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Yeah! Steady!

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Oh, man!

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one of my good friends, or best friend from kindergarten,

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we actually got in a lot of trouble together.

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I think because of that, because of me getting in trouble

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and almost getting sent to juvenile hall,

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I remember telling my probation officer, saying like,

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"I found something that interests me.

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And this is something I'm gonna focus on."

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You all right?

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I was this scrawny little kid with probably size six feet, right?

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I wanted to go off the high dive.

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I wanted to be one of the best basketball players.

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But I just didn't have the size to do that.

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And so, when I started skating, it gave me a sense of identity.

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It gave me a sense of self-confidence. It gave me a purpose.

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when I was growing up,

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I was miserable at everything I tried to do. I rode a bike once.

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Tried to do a wheelie, the front wheel fell off, I crashed.

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Skateboarding, it was the first time I was good at something.

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I wasn't horrible at it, which meant I was good at it.

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You know, I competed in team sports before

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as a young kid, and I think I was playing

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for those coaches' dreams.

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I don't know. I don't think it was about the kids.

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It was about them reliving their childhood, you know?

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And I think that kind of just scared me off of team sports.

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Skateboarding, I could just do by myself.

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I didn't have to have somebody to throw the ball with.

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Every sect, every faction in school gave me grief, you know?

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It didn't matter. Like, the cool kids, the stoners,

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the jocks, fuck it. It was like, "fuck you, man."

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It was the only thing I could find sanctuary in, you know?

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A sense of peace.

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I don't know what was wrong with me,

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but teachers would reach out,

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"Troubled kid. Is he autistic?"

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I don't know. I could never speak.

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I went through huge parts of my life not even speaking.

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I spoke in whispers. It was weird.

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Everyone did in the house, mostly.

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Skateboarding, what it represented,

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the ability to create, to express myself. It became my voice.

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As you can see right here--

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we've got 12 riders that are going to go head-to-head.

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Now they qualified here today, with the first place qualifier

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going up to 12th place qualifier.

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Tony Hawk, a local boy, a local favorite here.

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In fact, he won the last competition here.

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Well, actually, the last three. Who's counting, right?

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Here we go. Tony Hawk. Let me hear you.

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Big hand for Tony Hawk-- Powell-Peralta!

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It wasn't like anything else that had ever existed.

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This was like a sort of constructed thing

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where you got the best guys

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from each of their disciplines.

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the Bones Brigade was the best team for a decade.

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They weren't just guys who dominated competition,

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but they were also skateboarders

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who invented some of the most revolutionary maneuvers

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out of that entire decade.

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When we got into skating, you did not become Rich or famous

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if you were good. No one did, no matter how good you were.

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It sounds terrible to say, and I don't want to say it this way,

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but our group of dudes pioneered

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the way to make money at skateboarding.

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I'm here in representation of thousands of other kids

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who worshipped those guys, as well, and whose lives that those guys changed.

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It was one of the raddest things in my life,

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and then it was just, like, it's over.

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It's done. I was devastated.

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It was very, very depressing.

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I knew it had to come to an end sometime,

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but nobody has held a team as long as Stacy has.

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I mean, nobody even half the time.

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He was the glue that held us all together.

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Ah-ha-ha, and here he is, folks. Come on in and say hi.

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Good to have you on the show. Thank you.

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May I ask your age? 20.

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20. Well, you're very young to be a world's champion, aren't you?

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I'm not sure.

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I had read about him and looked at his photos.

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They had been on my wall.

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And I had seen Stacy in a movie.

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He was the first guy to say, "You know what?

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This can be a profession.

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I can take this to the world and show people skateboarding."

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I'm trying to put so much energy in it, 'cause I get so stoked.

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I get so anxious, it's like this is it.

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It's like you feed off of it.

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I saw Stacy as one of the most famous skaters

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of the '70S. And then when he came to me and said,

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"I want to develop an amazing team."

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I went, "Wow, you want to make a team?"

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He had already started a very small company called Powell Skateboards,

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but his company wasn't really on the skateboarding radar yet.

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I'm a product designer and that's where my focus was,

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building a company that would provide great equipment for skateboarding.

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when George and I first started talking, I just liked him.

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I trusted him. He wasn't doing this to make a million dollars and retire,

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and I wasn't, either.

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It was my dream as a kid to get on the Zephyr team.

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It was the best thing that could happen to a kid

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in the surrounding communities. I got on the team.

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the Zephyr team was very aggressive,

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very surf-orientated. It was a group of guys compiled that made

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a huge impact on skateboarding,

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and Stacy, he was one of the guys.

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Right the moment that team tasted success,

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it blew apart.

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Kids looking into it from the magazines,

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it was over by the time the magazines showed it.

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And it was a crushing, crushing blow and defeat.

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And so, when I was a pro skater, I dreamed of having my own skateboard team.

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I wanted to create that magic.

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And I wanted it to last, though.

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I did not want it to end.

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I wanted to make something that would last.

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Anyone else that was trying to put together a team

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was just trying to steal riders that were already established.

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Usually, it was a fat man with some brand-new product,

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went to the skate park and was like, "hey, I got this new, brand new product.

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I'll give you 100 bucks to ride for it," you know?

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And took someone else that rode for someone else.

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I didn't want any skaters anyone even knew on my team.

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I wanted this to be no-name guys that no one had ever seen.

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And so I started picking up young amateurs

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that I knew I could develop.

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not only were they unknown,

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they were all picked as a very young crew.

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I mean, some were getting out of grade school sort of thing.

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Here I am, like 10 years old, and I'm this big.

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And these guys are two feet higher than me.

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I was probably about 14 years old.

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Then Stacy called me and said,

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"would you like to join the Bones Brigade?"

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I was like, "of course!" you know?

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I remember at that competition that he first saw me skate.

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I ended up getting fifth place in the competition.

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And I was thinking, "well, why does he want me? I got fifth."

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Ultimately what I was looking for is,

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I was looking for a kid who had fire in him.

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Like, the reason I put Tony Hawk on the team is

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I saw him walk out of a pool one day,

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dragging his board behind him.

