我是个同性恋 I am gay.
事实上 这无法准确的来描述我 Actually that is nota proper description of me.
同性恋一词最早源于西方 It is an English word borrowed from the west.
但在印度语中我并未发现此类描述 But then, I dont have a termin an Indian language.
所以同性恋一直被视为西方的观念名词 No wonder being gayis still seen as a western construct.
我花了很长的时间来了解自己的性取向 It took me several years to understand my sexuality
在那之后的很长一段时间 我努力告诉我自己 and it took me several more years to tell myself that Im not abnormal,
我是正常人不是变态 that my desires were not perverted.
但法律和社会群众对同性恋有很大的歧视 But the law, the society,the people continued to be abusive.
我因为性取向 I've been physically hit,blackmailed, abused
不止一次被人打过 敲诈过 虐待过… because of my sexual orientation more than one occasion...
这让我感到被侵犯 无助和这个世界的肮脏 it made me feel violated,dirty, helpless...
却也因此坚定了我反抗的决心 but it also built up my resolve to fight back.
我开始寻找同性恋者成为受害者的原因 I set out to find why people like us are victimized,
原因是什么 根源在哪儿 what is the reason,what is the root cause?
是固有的印度文化吗 Is it our Indian culture?
是男权统治的社会结构吗 Is it the dominant patriarchal social structure?
还是殖民地法律将同性恋定为犯罪 Or is it a colonial law that criminalizes homosexuality?
一切从何开始 Where did it all begin?
在印度过去四五千年的历史中 In 4000 or 5000 years of Indian history
你不会同性恋被视为有罪者而遭到起诉 - 我 - you don’t have any prosecution under any of these-- I--
所谓"鸡奸法"这样的无稽之谈 So called sodomy laws and all.
它渗入了印度的普通法 刑法 It comes into Indian common law
甚至警方的日常打击活动中 or Indian Penal Law,or Indian Police Act
源自《圣经》中的教会法案 from the ecclesial act which is on The Bible
在我们的身上被施行 and then slapped on us!
印度人的文化态度和性态度 The Indian cultural attitudes and sexual attitudes
是不同于西方的 was completely different.
从《达摩经》的时代至今不存在任何 There was no such thing as criminalizing sexual offenses.
将性冲突视为犯罪的情况 Right from the days of Kama Sutra, etc.
如果你有学习过印度和不列颠的历史 If you study the history of India and Delhi and the British...
额 经过一段时期 uh, over a period of time...
英国人开始对盛行的文化 the British has started taking an--A kind of a hostile attitude
持一种敌对的态度 to what was the culturally prevalent mores.
我们必须明白这种教育观念从何而来 We must understand this pedagogy from where it comes,
英格兰人在干些什么 what Macaulay was there for.
他们在摧毁旧的观念 Macaulay was thereto destroy the older structures
试图注入新鲜血液 and put something new in it.
印度文明拓展的新空间 Indian civilization had this elbow room
包括一些第三性行为 for a lot of stuff including hijrasas a third sex.
是英国人将性行为 [Anand] It is the British who had the legacy of criminalization
视为犯罪 of sexual behaviors.
尤其是同性恋 And then particularly homosexuality
我们有--这个法律是 呃 你知道的… that we had-- Had this law being,uh, you know...
把小金人放上去 put on the statuette book.
尤其在英国的早期法律中 Earlier the law was,especially during the British days,
只有阴茎和非阴道插入性插入 that it'll be only penile non-vaginal penetrative sex
在肛门区域或者嘴里的 and the penetration is either in the anus region
阴茎非阴道性交 or in the mouth.
才被视为犯罪 The practice which was criminalized was penile non-vaginal sex,
所以这项罪行适用于所有人 so it applied to everybody.
但 当然 警察不可能闯入异性恋夫妇的家里 But, of course, you--You could not have police raiding into
那会扰乱社会秩序 homes of heterosexual couples,that would disrupt society as it were.
所以同性恋成为他们下手的目标 So the easy target for that was basically homosexuals.
印度刑法第16章 377节 [Sridhar] Chapter 16,Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code
可以追溯到 dates back to 1861
1861年的不列颠时期 只有极少数的案例 and right through the British Raj,they were only three cases
适用于377条 where Section 377 was specifically used.
阿南德 它对任何的性行为都有很大的影响 [Anand] It has a lot of impact on any alternative sexuality
包括同性恋 变性人 阴阳人 including gay, transgender or hijras or
海尔吉斯和和女同 intersex or lesbians, you know.
尽管英国法律中 Though lesbians have never been criminalized in--
女同从未被视为犯罪 At the British type of law,
因为需要所谓的穿透 because it required what is known as penetration
意味着插入式性交 and penetration meant penile penetration.
大多是时候 女人是无形的 没有过多的文字记载 Most times women are invisible and unwritten in the text of anything,
但 呃 由于大多记载比较间接 直接导致了女同处境的艰难 but, uh, ultimately the more indirect it is, the harder it becomes.
你知道 这就像 走在一条人迹罕至极为沉默的路上 So it's like, you know, going by--Uh, taking the route of silence.
你可以像大多数女性一样生活 不会发生任何的意外 You can live as female friends and nothing will happen,
但是我觉得 仍然会对生活造成影响 but, uh, I think it's, uh...It does have an impact because the way
因为违背内心情感走向的方式也会牵连到女性 against the nature will implicate women as well.
异性恋之间 当两个人发生性关系时 In a heterosexual context,when two people have sex,
你可以看做是相爱的表现 是表达喜欢的方式 you might look at it as love,you may look at it as affection,
也可以看做是性 是亲密 you might look at it as sex, as intimacy.
我认为不断的挣扎斗争来强调这一点 It's very important, I think,to stress and strive
是很重要的 and push the point down again and again.
同性恋之间的生活和性行为 Gay lives or homosexual lives
不仅仅是关于性联系 are about more than merely the act of sexual connection
而是试图去找回一段关于爱和情感的历史记忆 and try to retrieve this other history of maybe love and affection
并是真实存在的 which is really there,
对此我们并未有过多的谈论--在司法记录中 which we don’t really talk about and we-- We reduce it in judicial records
人们把它视作反常的性联系和人性的卑劣样本 to perverse sexual connection and despicable specimens of humanity.
这种态度一度持续了很长一段时间 The attitude was perpetuated over a period of time
结果导致同性恋者受到了污蔑和歧视 and you have a result where they are stigmatized and discriminated.
甚至在某种程度上 And to the extent that even homosexuals
同性恋者也开始 or gay people themselves
将自己视为 started thinking about themselves as people,
有某种基因缺失的另类或认为自己的身体出现了问题 um, who had some gene missing or there's something wrong with them
开始接受那些歧视和骂名 and started to imbibe that discrimination and stigma.
斯瑞达 我们一直生活在恐惧 怀疑和焦虑不安中 [Sridhar] We always lived in fear,doubt and anxiety.
不知道自己的欲望是否正常 We were not sure if our desires were normal.
不能告诉任何人我们的性取向 We could not tell anyone...
不敢吐露心声 confide with no one.
即使不能呐喊 也无法抑制心中对爱呼之欲出的渴望 And also we could not contain our love that dare not speak its name.
我们与家人格格不入 We felt alienated from our own homes.
公园和景区成为了我们的替代住所 Parks and cruising sites became our alternative abodes.
我们活在阴影之中 We started living in shadows...
活在太阳的余晖里 in the twilight zone.
考底利耶 我不确定自己的真实身份 [Chanakya] I was not very sure about of what my identity was.
我甚至对自己的同性朋友都放不开 I wasn't even open to my gay friends.
也会在日常交往中使用假名 I would use false names too with my friends.
我也有性欲 有时候我会外出 I also have that sexual appetite and then I would go out
和别人调情 to flirt with somebody.
然后我知道了特定的时间和地点 在卡朋公园 And then I knew that point of time that there was Cubbon Park
你可以在那儿和别人调情 然后再找一个男人过夜 where you can go and flirt with the people and then pick up a guy.
在那段时间里 我还了解到有些法律就是这样存在的 I also learned through the time that, uh,there was some law existing like this
你可能因此遭到惩罚 that you could be punished for.
所以我一直是在暗地里进行的 So it was there in my background always.
然后 呃-- And then, uh--
怎么说呢 我太天真了 我去卡朋公园找了一个男人调情 But anyway I was naive and then I went to Cubbon Park
那个家伙强奸了我 and picked up a guy.That guy, he actually raped me,
拿走了我的钱和手机 my money and then stole my mobile.
因为发生在半夜 我感到非常的无助 I felt terribly helpless,because in the middle of night
我不知道该去哪儿 还能去哪儿 I didn’t know where--Know where else to go.
我惊慌失措 不知道该联系谁 I panicked. I didn’t know whom to contact.
然后我去了警察局 Then I go to the police station...
警察问我的第一件事就是 the first thing that police was asking like,
“你在哪儿干了什么吗” “你为什么要去那里” "What were you doing there?Why would you go there?"
他们也会使用侮辱性的语言 例如 你知道的 They would use an abusive language also in that like, you know,
”印度方言” 这些混蛋去那里 [speaking in Indian dialect]"These ass-fuckers, they go there,
做一些该死的肮脏的事情 they do dirty things."
“英语” 你知道的 我不能告诉他们 那个家伙 我-- [speaking English] I couldn’t tell them that, you know, the guy, I was--
我想和他上床 所以我试着去编造一个故事 I wanted to have sex with him.I tried to cook a story there
告诉他们 就像 你知道--我认识的某个人 by telling, like, you know, I--Somebody whom I know,
我偶然遇见他 然后我们一起出去玩这种的 I met him and then we were going out.
因为377条始终存在 Because the Section 377 is existing.
最先有罪的是我 而不是强奸我的那个人 The first party who is guilty is me rather than somebody who raped me.
所以我无法说出来 这就是我无助的症结所在 So, I didn’t wanted to come out and that is where I felt helpless.
斯瑞达 在印度有许许多多类似的证词 [Sridhar] There are countless such testimonies all over India.
女同性恋 她们是最大的受害者 Lesbians, they were the worst victims.
保守的宗教家庭制度 A conservative patriarchal family system
不允许她们自由的选择伴侣 did not allow them freedom to choose their partners.
她们被安排结婚 组成家庭 They had to marry, raise families.
对许多女同性恋者来说 For many same-sex loving women,
唯一的出路就是自杀 the only escape route was...suicide.
男同性恋者却仍然可以躲在自己的伪装下 Gay men could still hide in their closets,
在某些地方与朋友或者陌生人交易者匿名的性行为 have anonymous sex with friends and strangers in some places,
但变性人和弱小的男人会遭受暴力攻击 but it was transgenders and effeminate men who faced the brunt of the violence.
他们在外流浪 被赶出家门 They stood out,they were out in the open.
经常受到警察和人民的威胁 They were exposed to constant threat by police and people.
这条法律的存在实在是太荒谬了 It's ridiculous that this law exists.
我无法想象比这更愚蠢的事儿了 I cant think of anything more stupid.
我觉得这条法律是有害的 I think this law is a detriment.
它所适用的环境不能够 It doesn’t allow for an environment
有针对性的发挥干预的作用 which will allow for targeted interventions to work.
因为不被法律所承认 Because there is no legal recognition,
不被社会所认认同和接受 because there is no sec--Social acceptance,
同性恋群体依然默默无闻着 the gay community continued to remain invisible.
男男性接触者 科蒂人群 两性人… The MSM, the Kothi population,the hijra populations
他们不敢站出来接受卫生服务 do not come forward to access health services.
我们又如何能够注意到他们呢 So how do we reach out to them?
一方面法律将同性行为定为犯罪 On one hand there is a law which criminalizes same-sex behavior,
另一方面 这个社区是艾滋病的高危人群 on the other hand there is a community which is high at risk for HIV,
但你无法联系到他们 but you cant reach out to them.
印度方言 在早期 [speaking in Indian dialect]In the earlier days,
我们不得不面对避孕套分发的一系列难题 we had to face a lot of difficulty distributing condoms.
例如 在公园里 警察在巡逻时看到 For example, in the parks,police constables come for their rounds.
我们给目标人群分发避孕套 See us meeting our target population and giving them condoms,
大多数时候 警察会抓住我们说“你们来这里…” many a time the police have caught us and said, "You come here to..."
他们会说脏话 They speak in an abusive language,
“你来这儿是为了被操的”他们还会打我们 "You come here to get fucked."And hit us too.
当他们发现我们属于某个特殊人群的时候 When they find out that we belong to a particular group
他们的言行就是这样的 and their behavior is like this.
他们要求或是强迫我们做爱 They demand sex from us or forcibly have sex.
英语表达 依据第377条作为认知的犯罪意味着 [speaking English] 377 being a cognizable offense meant that the police
警方仅凭嫌疑就可以行使逮捕的权利 could arrest a person under 377on mere suspicion.
他们不需要任何形式的逮捕令 Like, it-- They did not need a arrest warrant of any sort.
这种罪不可保释 基本上意味着一个人一旦被捕… And it being a non-bailable offense basically meant that
就得在牢狱里过日子 once a person is arrested...
经过一系列的调查之后 可能还未起诉 after investigation and all of that,maybe charges are not filed,
也可能是撤回或其他什么的 maybe charges are dropped or whatever.
