FOR TONIGHT, BUT MOST GRATEFUL
YOU SPENT THE EVENING WITH US.
WE WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW NIGHT.
♪ ♪
>> Tucker: GOOD EVENING AND
WELCOME TO
"TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT" ."
ROGER STONE WAS ARRESTED ON
FRIDAY AND CHARGEDRG WITH SEVEN
FELONIES.CH
NONE OF THE CHARGES HAD ANYTHING
TO DO WITH RUSSIAN COLLUSION OR
ELECTION MEDDLING.
BUT YOU NEVER KNOW THAT FROM THE
PENALTIES HE FACES.
IF CONVICTED, STONE COULD DIE IN
PRISON.
NOBODY IN WASHINGTON SEEMS TO
FIND THAT PUNISHMENT EXCESSIVE.
MANY HAVE CHEERED IT.N
OFFICIALLY STONE WAS CHARGED
WITH LYING, SOMETHING MOST OF
OUR POLITICAL ELITE ENGAGE IN
EVERY DAY.
HIS REAL CRIME WAS FLAMBOYANCE.
STONE HAS SPENT THE LAST 40
YEARS GIVING THE FINGER TO THE
PEOPLE IN CHARGE.
IN THE END, THEY GOT HIM.AS
THEY ALWAYS DO.
STONE'S ARREST IS ALREADY FADING
FROM THE HEADLINES, REPLACED BY
THE LATEST POLITICAL CRISIS IN
THE MOMENT OR A SKIRMISH IN THE
CULTURE WARS.
SOON WE WILL FORGET IT EVER
HAPPENED.
BEFORE WE DO, IT'S WORTH TAKING
JUST A MOMENT TO CONSIDER A FEW
BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT IT IF ONLY
BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO.
FIRST, WHY DID THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT STAGE WHAT WAS IN
EFFECT A MILITARY ASSAULT ON
ROGER STONE'S HOUSE?
STONE HIMSELF ASKED THAT
QUESTION OVER THE WEEKEND.
WATCH.
>> THE IDEA THAT A 29-MEMBER
S.W.A.T. TEAM IN FULL TACTICAL
GEAR WITH ASSAULT WEAPONS WOULD
SURROUND MY HOUSE AND I WOULD
OPEN THE DOOR LOOKING DOWN THE
BARREL OF ASSAULT WEAPONS, THAT
I WOULD BE FROGMARCHED OUT FRONT
BAREFOOTED AND HANDCUFFED WHEN
THEY SIMPLY --
CONTACTED ME.
>> AS YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY
STANDARD FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
>> Tucker: IT'S PRETTY
STANDARD, AS YOU KNOW.
BUT IS IT PRETTY STANDARD?
TO SEND DOZENS OF FEDERAL AGENTS
WITH RIFLES TO ARREST AN UNARMED
66-YEAR-OLD MAN WHO'S BEEN
CHARGED WITH A NONVIOLENT CRIME?
WELL, NO, IT IS NOT STANDARD.
IT IS SHOCKING.
ANY HONEST PERSON WHO PAYS
ATTENTION COULD TELL YOU THAT.
ROGER STONE, WHO WAS THERE, SAYS
THERE WERE 29 AGENTS ON THE
SCENE, ALONG WITH 17 VEHICLES,
TWO OF THEM ARMORED, AND A
HELICOPTER OVERHEAD.
IF THAT'S AN ACCURATE
ACCOUNTING, IT MEANS THE FEDS
SENT MORE ARMED MEN TO ROGER
STONE'S HOUSE IN FORT LAUDERDALE
THAN THEY DID TO
OSAMA BIN LADEN'S COMPOUND IN
PAKISTAN, JUST FOR SOME
PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.
WHAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR
DOING THAT?
PROSECUTORS KNEW STONE WAS NOT A
FLIGHT RISK.
HE'S BROKE.
HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A VALID
PASSPORT.
THEY COULD SIMPLY HAVE CALLED
HIS LAWYER AND TOLD HIM TO
SURRENDER.
THAT'S THE ACTUAL STANDARD IN
CASES LIKE THIS.
BUT THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
INSTEAD THEY WENT WITH GUNS
DRAWN.
WHO DECIDED TO DO THAT?
HOW MUCH DID IT COST TAXPAYERS?
WE SPENT THE LAST FEW DAYS
TRYING TO ANSWER THOSE
QUESTIONS.
IT TELLS YOU A LOT ABOUT
CONTEMPORARY AMERICA THAT WE
COULDN'T.
WE STILL HAVE NO IDEA.
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T
ANSWER US.TI
THE WHITE HOUSE, WHICH
SUPPOSEDLY OVERSEES THE JUSTICEE
DEPARTMENT, DIDN'T EVEN RESPOND.
MAYBE THEY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER
TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
POSSIBLE.
THEY DON'T CONTROL ROBERTE
MUELLER.
NOBODY CONTROLS ROBERT MUELLER.
MUELLER CAN SEND ARMED MEN TO
YOUR HOME TO ROUST YOU FROM BED
AT GUNPOINT BECAUSE HE FEELS
LIKE IT AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU
OR ANYONE ELSE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
MUELLER HAS AN UNLIMITED BUDGET
AND NO TIMETABLE.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS.
HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS
WHENEVER HE WANTS TO WHOMEVER HE
WANTS.AN
HE CANNOT BE FIRED.
MUELLER IS THE SINGLE MOST
POWERFUL PERSON IN AMERICA AND
YET NOBODY VOTED FOR HIM.
HE IS A LIVING REBUKE TO THE
PRINCIPLES OF OUR DEMOCRATIC
SYSTEM.
AT THE SAME TIME, OUR LEADERS
TELL US WE NEED ROBERT MUELLER,
ALL-POWERFUL, UNELECTED
PROSECUTOR ACCOUNTABLE TO NO ONE
TO PROTECT US FROM THREATS TO,
BRACE YOURSELF HERE, DEMOCRACY.
NOBODY IN WASHINGTON CATCHES THE
IRONY OF THIS.
MUELLER HIMSELF IS A THREAT TO
OUR DEMOCRACY, THE MOST POWERFUL
MAN ELECTED BY NOBODY.R
OUR MEDIA DON'T ASK QUESTIONS
ABOUT ANY OF THIS OR EVEN
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS A
QUESTION.
THEY HAVE CHOSEN SIDES.IO
HERE'S ROGER STONE FROM OUR SHOW
ON FRIDAY NIGHT.
>> IT'S DISCONCERTING THAT CNN
WAS AWARE THAT I WOULD BE
ARRESTED BEFORE MY LAWYERS WERE
INFORMED.
SO THAT'S DISTURBING.
IF IT WAS A DANGEROUS SITUATION
WHICH WOULD MERIT THE S.W.A.T.
TEAM, WELL, THEN CNN'S CAMERAMAN
WOULD BEH IN DANGER.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD BE
ALLOWED TO BE THERE.
>> Tucker: SO THAT'S A FAIR
QUESTION ABOUT WHO ASKS IT AND
MANY BEGAN ASKING WITHIN MINUTE>
OF STONE'S ARREST ON FRIDAY
MORNING.
HOW DID CNN KNOW ABOUT A RAID
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SECRET?
DID THEY LEARN FROM MUELLER'S
TEAM?
CNN REACTED ANGRILY TO THE
QUESTION.FR
WE ARE REPORTERS, THEY SAID.
WE ARE NOT STATE MEDIA.
WE DIDN'T COLLUDE WITH THE FEDS.
WE USED REPORTERS' INTUITION.
YESTERDAY CNN PRESIDENT JEFF
ZUCKER DISPATCHED HIS MINIONS TO
BAT DOWN FURTHER QUESTIONS ON
THE TOPIC.
>> ON THE FRINGES OF THE RIGHT,
A CONSPIRACY THEORY SPREAD AND
IT WAS ABOUT CNN AND ROBERT
MUELLER.
THAT WE WERE TIPPED OFF BY
MUELLER.
>> TO EMBARRASS ROGER STONE AND
RECORD HIS ARREST.
THEY ARE SAYING THAT IT'S
PROPAGANDA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING SOME
MAINSTREAM COMMENTATORS AND
JOURNALISTS, STARTED ASKING
QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CONSPIRACY
THEORY.
AS JOURNALISTS, WE HAVE TO BE
VERY CAREFUL NOT TO ALLOW
BAD-FAITH ACTORS TO HIJACK THE
CONVERSATION AND MOVE THE STORY
AWAY FROM WHAT IT REALLY SHOULD
BE.
>> Tucker: [LAUGHS]
SAVE THAT TAPE.
IT'S ONE FOR THE AGES.
IT SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING.
JUST TO RECAP WHAT YOU JUST
HEARD.
WE JOURNALISTS, SAYS CNN, NEED
TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE
"FRINGES OF THE RIGHT" WHO JUST
WANT TO "MOVE THE STORY AWAY
FROM WHAT IT SHOULD REALLY R BE"
IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING CNN
DECIDES.
