温斯顿·丘吉尔: 在野生涯
躺着
let sleeping dogs lie 直译: 让睡着的狗躺着 不要插手一件事而导致它变糟
首相
是 大臣
第三季 第六集
翻|校|监 草草
时间轴 想念Gallifrey的Wholock
后期 8T
知易行难
他什么时候来 What time is he coming?
随时了 Any time.
现在该到了 Should be here now.
他会不会出什么事了 Perhaps something's happened to him.
你是说 他可能误了公交车吗 You mean, you think he's missed his bus?
不不不 No, no, no, no, no.
我是说 I mean
他可能... something may have...
出事了 happened.
他究竟是什么人啊 Who is he, exactly?
我只知道他是名陆军军官 All I know is he's an army officer
有事要告诉我 with something to tell me
还不肯在电话上说 and he wouldn't divulge on the telephone.
可能根本没什么 It's probably nothing.
或许吧 Perhaps.
不过 记得丘吉尔吗 《在野生涯》 Still, remember Churchill, The Wilderness Years?
他就是通过陆军军官得知了 He found out about our military inadequacy
我军军力不足和希特勒战争机器的事 and Hitler's war machine from army officers.
所以他在野期间 So all the time he was in the wilderness
一直在向媒体透露消息 he was able to leak stories to the press
让政府难堪 and embarrass the government.
我也可以那么做 I could do that!
但你就是政府的 But you're IN the government.
对哦 Yes!
我去开 I'll get it.
-桑德斯少校 -是 先生 - Major Saunders? - Yes, sir.
请进 Come in.
跟我来 Follow me.
没事的 It's all right.
这是我妻子 安妮 My wife, Annie.
晚上好 Good evening.
-喝点吗 -谢谢 - Drink? - Thanks.
-威士忌 -谢谢 - Scotch? - Thanks.
-坐下吧 -谢谢 - Sit down. - Thanks.
不用一直感谢我 好吗 No need to keep thanking me, all right?
谢谢...抱歉 Thanks. I mean, sorry.
也不用道歉 No need to apologise, either.
抱歉...谢谢... Sorry. I mean, thanks. I mean...
要我回避 让你们私下聊吗 Shall I go and let you two talk in private together?
不不 请留下吧 如果您不介意 No, no, no, please stay, if that's all right with you.
不介意 我对安妮没有秘密 Yes. No secrets from Annie.
我什么都告诉她 I tell her everything.
一般还说好几次 Several times, usually!
那么 这是绝密吗 So, is this highly confidential?
的确是 Well, it is, rather, yes.
要我打开收音机吗 Shall I turn on the radio?
怎么 有什么好节目吗 Why? Is there something good on?
是以防我们被窃听 In case we're being bugged.
有这可能吗 Is that likely?
窃听政客是谁负责 Who's in charge of bugging politicians?
是啊 说起来 是我 Yes, come to think of it, I am!
那就没事了 That's all right, then.
我想说 我马上要告诉您的事 Could I just say that what I'm about to tell you
算是私下跟您说的 I'm telling you on a personal basis?
好 Fine...
这话什么意思 What do you mean, exactly?
我是在告诉您本人 I'm telling you personally
而不是在告诉行政事务部大臣 and not as Minister for Administrative Affairs.
但我就是行政事务部大臣 But I am Minister of Administrative Affairs.
是 但我不是告诉那个角色的您 Yes, but I'm not telling you in that role.
我告诉您 是以记者的身份 I'm telling you as a journalist.
你是记者吗 你不是陆军军官吗 You're a journalist? I thought you were an army officer?
不 您是记者 No, YOU'RE a journalist.
我是大臣 I'm a minister.
是 但您做大臣之前是什么身份 Yes, but what were you before you became a minister?
第一题10分 不得商议 Your starter for ten, no conferring!
是 我明白你的意思了 Yes, I get your drift.
你有事要告诉我 You're telling me what you're telling me,
对了 我还不知道你要告诉我什么 and incidently, I don't know yet what you're telling me,
但不管你要告诉我什么 but whatever you're telling me,
你是告诉作为《改革》前编辑的我 you're telling me as the former editor of "Reform".
-是吗 -对 - Is that? - Yes.
您当年是位好编辑 You were a very fine editor.
我可不会那么说 Well, I wouldn't say that.
你总那么说的 Well, you've often said that!
但我要怎么阻止作为大臣的自己 But how do I prevent myself, as a minister,
得知你即将告诉作为前编辑的我的事呢 from knowing what you're going to tell me as the former editor?
我无法阻止大臣知道 是吧 I mean, I can't prevent the minister from knowing, can I?
我觉得他是说 这事关戴什么帽子 I think he means it's a question of hats,
-亲爱的 -是的 - darling. - Yes.
好吧 那我今晚就不戴我的大臣帽了 Fine, well, I'm not wearing my ministerial hat tonight,
这我理解 但我该提醒你 I understand that, but I think I ought to warn you,
如果我需要被告知你告诉我的事 that if I need to be told what you tell me,
我会毫不迟疑地尽责 让我掌握情况 I shan't hesitate to do my duty to keep myself fully informed!
好 Fine.
将英国武器卖给外国人的事是谁负责 Now, who's in charge of selling British weapons to foreigners?
-伦敦政经学院 哈克 -闭嘴 安妮 - Hacker, LSE. - Shut up, Annie.
您曾在《改革》上发表过篇文章 You wrote an article in "Reform"
是关于将英国武器出售给不良外国买家的 about the sale of British weapons to undesirable foreign buyers.