警察…因为他们贪赃枉法 Police... because of their venal nature
他们试图榨取金钱和性利益 of trying to extract money and extract sexual favors
就像施暴一样--一第377条为基准 and in-- Like inflicting violence,using 377 as a peg,
他们制造出一种 they created a situation,they were creating a...
看似不可能的情况--就像用恐惧来阻止人们 environment where it was impossible--Like the fear
来四处搜集信息 prevented people from coming out and seeking information.
在这种环境和情形下 In a milieu, in a situation where
信息是防止艾滋病毒传播的唯一途径 information is the only way you can prevent HIV from spreading.
当然 这对健康会有直接的影响 So, of course there was a very direct health implication.
斯瑞达 这种阻挠人们追求健康的法律态度 [Sridhar] Implications of the law in preventing health seeking attitudes
促使一群积极分子走到了一起 was what prompted a group of activists to come together and form ABVA,
成立了艾滋病防治组织 AIDS Bhedbhav Virodhi Andolan,
意味着艾滋病的反歧视运动 meaning AIDS anti-discrimination movement.
萨利姆 《没有同性恋》成为 [Saleem] "Less Than Gay"became the first document produced
首次提出同性恋非罪化的指导性文件 and which first made the demands of decriminalization.
这是基于Tihar监狱的情况所拟写的 And this was prompted by...a situation in Tihar jail
他们在Tihar监狱看到的同性恋行为以及做出的询问 where they looked at homosexual behavior in Tihar jail
嗯么… and asked, um...
他们被告知在监狱分发避孕套 for distribution of condoms in the jail
是被禁止的 and they were told that it--They could not be done
因为同性恋是一种罪 because homosexuality was a crime.
所以这项规定完全符合逻辑 Uh, and therefore it was logical that
他们应该接着再写一份请愿书 they should have followed it up with a-- A petition.
这是在德里高等法院提出的 曾一度成为诉求 It was filed in the Delhi High Court,it was pursued for a time.
但作为非正式的组织 想要维持下去是很艰难的 But being an informal group that it was,it could not, uh, sustain.
它之所以失效--是因为并未引发大众的关注 It lapsed because of--Attention wasn't paid to it.
斯瑞达 这是漫长斗争开始前的良好开端 [Sridhar] It was a good beginning of a long journey ahead.
这是希望的开始 It was the beginning of hope.
虽然ABVA的请愿书未能生效 但它吹响了 Though the ABVA petition lapsed,it became the first bugle call
重新宣读第377条的号角 for reading down Section 377.
和其他类似的运动一样 一切都陷入了冬眠一般的沉睡期 But as with any movement,things had gone dormant for some time...
直到一件极度引起公愤的事发生在 till an extremely unpleasant incident occurred
北方邦的中心地带 准确说是在勒克瑙 in the heartland of UP,in Lucknow to be precise,
这是对人权最严重的侵犯 a witch hunt that was the worst violation of human rights.
阿里夫 在2001年 我们做了一些拓展工作 [Arif] In 2001,we were doing some outreach work.
主要包括分发避孕套 Outreach work included distribution of condom,
分发一些材料物资 distribution of materials.
拓展工作的其中的一个地点 At one of the sites, at these, uh,outreach sites,
就在勒克瑙的一个大型公园里 which was a major park in Lucknow.
有一名工作人员被逮捕了 One of our outreach worker was arrested.
他被警察带走并且关了起来 So he was taken to, um, lock up,
被审问他在做的工作是什么 interrogated there to what kind of work he was doing.
在审讯过程中他说 And then during his interrogation he mentioned that,
“好吧 我在为巴罗萨工作” "Okay, I work for Bharosa."
他们于是搜查了办公室 They raided the offices.
当他们搜查的时候 显而易见的是 Now, when they raided the offices, obviously,
纳兹国际基金会有一个图书馆 the Naz Foundation International,uh, had a library.
巴罗萨也有一个小的图书馆有着所有关于 Bharosa had a small library.So all the reading materials
同性恋和安全性行为的阅读材料 were focused on homosexuality,safer-sex
和许多尚未分发的避孕套 and there were lot of condoms.
那里有许多的假阴茎展示模型 Now, there were a lot of dildos as a demonstration model.
但对于警方来说简直是万分惊讶 But for police it was something alien.
下午五点钟左右 警车忽然驾到 [speaking in Indian dialect] Suddenly at 5:00 p.m. the police vans came.
更像是一支有媒体陪同的声势浩大的军队 It was more like a big army and they were accompanied by the media.
他们声称 They alleged that at the office
我们召集群众 we gathered people and...
拍色情电影给他们看 教他们如何做爱 And taught them how to have sex,we made porn films and showed them,
还说我们给政客和利益相关者提供男孩 and we supplied boys to politicians and stakeholders.
幸运的是 勒克瑙的同性恋集会点 RENDEZVOUS POINTS FOR HOMOSEXUALSIN LUCKNOW ALSO
四百多名“同性俱乐部”成员的身份都得到了确认 FOUR HUNDRED MEMBERS OF "GAY CLUB" IDENTIFIED
并且都接受了外界的广泛援助 HOMOSEXUALS WERE RECEIVING FUNDINGFROM ABROAD
我们依据的是第377条 110条 106条里的 [speaking English] We were booked under Section 377, 110 and 106,
有关提倡和教唆同性恋的内容 promoting and abetting homosexuality.
在监狱里 [Speaking in Indian dialect]In the prison
我们经常被带到活动的空地中央 we were usually taken to the ground which was...
他们让我们蹲在地上 at the center,we would be made to squat there,
用鞭子和警棍打我们 they would hit us with boots and batons.
这种事每天都会发生 This would happen every day.
我们看到的大多数都是甘多人 [speaking English] We were shown that these are the gando people.
一群同性恋 一群混蛋 [speaking in Indian dialect]"Here are the homosexuals,
我们抓住了这些可恶又恶心的家伙 the ass-fuckers we have caught the ass-fuckers".
监狱里的每个人对此都习以为常 [speaking English]And everybody was looking at it.
对于警察用皮靴打人这种事… The policemen used to come and hit with their boots...
所以 只是为了确信 so, just to make sure that...
我们并未因自己而懊恼悔恨 we regret for what we are.
他们不提供自来水给我们 [speaking in Indian dialect]We were not given water
用以洗漱和上厕所 to wash our mouths or go to toilet.
那里有一个小池塘 里面充满了秽物 There was a pond where everyone would spit or wash vessels.
我们不得不喝这种水 We had to drink the same water.
这是一个… [speaking English]There was a...
充满排放的发臭发黑的脏水 A drain there and it had filthy black water in it.
我们被要求用这种水来洗碗 We were asked to clean the drain with one, um, bowl,
和清洗我们的食物 and then we were asked to clean it and eat our food in that.
他们想让我们因为生活的困难而最终崩溃 So they were making our lives difficult.They wanted us to breakdown.
所有人都失去了有朝一日离开监狱的希望 We were really losing hope that we will ever come out of jail.
同性恋传播 SPREADING HOMOSEXUALITY
勒克瑙事件像野火一样迅速蔓延 [Sridhar] News of the Lucknow arrests spread like wildfire
引发了印度各地积极人权活动人士的愤怒 and created a furor among human rights activists all over India.
反对剥削和压迫的志愿者纠察小组 PICKETING BY VOLUNTARY ORGANIZATIONSAGAINST EXPLOITATION AND REPRESSION
聚集在一起举行抗议活动 They came together to stage protests and raise voices
要求释放被逮捕的人们 to have the arrested set free
他们来自各个地方 in several cities.
这是首次 有关同性恋和变性人问题的 For the first time, LGBT activists staged
社会活动人士举行的公众抗议和宣传活动 在孟买的弗洛拉喷泉 a public protest and awareness campaign at Flora Fountain in Bombay.
这一系列事件的发生影引导了 你知道 There were a series of these incidents that happened which led, like you know,
这些-- 这些就像是周期性的 额 我想说 助长了激进主义的火焰 which-- Which-- Which were these periodic,uh, I would say, uh, feeding of the fire
激发了社区活动的积极性 of activism, of motivation for the community.
勒克瑙事件无疑是最具代表性的 Lucknow certainly was one of the major ones.
这就像 呃… It was like this, um...
就像突然意识到不存在绝对的安全性这种事实 Like, uh, this sudden realization that nobody is safe.
由于勒克瑙事件的发生 使得377条在人们的脑海中再一次被清晰的记起 The fact that Lucknow happened and that377 suddenly became so stark in our mind.
我觉得这在一定程度上加剧了 I think that to some extent catalyzed the urgency
像德里高等法院提出上诉的进程 to file the petition in the Delhi High Court.
我在律师集体会议上决定我们必须要正确处理这个案子 I decided in the Lawyers Collective that we have to take this case head-on.
我们必须接受这个挑战 We have to challenge the section.
律师们觉得最好在孟买展开诉讼 And Lawyers Collective wanted to do it in Bombay,
因为孟买有最激进的声音 because Bombay had the most progressive benches,
和最开明的高等法院 had the most progressive High Courts
像包括我在内的很多人是愿意公开自己的性取向的 and people like me were willing to be open about their sexuality.
如果我遭遇了那些我会说 “这侵犯了我的权利” I was going to go and say,"This infringes my personal rights."
我们在德里提出申请是因为一名艾滋病患者的请愿 We filed it in Delhi because of the AIDS Bhedbhav Andolan petition.
想要避免这个问题 最好是不要去找最高法院的 We wanted to avoid that the matter should not go to the Supreme Court,
但是如果你申请一个高等法院 政府会说 because if you file it another high court,the government can say,
“不行 为什么要有两个做出决定的高等法院” "No, why should two high courts decide,
为什么不直接去找最高法院呢 it should be decided by the Supreme Court."
这种情况一旦发生 And if that were to happen,
如果最高法院做出的决定是不利的 then one decision by the Supreme Court which is adverse
将彻底决定我的命运 would seal our fate completely.
因为安佳丽参与了一些同性恋人群的外联拓展工作 And ultimately because Anjali was involved with some work
最后我问她相关问题时 我说 with gay people and outreach work,I asked her.
我厌倦了 因为每当新的一天来到 I was getting fed up because every second day
我仍然坐在警察局里 I was sitting in the police station
试图救出我们的外联人员 trying to get our outreach workers out.
所以我告诉她 “这不是长久之计 不能再继续这样的方法了” So I said, "This is no way to do work.This cant carry on."
而且持续不断的有更多的年轻人因这种法律遭到骚扰 And constantly young people were getting so harassed by this law.
所以我们一致认为 “好的 去法院谈论吧 告诉他们 So we said, "Okay, lets just goto the courts and say,
‘至少你们得为此做些什么’” 'At least this bit you guys have to do something about.'"
德里 所有请愿的人们都来了 [Arvind] The strength of that entire petition comes
从力求建立起强大的社会健康体系为出发点以来 from making a strong case on the right to health.
所发生的事情是 Making the case that, um,
这条法律把同性恋人群 what happens with--With this law is this law drives
送进了地狱里 homosexuals underground
只要他们活着-- 同性恋者就得进地狱 since it lives--Drives homosexuals underground,
他们不能顺从--所以他们冒险去发生性行为 um, they are not able to--They have to engage in risky sex
因此 他们很容易感染艾滋病 since they engage in risky sex,they are vulnerable to HIV.
在德里高等法院 此类问题会被安排听证事宜 In the Delhi High Court,um, matter would be listed for hearing,
但是在很长的一段时间里 它并未被安排 but for a long period of time,it did not come up,
因为非案件相关者无法申请 because people were not affected directly cannot file.
这个申请一度被驳回 At one point, the case was thrown out,
因为 德里高等法院说 because, um, the Delhi High Court said
我们没有权利提起这样的诉讼 that we had no right to file such a case.
当然 最高法院认为这是无稽之谈 And then, of course, the Supreme Court said that's nonsense
因为他们可以接受这样的诉讼申请 and they do have the right to file such a case
这就是为什么又绕回到了高等法院 and thats why it has gone back to the High Court.
在这期间发生的 In the meantime what had happened
你需要知道的最为重要的一点就是 which is very important for you to appreciate
每次当我们提交请愿书的时候 都会产生法律观点的争执 is that when we had filed the petition,every legal contention had been taken,
但我们并未咨询社区意见 but we had not consulted the community.
所以从那之后 我们参与社区的每一个活动 So from then onwards we involved the community
和每一次的改变 in every change and turn.
斯瑞达 对法律和警察的恐惧是一个方面 [Sridhar] Fear of the law and the police is one aspect...
但最致命的是害怕自己 but fear of oneself is the worst fear.
我们开始伤害自己 We start victimizing ourselves.
我和恐惧作斗争 最终战胜了我自己 I fought that fear and came out to myself,
也得到了朋友 父母的接受和认可 to my friends and finally to my parents.
我花了好几年的时间 It took several years for them to understand me,
但他们最终接受了 but they eventually have.
也许我是幸运的 因为我受过教育 Perhaps I have been privileged because I had education,
我有一些有权有势的朋友 他们成为了这场斗争强有力的支持 I met some empowered friends and became part of a movement.
但这并不适用于所有人 But it may not be easy for everyone.