THEY DECIDE WHAT THE STORY
SHOULD REALLY BE, AND IF YOU
DON'T AGREE, YOU ARE ON THE
FRINGES OF THE RIGHT.
IN OTHER WORDS, SHUT UP, YOU
GUYS.
STOP ASKING QUESTIONS WE DON'T
FEEL LIKE ANSWERING.
BUT THE SHOW PERSISTED BECAUSE
IT'S OUR JOB.
WE ASKED CNN'S OFFICIAL
SPOKESMAN AND THE KID THAT YOU
SAW PLAYING MEDIA REPORTER A
VERY SIMPLE QUESTION.
DID MUELLER'S OFFICE HELP YOU
WITH YOUR STORY?IA
THE RESPONSE OF COURSE, FEIGNED
OUTRAGE.
HOW DARE YOU?
YOU ARE RIGHT WING.
BE QUIET.
BUT WHEN WE KEPT PRESSING THEM,
AN INTERESTING THING HAPPENED.
THEY DIDN'T DENY IT.
TO BE TOTALLY CLEAR, HERE'S THE
SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT WE ASKED.
"DID FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICIALS CONFIRM THE RAID ON
ROGER STONE'S HOUSE TO CNN
BEFORE IT HAPPENED?"
VERY SIMPLE QUESTION.
WHEN WE PRESSED IT, CNN DROPPED
THE FAKE OUTRAGE.
THEY JUST REFUSED TO ANSWER.
BECAUSE OF COURSE CNN TALKED TO
MUELLER'S PEOPLE BEFORE THE
RAID.
THERE WAS NEVER ANY DOUBT ABOUT
THAT.
ALL THE BARKING ASIDE, MUELLER
WANTED THE RAID ON ROGER STONE'S
HOME CAUGHT ON TAPE AND PUBLICLY
AIRED AS A WARNING TO OTHER
DISOBEDIENT WITNESSES ABOUT WHAT
CAN HAPPEN TO YOU IF YOU STEP
OUT OF LINE.BO
CNN WAS HAPPY TO OBLIGE.
CNN ACTED AS THE PUBLIC
RELATIONS ARM OF THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION AS THEY HAVE
BEFORE, AND THEN THEY LIED ABOUT
IT IN THE MOST SELF-RIGHTEOUS
POSSIBLE WAY AND SENT THOSE KIDS
ON TV TO LIE SOME MORE.
IT ANSWERS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
NO WONDER CNN SEEMS SO EAGER TO
DEFEND FRIDAY'S RAID AND TO
BELITTLE AND ATTACK AND
MARGINALIZE ANYONE WHO ASKED
HONEST QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. T
NOW THEY ARE NO LONGER COVERING
ROBERT MUELLER.
THEY'RE WORKING FOR ROBERT
MUELLER AND YOU SHOULD KNOW
THAT.
KIM STRASSEL JOINS US TONIGHT.
GREAT TO SEE YOU.
BEFORE WE GET INTO WHAT WE'VE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THERE WAS
NEWS TODAY FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION THAT THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION IS REACHING ITSER
FINAL STAGE.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S TRUE, AND
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY?
>> I HOPE SO, TUCKER.
TWO YEARS OF THIS IS TWO YEARS
TOO LONG.
WE NEED SOME ANSWERS AND IT
NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SOON.
THIS COULD BE THE BESTS THING
THAT HAPPENS TO THE COUNTRY IN A
VERY LONG TIME.
IF IT IS INDEED FINISHING UP.
>> Tucker: WELL, WHAT A
DISTRACTION FROM A LOT OF
IMPORTANT THINGS THAT ARE
HAPPENING.
AS SOMEONE WHO COVERS THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE WORLD FOR A
PERSPECTIVE.
LIVING, GIVE US SOME
LATE MIDDLE-AGED GUY, NO HISTORY
OF VIOLENCE, NO PASSPORT, NO
FIREARMS IN THE HOME.
UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR OVER A
YEAR.
EMAILS AND TEXTS ALREADY IN THES
POSITION OF THE PROSECUTOR.
WOULD YOU SEND DOZENS OF ARMED
MEN TO ARREST HIM?
IS THAT NORMAL?ED
>> NO, OF COURSE NOT.
OF COURSE NOT.
OF COURSE IT'S NOT NORMAL.
AS YOU SAY, THE STANDARDO,
OPERATING PROCEDURES HERE WOULD
BE TO CALL HIS LAWYER AND ASK
HIM TO SURRENDER.
I THINK IT GETS TO THE OTHER
POINT OF YOUR OPENING AS WELL.
MR. MUELLER UNFORTUNATELY DOES
NOT ANSWER TO ANYONE.
AS A RESULT, WE CAN'T BRING UP
THESE TOPICS.
YOU CAN CALL AND ASK THE
QUESTION WHY DO YOU DO IT?
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ANSWER. IT.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO
ANYBODY IN THE END.
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT
ENDING.
WE SHOULD HOPE THAT ALL THIS IS
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
LIST OF PEOPLE HE'S GONE AFTER
AND THE CRIMES FOR WHICH THEY'VE
BEEN GONE AFTER.
NEARLY ALL OF THEM CRIMES THAT
HE CLAIMS THEY HAVE COMMITTED G
AFTER HE WAS APPOINTED AS
SPECIAL COUNSEL.
NOT ANY FOR THE TIME PERIOD
HE WAS ACTUALLY ASKED TO
INVESTIGATE, AT LEAST NOT IN
AMERICA.
>> Tucker: AS A CONSTITUTIONAL
QUESTION, HOW IN A DEMOCRATIC
REPUBLIC CAN YOU HAVE SOMEONE
WHO'S ACCOUNTABLE TO NO ELECTED
PERSON, WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE TO NO
VOTERS.IC
I THOUGHT ALL POWER IN THE
GOVERNMENT EMANATES FROM VOTERS.
BUT MUELLER STANDS APART.
HOW CAN THIS BE CONSTITUTIONALLY
ALLOWED?
>> WELL, LEGAL SCHOLARS HAVE HAD
A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THEEG
SPECIAL COUNSEL LAW FOR A LONG
TIME, PARTLY ON REASONS THAT YOU
JUST MENTIONED AND ALSO ON
ACCOUNTABILITY QUESTIONS.
LOOK, IN THEORY, HE CAN BE
FIRED, OKAY?
WHAT WE BOTH UNDERSTAND IS THAT
POLITICALLY HE CAN'T BE FIRED
BECAUSE OF THE BROUHAHA THAT
WOULD COME UP WITH ANY WERE TO
ACTUALLY TELL HIM TOOF STEP DOW.
>> Tucker: SO WHY DOESN'T --
APART FROM WHAT YOU THINK OF
TRUMP OR MAYBE YOU BELIEVE TRUMP
IS A SECRET AGENT WORKING FOR
VLADIMIR PUTIN, BUT EVENTR IF YU
BELIEVE THAT, WHY WOULDN'T --
AND YOU ARE LIBERAL, WHYN
WOULDN'T YOU BE VERY WORRIED
ABOUT A PROSECUTOR WHO IS
OPERATING WHOLLY OUTSIDE THE
SYSTEM AND ACCOUNTABLE TO
NOBODY?
IF YOU REALLY CARED ABOUT
DEMOCRACY, THAT WOULD TERRIFY
YOU, WOULDN'T IT?
>> WE HAVE SEEN THE LEFT CHANGE
THEIR VIEW ON ALL KINDS OF
THINGS, TUCKER.
THIS IS THE PARTY THAT AT
ONE POINT CARED ABOUT ABUSETH OF
LAW ENFORCEMENT TACTICS.
THEY CARED ABOUT THE THINGS YOU
JUST MENTIONED, ACCOUNTABILITY,
MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS
ACCOUNTABILITY AND DEMOCRACY AND
THAT SOMEONE HAD TO ANSWER TO
SOMEONE ELSE.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO
DONALD TRUMP, THEY ARE QUITE
HAPPY TO THROW ALL OF THAT ONWH
THE OTHER SIDE.
IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING TO PEOPLE
LIKE ME WHO'VE BEEN TRYING TO
WRITE ABOUT MR. MUELLER'S PROBE
IN AN OBJECTIVE WAY AND LOOK AT
THE EVIDENCE OUT THERE IN AN
OBJECTIVE WAY AND SAY LOOK,
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SEE WHAT
HAPPENED TO CARTER PAGE HAPPEN
TO ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BASIS OF
THE OPPOSITION RESEARCH THEY
USED?E
THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE VERY
WORRIED THAT A FUTURE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT MIGHT DO THIS TO ONE
OF THEIR CANDIDATES, AND NO ONE
SHOULD WANT THAT.
>> Tucker: I WILL DEFEND THAT
CANDIDATE IF IT EVER HAPPENS.
I MEAN IT.
I THINK IT'S VERY WRONG. W
KIM STRASSEL, THANK YOU FOR THAT
PERSPECTIVE.
I APPRECIATE IT.
MICHAEL CAPUTO WAS AN ADVISOR TO
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
HE'S HAD HIS OWN EXPERIENCES
WITH THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION.
