time like um 907 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:09,520 不一定是全职，但是 not necessarily full time but 908 00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:11,679 大概花了18个星期 it probably took about 18 weeks 909 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,040 真正深入研究我们最后 to really hone in on what we finally 910 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,960 以船运结束 ended up shipping 911 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,480 还有一些你知道的小的 and there were still you know small 912 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,079 这里和那里的调整 tweaks here and there 913 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,200 需要考虑的完美因素 perfect considerations to take into 914 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:20,480 账户 account 915 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,560 和 and and 916 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,119 以及需要的各种调整 and kind of various tuning that needed 917 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,960 继续，呃，持续 to go on uh continuously 918 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,800 嗯，那些是那些是那种 um so those are the those are the kind 919 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,960 我们看了两件事 of two things that we looked at on the 920 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,079 混响边我们不太喜欢 reverb side we we don't really do too 921 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,000 从技术上讲，我们基本上 much uh technologically uh we mostly 922 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:38,480 想想什么是合适的 just figure out what is the appropriate 923 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,320 混响播放任何给定的声音和 reverb to play for any given sound and 924 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,359 然后我们设置它，然后我相信 then we set that and then i believe the 925 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,200 休息是由声音引擎处理的 rest is taken care of in sound engine 926 00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:47,359 那么你怎么算出 and so how are you figuring out what the 927 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,200 适当的混响是哦，很好 appropriate reverb is oh that's a good 928 00:34:47,359 --> 00:34:51,040 问题是，嗯，大概有两个 question so uh there's kind of like two 929 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,040 图层，首先是 layers to it uh first of all with the 930 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,960 环境声音管理器 ambient sound manager we'd actually 931 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,320 建立生物群落的概念 establish this concept of biomes that 932 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,240 是 are 933 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,720 与声音生物群落的内在联系不是 inherently tied to sound biomes not 934 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:03,280 必然是环境生物群系 necessarily the environmental biomes and 935 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:05,520 所以根据你所在的声音生物群 so based on which sound biome you're in 936 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,599 你得到了什么样的混响 uh you derive what sort of reverb 937 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,680 通常你会用 generally you would you would use 938 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:11,760 但是你知道这个案子 um however you know this case is where 939 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,359 比如，你想让设计师 like uh you want the designer to 940 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,400 重写或者能够重写 override or be able to override that 941 00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:18,000 混响值，在那种情况下 reverb value and so in that case uh the 942 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,920 声音设计师有能力 sound designer has the ability to just 943 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,280 插入一个音量，然后说好 stick in a volume and say okay the 944 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,040 这里的环境是这个 environment here is going to be this 945 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,000 特定的混响 particular reverb 946 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,000 我们在很多地方都用到了 and so we use that a lot of places 947 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,160 我们有室内设计 where we had interiors 948 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,760 还有在两者之间的过渡 and also the transition in between um 949 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,839 从外面到里面 coming you know from the outside to the 950 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,839 里面，因为你你想要那种 inside uh because you you want that kind 951 00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:36,800 具有过渡效应 of transitional effect 952 00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:39,520 所以 and so 953 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,480 这是一种程序的混合 it's kind of this mixture of procedural 954 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,119 呃 uh 955 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,480 加上这幅地图的画 plus painting of this map which was the 956 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:47,119 良好的生物群落 sound biomes 957 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,240 然后由 and then bespoke markup done by 958 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:49,440 个人声音设计师和 individual sound designers and 959 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:51,040 实现者 implementers 960 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,839 只是为了得到正确的效果 just to get the right effect 961 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,599 嗯 um 962 00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:55,839 程序到你知道的执行 the the procedure to you know implement 963 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:58,160 作为一个单独的体积是相当快的 as an individual volume was fairly quick 964 00:35:55,839 --> 00:36:00,320 很简单，但考虑到规模 and easy but given the scale of the 965 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,160 你提到的世界太大了 world as you mentioned it's so big it 966 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,760 我去了吗 did take the 967 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,920 这是我们反复做的事情 it was something that we did iteratively 968 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,760 在整个项目过程中 over the course of the project 969 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,160 我们既存状况的一个好处 the one benefit of our pre-existing 970 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,480 科技就是这样 technology is that a lot of that 971 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,760 