由于社会的荒谬 辱骂和歧视 Because of society‘s ridicule,stigma and discrimination,
使大家感觉置身事外 one feels like an outsider.
但我们的渴望和激情 我们的爱和欢喜 But our desires and passions,our love and affection
是无法被社会意愿带走和埋葬的 cannot be wished away,cannot be buried under.
寻求满足和被接受 Seeking fulfillment, seeking acceptance,
把我们推入了黑暗的窄巷 置身于危险的境地 it pushes us into dark alleys,into dangerous situations
社会的舆论和法律的棍棒在那儿等着我们 where the hands of the society and the cudgels of the law are waiting.
一个受过教育的男人和另一个男人开始约会 Educated guy, he met up with a guy and they started dating each other,
相信我 他们之间什么也没有发生 and believe me nothing actually happened between the two of them,
然后那个男人告诉他 他是一个警察 and then this other guy told him that he's a police officer,
如果 and if, uh...
他不给钱的话 他就会去他家告诉他的家人 he doesn’t give him money,he is going to go to his house
告诉所有的人 你知道吗 你们的儿子是个同性恋 and tell everyone that,you know, their son is gay
他还要向警方控诉他 and also he is going to make a police complaint
如何对他进行性侵犯 that how he has been making sexual overtures against him
并根据377条对他起诉 and book him under Section 377.
维克拉姆 真正的勒索我们称之为 [Vikram] What the really organized blackmails
“Matunga 的骚扰” was something we call the "Matunga Racket",
因为随着时间的推移 because we realized over time that it was a full gang
我们意识到这是一个有组织的帮派 有包括警察在内的成员 operating in a very organized manner,involving members of the police.
它的作案方式是通过网络来寻找目标 The way it operated was that it would find people over the net.
他们的手法很高明 他们主动提出--甚至都不用说-- They were very smart, they offer--Often they didn’t even say—
像“我们第一次见面就做爱吧”这种话 Say, like, "Let's have sex at the first meeting."
他们 --通常开始是这样的 They, uh-- They start the--Usually, the first thing was like,
“你有什么可交换的色情物品吗” "Do you have any porn you want to exchange?"
他们会在附近的车站汇合 像这样走 额-- They would meet near the other station,go one of this like, s-- Uh, uh--
会有一个男人突然从路旁走到你身后 Side roads and then suddenly one guy would come from behind
然后拽住你们 and grab both of them.
你知道 衣着简单的那个家伙会说--我知道你在这儿干什么 You know, and plain clothes guy and say--Say that we know what you are doing there.
而最聪明的是 他们以交换色情物品为由见面 And this was where it was so smart saying we'll exchange porn,
所以受害者身上确实带着色情物品 because they actually had the porn in there
他们便以此为罪证要挟受害者 and they would say that's incriminating evidence.
一个女孩和她的女朋友就这样上当被抓了 A girl was caught with her girlfriend.
女孩的父亲威胁要把她们都杀了 The father then threatened them,he will shoot them.
她们害怕丢掉性命 所以就 The girl feared for her life.So what the two girls did is that...
带上钱一起逃跑了 Collected some money and they ran off.
她们走后 那个父亲就把自己的女儿告上了法庭 So when they ran off,the father then put a case
指控她偷走了自己的钱财和珠宝 that the daughter has stolen some money or some jewelry
然后从房子里逃走了 于是这件事就上升到了刑事案件 from the house and fled.So now that becomes a criminal case.
比如说 有一对女同伴侣写信给我们 Couple of lesbians who wrote to us, for instance,
她们一起生活在远离家乡 远离父母的地方 they were living together away from their families from another city
但偶然得知了她们关系的一位邻居 and their neighbor were--Who found out about them
不仅敲诈勒索她们 was blackmailing them
还威胁要把她们交给警察和她们的家人 and threatening to out them to the police and their families
甚至逼迫她们和自己发生性关系 and would force them to have sex with him.
有一个案子让我觉得尤其血腥残忍 One of the cases which struck me as particularly gory,
就像第377条一样暴虐蛮横 as to the way 377 operated,
一名男子在Dhaula Kuan区的 was this case of this guy who was standing in the bus stand
一处公交站等车 at Dhaula Kuan to take a bus.
恰好此时Dhaula Kuan警察局的警察路过 And this police person from the Dhaula Kuan police station
看见了他 came, saw him,
因为他看起来很柔弱 再加上是晚上 because he was a little effeminate and it was little late
你知道 大概十点半左右 in the night, like,you know, about 10:30-ish,
就蛮横地把他抓走了 带到了警察局 picked him up from there,took him to the police station.
警察局的后面有一个营房 The police station has a barrack in the back
是所有警察睡觉的地方 然后他们带来了那个男子 他们 where all these policemen sleep,so they get this guy, they...
就这样 强奸了他一整晚 like, rape him all night.
十一名警察轮奸了他整整一晚上 Eleven policemen raped him throughout the night.
没人用安全套 Nobody used condoms.
他的直肠被穿透了 他 他甚至被迫为他们口交 He was anally penetrated, he--He was forced to do oral sex
他们还一直威胁要把他关进监狱 and they kept threatening him that they're going to put him in jail.
而到早上 他们不得不离开 And in the morning when people have to go off
去工作的时候 他们才放他走 to their duties, etc.They just let him go,
而且 没有赔偿 什么都没有 I mean, no charges, nothing.
这 这就是他们仰赖着377条残害我们的一贯作法 你知道 Th-- This is exactly the way 377 has always operated, you know,
它从未被搬上台面 但它的威慑力却不断地 不断地被滥用 it has never been used but the threat of it was con-- Constantly abused.
导致他们受害的原因有很多 There are numerous accounts of such victimizations
少数受害者会把他们的经历告诉朋友或一些活动家 that the victims have shared with their friends or activists,
但大多数并不想被报道 but most of them didn't wanted it to be reported,
因为男同 女同 变性人害怕一旦说出自己的遭遇 because gay, lesbian, transgender persons feared that if they report it,
就会因违反377条被捕 they will be arrested under Section 377.
我们中的大多数选择生活在黑暗中 拼命忘记痛苦的经历 Most of us chose to live in the dark,forget the bad experiences,
让生活继续下去 move on with our lives.
但每当我们穿过街道 每当我们听到敲门声 But every time we crossed those streets,every time there was a knock on the door
甚至每当电话响起 都会让我们不寒而栗 and every time a phone call came,one would shudder.
我们都抱着一线希望 乞求着 We were all hoping against hope that someday Section 377
有一天377条会被废除 will be struck down,
有一天我们能在法庭上拥有说话的权利 someday our legal battle in the courts will offer us a reprieve.
在那之后 经历了漫长的时间 And then, came a long haul
为权利在一个个法庭间辗转奔走之后 where we went through one court to the other.
大多数法官看起来默许了我们的存在 Most of the judges seemed to be quite, uh,
你知道 至少不再有敌意 甚至有一些倾向于支持 you know, not hostile at least and some were favorably inclined.
我们起初以为 So we thought that this was, uh,
你知道 以为我们可以不再 有任何障碍 you know, we won't be,uh, having any difficulty.
然后 就开始 出现了反对的浪潮 Then, uh, what had happened was that,uh, responses were filed.
人们介入并成立了政党 建立了一个名为JACK的组织 People intervened and became parties and particularly a group called JACK.
JACK联合坎努尔行动 JACK which is Joint Action Kannur
提出了对案件的干预申请 files an intervention application in the case,
嗯 基本上是试图说明艾滋病病毒并不会导致艾滋病 uh, basically trying to say HIV doesnt cause AIDS.
他们 被叫做 被叫做艾滋病否认组织 They-- What are--What are called AIDS denial group
他们最主要的观点是 and their entire line of argument is that
是认为 请愿假借反对377条的幌子 this, um, petition is basically trying to push a homosexual rights agenda
事实上是试图推动同性恋权利议程 under the guise of, uh, 377.Then, um...
然后前印度人民党联邦院议员BP Singhal先生 after that we had Mr. BP Singhal who was a former, uh, BJP Rajya Sabha MP.
也对请愿书提出了干预申请 He filed an intervention application in the petition as well
因为他坚持认为同性恋是违反印度文化的 and his entire argument is homosexuality is against Indian culture
而法律必须捍卫印度文化 and therefore the law needs to be there to preserve Indian culture.
《摩奴法典》对同性恋规定了非常 非常残忍的惩罚 Manusmriti prescribes a very--A very harsh punishments
所以这是印度古老的传统 for homosexuality,so it's as ancient as that.
为什么要指责英国人呢 同性恋本身就是违反自然的 Why blame the British.It is an unnatural act,
同性恋是不道德的 因此它必须被谴责 it is an immoral act and hence it has to be condemned.
在2000年 完成了一项针对41个不同国家的调查 In 2000, there was a survey done of 41 countries that should
询问当地的人们 同性恋应该被社会接受吗 homosexuality be acceptable in society?
这项调查在41个不同的国家进行 而在印度 That survey was done in 41 countries and India,
结果表明百分之七的人支持 百分之六十三反对 其余中立 the figures are seven percent for and 63 percent against, the rest neutral.
仅仅只有百分之七的人 会说“是的 这有可能” So seven percent are the only one who have said, "Yes, it may be done."
因为这完全违背了印度固有的文化 It's positively overwhelmingly against the culture.
政府的第一个回应 First response that the government made
是由全国民主人民政府 在2003年作出的 and it was the NDA government,so this was the year 2003.
他们主要是声明 同性恋对国家的大多数人来说 So, basically they said that homosexuality is not an issue
不是一个会被讨论的问题 for the majority of people in this country
当然 我们中的很多人被这种态度激怒了 and, of course,many of us were extremely angered,
你知道 因为那样 uh, you know, by that.
因为政府那样说了 我们当时就决定 By what the government was saying.And we decided at that time
我们对政府的回应就应该是 that a very befitting response to the government would be
到处说“快看 我们在这儿 我们是妇女团体 to say, "Look, here we are,we are women groups,
我们是人权组织 我们是儿童维权组织 we are human rights organizations,we are child rights group,
我们是致力于艾滋病毒和艾滋病的团体 we are groups working on HIV and AIDS,
我们是LGBT团体 而我们要说 we are LGBT groups and we are all saying
这对我们来说是非常 非常重要的问题” that this a very,very important issue for us."
反对377条的声音 来自儿童维权组织 Voices Against 377 is a coalition of child rights,
来自妇女权益组织和LGBT团体 women’s rights and LGBT groups.
所以他们以人权的角度 And so they filed an intervention which the focus was more strongly
提出了更强力的干预 on the human rights perspective.
然后我们在个体法中得到了书面保证 And we've gotten affidavits from individual law--
保护受到影响的个体 Individual people who are affected.
而变性人 女同群体 和男同群体 Transgender people, lesbian people,as well as gay people
反对法律把我们视为 极少数的个体 making a point that this law affects us as-- As individuals.
就像Gautam Bhans的供词 比如 他提到 And as far as Gautam Bhans affidavit,for example, his argument was,
“法律把我当作二等公民 "The law treats me like a second-class citizen
但我拒绝在自己的祖国被视为二等公民” and I refuse to be a second-class citizen in my own country."
而Kokilas和Madhumitas的供词中提到 And Kokilas affidavit and Madhumitas affidavit were,
提到“法律的用处就是 that, I mean, "The law has been used in very concrete ways,
要么对我们提出诉讼 要么延续那些不人道的残酷行径” to either file cases against us or to perpetuate acts of inhuman cruelty."
我和几个朋友 Myself and a few friends
去公园为性工作招揽客人 had gone to a park for soliciting clients for sex work.
大约晚上八点的时候 十个暴徒袭击了我 Around 8:00 p.m.about ten goons attacked me.
他们以为我是女人 强行把我拖走强奸 They thought I was a woman and forcibly dragged me away to rape me.
我告诉他们我不是女人 我是海吉拉人 I told them that I am not a woman,I am a hijra.
他们用我的披肩勒住我的脖子 把我拖进树林 They tied my stole around my neck and dragged me into the grove.
扒光我的衣服 They stripped me totally naked
残忍地轮奸了我 and gang raped me brutally,
口交 肛交 oral sex, anal sex.
正当那时警察来公园巡逻 Just then the police came to the park on their rounds.
那些暴徒就慌忙逃走了 The goons got scared and ran away.
我没来得及穿裤子 只穿上了上衣 I managed to put on my top but before I could put on my pajamas,
然后警察就抓住了我 the police came and caught me.
我告诉警察十个暴徒轮奸了我 I told the police that ten goons had gang raped me,
但他们根本不听 but they wouldn't listen.
我半裸着 他们把我拖上警车 I am half naked, they dragged me to the police jeep
把我带去了警局 and took me to the police station,
在警局 他们把我的手拷在窗户上 at the police station they handcuffed my hands to the window,
扒去我的上衣 they stripped away my top too
叱骂道“这里所有的打砸抢烧 and shouted, "All the robbery and theft
都是你们这些死太监做的” around here is done by these damn eunuchs."
他们用警棍打我 They started beating me with batons,
用燃烧的红烙铁一次又一次烫我的乳头 then they placed hot burning wire on my nipples, again and again.