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And he had such an incredible look of disappointment on his face.

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Disappointment at himself. And I went, "I want that kid."

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Probably one of the biggest turning points of my skating

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was one of the first times I ever figured out how to get to the top of the pool.

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I was on this gigantic skateboard,

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and I hung up and fell. Got knocked out.

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Knocked my front teeth out. I think I was 11 or 12.

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It was heavy. I mean, like, my--

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You know, I went ambulance. I didn't remember anything.

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And I knew right away

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that I was not going to quit doing this.

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I'm obsessed with this. I love it so much that,

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at harm, at risk of my own health,

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I'm going to keep doing this.

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Somewhere around between the ages of,

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I'd say 11 and 15,

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I had so many hospital visits, I had a doctor pull me aside

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to find out if my parents were beating me.

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Childhood is really a tough one for me.

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I don't know why. I must have blocked a lot of stuff out.

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But my dad left when I was 11 years old.

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And so it was just basically me and my mother.

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When I did get into skateboarding,

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my mom was always like, "watch out, Mijo. Watch out, Mijo.

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Be careful, Mijo." you know?

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It's like my whole life, is just ingrained in my head,

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like, "be careful, you're gonna get hurt."

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And I think I went against that.

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Caballero was the smallest skateboarder

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I've ever seen in my lifetime.

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And he was doing things he shouldn't have been able to do.

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I saw him skate, and I felt it in my heart.

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Just a bolt hit me and I went,

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"oh, my God, that kid is unbelievable!"

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to be asked to be on the same team as Steve Caballero

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was absolutely no question to me that I wanted to be there.

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I couldn't believe that I was seen in any sort of similar light to Steve Caballero.

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Getting on the Bones Brigade put a fire under me

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that I had to be this much better than I was at the time.

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Because my coach was considered one of the best of his day,

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and he only picks the best talent.

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I was a complete moron, I thought,

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to everybody else around.

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Kids thought we were the Addams family.

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They thought we were like the weird family up on top of the hill.

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I was in a bagpipe band at the age

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of 8 to 10,

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or even longer.

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I was very isolated. I was in when the streetlights come on.

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Couldn't watch TV. We watched the news and Lawrence Welk.

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Those were the two shows we could watch when we were kids.

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Everything else was the devil's.

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It was miserable

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until skateboarding came around.

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I wasn't very progressive orientated.

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And when I got on the team,

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I knew the rest of the guys were like,

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"Stacy,

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are you seriously telling us that you're bringing this dude on?

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Johnny joke? Gets last every contest? Ruins the contest?

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You're bringing that on to our thing?"

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You know, Tony's a prodigy. Caballero's a prodigy.

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Rodney's a prodigy.

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This is where it started with me.

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I was 12 or 13. 13 years old?

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Yeah.

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And at that time,

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I'd already won a lot of amateur contests.

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Big fish, small pond. Tiny pond.

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Mid-summer, my dad was annoyed.

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You know, he never wanted me to skate.

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And he goes, "Hey, you'll grow up to be a bum,

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and look at the culture."

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And he goes, "look, you've had every benefit.

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You inherited good genes. You're smart so don't waste it."

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He was like, "all right, end of the summer, you're growing up.

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Skating has to end as soon as school starts.

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That's it. Grow up."

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"Yes, sir."

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So I was skating every day, five hours a day.

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Just making the most of it.

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There was a skater that I was sponsoring at the time

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from Florida named Tim Scroggs.

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He called me and said, "you must see this 13-year-old kid in Florida

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named Rodney Mullen."

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And he encouraged me to bring Rodney out to this contest.

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We went to the contest and I remember seeing all these guys

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that I had looked up to in the magazines.

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And I was just a retarded kid in all the pads.

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For the rest of us, it was more like doing different wheelies

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or manual variations. Some handstand tricks.

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That was freestyle at the time.

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I remember, I did my run.

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I remember looking at the judges

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and they were looking at my board and not me.

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It was on a whole 'nother level.

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When I first seen him skate, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

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Most people stand on the deck and remain on the deck.

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Rodney looked the board and went, "I can ride every side of this.

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I can ride the nose standing up.

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I can ride the tail standing up.

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I can ride it upside down. I can ride on the edge."

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So I did my run. Well, they gave me scores that, whoa!

251
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They put me in first place!

252
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And I remember driving back, and I had this trophy, going,

253
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"I don't think I deserve this,

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but I did what I did."

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I did what I meant to do.

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And in my heart,

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there was closure.

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And I was saying goodbye

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and--

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And flew away.

261
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Then I didn't skate anymore.

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You stopped? Yeah.

263
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Yeah, what he says, goes.

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And I got a call, Skate News,

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some little-- wasn't even a magazine.

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Called from California.

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And I remember, "Rodney, Rodney, come inside!

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Long distance from California.

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They want to interview you."

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Just, "wow!"

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And that's where he said it.

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He goes, "hey,

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I guess you shouldn't stop now."

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Because all the guys lived in different cities

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and different states, what would happen is every time there was a contest,

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I would fly them into Los Angeles.

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And we would drive all over the state of California going to contests.

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Coming in from Florida and flying in and seeing the guys,

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and seeing what they would do, I would just look at them go.

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And just kind of be there, feeling so privileged,

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cruising around in the Volvo.

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It was like I found a home of misfits.

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There was clashes between us, at times.

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You know, spending too much time on the road.

285
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I mean, Lance and I butted heads many times.

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Mike was bummed I was on the team, and I knew it.

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And so I teased him.

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We did get in some little quarrels.

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But I liked being part of a team.

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I liked that feeling of being with a group of guys,

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competing against each other, but at the end of the competition,

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we're leaving as friends, as a team.

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I took care of them.

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I was the camp counselor.

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When we would go to these contests, I'd work with them.

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I'd help them design their runs.

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Everything was about competition then.

298
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That's it. I felt like I had to get into a competition mode.

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I had to get the tricks I knew that I could make every time.

300
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So it was more of a conservative style of skating for me.

