TLF字幕组10周年 分享创作之乐 共赏字幕之美 -=THE LAST FANTASY=-
-=TLF字幕组=- 翻译：clytie 校对：美玲
我要到沃尔沃斯超市工作 I'm going to work in Woolworth's
我长大了要当宇航员 When I grow up I want to be an astronaut
我结婚后要生两个小孩 When I get married I'd like to have two children
我最想见到我爸爸 My hearts desire is to see my Daddy
我不想回答 I don't want to answer that
这不是普通的动物园之旅 This is no ordinary outing at the zoo
它有非凡意义 it's a very special occasion
我们首次将这些孩子集中起来 we've brought these children together for the very first time
他们和其他孩子一样 they're like any other children
只是家庭背景非常不同 except that they come from startlingly different backgrounds
别扔了！ Stop it at once!
我们把他们集中起来 We brought these children together because we wanted a glimpse
以便预见2000年英国的样子 of England in the year 2000
2000年的工人和经理们 the shop steward and the executive of the year 2000
现在刚7岁 are now seven years old
1964年成长系列录制了7岁篇 In 1964 World in Action made Seven Up
此后每7年我们回去拍他们一次 we have been back to film these children every seven years
如今他们49岁了 they are now forty-nine
打架很重要吗？当然 Is it important to fight? Yes!
托尼在伦敦东区长大 Tony was brought up in the East end of London
我长大了要当骑师 I want to be a jockey when I grow up yeah
14岁时他已是艾普森的高斯林赛马场的学徒 At fourteen he was already an apprentice at Tommy Gosling's racing stable in Epsom
15岁时他没再上学 at fifteen he left school
这是我在纽伯里比赛时照的 This is a photo finish of when I rode at Newberry
我是戴白帽那个 I'm the one with the white cap
我离第三名一个半身位 照了这张像 I was beaten a length and a half for third and had a photo finish
没当成你遗憾吗？ Do you regret not making it?
我当时要能当上骑师就是废了右手也愿意 I'd have given my right arm at the time arm to be a jockey
但现在 我还是不够格 but now? ..well I wasn't good enough
你当不了骑师怎么办？ What will you do if you don't make it as a jockey?
不知道 I don't know
当不了就不当呗 If I knew I couldn't be one I'd get out of the game
也没什么 wouldn't bother
那你会做什么呢？ and what do you think you would do then?
学开出租车 Learn taxi's
21岁时他去上知识课堂 At twenty-one, he was on "The Knowledge"
28岁时有了自己的出租车 and by twenty-eight he owned his own taxi
有时会载到大人物 It's surprising who you pick up
我曾经载过柯杰克 I once met Kojak I picked him up
还有沃伦·米歇尔 阿尔夫·加奈特 and Warren Mitchell, Alf Garnett, y'know
- 你有女朋友吗？ - 没有 - Have you got a girl friend? -No.
想交女朋友吗？ Would you like to have a girl friend?
不想 No
你知道那四字诀吗？ Do you understand the four F's?
找、养..忘 find them, feed them and forget them
还有一个 你自己想 the other F, I'll let you use your own discrimination
可是这一个 but I mean, this one
四字诀只做到三 I tried to do the three F's
但是没法忘记她 but I couldn't forget her
我去迪斯科舞厅 I went to a discotheque
他之前来过酒吧 he was in the pub earlier on
之后我们去迪斯科舞厅看见他 and afterwards we went to a disco and Tony was standing there
就这样 and I just..from there that was it
我再也忘不了他 couldn't get rid of him!
像其他夫妇 我们难免会有磕碰 We have our ups and downs, no more than anyone else
我觉得婚姻需要经营 I think you've got to work at a marriage
每个婚姻都会经历不同阶段 I think all marriages go through stages
都有受不了对方的时候 you can't stand each other
有时我恨死他 希望他消失 I think "Oh god I hate him I wish he'd get out"
真的 I do
我们好几次差点就分了 We've been to the edge of the cliff and looked over a couple of times
后来还是会回想过去 and we've always seemed to go back
于是继续过下去 and we've stayed the course
我得说结婚不是容易的事 but I must say it's not easy being married
托尼和黛比42岁时离开了东区 By forty-two Tony and Debbie had left the Eastend
搬到艾塞克斯的伍德福德 and moved to Woodford in Essex
我们打算在此建个温室 We were going to put a conservatory here
你看这边 if you look along here
我们盖了天井 还有养鱼的池子 we've put a patio in and a pond for the fish
我做的唯一一件事 but the only thing I ever done was
就是种了三棵树 I planted them three trees
你上次来的时候这还是小树苗 记得吗？ well since you were last here we had small trees if you remember?
现在长高了 now they've sort of grown a bit
怎么好像烧焦了？ So why are the trees singed?
我们在后面烧垃圾 We were burning some rubbish at the back
结果烧到树 and it set light to the tree
我们浇了几桶水 and there we were throwing buckets of water over it
但还是烧着了 sadly enough it's singed the tree
49岁时他们变卖了在伦敦供的房子 At forty-nine, they'd taken out a second mortgage on the London house
在西班牙买了栋度假屋 and sunk the money into a holiday home in Spain
我很喜欢这房子 I'm very pleased with the house
我们在这时间很少 目前完成部分 the progress we've made in the little time we've worked here
是把它造成船的样子 and to get it all ship-shape, I think it's done
按黛比的标准 应该算完成了 to the testament of my wife Debbie
一如既往 As per usual!
家具都是黛比挑的 Debbie went to the furniture shop and picked all the furniture
这一切都是黛比决定 都是她的品味 all what you see is Debbie's choice of furniture and her style
人家说地板可以搭配不同的瓷砖 the floor, we were lead to believe we had a choice of tiling
米黄或浅褐都行 whether it's a light beige or light brown
我从没听过这样的 要我就要素色的 That's the first I've heard that we had a choice, 'cause I would've had plain
邻居家都用素色 I've just gone into the neighbours house and they've got all plain tiles
我问过人家 他说既然买了想铺啥都可以 and I asked him and he said it was a choice that we had when we bought it
- 所以就出错了 - 因为你都不听人家说 - So that was where the mistake was made - Because you don't listen
- 说什么 - 你不听人家讲 - 听不到 - Say that again - You don't listen - I Can't hear you
托尼和黛比仍在伦敦开出租车 Tony and Debbie still work as London cabbies
我们把车卖了 因为想多呆在这里 We sold our cabs as we're going to spend more time out here
所以有车没用 - 没用 so it's not really conducive to own the cab is it? - No
因为车子停在库里 很浪费 because the cab will be left out on the drive, it's pointless
我们现在都是租车开 and we just hire a cab independently now
我现在比以前更努力工作 I'm working harder now than what I ever have done, but
觉得有奋斗的目标 I feel that it's for something
孩子 你干嘛想当出租车司机？ Tell me son, what do you want to be a cab driver for?
每年可以去西班牙度假 但工作很苦 all the holidays in Spain every year but it's hard work out there
- 这会先别过来 - 不过来吗？ - You're not reaching me yet - I'm not getting to you?
- 拿出气势来！ - 孩子！ - Be bigger, dominate me! - Son!
28岁时他参加表演训练 At twenty-eight Tony was taking acting lessons
有时在电视当临演挣外快 now he supplements his income with occasional TV jobs
Oi!
我身上就这么多 That's all I've got on me
我要每次带1镑 就发了 If I had a pound for every time I've heard that I'd be a rich man
抓住他！ Get him!
有人通过经纪人找到我 A guy contacted me from my acting agency
他在写剧本 and I got in touch with him and he writes plays
他看了这个节目 受到启发 and he's been inspired by your Up programs
这节目在全世界播出 which go all around the world and he saw it
我们一起写了个剧 我的自传 and we got together and wrote a biographical play about my life story
我们把其中一集拿到纽约 we took one of these episodes over to New York and did a play reading
我上去当主演 and I got up and played the lead role
观众反应很好 and it went extremely well
我们在找人把它搬上舞台 and we're looking for someone to pick it up and put it on stage
所有人坐好 做作业 Would everybody please sit round now, get on with their work
别再背对我 I don't want to see any backs to me
别转过去 托尼 听到吗？ shouldn't be anybody turning round, Tony do you hear as well?
做你自己的作业 get on with your work in front
托尼！ Tony!
别再转过去 don't turn round again
只有一个愿望 我想要个儿子 there's only one ambition really, I want a baby son
我要有了儿子 人生就满足了 and if I see my baby son that'll be my ambition fulfilled
这没人知道 只跟你说了 no one knows that, only you now!
黛比和托尼有三个孩子 Debbie and Tony have three children
尼克 Nicky
朱迪 Jodie
和佩里 and Perry
尼克日子过的挺好 他还在当家具打磨工 Nicky's doing quite well, he's still a French Polisher
这职业很古老 it's an old time profession, as you know
他在厂里工作 很喜欢这份职业 and he's working for a firm and he's very happy in his work isn't he
他对人很有礼貌 He's been brought up to be very respectful to people
有教养 工作努力 a very well mannered person, he's a hard worker
朱迪现在很需要我们 Jodie at this present time just relies on us a very great deal
她谈了恋爱 结果受伤很深 and.. she's been very scarred with a relationship that she was in
这是她的初恋 非常波折 her relationship with her first love was very turbulent
她生了他的孩子 but he's the father of her kid
我会努力帮她度过难关 I'm going to make sure she gets through it
我和黛比真的不忍心看她这样 and it's been quite a strain on Debbie and I to see her in that situation
佩里也让我很骄傲 I'm very proud of Perry as well
她现在在邮局工作 she got in the Post Office and that's what she's doing
她是我们的邮政小佳人 "Postman-Pel" that's our Postman Perry
她喜欢这工作 很勤恳 每天4点起床 she loves it, she works hard she's up at four in the morning
她男朋友挺不错 非常爱她 She's got a lovely boyfriend, he loves her more than you can imagine
我对他挺满意 and he's certainly got my blessing
大个儿 人很好 喜欢足球 典型的东区孩子 big lad, very nice guy, loves his football, typical Eastend kid
我们是孩子的主心骨 we are the backbone for the kids aren't we
但当父母的都这样 Yeah but I think you're parents are anyway, you're parents are..
你不会想到父母的遭遇 you never visualise anything ever happening to your parents
觉得他们会永远在身边 you think they're there for ever
托尼5岁 Tony's five
哈利4岁 快5岁了 Harry's four, nearly five
还有阿布 差不多2岁 and little Boo, she's nearly two
- 3岁 - 3岁了！ - Three! - She's three!
我都是爷爷了 I'm a hands on grandad
你想不到我多爱我孙子 I love my grand children more than you can imagine
一讲到他们我会变了个人 I'd not say my own kids but in a different way
我爱死他们了 it's an obsession of love, y'know
这些孙子孙女是我生命的一部分 You see these grand children and they're part of you
爷爷让我来 No grandad I'm doing that
- 有时挺辛苦 - 我们不介意 - They're hard work at times - We don't mind though
我们现在行动不太利索了 自己可能没感觉到 Once you slow down and you don't realise you're slowing down
我就知道狗狗、标价、女孩 all I understand is, dogs, prices, girls
知识堂、道路、广场、父母和爱 knowledge, roads, streets, squares and mum and dad and love
我是我知道的 我关心的 that's all I understand and that's all I want to understand
35岁时托尼的父母都去世了 By the time he was thirty-five, both Tony's parents had died
我在墓地里跟她讲话 I'm at the grave side I'm talking to her
往日一幕幕在脑海里重现 I've got all the images running through my mind
她说 托尼 下楼帮我买5根烟 saying like "Tony go downstairs and get me five cigarettes"
然后我跑去店里 and I used to go in the shop
她把棉线绑在卷发棒上扔下来 she used to throw the cotton in a hair curler out the window
我就把烟绑在棉线上 and I used to tie the cigarettes onto the cotton
然后她收上去 and she used to pull them up
我看见她的身影 and she goes.. I see her in the end
她说 谢了 放学后见 要乖哦 "Thanks Tony, see you after school, be good" and that's the way it was
我们知道父亲是好不了了 We knew my dad was terminally ill
但心里仍是非常难过 although it still didn't make it any easier for us
父亲去世时我很伤心 when my dad died I took it really hard
我没法.. I can't..
娜丽·罗斯 娜丽是我妈名字 Nellie Rose is my mum as her name was Nel
她妈妈叫罗斯 and her mothers name is Rose
朱迪和大家在想怎么给房子起个名字 so my Jodie and all the family were conjuring up names to name it
突然朱迪说娜丽·罗斯 我们妈的名字 Jodie, out of thin air said Nellie Rose, the name of our mums
周六上午我会去看电影 Sometimes on Saturday morning I go to the cinema
有时和我朋友 有时和他 sometimes with my friends, sometimes with him
- 才没有 - 我有 - You don't - I do
她没有 She don't
你看上他哪点？ and why did you fall in love with him?
我不知道 I don't know
我不知道你怎么能忍我这么久 I don't know how you put up with me for so long
有时我都不知自己怎么受得了 sometimes I don't know how I stand him
十年后说不定我们会分开呢 Who's to say in another ten years me and him might've split up
很有可能 Quite possible
谁知道呢 You don't know
拍摄42岁篇时黛比和托尼的婚姻不太顺 When we filmed Debbie and Tony at forty-two the marriage seemed to be in trouble
说来惭愧 I'm not proud at all to say this but
但有我做过几次后悔的事 situations arise that... I have had regretful behaviour various times
-你被逮到了 - 我不会撒谎 but You got caught and that was it I'm not lying about the fact
我可以找些借口 you could always cover it up and suggest other things
但这是事实 不该否认 but it's true and let it be true
你逮到他了？ You caught him?
- 是 - 发生什么事？ - Yeah - What happened?
我们已经到了过不下去的地步 well it was touch and go whether we carried on from it or not
我当初真的不该说那些话 I did wish things that were said then were never said
佩里有三个星期不肯上学 Perry wouldn't go to school for three weeks
她不肯出门 给伤透了心 she wouldn't go out the door she was quite upset about it all
我挺震惊的 and I think it was a big shock because
做父母的让孩子这么难过 you are their mum and dad
我们重新开始 7年后现在我们很开心 We got on from there, it's seven years down the line and we're happy as can be now
卡麦隆叫我带钱来这儿 Cameron told me to get my nickers here
她说这比玛莎百货还好 she says they're better than Marks and Spencers
希望这里的人好说话 Lets hope they're easier to get off
这里96%都是英国人 there's ninety-six percent English here
他们在西班牙买了房子 who all bought their houses in Spain
每周六来这里购物 and this is where they shop every Saturday
这里就像多年前的英国市场 it's just like an old London market from years ago
我喜欢这里轻松的氛围 what I like is it's so relaxing down here
你在路上看风景 音乐飘飘 you walk along and things are happening, the musics playing
这是英国的酒吧 你可以随意进去 there's an English pub there you can just go in
这就像在故乡 只是气候不一样 and it's really home from home but with the weather
从这过去200码 from here it's about two-hundred yards along
会成为商业圈 it's going to be all commercial units here
我想开一间运动酒吧 my intention would be to turn one into a sports bar
电视播体育频道 卖足球衫和纪念品 we will put TV's around in a sports way and football shirts and memorabilia
这就是我的明天 我的未来 this is tomorrow for me, this is my future here
我想做点生意 so I'm hoping to get a business
如果能把尼克、朱迪或佩里接来 and if I was to bring Nicky, Jodie or Perry out here
就能两全其美了 家人在这里 then I'll have the best of both worlds, I'll have my family here
小孩能在上这里的学校 plus, the kids can be schooled here
他们要啥就有啥 well they can get what they want can't they?
而你得辛苦工作才有 if you've got to work for it
他们只要开口就有钱 and they can just ask for money and get it
想买啥就买 and they can buy what they want
我觉得5年内经济要崩溃 I feel that the economy will bust within five years
因为人们像我一样一直在付出 because people like myself have been giving and giving all the time
劳苦大众建设了这社会 the hard working family type people who have contributed everything
我们得工作、供楼、养家糊口 we have to work, we have to maintain a mortgage, we have to bring up the families
我觉得自己干够了 and I feel that I've had enough of working all these hours
每个礼拜罚单差不多40镑 congestion charges are forty pounds a week now
完全受不了警察的罚单 zero tolerance with the police for parking tickets
我们的辛苦都给别人赚 we're paying and someones getting it at our expense
离开自己的国家你会难过吗？ Does it make you sad that you're going to have to leave your roots, your country
我现在想在东区喝上一杯都难 I can't even go to the Eastend now to have a drink
酒吧都倒闭了 the pubs are literally closing down
传统生活全被新文化替代 other cultures are buying all my old traditions up
每个人都喜欢自己的文化 我也不例外 everyone likes their own culture and I'm no different from anybody else
但在英国 你要坚持传统的话 but in England, if you suggest this you are targeted as..
会给当做老古董 不让你说 an oddball or "oh you mustn't say that"
- 从众思想 - 没错 - Safety by numbers eh - Definitely
但是我觉得遗憾 on the contrary I would say I'm sorry
你要不喜欢我也不强迫 只是我的观点 if you don't like it, it's not to be offensive it's just to let you know that
是我这种人成长的方式 my way of being brought up was with all my own people
我喜欢这种方式 我挺传统的 and I like being with my own people and I'm a traditionalist
押多少钱？5镑？ - 10比索 How much do you want to play for? five pounds? - Ten pesetas
- 现在的梦想？ - 过的快乐 就像现在 - What's the dream now? - It's to be happy, which I am
我很开心家人都健康 I'm happy now being healthy with all my family
只要家人开心健康 其他都好 we all want happy and health for our family and anything else is a bonus
这是我想要的 and that's all I really want
是我的目标 没有别的 and that's all I'm really after, I don't want no more or less than that
- 运气不好 托尼 - 真的 - Unlucky Tony - Unlucky
非洲有人来 Some people from Africa come here
他们离开时穿上了衣服 but when they go they put their clothes on
杰琦、林恩和苏在伦敦东区长大 Jackie, Lynn and Sue all grew up in the Eastend of London
上同一所小学 and were friends in the same junior school
学校里有木工和五金课 男孩子学烹饪 with this school we do metal work and wood work and the boys do cookery
我们学校有个老师 We had a teacher at school
他最喜欢说 his favourite saying was...