是的 是叫《可怕交易》 Yes, yes, it was called "The Dreadful Trade".
制造武器供国防 Perfectly patriotic to manufacture arms
和盟友使用的确是爱国行为 for our own defence or for that of our allies'.
尽管我们的盟友并非都十分值得称道 Although not all our allies are very commendable people.
但我们决不能让英国武器 But we must not sell British weapons
被用来助纣为虐 给外国暴君 纳粹独裁者 to bolster the regimes of foreign despots, Nazi dictators...
-或是恐怖分子 -恐怖分子 - Or terrorists. - Terroris...
恐怖分子 Terrorists?
恐怖分子 Terrorists.
我跟您说了 我近来刚从罗马回来 As I told you, I've recently returned from Rome.
对 北约任务 是吧 Yes. NATO assignment, was it?
对 去北约的军事代表团 Yes. A military delegation to NATO.
我在那里期间 他们给我看了一样 While I was there, they showed me something
他们突袭一间恐怖分子总部时查抄的东西 they'd captured in a raid on a terrorist HQ.
是一个电脑控制炸弹引爆装置 It was a computerised bomb detonator.
很新 很机密 Very new, very secret,
而且很致命 and very lethal.
谁给你看的 Who showed it to you?
这我恐怕不能告诉您 I'm afraid I can't possibly tell you.
我必须保密 It's in absolute confidence.
好吧 I see.
电脑控制炸弹引爆装置 Computerised bomb detonator?
是的 对它进行设置 来计算受害人体重 Yes, you set it to calculate the weight of the victim,
他的车速 等等 以确保能炸死他 speed of his car, and so on, so that you're sure of getting him,
而且还能远程重编程 and you can reprogram it remotely,
在设好后 可用无线电修改 by radio, after setting it.
天啊 Gosh.
不知怎么 我不觉得意大利人 Somehow, I don't associate Italians
能有那样的科技 with that sort of technology!
不是意大利制造的 It wasn't made in Italy.
是英国制造的 It was made here.
英国制造 Made in Britain?
对 Yes.
是国防部下的订单 Under a Ministry of Defence contract
花的是英国纳税人的钱 and paid for by the British taxpayer.
-却被意大利恐怖分子拿来用了吗 -对 - And used by Italian terrorists? - Yes.
他们从哪弄到的 Where did they get them?
这就是我想知道的 That's what I want to know.
你没跟别人说过吧 You haven't told anybody else about this?
没有 我不能说 如果我正式上报 No, I can't, if I make an official report,
我就得说出消息源 then I'd have to disclose my sources. But
但我想着如果我告诉一个 I thought if I tell someone
靠近政府高层的人... near the top of government...
就是政府高层 AT the top, actually.
好 Yes...
告诉他 英国机密设备 that secret British equipment
被提供给了意大利恐怖分子 was being supplied to Italian terrorists,
-那他就会... -是啊 - then he would... - Absolutely.
他会什么 What would he?
查明事情原委 Find out how it's being done.
调查当然得在英国开始 The investigation would have to start here in Britain of course,
并且是从最高层开始 and at the very top level.
好吧 Fine.
但你不是说 你这算是 But you told me that you were telling me
私下告诉我的吗 on a personal level, didn't you?
对 但现在您私下里知道了 Yes, but now you know personally,
即便您明面上还不知道 even if you don't know officially,
您也可以凭您私下里知道的事 you can use your personal knowledge
来发起官方调查 to start official investigations
正式确认个人怀疑 to get official confirmation of personal suspicions
这样您现在私下知道 so what you now know personally,
但明面上不知道的事 but not officially,
到时便既正式知道又私下知道了 will then know officially as well as personally.
你不会跟汉弗莱·阿普比爵士是亲戚吧 You're not related to Sir Humphrey Appleby by any chance?
-谁 -没什么 - Who? - Never mind!
-我就是觉得我必须告诉谁 -当然了 - I just felt I had to tell someone. - Absolutely.
那好吧 Well,
现在我知道了 now I know,
私下知道了 personally.
太好了 Marvellous.
您打算做点什么吧 Going to do something about it, aren't you?
当然了 是的 Absolutely, indeed I am.
马上吗 And right away?
是的 Right away.
您打算做什么 What are you going to do?
我要考虑一下你告诉我的事 I'm going to think about what you've told me.
马上考虑 Right away.
然后呢 And then?
然后我会考虑 And then I'm going to consider
各种措施选择 various courses of action.
毫不耽搁 Without delay.
您要毫不耽搁地采取措施吗 You're going to take action without delay.
我要毫不耽搁地考虑采取措施 I'm going to consider taking action without delay.
你不会跟汉弗莱·阿普比爵士是亲戚吧 Are you related to Sir Humphrey Appleby?
再来一杯吗 Another drink, then?
不了 我得走了 No, I must be off.
但我能指望您会解决这件令人震惊的事吧 But I can rely on you to tackle this shocking matter?
当然 Indeed you can.
-再见 -再见 - Goodbye. - Goodnight.
再见 少校 Goodnight, Major.
-再见 先生 -谢谢 - Goodnight, sir. - Thank you.
你怎么看 What do you make of that?
你会采取点行动吧 You're going to do something about it, aren't you?
当然了 如果此事不假 I certainly am, if it's right.
但我不敢相信会有这种事 But I can't believe it's true.
真有可能吗 Could it happen?
不可能的 Couldn't.
可能吗 Could it?
不仅仅是不该 更不可能啊 I mean, it's not just that it shouldn't. But it couldn't.