301
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And then once the contest was over,

302
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I was at the park the next day, learning, like, three new tricks.

303
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I wasn't on that same level at all.

304
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That's what it felt like to me.

305
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I don't like mastering tricks.

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I don't like practicing them and having them down.

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As soon as I have them down, they feel wrong.

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They feel old. They feel worthless.

309
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And there's too much effort put in to win.

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you know, it was tough at times.

311
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I mean, I remember, you know, competing in Texas,

312
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throwing up behind the ramp.

313
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Go back up. "I'm good."

314
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Couple of kids, you know, saw what was going on.

315
00:21:11,046 --> 00:21:12,700
Why were you throwing up?

316
00:21:12,743 --> 00:21:15,181
I knew if I didn't do well in those contests,

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that I was gonna drift away

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in that jungle of Florida

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that I grew up in trying to skate.

320
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You know, it just wasn't happening.

321
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I was gonna follow my dream.

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I have--

323
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I have-- I have--

324
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36 trophies, or had.

325
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I have zero trophies because I threw them away or gave them away.

326
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Because I hate them.

327
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It was like a drug.

328
00:21:43,252 --> 00:21:45,211
I want to keep winning, so how can I keep winning?

329
00:21:45,254 --> 00:21:49,563
I love that it gave me this thrill to be successful.

330
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Whenever I entered a contest,

331
00:21:51,652 --> 00:21:54,524
I always went in thinking I'm going to win.

332
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Always. You have to. Otherwise, what's the fucking point?

333
00:21:58,354 --> 00:22:01,096
I think it was just always I had this thing where I wanted to seek the approval

334
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of the best of the industry.

335
00:22:03,185 --> 00:22:05,883
And the guys that were the best of the best,

336
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they got their picture in the magazines.

337
00:22:20,507 --> 00:22:23,118
These guys were amateurs, but people were looking at them going,

338
00:22:23,162 --> 00:22:25,164
"They're as good as the pros."

339
00:22:25,207 --> 00:22:26,991
There were some just incredible skateboarders.

340
00:22:27,035 --> 00:22:28,906
The talent was undeniable, and that's why I shot them.

341
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:31,344
It didn't matter whether they were amateurs or not.

342
00:22:31,387 --> 00:22:32,910
I'm not going to shoot a picture of some fucking idiot who can't even ride,

343
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just because he's getting a lot of money.

344
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We dominated the magazines,

345
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not on anything but our sheer talent.

346
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:42,355
These little guys on my team, these no-names,

347
00:22:42,398 --> 00:22:45,749
were making a gigantic splash in skateboarding.

348
00:22:45,793 --> 00:22:48,012
'Cause no one had ever seen them before,

349
00:22:48,056 --> 00:22:49,753
and no one had ever seen the moves the that they were doing.

350
00:22:49,797 --> 00:22:52,669
I mean, Alan Gelfand invented the "Ollie"

351
00:22:52,713 --> 00:22:54,018
when he was an amateur.

352
00:22:54,062 --> 00:22:56,369
He invents the trick of the century

353
00:22:56,412 --> 00:22:57,587
when he was an amateur.

354
00:23:02,766 --> 00:23:05,682
People didn't understand the Ollie. They thought it was trick photography.

355
00:23:05,726 --> 00:23:08,207
When you hear about this new hot kid

356
00:23:08,250 --> 00:23:11,253
that had this interesting trick that no one even heard of before,

357
00:23:11,297 --> 00:23:14,474
you're gonna be skeptical, and then you see this guy Alan Gelfand,

358
00:23:14,517 --> 00:23:17,738
this little Jewish kid from Hollywood, Florida.

359
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I mean, when we saw the Ollie, it was insane.

360
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,703
I was like, "yo, look at that kid.

361
00:23:26,747 --> 00:23:30,142
He's flying in the air without even touching his board."

362
00:23:38,498 --> 00:23:40,282
Once I saw it, that was it, I had to learn it.

363
00:23:40,326 --> 00:23:42,415
And then, where do we go from there?

364
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I had reached a point in my career

365
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where I had learned every single trick that was ever invented.

366
00:23:48,334 --> 00:23:50,423
And then you start thinking like, "what else can you do?"

367
00:23:50,466 --> 00:23:54,078
Caballero, at 16 years of age, invents the Caballerial.

368
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He takes what Alan Gelfand's done, the Ollie,

369
00:23:56,820 --> 00:23:59,388
and now he does it in the air, 360 Ollie.

370
00:24:09,616 --> 00:24:13,576
When he did the Caballerial, I'm still today, like, blown away,

371
00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:15,143
because I still can't do it.

372
00:24:17,841 --> 00:24:20,670
For me, Caballerials were a game changers,

373
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because he made you realize you can do difficult spinning maneuvers

374
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,590
or technical maneuvers without grabbing your board.

375
00:24:36,773 --> 00:24:38,645
Tony, you know,

376
00:24:38,688 --> 00:24:41,169
to see him develop was really something.

377
00:24:41,213 --> 00:24:43,998
He had all these little, progressive little flip tricks and spins.

378
00:24:44,041 --> 00:24:48,394
And you could tell he was, like, a different type of skateboarder.

379
00:24:48,437 --> 00:24:50,265
More, like, technical.

380
00:24:50,309 --> 00:24:54,182
He got made fun of a lot because of the tricks he did.

381
00:24:54,226 --> 00:24:57,925
he was doing things that at the time people didn't understand.

382
00:24:57,968 --> 00:25:01,972
And so they labeled what he did as circus tricks.

383
00:25:02,016 --> 00:25:05,193
Yeah, I didn't like him, you know? I didn't like his style.

384
00:25:05,237 --> 00:25:07,891
He was just an annoying little fucking kid

385
00:25:07,935 --> 00:25:10,981
with way too many pads on.

386
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:20,164
And it wasn't like he was this famous,

387
00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:23,211
established guy who could go, "he's gonna have a couple haters."

388
00:25:23,255 --> 00:25:25,039
It was like, here's a guy on the up and up,

389
00:25:25,082 --> 00:25:27,302
and his peers are smacking him down already.