HE JOINS US TONIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR COMING ON.
I HELD JUDGMENT ON MUELLER FOR
OVER A YEAR.
I WANTED TO THINK THE BEST,
FORMER HEAD OF THE FBI.
WATCHING WHAT HAPPENED FRIDAY AT
ROGER STONE'S HOME HAS RIPPED
THE VEIL OFF THE GUY, THAT HE IS
AN AUTHORITARIAN NUTCASE TO DO
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WERE YOU SURPRISED BY IT?
>> AFTER WHAT WE SAW THAT WENT
DOWN WITH PAUL MANAFORT, DETAIL
BY DETAIL WITHOUT ANY CAMERAS
PRESENT, IT MATCHES EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED TO PAUL.OR
I THINK JUST LIKE WHEN IT
HAPPENED TO PAUL, PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO COMPLAIN AND SCREAM TOJ
THE HIGH HEAVENS ABOUT HOW
SOVIET THIS TACTICRE IS.
IT WILL DO NOTHING.
IT WILL FALL ON DEAF EARS.
ROBERT MUELLER AND BY THE WAY
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HASEA
VERIFIED THAT THEY CAN DO THIS
TO ANYONE IN AMERICA.
I WAS SURPRISED, I GUESS, FOR A
MINUTE BUT THE ONE THING I CAN'T
FIGURE OUT IS, YOU KNOW, THE
CAMERA IS GOING TO SERVE ROGER
STONE BETTER THAN IT DOES THE
MUELLER TEAM BECAUSE LOOK WHAT
WE WERE ALL ABLE TO WITNESS.
>> Tucker: THAT'S A REALLY
GOOD POINT.
SO ARE YOU CONVINCED, AS I AM
BECOMING, THAT MUELLER DID THIS
FOR A REASON, NOT JUST BECAUSE
HE DOESN'T LIKE ROGER STONE.ID
I SHOULD NOTE I HAVE TEXTED A
LOT WITH ROGER STONE, AS MANY
PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA HAVE.
STONE WAS ALWAYS SAYING THINGS A
LIKE I KNOW MUELLER IS READING
MY TEXTS AND BEING PROVOCATIVE.
HE CLEARLY WAS READING HIS
TEXTS.
BUT THAT THIS WAS DESIGNED TO
SEND A MESSAGE TO OTHER PEOPLE
MUELLER IS INVESTIGATING THAT IF
YOU STEP OUT OF LINE, WE WILL
HURT YOU.
>> RIGHT, AND I'M A WITNESS IN
THIS JACKPOT, BUT MY ATTORNEY,
WHO IS FORMER NEW YORK STATE
ATTORNEY GENERAL, FORMER U.S.
PROSECUTOR, TOLD ME YOU CAN FLIP
FROM A WITNESS TO A SUBJECT TO A
TARGET IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE
WITH A GROUP LIKE THIS.
ANYBODY WHO THEY HAVE TALKED TO,
I THINK THERE'S -- A COUPLE
THREE DOZEN WHO THEY'VE
INTERVIEWED.
THIS WAS A MESSAGE SENT TO US
THAT AT ANY TIME YOU CAN GET A
KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR AND 29 MEN
WILL COME WITH AUTOMATIC
WEAPONS, WHICH, BY THE WAY, NOT
ONLY MORE THAN THEY SENT TO GO C
AFTER BIN LADEN, IT'S 29 MORE
MEN THAN THEY SENT TO BENGHAZI
TO PICK UP AND DEFEND OUR OWN
MEN.
>> Tucker: I'M NOT DEFENDING
PUTIN.
PUTIN HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING
LIKE THIS IN THIS COUNTRY, I
HAVE TO SAY.
WE DON'T LIVE IN TERROR OF PUTIN
DOING THIS HERE.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT?
HE DOES IT ALL THE TIME IN
RUSSIA.
FOR ALL OF US WHO HAVE BEEN
CONCERNED ABOUT RUSSIA'S
INVOLVEMENT IN OUR ELECTIONS, WE
HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WE ARE NOW
LIVING IN RUSSIA.
THIS IS WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN
DOES.
I LIVED THERE FOR SEVEN YEARS
BEFORE VLADIMIR PUTIN TOOK OVER.
IT WAS HAPPENING THEN TOO.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
>> Tucker: WELL, I DON'T WANT
TO LIVE IN THAT COUNTRY AT ALL..
>> THE ONE THING I'M REALLY
CONCERNED ABOUT IS ROGER'S
FUNDING.
THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO HELP
HIM RAISE MONEY.
ROGER STONE,OG GOFUNDME.COM.
HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP
WITH $100,000 EVERY TWO MONTHS
UNTIL THIS THING IS OVER BECAUSE
HE'S FIGHTING IT TO THE END.
>> Tucker: IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
MICHAEL CAPUTO, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
WE HAVE A FOX NEWS ALERT.
POLICE SAY FIVE POLICE OFFICERS
HAVE BEEN SHOT IN THE CITY OF
HOUSTON.
TRACE GALLAGHER'S ON THE STORY
AND JOINS US NOW.
TRACE. S
>> THIS WAS A NARCOTIC WARRANT
BEING SERVED ON A SOUTHEAST
HOUSTON HOME AND POLICE HAVE
CONFIRMED ONE SUSPECT
WAS INSIDE
THE HOME AND A NEIGHBOR SAYS SHE
HEARD AT LEAST A DOZEN ROUNDS
BEING FIRED.
HOUSTON POLICE HAVE CONFIRMEDBO
FIVE OFFICERS WERE SHOT, TWO OF
THEM ARE CRITICAL.
THREE ARE STABLE.
ALL FIVE HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO
MEMORIAL HERMANN HOSPITAL WHICH
IS A LEVEL 1 TRAUMA CENTER.
POLICE SAY ONE SUSPECT IS DEAD,
AND DESPITE NUMEROUS REPORTS OF
ONE OR MORE OTHER SUSPECTS BEING
BARRICADED INSIDE THE RESIDENCE,
POLICE HAVE NO WORD ON OTHERCT
SUSPECTS.
IN FACT, S.W.A.T. TEAMS ARE ON
SCENE USING ROBOTIC CAMERAS TO
SEARCH FOR ANY OTHER POTENTIAL
SUSPECTS.
WE SHOULD NOTE A NEIGHBOR DID
SAY EARLIER THAT HE COULD HEAR
POLICE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH
SOMEBODY INSIDE, WHICH IS NOT TO
SAY THERE WAS SOMEONE INSIDE.
ALONG WITH HOUSTON POLICE, THE
HARRIS COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC SAFETY ARE ALSO ON SCENE,
AND TEXAS GOVERNOR GREG ABBOTT
IS ALLOCATING ANY NEEDED
RESOURCES.
FIVE OFFICERS SHOT, TWO OF THEM
ARE CRITICAL.
THREE OF THEM ARE STABLE.
TUCKER.
>> Tucker: TRACE GALLAGHER,
THANKS A LOT FOR THAT SAD STORY.
THE 2020 CAMPAIGN IS RAMPING UP,
AND THE LEADING CANDIDATES ARE
RACING LEFT SO QUICKLY IT WILL
MAKE YOUR HEAD SPIN.
MARK STEYN HAS BEEN WATCHING
CAREFULLY AND HE JOINS US WITH
HIS ASSESSMENT NEXT.
>> Tucker: THE 2020 DEMOCRATIC
PRESIDENTIAL FIELD IS BIG AND
GETTING BIGGER.
KAMALA HARRIS OF CALIFORNIA HAS
TRIED TO BE THE MOST LEFT-WING
OF THE CANDIDATES.
SUDDENLY THAT'S NOT SO EASY.
HILLARY CLINTON HAS SAID SHE
HASN'T RULED OUT A RUN.
EXPECT AN ANNOUNCEMENT ANY DAY
OR A NONANNOUNCEMENT.
IN A SUNDAY INTERVIEW, THE CEO
OF STARBUCKS, HOWARD SCHULTZ,
SAID HE MIGHT RUN AS AN
INDEPENDENT.
HE WAS IMMEDIATELY ATTACKED BY
DEMOCRATS AS THE JILL STEIN
EQUIVALENT.
CHAOS, BASICALLY.
FOX WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT
KRISTIN FISHER HAS BEEN
FOLLOWING IT AND JOINS US
TONIGHT.
>> KAMALA HARRIS SPEND A LOT OF
TIME IN THE SPEECH GOING AFTER
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS
POLICIES. I
SHE CALLED HIS WALL A MEDIEVAL
VANITY PROJECT AND SHE CALLED
HIS POLICY OF SEPARATING
FAMILIES AT THE BORDER A HUMAN
RIGHTS ABUSE.
AS FOR HER OWN POLICIES, THOUGH,
SHE IS PROPOSING TAX REFORM THAT
WOULD REVERSE REPUBLICAN TAX
CUTS, CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.