即便可能 也不会的 是吧 And if it could, it wouldn't. Would it?
你还真跟汉弗莱·阿普比爵士是亲戚 You ARE related to Sir Humphrey Appleby!
汉弗莱 我有件事必须跟你说说 Humphrey, I must talk to you about something
这件事令我十分担忧 something that concerns me deeply.
真的非常重要 Really profoundly important.
是政府机构库存盘点的 Is it the amendment to the administrative order
行政命令修正案的事吗 on stock control in government establishments?
不是 No.
还是地方政府特别开发区租赁权 Or the procedure for renewal of local authority leaseholds in
续约的规程问题 Special Development Areas?
不 让我担忧的 No, what concerns me
是事关生死的重大问题 is a great issue really of life and death.
那还是等到下班了再说吧 Shouldn't that wait till after work?
就是工作的事 It is work.
是吗 Really?
请讲 Please go on.
英国武器制造商要怎样 How do British armaments manufacturers
向外国人出售武器 sell their arms to foreigners?
据我所知 这需要贸易部开具的 Well, I believe you have to get an export licence
出口许可证 from the Department of Trade.
所以私企可以向海外出售军火 So private firms can sell their arms abroad?
私企和政府机构都可以 Private companies and government agencies.
他们都卖给谁 To whom do they sell?
-一般都是外国政府 -没别的了吗 - Well, foreign governments, usually. - Is that all?
有时 可以卖给军火商 第三方 Well, sometimes you can sell to an arms dealer, third party.
或许 曼彻斯特的什么人 Perhaps, a little man in Manchester
替来自海峡群岛的什么人下单 buys on behalf of a party in the Channel Islands
此人又在卢森堡有联络人 who has a contact in Luxembourg and...
-等等 -所以实际上无法控制 - so on. - So, there's no real control
军火最终会流向谁 over who the arms go to in the end?
可以的 Indeed there is.
经销商要提供一份最终用户证书 The dealer has to provide an end user certificate
就是一个英国政府认可的签名 which is a signature acceptable to Her Majesty's Government
证明最终用户 的确是位受认可的用户 that the ultimate customer is, in fact, an approved user.
那算是真正的保证吗 Is that a real guarantee, I mean...
比如说 这会让你觉得惊奇吗 Would you be surprised, for instance,
如果一架英国航母 if a British aircraft carrier
出现在了中非共和国 turned up in the Central African Republic?
我 大臣 Well, I, for one, Minister,
的确会相当惊奇 would be very surprised.
因为那是在内陆一千英里的国家 It's 1,000 miles inland!
你明白我的意思 Yes, you know what I mean.
那小武器呢 What about smaller weapons?
官方上讲是不可能的 Well, it's officially impossible.
毕竟有严格的安保措施 There's stringent security,
缜密的检查规章 细致的审查制度 rigorous inspection procedures, meticulous scrutiny.
你是说 都是装样子的 You mean it's all a facade?
我想这段对话还是就此打住吧 I think perhaps this conversation should end here,
您说呢 大臣 don't you, Minister?
不 不出我所料 No, it's as I thought.
昨晚 一个机密消息源向我透露 Last night, a confidential source disclosed to me
英国武器在被卖给意大利红色恐怖组织 that British arms are being sold to Italian Red Terrorist Groups.
这样啊 I see.
可以问问这个机密消息源是谁吗 May I ask who this confidential source was?
汉弗莱 我都说是机密了 Humphrey, I just said it was confidential.
抱歉 I'm sorry.
我自然以为 那表示您打算告诉我 I naturally assumed that meant you were going to tell me.
你似乎不怎么对这则信息感到担忧 You don't seem to be very worried about this information.
这种事经常发生 不是我们的问题 These things happens all the time. It's not our problem.
暴力抢劫还经常发生呢 So does robbery with violence.
你就不担心吗 Doesn't that worry you?
不 大臣 那是内政部的事 No, Minister. Home Office problem.
汉弗莱 我们在让恐怖分子 Humphrey, we're letting terrorists
拿到杀人武器 get hold of murderous weapons!
不是我们 WE'RE not.
那是谁 Well, who is?
谁知道呢 贸易部 Who knows? Department of Trade?
国防部 外交部 Ministry of Defence? Foreign Office?
是我们 汉弗莱 英国政府 We, Humphrey, the British Government.
无辜生命受到威胁 Innocent lives are being set at risk
因为英国武器落入了恐怖分子之手 by British arms in the hands of terrorists.
只有意大利生命 没有英国生命 大臣 Only Italian lives, not British lives, Minister.
也可能有去海外的英国游客呢 Could be British tourists abroad.
游客 那是外交部的事 Tourists? Foreign Office problem.
汉弗莱 我们得做点什么 Humphrey, we have to do something.
无意冒犯 大臣 我们什么都不能做 With respect, Minister, we have to do nothing.
什么意思 What do you mean?
向海外出售军火 The sale of arms abroad
属于政府事务中 is one of those areas of government
不能检查得太仔细的那种 that we do not examine too closely.
既然我知道了 那我就得检查 Well, I have to, now that I know about it.
您可以说您不知道 You can say you don't know.
你是叫我撒谎吗 You're suggesting I should lie?
不是您 大臣 不 Not you, Minister, no.
那谁该撒谎呢 Well, who should lie?
睡着的狗 大臣 Sleeping dogs, Minister.
不 我要追究这事 汉弗莱 No, I'm going to raise this, Humphrey.