他们骂道“你不是女人吗 你能干什么 They said, "Are you a female,what do you have,
你能插进去六英尺吗” can you take six inches inside?"
他们扒开我的私密部位 把警棍插进去 They poked my private parts,thrusting their batons,
残忍地折磨我 they tortured me brutally.
Kokilas的遭遇是警察颠倒黑白的典型 Kokilas case was very clear black and white kind of case,
本应保护她的警察 却虐待了她 where instead of protecting her,uh, the police abused her.
甚至 威胁要杀了她 You know, threatened to kill her.
事实上 这件事甚至很难被记录在案 In fact, even to get the case registered was very difficult.
我们不得不组织大量人员 静坐示威… We had to go in large numbers and sit on...
向警务处副处长抗议 要求将此事记录在案 a protest at the DCPs office to get the case registered.
最后我们在议会大楼进行了一次大型抗议活动 And we ended the protest by taking a big rally to the Vidhana Soudha.
我们惊讶地发现 超过2000人加入了我们 And we were surprised,we had about 2000 people in the rally.
几乎所有的海吉拉人都走上了街道 年轻的 年长的 所有的人 Almost every second hijra was on the street. Young, old, everybody,
他们都很愤怒 there was so much of anger.
这是一次非常坚决的抗议 明确地要求 And this was a very clearly rally that clearly said,
“必须惩罚那些的警员 "Punish, so and so police officers
让他们为折磨Kokila付出代价” because they sexually assaulted and they tortured Kokila."
我们最后了解到的是… Last case we saw was that of, uh...
Kokila作为原告 Kokila where she was the complainant and the
指控了那五个强暴她的人 five others were the accused who raped her.
第二次我们得知377条被使用是在Madhumita的案子上 The second time we saw Section 377 employed was in the case of Madhumita.
Madhumita案是警察滥用职权的典型案例 Madhumitas case was a classic case of abuse by police powers.
我和我的朋友 Myself and my friends
穿过乔邦公园 朝甘地大道走去 were walking towards M.G. Road through Cubbon Park.
就在那时 几个穿着便衣的警察不由分说地逮捕了我们 At that time, several policemen in civil dress came and arrested us.
当我们问为什么抓我们的时候 When we asked why they were arresting us,
他们说我们被警察局传唤 they said we are called to the police station.
需要去签署一些文件 Just come and sign on some papers,
他们说到月底了 想要做出成绩 完成一些案子 they said it is the month end,so we need to show some cases,
签完名就会放我们走的 we will let you go after signing.
我们以为做完这些小事 他们就会放我们走 We thought they would write some petty cases and let us go,
所以我们在文件上签名了 so we signed on the blank papers.
大约晚上八点 他们用警车载我们去曷萨拉 Around 8:00 p.m. they took us in a jeep towards Hoysala,
但在中途 他们改变了路线 but on the way they--They changed the route
把我们带去了中央监狱 and took us to the Central Jail.
我们下车后 八个人围住了我们 When we got down,around eight people there converged on us.
我们不知道发生了什么 我们在哪里 We didn't know what was happening,where we were,
后来才意识到我们被带到了中央监狱 only later we realized we were at the Central prison.
一开始他们想把我们关在女子牢房中 First they wanted to put us in the ladies' cell,
但后来决定把我们六人关在单独的一个牢房 but later decided against it and put the six of us in a separate cell.
他们不给我们毯子 甚至不给我们食物 They didn't give us blankets,they didn't give us food at all.
一开始他们指控我们违反了377条 First they charged us with 377,
后来改成了妨害公众罪 then they removed it and charged us under public nuisance.
他们在起诉书上写我们携带疾病 They wrote on their charge sheet that we carry diseases
传播艾滋病 and spread AIDS.
因为是同性恋者 变性人和性少数者 That gays, transgenders and sexual minorities
使艾滋病在社会上流行蔓延 spread the AIDS epidemic in society.
我们一个半月后才得以被保释 It took about one and half months for us to get bail,
在监狱里待了整整45天 we were in the prison for 45 days.
我告诉法官 I told the judge,
我的当事人被指控犯有如此严重的罪行 my clients are being accused of such a serious crime.
这种罪行是可耻的 There's a stigma attached to that kind of a crime.
是肮脏的 It is supposed to be dirty,
是对社会有巨大危害的 it's supposed to be extremely dangerous to the society,
而对这种罪行的辩解 thats the allegations that has been made against them.
说明部分警察存在一定程度的歧视 Which means this de--Fair degree of bias on part of the police
这从他们收到的投诉中也能看出来 which is already evident in the complaint.
但法律层面的偏见和歧视是不能接受的 Bias on the part of the court is something which is unacceptable.
最后巡警的罪行被曝光了 A result ant-effect was that the inspector was exposed.
我们盘问了他四天 We cross examined him for four long days.
他甚至哭了 He was crying.
我们告诉他你无法逃脱罪责 We pushed him that you cannot do something and get away with it.
所以Madhumita案是一个成功的案例 我们使他们得以无罪释放 So Madhumitas case was a classic case,we got an acquittal.
Kokila和Madhumita跟我谈了许久 Kokila and Madhumita talked to me at length
而他们在影片中的证词 and their testimonies in this film are only a small part
只是他们因自身的性别认同和性取向 of the violence and humiliation they faced,
所受到的暴力和羞辱中的一小部分 because of their gender identity and sexual orientation.
警察的昏庸和法律系统的冷漠 The insensitivity of the police and the apathy of the legal system
让所有人都无比心寒 sends a chill down anyones spine.
我很高兴Kokila和Madhumita能勇敢地站出来 通过起诉他们 I was happy that both Kokila and Madhumita managed to bring the culprits to book
将罪犯绳之以法 by filing cases against them,
但我遇到的另一起恶性暴力案件 but there's one case of severe violation I came across,
受害者甚至没能幸存下来 讲述他或她的遭遇 where the victim didnt survive to tell his or her story.
案件发生在金奈 2006年 一位名叫Pandyan的21岁拾荒者 In Chennai, in 2006,Pandyan, a young 21-year-old ragpicker
遭遇了极端的非人折磨 仅仅因为他是穷人 had to face extreme torture,because he was poor,
因为他未受过教育 且身体孱弱 because he was uneducated,because he was effeminate.
他住在棚屋里的妹妹ayalakshmi His sister, Jayalakshmi,living in a hutment on the streets,
告诉了我他悲惨的遭遇 told me his tragic story.
我们三姐妹和哥哥相依为命 We are three sisters and one brother.
没有其他的家人 We don't have anyone else.
哥哥照顾我们 他是家里唯一的经济支柱 Our brother took care of us,he was the only breadwinner.
他是一个清洁工 打扫街道来养活我们 He was a sweeper who cleaned streets and fed us.
他穿着衬衫和短裤 不是女人的服装 He dressed in shirt and shorts,not in women's clothes.
他的外表和举止都像个男人 只是声音尖细 He looked and acted as a man,only his voice was effeminate,
在各种意义上 他都是个不折不扣的男人 he was a man in every sense.
一个巡警 Sampath 经常叫他去警局 A police constable, Sampath, would often call him to the police station.
他说我们只是让你哥哥去打扫警局 He told us we are calling your brother to sweep the police station,
而且很快会让他到警察局工作 we will get him work at the police station itself soon.
我们以为他会得到警察的保护 所以我们跟他说 We thought he will be under the protection of the police, so we told our brother
你可以在警察局工作 而不用扫大街了 instead of sweeping the streets,you can get work at the police station.
有一天我洗他的衣服 发现他的头巾上有很多血迹 One day when I was washing his clothes I found lot of blood stains on his lungi,
我问他“这是怎么回事 Pandian” I asked my brother,"What is this, Pandian?"
他说“那些警察性侵了我 He said, "The police sexually harass me,
强迫我为他们口交 force me to have oral sex with them.
如果我拒绝 他们就会把警棍塞进我的嘴里 If I refuse, they thrust batons into my mouth.
我的嘴一直在流血 全是血 My mouth has been bleeding,full of blood."
我问我哥哥“为什么你不告诉我们 I asked my brother,"Why didn't you tell us about this,
我们本可以帮你 或是找律师” we would have done something about it,got help from a counsellor"
他说“我担心我妹妹们的安危 He said, "I was worried for the safety of all of you, my sisters,
我不想让你们陷入麻烦 所以我没说 I didn't want you all getting into trouble, that's why I kept quiet.
我没告诉任何人 是我的错 I didn't tell anyone,that was a mistake I made.
好几个晚上 那些警察把我拖走 强迫我和他们性交 The police dragged me away many nights and forcibly had sex with me
一次又一次 无数次 我再也受不了那种疼痛 repeatedly, several times,I couldn't bear the pain.
五个男人一个接一个地轮奸了我 Five men used to gang rape me repeatedly one after the other.
我再也忍受不了了 我要崩溃了 I couldn't stand the pain.I am totally wrecked."
有一天晚上 接近午夜 他们又一次轮奸了他 One of the nights, around midnight,they again gang raped him.
他再也无法承受了 所以他 He couldn't withstand the pain,so he set himself
在警察局自焚了 on fire at the station.
他是我们的父亲 母亲 他养活我们 Our brother was our father, mother,he took care of us.
他扫大街又怎样 是他每天给我们饭吃 So what if he sweeps streets,he gave us our meals every day.
即使他是变性人又怎样 他永远是我们唯一的哥哥 So what if he was a transgender.We had only one brother.
在这桩案子里 This was a case where
正义没能得到伸张 justice was never finally delivered.
那些警察被调走了 The constables were transferred,
政府提出给Pandian的妹妹微薄的补偿金 Pandians sister was offered a paltry compensation by the government
但她拒绝了 which she refused.
她说她只想为哥哥讨回公道 She said she wanted justice for her brother.
但公道尚未到来 But that justice is yet to come.
虽然这些只是个别的受害案例 While these were individual cases of victimizations,
但激起巨大民愤的是 what sparked one of the biggest protests was the drive by Bangalore police
班加罗尔警方把所有变性人驱逐出城的暴行 to evict all transgenders from the city,
因为当局认定变性人玷污和腐化了儿童 because the authorities felt they polluted and corrupted children.
印度人民党第一次在卡纳塔克邦班加罗尔市上台时 The first time BJP came to power in Bangalore in Karnataka
我们的处境非常 非常艰难 we had a very, very bad situation.
呃 主要是换了新的内政部长 Uh, basically we had a new Home Minister, um,
Acharya 是个宣扬民族主义的狂热分子 Acharya, who was a RSS ideologue.
我们还得面对Shankar Bidari We also got Shankar Bidari,
那个以侵害人权闻名的公安局局长 who is known for human rights violations,um, as a police commissioner.
这真是一个非常糟糕的组合 It was a very bad combination.
而且Shankar Bidari想要彻底摆脱海吉拉人 And Shankar Bidari wanted to get rid of hijras,
你知道 把他们从班加罗尔市驱逐出去 you know, from the Bangalore city.
在十月十四日 On one particular day which was October 14th,
他们 there was, um,
逮捕了八个海吉拉人和七到十个穿着裤子和衬衫的跨性别者 arrest of eight hijras and some seven or ten pant shirt kothis.
在警察局 当他们质问为什么将他们带来时 In the police station, when they asked why have you have brought us here,
警察就开始殴打他们 the police started beating them up.
当时大约有五十人 And at that point of time there were around 50 people
聚集在警局外 gathered in front of the police station,
抗议 请求 质问 protesting, requesting, asking,
质问他们为什么被捕 they were asking why they were arrested inside.
他们被用警棍殴打 They were beaten up,they were lath charged
被性侵犯 and sexually abused.
打倒班加罗尔警察 打倒班加罗尔警察 Down with Bangalore Police!Down with Bangalore Police!
我们想曝光发生在班加罗尔的一切 We want to highlight over here, uh,what has happened in Bangalore basically
这是我们最主要的目的 同时也为了反对377条 the-- That's the basic aim and also to talk about Section 377.
整个社区都饱受骚扰 The entire community is being harassed over there,
他们 他们正在被殴打 they are-- They are being beaten up.
这是赤裸裸的暴力 他们受到来自普通人和警方的侵害 There's violence, there's harassment from the common man and from the police
而社交媒体却不断报道他们的负面新闻 and the media is writing negative stories about them.
所以我们要曝光这一切 So we want to highlight that.
与警方和社会体制的直接对峙 A direct confrontation with the police
确实产生了效果 and the system, did bring out results.
负责班加罗尔事件的官员 The officers responsible for the Bangalore incident
不是被卸职 就是被调走了 were either taken off duty or transferred.
民间越来越高的呼声 The rising voices on the ground level
确实传递到了中央政府 did reach the ears of the central government.
一旦政府的一个部门感到了威胁 While one department of the government felt threatened,
其他的部门就会站出来支持 the other came out in support.
印度工会提交了两份书面文件 一份来自卫生部 Union of India filed two affidavits,one by the Ministry of Health
含蓄地声明了337条例 which broadly made the point that 377, um,
阻碍了艾滋病的干预措施 impedes HIV/AIDS interventions
而另一方面 内政部采取的态度是 and the Home Ministry on the other hand took the line that, um...
法律必须切实到位 the law needs to be in place
因为印度没有什么所谓的同性恋 because there are no gays or lesbians in India
而法律必须捍卫公共道德 and the law is necessary to protect public morality.