SHE SAYS SHE'S RUNNING SO NO
PARENT HAS TO TEACH THEIR YOUNG
SON THAT POLICE OFFICERS AND I'M
QUOTING "STOP HIM, ARREST HIM,
CHASE HIM, OR KILL HIM BECAUSE
OF HIS RACE."
SHE ALSO WANTS UNIVERSAL PRE-K
AND DEBT-FREE COLLEGE AND
MEDICARE FOR ALL.
ON THAT LAST POINT, ANOTHER
POSSIBLE 2020 CONTENDER IS
CALLING FREE HEALTH CARE AS
FALSE A PROMISE AS THE WALL.
THE STARBUCKS BILLIONAIRE HOWARD
SCHULTZ IS INFURIATING MANY
DEMOCRATS BY THREATENING TO RUN
AS AN INDEPENDENT WHICH COULD
SPLIT THE ANTI-TRUMP VOTE AND
HELP HIM WIN A SECOND TERM.
>> I AM SERIOUSLY THINKING OF
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
I WILL RUN AS A CENTRIST S
INDEPENDENT OUTSIDE OF THE
2-PARTY SYSTEM.
WE ARE LIVING AT A MOST FRAGILE
TIME.
NOT ONLY THE FACT THAT THIS
PRESIDENT IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE
THE PRESIDENT BUT THE FACT THAT
BOTH PARTIES ARE CONSISTENTLY
NOT DOING WHAT'S NECESSARY ON
BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
AND ARE ENGAGED EVERY SINGLE DAY
IN REVENGE POLITICS.
>> SINCE WE ARE SPEAKING OF
REVENGE POLITICS,
HILLARY CLINTON MAY BE
CONSIDERING RUNNING AGAIN.
CNN IS REPORTING THAT CLINTON
HAS TOLD PEOPLE SHE'S NOT
CLOSING THE DOORS TO THE IDEA OF
RUNNING IN 2020 BUT THERE ARE
OTHER REPORTS THAT SAY THAT THAT
REPORT IS NOT TRUE.
SO IT'S STILL A LONG SHOT, BUT
TUCKER, I THINK IT IS SAFE TO
SAY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
WOULDN'T MIND RUNNING AGAINST
HER AGAIN IN 2020.
>> Tucker: THAT WOULD BE A
REMARKABLE RACE.
WE WOULD COVER THAT GLADLY.
KRISTIN FISHER, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
AUTHOR AND COLUMNIST MARK STEYN
HAS SPENT ENDLESS HOURS AT THE
DOG TRACK AND ALWAYS WINS, SO
HE'S PERFECTLY QUALIFIED TO
HANDICAP ALL POLITICAL RACES,
INCLUDING THIS ONE.
MARK, GREAT TO SEE YOU.
GOING TO RUN.>>
>> BAD MECHANICAL HILLARY IS NOT
WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE A THIRD
HILLARY CLINTON TERM.
>> Tucker: WHO JUMPS OUT?
DOES ANYONE JUMP OUT AS
INTERESTING, AS SAYING SOMETHING
UNEXPECTED?
MAYBE THE TRUMP OF THE CYCLE ON
THE LEFT.
>> WHAT'S INTERESTING I THINK
ABOUT THIS CYCLE, THAT'S ANOTHER
REASON WHY HILLARY IS ALL WRONG
FOR IT, IS THAT THIS TIME AROUND
AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR
BERNIE SANDERS HIMSELF, BUT
ACTUALLY EVERYONE IS RUNNING AS
BERNIE.AN
IF YOU LOOK AT KAMALA HARRIS'
PLATFORM, FREE PREKINDERGARTEN
FOR EVERYBODY.
EVEN IF YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD
IDEA, DO YOU WANT A SECRETARY OO
PRE-K IN WASHINGTON ORGANIZING
THAT FOR 350 MILLION PEOPLE?
THE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, THE
UNIVERSAL FREE COLLEGE.
THIS IS A PARTY THAT IS ACTUALLY
MOVING LEFT AT AN ASTONISHING
RATE, AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
NOW AND THEN WHEN HILLARY RAN IS
THAT BASICALLY EVERYONE IS
BERNIE.
EVERYONE IS BERNIE AND THERE'S
NO ROOM FOR HILLARY.AN
EVEN OLD JOE BIDEN, WHEN HE
STANDS UP THERE, HE DOESN'T EVEN
KNOW THE TERM SYSTEMIC RACISM.
HE KEEPS CALLING IT SYSTEMATIC
RACISM.
SYSTEMATIC IS WHAT SLAVERY WAS.
ALL OF THE EDITORS CLEAN IT UP
FOR HIM IN HIS SPEECH, BUT HE'S
BASICALLY TRYING TO BE
BERNIE SANDERS TOO.
>> Tucker: POOR GUY.
HE IS TOO OLD TO BE WOKE.
WHAT ABOUT BERNIE HIMSELF?
DOES HE HAVE A SHOT IN A FIELD
FULL OF LOOK-ALIKES?
>> WELL, THAT'S AN INTERESTING
QUESTION.
I HAPPEN TO BE, EVERY SO OFTEN,
IN THE ADJOINING BOOTH, IN MY
CORNER OF NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND,O
AT THE DINER TO BERNIE'S KEY
ADVISORS.
THEY ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT THAT IF
YOU ARE AS OLD AS BERNIEO AND
RUNNING AGAINST A 74-YEAR-OLD
INCUMBENT IS YOUR BEST SHOT,
IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
WHETHER THE REASON BERNIE CAN
GET AWAY WITH FULL-BLOWNN
SOCIALISM IS BECAUSE HE IS SO
OLD AND THAT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY
HANG IT AROUND SOMEONE IN THE
RELATIVE BLOOM OF YOUTH LIKE
KAMALA HARRIS, WHETHER THAT
DOESN'T ACTUALLY MAKE THE FULL
HORROR OF THE UNAFFORDABLE
LAVISHNESS OF THE PROGRAMS SEEM
MORE EVIDENT.
>> Tucker: THAT'S A DEEP
POINT.
I THINK IT'S EASIER TO TAKE FROM
BERNIE BECAUSE YOU AT LEAST SAY
WELL, HE'S KIND OF A LEGITIMATE
SOVIET.
HE'S OLD ENOUGH.BE
>> HE IS LIKE THE GENIAL OLD
UNCLE.
SEEMS LESS MENACING.
AS FOR THE STARBUCKS GUY, WHEN
POLLS ARE CLOSING IN FLORIDA AT
7:00, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE IN
AMERICA WHERE THE LINES ARE
LONGER AND SLOWER THAN
STARBUCKS.
THIS IS A NATURAL CAREER MOVE
FOR THAT GUY, I WOULD SAY.
>> Tucker: HE'S THE WORLD'S
BIGGEST OPERATOR OF HOMELESS
SHELTERS NOW.
GREAT TO SEE YOU.
>> THANKS A LOT, TUCKER.
>> Tucker: GOOD TO SEE YOU.
WE ARE OFTEN TOLD THERE ARE NO
PROBLEMS AT THE BORDER.
THERE IS NO BORDER CRISIS AND
YOU ARE A NUTCASE IF YOURE THINK
OTHERWISE.
TELL THAT TO THE LATEST MASS
CARAVAN HEADED STRAIGHT FOR
SOUTHERN BORDER.
WE WILL GET DETAILS ON THAT WITH
BUCK SEXTON AFTER THE BREAK.
TH N
AFTER THE
>> Tucker: GAVIN NEWSOM
RECENTLY REPLACED JERRY BROWN AS
THE GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA.
YOU MAYBE READ HE HAS DESIGNATED
HIS WIFE AS THE STATE'S FIRST
PARTNER.
THAT'S HOW HIP AND MODERN GAVIN
NEWSOM IS.
THAT'S NOT ALL.
HE'S ALSO DECIDING HE DOESN'T
WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOVERNOR'S
MANSION IN SACRAMENTO ANYMORE.
INSTEAD, NEWSOM IS MOVING INTO A
$3.7 MILLION ESTATE IN AN
UPSCALE SUBURB.
NEWSOM HAS KIDS AND HE CALLS THE
NEIGHBORHOOD MORE KID FRIENDLY
THAN SACRAMENTO.
THE PROBLEM IS GAVIN NEWSOM
CHANGE.
CARES DEEPLY ABOUT CLIMATE
HE SAYS THAT A LOT.
HE CARES A LOT MORE ABOUT IT
THAN YOUCA DO.
HE'S A REALLY GOODHE PERSON.
FOR AN ARDENT ENVIRONMENTALIST
LIKE NEWSOM, THE CALIFORNIA
GOVERNOR'S RESIDENCE IS AD
PERFECT PLACE TO LIVE, WITHIN
WALKING DISTANCE OF THE STATE
CAPITOL.
A NO-EMISSION COMMUTE.
HIS NEW HOME IS AN HOUR
ROUND-TRIP FOR THE ENTIRE
ENTOURAGE, THE FROSTED WINDOW
SUBURBAN ENTOURAGE.
IT'S A BIG CARBON FOOTPRINT.
THERE GOES THE PLANET.