不 大臣 求您了 No, Minister, I beg you.
政府的一条基本准则 A basic rule of government
就是绝不调查任何不非得调查的事 is never look into anything you don't have to,
绝不发起调查 and never set up an enquiry
除非您提前就知道调查结果会是什么 unless you know in advance what its findings will be.
难以置信 I can't believe this!
这可是善恶问题 We're talking about good and evil.
-那是英国国教的问题了 -不 汉弗莱 - Church of England problem. - No, Humphrey!
是我们的问题 Our problem.
我们在讨论是非对错 We are discussing right and wrong.
或许您是 大臣 但我不是 You may be, Ministert. But I'm not.
那可是严重滥用政府时间 It would be serious misuse of government time.
卖军火给恐怖分子就是错的 Selling arms to terrorists is wrong,
你难道不懂吗 汉弗莱 can't you see that, Humphrey?
不 大臣 No, Minister,
军火生意只有做和不做 either you sell arms or you don't.
只要做 军火将不可避免地落入 If you sell them, they will inevitably end up
有钱购买的人手中 with people who have the cash to buy them.
总不能落入恐怖分子手中 But not terrorists?
或许我们可以在来复枪枪托上 Well, I suppose we could put some sort of
刻上政府健康警告 government health warning on the rifle butts!
"这把枪能严重威胁您的健康" "This gun can seriously damage your health."
你大可不当回事 汉弗莱 It's all very well to take this lightly, Humphrey,
但我们绝不能对这种道德上的 but we cannot close our eyes to something
大是大非视而不见 that is as morally wrong as this.
好吧 大臣 Very well, Minister,
如果您非要逼我谈道德问题 if you insist on making me discuss moral issues,
那容我指出 may I point out to you that
道德本就是大是大非 something is either morally wrong or it isn't.
没有小是小非 It can't be slightly morally wrong.
别咬文嚼字 汉弗莱 No, don't quibble, Humphrey.
政府追求的不是道德 Government isn't about morality.
是吗 Really?
那是什么 What is it about?
稳定 Stability.
维持运转 Keeping things going.
避免无序 Preventing anarchy.
阻止社会崩溃 明天依然存在 Stopping society falling to bits. Still being here tomorrow.
为什么 What for?
您说什么 I beg your pardon?
政府的终极目的是什么 What is the ultimate purpose of government
如果不是行善的话 if it isn't for doing good?
大臣 政府的关注点不是善恶 Minister, government isn't about good and evil.
而是秩序和混乱 It's only about order or chaos.
难道意大利恐怖分子 And it's in order for Italian terrorists
拿到英国炸弹就没问题吗 to get British bombs?
你也不在乎 And you don't care?
在乎这个不是我的工作 It's not my job to care.
那是政客的工作 That's what politicians are for.
我的工作是执行政府政策 My job is to carry out government policy.
哪怕你认为政策是错的 Even if you think it's wrong?
几乎所有政府政策都是错的 但... Well, almost all government policy is wrong, but...
都执行得很好 ...frightfully well carried out!
汉弗莱 据你所知 Humphrey, have you ever known
有文官因原则问题辞职过吗 a civil servant resign on a matter of principle?
怎么可能 I should think not!
这么说太过分了 What an appalling suggestion!
我第一次彻底明白了 For the first time, I fully understand
你完全只关注手段 而非结果 that you are purely committed to means and not to ends!
在我看来 大臣 Well, as far as I'm concerned, Minister,
我的同僚也都这么看 and all of my colleagues,
手段和结果之间没有区别 there is no difference between means and ends.
如果你真那么想 汉弗莱 If you believe that, Humphrey,
你会下地狱的 you will go to hell.
大臣 我不知道您还有神学倾向 Minister, I had no idea you had a theological bent.
你是道德真空 汉弗莱 You are a moral vacuum, Humphrey.
随您说吧 大臣 If you say so, Minister.
您该赴午饭的约了 大臣 It's time for your lunch appointment, Minister.
你好沉默 伯纳德 You're keeping very quiet, Bernard.
你会怎么做 What would you do about all this?
我会保持沉默 大臣 I would keep very quiet, Minister.
那么 大臣 我们就放下军火销售的事了 So, Minister, may we drop this matter of the arms sales?
不 不行 No, we may not!
我要去亲自告诉首相 I'm going to tell the Prime Minister, personally.
给我做个安排吧 伯纳德 Make an appointment for me, would you, Bernard?
这种事 This is just the sort of thing
首相肯定想知道 that the Prime Minister wants to know about.
我向您保证 大臣 I assure you, Minister,
这种事首相肯定 this is just the sort of thing the Prime Minister
特别不想知道 desperately wants NOT to know about.
我们走着瞧 We shall see about that.
是啊 Indeed we will.
怎么了 伯纳德 What's the matter, Bernard?
没什么 汉弗莱爵士 Nothing really, Sir Humphrey.
你似乎不高兴 You look unhappy.
我就是在想 大臣是不是对的 Well, I was just wondering if the minister was right, actually.
不太可能 你指哪件事 Very unlikely. What about?
手段和结果的事 About ends and means.
我最终也会变成道德真空吗 I mean, will I end up as a moral vacuum, too?
希望如此 伯纳德 I hope so, Bernard.
如果你够努力 If you work hard enough.
我觉得有点泄气 Makes me feel rather downcast.
如果我们的工作是执行政府政策 If it's our job to carry out government policies,
难道我们不该相信这些政策吗 shouldn't we believe in them?
你怎么会这么想 What an extraordinary idea!