390
00:25:27,346 --> 00:25:29,609
It was a bummer that these guys

391
00:25:29,652 --> 00:25:32,612
I looked up to were like, "he's kind of a joke."

392
00:25:32,655 --> 00:25:34,483
He had a lot of people against him.

393
00:25:34,527 --> 00:25:35,876
And he had a lot of people that didn't like him

394
00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:37,356
because his father was Frank Hawk.

395
00:25:37,399 --> 00:25:39,358
I'm with Frank Hawk.

396
00:25:39,401 --> 00:25:41,403
He's the head of the National Skateboard Association.

397
00:25:41,447 --> 00:25:43,840
Frank, what's up with the NSA this year?

398
00:25:43,884 --> 00:25:47,017
Not only was his dad organizing the contests, his mom was the timekeeper.

399
00:25:47,061 --> 00:25:49,193
People would say a lot of things behind my back

400
00:25:49,237 --> 00:25:51,848
about I got more practice.

401
00:25:51,892 --> 00:25:54,198
You know, the parks I'm good at

402
00:25:54,242 --> 00:25:57,593
are the ones that have the competitions.

403
00:25:57,637 --> 00:26:00,117
"He chose the judges."

404
00:26:00,161 --> 00:26:02,685
And it was hard to deal with, but at the same time,

405
00:26:02,729 --> 00:26:05,688
it wasn't so discouraging that I was gonna quit.

406
00:26:05,732 --> 00:26:08,387
If anything, it got me fired up to really--

407
00:26:08,430 --> 00:26:09,997
It was almost like I just had to prove them wrong.

408
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,260
That was my goal at that time,

409
00:26:12,304 --> 00:26:15,437
was like, "I'm gonna keep doing this until you guys appreciate it."

410
00:26:15,481 --> 00:26:17,439
and that's Tony Hawk.

411
00:26:17,483 --> 00:26:19,702
A little trick music here...

412
00:26:19,746 --> 00:26:22,183
I never even noticed

413
00:26:22,226 --> 00:26:24,316
that he was even gonna be a threat

414
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,755
to anything till I won two of the Whittiers,

415
00:26:28,798 --> 00:26:31,192
and then I needed beer money.

416
00:26:31,235 --> 00:26:32,889
And I figured--

417
00:26:32,933 --> 00:26:35,936
I didn't think I could win again,

418
00:26:35,979 --> 00:26:37,807
'cause I wasn't skating that much,

419
00:26:37,851 --> 00:26:39,679
but I knew I could get in the top five.

420
00:26:39,722 --> 00:26:42,246
And that's when I really noticed that Hawk was--

421
00:26:42,290 --> 00:26:45,728
He was doing some shit that was--

422
00:26:45,772 --> 00:26:47,295
Didn't make any sense to me.

423
00:27:08,447 --> 00:27:12,015
I was getting stronger, just sheerly from skating all the time.

424
00:27:12,059 --> 00:27:13,887
But I was also getting stronger 'cause I was going through puberty.

425
00:27:13,930 --> 00:27:16,324
I was getting taller.

426
00:27:16,368 --> 00:27:19,240
You know, a 10-foot bowl didn't look so intimidating anymore,

427
00:27:19,283 --> 00:27:22,156
'cause suddenly I was over half that height.

428
00:27:22,199 --> 00:27:24,680
And all of a sudden it was like, "oh, I've got this."

429
00:27:24,724 --> 00:27:29,076
When they started to get names for themselves in the sport,

430
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,905
I knew I had to figure out a way to market and advertise them

431
00:27:31,948 --> 00:27:33,950
in a unique way.

432
00:27:33,994 --> 00:27:36,344
That's when Craig Stecyk comes into the picture.

433
00:27:36,388 --> 00:27:39,739
Craig Stecyk's a writer, a photographer, and he's a conceptual artist.

434
00:27:39,782 --> 00:27:42,742
But the unusual thing about Craig is,

435
00:27:42,785 --> 00:27:45,005
Craig was a political pyrotechnician.

436
00:27:49,009 --> 00:27:51,098
I would love to be able to tell you I'm wearing women's underwear.

437
00:27:51,141 --> 00:27:53,927
And I don't know why I'm wearing women's underwear, but I'm not.

438
00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:58,497
But I'd like to tell you I was wearing women's underwear, and believe that I was.

439
00:28:04,241 --> 00:28:06,592
Everybody was like, "who is that weirdo?"

440
00:28:06,635 --> 00:28:08,637
When you first meet Craig, you're just like,

441
00:28:08,681 --> 00:28:11,814
this dude pops out, spits out some weird fortune cookie thing

442
00:28:11,858 --> 00:28:14,469
that makes no sense, recedes back in there.

443
00:28:14,513 --> 00:28:16,079
His sentences were so fragmented.

444
00:28:16,123 --> 00:28:17,994
Everything he was saying, like a paragraph,

445
00:28:18,038 --> 00:28:20,475
meant 60 different things.

446
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:22,346
And you had to decipher, like, "okay, what the fuck

447
00:28:22,390 --> 00:28:24,305
is Stecyk talking about right now?"

448
00:28:24,348 --> 00:28:28,614
They're more alike than two absolutely dissimilar people

449
00:28:28,657 --> 00:28:31,355
that aren't like anybody on Earth could be.

450
00:28:31,399 --> 00:28:33,314
But they're completely different people.

451
00:28:33,357 --> 00:28:35,229
You know, I can't imagine

452
00:28:35,272 --> 00:28:38,537
that people will watch this movie

453
00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:40,756
and see Craig on the screen for a few moments

454
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,280
and not realize that it will probably be 10 hours worth of interviews

455
00:28:43,324 --> 00:28:45,457
before he answers each question.

456
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:47,981
Uh, you know, no, I mean, I don't know.

457
00:28:48,024 --> 00:28:50,810
I had-- you know, I mean, I--

458
00:28:54,204 --> 00:28:56,293
You know, I mean, it's not even,

459
00:28:56,337 --> 00:28:58,426
there's not anything particularly interes--

460
00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:02,212
I get up and I draw and I, you know, I write dumb songs

461
00:29:02,256 --> 00:29:04,998
and stutter and mumble

462
00:29:05,041 --> 00:29:08,175
my way through life.