THERE'S ANOTHER PROBLEM TOO,
MAYBE A BIGGER PROBLEM.
NEWSOM ALSO CARESS ABOUT
DIVERSITY.
HE TALKS ABOUT DIVERSITY A LOT.B
PROBABLY ABOUT AS MUCH AS HE
TALKS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE.RS
FOR DIVERSITY AFICIONADOS,
SACRAMENTO IS HEAVEN.
IN 2002, HARVARD UNIVERSITY AND
"TIME" MAGAZINE DESCRIBED
SACRAMENTO AS "AMERICA'S MOST
DIVERSE CITY."
THE CITY'S PUBLIC SCHOOL
STUDENTS SPEAK 43 LANGUAGES.
40% DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH AT
HOME.
YOU WOULD THINK GAVIN NEWSOM
WOULD WANT HIS KIDS RIGHT THERE
IN THE CENTER OF ALL THAT
DIVERSITY.
BUT NO.
INSTEAD, HE'S MOVING THEM TO ONE
OF THE LEAST DIVERSE
NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE ENTIRE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. H
IT'S A PLACE WHERE THE
DEMOGRAPHICS LOOK LIKE 1950.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S VERY, VERY
WHITE.
WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT NEWSOM
THINKS IS VERY, VERY BAD.
OR SAYS HE DOES.
BUT DOES HE REALLY BELIEVE IT?
NOT REALLY, BECAUSE HE'S MOVING
HIS FAMILY THERE.
YOU'RE STARTING TO FIGURE OUT
HOW THIS WORKS?AU
YOU MAKE POLICIES THAT TOTALLY
CHANGE THE COUNTRY.
THEN YOU ATTACK ANYONE WHO
CRITICIZES THOSE POLICIES ASGE
EVIL..
AND THEN FORCE THEM TO BE QUIET
OR FIRE THEM IF THEY WON'T.
AND THEN YOU PERSONALLY MOVE AS
FAR AS YOU CAN AWAY FROM THE
EFFECTS OF THOSE POLICIES,
PREFERABLY BEHIND A WALL
SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S THE TRICK.
TO BE FAIR, IT'S NOT JUST GAVIN
NEWSOM WHO DOES THIS. W
THEY ALL DO THAT.
ALL OF THEM.
WELL, IT'S WELL ESTABLISHED AT
LEAST ON TV THAT THERE'S NO
CRISIS AT ALL ON THE U.S.-MEXICO
BORDER.
THE VERY IDEA OF THAT IS INSANE.
>> TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS
CONTINUE TO LIE ABOUT BASIC
FACTS.
THE TRUTH IS THERE'S NO CRISIS
AT THE BORDER THAT JUSTIFIES AUT
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
>> THERE IS NO CRISIS AT THE
BORDER.
YOU'VE GOT TO START FROM THE
PLACE THAT EVERYTHING THEME
PRESIDENT IS SAYING IS FICTION.
SO IT'S VERY HARD TO NEGOTIATE
WITH SOMEONE WHO'S DEALING WITH
A MADE-UP PROBLEM.
>> Tucker: THOSE GUYS THAT
LITERALLY SAY ANYTHING.
THERE'S NOTHING THEY WOULDN'T
SAY.
NOW THEY'RE SAYING IT'S AAY
MADE-UP PROBLEM.
IT'S ALL JUST A FEVER DREAM, A
PRODUCT OF YOUR DERANGED
IMAGINATION.
BUT WAIT.
THERE IS THAT 12,000 PERSON
CARAVAN COMING UP RIGHT NOW FROM
CENTRAL AMERICA, AND MEXICO'S
NEWW GOVERNOR IS MAKING IT EASY
FOR THEM TO GET HERE.
OR DID WE DREAM THAT UP?
BUCK SEXTON IS A FORMER CIA
ANALYST.
HE'S BEEN ON THE BORDER AND
JOINS US WITH AN UPDATE.
IT'S MADE UP, THIS CRISIS ON THE
BORDER.
DOES THAT COMPORT WITH WHAT
YOU'VE SEEN?
>> MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT SAY
THAT EITHER HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE
BORDER OR HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME
TO SPEAK TO MEMBERS OF BORDER
PATROL OR IMMIGRATIONS AND
CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THE
MANY LAYERS OF CRISIS THAT ARE
OCCURRING RIGHT NOW THE BORDER.
ON ONE FRONT, YOU HAVE ANOTHER
INCREASE IN VERY SERIOUS MEDICAL
CASES.
THIS IS PROBLEMATIC IN A NUMBER
OF LEVELS.
YOU PEOPLE SHOWING UP, AS WE
KNOW, THERE ARE TWO CHILDREN WHO
DIED IN CUSTODY.
THEY WERE ILL WHEN THEY ENTERED
CUSTODY, BUT THERE ARE MANY
PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW COMING INTO
BORDER PATROL CUSTODY.HE
IN MANY CASES, THEY ARE
SURRENDERING, SO THEY ARE
ACTUALLY SEEKING OUT BORDER
PATROL.
KNOWING THAT THEY ARE GOINGY TO
GET MEDICAL SERVICES.
THEY ARE HAVING TO SET UP
SCREENING FACILITIES, FRONTLINE
SCREENING FACILITIES FOR BORDERS
PATROL TODAY WITH PEOPLE SHOWING
UP WITH H1N1 FLU, SCABIES, A
WHOLE LITANY OF DIFFERENT
COMMUNICABLE, VERY SERIOUS
DISEASES THAT THEY HAVE TO BE
TREATED FOR, COURTESY OF THE
TAXPAYER, THAT OFTEN REQUIRES
TAKING THEM TO THE NEAREST
HOSPITAL WHICH TAKES ONE OR TWOT
DEPENDING ON THE SECTOR, BORDER
PATROL AGENTS TO ACCOMPANY THEM
TO THE HOSPITAL.
ALL OF THIS PAID FOR BY
UNCLE SAM.
THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH
THE DRAIN ON RESOURCES.
BORDER PATROL GUYS ARE SAYING
LOOK, WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS AS
IT IS.
THEY HAD CLOSE TO 30,000 FAMILY
UNITS ALONE.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE UNACCOMPANIED
MINORS, PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS
ILLEGALLY THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY
BY THEMSELVES, THAT ARE SHOWING
UP AND TURNING THEMSELVES IN.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS BORDER
PATROL IS BEING TURNED INTO A
DE FACTO RED CROSS ON OUR BORDER
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING UP
WITH SERIOUS ILLNESSES,
DISEASES..
PEOPLE WHO ARE EIGHT OR NINE
MONTHS PREGNANT.
THIS IS HAPPENING IN INCREASINGL
NUMBERS EVERY MONTH.
THE PROBLEM AT THE BORDER IS
GETTING WORSE WHILE PEOPLE ARE
ON TV SAYING THERE'S NO PROBLEM.
>> Tucker: IT'S NOT HAPPENING
IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE NEED TO BRING THIS
AWESOMENESS YOU DESCRIBE INTO
THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF PEOPLE
MAKING POLICIES.
LET ME ASK YOU, SINCE YOU'VE
SPOKEN RECENTLY TO PEOPLE WHO
WORK THERE ENFORCING IMMIGRATION
LAW.
DO THEY THINK IT'S A CRISIS?
>> NO DOUBT AT ALL.
THEY ARE CERTAIN AS A CRISIS.
IT'S GETTING WORSE.O
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STRAIN AND
DRAIN ON OVERALL BORDER
RESOURCES.
THAT INCLUDES THE ENORMOUS ANDUR
NOW EVEN BIGGER, BECAUSE OF THE
SHUTDOWN, BACKLOG AND THE
COURTS.
IT INCLUDES THE WAIT THAT THE
ASYLUM SYSTEM HAS NOT BEEN
ADDRESSED SO -- CONGRESS HAS TO
PASS LAWS.
IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM,
THERE MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO
GAME IT.
YOU CAN COME INTO THE COUNTRY
EFFECTIVELY AND SKIP THE ENTIRE
LINE AND STAY IN THE
UNITED STATES, AND EVEN THOUGH
YOU WON'T GET ASYLUM IN THE END,
YOU'LL BE IN THE INTERIOR OF THE
U.S.HO
IT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED BYLU
CONGRESS.
THERE'S ALSO A CRISIS OF
LAWLESSNESS.
ONE THING THAT I THINK THAT'S
INTERESTING AS SOON YOU SEE
THESE PEOPLE ON TV SAYING YOU
CAN'T LIE TO THE FBI.
YOU CAN'T LIE TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WHEN IT HAS TO DO
WITH THE MUELLER PROBE.
THE SAME LAWS APPLY.
THE SAME LAWS ABOUT LYING TO
FEDERAL OFFICERS, BORDER PATROL
AND IMMIGRATIONS AND CUSTOMS A
ENFORCEMENT.
PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP, RENTING,
BORROWING CHILDREN FROM OTHER
PEOPLE.
THAT'S FRAUD, TUCKER.
IT'S ILLEGAL.
>> Tucker: HOW MANY OF THESE
DO WE PROSECUTE?