基线技术就在那里 baseline tech was there so that 972 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,760 信息是我们可以获取的东西 information was something we could take 973 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,960 贯穿整个过程的优势 advantage of throughout the course of 974 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,760 这个项目 the project 975 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,720 嗯，我们把战斗的声音掩盖起来了 uh so we covered combat sounds a bit in 976 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,680 你的前期制作，但我很好奇 your pre-production but i'm curious 977 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,440 你知道 you know 978 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,520 在最终产品中 in the end product 979 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,200 你最后得到了什么，你知道的 uh what you ended up with and you know 980 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,599 你是如何到达那里的 how you got there 981 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,079 从一开始，什么什么 from uh from the beginning and what what 982 00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:35,680 一路上你学得和我一样好 you learned along the way yeah well as i 983 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:38,800 提到哦 mentioned uh 984 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,400 你知道我们我们开始被禁足了 you know we we started super grounded um 985 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,040 我们一开始有很多 and and we started with a lot of 986 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:46,400 首先要做的是研究 research and so one of the first things 987 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:48,160 我们所做的是 that we did is we went there's actually 988 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,160 在贝尔维尤，吸盘拳在那里 in in bellevue where sucker punch is 989 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,440 实际上是一个日本人 located there's actually a japanese 990 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,079 居合道学校 iaido school 991 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,320 井合道是日本的剑术 iaido is is japanese swordsmanship and 992 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:58,720 所以我们找到了这个ido学校 so we found this ido school 993 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,920 我和我们的动画导演 and so myself and our animation director 994 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:04,079 去旁听一节课，结果 went uh to observe a class and it was 995 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,200 很好看，因为有 really neat to watch because there were 996 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:09,359 教授学生的大师 the masters teaching students 997 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,560 当学生们挥动他们的 and when the students would swing their 998 00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:12,800 武士刀 katana 999 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,880 它发出了很大的噪音，当 it made a lot of noise and when the 1000 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,040 大师们挥舞着武士刀 masters swung their katanas they were 1001 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,119 几乎无声 virtually silent 1002 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,040 很明显我们在做 and obviously we're making 1003 00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:23,599 我们不打算关注娱乐 entertainment we're not going to follow 1004 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,400 现实在这种情况下使每个人 reality in that case and make everybody 1005 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:29,200 他们打架的时候沉默 silent when they're fighting um 1006 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,520 所以你知道这是从我们开始的 so you know it started with we we 1007 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:34,400 我有一把武士刀和一把 um i actually got a katana and a 1008 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,400 Wakazashi为自己做了部分 wakazashi made for myself partially for 1009 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,079 有趣，部分是因为我知道我们 fun and partially because i knew that we 1010 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:42,640 我们需要一些道具吗 were going to need some props for that 1011 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,160 乔希的剑是空的 josh had a sword blank 1012 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,480 我们实际上 we actually 1013 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,320 跟我们的合伙人谈过了 talked to our partners down at 1014 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,720 在圣地亚哥的Playstation上，他们发了 playstation in san diego and they sent 1015 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,920 我们有一堆剑空弹 us a whole bunch of sword blanks 1016 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:55,839 他们用过的战神 from god of war that they had used um 1017 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,160 然后我们就开始了 and so then we just started you know 1018 00:37:55,839 --> 00:38:00,640 记录大量的信息来源 recording tons and tons of source 1019 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,320 有些最后被用来 um some of it ended up being used for 1020 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,560 战斗，其中一些最终被使用 combat some of it ended up being used 1021 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,359 对于UI来说 for the ui um 1022 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,200 但是，嗯，是的，它就像所有的东西 but uh but yeah so it like everything 1023 00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:12,079 否则就是这样 else it was this 1024 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,680 非常长的迭代过程 very long iterative process where we 1025 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:16,240 从某件事开始，但事实并非如此 started with something and it wasn't 1026 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,800 很好，我们在此基础上继续努力 good and we built on it and we kept 1027 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:20,640 不断迭代并完善它 iterating on it and kept polishing it 1028 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,560 这是另一件被通过的事情 and it was another thing that got passed 1029 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,839 有很多不同的设计师 around to a lot of different designers a 1030 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,960 很多人都在做不同的工作 lot of people worked on different 1031 00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:27,119 组件 components 1032 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,960 我想是mike niederquell和andres um i think mike niederquell and andres 1033 00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:31,520 Herrera是两个做了大部分工作的人 herrera were the two who