为什么 Why?
伯纳德 Bernard...
我在这30年来服务了11届政府 I have served 11 governments in the past 30 years.
如果我相信所有他们的政策 If I had believed in all their policies,
我会坚决而激烈地 I would've been passionately committed
反对加入共同市场 to keeping out of the Common Market,
并坚决而激烈地支持加入共同市场 and passionately committed to going into it.
我会完全坚信 I would've been utterly convinced
理应国有化钢铁企业 of the rightness of nationalising steel
然后私有化 然后重归国有化 and of denationalising it and renationalising it.
还有死刑一事 And capital punishment?
我会热心地支持保留死刑 I'd have been a fervent retentionist
也热烈地支持废除死刑 and an ardent abolitionist.
我会支持凯恩斯的宏观经济学 I would've been a Keynesian
和弗里德曼的自由市场理论 and a Friedmanite,
既支持保留文法学校又支持取消它 a grammar school preserver and destroyer,
既狂热地支持国有化 a nationalisation freak
又疯狂地支持私有化 and a privatisation maniac,
但最重要的是 but above all,
我会是个疯疯癫癫胡说八道的 I would have been a stark-staring raving
精神分裂症患者 schizophrenic!
那我们相信什么 So what do we believe in?
现在 伯纳德 At this moment, Bernard,
我们相信阻止大臣 we believe in stopping the Minister
通知首相 from informing the Prime Minister.
但为什么 But why?
因为一旦首相知道了 Because once the Prime Minister knows,
就得发起调查 there will have to be an enquiry,
就像水门事件 like Watergate.
针对一次小闯入事件的调查 The investigation of a trivial break-in
引出了一件又一件惊天内幕 led to one ghastly revelation after another
最终 导致一位总统下台 and finally the downfall of a president.
黄金法则就是 The golden rule is
别去捅马蜂窝 don't lift lids off cans of worms.
是 汉弗莱爵士 No, Sir Humphrey.
一切都相互关联 Everything is connected to everything else.
谁说的 Who said that?
内阁秘书吗 The Cabinet Secretary?
很接近了 是列宁 Nearly right. Actually, it was Lenin.
那要怎么阻止一位内阁大臣 So how do you stop a Cabinet Minister
找首相谈话呢 talking to a Prime Minister?
这可是个很有趣的问题 你说呢 Well, now that is a very interesting question. You tell me.
我不知道 I don't know.
自己想想 伯纳德 Well, work it out, Bernard.
你不是前程似锦吗 You're supposed to be a high-flier.
还是说你只是低空飞行 Or are you really a low-flier
偶尔会被一阵阵风吹上天 supported by occasional gusts of wind?
嗯... Well,
您不能阻止大臣见首相 是吧 YOU can't stop the Minister seeing the PM, can you?
我是不能 I can't, no.
10号的私人办公室也不能 Nor can the private office at No. 10.
对 Correct.
所以得是政府高层的某个人 So it has to be someone pretty high up in government.
-接近了 -一个首相身边的人 - Getting warmer. - Someone close to the PM.
一个能吓住大臣的人 Someone who can frighten the Minister...
首席党鞭吗 The Chief Whip?
太好了 伯纳德 你进步了不少 Excellent, Bernard, you've learnt a lot.
那么 你怎么挥鞭 So, how do you crack the whip?
什么 I'm sorry?
你要怎么差遣首席党鞭 How do you mobilise the Chief Whip?
大臣叫我 Well, the Minister's asked me
致电首相私人办公室安排会面 to phone the PM's private office for an appointment,
所以如果您去找一下内阁秘书 so if you had a word with the Cabinet Secretary,
他再去找一下日程秘书 and he had a word with the diary secretary,
他们都去找一下党鞭办公室 and they all had a word with the Whip's office...
那等大臣到了 ...then when the Minister arrived,
首席党鞭可以跟他见面 the Chief Whip could meet him
推说首相忙于公务 and say the PM is rather busy
所以叫他来见大臣了 and had asked him to have a word with the Minister instead.
很好 伯纳德 Excellent, Bernard.
你真该去修个工程学学位 You should have taken a degree in engineering!
你在干什么 What are you doing?
您不是要找内阁秘书吗 I thought you wanted to talk to the Cabinet Secretary,
-汉弗莱爵士 -是的 - Sir Humphrey. - I do, indeed.
那么 你 伯纳德 Now, do you, Bernard,
作为大臣的私人秘书 as the Minister's private secretary,
是否觉得有义务把这段对话告诉大臣 feel obliged to tell the Minister of this conversation?
什么对话 What conversation?
好样的 伯纳德 你终能成为道德真空 Well done, Bernard. You'll be a moral vacuum yet!
吉姆 Jim.
好伙计 见到你真高兴 My dear chap, how nice to see you.
维克 我其实是来见首相的 Vic, I was hoping to see the Prime Minister, actually.
是啊 Yes.
其实 首相今天挺忙的 Actually, the PM's rather busy today.
所以叫我来见你了 Asked me to see you instead.
抱歉 维克 这事没法跟首席党鞭说 I'm sorry, Vic, it's not really a matter for the Chief Whip.
是啊 首相叫我 Yes, well, the PM has asked me
先跟你初步谈谈 to have a preliminary conversation
记下背景情况 and write a background note.
回头能省时间 Save time later.
好吧 Well,
我收到了一些很惊人的信息 I've been given some pretty dramatic information.
说吧 Go on.