463
00:29:08,218 --> 00:29:12,179
Stacy said, "I'm going to bring this guy Craig Stecyk in.

464
00:29:12,222 --> 00:29:13,746
He's gonna art direct."

465
00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:15,617
I wasn't sure what art directing was,

466
00:29:15,661 --> 00:29:18,881
but Craig's idea of being at this photo shoot was

467
00:29:18,925 --> 00:29:21,797
to produce a bottle of Mezcal

468
00:29:21,841 --> 00:29:23,538
with a worm in it,

469
00:29:23,582 --> 00:29:27,020
and drink the entire bottle during the photo shoot.

470
00:29:27,063 --> 00:29:31,024
And so Craig's in the back making mystical comments.

471
00:29:31,067 --> 00:29:35,158
I'm going like, "do we need this? Is he really adding to this?"

472
00:29:35,202 --> 00:29:38,379
Stecyk and I are spit-balling ideas one day.

473
00:29:38,422 --> 00:29:40,120
I'm telling him, I'm sitting here telling him,

474
00:29:40,163 --> 00:29:43,166
I go, "I don't want to call this a team.

475
00:29:43,210 --> 00:29:46,692
And I don't want the word 'skateboarding' in the name of it."

476
00:29:46,735 --> 00:29:48,563
Craig looks at me and he goes, "Bones Brigade."

477
00:30:00,401 --> 00:30:03,665
Well, at first, I thought you guys were crazy.

478
00:30:03,709 --> 00:30:06,929
I remember going to Stecyk's house and we were going to shoot an ad.

479
00:30:06,973 --> 00:30:09,018
"What do we need to do? Are we going to skate something?"

480
00:30:09,062 --> 00:30:12,108
And we thought, "oh, right, we're gonna have a cool skate picture."

481
00:30:12,152 --> 00:30:13,675
I remember like, "Oh, stand over here

482
00:30:13,719 --> 00:30:17,461
next to this taillight of a Cadillac."

483
00:30:17,505 --> 00:30:20,508
I just sit there, and I'm like, "and that's gonna be the ad?"

484
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:28,864
Craig wanted to burn a car.

485
00:30:28,908 --> 00:30:33,869
And so George's parents lived in a very upscale area.

486
00:30:33,913 --> 00:30:36,611
And I don't know why we ended up doing it in front of his mother and father's house,

487
00:30:36,655 --> 00:30:40,615
but we cut a Cadillac in half

488
00:30:40,659 --> 00:30:42,530
and we lit the car on fire.

489
00:30:42,574 --> 00:30:44,401
Yeah, I remember that 'cause the police came.

490
00:30:44,445 --> 00:30:46,621
I looked, pointed at the woman that owned the house and said,

491
00:30:46,665 --> 00:30:49,276
"It's her car. We're just trying to put the fire out, officer."

492
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:52,453
I mean, George's parents are looking at him going, "what business are you in?

493
00:30:52,496 --> 00:30:56,065
What are you doing? Why would you do this in front of our house?"

494
00:30:58,372 --> 00:31:00,504
What?! What?!

495
00:31:00,548 --> 00:31:02,245
This is a skateboard ad?

496
00:31:02,289 --> 00:31:04,683
"I don't understand this."

497
00:31:04,726 --> 00:31:08,425
I mean, skateboarding ads were these generic,

498
00:31:08,469 --> 00:31:11,167
boring product shots.

499
00:31:11,211 --> 00:31:14,736
I wanted something that was not skateboarding.

500
00:31:14,780 --> 00:31:17,478
And Craig was vehemently against ever,

501
00:31:17,521 --> 00:31:21,090
ever putting a skateboarding picture in an ad.

502
00:31:21,134 --> 00:31:25,225
His philosophy was let the magazines show skateboarding.

503
00:31:25,268 --> 00:31:27,575
We show ideas and images.

504
00:31:44,505 --> 00:31:46,812
You look at some of those early ads, they have nothing--

505
00:31:46,855 --> 00:31:48,422
Not only do they not have anything to do with skating,

506
00:31:48,465 --> 00:31:51,686
they were like just-- it's wtf.

507
00:31:51,730 --> 00:31:54,602
You're just look at it half the time like, "'what the fuck is this'

508
00:31:54,646 --> 00:31:57,387
sort of thing." I remember when I talked to Tony and Cab and stuff,

509
00:31:57,431 --> 00:32:00,129
they would be like, "can't we just have a skating shot in our ad and stuff?"

510
00:32:00,173 --> 00:32:01,435
Like, they did not get it.

511
00:32:01,478 --> 00:32:03,089
That was one of my advantages.

512
00:32:03,132 --> 00:32:05,874
We'd show up for an advertising shoot

513
00:32:05,918 --> 00:32:07,659
at Craig's place, and they were like,

514
00:32:07,702 --> 00:32:11,488
"Cab, can you hold this dead dog for an ad?"

515
00:32:11,532 --> 00:32:13,316
And he was like, "I don't want to do it." "I'll do it."

516
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,710
And I got all the--

517
00:32:15,754 --> 00:32:19,322
I was Mikey that got all the cool stuff that they thought was lame.

518
00:32:26,373 --> 00:32:29,332
Stacy said, "we're gonna paint your face

519
00:32:29,376 --> 00:32:31,813
to look like your graphic."

520
00:32:31,857 --> 00:32:34,120
And I was like, "I don't see how that's gonna work."

521
00:32:41,693 --> 00:32:44,217
and when you saw the ads, they never had an ad like,

522
00:32:44,260 --> 00:32:47,002
"Rodney Mullen, two first place trophies." never.

523
00:32:47,046 --> 00:32:49,788
The Bones Brigade had that ad with a car burning

524
00:32:49,831 --> 00:32:51,877
and there's quote from another rider saying

525
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,792
why he didn't want to ride for that company.