>> UNDER 100 FOR THE LAST 12
MONTHS, OF THE ESTIMATED
THOUSANDS THAT ARE PROBABLY
OCCURRING.T
THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW.
DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME.
THEY DON'T DO DNA CHECKS AT THE
BORDER.KN
THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO
PROCESS.
THEY HAVE OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEM
NOT JUST WITH MEDICAL REQUEST
BUT WITH LAWLESSNESS BECAUSE
U.S. ATTORNEYS WON'T EVEN TAKE T
UP THE CASES NOW OF -- AS I WAS
TOLD, 30 SOMETHING-YEAR-OLDS
SAYING THEY ARE TEENAGERS SO
THEY CAN SKIP TO THE FRONT OF
THE LINE.
THAT'S ILLEGAL TOO.
THE SAME LAW THAT SENDS PEOPLEHE
LIKE STONE POSSIBLY TO JAIL FOR
ALLEGED LYING TO FEDERAL AGENTS
CAN --
>> Tucker: NONE OF THOSE
PEOPLE VOLUNTEERED FOR THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN.
IF THEY HAD, THEY WOULD BE T IN
JAIL RIGHT NOW.
PROBABLY SMART NOT TO DO THAT.
BUCK SEXTON, GREAT TO SEE YOU AS
ALWAYS.
THE ARREST OF ROGER STONE IS
BEING TOUTED AS PROOF POSITIVE
OF RUSSIAN COLLUSION.
DOES IT ACTUALLY SHOW THAT?
WE WILL UNPACK IT AFTER THE
BREAK.
♪ ♪
>> Tucker: THE FBI SENT ENOUGH
ON FRIDAY TO OVERTHROW A THIRD
FIREPOWER TO ROGER STONE'S HOUSE
WORLD GOVERNMENT.
HIS ARREST IS, NEEDLESS TO SAY,
BEING TAKEN AS PROOF THAT RUSSIA
STOLE AMERICA'S LUNCH MONEY OR
BURNED OUR TOAST OR EGGED OUR
CARS OR SUBVERTED OUR DEMOCRACY
OR SOMETHING.
THIS PAST WEEKEND, AS SHE OFTEN
HAS, NANCY PELOSI SPECULATED
THAT RUSSIA MUST HAVE SOMETHING
ON THE PRESIDENT.
>> WHAT DO THE RUSSIANS HAVE ON
DONALD TRUMP?
POLITICALLY, PERSONALLY, OR
FINANCIALLY.
WHAT IS PUTIN BLACKMAILING
PRESIDENT TRUMP WITH?
PERSONALLY, POLITICALLY, OR
FINANCIALLY.
I ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT DO
THE RUSSIANS HAVE ON
DONALD TRUMP POLITICALLY,
PERSONALLY, OR FINANCIALLY?
THE RUSSIANS MUST HAVE SOMETHING
PERSONALLY, POLITICALLY, OR
FINANCIALLY ON PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> Tucker: OVER ON PBS,
ERIC SWALWELL OF CALIFORNIA
CLAIMED THAT TRUMP IS A PROVEN
RUSSIAGENT.
COULDN'T EXPLAIN QUITE HOW.
HERE'S THE EXCHANGE.
>> AT WHAT POINT DO YOU DRAW THE
LINE AND NOT ACCUSE THE A
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF BEING AN
AGENT OF RUSSIA?
>> HE HAS BETRAYED OUR COUNTRY.
I DON'T SAY THAT LIGHTLY.
I WORKED AS A PROSECUTOR FOR
SEVEN YEARS.
>> BETRAYING THE COUNTRY.
WE WANT EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU SAY
THAT.
>> HE WORKS ON THEIR BEHALF.
AFTER IT WAS REVEALED THE
RUSSIANS WERE ATTACKING OUR
DEMOCRACY, HE WENT TO A PRESS
CONFERENCE AND SAID RUSSIA, KEEP
DOING IT.
>> WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT
SEQUENCE OF EVENTS.
AS A PROSECUTOR, THAT WOULDN'T
BE EVIDENCE IN COURT.
YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
HARD EVIDENCE AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE.
I'M STILL NOT HEARING THE
EVIDENCE THAT HE'S AN AGENT OF
RUSSIA.
>> I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR.
IT'S ALL HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT..
>> Tucker: HIDING IN PLAIN
SIGHT.
DOES ROGER STONE'S INDICTMENT
PROVE ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT ALL
THESE PEOPLE ARE AGENTS OF
VLADIMIR PUTIN?
GLENN GREENWALD JOINS US
TONIGHT.
IS THAT, CAN WE SAY NOW
CONCLUSIVELY THAT THE RUSSIAN
COLLUSION NARRATIVE IS TRUE IN
THE WAKE OF THIS INDICTMENT OF
ROGERLY STONE?
>> NO, IT ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATES
IF ANYTHING THE OPPOSITE.
LET ME ADDRESS THOSE HORRIFIC
McCARTHYITE CLIPS YOU JUST
PLAYED FROM NANCY PELOSI AND
ERIC SWALWELL CLAIMING THAT
TRUMP IS CONTROLLED BY THE
KREMLIN, SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD
THROUGHOUT THE '50s AND '60S
LODGED AGAINST DEMOCRATS
WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF
EVIDENCE, WHICH WAS NONE.
IN ALMOST EVERY IMPORTANT
INSTANCE, INCLUDING RIGHT NOW IN
VENEZUELA, GIVING ARMS TO THE
UKRAINIANS WHO ARE OPPOSED TO
THE RUSSIANS, BOMBING THE
RUSSIAN CLIENT STATE IN SYRIA,
IMPOSING INCREDIBLY HARSH
SANCTIONS ON RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS,
TRUMP HAS ACTED CONTRARY TO THE
INTERESTS OF THE KREMLIN.
THE MOST IMPORTANT EXAMPLE OF
WHICH IS PROBABLY TRUMP'S VERY
VEHEMENT DENUNCIATIONS OF THE
GERMANS FOR BUYING NATURAL GAS
FROM RUSSIA, ONE OF THEIR MOSTF
IMPORTANT EXPORTS ON WHICH THEIR
ECONOMY DEPENDS RATHER THAN
BUYING IT FROM THE U.S.
REALLY WEIRD BEHAVIOR FOR
SOMEBODY WHO IS BEING
BLACKMAILED BY VLADIMIR PUTINEI
AND KEEPS DOING EXACTLY THE
OPPOSITE OF WHAT PUTIN WANTS.
THE ROGER STONE INDICTMENT IS
LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER MUELLER
INDICTMENTS, AND THAT IS THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT MUELLER
HAS INDICTED FOR WHAT THE
ORIGINAL MUELLER LETTER SAID HE
WAS SUPPOSED TO FIND OUT, NAMELR
WHETHER THERE WAS CRIMINAL
COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN ON THE ONE HAND AND
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ON THE OTHERT
HAND WITH RESPECT TO THE 2016
ELECTION, THAT NUMBER ISND ZERO.
THAT WAS THE NUMBER BEFORE ROGER
STONE'S INDICTMENT.
THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE NUMBER
AFTER.
IT'S NOT AN INVESTIGATION THAT'S
COMPLETE, BUT IT'S COMING UP ON
TWO YEARS.
IT'S A YEAR AND EIGHT MONTHS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTUREIN
HOLDS.
MAYBE MUELLER WILL SOMEDAY
INDICT PEOPLE FOR THAT.
MAYBE HE WILL CURE CANCER. W
BUT AS A JOURNALIST, ALL I CANAN
DO IS SAY WHAT HAS HAPPENED UP
UNTIL THIS POINT, AND UP UNTIL
THIS POINT, THERE BEEN ZERO
INDICTMENTS ON THATTI CORE
QUESTION.
>> Tucker: VERY QUICK.
WHY WOULD, IF THE MUELLER PEOPL.
SENT DOZENS OF ARMED AGENTS TO
THE HOUSE OF AN UNARMED MIDDLE
AGED MAN TO DO SOMETHING THAT
COULD'VE BEEN DONE THROUGH
LAWYERS, WHY DOES NO ONE IN THE
PRESS SAY WAIT A SECOND. A
THAT SEEMS LIKE OVERKILL.L.
>> CNN WAS NOT ONLY NOT
OBJECTIVE.
THEY WERE SUPER EXCITED BY IT..
THEY SENT ONE OF THEIR
CORRESPONDENTS THAT HAS
CONNECTIONS, MAYBE EVEN WORKED
FOR THE FBI, TO COVER IT LIKE I
WAS THE O.J. CHASE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS.
THE PRESS HAS COMPLETELY GIVEN
UP ITS ADVERSARIAL ROLE WHEN ITT
COMES QUESTIONING PROSECUTORIAL
POWER, WHAT THE CIA DOES AND
WHAT THE FBI DOES.
ROBERT MUELLER IS THE ALMOST
LIKE THIS GODLIKE FIGURE, AND AS
LONG AS YOU DO ABUSES TO PEOPLE
THEY DON'T LIKE, LIKE ROGER
STONE, THEY WILL SIT AND CHEER.
