so are you are you're against how it harms position
on the welfare cuts announced in the budget you've got this petition
am so I you know leading a rebellion should labor MP's
currently follow their interim leader Harriet Harman or should they follow you
I was very surprised very disappointed that Harriet made this time
that she did yesterday there was no consultation with anyone in the party
about
and she announced we heard it that
we were as a party supposed to be. accepting what the government was trying
to do
I and there are a number of issues we need to unravel really three
one is the second child onwards policy where
child tax credit is not about or all chat children's allowances not available
for the larger families that's very unfair
on children large families secondly
question of the well thank cap reducing the 23,000 in London 20,000 perhaps I'm
london has a devastating effect on
whole families living in private rented sector
and the third is course the the family
family tax credit card cut altogether yeah we should labor in peace follow you
or Harry home
well as making the Parliamentary Labour Party this evening and I hope they will
decide
if there's to be a decision made that we should be
opposing what the government is doing what are you eating another right now
I'm suggesting that we should be against it that's why I put a petition up indeed
an awful lot of people in the labour party say exactly the same thing
so you got no problem with somebody coming from abroad as a migrant with
five kids say and claiming five what
child tax credits 50 sieve child benefits
housing benefit no limit on that benefits all
people don't just walk into the country in claim benefits for still they've got
to be over this issue the goal here you got my bell with us Noria
people living here in Britain
deserve to be able to live decently every child deserves to be able to be
fed properly
go to school and live decent too just gotta Wallonia
that is what the UN Convention on the Rights the child is about sex is what
the Children's Act is about
so so that's a long way of saying you got no
with us nor five kids from wherever Eastern Europe any children come to
Britain people and chilled no limits on the boat people and children come first
the amount of money involved is not that great
when compared to the total budget as a whole what we're doing is going in the
wrong direction
by impoverishing children have large families and
a particularly in London where the benefit cap is had a devastating effect
on people in the private rented sector now why is the benefit bill so bold I'll
be called me of the questions okay I'm like bright
I think why do you think people who voted Conservative
in 2050 will suddenly bow for socialist in 2020
because everyone wants to live
in a decent society everyone is one accident away from
dependence on the welfare state and dependence on the NHS
everybody as older people who need adult social thing with this year
they did they voted Tory my going to be over in this budget
cuts in corporation tax cut
in benefits sale of state assets the wealthiest doing the
best out this budget the poorest in the West that is what Tory government is
about have you may visit
then any conservative since the election you any supporters who voted
Conservative it last lecture I've met quite a lot of people
at the various hustings in public men should be no who voted you cape
who are now beginning to regret it because they have you ever turn any
story so far
I hadn't begun amazing toys it's been a labor but you need two wins for his
round up with the latest party needs to win a lot of people ran particular young
people who didn't vote
particularly young people who didn't register particularly people who was so
disillusioned with the
a sameness of the main political parties in economic policy that
they didn't feel any see any point what the same this
things as immigration where labor the conservatives seem to say that
immigration is too high
what do you think
I think the whole narrative on immigration has been
quite unpleasant and it fails to recognize the huge contribution people
have migrated
this country made to this country that makes the health service education
transport
and everything else the fact that they come here they work they pay taxes they
make a great contribution
should rise Rd under a two million people from Britain living abroad if you
end the free movement of people
across Europe which is mainly what you kept them those the
concerned about this talk about what would happen the other way around if we
start saying to
people from other parts in Europe living in Britain that they've gotta go back
home
when i'm suppose two million people living in France Spain Italy and
other European countries what about Brown's the thousands of people in
Calais
desperate to get into Britain should we let them in we should let people in this
country who are desperate to get some I say to that we should
be properly supporting refugees the numbers of people
resident over refugees to go to Germany is far greater than any other European
country far greater
germany has a.m. taken in a lotta refugees
I'm actually done very well out to the economic contribution those people have
made
alright 7 can't access to high rate of income tax ought to be set on the
ability to pay it
and at the moment the top rate is too low I would go fifty percent and
and possibly slightly higher but I'm actually more interested
in collecting uncollected corporation tax and corporate taxation
the relation between which leads me to my face the real issue
is corporate tax fraud across the world really anyone would disagree with that
well I say whatever he wants a ride on that is sixty percent to high
for some be earning a very large salary no because
if somebody's ending several million pounds the moment there is nothing
beyond the cap on
going up to 45 percent is nothing but a seventy per cent 21
I don't think we need to go that high but because it to lie
in a moral sense now but I don't there is no limit is that I do you will say
that you're putting words in my mouth I didn't say that at all then what is the
limit
I'm not gonna put a limit on I don't see why anybody should put a limit on
I think we have to say we have a finite needed
of providing health education providing social services
sporting house in supporting infrastructure all those very important
areas
government expenditure and the biggest problem area
is not income tax it's actually corporation tax in corporate tax
invasion but the bigger point is how much inequality we are prepared to live
with
in this country business so so is your goal to end
income inequality my goal is to reduce inequality to
completely and inequality is obviously a very difficult thing to do but the
levels of inequality have grown to such
catastrophic levels in Britain have to be challenged the 100 which is people
own as much as a third of the entire population we have the grosses levels of
income disparity anywhere in Europe
we have the very wealthy buying up large parts of London in order to keep your
empty
and use it as a ASM investment bank for the future home unless we have we accept
you should we accept the existence
or super rich people or would there be no super rich people
the ideal now if your prime minister are super rich people actually happy
with being sick re I'm not that you would %um I would want the super-rich to
be able to pay
properly their share of the needs of the rest to the community would be super