你们女孩就只要走出去 嫁个人 生孩子 "All you girls want to do is walk out, get married, have babies
叼根烟推着婴儿车上街 and push a pram down the street with a cigarette hanging out of your mouth"
也许凭我们的能力 是有可能无法如愿 I think that we all could've gone and not any way that we wanted to at the time within our capabilities
但我们选择了自己的工作 we chose our own jobs
事实上我们选择不多 we only had a limited choice anyway, truth be told
我们没得选私立学校 供不起 we didn't have a choice of private school as we couldn't have afforded it anyway
改变太大了 生活完全不同 The change is too much, our lives are changing far too much!
我们三个 all of us
看7岁篇时 真不敢相信是我们 when you look at the seven year old "us" it's difficult to believe it is us
像在看别人 这几个可爱的东西 it's like it's someone else you're looking at, this cute thing!
- 我不记得自己可爱过 - 我才不可爱 - I can't remember being cute - I wasn't cute!
我长大了想结婚 I would like to get married when I grow up
我不知道会嫁给怎样的人 I don't know what sort of boy but I think one..
但应该不会很多钱 thats not got lot of money but..
但也不会很穷 has got some money, not a lot
有男朋友吗？ Have you got any boy friends?
oh!!
这是个人隐私 that's personal isn't it!
21岁时杰琦已嫁给了米克 By the time she was twenty-one, Jackie had married Mick
住在伦敦市郊 and moved to the outskirts of London
真的很恐怖 婚礼那个蛋糕很惨 It was horrific really, the cake what happened to the wedding cake
它摆在我和米克中间 it was sitting right in between Mick and myself
突然支柱塌下来 直接垮成一层了 suddenly the columns just completely gave way and it just all fell into one
平均来讲19岁真的太早 I would say on average nineteen is probably too young
35岁时她离了婚 By thirty-five, she was divorced
我们两人做的决定 We decided ourselves, just between the two of us
知道无法再继续下去 we knew it wasn't going any further
觉得分开会过得更好 we both knew we would be happier leading our own lives
之前他们就不想要小孩 She and Mick had decided early on that they didn't want children
主要是我太自私吧 Basically I would say because I'm far to selfish
想做自己喜欢的事 按自己喜欢的方式 I enjoy doing what I want, when I want and how I want
目前还没觉得有这可能 and certainly at the moment I can't see any way around that
脱下来了 好了 and this one off, here we go
有过一段短暂而甜蜜的关系 结果生了查理 had a brief but very sweet relationship, result of which was Charlie
抱一下 give us a cuddle
我不想只有查理一个孩子 I don't really want Charlie to be an only child
希望能给他生个弟弟妹妹 I'd love him to have brothers and sisters
但也别太多 一个就够 but not necessarily loads of them! just one would do actually!
- 好了查理 这是你的 - right Charlie, there's yours - right
- 要吃完哦 - 好 - and please eat it all up - I will
- 詹姆斯 - 谢谢妈妈 - 乖 - and James - thanks mum - good boy
还有 and last but not least
把饭吃完好吗？ are you going to eat that one for me?
在查理父亲那段关系后 After her relationship with Charlie's father ended
她遇到伊恩 搬到苏格兰 生了俩儿子 she met Ian and they moved to Scotland and had two more sons
- 詹姆斯 - 好的 - James - Alright
42岁时他们分开了 By forty-two they had split up
去吧 去找他 Go on Lee, go and get him
虽然离了婚 他们仍住在苏格兰同一地方 Despite the split the family all live in the same area of Scotland
那是爸爸！ There's your dad!
李和查理的生日只隔一个月 Lee and Charlie's birthday's are only a month apart
我们就在中间选个日子庆祝他俩生日 so we tend to do something in between to celebrate both their birthday's
通常出去玩 像游乐园什么的 so we usually go somewhere like an amusement park
李很勇敢嘛 Lee's got a lot of nerve hasn't he?
会用于挑战他哥哥不愿的东西 and a little bit of bravado as his older brothers had said no
他会想说这个我要玩 I think he decided "I'm going to do this one"
查理想过他爸吗？ Has Charlie shown any interest as to his father?
没 No
伊恩就是他爸 Ian's his father as far as he's concerned
虽说不是亲生 他和全家人都知道这点 he knows and the whole family know that biologically he's not
但伊恩待他就像自己孩子 but in every respect Ian is his father
一直都是 always has been
他为查理做了很多 教了他很多 he's done everything with him, been everything to him, taught him everything
你有钱了会干吗？比如有2镑 What would you do if you had lots of money? about two pounds
我要买栋漂亮新房 I would buy myself a nice new made house
又漂亮又温馨 one that's all nice and comfy
我喜欢这个 Ooh, I quite like that
杰琦患了风湿关节炎 靠残疾金过活 Jackie suffers from Rheumatoid Arthritis and lives off disability benefit
你怎样看待金钱？ How is money for you?
人们都说有钱方能成大事 Could do with more as just about everybody would say
但我们撑过来了 过得简朴 but we manage, we cut our costs accordingly
靠着一点钱 还是过得下去 You've got "X" amount and that's what you do
丽兹会管吗？ Has Liz got anything to do with that?
丽兹一直都在管 Liz has always got something to do with that
伊恩是她儿子 但她说因为我她有3个孙子 Ian's her son but she also says I'm here and she has three grandchildren here
她喜欢他们 会帮助我们 that she loves dearly and that she will be there for us
詹姆斯的学校组织去奥尔顿塔 James has just had a trip to Alton Towers with the school
她说我付旅费 她管零花 and she'll say "you pay for the trip and I'll give him the spending money"
这很棒 帮了我很大忙 which is brilliant as it makes life easier for me
过去7年你搬了家 跟我们讲讲 You've moved in the last seven years, tell me about that
因为关节炎 我得住在一楼 because of the arthritis that I've got I had to come to the ground floor
我喜欢这里 and this area is an area that I like
离丽兹较近 从这点看来很合适 it's close to Liz so from that point of view it suits
学校就在马路对面 the school's across the road for the boys
邻居人很好 选住所这点很重要 good neighbours, which makes a difference wherever you live
30年前东区就是这样 it's how the Eastend used to be about thirty years ago
门不用锁 邻居互相照应 the doors would be open and the neighbours looked out for each other
一家有困难 大家都帮忙 这里就是这样 if one neighbour had a problem others would help out and that's how it is here
就像一座村子 that's what this place is like, a village
孩子们有问题我们一起解决 we deal with the problems with the boys when they arise
总会有像酗酒啦 吸毒啦 吸烟啦 you've always got the problem of drink, drugs, smoking and not smoking
这样的问题 and that sort of thing
查理长大了 我不能再管这管那 Charlie's at an age now where I can't mother him
我又当不了他朋友 but I can't be his friend either
他想工作 辍学当汽车修理工 he wants to work, leave school and get a car mechanics apprenticeship
但这不太可能 but the chances of him doing that are probably very slim
我的薯片老给人偷 Yeah well someone kept stealing my chips again!
李 慢点 别噎着了 Lee, take your time, you'll make yourself ill - ok
詹姆斯比较迷电脑 James tends to be a bit of a computer freak
他想开发游戏 he wants to.. produce and make his own games
李性格较外向 像我小时候 Lee tends to be the outspoken one and is a bit like I was at his age
- 跟我真的很像 - 这是担心吗？ - In fact he's very much like I was - Is that a worry?
这太没礼貌了 你怎么这样说！ I think that's..that's terrible! how dare you say that to me!
干嘛要担心？你是觉得我很失败吗？ why would that be a worry? do you think I've turned out badly?
不是 只是有时候你好像不喜欢自己的样子 No, sometimes you see things you don't like in yourself
看到孩子有这些性格 then you see them in your child and you think..
我没想要他全学我的样 I never said he'd picked up all of my traits
我希望他学到我的优点 I think he's picked up my best traits
不听话 就去睡 - 我不要 If you're not going to play nice..right go to bed then - No!
他现在脾气大了 小时还好 he has a temper which isn't as bad as when he was younger
但他明白这一点 他有在努力控制 but it is something he knows about and he tries very hard to control
你的脾气有没有给自己带来麻烦？ Does your temper get you into trouble?
你最了解了 不是吗？ You're probably the best one to answer that, does it?
我跟你也吵过架 you and I have had arguments on occasions
你在安顿下来之前有多接触人吗？ Did you meet enough men before you decided who to marry?
你说安顿下来意思是？ What do you mean by settled down?
要是认为我们结婚不过是 If you think that getting married as far as we're concerned is a case of
下班回家 做饭给老公 上床睡觉 再上班 go to work, come home, cook tea for husband, go to bed, get up, go to work
那你可错了 you're totally mistaken
我还挺喜欢你朝我发火的 I like it when you shout at me!
- 我才不信 - 我可不知道 - I'm not sure you do really - I mean, I don't know
21岁时发生了啥 What happened at twenty-one?
你问我结婚前是否有足够经验 you asked me if I'd had enough experience with men before I married
我觉得这问题很侮辱人 很生气 and I thought that was an insulting question and I got very angry
结果不录了 and we stopped filming because of it
你看21岁时的片子 我坐在那儿 and if you look at the tapes of me at twenty-one, I'm sitting and..
真希望自己没来 to all intents and purposes I might as well not have been there
我很恼火 你以为可以随便问.. but I was really angry that you even thought you could get..
你就不会问别人如此问题 you wouldn't have asked some of the other people that question
这节目你想怎么编就怎么编 you will edit this program as you see fit
我控制不了 I've got no control over that
你完全都是凭自己所好 you definitely come across as, this is your idea of what you want to do
怎么看待我们 就把我们做成那样 and how you see us and that's how you portray us
我现在也许是第一个展现自己的 不是你描述的 this one may be the first one that's about us and not your perception of us
那么 到目前为止 我分析你哪里不对？ So how up to now have I got you wrong?
哪里不对？ How have you got me wrong?
上一次基本都是 The last one was very much based on..
对我患的病在表同情 the sympathy and the illness that I've got
说我哪些做的了 哪些做不了 and what I may or may not be able to do
而你应该说的是 it should've been about..
我能做什么 在做什么 想做什么 what I can do, what I am doing, what I will do
不要搞错 don't make that mistake Mike
我不会.. I am no way..
没错 疾病让我非常沮丧绝望 I am down and I'm depressed about my illness
但我没对生活沮丧绝望 but I'm certainly not down and depressed about my life
我看节目时非常难受 and a lot of times I sit and cringe when I watch those programs
不仅为我 也为其他人 not just for me but for other people
你想问伊恩的事 你该早料到我会说 you can ask me about Ian and you know full well I'm going to say to you..
这不关你事 我不想谈 "It's none of your business, I'm not talking about it"
这节目其他人也有不反感的 there are other people on this program that don't do that
出于个人意愿 that quite of their own free will
他们谈婚姻、离婚、生活情况 will talk about their marriages, divorces or the state of their lives
可我觉得你不该问这种问题 I don't think you should be into that, I don't think you should be asking that
这是人生的一部分 而这节目就是讲人生的啊 It's part of peoples lives and this program is about peoples lives
可是.. No, yeah but that's..
对我来说 这部分我不想在节目里谈 to me that's a part of my life that will never go on this program
我结过婚 我前夫从不来参加这个节目 you know I've married, my ex-husband never took part in this
- 我同伴也绝不想参与 - 可这不是我的错 - My partner now will never take part of this - But that's not my fault
没错 但我不想 No, but that's because that's the way I want it
但仍无法阻止你挖出我的事 but it still doesn't stop you trying to get that information from me
那你想谈什么？ So what would you like to talk about?
你想我为你发声的话 我们谈了孩子 if you want me to represent you, we've talked a bit about the children
我要做的 我想做的 What I want to do what I hope to do
只是不想谈个人问题 I just don't want that personal conversation
好 我们来谈谈你想做的事和孩子 OK lets talk about what you'd hope to do and hope for the boys
我想做的事？ What I'd hope to do?
我其实.. I'd actually..
想回学校 I'd like to go back to school
想和社会上的人交流 跟上时代 so that I can hold a conversation with anyone in the world and know what I'm talking about
不再停滞不前 so that I'm not stuck
我有所了解 但不够 "well I know a little bit about that but I don't really know enough"
我想知道.. I'd love to know..
我想重新学习 actually I'd really love to start my education all over again
我妈生了5个女孩 倒了7年霉 My mum, 'cause she's got five girls she had seven years bad luck
因为才生了5个女孩 that's why she's got five girls
我想有个快乐的家 I'd like to be able to have a happy family
要一直快乐也不太现实 I know that's not possible to be happy all the time
但希望能尽可能快乐 but as much of the time that was possible
我不知苏西有啥我没有的 I don't know what Suzi's had, what's Suzi had that I haven't had?
你跟我在7岁、14岁和21岁时预期有不同吗？ Are you different from what I should've expected at seven, fourteen and twenty-one?
也许不多 但还是有 Maybe not enough but I've got it
我觉得我比你想的要聪明些 I think I'm more intelligent than you thought I would be
我的生活状况 I have reached a level..
是我喜欢的 in my life that I'm happy with
我喜欢这个样子 and I enjoy being me
但你好像没想过我会成为现在这样 but I don't think you ever expected me to turn out the way I have
- 李 怎样？ - 很棒！ - How was that Lee? - It was great!
李总是想胜过你 Yeah, Lee's always trying to better you!
我们要都喜欢杰弗里 会嫁给他 If we did all love Jeffrey and we all wanted to marry him
我知道他最喜欢谁 是她 I think I know the one that he'd like best and that's her
我应该不会太早结婚 I don't think I'd get married too early
我希望先体验生活 见见人 I'd like to have a full life first and meet people
- 先享受生活 - 是 再嫁人 - I'd like to enjoy myself before I.. - Yeah, before you commit yourself
我觉得婚后是另一世界 Marriage means a different thing to me
我对婚姻还是有想法 不太懂 I've still got my ideals about marriage I don't know what it's all about
苏24岁时嫁给比利 Sue was twenty-four when she married Billy
生了俩小孩 威廉和凯瑟琳 they had two children, William and Katherine
结婚太早总会错过一些 I think that to get married young there must be things that you miss
你就不能做自己了 you must miss that crucial stage of being yourself
你结了婚就不再是一个人 because the minute you get married you're no longer a single being
什么时候都要想到另一个人 you're a partnership and that should be the idea behind it
她35岁时和比利离了婚 By the time she was thirty-five she and Billy had divorced
我没去想怎么这样 出了什么问题 I've never sat down and thought.. well, what was it? was it this? was it that?
我只知道行不通 I just knew it wasn't working
我也遇过几个人 there has been relationships when I could've settled
但感觉不太对 所以 but they didn't feel quite right, so..
总是离离合合 I've always come away and pulled away
期待能遇到对的人 and just waited until the right one came along
希望有吧 if they ever do!
#你还记得说过你爱我吗宝贝# #Don't you remember you told me you loved me baby#
42岁时我们在卡拉OK厅拍苏唱歌 At forty-two when we filmed Sue in the karaoke bar
她带了格兰来 she brought Glen along to watch her sing
我们刚认识 处得挺愉快 现在非常快乐 We'd just met and things were going well but now obviously things are going very well
- 你爱他？ - 我想是的 - Is this love? - Oh I think so yeah
在7年前我们就认识很久了 We've know each other for a long time before the seven years
一直对对方有好感 and we've always always liked each other
- 他很帅 - 非常帅 - He's good looking - He's very good looking, he's not bad is he
人们说他像保罗·威勒 Everyone says he looks like Paul Weller
也不知真假 尤其现在他头发长了 whether that's true or not? especially now he's growing his hair
苏珊最喜欢莱斯利 Susan most of all likes Lesley
- 是吗？ - 不是吗？ - What? - Don't you think?
- 她的心思老变 - 我不知是哪个 - She keeps changing her mind though - Yeah I don't know which one really
凡事不是相互独立的 every thing's not that cut and dried
不是说要么事业要么家庭 it's not either career or family or..
而是处于其间的 是否要维持目前的样子 but is what's in the middle, am I just going to carry on as I am now? for?
孤身终老 and end up .... on the shelf?
还是结婚？说不准 or am I just going to get married? could be any day
我结过婚 没那么热衷 格兰.. I've been married and I've not got that urgency, Glen..
我们有这准备,一起买了房子 we say "maybe we will" we're engaged, committed and bought a house together
对我而言 这是重要的决定 and to me that's a big committment
每个房子都要花钱维护 every house needs money spending on it when you move in
办婚礼要花钱 to have a wedding you have to put some cash into it
我要结婚会为了生小孩 when I got married the primary reason was because I wanted a child
我们一起 the two to me went together
你和格兰有想要自己的孩子吗？ Have you and Glen thought of having your own child?
我和格兰在一起时 well Glen got with me when..