>> Tucker: YEAH, I THINK YOU Y
ARE EXACTLY RIGHT.
WE SHOULD PUSH BACK.
I HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTEGRITY
PROSECUTOR DOES IT TO SOMEONE I
TO PUSH BACK WHEN THE NEXT
DON'T LIKE.
I REALLY DO.
GLENN GREENWALD, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
RICHARD GOODSTEIN IS A LAWYER
AND FORMER ADVISOR TO BILL AND
HILLARY CLINTON AND HE JOINS US
TONIGHT.
I JUST CAN'T -- NANCY PELOSI AND
ERIC SWALWELL ARE TELLING ME,
AND I KNOW THEM BOTH, THAT NOW
WE HAVE THE GOODS, THE
INDICTMENT OF ROGER STONE, WHICH
TO THE UNTRAINED EYE HAS NOTHING
TO DO WITH RUSSIAN COLLUSION.
BUT TO THE RUSSIAN COLLUSION E
TRUTHERS, IT'S PROOF POSITIVE.
WHAT AM I MISSING ABOUT THIS
INDICTMENT?
>> FIRST OF ALL WE HAD EVIDENCE
OF COLLUSION FROM PAUL
MANAFORT'S LAWYERS WHEN HE
DISCLOSED SECRET POLLING DATA TO
RUSSIAN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE.
SO THAT'S COLLUSION RIGHT THERE.
IT ENABLED RUSSIA, IF THEY WERE
SO INCLINED, AND THERE'S
EVIDENCE THEY WERE, THEY COULD
IDENTIFY WHAT THE SWING VOTERS
WERE AND WHERE TO GO AFTER THEM.
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IN
THE U.S. HAS SAID THAT'S EXACTLY
WHAT THEY DID.
>> Tucker: THERE IS NO
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.
>> EVERY INTELLIGENCE AGENCY --
SO YOU DISPUTE THE FACT THERE
ARE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES.
I BET ALL OF YOUR VIEWERS TAKE
ISSUE WITH THAT.
>> Tucker: THERE IS NO
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE NOT 17 SEPARATE --
>> I DIDN'T SAY 17.
>> Tucker: THERE IS NO>>
CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING IN REAL
LIFE.
THERE IS NO CONSENSUS ON WHO
HACKED PODESTA'S EMAILS.
LET'S NOT PRETENDING WE KNOW
THINGS WE DON'T.
>> I HEARD YOUR GUEST EARLIER IN
THE SHOW, THE VEHEMENCE ABOUT
HOW ROGER STONE WAS TREATED.
ABOUT HOW HORRIBLE MUELLER IS.
HAVE WE SEEN 1 OUNCE OF THAT
ADDRESSED BY DONALD TRUMP OR HIS
MINIONS TOWARDS THE RUSSIANS FOR
INTERFERING WITH OUR ELECTION?
I WOULD SAY NO.
THAT PROVES TO ME WHAT
NANCY PELOSI IS SAYING, WHICH IS
THAT SOMETHING IS GOING ON.
WHY WOULD THERE BE 100 CONTACTS
AND NOT ONE OF THEM MORE THAN A
DOZEN TRUMP PEOPLE, WHY DID THEY
LIE TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME?
>> Tucker: LET ME ASK YOU AS
AN AMERICAN. W
THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS.
RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE AND WHAT
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST DID
TO ROGER STONE.
AS AN AMERICAN, PRESUMABLY YOU
CARE ABOUT CIVIL LIBERTIES, AREC
YOU OKAY WITH THAT?
HERE'S A GUY WHO'S NOT A FLIGHT
RISK, WHO THEY'VE BEEN
INVESTIGATING, SPYING ON HIM FOR
OVER A YEAR, COULDN'T DESTROY
EVIDENCE.
IT'S RIDICULOUS.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH SENDING DOZENS
OF ARMED PEOPLE TO HIS HOUSE TO
ROUST HIM BAREFOOT?
>> THE EVIDENCE IS THAT THERE
WEREN'T DOZENS.RM
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A DOZEN.
I DISCOUNT WHAT ROGER STONE
SAYS.
>> Tucker: I SAW THE TAPE THAT
THEY SET UP WITH CNN.
>> THEY WERE HEAVILY ARMED
PEOPLE.
>> Tucker: WHY WOULD YOU NEED
AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON TO ARREST
ROGER STONE?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT MUELLER IS
THE ONE WHO SAYS HOW THIS MANY
PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO TWO OR
THREE.
SECONDLY, I THINK MUELLER IS
PROBABLY SICK OF WHAT HE GOT
FROM PAUL MANAFORT WHICH IS
ATTEMPTS TO DESTROY EVIDENCE ANG
OBSTRUCT JUSTICE AND CHANGE M
PEOPLE'S TESTIMONY.
HE SAW EVIDENCE THAT ROGER STONE
WAS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING.
THAT'S WHERE -- HE SAID I'VE HAD
IT.
PROSECUTOR'S JOB TO PUNISH
>> Tucker: IS IT THE
PEOPLE PREEMPTIVELY?
>> MAKE SURE THEY DON'T DODO IT
AGAIN.
>> Tucker: INTIMIDATE AND
FRIGHTEN SO THEY OBEY.
>> FREEZE HIM SO HE CAN DO D --
>> TUCKER: THEY BROUGHT HIM IN
AND THEY LET HIM OUT ON BAIL IN
10 MINUTES.
THEY DID THIS TO SCARE THE CRAP
OUT OF HIM AND TELL THE REST OF
US IF YOU DISOBEY THIS UNELECTED
GOD FIGURE WHOSE POWER IS
UNCONTESTED BY ANYBODY, THEN
WE'RE GOING TO HURT YOU.
>> HE'S NOT ELECTED.
HE'S A REPUBLICAN.
THE VOTERS ULTIMATELY ELECTEDD
THE PEOPLE --
>> Tucker: FIRING HIM.
>> THE ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL
COULD.D.
>> TUCKER: DEMOCRATS SAY IF YOU
FIRE HIM, HE WILL BE -- WILL BE
IMPEACHED INNATELY.
THIS IS SOMEONE DEMOCRATS SAY
HAVE NO OVERSIGHT BY AN ELECTED
OFFICIAL.
DOES IT BOTHER YOU?
SEEMS LIKE THE OPPOSITE OF
DEMOCRACY.
>> HAS OVERSIGHT OVER THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY FUND IT AND THEY CAN BRING
PEOPLE IN FOR QUESTIONING.
>> Tucker: WHAT WOULD HAPPEN
IF YOU TRIED TO FIRE ROBERT
MUELLER?
YOU'D BE ACCUSED OF WORKING FOR
VLADIMIR PUTIN.
I DON'T THINK YOU ARE FOR
DEMOCRACY.
>> I WORKED FOR SOMEONE WHO
STOOD UP TO RICHARD NIXON.
>> Tucker: IT WAS A DIFFERENT
TIME.
WE ARE OUT OF TIME
RICHARD GOODSTEIN, GREAT TO SEE
UNFORTUNATELY.
YOU.
THANK YOU.
IT'S EASIER THAN EVER TO BE
RUINED BY THE CROWD RUSHING TO
JUDGMENT.
HOW DO YOU SURVIVE IN AN AGE
WHERE THE ONLINE MOB ROVES FREE?
MIKE ROWE JOINS US AFTER THE
BREAK.
♪ ♪
>> Tucker: YOU MAY HAVE READ
ABOUT A WAVE OF LAYOFFS IN THE
MEDIA LAST WEEK.
MORE THAN 1,000 PEOPLE LOST
THEIR JOBS, MOSTLY IN ONLINE
NEWS.
SOME OF THE BIGGEST LOSSES WERE
AT BUZZFEED.
ABOUT 220 EMPLOYEES GOT FIRED
THERE.
BUZZFEED IS RUN BY A GUY CALLED
JONAH PERETTI.
PERETTI ISN'T JUST A MEDIA CEO.
HE'S AN ICON IN THE TECH WORLD.
HE IS A LIVING EMBODIMENT OF THE
VALUES OF MODERN BIG BUSINESS.
HE FIRST BECAME FAMOUS A NUMBER
OF YEARS AGO WHEN HE ATTACKED
NIKE FOR RUNNING SWEATSHOPS.
THE ATTENTION FROM THAT HELPED
HIM BREAK INTO THE MEDIA.
FROM THERE, HE HELPED FOUND
"THE HUFFINGTON POST" AND
EVENTUALLY BUZZFEED.
AS A BOSS, HE TRANSITIONED
SMOOTHLY FROM THE LEFTISM OF HIS
YOUTH TO THE NEW AND FAR MORE
LUCRATIVE VERSION OF WOKE
CAPITALISM THAT SO MANY CEOs
NOW PRACTICE.
PERETTI SPENT A LOT OF TIME
EXTOLLING THE VIRTUES OF
INCLUSIVITY AND DIVERSITY AND
ATTACKING CONSERVATIVES AS
RACIST.