526
00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:11,505
New kids, new product, new advertising.

527
00:33:11,548 --> 00:33:14,073
And people knew who they were because a full-page ad

528
00:33:14,116 --> 00:33:17,380
in Skateboarder was like, "okay, you've arrived. This is who you are."

529
00:33:17,424 --> 00:33:20,035
We were starting to make a splash and moving up really fast.

530
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,168
In about two and a half years,

531
00:33:22,211 --> 00:33:25,911
we grow probably 50%.

532
00:33:25,954 --> 00:33:29,653
But then what happened is,

533
00:33:29,697 --> 00:33:31,873
skateboarding started to dive.

534
00:33:42,841 --> 00:33:45,452
It was just so sudden.

535
00:33:45,495 --> 00:33:48,150
Not only the fact that monetarily the bottom fell out,

536
00:33:48,194 --> 00:33:50,979
but the popularity on the mainstream level

537
00:33:51,023 --> 00:33:53,634
was all of a sudden yanked out from underneath us.

538
00:33:53,677 --> 00:33:56,332
The parks were closing. The shops were closing.

539
00:33:56,376 --> 00:34:00,510
And by 1982, Skateboarder magazine,

540
00:34:00,554 --> 00:34:03,600
which was the Bible of our industry,

541
00:34:03,644 --> 00:34:05,515
it went out of business.

542
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:08,083
Instantly when skateboarding fell apart,

543
00:34:08,127 --> 00:34:10,956
all the dudes that we loved and thought were amazing were gone.

544
00:34:10,999 --> 00:34:14,524
All of the pros in the '70s couldn't make money anymore,

545
00:34:14,568 --> 00:34:18,267
and so they were deserting the sport.

546
00:34:18,311 --> 00:34:21,314
You're world champion one day, and then you're like,

547
00:34:21,357 --> 00:34:24,360
"Well, now what are you going to do with your life?"

548
00:34:24,404 --> 00:34:27,363
I went back to school because I didn't know what I was gonna do for a living.

549
00:34:27,407 --> 00:34:29,583
A lot of cats couldn't deal with it, I don't think

550
00:34:29,626 --> 00:34:31,454
and kind of went off,

551
00:34:31,498 --> 00:34:34,762
did drugs, sold drugs.

552
00:34:34,806 --> 00:34:36,982
I was scrambling. I was living in a car.

553
00:34:37,025 --> 00:34:41,987
I had to do a jewel heist to get to have a place to live at one point.

554
00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:44,641
And I was, you know, on this side of the tracks.

555
00:34:44,685 --> 00:34:48,297
I'm supposedly some great skateboarder,

556
00:34:48,341 --> 00:34:51,257
and over here I don't know where the fuck

557
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,389
I'm gonna get my next meal.

558
00:34:53,433 --> 00:34:55,522
everyone was getting hit by it, so it was just like,

559
00:34:55,565 --> 00:34:59,613
"All right, it's obvious that skateboarding is dead."

560
00:34:59,656 --> 00:35:03,704
But the question is more like,

561
00:35:03,747 --> 00:35:05,140
"Why did it collapse?"

562
00:35:08,927 --> 00:35:12,582
99% of the skate parks that were designed were designed improperly

563
00:35:12,626 --> 00:35:15,542
because nobody knew how to make them yet.

564
00:35:15,585 --> 00:35:17,196
The physics was wrong.

565
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,547
The curves were wrong. The distances were wrong.

566
00:35:20,590 --> 00:35:23,463
Was there ever a skate park design that was as good

567
00:35:23,506 --> 00:35:25,508
as an average sewer or a curb? No.

568
00:35:25,552 --> 00:35:27,467
These parks didn't work,

569
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:29,948
and they closed across the board.

570
00:35:29,991 --> 00:35:33,560
And skateboarders got turned off to skateboarding because of it.

571
00:35:33,603 --> 00:35:37,999
We call those the dark ages, because skateboarding virtually disappeared.

572
00:35:38,043 --> 00:35:40,741
I was so young that all I knew

573
00:35:40,784 --> 00:35:42,786
was that my friends had quit skating,

574
00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:46,051
all skate parks were closing, but I wasn't gonna quit.

575
00:35:46,094 --> 00:35:48,792
I still had a skateboard. That's all I needed.

576
00:35:54,581 --> 00:35:57,323
With the loss of the skate parks and a terrain

577
00:35:57,366 --> 00:36:01,370
that kind of dictated where and what you had to do, in a way,

578
00:36:01,414 --> 00:36:04,504
with those gone, it took skateboarding to another era.

579
00:36:07,637 --> 00:36:11,554
I pleaded with my dad's boss who owned a sod company.

580
00:36:11,598 --> 00:36:13,252
"Can I just build a ramp here?"

581
00:36:13,295 --> 00:36:15,341
He finally said, "Yeah, go ahead, Mike."

582
00:36:15,384 --> 00:36:18,170
People started building half-pipes out of necessity.

583
00:36:18,213 --> 00:36:21,825
But very few ever lasted, you know? Every once in a while,

584
00:36:21,869 --> 00:36:23,915
another one would pop up, and you'd have to hit it while you could

585
00:36:23,958 --> 00:36:26,047
because the neighbors were gonna complain and tear it down.

586
00:36:26,091 --> 00:36:28,702
And that was a great thing. We'd seek everything out.

587
00:36:28,745 --> 00:36:31,835
We'd drive three hours to go skate some shitty ramp in some kid's backyard.

588
00:36:43,325 --> 00:36:46,938
The ramps and the backyard facilities really became,

589
00:36:46,981 --> 00:36:49,549
in a certain way, like missions.

590
00:36:49,592 --> 00:36:51,899
And they were situated around the country and around the state.

591
00:36:51,943 --> 00:36:54,902
And guys would come together like a religion.

592
00:36:54,946 --> 00:36:56,817
They were at the service of the vert.

593
00:37:04,738 --> 00:37:06,783
as all this was going on,

594
00:37:06,827 --> 00:37:08,437
Craig and I would brainstorm with Fausto Vitello.

