>> WELCOME BACK.
ON BREAKING NEWS THIS EVENING IS
THE IDENTITY OF THE MAN WHO SENT
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION INTO
DEFEND AND EXPLAIN MODE.
HE IS AN AMERICAN FORMER CIA
EMPLOYEE.
HE SPELLED OUT A SECRET
SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM.
GAVE AN ON CAMERA INTERVIEW TO
THE GUARDIAN.
HERE IS MORE OF IT.
LISTEN.
>> ONE OF THE EXTROEAORDINARY
PARTS ABOUT THIS IS USUALLY
WHISTLE BLOWER DO WHAT THEY DO
ANONYMOUSLY.
YOU HAVE DECIDED TO DO THE
OPPOSITE, WHICH IS TO DECLARE
YOURSELF OPENLY.
WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT?
>> I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC IS
OWED AN EXPLAINATION OF THE
MOTIVATIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF
THE DEMOCRATIC MODEL.
WHEN YOU ARE SUBVERTING THE
POWER OF GOVERNMENT.
IF YOU DO THAT, IT IS AS THE
GOVERNMENT DOES WHEN IT WANTS TO
BENEFIT.
IT WILL GIVE A MANDATE TO GO
HEY, TELL THE PRESS ABOUT THIS
THING AND THAT THING.
THE PUBLIC IS ON OUR SIDE.
BUT THEY RARELY, IF EVER DO
THAT.
THAT FALLS TO INDIVIDUAL
CITIZENS.
BUT I'M NOT.
I'M NO DIFFERENT FROM EVERYBODY
ELSE.
I DON'T HAVE SPECIAL SKILLS.
I'M JUST ANOTHER GUY WHO SITS
THERE AND WATCHES WHAT'S
HAPPENING AND GOES THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT'S NOT OUR PLACE
TO DECIDE.
AND SAY I DIDN'T CHANGE THIS
THESE.
THIS IS THE TRUTH.
THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
YOU SHOULD DECIDE WHETHER WE
NEED TO BE DOING THIS.
>> HAVE YOU GIVEN THOUGHT TO
WHAT IT IS THAT THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSE TO WITH
WHAT THEY MIGHT SAY ABOUT YOU OR
DEPICT YOU OR TRY TO DO TO YOU?
>> YEAH.
I COULD BE, YOU KNOW, RENDERED
BY THE CIA.
I COULD HAVE PEOPLE COME AFTER
ME OR ANY OF THEIR THIRD PARTY
PARTNERS.
WE HAVE GOT A CIA STATION JUST
UP THE ROAD IN HONG KONG.
I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE
VERY BUSY FOR THE NEXT WEEK.
THAT'S A FEAR I LIVE UNDER.
YOU CAN'T COME FORWARD AND BE
COMPLETELY FREE FROM RISK
BECAUSE THERE ARE SUCH POWERFUL
ADVERSARIES THAT NO ONE CAN
MEANINGFULLY OPPOSE THEM.
THEY WILL GET YOU IN TIME.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE TO
MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHAT
IT IS THAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.
IF LIVING UNFREELY BUT
COMFORTABLY IS SOMETHING YOU ARE
WILLING TO ACCEPT AND I THINK
MANY OF US ARE, IT'S THE HUMAN
NATURE.
YOU CAN GET UP EVERY DAY.
YOU CAN COLLECT YOUR LARGE
PAYCHECK FOR RELATIVELY LITTLE
WORK AGAINST THE PUBLIC INTEREST
IF YOU REALIZE THAT THAT IS THE
WORLD THAT YOU HELPED CREATE AND
IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE WITH THE
NEXT GENERATION AND THE NEXT
GENERATION TO EXTEND THE
CAPABILITIES, YOU REALIZE THAT
YOU MIGHT BE WILLING TO ACCEPT
ANY RISK.
MAKE A DECISION ABOUT HOW THAT
IS APPLIED.
>> WHY SHOULD PEOPLE CARE ABOUT
SURVEILLANCE?
>> EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT DOING
ANYTHING WRONG YOU'RE BEING
WATCHED AND RECORDED.
INCREASES EVERY YEAR BY ORDERS
OF MAGNITUDE TO WHERE IT'S
GETTING TO THE POINT THAT YOU
DON'T HAVE TO HAVE DON'T
ANYTHING WRONG.
YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO FALL UNDER
SUSPICIOUS BY SOMEBODY.
THEY CAN USE THE SYSTEM TO GO