我已经40多了 we got together when I was in my forties
而且刚在一起也不会马上要小孩 and you don't have a baby when you've just started a relationship
我不想再来一遍 我是喜欢孩子 I didn't want to do all that again, I would've loved to have a baby
孩子给父母很多快乐 但时间过了 'cause he would make a wonderful parent but the timing was off
- 这是你的孩子？ - 是 是我的小宝贝 - So she's your baby? - She's my new baby yeah
小孩们是我的宝贝 但她是我的新宝贝 my kids are my babies but she's my new baby
她是我们的孩子 我和格兰的 she's our baby! mine and Glens!
她是只可爱的狗 非常有性格 she's a wonderful terrier, she's got such character
- 怎么说？ - 她和我们一起看电视 - What does she do? - Well she watches TV with us
有自己喜欢的节目 she's got her own favourite programs
她喜欢罗尔夫·哈里斯 很喜欢《动物医院》 and she adores Rolf Harris, absolutely adores Animal Hospital
音乐响时如果她在楼顶 and if she's at the top of the house and the music comes on
她会飞奔下来坐在电视前看哈里斯 she runs down the stairs and sits in front of the TV for Rolf Harris
- 这房子很漂亮 你喜欢吗？ - 非常喜欢 - The house looks nice, are you pleased with it? - I am very pleased with it
有了房子很开心 活动空间大了 it's a lovely step for us, we feel like we've got more space around us and..
什么事都在家里做 努力布置这个家 we've got to do everything inside but we can build on it and that's what we want
我们搬进来后说过要办个派对 we've been promising to have a house warming party since we moved in
现在有4个月了 差不多是时候 we've been here four months now so I thought it was about time
开始有人来串门 people are just starting to arrive now
你离开了东区 为什么？ So you left the Eastend, why?
我一直想搬出来 Well I've always wanted to move out
但一个人还带着两个孩子 机会不成熟 but you don't do that or the opportunity isn't there when you're on your own..
我希望我早搬了出来 with two kids, I wish I'd done it before
但不到时候 现在是到时候了 but it's timing, now is the right time obviously
东区已经不一样 变化很大 and the Eastend has changed, it's changed a lot
妈妈来看我 很方便 一趟火车就来了 mum comes down to me, it's so easy they can just jump on a train
车站走几步就到 所以挺好的 and the station is within walking distance so it's worked out wonderfully
有些人命好生在富人家 some people are just born into rich families and they're lucky
我不懂他们怎么就命好 别人就得一辈子辛苦 I don't see why they should have the luck when people have worked all their lives
所得却不到一半 这不公平 and haven't got as much as they have, it doesn't seem fair
你现在算上升了一个阶层吗？ So have you moved up a class now?
这很难说 所谓上等阶层 Well it's difficult to say, "upper" or "up a" class
我觉得算吧 I suppose it feels like that to me
现在我有挺自豪 又有了房子 now I've got the sense of pride, my own house
我在为将来奋斗 and I feel like I'm building for the future
我当单亲妈妈很久 自己把孩子带大 I've been a single parent for a long while and I've brought them up on my own
比利离开时凯瑟琳只有2岁 because Katherine was only two when Bill left
日子很艰难 有时挺孤单 it's been extremely hard and sometimes very lonely
我只能也必须一个人应付 I only had to have one filling, that was all I had done
威廉很迷电脑 从事这一行业 William's a computer addict, he works in the industry
回家就面对电脑 he also constantly has a computer on indoors
笑脸和视窗.. yeah smiley faces and windows..
他本可以上大学 这点他和我都知道 he could've gone to university and he knows that and I know that
我觉得挺遗憾 I do regret that for him
但我也是过来人 我当时也不想上 but I've been there, I can remember I didn't want to do that either
凯瑟琳在犹豫 她明年想去旅行 and Katherine's temping as she wants to do a bit of travelling next year
人们说她跟我年轻时一样 她挺像我 people say she's me reincarnated, she looks a bit like me
脾气像到十足 and her mannerisms are exactly like me
喜欢享受生活 and she likes to enjoy herself
和带着俩青少年的母亲谈恋爱 to go into a relationship with someone with two teenagers
应该不容易 他们之间有时会有冲突 it must've been very difficult for him and they do clash occasionally
我不喜欢 我是好脾气的人 不喜欢吵架 I hate it because I'm an easy going person and I don't like strife
孩子们有些事从小就这样 they're doing things the way I brought them up
而格兰不喜欢 which isn't the way that Glen would like things to be done, so..
得学会如何在同一屋檐下相处 you've got to learn to live together in the same house
学习相处之道 it'll always be a learning curve!
我是和事佬 I'm a peace maker!
孩子到上学的年纪时 When the children were old enough to go to school
苏出来工作 在办公室打过几份工 Sue went back to work and had a series of office jobs
现在伦敦的大学里帮忙做研究生课程 she now helps run the MA courses in the university of London
我还是在大学里工作 但现在伦敦市中心 I still work for the college but we moved to central London
我现在是课程主要负责人 now I'm the main administrator for the program..
不再是助理 现在有人帮忙了 instead of an assistant and I've got a couple of people who help me with that
海莉 帮我传真给玛丽好吗？ Hayley, could you fax that to Mary for me please?
- 你喜欢这份责任？ - 我挺喜欢的 - So you like the resposibility? - Yeah I love the resposibility
我想我生来就是做这个 很爱 I think I was born for the responsibility, yeah I love it
- 我没出过国 - 我也没 - 我出过 - Well I've never been abroad - No, nor have I - I have
- 对 你参加了巡游 - 是 - Oh yeah 'cause you went on that cruise didn't you - Yeah
每年我们去一次康沃尔或德文 once a year we go to Cornwall or Devon
每年去不同地方 带上狗狗 we try to find a different spot every year and we bring the dog
风景真美 it's just such a lovely place
你拐个弯 景色就不同 every time you turn a corner there's a different sight
你不知道会发现什么 一切都很美 you never know what you're going to find, everythings so beautiful
我们小时候都来过这里度假 印象很好 we both had childhood holidays here and good memories
我们就想回来 此后就经常来 and we decided to come back and we've been coming ever since
来这呆上一两星期挺好的 it's nice for us just to be a couple for a week
退休后 或者有幸在退休前 when we retire or maybe before if we get lucky
希望能来这里 this is the sort of place we'd like to come to
中间那栋 最靠近海滩 很不错 that one there right in the middle nearest the beach, that would be ideal
无以伦比 absolute perfect, the perfect place
帅！ oh that was a good one!
*拉丁语* *speaks Latin*
没错 大声点 把空填上 Yes speak up, fill up the gaps on the board
布鲁斯7岁时寄宿在预备学校 When he was seven, Bruce was at a pre-preparatory boarding school
14岁时在伦敦圣保罗学校 at fourteen, St. Paul's school in London
在圣保罗他们不会强调上等社会得如何如何 They don't enforce being upper class and things like that at St. Paul's
他们会说不该留长发 把头发剪了 they suggest that you don't have long hair and do get it cut
会教你待人礼貌 and they teach you to be reasonably well mannered
但举止得体不意味着耻笑穷人 but not to sniff on the poorer people
21岁时他是牛津数学系大四学生 At twenty-one he was in his last year at Oxford reading maths
这个约不掉 You can show that this is irreducible
于是转为X=T+2 then you do a transformation on this point and X = T + two
这么解很聪明啊 Good that's a nice way of doing it
用爱因斯坦的理论 很有说服力 particularly using Eisentstien down here, his test is very powerful
28岁时布鲁斯在伦敦东区教书 At twenty-eight Bruce was teaching maths in East London
我想去非洲 Well going to Africa
教导那些还未开化的人 and try and teach people who are not civilised
让他们变好一些 to be more or less good
35岁时他在孟加拉北部的锡尔赫特教书 At thirty-five, he was teaching in Sylhet in Northrn Bangladesh
我学了点孟加拉语 then I've also got the chance to learn a bit of Bangla
很难 学不好 which is very difficult, I'm not doing very well at
*孟加拉语* *Speaks Bangla*
42岁时布鲁斯回到东区 By forty-two Bruce is back in the Eastend
在一所女校管数学系 running the maths department at a girls school
49岁时候在圣奥尔本教书 at forty-nine he's teaching at St Alban's
一所独立男校 只在六年级收女生 a large boys independent school which has girls in the sixth form
我一周两次去唱诗班 周一和周五 去修道院 I sing in the choir twice a week on Monday's and Friday's we go to the Abbey
因为学校以前在修道院里 because in the early days the school was in the Abbey
在948年的时候 going back to 948
- 948年? - 是的 - 948? - Yes, so..
校长喜欢说我们在第三个千禧年 the head likes to say "we're in our third millenium"
- 学校有1千多年历史了？ - 是的 几经变化 - So the school's over a thousand years old? - Yes, in one form or another
- 第一步怎么做? - 乘以3 - What's the first thing we do? - I multiply by three
不是乘以3 是除以3 You don't multiply by three, you divide by three
在这教书有什么让人高兴的？ Tell me what's exciting about teaching here?
教的知识程度更高 There is a higher academic level to teach
学生的知识层面更高 then you can see pupils at a more developed level
让人赞叹 that flash of recognition
还有激发他们的兴趣 像我小时候一样 and engendering their love of the subject that I had at their age
社会存在阶层分化 there is a class society
私立学校维持这种分化 and I think private schools may help it's continuance
这算不算在政见上开始妥协了？ Has this been a compromise of political principles for you?
我得说 每个在城里辛苦教学的老师 I would say, have a million angels infront of every teacher
看待事物的角度数不胜数 who is prepared to slog away at an inner city school
为这份工作每天得面对这个问题 make way, this is somebody who is prepared to turn up each day for this job
图在哪？ Where's the graph?
- 60 - 没错 Sixty right
谚语说水滴石穿 that motto "water weareth away a stone by dripping on it, not by smashing it"
教学生就是这样 你不断引导他们 was a motto for teaching in that you kept on teaching them and
在潜移默化中改变他们 教育他们 that eventually it would get through and pupils would change and learn and so on
但结果却反过来 but in the end the reverse happened
我被水滴穿了 改变了 that water dripping on me, wore me away
我想.. I just thought
60岁前我做不来 所以得做点别的 I don't think I can do this until I'm sixty and so I have to do something else
你的老朋友会不会为此跟你过不去？ Do your old friends give you a hard time for what you've done?
肯定的 他们会说 They certainly do, they say..
你入了保守党吗 还是球会 共济会？ "have you joined the Tory party, the golf club, the Masons?"
你现在车子可名贵多了 之类 "you're driving a much better car than you used to" and so on
我女朋友在非洲 well my girlfriend is in Africa
我可能再无法见到她了 and I don't think I'll have another chance of seeing her again
- 你有女朋友吗? - 没 还没 - Have you got any girlfriends? - No, not yet
我会交 但还不到时候 I'm sure it will come but not yet
很多人会想尽办法交个女朋友 I do think a lot of people think too much about it
我会喜欢.. I think I would very much like to..
组成家庭 成个自己的家 become involved in a family, my own family for a start
这是我得实现的 that's a need that I feel I ought to fulfil
是我想要实现的 也会做好 and would like to fulfil and would do it well
没错我一直没结婚 yes I haven't got married or whatever
这事我本该一早完成的 and I suppose that would've been something which I'd hoped had happened
你现在会开始担心吗？ Well you're getting on a bit, are you getting worried?
也不 我挺乐观 说不定我明天就遇到了 Well not really, I'm always optimistic who knows who I might meet tomorrow
当时说着完全不相关的话 and in the middle of a conversation about something completely different
突然他问我是否愿意嫁给他 he just asked if I'd like to marry him
要不是我细心 都没听到 and if I hadn't been listening carefully I would have missed it completely
- 互相扶持和爱护 - 互相扶持和爱护 - To love and to cherish - To love and to cherish
- 此生不变 - 此生不变 - Till death us do part - Till death us do part
- 这是甜菜吗? - 应该是野草 - Is this a beetroot or something? - I think it's just a weed
你喜欢园艺吗？ Do you enjoy gardening?
佩妮指挥我干活 Well under Penny's directions I do whatever she asks
我什么也不懂 哪个先哪个后不知道 I don't know what to do here or what order to do things in
她和她妈很擅长这个 she and her mother are quite good at this
那你是当劳力了？ So you're the labourer?
我是免费的劳力 是农奴 Yes, I'm the unpaid labourer, the serf
还是家奴什么的 佩妮会给你正确的名词 the Feudal Vassel or whatever, Penny will give you the correct medieval term
我们不常吵架 We don't argue very much
至今没真正吵过 Not really, we haven't really had a full blown row
我们争吵只两句 然后自己生一天闷气 Our arguments tend to be two sentences and I go off and sulk for 24 hours
- 你怎样? - 很好 谢谢 - How are you doing dear? - Fine thank you
他有改掉一个习惯 我不再让他道歉 one positive influence on him, I've stopping him apologising
我刚遇见他时他老说对不起 对不起 when I first knew him he kept saying "sorry, sorry"
有些事根本不用道歉 and apologised for things that didn't need apologising for
也许只是因为当时还没结婚 maybe it's just 'cause we weren't married then
- 想给你个好印象 - 好吧 - You see I was winning you over then - Yes that's right!
- 你厨艺很强吗? - 只是做意大利面强 - Were you the world's greatest cook? - Well only pasta
你会谈感情问题吗？ If you have emotional issues will you talk about them?
我跟大多男人一样不太谈这个 Well I have the usual male reticence about that kind of thing
佩妮要让我不好过 只要说来谈感情 If Penny wanted to give me a hard time she'd say "talk about your feelings"
这比生一天闷气还难受 that would be worse than a 24 hour sulk
也许会生小孩 难说 We may have children I don't know
如果7年后住的房子大点 if in seven years time or so we're living in a slightly bigger house..
家里有孩子会很不错 with a young family that would be nice
但不想把一切希望寄托在这 结果却落空 I don't want to pin all my hopes on it and nothing happens
我们年龄挺大了 we are quite old
我知道五十几岁人孩子才十来岁是挺怪的 I can see bringing up teenage children in your fifties might be a bit strange
来 亨利 上来 come on then Henry, get on
会比你想的更累吗？ is it more tiring than you thought?
没带过真不知道这么没觉可睡 until you're doing it you don't realise how sleep deprived you get
不知道要累好几年 and how totally exhausted you are all the time for several years
- 还真难捱 - 有时我8点半就睡了 - That came as quite a shock - Sometimes I go to bed at 8:30!
真可笑 which is ridiculous
我有时比亨利和乔治还早睡 infact, I sometimes go to bed before Henry and George!
他很像他爸 He looks like his father doesn't he
乔治的颧骨是布鲁斯家都有的 Hmm, George has got the cheek bones that run in Bruce's family
那我有啥？ and what have I got?
eh?
这不好说 ooh! that's hard to answer darling
这是我5到8岁时上的第一所学校 We're at my first school where I was from about five to eight
我在这呆了3年 and this is where I stayed for three years
我记得开心的时候 I can remember being happy there
也记得不伤心的时候 I can remember also being miserable
我记得我哭过 because I can remember crying
我老是挨打 都不知道为啥 I always seemed to be beaten on and never used to understand why
立正！ Squad halt!
- 为什么来这? - 我父母离婚了 - You were here because? - My parents were seperated and divorced
为了让我有稳定的环境 接受教育 and just to give me a stable place to be and be educated
一切问题都解决了 it was a solution to all those problems
我最想见我爸爸 my hearts desire is to see my daddy
他在6千英里外 who is six thousand miles away
我跟父亲很少接触 I did miss contact with my father, and
有时跟佩妮说笑 说该送他们去寄宿学校了 although I say it as a joke to Penny "time to send them boarding, as I was"
她说除非她死了 我也不想 and she says "over my dead body" but I wouldn't want that either
5年前他们从东区搬到布鲁斯新学校附近 Five years ago the family moved from the Eastend to be near Bruce's new school
很安静 适合孩子 感觉挺安全 it's very quiet, it's child friendly and it just feels very safe
你有了小孩后 安全问题很重要 and that's very important when you have small children, that the area feels safe
当年哪些你没有的 你现在能给他们？ what can you give them that you didn't have?
和父亲交流 给他们爱 contact with a father that is loving
他们感受到后能去爱别人 and they can realise that and show that love to other people
会知道自己不争气会让我失望 and realise when they're letting both themselves and me down
我会引导他们成长 I can be a guiding light for them
还会再要小孩吗？ Do you want any more children?
Well..
布鲁斯说过组个板球队 Bruce was originally talking about a cricket team
他现在第一棒有了 就看他运气了 but he's got his opening batsman and that's going to be his lot, frankly
我要你明天来打 别以为挖苦就不用来 I want you to play tomorrow, I'm not going to drop you from sarcasm!
我带了一只少年队 13岁以下 I run one of the junior teams here, the under thirteens
周六大概有200个男生来 nearly two-hundred boys there doing that on a saturday
比其他事更能吸引他们 rather than other things that could waylay them
在队里打球 互相掩护照应 so that combination of playing in a team and the ability to back each other up
发展出友谊 这很不错 and form friendships that's such a nice thing
周末布鲁斯和邻居玩板球 At weekends Bruce plays village cricket
不在乎输赢 能赢当然好 We don't really mind who wins and loses, we obviously prefer to win
我们每年有巡回赛 去德文 and we go on tour every year and go down to Devon
球友都挺不错 有些人都认识25年了 it's such a nice bunch of mates and I've known some of them for twenty-five years
你能一直玩到60岁 you can play it at a reasonable level until your in your sixties
你球技如何？ and what about your batting skills?