我们成功将政府分为了两派 We managed to split the government.
我们设法让卫生部出具了一份证明 We managed to get the health ministry to give a certificate saying
指责现行的法律是荒谬的 that this law is ridiculous,
法律不应涉及到这个所谓不存在的群体 you cant reach this so called invisible population.
每一个部门都在被游说 There was lobbying on every sector.
为此 必须向所有非政府组织脱帽致敬 And for that you have to say hats off to all the NGOs.
如果你放眼全国 看看过去二十年来发起的运动 If you look across the country and if you look at the last 20 years
印度所有的LGBT运动 of movement,of the LGBT movement in India,
都是围绕两个至关重要的问题展开的 it rallied around two vital issues.
一个是针对性行为的非刑事化 即废除第377条 One was decriminalization of sexuality that is reading down of Section 377
而另一个 是提供医疗服务 and second,was providing health services
对男男性行为者 变性人 男同群体 你知道 to MSM, transgender,gay community, you know.
围绕这两个焦点 So these were two focal points around which
LGBT运动在全国动员展开 the LGBT movement mobilized in the country.
在诉讼过程中发生了一件非常重要的事情 A very important thing happened during the course of the proceedings
自2001年起 from 2001 onwards.
这件事在新闻界被广泛议论 The matter was talked about in the press.
过了一段时间 人们也开始讨论 And over a period of time we started to have people talking about it,
And over a period of time ， a start of people talking about it,
母亲 父亲 孩子等 mothers, fathers, children, etc.
因为有了更好的沟通 我们开始 Because of the better communication,we could start engaging
正因为这种更好的交流 我们能开始 Because of the better communication, we could start engaging
以更好的方式与媒体沟通 with the media in a much better way.
与社交媒体建立更友好的关系 with the media in a much better way.
随着更加深入的了解 媒体的基调发生了变化 And because of that media engagement,the tone of the media changed
由于有了媒体的参与 媒体的基调开始变化 And because of that media engagement, the tone of the media changed
从负面的基调到积极正面的基调 from something sensation less to something positive,
从不那么轰动 变为积极 from something sensation less to something positive,
甚至表现出对我们的支持 something supportive.
变得支持 something supportive.
从抨击男同 抨击社区 抨击同性恋 From gay bashing, community bashing,homosexual bashing...
从男同性恋抨击 群体抨击以及同性恋抨击 From gay bashing, community bashing, homosexual bashing...
到抨击警察的暴行 to police bashing for the kind of atrocities the police were doing
到警方一度通过暴行进行打击 to police bashing for the kind of atrocities the police were doing
成为了媒体的基调 became the tone of
变成媒体的新闻报道 became the tone of
这是一个巨大的转变 the media's coverage.And that was a enormous change.
这真是巨变 the media's coverage. And that was a enormous change.
媒体已经报道了听证会 报道了法庭判决 The hearings have been concluded. It has been posted for-- For judgment
那些报道就是所有我们想说的 and we-- We really can't say anything other than that.
我们对于法官可能说什么 We're cautiously optimistic about what the
和听证会的走向 judges might say, based on the way the judges--
保持谨慎的乐观态度 The hearings went.
法官很开明 善于倾听 也体谅他人的感受 The judges were very open minded, very receptive and very empathetic.
这些给我的印象很深刻 That's the point which I think, uh,comes across very strongly.
如果你能听到Shahor法官和Muralidhar法官发言 If you heard Justice Shahor Justice Muralidhar,
他们都毫不含糊的表达自己对LGBT人的同情 um, they had a certain sense of empathy for the sufferings of the LGBT persons
这真的让人印象深刻 and that came across very strongly.
它不像你正和一个不理解这些问题的 It wasn’t like you were making an argument
某个抽象的法庭争论 to an abstract court which didn’t understand these issues
但是这个法庭更像被个调整过的 It wasn’t like you were making an argument
一个很人性化的法庭 It wasn’t like you were making an argument a very-- At a very human level.
所以我觉得有理由保持谨慎的乐观 So I think there's
当你如此坚信某事 When you believe in something so passionately
你知道自己是对的 and you know you are in the right direction
正义站在你这边 and justice is on your side, there is no way you can think
你自己会输 that you're going to lose.
现播报重磅新闻 印度同性恋权利运动 The breaking story at this hour, a huge victory
通过一个里程碑意义的决议 for Indias gay rights movement
取得了一次伟大的胜利 in a landmark judgment, the Delhi High Court
德里高等法院今天宣布 today has declared that consensual sex
成年同性恋的两厢情愿的性行为是合法的 among gay adults is legal and therefore not punishable
所以根据印度刑法第377条不应受处罚 under Section 377 of the Indian Penal code.
电影制作人Sridhar Rangayan Filmmaker, Sridhar Rangayan,
正庆祝此刻的自由 celebrates this moment of freedom.
Sridhar 20年前出柜 Sridhar came out of the closet 20 years ago,
我终于能说 是的 我不以我是同性恋为耻 I finally say that, okay, I am not ashamed to be gay.
我不必紧插大门 也不用害怕 I don’t have to bolt my door and be afraid.
我和其他异性恋一样正常 I can be as normal as any heterosexual person, you know.
尽管德里高等法院的决议 While the Delhi High Court order
只在首都有效力 is restricted to the capital,
活动家们希望德里能为其它城市 activists are hoping that it will set a precedent
-树立一个先例 -我当时在法庭 - in other cities. - I was in the court...
当时觉得很不可思议 and it was very bizarre because when they were
因为当他们宣读判决时 reading out the judgment
我听不清楚 所以不是很确定 I couldn’t hear properly, so I wasn’t sure.
然后我突然听到这些 Then suddenly I heard this, you know,
很激动 我记得我问别人 ooh, excitement and I remember asking someone,
“他说的什么 他说的什么” "What did he mean, what did he mean?"
他们说 “天啊 已经合法化了” So they said, "Oh, my God, it's been decriminalized," and I said,
我说 “真的吗 你确定吗 不不 这是真的 ” "Really, are you sure? No, no, it cant be, it cant be!"
有种想在法院里面欢庆的感觉 There was a sense of...
当时法院里面的人相互拥抱 great celebration within the court where people were hugging and--
有欢笑 有泪水 And hugging each other. There was laughter, there was tears.
眼泪一直往下流 The tears were just flowing, you know, there was like no
简直无法抑制自己的泪水 stopping them and it was so moving and it was just
这简直是我人生中最快乐的一天 literally, yeah,one of the happiest days of my life.
我当时在曼谷 I was in, um, Bangkok
刚从德里回来 就在曼谷机场 and I was just coming back and at the airport
我碰见一个BBC的人 我直接震惊了 I was caught by the BBC guy and I was just stunned!
我现在在卢克 I was here in Luck now, I was in Luck now.
事实上 我当时是通过朋友 Actually, I knew that the judgment was coming at, um...
在判决前一天知道马上要判决了 been called the day before by friends,
那朋友说 “来德里吧 它将” who, uh, said,"Come to Delhi, it's going to..."
我说 我更愿意在这里 And I said, "I'd rather be here,
庆祝的人已经足够多了 there's enough people to celebrate.
应该有人留下来 We should -- Someone should stay back and remember the people
怀念那些不在场的人 who were not here...
那些已经去世的人 who are no longer alive." Mm-hmm.
来自新德里街头的庆祝 Celebrations on the streets of New Delhi.
这里的人们 People here are rejoicing over a...
正为了这条判决而欢庆 What the judgment has done per se,
就是这个判决 使得在该条款下 it has made, in this particular section,
成人私下里自愿的性行为不再是犯罪 adult consensual sex in private not a crime.
已经完全清楚了 It’s really done
所以 如果我是男同性恋 跨性别者 异性恋者 So, if I am a gay man, transgender, heterosexual,
只要我是公认的成年人 what I do in my sexual practices in private...
我私下里的性行为 provided I am an adult with consent,
政府无权干预 that is not the business of the state.
隐私 Privacy...
隐私并不仅仅有关家里的卧室 uh, is not only about, you know, the bedroom or the house.
隐私是更深层的概念 Privacy is a much deeper, uh, uh, concept
这个概念关乎到人的尊严 which is about a person’s dignity.
我们知道审判官Shah的想法很先进 We knew that Justice Shah was very progressive in his thinking,
但是我认为他比我们想象的更先进 but I think he went way beyond what we expected.
他成功的传达了该权利是普世的 He managed to communicate that it is part of a universal
或者属于更广义的人权 or a wider human rights discourse.
他提到了Jawaharlal Nehru（印度开国总理）， And that was powerful
这是非常有影响力的 when he read Jawaharlal Nehru.
这展示了法官拥有一定程度的想象力 That shows a certain kind of level of the imagination that the judge had,
这种想象力体现在他能发挥想象 where he was able to connect it up to his vision of
设想我们希望生活在一个怎样的国度 what kind of a country, what kind of a nation we want to live in.
所以 很显然法官们远比我们所说所想 So, clearly they've gone way, way beyond what we--
做的更多 we have said and we thought.
有四个概念 The concept which forms the basis of Naru’s judgment
促成Naru’s审判 consists of four grounds.
尊严 隐私 平等 不歧视 Dignity, privacy, equality and non-discrimination.
第15.2条 即 不歧视是最令人信服的理由 Article 15.2 that is non-discrimination was the most compelling ground.
第15条禁止以如下为理由的歧视 Article 15 prohibits discrimination on the ground of, uh...
这些理由包括种族 种姓 性别 出生地等 race, caste, sex, place of birth, etc.
讲真 这个问题关乎 Really, the question was whether the -- Whether sex would--
“性”这个术语是否包括性取向 Term "sex" would include sexuality.
随之而来审判有 And then following various judgments of Canadian Supreme Court and the...
加拿大最高法院和南非法庭的审判 And, uh, the South African courts, we held that the sexuality
我们认为性取向与性这个话题类似 is a ground analogous to...sex and therefore
因此 任何针对性取向的歧视 any discrimination on the ground of sexuality
都违反第15条 would violate Article 15.
我认为这个审判 I think the judgment...
明确了这不是某些国外的议题 made it clear that this was not some foreign agenda,
这也不是国外才有的现象 this was not some foreign phenomenon
实际上 我们住的小区就有同性恋 and that we actually had gay people in our own community.
在2009年第377条被宣读时 我在金奈 In 2009 when 377 was read down, I was in Chennai,
我在读高中 I was doing my high school and, uh...
有种声音传来 And there's a sound
说那个时候高等法院的所有处理 of the whole deal with the High Courts verdict was
非常乐观 我觉得我在那里时目睹了 very positive at that time and I think I witnessed
金奈的第一次彩虹骄傲游行 Chennais first Rainbow Pride Parade when I was there.
就在这些诉讼开始的前一周 My parents found out I was gay at...
我父母发现我是同性恋 Just the week before the proceedings began.
我在杂志上发表的一篇文章被他们发现了 Uh, I had done a piece in a magazine and they-- They found it.
为了治疗 I was taken to a mental professional, psychiatrist.
我被送去看心理医生 Um... you know, in...To... To find a cure.
心理医生问我 你知道为什么来这里吗 So, the psychiatrist asks me, "Do you know why you're here?"
我说 不知道 And I say, "You know, I have no idea."
他说 你来这是因为你是同性恋 He says, "Well, you're here because you are gay,
你的下丘脑可能有肿瘤 you could have a tumor in your hypothalamus
这导致你成为同性恋 which is causing you to be gay."
他说到这我就笑了 然后他继续说 At which point I start laughing and then he goes...
你不相信我 也可能你血液中的 "Yeah, well you don’t believe me, there’s also the fact that you could have
荷尔蒙不平衡 some hormonal imbalance in your blood stream
或者你有些心理扭曲 or you could have some other kind of mental disorder which is causing you
导致你成为同性恋 他说的这些话让我恼火 to be homosexual. That’s when I get exasperated
我拿出手机说 and I take out my phone and I say,
“先生 告诉你 我已经录下了整个谈话” "So, sir, just so you know,I have recorded this entire conversation."
他说 “你为什么这样做” He says, "Why would you do that?"
我说 只要我因为医疗事故 And I say, "This is for the FIR that I am going to file against you,
和情绪困扰而离开 as soon as I step out right now for medical malpractice
这将是对你提起索赔的第一次调查报告 and emotional distress."
他笑坏了 然后说 And he just, you know, he flips out and he goes,
“我不知道你在说什么” "Oh, you know, I don’t know what you are talking about
他看了看我父母说 and he looks at my parents and he says,
“你们的儿子实际是妄想型精神分裂症” "You know, your son is actually a paranoid schizophrenic,
这就是他行为如此奇怪的原因 That’s why he is behaving so strangely. "So...
我直接走出来说 我受够了 I just-- I walked out, said, "I've had enough of this."
我基本上 I have been pretty much...
已经出柜了 out there. I never made any kind of,uh...
我从未试图隐藏自己的性取向 efforts of concealing my sexuality.
我认为这是我们给自己找的大麻烦 I think it's a huge fuss that we ourselves create.
我们越想对自己隐瞒性取向 The more we try to conceal it to ourselves,
出的问题就越多 more problems we have,uh, dealing with it.