595
00:37:08,481 --> 00:37:11,397
Fausto Vitello owned independent trucks.

596
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,834
And we decided, "let's have contests.

597
00:37:13,877 --> 00:37:16,880
Let's have 'professional contests'

598
00:37:16,924 --> 00:37:18,795
where kids skateboard."

599
00:37:22,669 --> 00:37:25,498
I felt like, "where the fuck are we going?"

600
00:37:25,541 --> 00:37:28,457
I couldn't tell you, to this day, where the hell we drove to get to this contest.

601
00:37:28,501 --> 00:37:30,938
All of a sudden, there's a ramp in the middle

602
00:37:30,982 --> 00:37:33,462
of this dust bowl of a parking lot.

603
00:37:41,470 --> 00:37:44,778
We held these contests all over the country.

604
00:37:44,821 --> 00:37:48,956
This kid, Rich Flowerday in Nebraska, his parents said,

605
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,698
"sure, bring the California kids to us. Have an event."

606
00:37:51,741 --> 00:37:54,788
I'm not sure they were expecting what they got.

607
00:38:10,064 --> 00:38:11,587
All these guys were here from out of town,

608
00:38:11,631 --> 00:38:14,068
and they were cool. It was just like going to

609
00:38:14,112 --> 00:38:16,331
a big punk rock show.

610
00:38:16,375 --> 00:38:19,943
No authority. Complete chaos of 15-, 16-

611
00:38:19,987 --> 00:38:22,729
and 17-year-olders doing whatever they want, however they want.

612
00:38:22,772 --> 00:38:25,471
And we'd be drinking beers and just hanging out,

613
00:38:25,514 --> 00:38:27,081
and everybody's on the decks and sitting on the roof.

614
00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:28,561
Be careful of that gutter, Bob.

615
00:38:28,604 --> 00:38:30,476
Be careful.

616
00:38:39,659 --> 00:38:44,011
I mean, I remember looking for anyone in charge.

617
00:38:44,055 --> 00:38:47,058
"Am I first? Is he going first? What's going on?"

618
00:38:47,101 --> 00:38:49,060
And there'd just be one guy with a sheet of paper.

619
00:38:49,103 --> 00:38:51,584
Kevin Thatcher. It was like, "yeah, yeah,

620
00:38:51,627 --> 00:38:53,673
we're gonna do something pretty soon."

621
00:38:53,716 --> 00:38:56,284
The environment of skateboard contests prior to that

622
00:38:56,328 --> 00:38:59,026
was so controlled. Everything was timed.

623
00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:02,029
But then it went into these backyards where we were like,

624
00:39:02,073 --> 00:39:04,423
"we own this. We are this,

625
00:39:04,466 --> 00:39:06,642
and no one can tell us what to do here."

626
00:39:12,431 --> 00:39:15,477
people were skating just for skating's sake.

627
00:39:15,521 --> 00:39:19,351
There was no future for a professional skateboarder.

628
00:39:19,394 --> 00:39:21,744
All of our companies were making so little money.

629
00:39:21,788 --> 00:39:24,356
Tony Hawk got a royalty check for one of his boards

630
00:39:24,399 --> 00:39:27,663
for 85 cents from us.

631
00:39:27,707 --> 00:39:31,276
The first prize money for a pro contest was $150,

632
00:39:31,319 --> 00:39:33,843
but I was 14-years-old.

633
00:39:33,887 --> 00:39:36,194
150 bucks-- sign me up!

634
00:39:36,237 --> 00:39:38,587
Whoo! I'm cashing in.

635
00:39:38,631 --> 00:39:41,590
You know, I'm gonna buy a moped.

636
00:39:44,506 --> 00:39:46,508
It was such an intoxicating place to be

637
00:39:46,552 --> 00:39:48,728
that these backyard ramp events

638
00:39:48,771 --> 00:39:51,122
started growing the sport again.

639
00:40:01,219 --> 00:40:04,961
My general feeling is that skateboarding

640
00:40:05,005 --> 00:40:07,660
has nothing to do with competition or sport.

641
00:40:07,703 --> 00:40:09,618
if it doesn't have anything to do with sport,

642
00:40:09,662 --> 00:40:11,620
then what does it have to do with?

643
00:40:11,664 --> 00:40:14,362
It has to do with trying

644
00:40:14,406 --> 00:40:17,887
to stay as immature as you can for the rest of your life.

645
00:40:17,931 --> 00:40:20,151
Pretty much.

646
00:40:20,194 --> 00:40:23,719
You know, it's kind of this lame thing to say,

647
00:40:23,763 --> 00:40:25,504
but it really is.

648
00:40:25,547 --> 00:40:27,984
That's what I think.

649
00:40:28,028 --> 00:40:30,987
You don't mean "Irresponsible"? Nope. Not irresponsible.

650
00:40:31,031 --> 00:40:32,902
I probably was more responsible than any of them.

651
00:40:32,946 --> 00:40:36,167
I had a lot more responsibilities than them.

652
00:40:36,210 --> 00:40:39,518
Which is probably another reason why I went into it, being a mental case.

653
00:40:39,561 --> 00:40:41,215
You know?

654
00:40:42,999 --> 00:40:47,134
Lance was that classic comedian guy.

655
00:40:47,178 --> 00:40:50,833
He's the classic comedian that has that very dark side.

656
00:40:50,877 --> 00:40:55,229
There was a contest in Alabama where Lance,

657
00:40:55,273 --> 00:40:57,362
in the middle of his run, he just got so worked up,

658
00:40:57,405 --> 00:40:59,712
he took his board and he threw it at the crowd.

659
00:40:59,755 --> 00:41:01,453
And he didn't do it to hit somebody.

660
00:41:01,496 --> 00:41:03,498
I don't know what he did it for.

661
00:41:03,542 --> 00:41:06,675
But it ended up, like, tagging somebody.

662
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,330
And this guy, at the end of the contest, walked right up to him and just...

663
00:41:09,374 --> 00:41:11,202
Knocked Lance over.

664
00:41:11,245 --> 00:41:13,726
Yeah, but I didn't think it was that big of an outbreak.