AT THE SAME TIME, PERRETTI
CRUSHED THE EFFORTS OF ITS OWN
STAFF TO UNIONIZE.
HE ARGUED IT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT
FOR BUZZFEED BECAUSE UNIONS ARE
ONLY GOOD FOR "REPLACEABLE
EMPLOYEES."
BUZZFEED STAFF WERE APPARENTLY
SO SPECIAL THEY DIDN'T NEED
UNIONS.
TURNS OUT THEY DID.
NOW MORE THAN 200 OF BUZZFEED'S
EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND THEY WERE
IN FACT QUITE REPLACEABLE.
AFTER FIRING THEM, PERRETTI
TRIED TO WEASEL HIS WAY OUT OF
PAYING HIS EMPLOYEES,
THREATENING THEIR UNUSED
PAID
TIME OFF UNTIL THE PUBLIC OUTCRY
BECAME SO GREAT THAT HE FINALLY
CAVED AND PAID.
THIS IS VERY COMMON, PERRETTI
TOLD THEM.
IT'S TRUE.
GREEDY, STUPID BOSSES WHO BUY A
PASS FROM THE BUSINESS PRESS BY
MOUTHING PROGRESSIVE PLATITUDES
ARE INDEED VERY COMMON.
HITHEY ARE EVERYWHERE,
UNFORTUNATELY.
WHAT'S RARE ARE HUMANE BOSSES
WHO CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO
WORK FOR THEM.
WE COULD USE MORE OF THOSE.
MIKE ROWE HAS A NEW SCHOLARSHIP
PROGRAM TRYING TO SEND YOUNG
AMERICANS TO TRADE SCHOOLS.
IN DOING THAT, HE'S WILLING TO
WORK WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT
ORGANIZATIONS, SOME OF WHICH NOT
EVERYBODY LIKES.
FOR DOING THAT, HE'S BEEN
ACCUSED OF "SELLING OUT."
MIKE ROWE JOINS US TONIGHT.
SO MIKE, I MEAN THIS IN THE BEST
WAY.
I LIKE IT WHEN YOU ARE ATTACKED,
BECAUSE UNLIKE MOST PEOPLE GET
ATTACKED ON SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU
WRITE THESE LONG, VERY
THOUGHTFUL REPLIES THAT ACTUALLY
INFORM US.
THIS IS NO DIFFERENT.
WHAT HAPPENED HERE?
>> THANK YOU.
FULL DISCLOSURE.
I SOLD OUT YEARS AGO.
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT ON
THE QVC CABLE SHOPPING CHANNEL,
MY VERY FIRST JOB IN TV.
>> Tucker: IS THAT YOUR?
>> YEAH, YEAH.
I WAS SINGING IN THE OPERA BACK
IN THE LATE '80s AND I GOT AN
AUDITION FOR QVC AND THE NEXT
THING I KNEW, I WAS SELLING
THINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
NIGHT THAT I COULD NEITHER
EXPLAIN NOR JUSTIFY.HE
WE ALL DO WHAT WE HAVE TO N DO L
MAKE A GO OF IT.
HERE IN 2018, I CAN'T TELL YOU
ANYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT
COGNITIVE DISSONANCE OR THE
TRANSITIVE PROPERTY OR
CONFIRMATION BIAS.
ALL OF THAT STUFF IS AT WORK
RIGHT NOW WITH THE BIG FAT
UMBRELLA OF LOGICAL FALLACIES O
SPREAD OVER TOP OF IT.
I SEE IT IN MY WORLD EVERY
SINGLE DAY.
EVEN ON A NONPROFIT CHARITY
WHERE I GIVE AWAY HALF A MILLION
DOLLARS A YEAR TO KIDS WHO WANT
TO APPLY FOR A WORK ETHIC
SCHOLARSHIP.
IF I TAKE MONEY FROM A COMPANY
OR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WANTS TO
HELP ME IN THAT EFFORT, THEY
NEED TO COMPORT WITH WHATEVER
LIST YOU HAVE IN YOUR MIND OF
APPROVED NETWORKS,
PERSONALITIES, AND CAUSES.
ONCE UPON A TIME, WE DISTANCED
OURSELVES FROM PEOPLE THAT WE
DIDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH.
BUT TODAY, WE DISTANCE OURSELVES
FROM PEOPLE WHO SIT TOO CLOSE TO
PEOPLE WITH WHOM WE DISAGREE.
THIS ISN'T HEADLINE NEWS, BUT IN
MY LITTLE WORLD, SIX YEARS AGO
IT STARTED WHEN I HAD THE
TEMERITY TO TALK TO GLENN BECK
AND BILL MAHER IN THE SAME WEEK
ABOUT THE SAME TOPIC.
PEOPLE'S HEADS EXPLODED.
>> Tucker: HOW DO YOU RESPOND?
DOES REASON WORK?
YOU WROTE A VERY, I THOUGHT,
THOUGHTFUL, WHICH PEOPLE SHOULD
-- IT'S ON FACEBOOK.
LOOK IT UP.
IT'S WORTH READING.
A THOUGHTFUL RESPONSE TO SOMEONE
WHO SAID YOU SOLD OUT.
IT WORK?
DOES REASONT CONVINCE PEOPLE
ANYMORE?
>> LOOK, FACEBOOK HAS ITS PROS
AND CONS.
TO BE HONEST, ONE-ON-ONE, I
DON'TD KNOW.
I FEEL LIKE TODAY PEOPLE ARE SO
DUG IN BEHIND WHATEVER POSITION
THEY ESPOUSE THAT YOU SIMPLY
AREN'T GOING TO CONVERT.
FACEBOOK IS A PUBLIC FORUM.
I'VE GOT 5 MILLION PEOPLE ON MY
PAGE AND THE REASON I TAKE TIME
TO TRY AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT
PASSES FOR THOUGHTFUL DISCOURSE
IS BECAUSE IT GETS PASSED
AROUND.
THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE IN
THE MIDDLE WHO ARE WILLING IN
THIS CASE, FOR INSTANCE, TO SAY
MAYBE CHARLES KOCH ISN'T THETH
PERSON THAT I'VE HEARD HE WAS.
OR MAYBE TUCKER CARLSON -- I'M
GOING TO GET KILLED TONIGHT.
>> Tucker: HE IS.
HE'S DEFINITELY THE MAN YOU
THINKMA HE IS.
[LAUGHTER]
>> I DON'T MIND.
TO ME, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM
BECAUSE I'M A PUBLIC FIGURE
RUNNING A PUBLIC CHARITY.
I CAN TAKE A PUBLIC PLATFORM AND
TURN THIS KIND OF NONSENSE INTO
WHAT MIGHT BE A THOUGHTFUL
BACK-AND-FORTH THAT MIGHT IN
FACT CHANGE SOMEONE'S MIND.
LET'S FACE IT.
IT'S ALSO GREAT PUBLICITY.
IT'S HARD TO GIVE AWAY HALF A
MILLION DOLLARS TO THE LENS OF
WORK ETHIC.
MIKEROWEWORKS.COM RIGHT NOW IF
YOU WANT TO APPLY FOR A WORK
ETHIC SCHOLARSHIP.
I AM REDUCED TO SHAMELESS PLUGS
ON YOUR SHOW BECAUSE I DON'T
REALLY KNOW HOW ELSE TO PUT THAT
MESSAGE OUT THERE WITHOUT
INFLAMING SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING
TO START THE SENTENCE WITH
"MIKE ROWE, ALWAYS BEEN A FAN OF
YOURS BUT..."
TILL YOU SAT DOWN WITH THAT SON
OF A GUN OVER THERE AND SAID
THIS.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE ON
THE NAUGHTY LIST FOREVER.
>> Tucker: WE BELIEVE REASON
AND DECENCY WILL REEMERGE.
THAT'S WHY YOU ALWAYS HAVE A
SPACE TO SHAMELESSLY PLUG
ANYTHING ON THIS SHOW.
MIKE ROWE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> ANY TIME.
I APPRECIATE IT.
>> Tucker: JUST THINK ABOUT THE
BUZZFEED STORY.
THE CEO SPENT MOST OF THE LAST
FIVE YEARS O TELLING YOU WHAT A
DECENT PERSON HE IS AND THEN
MISTREATED HIS EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S THE ACID TEST.
LOTS OF PEOPLE JUMP UP AND DOWNO
MORAL PREENING IS DEFINITELY THE
COIN OF THE REALM AT THE MOMENT.
WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEONE TALKING
ABOUT HOW HE IS MORALLY SUPERIOR
TO YOU TO YOU, CHECK AND SEE HOW
HE TREATS HIS EMPLOYEES.
FIND OUT WHO HIS KIDS THINK OF
HIM.AB
THAT'S REALLY THE TEST.
THERE'S NO OTHER TEST.
THAT'S IT FOR US TONIGHT.
TUNE IN EVERY NIGHT AT 8:00
P.M., THE SWORN ENEMY OF LYING,
POMPOSITY, SMUGNESS, AND
ESPECIALLY GROUPTHINK.
TRY TO BREAK