我计划了件大事 就是向我的朋友出柜 I made a big plan about, like,coming out to my friends
我打给最好的朋友 告诉了他 and so I called my best friend over, I told him, like, "Okay, dude,"
我原本以为 他会像这样说 like, I thought, like,he's going to be like
“兄弟 我之前不知道” 或者之类的话 "Oh dude, I didn’t know that," and stuff like that.
当我向他出柜时候 And when I came out to him he is like,
他说 “我该做些什么呢” "So, what should I do?"
我就像在说 “我非常生气” And I’m like, "Im so offended,
“拜托 你至少该表现的有点震惊或者类似的” come on, you should have some shock or something like that!"
他说 “好好 我能接受呀” And he was like, "Okay, okay. I’m fine with it," and I'm like...
我当时是唯一的 那个词叫什么来着 And I was the only, uh, what do you say? Non-straight guy in my group,
这帮人里的非直人 还如此炫耀自己的性倾向 so flaunting my orientation.
我那时开始意识到 我是谁 我的感觉如何 I started, you know, realizing what I am, what my feelings are.
这是我向他们出柜的原因 我妈妈问我 That's why I told them. My mom told me,
你会表现的女性化 "So, what, are yo-- So you're--You're feminine,
打扮的像个女孩或像个女孩那样出门吗 you dress up like a girl and you go around like a girl?"
我说 “不 那不是我 不是这么回事” I said, "No, that’s not what I am. That's not the thing."
“我喜欢做自己” I am-- I mean,I'm-- I like the way I am and I am...
“我很满意自己现在的样子” I’m comfortable with the way I am \
“我不会打扮的像个女孩” And I don’t dress up like a girl.
我父亲过来说了句很专业的术语 “你是gay咯” My dad came up with this term, "So are you gay?"
我说“是的” “是的 我是” I said, "Yes!" "Yes, I am."
我在2009年遇到我的男友后 I came to terms with my sexuality in 2009
了解到“性倾向”这个词 after meeting my boyfriend.
他不仅是我的男友 还是我的导师 More than a boyfrievnd, he is my mentor.
如果法律改变 我绝对会和Vikranth结婚 If ever the law changes, I'll certainly marry Vikranth.
在最近的骄傲事件过后 我向父母出柜了 Uh, after the recent pride event I came out to my parents,
我父母接受了我 Vikranth的家人也接受了他 they have accepted me. Vikranth's folks have also accepted him.
现在我们都自由了 We're both free birds now.
实际上 我很希望跟一个女孩结婚 Actually I am very keen to marry a girl.
因为我自己就是个男的 I'm not interested in marrying a guy
所以我对和一个男的结婚并不感兴趣 since I'm a guy myself,
我就想 我怎么可能和男的结婚呢 how can I marry another guy? That's what I think.
我有个女友 我和她结婚了 I have a girlfriend. I am married to her,
我们在一起 她还说 we stay together. She also says,
“我们已经结婚了 我们是异性恋 ” "We are married, we are heterosexuals,
还说“我是男的” that I'm a man."
我不常带她出去 所以她不开心 I don't take her out much, so she is not happy.
她在等我做变性手术 She is waiting for me to have my SRS,
这样我们就能经常一起出去 so we can go out often.
如果我能做变性手术 我就会很开心 I will be happy if I can have my SRS soon,
这样我就能和她一起散步 so I can roam around with her.
当我们讨论到在印度的跨性别者 When we talk about how, uh, you know a trans person
或海吉拉（指太监 双性恋者和跨性别者） or hijra person
该是什么样子 should look like in India.
一般来说人在公共场合 People...in general, in public...
对他人会更尊重 若有个身着纱丽服海吉拉 accept-- Have more respect for people-- A hijra who's in saree
或者一个像我一样穿着牛仔裤和T恤的人 and somebody who in jeans and t-shirt like me,
他们会想 她肯定是一个 they'll think, "Oh, she must be a...
说点类似的非常不好笑的话 Said some kind of thing which is not really funny,
“你真的不是海吉拉吗” 或“你是谁” "Are you really hijra?"Or, you know, "Who you are?"
新的一代人大批的出柜 The new generation was coming out in hordes,
但是上代人更加怀疑出柜这件事 but the past generation people were more skeptical about coming out,
上代人就是这么觉得 past generation people felt that
Siras教授的案例是例子之一 and one of the cases was Prof. Siras case. I mean, you know,
Siras觉得他不能独自出柜 he felt that, uh, he couldn't come out, I mean, on his own,
他表达不了自己 他曾因为这事被迫出柜 he couldn’t express himself. He was outed by this thing
这对他来说是个创伤 and it was quite a trauma for him.
Siras教授被驱逐出家门长达20年 Professor Siras banished from his home for 20 years,
著名的阿里格尔穆斯林大学 the prestigious Aligarh Muslim University.
他的罪行是他敢和另一个男人上床 His crime, he dared to have sex with another man.
实际上 几个印度媒体人进入Siras教授的房间 Basically, couple of media persons entered the- The room of Prof. Siras
他们带有点威胁迫性质的拍摄他 and they kind of threatened him and then kind of filmed him
这就导致了 and, uh, basically that...
情况恶化 resulted in a- In a- In a aggravation of circumstances,
使得学校不但不支持他 where the university instead of supporting him,
还把他驱逐出学校 expelled him from--From the university itself.
这有点侵犯我的个人隐私 It is a kind of, uh, I mean, uh,an encroachment
和个人自由 on my personal--Personal privacy and freedom.
我以这些感觉和发生的这些事觉得惭愧 I am feeling very ashamed of all these things, these happenings...
因为在这之前 because nobody knowing about me...
没人知道我这些事 before this.
我们在阿里格尔穆斯林大学 We teach a community in...
教一个团体 In a university, especially in Aligarh Muslim University...
尤其是教授道德价值观 to teach... moral values.
我就觉得 这是针对我的阴谋 I just judge it as a...Some kind of a conspiracy against me...
因为我是部门负责人 because I am the chairman of the department
我的负责人身份因此被剥夺 and, uh, my chairmanship has gone with this.
学校做的完全不合法的 What the university had done was completely illegal.
他们没有解雇Siras教授的依据 Where they didn’t have a basis to dismiss Prof. Siras,
但仍然解雇了Siras教授 yet they dismissed Prof. Siras.
他们完全是按他们个人的道德观念行事 And they done it purely on notions of their own-- On notions of morality.
有趣的是 Anand Grover把该案移交到 What was interesting was Anand Grover took the matter
阿拉哈巴德高等法院 to the Allahabad High Court and got a great order
然后得到了高等法院的重要决议 -from the Allahabad High Court. - We argued that, uh,
我们通过写请愿书据理力争 by way of a writ petition,
事实是377条已经不再属于刑法 that this-- This many proceedings are unsustainable.
因此很多诉讼是不成立的 In the other fact that 377 is no longer a criminal law.
从某种意义上说 377条不适用于 In the sense that 377 does not apply
德里高等法院对于私下里两厢情愿的 in accordance with Delhi High Court judgment to adults having
成年人之间的性行为的判决 sex in private by consent. And the judge agreed with us.
该案件的好事是 The good thing about that case was that it immediately
它很快验证了之前的审判 tested the judgment
因为最终阿拉哈巴德高等法院 because eventually the High Court, Allahabad High Court,
基于德里最高法院的判决 set aside his, uh, dismissal
驳回诉讼 on the basis of the Delhi High Court judgment.
此案件包含了对判决的执行 这点是很积极的 So in that case has implementation of the judgment, it was very positive.
但是让事情更复杂和难以理解的是 But where things got a little murky and where we really don’t understand,
Siras教授在收到这个决议后 is Prof. Siras after getting this order,
我觉得几乎是刚收到决议 I think almost immediately after getting this order...
就离奇的去世了 died in mysterious circumstances.
在他去世超过两天后 Mystery still shrouds the death of AMU gay professor
神秘仍笼罩着AMU同性恋教授死亡一事 more than two days after his death.
Siras教授腐烂的尸体 Ramachandras body was found yesterday evening
是昨天晚上在他校外的家被发现的 in his off-campus home in a decomposed state.
自杀还是谋杀 SUICIDE OR MURDER？
初步尸检报告显示 The initial post-mortem report shows that there were external injury marks
尸体有外伤痕迹还有蛆虫 他嘴里还有口水 on the body. It had maggots and there was a discharge from his mouth.
但验尸报告无法确定他的死因 But the post mortem report could not ascertain the course of his death.
他甚至没有意识到这一点 这是个圈套 He hadn’t even realized that it. This was a set-up,
他陷入了这个圈套 that he had been trapped into this.
这是Siras的悲剧 And this was a tragedy of..Of Siras, that...
他们找了手无缚鸡之力的受害者 they found a victim who was least equipped...
来解决此事 to deal with it.
Siras教授是印度另一类同性恋者的代表 Prof. Siras is a symbol of the other side of Gay India
他们到现在还隐藏着自己的性取向 that remains hidden and underground even today.
虽然该运动在主要地铁线里声势浩荡 While the movement has gathered momentum in the main metros,
但是小城市和城镇仍像处于16世纪 smaller cities and villages in India still live in the 16th century.
在这些地方男同性恋 女同性恋 跨性别者 Gay men, lesbian women and transgenders
被迫结婚 are forced into marriages
违背他们的意愿和异性结婚 against their will to people of the opposite gender.
LGBT人仍感觉害怕公开出柜 And LGBT people still feel afraid to come out openly
害怕寻找真爱或谈恋爱 and seek love and relationships.
我觉得像我这样的受过教育的男同性恋 I feel gay men like me and people who are educated
以及那些有能力挣钱或受过教育的人 and people who have had the where withal to earn money or be educated
需要自己认同的身份 站在政治的立场上 need to come out far more strongly in terms of, uh, their identity
坚定的出柜 而这些我都没看到 and their politics which I am not seeing.
我看到的是男同性恋躲在深柜之中 I am yet seeing gay men hide behind in their closets
非常害怕自己的生活方式 and are totally scared about, uh, their existence.
我十八九岁时 只能去特定地方见男人 When I was 18 or 19, I had to go into a particular area to meet men.
现在都不用去特定的幽会场所之类的 And now you don’t need to go into a specific cruising area
直接去上网 or whatever. You can just go on to the net,
就能见到任何你想见的人 meet anyone wherever you want to,
但你不知道这会有什么后果。 but you have no clues as to what can be the repercussions of that.
有这样的事 TV9频道在海得拉巴的 There was this, uh, TV9 issue in Hyderabad where they did this, uh, sting operation
一个男同性恋网站（罗密欧星球）设置了圈套 on a gay website, Planet Romeo,and then they had all this footage
他们对此人住处 如何召集网站成员进行录像 where this guy was,you know, calling up members
曝光了他们的名字和身份 of that website and exposing their names and their identity.
男女情事很普遍 但是现在男男情事 A boy-girl affair is common but now boy-boy affair
也成为一种时尚 has become a fashion.
在海德拉巴 同性恋文化正在急剧增长。 In Hyderabad, gay cultureis increasing drastically.
对他们来说PlatetRomeo.com很受欢迎 PlatetRomeo.com is a very popular site for them.
单单在海德拉巴就有4604个男性 Just in Hyderabad alone,there are 4,604 men messaging,
发消息 聊天 见面 享受这里的乐趣 chatting, meeting and enjoying here.
这照片里面的人叫 The name of the person in this photo is S...
他是一家著名公司的软件工程师， He is a software engineer in a prominent company,
earns good salary, lives in Miyapurand loves to go to gay parties.
TV9的媒体人 The TV 9 media people posed themselves
曾以一个正寻求约会 性爱 或交友的身份 as somebody on Planet Romeo
在罗密欧星球网站发帖子 who is seeking out for date or sex or friendship.
他们创建了账号 And they created an ID
他们联系了海德拉巴的几个人 and they contacted several people in Hyderabad.
他们开始给他们打电话 和他们聊性话题 And they started calling them and started having sex chat with them.
-你好 -你好 - Hello. - Hello.
哪位 Yeah, who is this?
你曾在罗密欧星球给我你的号码 You gave me your number on PR.
好吧 告诉我 Uh, okay, tell me.
你多大 What is your age?
-我27 -27呀 你喜欢什么呢 - Yeah, I'm 27. - Twenty-seven, what do you like?
我对意大利人感兴趣 你呢 Yeah, I'm into Italian and you?
我也是 Yeah, I'm also into Italian.
不错 Okay, okay. Good to know.
所以你 你还有其它爱好吗 So, you're..I mean, what else do you like?
你有什么床上爱好 What do -- What do you like on bed?
这个谈话荒谬到谈论我的阴茎长度 The conversations were ridiculous to the length of my penis,
或者其它类似的内容 to, you know, things like that.
这些谈话在下午7点左右被公开 And it was being shown at around 7:00 p.m. or something within.
这些家庭那时能看到 So, these fam--Families were actually seeing
相同的 裸照 这些都是私人裸照 same-sex profiles and nude pics of--And these are personal nude pics.
根据国家广播管理局和某些准则 As per the national broadcasting authority and certain guidelines
你不能上网散布这些内容 you cannot go onto the internet and broadcast,
因为这仍然属于私人空间 because that is yet a personal space. You cannot broadcast
你不能在国家电视节目上公开这些内容 that on national, uh, television.