意大利红色恐怖组织 The Italian Red Terrorist Groups
拿到了绝密炸弹引爆装置 are being supplied with top secret bomb detonators
是在英国一家政府工厂里制造的 made in this country, in a government factory.
你觉得你该告诉首相吗 And you feel you should tell the PM?
是啊 首相可是安全主管 Well, yes, the PM's head of security.
我觉得不该拿这种事去麻烦首相 I don't think it's anything to burden the PM with.
我们先缓缓吧 Let's hold it over, shall we?
你是说 忘了这事吗 You mean, forget all about it?
那是我的建议 That's my recommendation.
抱歉 维克 这我不能接受 I'm sorry, Vic, I can't accept it.
首相必须知道 The PM must be told.
如果首相真知道了 那就得发起调查 If the PM were to be told, there'd have to be an enquiry.
没错 Exactly.
那可能会揭露 Which might perhaps reveal that
各种不良甚至敌对政府 all sorts of undesirable, even hostile governments
都拿到了英国制造的军火 had been supplied with British-made arms.
你说真的吗 Are you seriously?
我说可能 I said perhaps.
这可能会让我们一些内阁同僚 This might perhaps be highly embarrassing
深深蒙羞 to some of our Cabinet colleagues -
外交大臣 国防大臣 Foreign Secretary, Defence Secretary,
贸易大臣 还有首相本人 Trade Secretary, and to the PM personally.
是啊 行正义之事 Yes, well, doing the right thing
有时可能会让人蒙羞 might be embarrassing sometimes, but
但也不能因此就不做了 that's not a very good reason for not doing it.
你知道我们本就向叙利亚 智利 You know we already sell arms to places like
伊朗等国出售军火吧 Syria, Chile, Iran?
是啊 但那是官方批准的 Yeah. But that's officially approved.
是啊 Quite.
那你对他们使用军火的方式满意吗 And you're happy about what they do with them?
这...当然不完全满意了 Well, obviously not entirely.
军火生意只有做和不做 Well, either you're in the arms business or you're not!
如果做这生意 Well, if being in it
就要给杀人犯 恐怖分子提供武器 means arming murderers, and terrorists,
那我们就该不做 这不道德 then we should be out, it's immoral.
好啊 Great!
那让十万英国工人失业就道德了吗 And is it moral to put 100,000 British workers out of a job?
还有出口额呢 What about the exports,
一下就有二十亿镑要打水漂 two billion pounds a year down the tube for starters.
还有选票呢 And what about the votes?
你以为政府把那些 Where do you think the government
军火订单都下在了哪 places all those weapons contracts?
-当然是边缘选区 -就是 - In marginal constituencies, obviously. - Exactly.
维克 我只是说 既然我知道了 Look, Vic, all I'm saying is that now that I know about it,
就必须告诉首相 the Prime Minister must be told.
为什么 Why?
你染上了感冒 Just because you've caught something nasty,
干吗还要到处走 对着别人吹气 why do you have to wander about, breathing over everyone?
你在内阁做得开心吗 Are you happy in the Cabinet?
当然了 Yes, of course I am!
你还想继续待在内阁吗 Do you want to stay in it?
那不就是了 Well, then?
抱歉 维克 但我还得顾及责任 I'm sorry, Vic, but there is such a thing as duty.
有时人必须 There are times when one must do
按照良心办事 what one's conscience tells one.
老天爷 For God's sake!
你就非得到处 Must you go around
炫耀你个人的那点良心吗 flashing your petty private individual little conscience?
你以为其他人就没良心了吗 Don't you think anybody else has got one?
你对政府存亡的大事 Haven't you got a conscience about the
就没良心了吗 survival of the government?
我当然有 Of course I have, yes!
首相正准备 Here's the PM is on the verge of
签署一项国际反恐协议 signing an international anti-terrorist agreement.
我不知道啊 I didn't know that.
是啊 你不知道的多了 Yeah. There's a lot you don't know about.
你看不出孰轻孰重吗 Can't you see that it's essential
解决重大政策问题 to deal with the major policy aspects
而不是去端掉个别 rather than pick off a couple of
小军火出口商和恐怖组织 little arms exporters and terrorist groups?
是啊 的确也就是个别小恐怖组织 Yes, I suppose it is just a couple of little terrorist groups.
他们也杀不了多少人 是吧 Well, they can't kill that many people, can they?
是啊 I suppose not!
你却要为了片刻自我道德满足而毁掉一切吗 And you want to blow it all in a fit of moral self-indulgence!
毕竟 After all,
首相还在考虑让你 with the PM thinking about you
担任下届外交大臣 as the next Foreign Secretary...
你说真的吗 Do you mean that?
老天爷 Good Lord!
所以 如果你想自我牺牲 So if you want to martyr yourself, then,
那请便 要求发起调查吧 go ahead and press for an enquiry.
尽管赌上我们这些年来 Feel free to jeopardise everything
一起争取奋斗所得到的一切吧 we've all fought for and worked for together all these years.
不不 当然不了 不用说 No, no, no, no. Of couse, well, now, obviously, I mean,
意大利恐怖分子能拿到 it's appalling if Italian terrorists
英国武器的确太可怕了 are getting hold of British weapons,
但如你所说 还要考虑忠诚 but as you said, there is such a thing as loyalty,
共同目标 you know, the common purpose.
我想是得以合适的视角看待这些事 I suppose one must see these things in a proper perspective.
当然 如果你在国防部 Of course, if you were at the Ministry of Defence,
或者贸易委员会 or the Board of Trade.