did the bulk of 1034 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,680 擦亮的工作，但我知道 the polish work but i know 1035 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,560 亚当做了一些事，乔什也做了一些 adam did some stuff and josh did some 1036 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:39,440 是的，确实是这样 stuff and um yeah it was definitely 1037 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,760 另一件事是 another thing that was was very kind of 1038 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,320 被很多人感动 touched by a lot of people 1039 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,160 你知道肯定有和我们一样 you know there was definitely as as we 1040 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,400 我们不仅在进行迭代吗 were iterating not only were we working 1041 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,599 声音设计，还有 on the sound design but then also 1042 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,520 试图 trying to 1043 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,599 你知道，清理一下混音，因为 you know clean up the mix because there 1044 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,440 是不是有些战斗很疯狂 were some battles that were crazy and 1045 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:57,280 你周围的人都在打架 just people all around you fighting and 1046 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,280 所以我们做了一些 so we were doing some 1047 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,119 就像你知道的平移和过滤 like you know panning and filtering 1048 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,960 基于方位角，所以你真的 based on the azimuth so you're really 1049 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,920 只是听到你面前的事，但是 just hearing what's in front of you but 1050 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,760 然后apoorva集成了一个额外的 then apoorva integrated an additional 1051 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,119 我们称之为攻击的特征 feature for us that we call the attack 1052 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:14,240 优先级，所以每个每个 priority and so each each uh 1053 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:15,839 武器或敌人具有攻击优先权 weapon or enemy had an attack priority 1054 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:19,200 我认为确实如此 and i think it was 1055 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:21,200 如果是0，他们就没有进攻 if it was zero they're not attacking 1056 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,760 任何人，他们没有针对任何人 anybody they're not targeting anybody if 1057 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,200 这是他们正在攻击或瞄准的目标 it's one they're attacking or targeting 1058 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,359 一个不是玩家的人 somebody that's not the player and if 1059 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,440 他们的目标是玩家 it's two they're targeting the player 1060 00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:31,520 所以我们可以用它来 and so we were able to use that to also 1061 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,119 进一步调整，这样你就知道了 further tune things so that you know if 1062 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,119 有人在练习射击 somebody's just practicing shooting a 1063 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,800 弓和箭会更安静 bow and arrow it's going to be quieter 1064 00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,200 甚至可能有一个不同的 or even potentially have a different 1065 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,079 比他们进攻时的声音要大 sound than if they're attacking in 1066 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,320 战斗，更不用说攻击玩家了 combat let alone attacking the player um 1067 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:46,320 所有这些事情也真的 and so all of those things also really 1068 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,079 帮助我们加入战斗 helped us kind of dial in combat and 1069 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,200 让它听起来 make it sound 1070 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:52,720 还不错，我觉得也许也许 decent and i think it was maybe maybe 1071 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,480 我觉得更重要的是 uh even more important for i think 1072 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,800 传说模式，因为有 legends mode because there's 1073 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,160 就像传说模式把它带到下一个 like legends mode takes it to the next 1074 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,920 水平的时候就会有 level when there's like the number of 1075 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,160 攻击你的敌人 enemies that are attacking you 1076 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:04,160 我们总是想确保 and uh we always want to make sure the 1077 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,599 玩家被告知方向 player is informed of directionally 1078 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,920 攻击从哪里来，所以他们 where is the attack coming from so they 1079 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,599 知道该关注谁，因为谁 know who to focus on and because of the 1080 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,760 那是一场混乱的战斗 chaos of that the combat that is in 1081 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:13,920 传说模式有这种 legends mode um having this kind of 1082 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,000 方向优先级或有一些a directional priority or having some a 1083 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,480 表面上的攻击优先级给出 semblance of an attack priority gives 1084 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,880 玩家的口型有点像a the player a bit more of a a like oral 1085 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,880 该去哪里的提示 cue of where to go 1086 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,880 所以我想这就是我 um and so i think that was mostly where 1087 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,640 我看到了，或者我个人觉得很有用 i saw it or i found it personally useful 1088 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,240 当我在玩游戏的时候 when i was playing the game yeah and 1089 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,520 实际上，图例模式中的另一件事 actually the other thing in legends mode 1090 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:33,440 与战斗相关的是剑 related to combat is the swords the 1091 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,560 战斗声音是完全不同的 combat sounds are totally different as 1092 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,200 就像 well like 1093 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,359 当我们把事情做得很扎实时 while we kept things really grounded in 1094 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,520 