我算有点有勇无谋 所以都在后期上场 I'm mainly a bit of a slogger so I tend to bat down the order 6,7,8
有时很快就出局了 但上次我得了50分 it can be brief but the last time I played I got fifty
你担心过未来吗？ Do you have fears for the future?
我有点担心孩子 希望他们避免接触毒品 I'm kind of worried that the boys will turn out alright, I hope they avoid drugs
所谓天伦之乐 就是看着他们熟睡和玩耍 to see them sleeping or carrying them around is just fantastic
他们的气息和样子真的.. and the smell of them and the look of them is just..
让你很想保护他们 不让他们受伤害 you just want to protect them from everything that's harmful to them
回顾7岁时 你现在还有当时的样子吗？ When you look back at yourself at seven can we see you now?
我都认不出我自己 他看来有点失落和悲伤 I can't really recognise myself, he looks a little bit lost and sad, I think
我还挺意外我现在这么知足常乐的 I'm quite surprised to be contented and reasonably happy
你有梦想吗？ Do you have a dream?
我要能参加国际板球赛就好了 但还不够格 I would've liked to play international cricket but I wasn't good enough
日常生活会消磨人们的斗志 one's dreams go in the day to day living of ordinary life
慢慢就淹没在家庭生活里 and family life takes over
现在已经没有梦想了 I think we just sort of live without our dreams
我不喜欢学长打我们 I don't like the big boys hitting us
还有校监随便罚我们出去 and the prefects sending us out for nothing
保罗7岁时在伦敦的儿童之家 When he was seven, Paul was in care in a children's home in London
你在英国儿童之家开心吗？ were you happy at the children's home in England?
无所谓开不开心 我什么都不懂 We didn't mind that really as we didn't know what was going on
还太小了 'cause I was a bit young then
一开始我父母就分开了 well my mother and father separated originally I think
后来离了婚 they eventually got divorced
我在寄宿学校读了1年 然后移民澳洲 I went to the boarding school for one year, then we emigrated to Australia
保罗和父亲继母一起住在墨尔本市郊 Paul settled with his father and step-mother in a suburb of Melbourne
在婚姻不幸的家庭长大 对你有何影响？ what mark has it left on you, the fact you were brought up in a bad marriage
我想到的唯一影响就是缺乏自信 The only thing I can say may have came from that is my lack of confidence
还有不懂表达情感 and being able to show my feelings
你会想结婚吗？ Would you like to get married Paul?
- 为什么不？ - 我不喜欢.. - Tell me why not - I don't like ...
要是有了老婆 say you had a wife
你得吃她煮的饭菜 say you had to eat what they cooked you
而我不喜欢吃青菜 and say, I don't like vegetables, well I don't
我喜欢一个人呆着 I know I prefer to be alone really
我也不是不想结婚 我想的 I can't say I don't want to get married, 'cause I think I do
但我喜欢婚姻能幸福 所以会很谨慎 but I want to be happily married and therefore I want to make sure
你喜欢上他哪点？ What was it that you fell in love with, what is it about him?
可能是他的无助吧 激发我了的母爱 His helplessness I suppose, brings out the mothering instinct in me
想把他抱起来哄 can pick him up and cuddle him and
我觉得他挺帅的 但他不承认 he's also very good looking I think but he doesn't agree with me
夏天身材超好 and in the summer he's got this cute little bum in shorts
要说起来一大堆 I can tell quite a few stories here but
但最让我受不了的是我们一吵架 the one that really irritates me the most is when we have an argument he says
他就叫我走开 我说终有一天我会的 "that's it, leave me" and I say "fine alright, I will one day"
圣诞前我们庆祝结婚20周年 We had our twentieth wedding anniversary just before christmas
跟无期徒刑一样 Which was a life sentence
人们都以为我们该刑满释放了 Yeah! everyone reckons we should be out of jail by now
有时我们会想 我真的认识这个人吗？ To a certain extent we started thinking "do we really know each other now?"
每天都做同样的事 because you just get into the routine of..
上班下班 带小孩 going to work, coming back home, taking the kids here and there
其实也不是故意 但会慢慢忽视了对方 I don't think you mean to but you probably stop thinking of each other alot
我总是无法表达自己的情感 I find it hard to express emotion most of the time
虽然我的情感很丰富 although I'm getting on top of that
我现在也很开心 I'm more than happy now
对苏珊也只有一句“我爱你”之类 just the simple things to say to Susan, like "I love you" or something like that
我可以和你讲 I mean I can tell you about it but
但对苏珊总是开不了口 I really haven't been able to say it freely to Sue, y'know?
要说起来不容易 但我有做过咨询 It's a bit hard to talk about but I did have to get a bit of help
也不是家庭问题 一开始是工作的问题 it wasn't directly due to our relationship, it started at work sadly
让我变得自卑 接着影响了一切 which brought my self esteem down which affected everything else
我有幸遇到一位当地的医生 and I was very fortunate that I saw a local doctor
在她帮助下我现在已经恢复了 with her help I started properly coming back to normal thinking
我有些担心我们的关系 I was feeling a little worried about the relationship
觉得自己没有长进 as I felt I hadn't progressed and I was going backwards
我现在仍这样想 and I still believe that
我老是想 苏珊干嘛要和一个.. I was thinking that "why would Susan want to be with someone as..."
这么无聊的人一起 it sounds funny but "as boring as me"
我一无是处 'cause there was nothing there, what do I do?
怎么说呢 How do I say it?..
我很吃惊他对我们的关系这么悲观 it was a shock that he got that low and doubted the relationship
有一样我没怀疑过 就是他对我的爱 because one thing I've always known is Paul's never doubted his love for me
我从未怀疑这一点 it's always been there and I've never doubted it either
你们夫妻生活受到影响吗？ Did the physical side of your marriage suffer?
有的 I think it did
- 我想有的 - 有些影响 - I think it did really - For a little while
但从结婚第一天我们就谈好 But we promised ourselves when we first got married that..
不会避免接触对方 对对方冷淡 we'd never stop touching or being affectionate towards each other
在孩子面前 我们还是.. and infront of the children, we've always been..
现在在凯蒂和罗伯特面前 我们还是常拥抱 even now with the children, we still embrace a lot, both Katie and Robert
凯蒂会说 别这样 妈 Katie will sometimes say "Mother...stop it!"
我想当警察 但应该很难 I was going to be a policeman but I thought how hard it would be to join in
还没想好 本想当体育老师 I just haven't made up my mind yet I was gonna be a gym teacher but
但我老师说 one of the teachers told me that
我得有大学文凭 I had to get up into the university
21岁时保罗在一工厂当水泥工 At twenty-one, Paul was a junior partner for a firm of bricklayers
28岁时他自己当包工头 by twenty-eight he had gone out on his own as a sub-contractor
给自己打工时觉得一切挺好 When I started working for myself things were looking good for me
我没上学 对这非常热衷 I was out of school, it was something I was very enthusiastic about
可是就像追着萝卜的骡子 永远得不到 and I was chasing the dangling carrot but never got there
我是个工匠 不是生意人 really, I'm a worker and not a business man
42岁时保罗在工厂工作 by the time he was forty-two, Paul was doing factory work
给塑料厂做标识 making signs for a plastics company
工作的前景如何？ What's the future for you at work?
活还有得干就是了 Well the job's still there
我有问过他们会不会炒了我 I've had talks with them about whether they're ushering me out the door
他们说不会 虽然我还不算老 但会担心 they say they're not, not that I'm that old but it's a bit of a worry..
我的能力能否得到份全职 about getting a fulltime job with my skill levels
苏的主要工作是帮人剪头发 Sue had been a hairdresser for most of her working life
49岁时她换了工作 but at forty-nine she has a new career
在养老院当医疗师 as an occupational therapist at a retirement home
40来岁算年纪渐长了 但学无止境 you might be in your forties and getting older but you still have a lot to add and..
你还是可以学习不同的东西 我算完全转型了 and you can learn to go in a different direction, I call this my sea change
- 你有远大志向吗？ - 现在没了 - Do you have ambitions? - Not really now
我在这做了10年 从没要求过加薪 I've been in this job ten years and never asked for a payrise
我就是这样的人 that's just what I've always been like
家庭生活有因此受影响吗？ Has it affected home life at all?
有一点影响 It has affected a little bit because..
保罗回家不再那么常看到我 I'm not there at home as much as I used to be for when Paul got home
是会..我相信别人也会这样觉得 it can be, and I'm sure I'm not the only one...
会有点吃惊 回到家发现一个人也没有 it can be quite startling when you get home and think "there's no one here"
- 30年来我都是这样 - 还是不一样 - When I've been here for 30 years to come home to - It's really different
28岁时他们生了两孩子 凯蒂和罗伯特 By the time they were twenty-eight, they had two children, Katie and Robert
凯蒂学习很好 在大学里学考古 Katie did well at school and got a place at university to study archeology
这是我去塞浦路斯照的像 they're photos of the dig in Cyprus that I went on
我们在村子附近挖掘青铜时代的墓地 and we were digging in bronze age tombs that are around the village
你是家里第一个上大学的 有挣扎过吗？ You're the first person in the family to go to university, was it a struggle?
有一点 我都得靠自己 It was a bit as I had to do it all by myself
没人能帮我 爸妈也不懂我的论文 I had nobody to help me as mum and dad couldn't help me with my essays
什么是大学？ What does university mean?
凯蒂让我很开心 I'm pretty happy with Katie
对罗伯特也不会强求 因我有些担心他 and I'm not having a go at Rob but I've got fears for Robert
他有困难要克服 'cause he's struggling a little bit
罗伯特在当汽车修理工 Robert has trained as a car mechanic
他有读写障碍 在努力克服中 He's got reading and writing difficulties and he's coping with that
他现在大了些 我们想让他读点文学 we'd like to see him doing a literacy course now he's a bit older
不过养家糊口的压力真的不小 but just day to day troubles with making ends meet with money that's always hard
我一用电话他就发飙 He went nuts at me for using the phone
说王八蛋还不干活 混蛋老打电话 "there's enough in that fucking garage you cunts you fucking do this all the time"
罗伯特遗传你哪些？ What's Robert got that you gave him?
性格抑郁 他比我还抑郁 Moodiness, I think he's even a little bit more moody than I've ever been
他没我21岁时那么轻松 he's not your average relaxed twenty-one year old
你在干嘛？ What you doing?
我们只生了两个孩子 因为觉得没法爱更多了 We only had two children as we thought we couldn't love any more children
但现在两个孙子我们也很爱 as much as we loved our two and now we have our two grand kids and we love them
- 就像爱自己孩子一样 - 是的 - You love them as much, really do - As much, yeah
罗伯特和斯泰西会在一起多久 我们不知道 With Rob and Stacy we don't know how long they're going to last for
我一直祈祷他们能坚持下去 and I keep my fingers crossed they will last
只希望他们像我们一样 we can only hope that they work at it like we do
很好 谢谢 That's better, thank you
20几岁时 保罗和苏把家产变卖成房车游澳洲 In their twenties Paul and Sue sold up bought a van and travelled Australia
我们更靠近彼此 更了解彼此 I think it brought us closer together because we really got to know each other
很依赖对方 and we relied on each other so much
我们对孩子付出最多的就是陪在他们身边 One of the most important things we ever did with our kids was spend time with them
特别在假期时候 and particularly when you've got holidays
像很多家长 带他们去野营 which a lot of parents do, go camping with them
这个野营车有19年了 we've been camping there now for 19 years
我们第一次来时罗伯特2岁 as Robert was two when we first went there
比房车还老？ So does this beat the old van?
这跟房车比起来简直是豪华酒店了 This is the Hilton compared to that old van
现在孩子都大了 你们有什么旅游计划吗？ So have you got any plans for any big trips now the children have gone?
我们有想再出去 I think we'd like to do something again but..
但得攒够几个月的开销 you need to have the finances to support yourself for a few of months
管厕所的人把保姆叫来 and the monitors up in the wash room sends the nurse out
说不许说话 可我没说话 "well there's no talking" "no I wasn't talking today"
我跟马和动物处得比较来 I'm more at peace around the horses and the animals
难过生气时 就来骑马 I can be upset and on edge and come down to the horses
只消3、4分钟 就忘得干干净净 and within three or four minutes I've forgotten everything
会让我平静下来 so it does calm me down
上次我来时你有些马 现在马呢？ The last time I came you had the horses, what's happened to the horses?
给了别人 因为花销太大了 Well we gave Poinken away to some people because it was a little bit expensive
而且现在也不再感兴趣了 and also the fun went out of it basically
- 那你现在怎样平和心情? - 去跑步 - How do you get that peace now? - I think I got it through running
周日早上会去拉练 保罗去长跑 Well most Sunday mornings we go training when Paul's doing marathons
他跑很长路 我则骑车跟着 when he runs great distances I follow on the bike as a bit of support
帮他拿水 免得他渴了 and I take drinks for him so he doesn't get dehydrated
这是我们能一起做的 it's something we can do together so we do that
我们没跑太远 We're not doing any great distances..
我膝盖受过伤 现在在复健 I have an injured knee, I'm just building it up so it gets used to running again
我参加过城市马拉松赛 那是我第一次参加马拉松 I did the Host City marathon, that was my first marathon I did
在悉尼有奥运招募赛 任何人都可报名 up in Sydney they trialed the Olympic course and it was open to anyone
我觉得如果要长跑 这个活动不错 so I figured if you were going to do a marathon that would be the one to do
我快给累死 但很开心 I nearly died but I enjoyed it!
对我来讲 快乐就是爱生活和爱别人 happiness to me is a love for life and a love for people
回首你的婚姻和家庭 有什么遗憾吗？ When you look back on the marriage and the family, any regrets?
没 有想过多些孩子 但谁知道有了又怎样 No, we wish we'd had more children but who knows if we'd had them..
- 会觉得太多了 - 可能两人都得进疯人院 - We'd have said "too many!" - We might be both in the nut house!
没有家庭你一无所有 Without a family what have you got? nothing
我是这样认为 well that's the way I feel
- 比工作成就更重要? - 是 - More than work and achievements? - Yeah
只有家庭和健康才是最重要的 You've got nothing unless you've got family and health anyway
没有家庭真的太孤单了 it would be awfully lonely without family I think
苏西 你有男朋友吗？ Tell me, do you have any boyfriends Suzy?
有 Yes
说说看 Tell me about them
他在苏格兰 Well he lives up in Scotland
现在13岁 and I think he's thirteen
苏西 你有男朋友吗？ Have you got any boyfriends Suzy?
你怎样看待婚姻？ What is your attitude towards marriage?
自己的看法 for yourself?
我不知道 没怎么想过 Well I don't know, I haven't given it a lot of thought
我不太看好 'cause I'm very, very cynical about it
会有些相信婚姻 but then you get a certain amount of faith restored in it
我有朋友父母婚姻很幸福 I've got friends and their parents are happily married
让我有了些信心 and so it does put faith back into you, but
但我对自己不太看好 me myself I'm very cynical about it
上次见你是21岁 那时你很紧张 猛抽烟 When I last saw you at twenty-one you were nervous, chain-smoking, uptight
现在看你很快乐 and now you seem happy
过去7年发生了什么变化？ what's happened to you over these last seven years?
可能因为鲁伯特吧 Well I suppose Rupert
- 有部分归功于你 - 谢了！ - I'll give you some credit - Thank you!
因为我不是老烟枪 I'm not a chain-smoking person
婚姻不能随意对待 I think, you can't just walk through a marriage
结婚后不会总是玫瑰啊什么 and think once you get married it's all going to be roses and everything forever
你得.. y'know you have..
人人都有吵架的时候 well everybody has their rows, but
但我们吵架总能和好 we've never yet had a row that we haven't managed to sort out
两人之间的事说不清的 it's very hard to actually say what it is that goes on between a couple
总有这些那些事 it's either there or it's not
我们结婚27年了 We've been married twenty-seven years now
每个婚姻的有其高潮和低谷 any marriage has its ups and downs but somehow
但凭借运气和决心 我们撑过来了 whether through luck or determination we've worked through the difficult times
他对我一向体贴照顾 he's just always been there for me, and..
我可以信任他 I know I can rely on him and..
我们都是对方的出气筒 he's my punch-bag in the same way I'm probably his
但这挺好 but it works
我结婚了要生两个孩子 When I get married I'd like to have two children
现在我不太想要小孩 今后可能也不 I'm not very children minded at the moment and I don't know if I ever will be
- 你怎样看待孩子? - 我不喜欢婴儿 - What do you think about them? - well, I don't like babies
28岁时苏生了两个儿子 托马斯和奥利弗 At twenty-eight, Suzi had two sons, Thomas and Oliver
35岁时有了个女儿 劳拉 by the time she was thirty-five, Suzi had a daughter, Laura
- 妈妈 - 怎么了? - 劳拉叫你 - Mummy - Yeah? - Laura wants you
孩子在干吗呢？ So what are the children up to?
他们.. They are..
托马斯在伦敦 毕业了在那工作 Tom is living in London having graduated and now working and living in London
奥利弗在这工作 住家里 Olly is working and living at home
劳拉在考高中 and Laura is doing her AS exams
他们第一次离开我们时 我很难适应 it was difficult when they first started to move away
回忆孩子成长的日子 all those memories of the children growing up
好像那一章已结束了 再回不去 it's like a closed chapter now as you can't bring those days back
我羡慕现在年轻人充满自信的样子 what I admire about the young today is their confidence
我真希望自己当时也有 and that's what I wished I'd had
他们会勇于迎接生活挑战 they just seem to take life and deal with it
你平时做什么？ What sort of things do you do?