是啊 这是国防部的问题 Well, absolutely, Ministry of Defence problem,
贸易委员会的问题 Board of Trade problem.
外交部的问题 Foreign Office problem.
这下我懂了 I can see that now.
所以我们可以暂时先缓缓咯 So we can hold it over for the time being, can we?
可不想惹怒首相 或让他难堪 是吧 Don't want to upset and embarrass the PM, do we?
当然不想 Absolutely not.
绝对不想 Definitely not.
不想 No.
我就不该提 Sorry I mentioned it.
好伙计 Good man!
所以权衡之下 我想最好还是就此罢手 So I thought on balance it was best to leave it at that.
莫惹麻烦 Let sleeping dogs lie...
这是为了更大的利益 In the wider interest.
毕竟我是政府的忠诚一员 As a loyal member of the government.
没什么好处的 Nothing to be gained.
不能去捅马蜂窝 Mustn't opening a can of worms.
但少校说他们可是恐怖分子 But the major said they were terrorists.
是啊 Yes, well...
我们还轰炸过东德的德累斯顿 We bombed Dresden.
-我们其实不都是恐怖分子吗 -不是 - We're all terrorists, really, aren't we? - No.
我是打个比方 Well, I mean metaphorically.
你该去见见首席党鞭 他绝对是 You should meet the Chief Whip. He certainly is!
但英国有人把炸弹给了杀人犯 But someone in Britain's giving bombs to murderers.
是卖 不是给 Selling, not giving.
那就可以了吗 That makes it OK?
现实点 安妮 Now, be serious, Annie.
发起调查可能会揭露各种勾当 An investigation might uncover all sorts of goings-on.
这样啊 I see.
如果能抓住一个罪犯就可以调查 It's all right to investigate if you might catch one criminal,
但如果会抓住一群就不行了 but not if you might catch lots of them!
如果那一群是你的内阁同僚 还真就不行 Well, if they're your Cabinet colleagues, yes, you're right!
治理是件很复杂的事 安妮 No, you see, Government is a very complex business, Annie.
有太多相互冲突的考虑 There are so many conflicting considerations.
比如是非对错的选择 Like, whether you do the right thing or wrong thing.
没错 不... Exactly. No, no...
那你说我该怎么办 Well, what do you suggest I should do?
表明道德立场 Take a moral stand.
怎么表明 How?
威胁辞职 Threaten resignation.
他们会接受的 They'd accept it!
那我会怎样 Then where would I be?
如果他们接受了我的辞职 我走人了 I mean, if they accept my resignation, I'm gone,
我也无法再做好事了 不是吗 I'm not in a position to do any good any more, am I?
你现在也没做到好事啊 Well, you're not doing good now.
辞职或许能安慰我的和你的良心 Look, resignation may be a sop to my consciences, and to yours,
但并不能阻止意大利恐怖分子拿到英国炸弹 but it won't stop Italian terrorists getting British bombs.
如果你威胁说出你知道的事 或许就能阻止 Well, it might if you threaten to tell what you know.
那我知道什么呢 Well, what do I know?
我并没掌握任何真凭实据 I don't know any hard facts.
我只知道有这事 I only know it's going on
因为没人肯否认 但这又不叫证据 because nobody's denied it, but that's not proof.
你看不出吗 我的处境很麻烦 Can't you see? I'm in a real fix.
我想你并不知道你的麻烦究竟多大 I don't think you realise just how real a fix you're in.
这是今天收到的信 This letter arrived today.
桑德斯少校寄来的 From Major Saunders.
"亲爱的哈克先生 "Dear Mr Hacker.
谢谢您上周一见我 Thank you for seeing me on Monday, last.
能把英国武器被提供给意大利恐怖分子 Such a relief to have told you about this ghastly business
这件可怕的事告诉您真让人如释重负 of the supply of British weapons to Italian terrorists.
我知道您会如保证的那样据此采取行动 I know you will act upon this information as you promised
我期待看到具体举措" and I look forward to seeing some action taken."
看 You see?
回头桑德斯少校告诉世界他明明把丑闻 Now, what will you do when Major Saunders tells the world
告诉了你 你却无动于衷时 你要怎么办 that he told you about this scandal and you did nothing?
这是影印本 他保留了原件 It's a photocopy. He's got the original.
而且还是挂号信 And it was recorded delivery,
你不能说你没收到 so you can't say you didn't get it.
我被困住了 I'm trapped!
完全困住了 Completely trapped!
我不能告诉首相 也不能不告诉首相 I can't tell the PM, I can't NOT tell the PM.
这样啊 I see.
我在想 大臣 I was just wondering, Minister,
我们能不能用罗德西亚破局法 if we might not use the Rhodesia Solution?
伯纳德 你真是超神了 Bernard, you excel yourself!
当然了 大臣 罗德西亚破局法 Of course, Minister, the Rhodesia Solution!
-你说什么呢 -石油制裁 记得吗 - What're you talking about? - Oil sanctions, remember?
有位政府成员被告知 A member of the government was told
英国公司在违反制裁 about the way British companies were sanction-busting.
-那他做了什么 -他告诉了首相 - What did he do? - He told the Prime Minister.
那他又做了什么 And what did he do?
他告诉首相的方式 He told the Prime Minister in such a way
让首相没听到他 that the Prime Minister didn't hear him.
你是叫我 Do you mean I should
在分组表决厅里嘟囔出来吗 mumble it or something in the Division Lobby?
不不 大臣 您写封简信 No, no, no, Minister, you write a note.