游戏主要为传奇模式的我们 the main game for legends mode we we 1095 00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:42,319 基本上就是完全越过了 basically just went completely over the 1096 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,640 前 top 1097 00:40:42,319 --> 00:40:47,119 你知道所有的挥剑都是 um you know all the sword swings are 1098 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,839 超级调性，还有很多 super tonal and there's a lot more 1099 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:51,920 分层，然后根据稀有性 layers and then depending on the rarity 1100 00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:53,280 你的武器，我们添加更多的层 of your weapon we add even more layers 1101 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,160 让它越来越多 and just make it more and more over the 1102 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,720 所以我们肯定是如果 top so we were definitely if if 1103 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:01,680 单人游戏中的战斗是 combat uh in the single player game was 1104 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:03,520 更像是13个刺客非常接地气 more like uh 13 assassins very grounded 1105 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,839 嗯，你知道 um you know the 1106 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,480 传说模式中的战斗非常多 the combat in in legends mode was much 1107 00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:10,480 更像是太夸张了 more like just the total over-the-top 1108 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,119 武侠片，我想我们 martial arts films and i think we 1109 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:17,040 实际上用了一个叫 actually used one called um 1110 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:19,520 呃崛起的传说是一种善良 uh rise of the legend as a a good kind 1111 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,480 我们想要的东西太多了 of bar for just how much we were wanting 1112 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:26,319 推动战斗的传奇模式很酷 to push combat in legends mode cool 1113 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,200 我们还没讲到的一个方面是vo um one area we haven't touched on is vo 1114 00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:29,440 嗯 um 1115 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,280 有没有有趣的挑战? any interesting challenges 1116 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,599 我特别想到了这个 with that came up with that especially 1117 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,599 在科维德时代是的，我是说 on during the age of kovid yeah i mean 1118 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:38,960 那是那只是另一个 that was that was just another one where 1119 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:40,800 我们面对着各国的高墙 we were up against the wall of countries 1120 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,200 在我们试图关闭的时候 shutting down as we were trying to 1121 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,280 记录我们所有的语言 record all of our languages 1122 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,000 所以这真的是真的 so it was it was really really 1123 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,640 对导演来说也是挑战 challenging um and even for directors 1124 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,400 你知道有一些人 cut you know there was some people were 1125 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,640 舒适的录音室录音 comfortable recording in the studios 1126 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,599 其他人想要并且更喜欢记录 other people wanted and prefer to record 1127 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,599 在家里 at home 1128 00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,680 所以你知道 and so you know it just 1129 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:02,319 向我们的对话团队致敬 really hats off to our dialogue team and 1130 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,079 我们的本地化团队因为你 our localization team because um you 1131 00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:06,319 我知道我玩过一些游戏，你可以 know i've played some games and you can 1132 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:08,880 真的告诉我哦，那一定是 really tell like oh that must have been 1133 00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:10,880 在家里录的那条线 recorded at home at that line 1134 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,680 是的，我想这并没有记录在 yeah i guess that wasn't recorded in the 1135 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,280 工作室，尽管有你 studio and even though there was you 1136 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,960 知道我们对话的大部分内容 know chunks of our dialogue that were 1137 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,040 在家录制 recorded at home 1138 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,800 我们的对话组刚刚做了一个 um our dialogue team just did such a 1139 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,000 很好地掌握了它 fantastic job with mastering it that 1140 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,520 这这真的很难分辨你是谁 it's it's really hard to tell so um you 1141 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,680 我知道他们他们一直都做得很好 know they they've always done a great 1142 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,119 乔布和我都很高兴 job and i'm really glad that we have 1143 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,000 这样我就不用处理所有的了 them so i don't have to deal with all 1144 00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:34,400 那些头痛是因为我 those headaches because i i 1145 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,920 我听说情况有多糟，但幸运的是我 i heard how bad it was but fortunately i 1146 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,520 我不需要亲身经历 didn't really have to experience it 1147 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,680 除了担心我们会不会 besides stressing out about if we were 1148 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,119 我们会把所有的资产及时送到 gonna get all of our assets in time to 1149 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,640 实际上我们的船期还是 actually make our ship dates or 1150 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,880 差不多就是这样 something like that 1151 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,760 很好，还有其他有趣的吗 great um so any other interesting 1152 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,160 我错过的故事或方面 stories or aspects that i missed 1153 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,160 我猜你知道其中一个 well i guess you know that one of the 1154 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,000 我们谈论疯狂的事情 crazy things we talk about 1155 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,440 在音乐方面有几件事 a couple things