骑马、游泳、网球、乒乓球 Ride, swim, play tennis, ping-pong
有时打槌球 and I might play croquet
诸如此类 something like that
我儿时的日子确实很舒坦 I did have a privileged childhood
但你总得为自己的生活负责 but you have to take responsibility for your life somewhere along the line
有些人很早就为自己打拼 and some people take responsibility earlier than others
而我还是有些迟了 I was just a bit later in taking it
现在也许是第一次.. maybe now is the first time that...
我为自己高兴 经历这么多年我才有这感觉 I actually feel happy within my own skin, it's taken me a long time to do it
但过往犯的错我会接受 but I feel that I can accept wrong decisions that I've made in the past
我能坦然接受自己 面对生活 I'm comfortable with it now, I can live with it
你怎样看待节目里你的样子？ So what's it been like for you being in these films?
很不容易 很痛苦 Very difficult very painful
这段旅程并不值得高兴 not an experience I've enjoyed in any way
每7年就会翻开一些事情 every seven years it throws up issues that..
这些事是我们想埋在心底的 we all learn to put into compartments
但总是不断给摊开来 很不好受 and then it all gets opened up again and it's difficult
我们都身在其中 不管出于什么原因都参与了 we were all landed in it and most of us for whatever reason have chosen to do it
我不是开朗自信的人 I'm not an outgoing confident person
喜欢保有隐私 I like my privacy, I don't like..
不想给人指指点点 however many million people picking over my life
你觉得他们对你指指点点了？ and is that what they do, you think?
有时会 不过那是以前的事了 I think for a couple of minutes, yes, then it's yesterdays news
人们看了以为我们就是这样子 and people seem to read into what they think we all think
让我不好受 which I find very hurtful
他们会以为我会怎样认为 其实根本不是 as most of them come up with things that are not like what's going on in my head
她没事啦 I think she might be alright
人们跑到别人生活里问东问西 What's the point of people going into peoples lives and saying
我不觉得有什么意义 "Why do you like this and why don't you?" I don't see any point in it
这节目让你受够了吗？ So have you had enough of being in the film?
谁知道7年后会不会再拍呢 who knows in seven years whether it will be done again but..
但我这么跟你说 this is me saying
明年我就满半百了 真希望不再拍了 hopefully I'll reach my half century next year and I shall bow out
我长大了要去探索月球 When I grow up I'd like to find out all about the moon and all that
尼克 约克夏农场的孩子 Nick, a farmer's son, grew up in the Yorkshire dales
我是喜欢物理和化学 但不会在这儿做 I said I was interested in physics and chemistry, well I'm not going to do that here
14岁时读寄宿学校 at fourteen he was away boarding school
21岁时在牛津读物理 and at twenty-one reading physics at Oxford
你会从事什么职业？ So what career are you going to pursue?
这得看我有没有能力做自己想做的事 It depends whether I'll be good enough to do what I want to really do
如果可以 我想做研究 I would like if I can to do research
28岁时他搬到美国 By twenty-eight he had moved to America
在威斯康星大学研究核能 and was doing nuclear research at the University of Wisconsin
核聚变产生的能量 The fusion reaction gives off energy and produces the power that would
能转化成电能 为消费者提供能源 be turned into electrical energy and sent out to the consumer
- 里面温度多高? - 大约1千万度 - How hot is it in there? - In there, it's about ten million degrees
35岁时他是副教授 at thirty-five he was an associate professor
42岁时为正教授 and at forty-two, a full professor
过去1年半时间我在写书 and I've spent the last year and a half writing a couple of books
我的目标是在科学界出名 而非在这节目出名 my ambition is to be more famous for doing science than for being in this film
很不幸看来不太可能 but unfortunately it's not going to happen!
那段时间内尼克的研究遇到难题 Over the years, Nick's research hit trouble
49岁时他放弃了该课题 and by forty-nine he's had to abandon it
因为用于存储高温气体的容器无法研制出来 because the containers needed to store the hot gases couldn't be developed
你有想过自己的努力会付诸东流吗？ Was there a moment when you realised all you'd been doing wasn't going to work?
我是渐渐意识到的 有段时间不愿承认 I think it was more gradual, I didn't want to admit it for quite a while
我原本很有信心 结果太失望了 I really believed in it, it was a huge let down
这片区域便是这条边乘以这条边 so the area that I'm looking at is this times this
我不知教育的欲望从哪来 好像一直都在 I don't know why I have a compulsion to teach, it was always there in me
我想教学生 这也是我擅长的 I just wanted to do it, I thought I'd be good at it
我走进教室 跟学生解释 when I go into a classroom I try to explain to them..
他们该怎样怎样 就像为他们打开一扇门 why they might want to do it, that's my attempt to open a door for them
希望你们记得 我这么傻傻的说 so I'm hoping you will remember me being very stupid and saying..
嗷 箭头出来了 记住了 "Ow, there's arrows coming out of here" can we do that?
他们能从书本学得知识 they can get information from a book
而我要比书本更生动有趣 I have to make the information more interesting than a book
我注定要一直不断重复.. I'm doomed to do this over and over and over...
人们都觉得我不像工程师 and nobody's ever said that I was a typical engineer
学生总开工程师的玩笑 我记得一个 the under-graduates tell jokes about engineer's, the only one I can repeat is
你怎知这工程师性格是否外向？ How can you tell if an engineer is an extrovert?
答案是：和你讲话时看的是你的鞋子而非自己的 and the answer is - He looks at YOUR shoes when he's talking to you
有人说科学家和数学家都是孤僻的人 somebody had a theory that scientists and mathematicians are almost autistic
我还挺称得上孤僻的 I could easily be borderline autistic!
我有时会不太懂别人的想法 I don't quite understand how other people feel about things at times
你有女朋友吗？ Do you have a girl friend?
我不想回答 I don't want to answer that
我不想回答这种问题 I don't want to answer those kind of questions
我就知道你会问 I thought that one would come up because when I was..
上次你问我这问题 when I was doing the other one somebody said
问我怎么看女孩 我说我不想答 "what do you think about girls?" and I said "I don't answer questions like that
所以你又来问了 我就知道 is that the reason you're asking it? yeah I thought so
最佳答案还是我不想回答 the best answer would be to say that I don't answer questions like that
我7岁时就答了 现在还是一样 it was what I said when I was seven and it's still the most sensible
我真的不懂她们 but I mean, what about them?
我第一次见他时他17岁 Nick was only seventeen when I first met him
你要跟一个认为女人结婚就得每晚准时做饭的人.. If you've been somebody who.. who had fixed ideas of a woman's role in marriage that meant.. dinner on the table at six every evening
这是我说的？ Didn't I tell you about that?
他妻子杰琦也在大学教书 生了个儿子亚当 His wife Jackie also taught at the university and they had a son, Adam
6年前他们离了婚 six years ago they divorced
非常不容易 Well it was incredibly hard
我和有同样经历的人谈过 what I concluded, and I've talked to other people who have gone through it
我不知他们会不会这么难受 但我像死过一回 I'm not sure if they feel it as strongly as I did but it was like a death
什么都有可能 也许说分就分了 Anything could happen, we could easily drift apart
现在人们压力太大了 there are so many pressures on people
如果伴侣去世 你回想起来会希望往日能长久 If your spouse died you could look back and say "it was wonderful while it lasted"
但离婚的话你无法回顾以前 but in a divorce you can't look back and say..
觉得往日是快乐的 "these are all happy memories"
这不是我决定的 it wasn't my decision
她回英国 她父亲病了 she went to England, her father was ill
她刚下飞机他父亲就死了 by the time she'd landed he'd died and when she came back..
等到她回来好像完全变了个人 it was like a different person came back
这是我的责任吗？ was I responsible?
也许我该更果敢 I could've been braver about some things
但也许这会使婚姻结束更快 but if I'd been braver it might've ended sooner
我可以跟你出来面谈 但只在车库见你 好吗？ you can talk to me by myself outside but I'll just meet you by the garage, ok?
- 好吧 - 好 再见 - Alright - Alright bye
这真的不好处理 最糟糕的是.. It's enormously hard to deal with, the worst part of it was..
我儿子受到的影响 seeing how it would affect my son
- 他当时几岁? - 10岁 - How old was he? - Ten
他刚听到这消息时 非常难过 when he was first told he was terribly, terribly upset
然后把自己封闭起来 不愿再谈 then he just pulled himself together and didn't want to talk about it anymore
他很努力在适应 he's made the most of it, I mean the best of it
他真的尽了全力 made the best that he can of it
悠着点 亚当 最重要别撞车 take it easy Adam, the main thing is not to crash
- 你不喜欢我撞车? - 不要! - Really? You don't like me crashing? - No!
- 他现在怎样? - 我不和我谈这个 - How does he deal with it now? - He doesn't talk to me about it much..
根本不谈 他很内向 at all, he's a private person
我的生活没他在身边 非常难过 it's very, very hard for me to be.. spending a large part of my time with him not around
嗨 格雷姆 Hey Graham
你在干吗？ what you doing?
我参加毕业典礼 有个学生得了博士学位 I had to go to a graduation, one of my students was getting his PHD
他请我和他一起去 and he insisted I go there with him
我看见了身后的克丽丝 and I looked around and the person behind me was Chris
嗨 格雷姆 Hey Graham
她成了我现在的妻子 who is my new wife
你好吗？ are you ok?
- 你立马爱上他了? - 一见钟情 - Did you fall in love quickly? - Immediately
但你觉得我要找不回你我就没戏了 Except you decided that if I couldn't find you I had failed the test
我觉得应该他来找我 I decided it was his work to find me
毕业典礼后我们有握手 we did shake hands at the end of graduation
互相交换名字 但他即刻就忘了 stood up and said who we were but he immediately forgot
他都记不得 he couldn't remember
我知道了她是谁 没啥事了 就忘了 "ok I know who she is so I don't have to worry about that anymore" so I forgot!
真的 我就这样 I do! that's very me
她来学校见我 我都不记得她的样子 she came down to the school to meet me and I barely knew what she looked like
我看见她想 应该是这个吧 然后我就这样 I looked at her and thought "I guess that's her" and I looked and did this
她也跟着我这样 这动作让我一时间 and she did a mirror image of that gesture and I thought..
说不清 但让我突然对她动了心 I can't explain but I felt very strongly drawn to her by that little gesture
我没办法对他说不 and there was no way I would say no to being married to this man
我想和他在一起 I wanted to be with him
他改变了我的生活吗？天翻地覆 has he changed my life? dramatically
我的性格改变了吗？应该有 have I changed as a person? I hope so
我不想显得肤浅 但她是最漂亮的 I don't mean to be superficial but she's the most beautiful woman I've ever seen
- 他性感吗？ - 是的！ - Is he sexy? - Hell yes!
非常 absolutely
你不也喜欢吗？ didn't you have fun with that one?
我只有一孩子考特尼 他也只有一个孩子 I only have one child, Courtney and he only has one child
也算对称 there's a symmetry with that
你们会想生个孩子吗？ Would you ever have wanted a child together?
当然想 但不太可能 well absolutely but it's not exactly practical
- 就只是.. - 算了 - So we're just... - No..
格雷姆带给我们一些欢乐 and Graham's added an element that's just joy
而尼克就像个孩子 and I know Nick likes little guys, he just likes little kids
节假日他们喜欢到乡下 they'd like to come out for a holiday in the country
而我节假日喜欢到城里 when I'd like to have a holiday in the town
离故乡那么远总是难处不少 it is very difficult being in a place where you're..
你没有可以依赖的社交圈 far way from all your background and you don't have any support network
我父母都还健在 my parents are alive, they've both had very significant health issues
我父亲总说想要长命不可柔弱 my father keeps pointing out that old age isn't for sissy's
你得有个秘书 you need a secretary
尼克有两弟弟在英国 安德鲁和克里斯托弗 Nick has two younger brothers back in England, Andrew and Christopher
克里斯托弗失聪 他离婚时和妈说 Christopher, the deaf one got divorced and he said to my mother..
尼克能离我也能 "that if Nicky could do it then so could I"
这是和上次不同之处 so that changed
你怀念英国吗？ Are you missing England?
我一直怀念英国 I always miss England
我不是能离家万里的人 I was really not the sort of person who should ever have moved very far
尼克42岁时我们送他回到戴尔斯 When he was forty-two we took Nick back to where he grew up in the Dales
有哪些你在这学到并终身不变的？ What did you learn here that you've carried with you?
我觉得你好像能看穿我 I feel as if you could look deep somewhere inside me
我身上总有这里的影子 I feel like there's some of this in me somewhere
这儿挺壮丽 但也阴郁 I think of it as being magnificent but rather grim really
很强硬 也很凄凉 it's very uncompromising and sometimes it's rather tragic
跟这比起来 其他地方都微不足道 but it makes other places you go seem rather trivial as well
这是我们的戴尔斯房 We call it one of our Dales rooms
很多关于戴尔斯的东西 还有镶框的卡片 we have things that reflect the Dales, we have cards that we've framed and..
和尼克家的瓷器 some of the china from Nick's family is displayed up here
我们从麦迪逊开到明尼阿波利斯 well we're driving from Madison to Minneapolis
克丽丝住明尼阿波利斯 我住麦迪逊 as Chris lives in Minneapolis and I live in Madison so..
每周轮流来回 we go up and down alternate weekends
离婚后再结婚 你们关系有压力吗？ does it put stress on the relationship, these separations and re-uniting?
我觉得单身让人会想爱别人 I would say absence makes the heart grow fonder really
克丽丝家离麦迪逊5个小时车程 Chris lives in Minneapolis, a five hour drive from Madison
她在教育系当副教授 where she's an associate professor in the department of education
给你看样东西 Hey, want to see something?
- 工作占了你们很多时间吧？ - 是的 - Work's a big part of both of your lives? - It is - Yes
我们都是工作狂 So we're both workaholics
他有什么是你想改变的吗？ Is there anything in him you would like to change?
那可太冒险了 Well that would be a really risky business wouldn't it
难道我没变吗？ I thought you had changed..if..no?
本性的东西我不会去掺和 Y'know, you don't mess with mother nature
例如小到挤牙膏的习惯 in terms of little things like how someone does their toothpaste
这些有的没的 those silly nonsense things
因为我一说他都会马上行动 he would not just say yes, he immediately attended to it
我没见过这样的 所以我叫他干嘛会比较谨慎 I'd never been with anyone who did so I have to be careful what I ask him to do
牛油别太多 Oh go easy on the butter please, alright
好 okay
我会因此反而更小心 I could see it being a slippery slope
我不想演变成好像我在使唤他 I didn't want to go that way in terms of my..
她不太喜欢发号施令 - ordering his life - She didn't want to make too many demands
我不想去改变他 I didn't want him to be a different person
如果能改变世界 我想把它变成钻石 If I could change the world, I'd change it into a diamond
我觉得这节目意义非凡 I think this film is extremely important
对我来讲如此 好像对其他人也是 it's important to me but it seems to be important to other people as well
但这不是容易的事 that doesn't make it an easy thing
参加这节目真的让人很痛苦 it's an incredibly hard thing to be in
我都没法跟你形容这有多折磨人 and I can't even begin to describe how emotionally draining and wrenching it is
在节目上接受采访 just to make the film and to do the interviews
而这还是我假装没人看的情况下 and that's even when I'm pretending that nobody else is watching it
我觉得这勾起了他的乡愁 I think it's a heavy reminder that he's missing his roots
这简直是一本生动的剪贴本 凝聚了太多的情感 there's an awful lot of emotions.. attached to having a scrap book that's as vivid as this
我要去沃尔沃斯超市上班 I'm going to work in Woolworths
林恩是东区第三个女孩 Lynn is the third of our Eastend girls
她和杰琦、苏上同一所小学 she went to primary school with Jackie and Sue
后来去上文法学校 but chose to go onto a grammar school
21岁时她在伦敦东区一流动图书室 at twenty-one, she set out on a career as children's librarian
当儿童书图书馆员 in a mobile library in East London
- 你的盖了章吗？ - 盖了 - Have I stamped yours? - Yes
我没盖你的 I've not stamped yours
睡美人 Sleeping Beauty
教导孩子欣赏图书 Teaching children the beauty of books
而我则欣赏孩子看书的脸 and watching their faces as books unfold for them
这很美妙 is just fantastic
和小孩相处你得非常爱他们 to work with children of that age you've got to love them
我很爱孩子 and I love children
因为教育经费缩减 流动图书室也关闭了 Because of cuts in the education budget the mobile library was shut down
42岁时林恩在巴斯那格林图书馆工作 at forty-two, Lynne was working at Bethnall Green library
你画得比我还好 you can draw, better than I can
49岁时她仍在这儿 At forty-nine, she's still there
早上好 你怎样了？ Good morning, well what about you?
早 来打招呼 good morning, are you going to say hello?
你会经常和这样的读者打交道吗？ How much of your work is with people like this?
大概5% 很少 Probably five percent, it's a very small part of it
但目前来讲也是最困难的 but probably, currently the most challenging part of it
- 大象？ - 这是大象 大象在哪？ - Elephant? - He's an elephant, where's the elephant?
还有其他6间学校会带学生来这 We still get six other schools regularly send classes in here
挺忙的 it's busy most days
我知道他喜欢她 他喜欢她 Well I know he loves her and he loves her
我不喜欢他 I don't I love him
我结婚有1年多了 I've been married a year and.. a couple of months
有时会想 天啊 我干嘛了 you do think "christ, what have I done?"