用字迹很淡的铅笔吗 In very faint pencil?
拜托 现实点吧 Please, be practical.
不 大臣 办法显而易见 No, Minister, it's awfully obvious.
您写一封很容易被误解的简信 You write a note which is susceptible of misinterpretation.
我明白了 I see!
"亲爱的首相 我得知 "Dear Prime Minister, it has come to my attention,
意大利红色恐怖分子 that the Italian Red Terrorists
拿到了英国绝密炸弹制造装备" are getting hold of British top secret bomb-making equipment."
这要怎么误解 How do you misinterpret that?
当然不能 You can't.
就是啊 Well, exactly.
所以不能这么写 So you don't write that.
要写得更谨慎些 You use a more circumspect style
完全避免提到炸弹或恐怖分子 you avoid any mention of bombs or terrorists,
或此类字眼 or any of that sort of thing.
那不是很难办吗 Wouldn't that be rather difficult,
是这意思吗 is that what is all about?
这么说 伯纳德 记下来 You say, Bernard, write this down.
"我在私下里发现了 "My attention has been drawn on a personal basis
表明可能存在 to information which suggests the possible
违规行为的信息 违反了..." of certain irregularities under Section..."
《1939年(C)进出口和 Section 1 of the Import, Export
海关职权(国防)法案》第一节 and Custom powers (Defence) Act 1939(c).
谢谢 伯纳德 Thank you, Bernard.
然后您接着说 You then go on suggest
该有其他人来采取措施 that somebody else should do something about it.
"初步证据显示 "Prima facie evidence suggests
可能有理由进行深入调查 that there could be a case for further investigation
以确定是否该发起正式调查" to establish whether or not enquiries should be put in hand."
然后您再把问题糊化 Then you smudge it all over.
"不过 "Nevertheless,
应当强调 现有信息非常有限 it should be stressed that available information is limited
相关事实也可能难以 and relevant facts could be difficult to establish
确凿地查实" with any degree of certainty."
这样啊 I see.
这样 即便真发起了调查 您也不会有事 Then, if there were an enquiry, you'd be in the clear
大家也都能理解 and everybody would understand
日理万机的首相可能没领会 that the busy PM might not have grasped
这样一封信的全部深意 the full implications of such a letter.
当然能理解 这谁能看懂 They certainly would! That's most unclear.
谢谢 大臣 Thank you, Minister!
然后您安排这封信在首相启程 Then, you arrange for the letter to arrive at No. 10
去海外参加峰会的那天送到10号 on the day the PM leaves for an overseas summit!
这样 究竟是首相还是代理首相 So there is also doubt about whether it was the PM
读到了信也成了谜团 or the acting PM who read the note.
因此 整件事都会被说成 And so the whole thing is written off
是沟通不畅 as a breakdown in communication,
大家都没事了 everybody's in the clear
大家也都能继续做自己的事了 and everybody can get on with their business.
-包括红色恐怖分子 -没错 - Including the Red Terrorists! - Exactly...
伯纳德 Bernard!
我跟你说说治理这回事 I'll tell you about government.
你必须永远尽力做正确的事 You must always try to do the right thing.
但你绝不能让人发现你想这么做 But you must never let anybody catch you trying to do it
因为做正确的事是错的 because doing right's wrong.
是吧 Right?
你喝够了吧 亲爱的 Haven't you had enough, darling?
瓶子里还剩点呢 There's still some left in the bottle.
不 治理的关键是原则 No, the thing about government is principle.
原则就是 And the principle is
你绝不能晃动现状之船 you mustn't rock the boat...
因为你一晃 ...because if you do,
那些小良心就都掉出来了 all the little consciences will fall out.
而且大家得绑在一起 And you must all hang together.
因为如果不这样 Because if you don't hang together,
你们会被分开绞死 you'll all be hanged separately.
我要是死了可就死了 I'm hanged if I'll be hanged!
其实 You know...
从政就是帮助他人 politics is about helping others.
哪怕要为此帮助恐怖分子 Even if that means helping terrorists.
恐怖分子也算他人 是吧 Terrorists are others, aren't they?
不是我们 是吧 Not us, are they?
不是 No.
你要时刻跟随良心 And you must always follow your conscience,
但也必须知道你在往哪走 but you must know where you're going.
所以你不能跟随良心 So you can't follow your conscience.
因为它可能跟你走的不是一个方向 'Cause it may not be going the same way that you are.
空了 Empty...
就像我 Like me.
我是个道德真空 I'm a moral vacuum.
开心点 亲爱的 Cheer up, darling!
白厅就没好事 Nothing good ever comes out of Whitehall.
你也尽力了 You did what you could.
-你那不是真心话 -是真的 - You don't really mean that. - I do.
不 我跟汉弗莱他们一个样 No, I'm just like Humphrey and all the rest of them.
不 才不是呢 No, that's certainly not true!
-不吗 -他已经丧失了是非观 - No? - He's lost his sense of right and wrong.
你还没呢 You've still got yours.
是吗 Have I?
你只是不怎么用它了 It's just that you don't use it much.
你就像个醉酒牧师 You're a sort of whisky priest,
你做错了事时 至少还自知 you do at least know when you've done the wrong thing.
醉酒牧师 Whisky priest?
是啊 That's right.
好 Good.
我们再开一瓶吧 Let's open another bottle.
我们没酒了 We haven't got one.
那是你以为 That's what you think!
谁说白厅没好事的 Who said nothing good ever came out of Whitehall?
你来吗 You want one?
是 大臣 Yes, Minister!