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so are you are you're against how it
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on the welfare cuts announced in the
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am so I you know leading a rebellion
should labor MP's

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currently follow their interim leader
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I was very surprised very disappointed
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that she did yesterday there was no
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and she announced we heard it that

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we were as a party supposed to be.
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I and there are a number of issues we
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one is the second child onwards policy
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child tax credit is not about or all
chat children's allowances not available

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for the larger families that's very
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on children large families secondly

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question of the well thank cap reducing
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london has a devastating effect on

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whole families living in private rented
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and the third is course the the family

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family tax credit card cut altogether
yeah we should labor in peace follow you

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or Harry home

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well as making the Parliamentary Labour
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decide

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if there's to be a decision made that we
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opposing what the government is doing
what are you eating another right now

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I'm suggesting that we should be against
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an awful lot of people in the labour
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so you got no problem with somebody
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five kids say and claiming five what

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child tax credits 50 sieve child
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housing benefit no limit on that
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people don't just walk into the country
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to be over this issue the goal here you
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people living here in Britain

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deserve to be able to live decently
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fed properly

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go to school and live decent too just
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that is what the UN Convention on the
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the Children's Act is about

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so so that's a long way of saying you
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with us nor five kids from wherever
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Britain people and chilled no limits on
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the amount of money involved is not that
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when compared to the total budget as a
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wrong direction

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by impoverishing children have large
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a particularly in London where the
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on people in the private rented sector
now why is the benefit bill so bold I'll

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be called me of the questions okay I'm
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I think why do you think people who
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in 2050 will suddenly bow for socialist
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because everyone wants to live

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in a decent society everyone is one
accident away from

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dependence on the welfare state and
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everybody as older people who need adult
social thing with this year

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they did they voted Tory my going to be
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cuts in corporation tax cut

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in benefits sale of state assets the
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best out this budget the poorest in the
West that is what Tory government is

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about have you may visit

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then any conservative since the election
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Conservative it last lecture I've met
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at the various hustings in public men
should be no who voted you cape

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who are now beginning to regret it
because they have you ever turn any

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story so far

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I hadn't begun amazing toys it's been a
labor but you need two wins for his

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round up with the latest party needs to
win a lot of people ran particular young

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people who didn't vote

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particularly young people who didn't
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disillusioned with the

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a sameness of the main political parties
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they didn't feel any see any point what
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things as immigration where labor the
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immigration is too high

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quite unpleasant and it fails to
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this country made to this country that
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and everything else the fact that they
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make a great contribution

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should rise Rd under a two million
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end the free movement of people

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across Europe which is mainly what you
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concerned about this talk about what
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start saying to

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people from other parts in Europe living
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when i'm suppose two million people
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other European countries what about
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desperate to get into Britain should we
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country who are desperate to get some I
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be properly supporting refugees the
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resident over refugees to go to Germany
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country far greater

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germany has a.m. taken in a lotta
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alright 7 can't access to high rate of
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ability to pay it

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and at the moment the top rate is too
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and possibly slightly higher but I'm
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in collecting uncollected corporation
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the relation between which leads me to
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is corporate tax fraud across the world
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well I say whatever he wants a ride on
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for some be earning a very large salary
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if somebody's ending several million
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beyond the cap on

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going up to 45 percent is nothing but a
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I don't think we need to go that high
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in a moral sense now but I don't there
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that you're putting words in my mouth I
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I'm not gonna put a limit on I don't see
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I think we have to say we have a finite
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of providing health education providing
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sporting house in supporting
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government expenditure and the biggest
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is not income tax it's actually
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invasion but the bigger point is how
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in this country business so so is your
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income inequality my goal is to reduce
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completely and inequality is obviously a
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levels of inequality have grown to such

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catastrophic levels in Britain have to
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own as much as a third of the entire
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income disparity anywhere in Europe

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we have the very wealthy buying up large
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and use it as a ASM investment bank for
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you should we accept the existence

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or super rich people or would there be
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the ideal now if your prime minister are
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with being sick re I'm not that you
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properly their share of the needs of the
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but the issue is actually the the
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income tax on high-income people over
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corporate tax sector and they often have
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I think we should be looking at the way
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big companies boots and others shifted
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and offices out to britain into low tax
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and pretending that their income is
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evasion on a grand scale