我们把网络视为一个私人的 安全的空间 That was ridiculous because we look as internet spaces as
这是很荒谬的 private and safe spaces.
就像这个被突袭过的网站 Like this particular website
它曾被认为是私密的网站 which was raided was a private website.
所以这对该群体来说是很大的威胁 So it was-- It was a huge threat to the community.
他叫 His name is R...
他在JNTU学机械科技专业 他住在青旅 Studying M.Tech in JNTU, lives in a hostel.
在床上时你是在上还是下 Are you top or bottom?
我在上面 I'm top.
上面吗 好吧 你喜欢什么 Top? Okay, okay. What do you like?
前戏 被口交 Foreplay... and being sucked.
电视上播出了有些孩子的正脸 Some of the kids who were-Whose faces were shown on the television
这让他们觉得很丢人 went underground, they were totally embarrassed.
这在组织中引起了相当大的骚动 This caused quite a national uproar in organization. Several--
全国有几个组织进行了抗议 Several organizations around the country protested.
在契纳这里的群体 也是抗议者的一部分 So community groups here in Chenna were also part of protest.
他们在新闻俱乐部组织了一次记者招待会 They organized a press meet at the press club
谈论到为什么这是不道德的 and spoke about why this is unethical.
我们都写了抗议信 既有个人的 也有组织的 We all wrote, uh, letters of protest,uh, personal as well as organizational.
我们带着康复卡片和红玫瑰 We carried, uh, get well soon cards and we carried a rose with us
白玫瑰等类似的东西 and white roses and whatever.
我们都聚集在TV9办公室外面 And we all congregated outside the TV9 office
他们并未意料到会发生这种事 and they were not expecting something like to happen. I mean,
我们拿着骄傲旗和类似的东西站着 we were standing with pride flags and stuff like that.
负责孟买和海德拉巴的TV9频道的主管 Channel head for TV9 who handles both Bombay and Hyderabad
当时也在那里的办公室里 was there in the office.
我们把他叫出来 And we summoned him.
他出来后 And kind of he came and
我们其中几个人过去 it was some of us went in and we asked him as to
问他这样做到底是什么意思 what exactly did they mean by doing this.
然后他说了如下的蠢话 So he actually made a stupid statement
“这些内容仅是存在服务器中的原始报道” like, you know, "We had this as raw coverage in our server,
“我们甚至不知道谁编辑并上传了这些内容” uh, and we don’t even know who edited it and uploaded it."
我们说 “你是在告诉我们像TV9这样的频道 So we said, "Are you telling us that a channel like TV9
可以不经过你确认 就编辑和上传内容吗” permits editing and uploading of content without your verification?
这就是你想说的吗 Is that what you are saying?"
这不是个能让人接受的回答 And that was just not an acceptable answer.
因此 我们都提高了嗓门 So we just all raised our voices.
媒体总是一如既往的乐观 The media has been usually positive,
而某些频道和报社 but some channels and some newspapers,
尤其是地方频道和报社不顾他人感受 especially the regional ones continue to be insensitive.
他们没意识到他们在玩弄别人的生活 They do not realize that they are playing with peoples lives.
媒体有时也会相互攻击 The media also at time plays one against the other.
LGBT人反对那些反对为我们争取权利的人 LGBT voices against those who oppose the plea for our rights.
一些反对我们的人认为 And several people who oppose us thought
这是一个很好的可利用的媒体潮流 it was a good media bandwagon to ride on.
在他们的内心深处 Did they, within their hearts of hearts,
真的觉得我们应被赋予权利吗 think we should not be given our rights?
这可不一定 Not sure of that.
但反对第377条似乎是 But opposing Section 377 petition
他们为自己吸引公众注意力的好平台 seemed like a good platform to attract publicity for themselves.
在德里最高法院判决之后 After the Delhi High Court judgment,
首次反对该判决的上诉被提交 the first appeal was filed against the judgment.
该上诉是由Suresh Kumar Kaushal提出的 The appeal was filed by someone called Suresh Kumar Kaushal
他是占星家 甚至不是德里高等法院的起诉人 who is an astrologer, who was not even a petitioner for the Delhi High Court.
我们数过上次有15份 And we counted that last time there were 15 petitions,
反对德里高等法院的判决的请愿书 uh, against the Delhi High Court judgment
它们来自印度教 穆斯林 基督教正教主义团体 by Hindu, Muslimand Christian fundamentalist groups,
或Utkal 基督教基金会之类的 uh, something like, uh,the Utkal Christian Foundation,
先是Krantikari Manuvadi党 然后是Raza学院 the Krantikari Manuvadi Party,then the Raza Academy,
然后是德里儿童权利委员会 then the Delhi Commission for Child Rights.
Baba Ramdev Uh... Baba Ramdev.
没有哪个宗教的教义 None of the religious texts say
认为同性恋是正常的 that homosexuality is natural.
所有宗教都认为同性恋不正常 So according to all religions, homosexuality is unnatural.
这种事在其它生物中并未发生 除了人类 This kind of thing doesn’t happen among any creature except human beings.
在锡克教 我们绝不允许 We are not all going to allow in Sikh Dharma...
同性恋性行为和同性婚姻 the gay sexes or gay marriages at all.
很明显 政府做了个决定 而不是呼吁 The government did take a decision not to appeal, that's very significant,
因为政府意识到这个决定是正确的 because the government realized that the decision was correct.
这点是重要的因素 And that’s a very important factor.
有种观点认为我们应该 An idea was proposed that we should have an intervention
通过心理健康专业人员 老师和学者 of parents of LGBT persons
介入LGBT者的父母 by mental health professionals, as well as by teachers and academics
来支持德里高等法院的判决 supporting the Delhi High Court judgment.
我们也这样尝试且实施了 And that’s something which we tried then implementing.
我们取到了很好的反响 And we had a very, very good response.
有人问我愿不愿意成为请愿人之一 I was just asked if I would be one of the petitioners,
我说我愿意 I said yes.
我个人认为我们住在这样一个国家 I personally believe that we live in a country
这个国家应当包容每个人 that is meant to be inclusive of everyone.
我们有一部适用于所有人的宪法 We have a constitution that includes everybody.
如果我们有一部适用于所有人的宪法 And if we have a constitution that includes everybody,
就不该有某些过时的法律 there shouldn’t be some antediluvian laws
来阻挠这种情况的发生 that prevent this from happening.
我们应该生存在一个 We should be in such matters,
完全民主 自由 接纳和包容的世界。 totally democratic and liberal and accepting, and inclusive.
我们觉得有必要提高我们的筹码 We felt the need to add, you know, more weight to our side.
所以我们取得了来自相关方的请愿书 So we got this petitions from interested parties.
曾有份请愿书 So there was one petition from psychiatrists
它来自精神病学家和心理健康专业人士 and mental health professionals who said that--
他们认为有必要变动法律 That they feel this law needs to change.
一份学者做了请愿书 Uh, there was one from-- From academics
他好像是高级教授之类的 and, you know, Senior professors and things like that.
但是 最重要的一份 Uh, and the-- But the most important one
来自一个同性恋者的父母 was one of parents.
我觉得每个父母都希望他们的孩子 I think every parent want the child to...
发挥自己潜能 live up to its potential and that is possible only if
而只有父母支持孩子 保护孩子 拥抱孩子 the parents stands by the child,
孩子才有可能发挥其潜能 protects the child,embraces the child.
如果孩子感觉安全 If the child feels secure...
如果孩子的自尊得到提升 if the childs self-esteem is boosted
这样孩子就更容易面对社会 then it's easier for the child to face the society.
当Vikram走向我 问我 So when, uh, Vikram came to me and said, uh,
你愿意在请愿书上签字吗 "Will you sign the petition?"
然后我说 “这实际上是一个机会” Then I said, "This is an opportunity for me to actually
“这能让我为我的感受 我说给女儿的话 do things which I've been only feeling
和说给自己的话 做些实在的事情” and, uh, talking to my daughter or talking to myself."
所以我马上签了字 So, I jumped into it.
他们正讨论的是 The argument they were making
第377条与家庭价值观相悖 is that what is against family values is Section 377.
这对我们的对手来说是一个很好的反击 And which is a very good counter to our opponents
这些对手曾说第377条保护家庭价值观 who argued that Section 377 is what protects family values.
其实正是第377条可摧毁家庭价值观 This is Section 377 who destroys family values.
这不是关于律师如何好好工作 And it's not about lawyers doing a great job,
而更多的是关于人们如何才能 it's more about how people have been able to participate
参与到这个不断推进的过程 in this wider process.
这至少是目前为止 That's the power and strength of the--
这个过程的影响和优势 Of the process till now at least.
德里高等法院的判决是非常重要的 The Delhi High Court judgment was huge.
它成功的向性少数群体 Very successful
打开了公众健康之门 in opening up the gates of public health to sexual minorities.
医生和公众健康专业人士 For the first time, doctors,
第一次能公开的讨论肛交 public health professionals could talk of anal sex openly.
当我们在谈论一个使同性恋合法化的判决时 When we're talking about a judgment that decriminalizes homosexuality
这也支持了艾滋病项目 that strengthens your HIV programs.
之前该项目能帮助到34000人 Okay. Earlier you were reaching out to 34,000.
现如今能帮助到300000人 Today you are reaching out to more than 300,000,
五年之内能帮助到750000人 in five years time you will be 750,000 people.
能享受到服务的人数 See the number of people who are accessing services
就是你拯救的人的数目 and the number of lives that you are saving.
首先 我认为这些变化主要是针对跨性别者 Primarily, I would see, uh, the changes are predominately for transgenders.
现如今 警察暴力已经很大程度上消失了 And today to a large extent the police violence has disappeared.
我们几乎接不到报警电话 We get very, very few phone calls
甚至来自受雇暴徒的暴力现象也大大减少 and even goonda violence has reduced to a large extent.
人们突然觉得自己如此有力量 People suddenly felt very empowered.
我是指 警察曾给他们说过的所有话 I mean, you know the -- All the things that the police were actually telling them.
如“我们将根据第377条逮捕你” "We will arrest you under Section 377.
“知道你什么时候能出狱吗” Wonder when you will get out of prison?
“你不会被保释 要想出狱你只能贿赂” You will not get bailed, you'll have to give bribe and go."
以及所有他们曾说的话 All of these things that they were telling.
突然人们感觉自己有足够的力量站起来 Suddenly people felt empowered enough to stand up
并质疑警察 and start questioning the police.
“你要干什么” "What can you do?
“法院已经使我们合法化” The court has legalized us!"
由于这个判决 Because of the judgment there were so many of these young guys
很多的年轻人开始向家人出柜 who were actually coming out in their homes.
这个判决也让他们无惧那个罪名 So they were not afraid on that count either. Like, you know,
就像“如果你想在我家尖叫 那就去吧” "If you would like to squeal at my home, do so."
这有什么大不了的吗 How does it matter?
同性恋的民主化是一个非常受欢迎的变化 The democratization of queer voices is a very welcome change.
它使我们的问题主流化 It has mainstreamed our issues.
大众 尤其是地铁里的人 似乎都意识到 People in general, especially in the metros, seemed to realize that
男同性恋 女同性恋 双性恋 跨性别者 gay, lesbian,bisexual, transgender people
终究并不坏 are not so bad after all.
在我们的社会中他们都是“正常人” They are "normal people" within our own societies.
现在外界更多的人向媒体发声 Now there are more people out there, more people talking to the media,
很多事 很多年轻人跳出固定思维 more events, more youngsters thinking out of the box.
但每个人都在密切关注着 But everyone is keeping a keen eye
法庭内部发生的事 on what is happening inside the courtroom,
他们正在等待最高法院 they are waiting for the Supreme Courts final seal of approval
对支持德里高等法院裁定的最终批准 of upholding the Delhi High Court verdict,
这样我们就能争取更多的权利 so that we all can push for many more rights.
如 婚姻权 收养权 继承权 Right to marry, right to adopt, right to inherit,
以及完全自由的权利 right to be completely free.
现在很难说 When they will come out with the judgment in something like this
他们什么时候能宣布相关结果 is very, very tough to say.
Singhvi 法官会在2013年年底退休 Justice Singhvi retires 2013 end,
所以我们希望在他退休之前得到判决 so we hope we get judgment before that.
他们似乎很明白该条款属于殖民地法 Well, they seemed to appreciate the point that, uh, it's a colonial law.
他们似乎很明白这点 They seemed to appreciate the point
在印度文化和传统中 that within Indian culture and tradition
没有对同性恋定罪 There's no criminalization of homosexuality.
这点似乎是非常非常有力的一点 That point they seemed to be a very, very strong one.
他们似乎很清楚 在当今时代 And they seemed to be clear that this law doesn't have logic
该法律不合逻辑或不合理 or rationale in today's day and age.
但是与该群体的联系以及它如何影响该群体 But the link to the community and how it affects the community
这才是他们不确定的事 that they weren’t convinced by.
因为不存在这样的群体 Because there is no community.
有海吉拉的群体 但是有男同性恋的群体吗 There's community of hijras, but is there a community of gay men?