much more day
but the issue is actually the the crossover between them
income tax on high-income people over towards the
corporate tax sector and they often have a taxation by that means and so
I think we should be looking at the way in which
big companies boots and others shifted their heart of
and offices out to britain into low tax regimes
and pretending that their income is solely come from those areas that is tax
evasion on a grand scale
let's briefly talk about foreign affairs why did you call Hamas and Hezbollah
your friends
what I did was spoke at a meeting in which I said I wanted
all people involved in the Middle East issue
to come together and be able to have a discussion
to be able to well you said archive gonna can you let me finish
where mind I after question you know you're in it no I'm not ignoring the
question if you give me a minute I'll answer it
I know it is a good point is this an listen for a minute
if you don't mind I spoke at a meeting
about the Middle East crisis in Parliament and
there were people there from hezbollah and I said I welcomed our friends from
hezbollah to have a discussion and debate
and I said I wanted hamas to be part of that debate I have met Hamas
in lebanon and I've met hezbollah in this country in Latin I've also met are
becoming friends again I finish
are your friends or not can i finish I'd also many
you can leave it alone look uneasy with the issue is this
you are not prepared to discuss solace in Middle East you're not prepared to
discuss the why question
the wider question is Hamas hezbollah a part of a peace process
even the former head of Mossad says that there has to be talks involving Hamas
also had discussions with people from the right in israeli politics
who have the same view possibly
that the State of Israel should extend from the river to the say
as it is claimed people from the palestinians like a few to make all that
clear rushing you use these words
friends now are you saying they're not your friends or are you okay all your
friend I'm saying that people I talk to
I use it in a collective way saying our friends were prepared to talk it doesn't
mean I agree with Hamas
what it does no does it mean I agree with hezbollah what they do
no what it means is that I think to bring about a peace process
you have to talk to people with who you may profoundly disagree
there is not too many peace process and mysteries talks involving Israel
I Hezbollah and Hamas and I think everybody knows that as you know the
controversies around
you calling them friends and you've explained I think that when you said
that
he didn't mean that effort their friends I got it in a collective
way at the discussion in your tried to trivialize the hall not the Middle East
you're trying to trivialize the whole discussion about how you bring about a
long-term peace process
I know that
very hard you know that I'm very hot tub long conversations with what we haven't
you been on this program talking about the Middle East many times
well not releasing the actual you have no proof but this bitch quotes
about friends as surfaced and that's what I was asking about and you
you've had your opportunity to know thanks for the tabloid journalists
aren't
does not have a luncheon was not about putting your own words what you have
learned German is a yield
debating you are dividing asking me to give an opportunity to discuss what the
wider issue the middle who you know there's all your initially I was gonna
love you reacted in common problemo rebel
I saw how well you know him as a man you know it well it's absolutely not I was
asking about your homework and if you're not prepared to defend rome was not
110 families have just done so I want to get onto a bigger
aspect to foreign policy which we coulda minutes ago had you not I just answer
the question mount
which is is it noble is it rights
to continue doing nothing to intervene in Syria
I think the decision not to bomb Syria
it simple to bomb Syria not sponsor is an important one
if we started bombing now what would be achieved probably not very much with
them be followed up by ground forces
and we then be back in 20 I think the issue has to be
choking off the arm supplying the money that goes to I sell
recognize where I still have come from and also
recognizing I think it was quite a big mistake in not reconvene in geneva
conference involving Iran which could have helped to bring about
much earlier point to cease fire in the other parts of the Syrian civil war that
is between the government of Syria
Free Syrian Army and the Kurdish forces as opposed the Arsenal forces which has
grown significantly in the past year
I don't think British intervention by military means is gonna bring about a
solution to it I think that has to be
halt be political solution I think we also need to look at the role in Saudi
Arabia and other countries are paying
a playing rather in the arms that putting into the area so do you think
ed Miliband was rights yes to and that chance a military intervention when he
did
ended up despite the fact so many people have died analyst II sister taken hold
would
military intervention abroad data backs indeed those that were advocating we
intervened nap time
a what very unclear on which support on
which particular group in Serie with an gonna support there were people
already fighting in Syria who later became part to the hustle forces
wood we've been actually supporting us all forces nobody can really answer that
question
it was very unclear what the strategy was let me just finally bring you back
to
the election what would Britain's voters roll
always label we didn't
appeal to enough people on the economic issues
because we were offering an austerity light package in the general election
this is territory like package would have resulted in further cuts
particularly some local government expenditure
and I'm while stat med abandoned very well it was quite right and Xerez
contracts conditions at work and pay levels
the problem was that he was summoned an economic strategy it wasn't officially
different I think we need to challenge the principles that the austerity agenda
the most normal thing that about a note about my last question a determinable
and I really want to ask you
and which things would you nationalize been particularly the
railway industry I think Royal Mail
should be in public ownership it's a natural monopoly and I think the energy
companies that have
them significantly your spectacularly failed to bring about
affair market in energy products I think by
with a those are the areas that public ownership is really very much need
about the bank's would you would you well we already do have considerable
public ownership the banks the problem with the nationalization was that it was
quite limited from the nationalization
is it was share ownership rather than and public control
I'm against the side that the bank shares and I am in favor
all the governments any government
using its influence on those banks because some of them have not been
loaning money to developing companies or to investment in manufacturing industry
some love actually
spent the time investing in the rent
by to rent market for example rather than in developing industry in this
country and so I do think there has to be
an influence a very strong state influence on the way the banks behave as
well as
obviously regulation to avoid return to the crisis actually having 2008
jerry Coleman thank you very much