她19岁时嫁给了罗斯 When she was nineteen she married Russ
我们结婚早 因为想一起开心 We married young but because we wanted to go out and have fun together
30年了 我们还在一块 他是我的伴侣 thirty years and we're still together, he's my soul mate, he's my partner
我们互相尊重 we respect each other
他不会在这露脸 hence, he is not here and you will not see him on this film
因为他觉得我们的私人生活受到严重干扰 because he has always felt that the... intrusion into our private life that this causes is too much
我想要白色的婚礼 很多装饰 I wanted, white wedding, all trimmings
罗斯则想简简单单就好 Russ would've been satisfied with very little
你爱他吗？ Are you in love?
很爱 very, very much
他知道我有多爱他 我也知道他多爱我 he knows how much I love him and in my heart I know how much he loves me
有时都招人侧目了 I put him on the spot sometimes
可以的话 我想生两个男孩两个女孩 if I could I would have two girls and two boys
我也是 Yeah so would I
林恩和罗斯生了两个女儿 说萨拉和艾玛 Lynne and Russ have two daughters, Sara and Emma
艾玛是一公司的安装协调员 Emma's an installation co-ordinator for the company
萨拉是饰品采购员 Sara is an accessories buyer
是家族产业 it's a family run business
42岁时女孩们学业出色 At forty-two the girls were both doing very well at school
- 好了？ - 嗯 - Alright darling? - Yeah
- 两女孩都没上大学？ - 没 - Neither of the girls went to university? - No
- 你失望吗？ - 不会 她们自己选的 - Was that disappointing to you? - No, their choice
我们讨论过 是她们自己想要的 we discussed it, it's what they wanted to do
她们觉得不适合学术圈 they felt that the academic side wasn't for them
你只能接受 那是她们的生活 you have to accept that it's their lives
你只能引导她们 支持她们 and you can only guide and be there for them
- 乖孩子 - 你的饮料呢？ - Oh you big boy - Where's your drink
- 你有外孙了？ - 他很可爱 真的 - So you've got a grandson? - He's a lovely lad, he really is
我看他好像21年前看萨拉 I'm watching him in the same way from..
刚出生抱起来时的样子 twenty-one years ago when I held Sara up, when she was just born
现在我看艾玛 真是几番轮回啊 and now I'm watching Emma, and what goes around comes around
艾玛跟康纳讲的话就是我当年跟她说的 as Emma now says that she says things to Connor that she heard me saying to her
我有时发现自己像我妈 真吓了一跳 that still catches me out when I hear me say something that was purely my mum
康纳让你震惊吗？ So was the arrival of Connor a shock to you?
不！会吧..但 No! well yeah! but..
艾玛想生下来 as soon as Emma was expecting Connor
她打电话给我 说要见我一面 I got the phone call "mum I need to meet you"
然后当面告诉我 她有了 so she told me face to face that she was expecting, fine
她19岁 长大了 she was nineteen, she's old enough
35岁时林恩健康出了问题 when she was thirty-five, Lynne was having health problems
他们在我身上插满管子 they stuck all these tubes up inside me
发现血管出了问题 and discovered that I've got these veins
在这儿 不该有的 up here, that shouldn't be there
- 脑子里？ - 是 - In your brain? - Yes
- 有什么办法吗？ - 目前没有 - And what can they do about it? - Not a lot at the moment
没变化 No change
还没好 但也不再让人担心了 it's not going away but it's no more problems, nothing..
年纪大了总免不了病痛 you have the aches and pains of getting older
我两手都有双侧腕管综合症 I've got bi-lateral carpal tunnel syndrome in both my wrists
遗传自我妈 guess who had it? my mother!
时好时坏 我戴了磁力手环 还不错 but it comes and go hence the magnetic bracelets which help
这是需要克服的 but you have to overcome it
- 什么是白色的？ - 红的 - What's white? - Red
我知道那是红的 Yeah we know that's red
过往30年我为了孩子的福利到处碰壁 for the last thirty years I've been banging my head against a brick wall..
现在都没人听我讲 to maintain children's services but this time no ones listening
紫色讲过了 we've just done purple
他们说我的工作别人都能做 they say that the work that I do, that anybody can do it
- 蓝色 - 蓝色 - Blue - Blue
不需要专家来做 there would be no specialist running it
1个 one
我也许会没工作了 I may not have a job
- 何恩喜欢婷婷 - 何恩很喜欢婷婷 - Hern loves Tintin - Hern absolutely adores Tintin
为了缩减经费 It's cost cutting
- 是因为这原因？ - 是 - So that's what it's about? - Yes
他们不肯承认 they would deny that
你今天要和我讲话吗？ are you going to speak to me today?
不吗？ - No? - No?
跟我们说话吧 lets hear you!
- 和这样的人一起要耗费很大精力吧？ - 是的 - Is it emotionally very demanding working with people like this? - Yes
但也很有成就感 but it's so fulfilling
超出想象 that it... beyond belief
阿梓 你来说好吗 你行的 Azir, can you say it for me? I know you can
你会..不！ but are you...no!
今天不能这么做 you're not going to do it today
阿梓几年前给我打电话 Azir spoke to me on the phone a couple of years ago
那是他第一次跟我讲话 the first time he had ever spoken to me
让我很感动 and it really got me
对他来说要开口非常困难 it's extremely difficult for him to speak..
听他讲话你知道他付出多大努力 and when he does you know he's making so much effort
这让我很感动 and it gets me
太棒了 excellent
- 阿梓真棒 - 谢谢你阿梓 - Well done Azir - Thank you Azir
- 从当年的流动车至今经历太多了 - 昨天我还在车上 - Come a long way since the back of a van - I was on the back of a bus yesterday!
我们开车去附近一学校办图书周活动 we took a bus out to a school that was having a book week just around the corner
and..
我忘了原来晃得这么厉害 I had forgotten how much it sways
你的章呢？ where's your stamp?
- 你真的付出很多 - 是 但.. - It's been a hell of a commitment for you hasn't it? - Yeah but...
总有一天会结束 but it will end
- 你觉得值得吗？ - 非常值得 - Has it been worth it all? - Yes very much
快点 加紧了 Come on , speed it up
回想多年来经历的一切 all these things that I have said over the years are flying through my mind now
我觉得很值得 but yes, it has been worth it
你得停了 我要哭了 and you better cut it 'cause otherwise I'm going to cry
你觉得富人怎样？ What do you think about rich people?
不怎样 Well.. not much
跟我说说 Tell me about them
他觉得自己无所不能 你就不行 Well they think they can do everything without you doing it as well
西蒙在儿童之家长大 Simon was brought up in a children's home
是唯一的单亲孩子 the only child of a single parent
富人啥都有 Rich people have all different things
什么都有 而穷人则一无所有 they have everything they want whereas poor people don't have anything
穷人知道自己啥也没有 会有需要的东西 and they know they haven't got anything so they know they're missing something
你需要啥？ What are you missing?
也许一辆自行车 一根钓鱼竿 Well I'd probably say a bike and.. a fishing rod
20年我出生时 是个私生子 Twenty years ago when I was born an illegitimate child
当时人们不会公开讨论这种事 that's something that's only whispered about
觉得这是很大件事 people feel strongly about it in those days
但如今 but nowadays it's..
并不觉得这有多严重 it's not a serious matter
重要的是你是否和别人在一起 the serious point is whether you stay with someone or you leave them
21岁后我结了婚 有了几个小孩 since twenty-one I've got married, had a couple of kids
28岁时他和老婆伊凤有了5个孩子 By twenty-eight he had married Yvonne and they had five children
除了伊凤没有让我想娶的人 well I don't think there's anybody else I could've ever married except Yvonne
我的生活是她给的 she gives me my life really because
我们在一起 有了孩子 有了一切 we're together, we have the children and everything
35岁时他们离了婚 By thirty-five they were divorced
42岁时他娶了维纳塔 at forty-two he had married Vienetta
年轻时我们曾一起出去 我们在洗衣店碰头 we used to go out when we were younger, we met in the laundrette
- 每周一次 - 每周一次在洗衣店 - Once a week! - Once a week in the laundrette!
一度我们去做婚姻咨询 One stage we went to a marriage guidance 'cause the..
因为相处的压力 我们很不同 pressures of being together were getting to us as we are two very different people
我比较懒散 I'm very laid back
她总说 你再懒散下去连站都站不起来了 as she always says, if I go any further back I'll fall over!
两人各自生活了这么久 相处起来真的不容易 when two people are together after both having separate lives it is hard
像忘记把马桶坐垫放下来这些琐事 silly things like leaving the toilet seat up
还有收拾东西 而西蒙则非常散漫 or if I put something here I expect to see it here and Simon can be very untidy
把东西到处乱扔 he'll take everything of and fling it around the house
- 对不起了 - 我不想搞混 - Sorry dear - I don't want it all mixed up
他浪漫吗？ Is he romantic?
我们吵架他都不知道为啥 我冲他嚷 If we've had an argument and he doesn't know, as I will shout and he'll think..
他只会想 “我干嘛了？” "what have I done?"
然后我在这里 会看到一束花 and I'll be here, like now, and I'll see some flowers
一瓶酒之类 and a bottle of wine or something
然后他说“我不知哪里错了 但对不起” and he'll say "I don't know what I've done but I'm sorry"
维纳塔有个女儿 米莉安 Vienetta already had a daughter, Miriam
她和西蒙生了个儿子 丹尼尔 and she and Simon have a son, Daniel
他有遗传你哪些？ Is there anything of you in him?
他长得帅 这点像我 还有喜欢运动 his dashing good looks, that's me! and his love of sport as well
他去斯洛尔读文法学校 he goes to school in Slough as that's where they do grammar schools
学习很不错 he's doing very well there
他们问你爸呢？ They say "Where's your father then?"
妈出去上班时他们问我爸在哪 y'know when your mums out at work "Where's your father?"
我只告诉他们我没爸 and I just tell them I ain't got one
他们现在啥都有 they've got everything then
我没有的他们都有 they've even got what I never had
- 你是指？ - 父亲 不是吗？ - Which is what? - A father isn't it!
啥都有了 so they've had everything
有一度他们都不来看我 at one stage they all stopped seeing me at all
但现在长大了 懂事了 but now, a bit older, a bit wiser..
我也老了 也懂事了 有三个会来看我 and I'm a bit older and wiser and now three of them see me
杰西卡很忙 她既工作又读书 Jessica has been very busy, she's got her work and college
- 你支持谁？ - 曼联 - 其次才是彩票？ - Who do you support? - Man united - So your lot came second?
乔纳森目前在换工作 Jonathon's been in a transitional period with changing jobs and ..
为新生活打拼 building up his new life
那两个不来看我的 我不懂他们 the two that don't see me, I can't really see their point of view
当祖父的感觉如何？ So what's it like being a grandfather?
挺轻松的 每天看着他们 然后他们就回家 It's bloody easy actually! you can see them all day long and then they go back
- 你有一个孙子？ - 两个 - and you've got one? - Two actually
一个我在看 one that I see
一个得去探 and one that I would only see if I kept going round to see him
他不过来 我还指望他能来探我的 otherwise I wouldn't see him so I'm waiting for a return visit now
我还没到工作的年龄 before I'm old enough to get a job
我想周围走走看看 I'll just walk around and see what I can find
我本想当影星 I was going to be a film star, but
但现在想当电工程师 这比较实际 now I'm going to be an electrical engineer which is more to reality really
21岁时西蒙在伦敦沃尔斯香肠公司的冰库工作 By twenty-one Simon was working in the freezer room of Walls sausages in London
我不会在沃尔斯呆一辈子 这里不适合我 I know I can't stay at Walls forever, it's just not me
在那呆太久会让我脑子坏掉 I couldn't stay there for that long, my mind would go dead
我现在挺喜欢呆这儿 I'm quite happy to stay there
这里一时半会还不会倒闭 it doesn't look like it's going to close down, so I mean..
总好过未知的噩梦吧 better the devil you know isn't it
沃尔斯终于把这家厂关了 Walls did close the factory down
此后他在希斯罗机场当搬运工 since then he has worked near Heathrow airport handling freight
我到那上班唯一原因是离我儿子学校近 the only reason I went there was to work near to where my son went to school
方便接送 so I could take him there
你有没觉得工作能有更好发展？ Do you feel you could've done more with a career with your work?
我要是在学校更用功 可能会好很多 If I'd pushed myself at school probably I could've done a lot better
你有想过这个？ Does that give you pause for thought?
这只能说我小时候太懒 No that means I was a lazy sod when I was younger
人们说活着不为工作 工作为了活着 somebody said "you don't live to work, you work to live"
就是这样 and that's how it should be
几年前西蒙和维纳塔决定参加领养培训 A couple of years ago Simon and Vienetta decided to train as foster parents
我儿时去寄宿学校 觉得那里都是机构在管 I went to boarding school when I was young and I felt that was regimental
他们不给个人带孩子 they didn't allow for personal cares, for loving from the adult carers
因此我想在自己家做这事 so I wanted to do something like that in my own home
我们总跟养父母说 and we always say to foster carers
没有父母同意不可剪孩子的头发 "please do not cut the children's hair without the permission of the parents"
当养父母最艰难是哪点？ What's the toughest thing about being a foster parent?
你的付出不一定有回报 You're taking a chance when you do it as you really don't know what you're getting
有个孩子手里拿了两把小刀 她不肯呆在这里 one child had two knives in her hand as she didn't want to stay in this country
- 两把小刀！ - 她威胁你吗？ - Two knives in her hand! - Did she threaten you?
没 她想自残 No she was just a threat to herself
有些会回来 打电话问候我们 some of them come back, they phone you up and say "hello auntie and uncle"
周末和我们吃饭 这很好 they come and have Sunday dinner and visit us which is good
至少你知道这孩子的生活因此有些改变 at least you know you made a little difference to that child's life
我们区里有希斯罗机场 we have Heathrow in our area
所以养父母们得留意这点 and that gives us extra things foster carers might need to do
到你家的孩子来自哪里？ So where are these children coming from that come to your house?
来自全世界 All over the world
- 哪都有 - 哪都有 - Anywhere - Anywhere
他们下飞机时想着有人接 when they come off the plane they expect to meet somebody
但那人没有来 but that person doesn't turn up
西蒙和保罗同在儿童之家 Simon had been at the children's home with Paul
因此我们把保罗从澳洲接过来和他会面 so we brought Paul back from Australia to re-unite them
- 旅途顺利吗？ - 很好 - was it good though? - yeah yeah
从这儿能看到温莎堡 and you can see Windsor Castle from there
哦 看那里 oh wow, look at that
我们可能彼此甚少联系 但生活却息息相关 we don't actually see or touch each other but we're living each others lives
每7年我们重温一遍 every seven years it all comes back
再交流一下近况 彼此做了哪些事 and we get up to this far and we've done this and you've done that
他们21岁时 When they were twenty-one
我们带他们回到当初的地方 we took them back to where they spent some of their formative years together
- 没错 - 他真是个混蛋 - Yeah - He was a real bastard
我是想遵守纪律 I do try to be disciplined but..
但我很讨厌纪律 I actually hate discipline
都是学校教的 I believe the school has taught me that
学校里总免不了有学生打闹 There's always been a bit of turmoil inside
我知道这是免不了的 I believe that ...............
我和妈妈有时处得挺好 I can get on well with my mother sometimes
交谈甚欢 we talk very well with each other
但有时不太像母子 but it's.. sometimes not quite as mother and son
35岁时西蒙的妈妈死于癌症 When he was thirty-five, Simon's mother died of cancer
我还有好多话没跟我妈讲 there was so many things I never actually said to my mum
总想着来日方长 但现在都来不及了 just things you think about afterwards, it's too late because they're not there any more
什么样的话？ What sort of things?
诸如每天我都爱你 Just, I love you every day, and..
后来我知道她很难受 Later on in life I did realise she got depressed as well so..
也许因为这个她没法照看我 that was probably a bigger reason than not being able to look after me
21岁时我妈给我写过信 我从没见过她 My mum wrote to me when I was twenty-one and I never had any contact with her
21岁时她来看我 When I was twenty-one she came out an visited
我长那么大没见过他 所以就跟陌生人一样 I did grow up without her so it was like looking at a total stranger
我都没有认出她 I didn't recognise her at all
也没什么真正的感情 so there was no real indepth feeling there
来 一起吧 Come on get in there next to him as well
大家站好了 come on, let me get you organised
这两人相像吗？ Are these two guys very alike?
我觉得像 Well I think they are as..
他们不会冒然冲动 凡事先看看 they don't rush into things, they stand back and have a look at it
快乐的事你得推着他们去做 you make them enjoy their self's, like..
昨天我们去散步 when we went for a walk yesterday I said..
我说你要来 你会开心的 他也的确如此 "You ARE coming and you ARE having a good time" and he did have a good time so..
他们都很以家庭为重 they're both very family orientated
- 娶的都是爱唠叨的人 - 真的 - and they've both married noisy women! - That's true!
我受教不少 that works for me
我梦见整个世界在我头顶 I had a dream when all the world was on top of me..
所有东西都在上面 我刚出来 and everything was on me, and I just about got out
所有东西都飞起来 and everything flew up in the air..
我仍会抬头看 没有更好的办法 I still look up in the sky as I don't know any better
我拥有的一切 我总觉得 everything I have, I always think..
这好吗 我该要吗 "Is that OK? is it right that I should have that?"
人们对你都没个准 people are undecided about you
今天跟你很要好 明天就翻脸 they can be friend one day and not the next
我想当拳击手 演员 I wanted to be a boxer, actor...but..
但也只是想想而已 but I never actually really wanted them
我只想有人喜欢我 I just wanted to be liked
保罗也是这样 That's all Paul wants out of people
想要人们喜欢他本来的样子 people to like him for who he is and what he is
不需要他去假装 without having to put on any false pretences
我想他因此才不愿对人们敞开心胸 so I think that's why he doesn't open himself up to people
- 你有什么遗憾吗？ - 有的 - Do you have any regrets? - Yes I do..