on the music side that i 1156 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,160 我觉得你对这个项目很感兴趣 think are really cool about this project 1157 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,680 是 are 1158 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,200 我想在项目结束的时候 i think at the end of the project we 1159 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,760 你录过八首歌吗 have recorded something like eight 1160 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:04,319 不同的尺八玩家 different shakuhachi players 1161 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,640 在这两场比赛的过程中 uh over the course of both games and all 1162 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:08,800 非常壮观，但我真的认为 of them spectacular but i really think 1163 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,560 你知道最后我们听到了你的声音 you know by the end we were hearing you 1164 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,400 认识最优秀的人 know the cream of the crop of of 1165 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,760 尺八玩家的天下哪是 shakuhachi players in the world which is 1166 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,040 这是一件很特别的事 just a really special thing to 1167 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,480 经验 experience 1168 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:21,119 嗯，等等 um and and on sort of 1169 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,480 Pl加上在the中的边 pl plus sides of being in the the 1170 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:25,599 梦寐以求的世界 coveted world 1171 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,359 选择传奇模式，不好意思不是 uh for uh legends mode or not sorry not 1172 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:29,200 传奇模式的导演剪辑，当我们 legends mode the director's cut when we 1173 00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:31,599 我们在做额外的录音吗 were doing the extra recording 1174 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,319 为了比赛的那一部分 uh for for that portion of the game 1175 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:37,760 有一个星期我相信已经结束了 um there was a week where i believe over 1176 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:39,040 我们记录的四天的过程 the course of four days we recorded in 1177 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,319 中国。 china 1178 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:44,000 日本，洛杉矶和纳什维尔 japan los angeles and nashville 1179 00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:46,400 这是我们永远不会拥有的 which is something we never would have 1180 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,079 能在covid之前做到这一点是因为我们 been able to do before covid because we 1181 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,560 会派人去录每段录音吗 would have sent a team to each recording 1182 00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:52,800 会议之间有一两个星期的间隔 session had a week or two in between 1183 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,800 所以那是一种狂野 and uh so that was just kind of a wild 1184 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,000 就像你知道的那样 like whoa like you know this would have 1185 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,680 从未发生过 never happened 1186 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,599 如果不是因为covid和 if it weren't for for covid and the 1187 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,400 改进和有点虚拟 improvements and and sort of virtual 1188 00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:04,720 出席录音会议等 attendance to recording sessions so 1189 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,960 嗯，就是那种狂野的东西 um just kind of kind of wild stuff that 1190 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:09,760 发生在音乐方面是的，我是说我 happened on the music side yeah i mean i 1191 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,280 我觉得有有很多故事 think there's there's so many stories 1192 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,040 我们可以我们可以分享 that we could we could share that would 1193 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,440 可能还要再花几个小时 probably take up another couple hours of 1194 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,800 就像我们愉快的录音一样 just like fun recording sessions we had 1195 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,319 还有我们以前用过的一些可笑的道具 and um just ridiculous props we used to 1196 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,240 发出声音之类的 make sounds and all those kinds of 1197 00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:25,359 的事情 things 1198 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:28,480 触觉学真的很有趣 haptics was that was a really fun 1199 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:30,160 这对我们来说是个有趣的挑战 and interesting challenge for us uh you 1200 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,000 知道我们什么时候进入导演剪辑 know when we moved to the director's cut 1201 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,319 转到ps5 moving to ps5 1202 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,240 显然我们想做触觉，我 obviously we wanted to do haptics and i 1203 00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:37,760 想想我们想要做的事情 think the scope of what we wanted to do 1204 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,680 改变 changed as 1205 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,079 我认为会有更多游戏问世 more games came out you know i think 1206 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:45,599 很明显，机器人刚出来的时候是善良的 obviously astrobot when it came out kind 1207 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:48,079 设定了触觉的标准 of set the bar of of what haptics can be 1208 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:51,200 然后当《归来》出来的时候 and then when returnal came out you know 1209 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:53,599 这又一次证明了 again that just kind of demonstrated how 1210 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,599 对我们来说，伟大的触觉可以是和的 great haptics can be and and for us we 1211 00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:57,119 我们是在移植这款ps4游戏吗 were essentially porting this ps4 game 1212 00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,240 到ps5。 