现在仍然在动员 而这需要一些时间 It's still mobilizing. And that's going to take some time.
但是此刻最高法院 But at the moment the Supreme Court has got the...
持有明确的观点 pulse very cleverly.
最高法院指出 It says this,
“我们知道这种行为的存在” "We understand this behavior exists,
“我们知道这是怎么回事” We understand this is going on,
“但是 这是个受侵害的群体吗” but are you a community aggrieved?"
最高法院也可以淡化判决 The Supreme Court can also water down the verdict,
我是说 最高法院有可能赋予我们基本的合法化 I mean, it's possible the Supreme Court may give us basic decriminalization.
法院可能忽略其它的事宜 It may take off the other stuff.
最高法院甚至可以说 此事事关重大 The Supreme Court can even just say that, you know, this is too big an issue,
我们不想处理此事 我们要把它交给议会 We don't want to touch it. We're going give it to Parliament.
那样会很糟糕 但也完全有可能 That will be awful but it's -- It's entirely possible.
现在是头条新闻 这对印度的男同性恋 Top story right now, dealing a severe blow
女同性恋 跨性别者都是严重的打击 to the gay, lesbian and transgender community in India.
最高法院的宣布如下 成年人自愿的同性性行为 The Supreme Court has said that gay sex between consenting adults
仍属于犯罪行为 remains a criminal offense.
今天最高法院驳回了德里高等法院的判决 Supreme Court today has set aside the judgment of the Delhi High Court
最高法院认为 依据宪法 该条款是有效的 and the Supreme Court has dealt that it is constitutionally valid
它还补充道 and it has further said that--It has further said that
印度联邦 the Union of India,
如果他们想把它从他们的法典中删除 If they want to delete it from their statute book,
他们有这样做的自由 they will be at liberty to do so.
我们仅被通知了决议的执行部分 We've only been read out the operative part of the order.
我们并没有全文 We don't have the full text.
我们将在通读判决全文后做出选择 We will read the text of the judgment and decide our options.
我觉得不仅仅与LGBT群体有关 I think more than just the LGBT community is concerned,
这个决议的优先 what this decision precedence
是对深层宪法价值观的背叛 is a betrayal of deep constitutional values,
是对人人平等 宽容的价值观的背叛 the value of equality, the value of tolerance for all persons
是对多数不歧视少数价值观的背叛 and the value that majorities don't discriminate against minorities.
法院实际上为了扩展法律 The court actually does innovative interpretation
做了创新性的解释 to extend the law. In this case
在本案中该法的拓展解释被驳回 an extended law has been constricted back.
这完全违背了 That is completely against the ethos and grain of
印度最高法院所象征的精神和主张 what the Indian Supreme Court stands for.
我们对判决感到很愤怒 We are very angry with the verdict,
我们从未想过 we never thought that
法院将彻底推翻德里高等法院的判决 the court will sweep away the Delhi High Court verdict completely.
我不知道 我现在非常震惊 I dont know. I mean, I'm in a state of...
说实话 我都不知道作何反应 shock. I honestly...I dont know how to react.
我们很生气 很受伤 We are all very angry, very hurt.
对我们而言 今天是伤感的一天 And this is a very emotional day for us.
是黑暗的一天 A black day for us.
如果我爱某人 想和他在私下里 If I love someone and want to have a sexual relationship with him
不打扰他人情况下 在我家发生性关系 in my own house,in privacy, without disturbing anyone,
这是我的权利 这是属于我的爱的基本权利 that is my right. It is my basic right to love,
而我们的这些权利被否决 which is what is being denied for us.
像我一样 有能力向父母出柜 Youngsters like me who were
但早先隐瞒性取向的年轻人 able to come out to our parents...
会再次继续躲在深柜之中 but who earlier used to hide it, will now once again remain closeted.
我们回到 We go back...
我们回到法庭 别无他法 We go back to the courts. There's no other way.
我是说 我不觉得议会将处理此事 I mean, I don't think Parliament is going to take this up.
我们将不得不重新提交给法庭 We will have to take it back to the courts.
在通读所有判决之后 After we have read the entire copy of the judgment, we will be
我们将考虑各种现有的可行策略 thinking of all the strategies that are available to us.
这些策略包括示威 抗议 They include the whole...picketing, protests,
街头口号 法律策略 Sloganeering on the streets type of things,
采取政治立场等一系列化的事情 to legal strategies to go into like,you know, taking a political stand on it.
走向国际 利用人权 Going international, using Human Rights, um...
国际上可用的途径 Avenues that are available internationally.
所有这些都是可行的策略 All of those are strategies which are available,
都是我们可以利用的 我们将全力以赴 Which we will exploit. We'll exploit to the hilt.
斗争不会结束 We are-- This fight is not going away.
我认为 应该用毫不含糊的语言 I think, demonstrate in unambiguous terms
说明为什么该判决是错的 why this judgment is wrong.
展示的清晰 响亮 人们才能听到 Demonstrates so clearly and so loudly that people will hear us.
我们需要团结起来 我们需要动员起来 We need to come together. We need to mobilize.
我们要把今天定为黑色的一天 We need to make -- Mark this as a black day.
我们要让法庭知道 We need to let the court know
这一决定 that this decision is a betrayal of what the court
是对最高法院理想化代表内涵的背叛 should id-Should ideally stand for.
让我们来问法庭一个问题 Let us ask this court one question...
如果我们不找最高宪法法院 If we do not go to the apex constitutional court
来保护我们在这部宪法中的基本权利 to protect our fundamental rights in this constitution,
我们还能找谁呢 who are we supposed to go to?
我们的最高法院 We have a Supreme Court that has forgotten how to listen
已经忘记倾听街上每个人 倾听你们每个人 to the people on the street, to every one of you.
我要提醒最高法院你们的呼吁 And I need you to remind the Supreme Court of your voice.
我要提醒最高法院你们的呼吁 I need you to remind the Supreme Court of your voice.
无论我们15岁 20岁 还是 30岁 When we were 15, 20, 25, 30 years old...
我们也是社会的一部分 我们也有权利 WE ARE ALSO PART OF SOCIETY WE ALSO HAVE RIGHTS.
不要折磨我们 DON'T TORTURE US.
我们为接受我们内心深处的自己 We fought the hardest battle of our lives,
打了一生中最艰难的一仗 to accept who we were inside our own hearts.
如果该法庭觉得它知道恐惧是什么样子 If this court thinks it knows what fear is like,
那他们就没有经历过那样的时刻 they have not lived that moment
在这个国家的每个同性恋都经历过这种时刻 that every queer person in this country has lived.
他们今天会听我们的 And they will listen to us today,
如果我们战胜了自己的恶魔 that if we survived our own demons,
我们将在这种制度中生存下来 We will survive this institution
我们将团结一致 And we will stand all united.
记住一件事 Remember one thing,
别人为法律和技术而战 They fight on law and technicality,
我们为我们的生活而战 we fight for our lives,
为我们自己 我们的尊严而战 For ourselves, our dignity.
最后 他们将没有任何东西可以反对我们 In the end, they have nothing that can stand against us for that.
哪条法律是有史以来最糟糕的 Which is the worst ever law?
377条 377条 377. 377.
哪条法律是有史以来最糟糕的 Which is the worst ever law?
377条 377条 377. 377.
-你们想要什么 -自由 - What do we want? - Freedom.
-我们将取得 -自由 - We will take. - Freedom.
-我们将夺得 -自由 - We'll snatch. - Freedom.
-我们会从你这里拿走 -自由 - We'll take it from you. - Freedom.
-我们将马上拥有 -自由 - We'll soon have. - Freedom.
随着最高法院将自愿同性性行为的非刑事化 With the Supreme Court
留给立法机关 leaving the decriminalization of consensual gay sex to the legislature,
印度政客在这个问题上到底是什么立场呢 where exactly do Indian politicians ststand on the issue?
我更倾向倾向于支持高等法院 I would agree more with the High Court.
我认为这类事应留给个人处理 Uh, I think these types of matters should be left to, uh, individuals
这些都是他们自己的选择 and these are their choices.
我们国家 This country is known...
以言论自由著称 Uh, for it’s freedom, freedom of expression.
我不支持 To discriminate against people who have a particular preference
歧视有特定喜好的人 is not something that, uh,I would advocate.
我认为 I think...
不接受此事是个错误 not accepting this is a mistake.
世界上很多国家接受同性恋 Many countries in the world have accepted
他们甚至对同性婚姻合法化 and even legalized gay marriages.
我们觉得任何违背自然的东西 We feel whatever is against nature
都不应该被社会所接受 should not be accepted by the society.
不该以民主或人权的名义对它实施合法化 It should not be legalized in the name of democracy or human rights.
重大新闻来自Sushma Swaraj 她终于公开了 Breaking news coming in of Sushma Swaraj now finally speaking out.
她说 最高法院已经表示 She says, that the Supreme Court has said
议会可以修改第377条款 that the Parliament can amend Section 377.
所以 就让政府召开一次全党会议吧 So let the government call an all-party meeting
通过该会议提出修改意见 and come up with amendments.
只有到那时 人民党才会确定自己的立场 It's only then the BJP will decide its stand.
我强烈建议政府 I would urge that the government
向最高法院申请复审 move the High Supreme Court for a review...
或者直接提交有效的请愿书 or straight away file a curative petition.
要求案件由5名法官组成的审判庭审理 Ask that the case be heard by a bench of five judges.
政府正在考虑 The government is considering all options to restore
能恢复高等法院对第377条裁决的所有选择 the High Court verdict on Section 377.
我们必须使成年人自愿性关系合法化 We must decriminalize adult consensual relationships.
方法之一就是致力于法律层面 One is to work at the legal level.
还有就是改变社会看待该问题的方式 The other is to start changing the way society looks at issues.
我们需要建立更大的联盟来解决这些问题 We need to build larger coalitions to work on these issues
因为这不仅仅是同性恋的问题 because it's not just an issue of being gay.
这是一个权利问题 It's an issue of rights
每个人作为国家公民 and everybody should have access to the same right
都应该享有同样的权利 就这么简单 as citizens of this country. It's as simple as that.
这是个人权问题 It's a Human Rights issue.
我们要自由 我们要自由 We want freedom! We want freedom!
我们要自由 我们要自由 We want freedom!We want freedom!
-我们要自由 -我们要自由 - We want freedom! - We are not criminals!
- 我们要自由 - 我们不是罪犯 -We want freedom!-We are not criminals!
-我们要自由 -我们不是罪犯 - We want freedom! - We are not criminals!
-我是同性恋 -没关系 - I am gay. - That’s okay.
-我是同性恋 -没关系 - I am a lesbian. - That’s okay.
-我是同性恋 -没关系 -I am a lesbian.-Thats okay.
-她是双性恋 -没关系 - She's a bisexual. - Thats okay.
-我是海吉拉 -没关系 - I’m a hijra. - That’s okay.
大点声 Raise your voices!
我们是一家人 We are one!
- 大点声 - 我们是一家人 - Raise your voices! - We are one!
-大点声 -我们是一家人 - Raise your voices! - We are one!
现在我不断地跨越两个世界 I now constantly straddle two worlds,
一个是痛苦世界 一个是希望世界 one of anguish and one of hope.
他们已经彻底改变了人们的思维方式 They have been sweeping changes in the mindsets of people.
但是政策制定者和司法系统 But the policy makers, the judicial system
似乎没有听到我们的呼吁 don’t seem to hear us.
对他们来说 我们是少数群体 We are for them a minuscule minority.
我们的路途现在似乎更长了 Our journey seems even longer now.
我们的梦想仍然触不可及 Our dreams still out of reach.
我们是在痴心妄想吗 Are we chasing a mirage?
我担心会再次有更多的 I am worried that the violence, the blackmail, the extortions
暴力 敲诈和勒索 will once again be on the increase.
我担心LGBT人会再次 I'm worried that LGBT people will once again have to get married
违背自己的选择而不得不结婚 against their choice
注定要过着双重的生活 and destined to lead a double life.
但我不再感到孤独和无助 But I don't feel alone or helpless anymore.
现在印度有一大群人 Now there's a large cadre of people across India
将推进这场战斗 who will take this fight forward.
我可以肯定地说 I can surely say
我们已经作为一个群体获得了自由 we have broken free as a community
我确信 很快就会有一天 and I’m certain, very soon one day, our rainbow of dignity
属于我们的尊严之彩虹将照耀在地平线上 will shine brightly on the horizon.
这是我自己的旅程 This is my personal journey.
也是一个群体挣脱束缚的旅程 But also the journey of a community breaking free.
我们必须在充满仇恨的世界里 We have to establish a home
为爱建立一个家 for love in the world of hate.
我可以用爱来填满仇恨者的心 I can fill the hearts of hatemongers with love.
那些想要夺走我们生命的人 Those who want to take our lives,
他们至少了解了我们 at least get to know us.
既然上帝都知道我们所有的秘密 When God knows all our secrets,
我们又为何要惧怕人类 why fear the humans?
只有爱 没有恨 在一个充满盲目仇恨的世界里 Only love, not hatred. In a world full of mindless hatred,
我们必须建立爱之城 逃避并不是奇迹 we have to establish cities of love. Living away is not a wonder.
走近一点 让生活变得有价值 Come closer, and make life worthwhile.