我们要是早点认识就好了 that we didn't get together earlier
- 我喜欢这婚姻 - 她带给你什么？ - I think marriage is good for me - What does she give you?
热热的晚饭 温暖的床 Hot dinners and a warm bed!
我不知道 I don't know!
她让我的生活有了平衡 she gives me a balance in my life because..
我要是一个人 会变成典型的懒汉 on my own I would probably be your typical slob
男人真的很糟 men behaving badly
我们做了不少事 都一起做 we do get things done and we do things together
乘以4 再除以.. ..multiply by four and divide..
参加这节目让你难受吗？ Is it tough for the two of you being in these films?
我喜欢看别人 I will say that I do love watching everybody else
但我又讨厌他们 结果也很讨厌你 but I always hate them and by the end I hate you lot too!
把我的怒火引到某处 direct all of my anger in one place y'know!
我看金融时报 I read the Financial Times
我看观察家和泰晤士报 I read the Observer and the Times
你喜欢什么？ What do you like about it?
我喜欢.. Well I like..
我会看标题 然后再看内容 I usually look at the headlines then read about it
7岁时约翰、安德鲁和查尔斯 At seven years old, John, Andrew and Charles..
在伦敦一私立预备学校上学 were in a private preparatory school in London
这节目有何意义？ What's the point of the program?
这节目在做比较 it's the point of the program is to reach a comparison
而我不同意 and I don't think it is
因为我们不是典型 - Good point - Because we're not typical examples
而人们看了这节目会这么想 and I think that's what people seeing the program might think
以偏概全 falsely
这节目就有这么个问题 That's one of the troubles with this sort of program
我不觉得人们会喜欢我们 I don't really think that people like us
不过几个7岁的小屁孩 口无遮拦 Unless we're seven and being rather funny, have very much to say that's..
这很搞笑 very interesting, because I mean..
我们什么也不懂 we don't know very much
我们7岁时真的啥也不懂 Well we didn't know very much when we were seven
- 还是挺搞笑的 - 至少很搞笑 - But we were still quite funny - We were at least funny!
你这个年纪怎样看女朋友？ What do you think about girlfriends at your age?
我有一个 但没怎么在意 I've got one but I don't think much of her
她们不再让人厌烦 They're no longer just bores
说些我们不想玩这个之类的话 "We won't play this" or something
她们是社会的另一半 你总得面对 they're the other half of the community and they're there
你可以和她们聊天 and you can begin to talk to them
我们家庭背景不一样 I don't think I financially come from the same background
安德鲁没去追大家闺秀 找了个约克夏女孩 Andrew didn't go for a classy debutante, he went for a good Yorkshire lass
他很清楚自己要什么 but obviously he knew what he wanted
你会担心钱的事吗？ Does money concern you a lot?
只要过得舒服就好 No I think as long as one has enough to be comfortable
赚钱目标就为这 that's really what one should aim for
维持婚姻最困难是哪点？ What's the most difficult thing about keeping the marriage together?
我不觉得困难 I don't think it is particularly difficult actually
我们还算处得不错 we seem to manage alright
- 你觉得呢？ - 是的 我们会交流 - Would you say? - I think so, we talk don't we
婚后生活如何？ So how is married life?
还爱着他 Well I still Love him if that's what you're asking
他也是 and likewise
我要去切特豪斯学校 I'm going to Charterhouse
之后去剑桥三一学堂 and after that, Trinity Hall Cambridge
安德鲁去了切特豪斯学校 在剑桥读法律 Andrew went to Charterhouse and Cambridge, where he read law
我想当律师 I'd like to be a solicitor
事业有成 and also fairly successful
28岁时安德鲁成了律师 at twenty-eight Andrew was a solicitor
你觉得成功的要素是什么？ What qualities do you think it needs to be successful?
你得有相应的专业技能 Well you have to have a legal ability in my business, obviously
35岁时他成了公司合伙人 by thirty-five he had become a partner
几周后我在都柏林有一场法律论坛 In a couple of weeks we're having a legal conference in Dublin
49岁时安德鲁离开了律师事务所 At forty-nine, Andrew has left the law firm
我跳到一家工业用气公司 I've moved to a large industrial gas's company which makes..
生产氧气、氮气和氢气之类 oxygen and nitrogen, hyrdrogen, things like that
你把握好了时机? Were you taking a chance?
是 我在一家公司呆了20几年 Ye's, I've been at the same firm for over twenty years
没什么挑战 but it's not very challenging
这个比较有挑战 and changing like this
尤其在现在这年纪 压力不小 particularly quite late in your career, stretches you
我觉得学校收费是好事 I think it's not a bad idea to pay for schools
否则的话 because if we didn't
学校会变得很拥挤混乱 schools would be so nasty and crowded
我也同意 Yes, so do I think so
学校就没法..穷人涌进来 and the people in the schools wouldn't.. and the poor people would come rushing in
管学校的会很生气 and the man in charge of the school would get very angry
他会破产 and he would get bankrupt
他没钱就没法付老师工资 he wouldn't be able to pay all the teachers if he didn't get any money
教育非常重要 education is very important
你没法留给孩子实质性的东西 and you can never be sure of leaving your children any wordly goods, but
但能肯定的是 好的教育 at least you can be sure that once you've given them a good education
能让他们终身受用 that's something that no one can take away
安德鲁和简有两个儿子 亚历山大和提摩太 Andrew and Jane have two sons, Alexander and Timothy
亚历山大在纽卡斯尔读大学一年级 Alexander's at univeristy in his first year at Newcastle
提摩太在寄宿学校 and Timothy's at boarding school
他喜欢上大学 但没想长远 I think he'd like to go to university but that's as far as he's thought
暑假我们会商量另一些大学 over the summer holidays we might talk about other universities
安德鲁和简住在伦敦 但在乡下有一套房子 Andrew and Jane live in London but they have a second home in the country
结婚时买的 Well we bought it just when we got married
在拍卖会上买的 是一间200年历史的农屋 it was a two-hundred year old barn we bought in an auction
完全荒废了 除了牛粪一无所有 completely derelict, nothing in it at all except for manure
几年来我们不断修葺 and slowly over the years we've just been converting it
最近花了我们很大功夫 but it's really taken us up until recently to do that
荷丽 过来 Holly come on
我们的地边上有条铁路 there's a railway line that runs along the bottom of our land
那里有狐狸 最近看到几只幼仔 there's foxes down there, we've been seeing a few cubs recently
亚历山大有什么爱好？ What sort of hobbies does Alexander enjoy?
他有个爱好很怪 喜欢玩危险运动 Well on the odd occassion he's quite keen on doing what we call.. dangerous sports
我们打算带他去坐热气球 and we're going to treat him to a balloon ride
提前庆祝他的生日 in advance of his birthday which is coming up soon
- 出发 - 回见 - Here we go - See you later
我坐过一次热气球 为庆祝我爸生日 I have been in a balloon once myself, it was for my fathers birthday
开始都很顺利 后来我们撞到树上 it was all going well until the end when we managed to hit some trees
得了 Oh don't tell me that now
篮子都倒了 and the basket landed on its side
好高啊 It's very high, very high
我们着陆时 会让女孩站在下风头 When we landed there was a request that...
于是着陆时篮子朝她们倾斜 我们就压到她们身上 that all the ladies go down wind so that we could land on top of them
我得跟格雷维尔谈一下 他是我班上的 Once I had a talk to Grevil, he was in my class
我问老师能不能调他去别的班 他老拖后腿 and I asked Sir if he could put him out of my class as he was always getting minuses
你觉得孩子们的生活比你那时候更艰难吗？ Do you think life is tougher for your children than it was for you?
是的 现在的孩子竞争太激烈了 Yes certainly, I think it's much more competetive for children
毕业后我会去圣彼得的布罗德斯泰斯 When I leave the school, I go to Broadstairs, St. Peter's Court
回顾7岁时 我说要做什么什么 when you look back at us at age seven and I was saying what I was going to do
好像我的人生早已规划好 it's as if my life was mapped out for me
现在的孩子可说不出自己要去剑桥 you could never get a child saying that now "I'm going to go to Cambridge"
不确定因素太多了 things have become less certain as a result
- 你们三人选择非常多 - 是的 没错 - and you three had huge opportunities - we did, absolutely yes
我觉得寄宿让人更独立 Well I think boarding makes you feel self-sufficient
让你不再依赖父母 and also it teaches you to be away from your parents
你的评判能力和价值观受谁影响最多？ who was the big influence in giving you a sense of proprotion and value?
当然是父母了 Well obviously it's your parents
头18年里都是由他们照顾 they bring you up for your first eighteen years of life
我在6点洗澡 Well I have my bath at six o'clock..
回顾以往有想要哪些不同吗？ Do you ever look back and wish anything differently?
也许孩子现在大了 我想多些时间跟他们一起 perhaps as the children were growing up I'd liked to have spent more time..
而不是总呆在办公室 at home with them , rather than in the office
但现在太迟了 but obviously that's too late to do now
我们说的话 他们会认为 So everything we say, they'll think
私立学校出来的都这样 "well that's a typical result of the public school system"
7岁到21岁时我们想到啥就说啥 when we were seven, fourteen and twenty-one we were prepared to say what we thought
但现在会有所防备了 but we've become more guarded over the years
你在防备什么？ What are you guarded about?
为了防备而防备吧 I'm guarded about being guarded!
出发了 Here we go
- 着陆时你压到女士身上了？ - 我是给压的那个 - So did you have to fall on the ladies? - No the lady fell on me
但压我的是我老婆 挺好 but it was my wife so that was good
我毕业后 When I leave school
应该会去龙小学 I'm going to The Dragon School, I might
然后去马尔堡的切特豪斯学校 and after I might go to Charterhouse Marlborough
我不需要大富大贵 但有些钱还是好的 I don't particularly want to be rich but I'd like to have enough money
查尔斯去了马尔堡 之后上了达勒姆大学 Charles went to Marlborough and then onto Durham university
从21岁起他便不再参与这节目 since twenty-one he's taken no further part in these films
我毕业后会去克里特学校 when I leave this school I'm going to Collet Court
然后希望能考上西敏斯特寄宿学校 and then I would be going to Westminster Boarding School if I pass the exam
然后去剑桥和三一学堂 and then we think I'm going to Cambridge and Trinity Hall
约翰去了西敏斯特 在牛津读法律 John went to Westminster and read Law at Christchurch Oxford
我想从事法律行业 I'm thinking of following a legal career..
最终进入国会 with a view to ending in parliament
也许是法庭 Might be in the courts
做什么？ Doing what?
司法方面的吧 Perhaps Chancery practise
我现在是法庭律师 I now have a career, I'm a Barrister
此外生活还出现了不少变化 other than that life chugs along in varying degrees
过往14年里我的职业没什么变化 well in a sense nothing's has changed in my job in the last fourteen years
我还是法庭律师 戴白发套 I'm still a barrister, I still wear a curly white wig
唯一不同的是我改穿丝袍 我现在是王室律师 the only visible difference is I wear a silk gown as I'm now a Q.C.
- 你志向远大吗？ - 有的 - Are you ambitious? - Yes
- 为了什么？ - 出名 - What for? - Fame
和权力 and power
- 怎样的权力？ - 政治权力 - what sort of power? - political power
我还挺喜欢从政 但说着容易做起来难 I'd quite like to go into politics but that's easier said than done
我想过争取入候选人名单 I have thought about trying to get myself on the candidates list
但谁知道呢 我没想过有政客的料 but who knows, I haven't written myself off as a potential politician..
即便已49岁了 even though I'm already forty-nine
我担心我们的民主和政府 I worry about the quality of our democracy, I worry about this government
不是说社会主义会把我们抓起来送上死囚车 not because they're socialists and will round us all up and take us off
押到特拉法格广场上断头台 根本不是 Trafalgar square to face the guillotine, far from it..
托尼·布莱尔是不错的保守党人 Tony Blair is a very good conservative as I see it
而是因为他们无形中破坏了我们的政体 but rather because of the insidious damage they are doing to our constitution
富人小孩总是取笑穷人小孩 The rich children always make fun of poor children
这很不负责任 人们总想尽量挣更多的钱 it's very irresponsible as we all want more money as much money as we can get
我不太看重是否赚大钱 The acquisition of lots and lots of money is not something I set much importance by
我不是满脑金钱的人 I'm not money minded in that sense
有些钱当然不错 Obviously it's nice to have a fair amount of money
可以让你过个好假期 买些好东西 and it does enable you to go on nice holidays, buy nice things, but..
但以此为目标就算了 死了也带不走 as a goal in itself? no, who want's to be the richest corpse in the graveyard?
35岁时约翰在伦敦和乡下各有一套房子 By the time he was thirty-five, John had a house in London and one in the country
我花好多时间埋头园艺 I seem to spend a lot of time gardening furiously
想修整这里原来杂芜的样子 trying to tame the wilderness that we inherited there
要是十年前你让我一天到晚伺弄花草 我会当你说笑呢 I'd have laughed if ten years ago you'd have told me that I'd spend most of my time digging herbacious borders and things
但现在我很喜欢干这个 but that's what I seem to do and I enjoy it
在乡下有栋大房子 有个好处 one good thing about having a large house in the country now is that
我又开始弹钢琴了 I've taken up playing the piano
这是很轻盈的调子 秋水不染尘的样子 Its a very nonchalant little theme, butter wouldn't melt in its mouth
放轻柔些 让它自然流露 Take it very quietly and let it just present itself
几年前我有重新开始练习 A couple of years ago I did start again and even practising, but I'm afraid..
但技巧退化了好多 I've lost an awful l ot of dexterity
许是年纪大了有关节炎 还是堕马太多次 whether it's old age and arthritis or it's falling off horses too many times
我的手指没有以前灵活了 I don't know but I don't feel I've got quite the dexterity in my fingers
我在门外时 都分不清是你在弹 还是在播CD Certainly I can never tell the difference between you playing and the CD playing
- 他弹得很棒 - 她就是嘴甜 - When I'm out of the room, he's very good - She's very diplomatic
是真的 No no it's true
男孩和女孩在一起时总是粗心大意 When boys go around with girls they don't pay attention to what they're doing
我奶奶就出了交通事故 for instance my grandmother had an accident, because
因为有个男孩当街亲他女朋友 a boyfriend was kissing his girlfriend in the street
35岁时约翰娶了克莱尔 By thirty-five John had married Claire
保加利亚前大使的女儿 the daughter of a former ambassador to Bulgaria
我们相遇是偶然 It is coincidental that we met but..
但对巴尔干半岛的情感是相同的 it's obvious that the Balkan connection was a strong mutual interest
我们1991年和保加利亚朋友组了基金会 We have a charity, Friends of Bulgaria which started in 1991
筹了很多款 投到保加利亚 which made quite a lot of money we then invested and took out to Bulgaria
我们赞助斯塔拉·扎古拉的儿童之家 we support some children's homes in Stara Zagora
收容特殊儿童的机构 an institution for disabled children
我们捐款给其他慈善机构 and we make donations to other charities
那些谴责政府公共医疗不力的人 people who talk about the government butchering the National Health Service
该到保加利亚来看看 I think should come over to Bulgaria
什么叫做物资缺乏 什么叫救济 to see what being kept short of necessary supplies and funds really does mean
我们听说有些地方都无法做手术 we've been told in some places it's impossible to do operations
尽管手术室和医生都不缺 albeit they have the operating theatres and excellent doctors
可是没有麻醉剂 for want of simple anaesthetics
此前没有针对特殊儿童的教育机构 Up until then there had been no provision for education of disabled children
因此我们组建了“平行教育” so we started what was called a Parralleca
这是针对特殊儿童的平行教育 which is parrallel education for the disabled
现在有两个班 and we've now got two classes here
克莱尔和我会奖励镇上最聪明的孩子 Claire and I have been giving prizes to the most talented children in town
这学校是我家族在19世纪末建的 this school that we're in was built by my family at the end of the 19th century
至1944年社会主义化前 and they also used to present prizes..
会给颁奖给年度最佳学生 to the best children each year right until the advent of communism in 1944
我的家族历史很悠久 I come from a very old family
保持着服务国家的传统 with big traditions of service to this country
我来这里时为自己的祖先而自豪 and when I come here I feel very proud of them
他们为保加利亚贡献良多 as I feel in so many ways they've helped build Bulgaria
这教堂很有意思 this church is quite interesting
是我曾曾曾祖父在1835年建的 it was built by my great great great grandfather in 1835
听说用了8吨黄金 they say he made off with eight tons of gold
现在山上仍有寻宝的人 and even today the mountains are full of treasure hunters
到处挖地希望找到宝物 who keep digging up all the caves in hope of finding the treasure
我希望我能找到 I wish I could find it
等我拿到足够的退休金后 once I'd refinded my equitable life pension fund
如果我干掉马 干掉老婆 I reckon.. shoot the horses, shoot the wife and..
只喝保加利亚红酒 可能可以工作到94岁 and only drink Bulgarian wine I may be able to retire aged 94 or something
斯多·麦肯纳斯一天尽捣乱 真是老鼠屎 Straw McAnessy got three minuses in a day, he's a pest
我非常痛恨当时的校长 it has to be said that I bitterly regret that the headmaster of the school
在我7岁时把我推来参加这节目 where I was when I was seven, pushed me forward for this series
每7年都得遭一次罪 because every seven years a little pill of poison is injected into..
别这么说 Oh no!
是真的 Well that's just the truth
有时我觉得来这儿露脸 there are times when I've felt appearing on this..