to ps5 so 1213 00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,319 我们没有 we weren't 1214 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:02,079 考虑做任何事 considering doing everything with 1215 00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:04,319 触觉你知道我们不是巨人 haptics you know we were not a giant 1216 00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:06,400 团队，团队重新制作 team the the team for remaster for the 1217 00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:08,640 导演的删减比 director's cut was smaller than than 1218 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,640 这是什么鬼在音频上 what it was for for ghost on the audio 1219 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,040 所以一开始我们要 side so initially we were just going to 1220 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,640 试图达到平等，但实际上 kind of try to reach parity but actually 1221 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,800 你知道，在设计我们的 you know be mindful about designing our 1222 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,319 触觉嗯 haptics um 1223 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,359 这很快就变得明显了 and then that quickly became apparent 1224 00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:22,240 就像没有 like no 1225 00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:25,040 实际上我们真的需要投入 we actually we really need to devote as 1226 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:26,800 尽可能多地挤出时间 much time as we can and make 1227 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,000 你知道，世界从此变得鲜活起来 you know the world come alive through 1228 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,880 控制器和直通 the controller and through through 1229 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,280 触觉设计所以触觉设计本身就是 haptic design so haptic design itself is 1230 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,200 真的很吸引人，你知道吗 is really fascinating and you know i'd 1231 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,280 我也喜欢加他们来评论 like to add them to comment on it too 1232 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,359 因为这有点像 because it's kind of like a 1233 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,079 独特的声音设计，对吧 unique form of sound design right it's 1234 00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:45,760 它的频率非常小 it's this kind of very small frequency 1235 00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:47,760 波段从50赫兹到500赫兹 bands from like 50 hertz to 500 hertz 1236 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,920 这些波形 and really kind of the waveforms that 1237 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,400 你使用和如何设计 you use and how you design 1238 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,640 这真的会影响这个控制器 just really affects how this controller 1239 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,640 感觉和你知道你有两个 feels and you know you've got two 1240 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,240 扬声器，这样你就可以平移物体 speakers so you can you can pan things 1241 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:02,079 在扬声器周围移动它 to move it around the speaker and it's 1242 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:03,839 真的很有趣，但是 it's just really interesting but um 1243 00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:05,599 我认为让我们 one of the things that i think got us to 1244 00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:07,440 我们曾经是质量标杆我们曾经是 the quality bar that we were we were 1245 00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:09,200 真的在寻找 really searching for 1246 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,920 是嗯 was um 1247 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,480 你知道的不会太远 you know not too far 1248 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,400 在导演剪辑结束之前 before the end of director's cut 1249 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,480 嗯，你知道的 um you know we were 1250 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,319 我们之前只做定制 we'd previously just been doing bespoke 1251 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,400 我们的动画的触觉效果是好的 haptics for our cinematics like okay 1252 00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:24,160 我们就挑一些重要的时刻 let's just pick the like big moments and 1253 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,400 我们会对它们进行触觉处理 we'll do haptics for those 1254 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,119 还有我们的技术音效设计师rj and our technical sound designer rj 1255 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,280 马丁利，他就这么走了 mattingly he just went ahead and 1256 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:33,359 刚刚用 and just scored an entire scene with 1257 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,839 触觉，你知道，就像 haptics you know just like 1258 00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:37,440 就像我们有7.1流 like we have our 7.1 stream for the 1259 00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:39,680 整部电影他都在继续 entire cinematic he just went ahead and 1260 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,920 为触觉设计了立体流吗 did a stereo stream for haptics 1261 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,599 我觉得这真的很不错 and it was like yeah this is really good 1262 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,400 他说我没花多长时间 and he was like it didn't take me long 1263 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,839 这其实很容易做到 it was it's actually really easy to do 1264 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,119 所以apoorva so apoorva 1265 00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:52,000 基本上哦 uh basically 1266 00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:54,640 实施了一个系统 uh implemented a system so that along 1267 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,760 用我们的7.1流如果如果有 with our 7.1 stream if if there was a 1268 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,880 触觉流 haptic stream it would just 1269 00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,359 也会自动流式传输 automatically stream that as well um 1270 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,160 所以我们实际上可以用a and so we were actually able to use a 1271 00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:05,599 几个声音设计师从 couple of the sound designers from the 1272 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,480 返回团队 return team 1273 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:11,920 我们都跳了上去，然后 um and we all kind of just hopped on and 1274 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:14,319 拍了几场戏然后我们就结束了 did a few scenes and uh and we ended up 1275 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:17,520 得到每一个um getting every single um 1276 00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:20,079 过场动画是这样得分的，因为它的触感 cut scene scored that way uh for haptics 1277 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,319 所以那真的那真的很棒 so that was that was really great and 1278 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:24,800 