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let's briefly talk about foreign affairs
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what I did was spoke at a meeting in
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all people involved in the Middle East
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to come together and be able to have a
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to be able to well you said archive
gonna can you let me finish

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where mind I after question you know
you're in it no I'm not ignoring the

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question if you give me a minute I'll
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I know it is a good point is this an
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if you don't mind I spoke at a meeting

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about the Middle East crisis in
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there were people there from hezbollah
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hezbollah to have a discussion and
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and I said I wanted hamas to be part of
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in lebanon and I've met hezbollah in
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becoming friends again I finish

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are your friends or not can i finish I'd
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you can leave it alone look uneasy with
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you are not prepared to discuss solace
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discuss the why question

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the wider question is Hamas hezbollah a
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even the former head of Mossad says that
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also had discussions with people from
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who have the same view possibly

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that the State of Israel should extend
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as it is claimed people from the
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clear rushing you use these words

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friends now are you saying they're not
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friend I'm saying that people I talk to

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I use it in a collective way saying our
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mean I agree with Hamas

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what it does no does it mean I agree
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no what it means is that I think to
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you have to talk to people with who you
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there is not too many peace process and
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I Hezbollah and Hamas and I think
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controversies around

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you calling them friends and you've
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he didn't mean that effort their friends
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way at the discussion in your tried to
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you're trying to trivialize the whole
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long-term peace process

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very hard you know that I'm very hot tub
long conversations with what we haven't

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you been on this program talking about
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well not releasing the actual you have
no proof but this bitch quotes

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about friends as surfaced and that's
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you've had your opportunity to know
thanks for the tabloid journalists

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does not have a luncheon was not about
putting your own words what you have

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learned German is a yield

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debating you are dividing asking me to
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wider issue the middle who you know
there's all your initially I was gonna

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love you reacted in common problemo
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I saw how well you know him as a man you
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asking about your homework and if you're
not prepared to defend rome was not

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110 families have just done so I want to
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aspect to foreign policy which we coulda
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the question mount

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which is is it noble is it rights

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to continue doing nothing to intervene
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I think the decision not to bomb Syria

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it simple to bomb Syria not sponsor is
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if we started bombing now what would be
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them be followed up by ground forces

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and we then be back in 20 I think the
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choking off the arm supplying the money
that goes to I sell

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recognize where I still have come from
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recognizing I think it was quite a big
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conference involving Iran which could
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much earlier point to cease fire in the
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is between the government of Syria

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Free Syrian Army and the Kurdish forces
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I don't think British intervention by
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solution to it I think that has to be

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halt be political solution I think we
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Arabia and other countries are paying

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a playing rather in the arms that
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ed Miliband was rights yes to and that
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ended up despite the fact so many people
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military intervention abroad data backs
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intervened nap time

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a what very unclear on which support on

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which particular group in Serie with an
gonna support there were people

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already fighting in Syria who later
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wood we've been actually supporting us
all forces nobody can really answer that

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it was very unclear what the strategy
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the election what would Britain's voters
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always label we didn't

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appeal to enough people on the economic
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because we were offering an austerity
light package in the general election

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this is territory like package would
have resulted in further cuts

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particularly some local government
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and I'm while stat med abandoned very
well it was quite right and Xerez

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contracts conditions at work and pay
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the problem was that he was summoned an
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different I think we need to challenge
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the most normal thing that about a note
about my last question a determinable

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and I really want to ask you

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and which things would you nationalize
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railway industry I think Royal Mail

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should be in public ownership it's a
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companies that have

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them significantly your spectacularly
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affair market in energy products I think
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with a those are the areas that public
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about the bank's would you would you
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public ownership the banks the problem
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quite limited from the nationalization

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is it was share ownership rather than
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I'm against the side that the bank
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all the governments any government

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using its influence on those banks
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loaning money to developing companies or
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some love actually

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spent the time investing in the rent

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by to rent market for example rather
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country and so I do think there has to
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an influence a very strong state
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obviously regulation to avoid return to
the crisis actually having 2008

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jerry Coleman thank you very much