能让我获得一些知名度 may get causes near to my heart a bit of publicity
你们来保加利亚做35岁篇 and certainly, when you came to Bulgaria for the 35up program
让我们获得了很多帮助 that did lead to us getting quite significant assistance
若非这节目不会有 which possibly we wouldn't have got
我觉得这体系挺好的 well I think it's a very good system
我在想这节目为何吸引这么多观众 I suspect that why this program is compelling and interesting for viewers
我挺清楚为什么 and I quite see why it is because really...
就像在看真人秀 it's like Big Brother or I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here
电视上的真实人生 it is actually real life TV
让你得以看见这些人变老掉发 长胖 with the added bonus that you can see people grow old, lose their hair, get fat
很有意思 但有什么意义呢？这是另一层面 fascinating I'm sure, but does it have any value? that's a different question
我们假装拿着剑 Well we pretend we've got swords
模仿击剑的声音 and we make the noises of the swords fighting
给刺到时就“啊..” and when somebody stabs us we go "ARRGHHH!!"
尼尔在利物浦城郊长大 Neil grew up in a Liverpool suburb
梦想能进牛津 但没去成 he had dreams of going to Oxford but didn't get in
结果去了阿伯丁大学 instead he went to Aberdeen university
一学期后他辍学 but dropped out after the first term
21岁时在工地干活 at twenty-one he was working on a building site
住在救济房里 and living in a squat
我也想能身居要职 常常想 I would like to be somebody in a position of importance and I've always thought this
但我应该没那能耐去担当重任 but I don't think I'm the right sort of person to carry the responsibility
我常想也许我能.. for whatever it is, I always thought well I'd love to be..
甚至从政什么的 possibly even love to be in politics or something like this
28岁时他无家可归 by twenty-eight he was homeless
在苏格兰西岸游荡 wandering around the West coast of Scotland
没钱的时候哪也去不了 if the money runs out then for a few days there's nowhere to go to
只能找一处避寒的地方呆着 and that's all you can do, I simply have to find the warmest shed I can find
这里的人待你如何？ How do people regard you here?
还是当我是个怪胎 Well I'm still known as an eccentric
我不会说自己在涅槃 I'm not claiming that I feel as though I'm in some sort of Nirvana, but
但要是蜗居在市郊我会很惨 I'm claiming that if I was living in a bed-sit in suburbia I'd be so miserable
不如死了算 I'd feel like cutting my throat
35岁时他在英国最北端的设得兰岛 At thirty-five we found him living on a council estate
住在政府救济房中 in the most Northernly part of Britain, the Shetland Islands
这环境拯救了我 让我存活下来 it's an environment which sustains me, it's one in which I can survive
让我不安的是 and the reason I don't feel safe is because
我越来越适应这种生活方式 I think I'm getting more and more used to this lifestyle
而这是我应该摒弃的 which eventually I shall have to give up
接下来7年你会做什么？ and what would you like to be doing say in seven years?
我想法很多 但关键是 I can think of all kinds of things I'd like to be doing the real question is
我可能会做什么？ what am I likely to be doing?
你可能会做什么？ What are you likely to be doing?
这问题太难答了 That's a horrible question
我很可能在伦敦街头游荡 无家可归 I think most likely I'll be wandering homeless around the streets of London
但凭着一点运气希望这不会发生 but with a bit of luck that won't happen
让我举出这些不利的地方 I'll just point out some of the considerable disadvantages
首先便是地理上的隔离 first of all they are geographically isolated
42岁时尼尔搬到伦敦 成为哈克尼议会的自由民主党 by 42, Neil had moved to London and was a liberal democrat on Hackney council
我在设得兰时很想从政 While I was in Shetland I felt strongly that I should become involved in politics
只是因为过去一切不是我想要的 simply because I felt I wasn't acheiving things in the way I wanted to
我没料到你会开车 尼尔 I didn't expect to see you driving Neil
我也没想到 你要几年前问我 Well neither did I, if you'd asked me that question..
我会吓一跳 a few years ago I'd have been surprised
这是我弟媳的车 but it was my brother's wife's car
刚好她想换车 and fortunately she was about to change vehicles at the time
就给了我 真的很照顾我 and they let me have it without charge which was a very magnimious gesture
49岁时尼尔离开伦敦 At 49 Neil has left London
搬到英国西北的坎布里亚 moved to Cumbria in the North West of England
成为该区议会成员 and become a member of the local district council
主席 很简单 这是委员会多数人决定的 chairman, fairly simple, it was a committee decision, a majority decision
在委员会获得通过 his own group on the establishment committee agreed with the decision
休斯议员 Councillor Hughes
我要告诉尼亚议员一声 For Councillor Nyam's information
库克议员对你提出的议题有新看法 Councillor Cook has reconsidered his opinion you ventured at that meeting
我是自由民主党 为郡议会争取席位 I'm a liberal democrat, I'm standing for the county council
这里方圆有400英里 for this seat which is 400 square miles in size
选民非常多 so it's a huge constituency
- 共84个席位 - 目前谁占多数？ - and this is one of the 84 seats - and who has this seat at the moment?
目前是保守党 it's a conservative councillor at the moment
- 占很多吗？ - 压倒性的 - a big majority? - significant
我有很多要做 不是这一轮就是下一轮 there's a lot of work for me to do and if not this time maybe next time
你机会如何？ what are the chances this time?
我正努力争取 I'm doing my best
好笑的是 刚来时 funnily enough, when I first came up here
我已经打算放弃了 I was considering giving it up altogether
但两天后我又投入拉票活动 but after only two days I just got involved again
也许政治就是让人无法放弃 maybe it's impossible to give up politics
我敬重自由民主党 但不会投它票 I have a lot of respect for the liberal dem's but don't think I'll vote for them
因为我要投给麦克林先生 because I'll vote for Mr McClean
他会保护乡村狩猎的生活方式 and he's keen on preserving our way of country life with hunting in particular
口蹄疫的问题对我们很不利 it's already disadvantaged us since the problems with foot and mouth
当然更多人来投票 well certainly more people vote
许是他们比城里人有更直观的感受 perhaps they see the impact more starkly on their lives than those in London
在伦敦很多地方人们都漠不关心 I found in many parts of London there was a huge apathy because..
可能他们都认为 because it seemed like they used to say
不管选谁 最后都是政府说了算 "it doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in"
7年前我见你时你在伦敦挺开心的 So when I saw you 7 years ago you seemed content and happy in London
为啥不再呆下去了？ so why the change?
我觉得既不能让社区满意 又无法让自己满意 I neither felt that I was satisfying..the community around me, nor did I feel I was satisfying myself
显然这不是理想的状况 and that was obviously not an ideal situation
42岁时尼尔从设得兰岛首次到伦敦 at 42 when Neil first arrived in London from the Shetland Islands
和布鲁斯住一起 he lodged with Bruce
他真的很好客 he was a model host
只是他老喜欢量洗澡水 although he did always insist on measuring the amount of bathwater there was in the bath!
我不太懂为什么 and I'm not quite sure why that was
他会觉得冰箱很吵 于是关了它 he'd find the fridge a bit noisy so he'd turn it off!
有时他会围着街区转 I had occassions where he'd walk round the block or..
我不是个好房客 No I accept that I wasn't the model lodger in every way
因为这样更显你的耐心 however that only emphasises how patient you actually were
我和布鲁斯没怎么联系 写过一两封信而已 I've had little contact with Bruce, we've exchanged one or two letters
但我们成了朋友 but maybe ours was a friendship which had flourished
在伦敦这样的环境 这份友谊很纯真 it was a genuine friendship in the circumstances.. in which we found ourselves in London
生活中会这样 I think that's what happens in life, you..
有些要好的人 因为环境分开 people you are close to and then circumstances drift you apart
然后又遇到不同的人 and you find other peopleand ..
有时你会想那些人怎样了 希望他们过得好 you wonder sometimes what's happening to them and hope they're alright..
但生活就这样 but that's what happens in life
冬天你到乡下 in the winter if you live in the country
到处都湿漉漉 几英里地啥都没有 it would just all be wet and there wouldn't be anything for miles around
我自己一个人的时候 I feel, especially sometimes when I'm on my own
有时会觉得好像失去和人的联系 that I'm losing touch with the way other people live
你担心自己的神智吗？ Do you worry about your sanity?
别人倒是挺担心的 Other people sometimes worry about it
比如谁？ Like who?
我有时会行为很怪异 As I said I sometimes can start behaving in an erratic fashion
有时会很沮丧生气 sometimes I get very frustrated, very angry
别人都不知道什么原因 for no apparent reason, for a reason that won't be apparent to people around me
你有想过自己会疯吗？ Do you ever think you're going mad?
我不是想过 我知道会 Oh I don't think it, I know it
因为..我们不该用疯这个字 well 'cause.. we're not allowed to use the word mad but you know..
我觉得这里大多数人都疯的 I think most people are mad here, really
你的健康如何？ How's your health?
目前挺好的 住在乡下 It's probably very good at the moment and living in this rural setting..
比在城里要好多了 is obviously healthier than living in a city
压力没那么大 there is less stress
我找了间议会宿舍 I ended up with a former council flat
布置简朴 但我很好彩得到它 which is nothing luxurious but I was lucky to get it
从窗口可看到风景 and as soon as I could see the view out of my window
有山有水有树 across the stream and trees and the hills in the background
我就知道我选对了 I knew I was in the right place
很多人说在乡下感觉更接近上帝 I know that many people say they feel closer to god in the countryside
我不想笼统概括 但如果接近自然生活 I wouldn't want to be simplistic about it but because.. one is much closer to natural life
会接近生命之源 one is therefore much closer to the springs of life
- 我想我信上帝 - 你是教徒吗？ - Yes I'd say I believed in god - Are you religious?
周日我会和父母去教堂 Well I go to church with my parents on Sundays
我都不知道我信不信上帝 well I don't know now even if I believe in god or not
我认真考虑过 I've thought an awful lot about it actually
可还是不知道 and I still don't know
你觉得他待你如何？ And how's he been treating you?
上周我跟人说 Well I said to somebody last week
我喜欢旧约多过新约 that I preferred the old testament to the new testament
因为旧约里上帝很不可预测 because in the old testament, god is very unpredictable
他对我的人生也是如此 and that's how I've seen him in my life
#我的上帝# #my jesus#
#我的拯救者# #my saviour#
#无人可比# #lord there is none like you#
#求您庇佑 赐予力量# #tower of refuge and strength#
今次怀念吉姆和安 remembering Jim and Ann
布鲁斯和茱莉亚 Bruce and Julia
- 以及多琳 - and Doreen as well - Doreen
开始时我在伦敦颂经文 I was first a Lay Reader in London
后来经过培训 卡莱尔的主教颁给了证书 after completeting more training I was re-licensened by the bishop of Carlisle
自然多美 由主所造 nature's lovely, nature's made by god
它让我心态平和 接受逆境 it gives me the peace of mind to accept when things don't go the way they want to
政治是一项残酷的游戏 politics can be a very bruising game
- 我会忠心不变 信任上帝 - 是 - I will maintain my faith, I will continue to trust in god - Yes
我的信仰帮我渡过这些困难 I'm absolutely sure that my faith has helped me through these difficult times
你有想过在教堂工作吗？ Would you ever see you having a career in the church?
虽然我信主 但我还没感受到召唤 While I have a dedication to the church I haven't experienced what I would call
召唤我从事神职什么的 a calling into the priesthood or anything of that kind
所以目前还没打算 so the answer is no at the moment
我长大了要当宇航员 when I grow up I want to be an astronaut
但如果当不了 就做旅游车司机 but if I can't be an astronaut I think I'll be a coach driver
如果不是政府救济 我可能就得去偷抢了 if the state didn't give us any money, it would probably just mean crime
我很高兴不用靠偷窃过日子 and I'm glad I don't have to steal to keep myself alive
尼尔每周有一天到牛津饥荒救济会做义工 Neil spends one day a week doing voluntary work for Oxfam
我喜欢做这个 很轻松 书又多 人又好 I enjoy doing this, it's relaxing, I love books and I enjoy the company here
我想要有份全职工作 可拿薪水 I'd much rather have a fulltime job where I was being paid
但因为议会的工作 but because of the coucil work I do..
我希望其他时间能有份没那么辛苦的活 I really want a job in the rest of my time that isn't too stressfull
这些都是6.99镑的 我归到1.99镑了 well these are all ?:99 new so I'm putting them in at ?:99
每月当议员大概有200镑津贴 I get just over ?00 a month allowance for being councillor
此外每周9镑失业津贴 on top of that I get ? a week job-seekers allowance
因为失业有住房补助 得以付清房租 and I get my housing benefits as well which pays my rent
去年教过小孩法语 and I did some teaching of French to young children last year
收入还不错 and that was a very useful income while I did it
我回到家 When I go home, I come..
进来后妈妈给我一杯茶 I come in and mummy gives me a cup of tea..
我父母没教过我怎么过活 I don't think I was taught any sort of policy of living at all by my parents
这是他们最大的错误 this was probably their biggest mistake
我现在只能靠自己 that I was just left to fend for myself
他们对这世界全然无知 in a world which they seemed completely oblivious of
我最想要.. what I'd like most of all would be..
在父母年老时为他们做点啥 to be able to do something for my parents when they are older
必要时陪在他们身边 to be there when the time is neccesary
我父亲5年前去世了 well my father died five years ago
从那以后我觉得和我妈接近了些许 I do feel however that I'm a little nearer to my mother since then
在现实生活和情感上都是 both geographically and possibly emotionally
这并不容易 我还没完全恢复 it's never been an easy relationship and I'm not claiming everything is healed now
但我现在能和我妈说话了 but I feel I can speak to my mother
你想念你爸吗？ Do you miss your dad?
我小时候和我爸很要好 I had a great relationship with my father when I was much younger
长大后变差很多 my relationship with him did deteriorate as I got older
我有时觉得他给我的建议是错的 I sometimes felt that he'd made the wrong decision in advice he'd given me
还有他的所作所为 但那是他的人生 or things he'd done but then obviously he had his own life to lead!
他去世前几个月我们一起去看板球赛 just a few months before he died we went together to a cricket match
我们做了最后一次长谈 well we had what I knew would be the last long talk we would have
他那时已不久于人世 because he was dying at the time then
我们都喜欢板球 在一起挺放松 and we were both relaxed as we were doing something we enjoyed doing
在阳光下看着球赛 which was relaxing in the sunshine and watching sport
我觉得那天我们之间不再隔阂 so I felt that some bridging of the gap did take place that day
我结婚的话不会要小孩 when I get married I don't want to have any children because
他们太淘气 把房子搞得乱糟糟 they are always doing naughty things and making the whole house untidy
我总告诉自己不要生小孩 I always told myself that I would never have children
为什么？ Why?
因为孩子会遗传他们的父母 Because children inherit something from their parents
即便我老婆是世上最正常最乐观的人 and even if my wife were the most.. high spirited and ordinary and normal of people
孩子也会很可能不开心 the child would still stand a very fair chance of being not totally..
因为他会有我的遗传 full of happiness because what he or she will have inherited from me
我没结过婚 目前也没女朋友 no I've never married and I don't have a girlfriend at the moment
这是我人生的遗憾 it's one of the regrets of my life actually that I've not met..
我没遇到可以建立稳定关系的女人 somebody of the other sex I thought I could have a permament relationship with
但我这人应该不好相处 but I'm probably not the easiest of people to get on with
我交过一女朋友 谈了快两年 I did have one girlfriend for close on two years
所以我这人还不算没得救 so maybe I'm not as completely hopeless a character as might seem to be the case
你会想念肉体那部分 性的部分吗？ Do you miss a physical side, a sexual side in your life?
我是普通人 I am a physical person
所以我会喜欢有稳定的关系 so I imagine I could be happy in a lasting relationship with somebody
但你得面对现实 but you have to make do with reality
我的生活很多东西都事与愿违 and there are many things that might've happened in my life that haven't happened
要遗憾生气也没用 and there is little point in being regretful and angry about that
你好像比以前更坚强了 You seem to have a much stronger sense of purpose to your life than before
我觉得生命只有一次 人生短暂 I see that life comes once and it's quite short
你要懂得欣赏生活 and you have to appreciate what's good in it
我告诉你件事 and if I could just tell a short story..
我在晒太阳时看见身边有只蝴蝶 I was sunbathing and a butterfly landed quite close to me
翅膀很美 深红色 白色圈圈 beautiful wings, deep red colours and white circles on them
它的生命很短暂 但它停在我身边 and these creatures don't last very long but it landed very close to me
并没受到惊吓 it didn't seem frightened
好像很高兴的振动着翅膀 and it just seemed to delight in opening and closing its wings
享受阳光里那美妙的一刻 and just being beautiful for that period of time enjoying the sunshine
生活无外乎是 perhaps there isn't anything more to life than that
做自己 than just being what you are
这世界生生不息 realising that life goes on all around and..
万物都有自己的生活之道 there's millions of other living creatures who all have to find their paths as well
他们这趟伦敦之旅结束时 At the end of their very special day in London
在参观了动物园和参加派对后 after their trip to the zoo and the party
我们把孩子带到冒险乐园 we took our children to an adventure playground
让他们尽情玩耍 where they could do just what they liked
儿童之家的孩子们开始建造房子 those from a children's home set about building a house
这是尼古拉斯 there's Nicholas
托尼 and Tony
安德鲁 Andrew
约翰 John
和布鲁斯 and Bruce
苏西 Suzi
杰琦和她朋友 Jackie and her friends
7岁看大 give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man
这是英国未来的一瞥 this has been a glimpse of Britain's future
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