是的，亚当，我很想听听你的 yeah adam i'd be curious to to hear your 1279 00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:27,839 关于触觉的想法，是的，触觉 thoughts on on haptics yeah haptic 1280 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,839 设计很有趣，因为 design is a funny one because 1281 00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:32,400 你不会经常得到 you don't often get 1282 00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:34,640 你不会经常设计声音 you don't often design sounds 1283 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,040 你最后不会听到的 uh that you don't end up hearing 1284 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,040 这有点疯狂，你能做到吗 which is kind of crazy so you can do 1285 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,040 你那种打破一切的东西 things that you that kind of break all 1286 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,800 规则就像我要 the rules in terms of like i'm going to 1287 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,319 把这个均衡器调高30分贝，比如100赫兹 boost this eq by 30 db at like 100 hertz 1288 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,000 这么疯狂的事，因为你 something crazy like that because you're 1289 00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:50,160 永远不会听到，但你知道你自己 never going to hear it but you know you 1290 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,160 你只是在喂它，所以你知道 just you're just feeding it so you know 1291 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:55,200 工作流程就是插入 the workflow would be to you know plug 1292 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,599 将控制器插入电脑 your controller into the computer 1293 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,960 和一个合成人乱搞，然后 um and just mess around with a synth and 1294 00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,640 你甚至都不用听 you don't even have to listen to it 1295 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,319 有时候你不听会更好 sometimes it's better if you don't hear 1296 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,880 你在做什么，因为你有 what you're doing because you have 1297 00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:07,119 先入为主的想法 preconceptions about like what what what 1298 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,400 听起来不错，但实际上你只是 sounds good but really you're just 1299 00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,960 当你设计触觉的时候 when you're designing haptics you just 1300 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,559 想知道什么感觉好，就沉默吧 want to see what feels good so just mute 1301 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,960 音频或把耳机拿出来 the audio or take the headphones out of 1302 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:18,559 控制器，随便摆弄一下 the controller and just play around with 1303 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:20,640 直到你感觉到什么 the synth until you feel something uh 1304 00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:22,559 那感觉很好，然后你 that feels good uh you know and then you 1305 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,960 再听一遍，你会觉得天哪 listen back to it you're like oh man 1306 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:26,800 听起来很可怕，但你知道这很有效 sounds terrible but you know it works it 1307 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,280 作为触觉效果很好，所以它是 works well as a haptic so yeah it's a 1308 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,880 这是一个非常有趣的过程 it's a really interesting process 1309 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,119 在你经历了这些之后 so after you went through there are 1310 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,760 有没有什么一般的经验法则 there any sort of general rules of thumb 1311 00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:37,920 你来这里是为了学习 that you came to to learn in terms of 1312 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,160 这个过程有助于加快速度 that process to help speed things up 1313 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,520 我的意思是，除了 well i mean apart from the fact that 1314 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,680 别别听，我想是因为 don't don't listen to it i think because 1315 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,119 是啊，真的，否则你 yeah really because otherwise you you're 1316 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,760 试着做一些听起来 trying to make something that sounds 1317 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:51,520 很酷，但不一定感觉 cool and uh it won't necessarily feel 1318 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,640 很好，但是我认为 good but i think 1319 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,680 嗯 um 1320 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,440 平移对触觉有很大帮助 panning helps a lot with haptics uh 1321 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,760 我们有控制器 we've got you know in the controller 1322 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,079 是音响，我不知道那是什么 it's a stereo i don't know what it is 1323 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,160 像振动一样 like a vibration 1324 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:06,400 控制器 controller 1325 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,720 当你拥有的时候感觉很好 and it feels good when you have 1326 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,880 使用立体图像的东西 something that uses that stereo image 1327 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:13,280 从左到右从右到左，或者你可以 left to right right to left or you can 1328 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,119 使用你知道的立体宽度插件和 use you know stereo width plugins and 1329 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,440 把这类事情自动化 automate that kind of stuff 1330 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,280 所以我认为任何一种自动化都是可行的 so any kind of automation i think works 1331 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,000 当有变化的时候真的很好 really nicely when there's like a change 1332 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,640 的 of 1333 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,280 振动随时间的变化 of vibration over time 1334 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:28,079 我要确保反馈是一致的 i making sure that the feedback matches 1335 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,040 行动让你认识你 the action so that the you know you 1336 00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:31,119 真的 really 1337 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,599 就像信封跟随者一样 almost using like an envelope follower 1338 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:36,079 在你的触觉或设计上 on your haptics or just designing 1339 00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:38,720 触觉和你的声音效果 haptics along with your sound effects so 1340 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:41,440 和信封上的都吻合 that they match both the the envelope 1341 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:42,800 振幅和长度因为有 amplitude and the length because having 1342 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,640 那种 that kind of 1343 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,119 与声音一对一的关系 one-to-one relationship with the sound 1344 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:49,520 触觉振动是巨大的 and the the haptic vibration is huge 1345 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:52,240 然后我们发现有时候 um and then we found like sometimes 1346 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,000 做一些非常独特的事情只是感觉 doing some really unique stuff just felt 1347 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:56,240 真的很好，有很多 really good there was a lot of 1348 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,480 电影，你知道我们非常 cinematics where you know we were very 1349 00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:00,240 对我们发送的内容有选择性 selective about what we were sending 1350 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,760 我们设计的是什么触觉 what we were designing for haptics or 1351 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,839 发送到触觉系统，所以有时候我们 sending to the haptics so sometimes we 1352 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,160 会把对话发送给触觉系统吗 would send dialogue to the haptics if it 1353 00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:07,440 是不是很激动地喊了一句又一句 was a really emotional shouted line and 1354 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,079 那会感觉很好，就像 that would feel really good like when 1355 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,480 金在类似的场景中大喊大衣和枪 jin yells coat and gun in the like scene 1356 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,160 当他第一次面对大汗的时候 when he first confronts the khan just 1357 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,640 感觉他在喊 feeling him shout that 1358 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:20,160 最后我感觉很好 felt really good there was um at the end 1359 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,960 亚里卡拉幽灵的任务 of the um the ghost of yarikala mission 1360 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,520 呃 uh 1361 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,599 音乐变得如此宏大史诗般的宏大 the music just gets so big and epic 1362 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,359 这就是我们要做的 there and so that's actually what we're 1363 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:29,440 通过触觉传递的是音乐 sending through the haptics is the music 1364 00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:31,520 这样你就能感觉到音乐 so that you're feeling the music as 1365 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:34,240 你听到了，所以 you're hearing it so yeah it's just 1366 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:36,480 真是一个迷人的新混合工具 really a fascinating new mix tool really 1367 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:38,559 在logo屏幕上 on the logo screen 1368 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,640 就在这个logo屏幕上 right here on the logo screen yeah 1369 00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:42,559 人们对我们送的礼物印象深刻 people were very impressed that we sent 1370 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,640 我们的电影 our cinematic 1371 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:46,880 跟踪我们的标志屏幕通过 uh track for our logo screen through the 1372 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,119 触觉，这只是因为 haptics and it was just because 1373 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,440 我们有技术 we had the uh the technology that 1374 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:53,440 Apoorva做的很简单 apoorva built it was so easy to just oh 1375 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,920 我们有这部电影，所以我可以 well we've got this movie so i can just 1376 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,079 制作配乐的触觉版本 make a haptic version of that soundtrack 1377 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,839 现在控制器变成了 and now the controller comes to life as 1378 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:02,079 只要你把光盘放进去就行 soon as you put the disc in all right 1379 00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:05,040 我想谢谢你 well i'd like to thank you for taking 1380 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:06,559 今天跟我们聊的时间和喜欢 the time to talk with us today and like 1381 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,960 谢谢你做了这么棒的 to thank you for making such a great 1382 00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:11,520 游戏花了很多时间在它和我 game spending many hours in it and i 1383 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,720 非常感谢，谢谢 really appreciate that thanks yeah thank 1384 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,240 谢谢，谢谢，谢谢 you thank you thank you thanks 1385 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,960 谢谢你，阿莱斯特，谢谢你 thank you aleister and thank you to the 1386 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:20,240 sucker punch公司和索尼公司的人 folks at sucker punch and at sony 1387 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,400 互动，帮助把这个 interactive for helping put this 1388 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:24,480 就像我提到的，我们 conversation together as i mentioned we 1389 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,839 接下来还有几集吗 have a couple more episodes coming up 1390 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,839 献身于不可思议的工作 devoted to the incredible work being 1391 00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:29,440 在游戏中完成，所以请确保你 done in gaming so please make sure you 1392 00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:32,559 如果你不订阅我们的节目，你会订阅吗 are subscribed to us if you're not 1393 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:34,480 杜比学院已经为你播报了 already the dolby institute podcast you 1394 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:36,559 能找到我们专门播客的链接吗 can find links to our dedicated podcast 1395 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,720 订阅我们的节目，或者你可以 feed and our show notes or you can just 1396 00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:41,599 搜索杜比，无论你得到你的 search for dolby wherever you get your 1397 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,319 播客到此结束，感谢收看 podcasts until then thanks for joining 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