665
00:41:13,769 --> 00:41:16,119
That was a small outbreak.

666
00:41:16,163 --> 00:41:18,905
That was a very small outbreak.

667
00:41:18,948 --> 00:41:21,124
There's a lot more that I had outbreaks.

668
00:41:21,168 --> 00:41:24,258
I remember being so pissed at Del Mar that I just jumped into the pool.

669
00:41:24,302 --> 00:41:27,957
Like, I was so mad,

670
00:41:28,001 --> 00:41:30,830
and I was a baby.

671
00:41:30,873 --> 00:41:32,701
I'm a vindictive Person.

672
00:41:32,745 --> 00:41:35,400
I'm a selfish Person.

673
00:41:35,443 --> 00:41:39,012
I'm a total goofball.

674
00:41:39,055 --> 00:41:41,406
Almost all my motivation is from fear.

675
00:41:41,449 --> 00:41:45,758
And those are my good things.

676
00:41:45,801 --> 00:41:47,934
Those are the bad traits in me,

677
00:41:47,977 --> 00:41:50,153
but those are the driving places,

678
00:41:50,197 --> 00:41:52,895
because I'm like, I am gonna have fun

679
00:41:52,939 --> 00:41:57,291
and I'm gonna do what I want, even if I have to be miserable doing it.

680
00:41:57,335 --> 00:41:58,727
I dislike it in myself,

681
00:41:58,771 --> 00:42:01,208
but I don't know any other way.

682
00:42:01,252 --> 00:42:05,778
And that stems from being the kid

683
00:42:05,821 --> 00:42:08,041
that was not good at anything.

684
00:42:08,084 --> 00:42:12,175
No one came along and said, "hey, I believe in you.

685
00:42:12,219 --> 00:42:14,308
I think you're the guy. I think you're good."

686
00:42:20,488 --> 00:42:22,577
Stacy had his group of dudes

687
00:42:22,621 --> 00:42:24,449
and I saw how he interacted with them.

688
00:42:24,492 --> 00:42:26,842
It seemed like he expected those things out of those guys.

689
00:42:26,886 --> 00:42:29,323
And actually, I felt like he never expected that out of me.

690
00:42:29,367 --> 00:42:31,325
I originally put Lance on the team

691
00:42:31,369 --> 00:42:34,720
with the idea that he would, like, be my assistant some day.

692
00:42:34,763 --> 00:42:36,722
As kind of assistant team manager.

693
00:42:36,765 --> 00:42:39,246
He was a good skater,

694
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:42,336
but I didn't expect him to become a great skater.

695
00:42:42,380 --> 00:42:45,165
I think the idea of grooming me to do what he did

696
00:42:45,208 --> 00:42:48,690
came up really quickly. My mom asked Stacy, like,

697
00:42:48,734 --> 00:42:52,085
"How could Lance still be involved in skateboarding?

698
00:42:52,128 --> 00:42:53,782
He wants to do what you did."

699
00:42:53,826 --> 00:42:55,871
So, yeah, it was on the radar, for sure.

700
00:42:55,915 --> 00:42:58,178
I always knew that.

701
00:42:58,221 --> 00:43:01,573
At the same time, too, I was like under a bunch of pressures

702
00:43:01,616 --> 00:43:04,706
'cause I was trying to raise a family and make a living.

703
00:43:11,844 --> 00:43:14,368
All of a sudden, he's a father.

704
00:43:14,412 --> 00:43:17,240
He's a husband, and he's got to provide for them

705
00:43:17,284 --> 00:43:20,505
and make a place for them to live, and he's still a kid.

706
00:43:20,548 --> 00:43:23,334
I worked jobs.

707
00:43:23,377 --> 00:43:26,424
I worked a union job. I silk-screened boards.

708
00:43:26,467 --> 00:43:28,121
I did all this stuff while I was pro, to be pro.

709
00:43:28,164 --> 00:43:30,297
And I was jealous. These dudes were skateboarding.

710
00:43:30,341 --> 00:43:31,777
They were skateboarders.

711
00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:33,866
They were the number one dudes.

712
00:43:33,909 --> 00:43:36,390
And I was working jobs so I could be a skateboarder.

713
00:43:36,434 --> 00:43:39,698
And I was thought of as a second rate skateboarder

714
00:43:39,741 --> 00:43:42,657
and a clown and a blah-blah-blah.

715
00:43:42,701 --> 00:43:44,833
And so it was that struggle of how do

716
00:43:44,877 --> 00:43:48,010
I join this world of winning

717
00:43:48,054 --> 00:43:50,883
and being the best and being progressive?

718
00:43:50,926 --> 00:43:54,277
And when you guys gave me the opportunity to be in that first video,

719
00:43:54,321 --> 00:43:55,888
it clicked.

720
00:44:20,478 --> 00:44:24,220
We dreamt up the idea of let's make a skateboarding video.

721
00:44:24,264 --> 00:44:27,136
You know, an hour-long homemade movie of the Bones Brigade.

722
00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:30,662
And so I went to Craig and I said, "do you want to do this?"

723
00:44:30,705 --> 00:44:34,361
And I could make movies all day long for virtually no money.

724
00:44:34,405 --> 00:44:37,451
That just seemed like a logical thing to do.

725
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,852
He's gonna skim along the top and he's gonna jump from here down.

726
00:44:46,895 --> 00:44:49,898
Okay, okay, I'm rolling.

727
00:44:49,942 --> 00:44:51,770
Okay, man. Clear away, Stacy!

728
00:44:51,813 --> 00:44:55,861
I can't. I have to be here to get catch his-- okay.

729
00:44:55,904 --> 00:45:00,213
People were just getting the first videocassette recorders in their homes.

730
00:45:00,256 --> 00:45:02,476
Up till then, the only voice of skateboarding

731
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,784
were the magazines. You didn't see stuff in action.

732
00:45:11,746 --> 00:45:14,662
Where we made the first video thinking,

733
00:45:14,706 --> 00:45:16,490
you know, we'll probably sell 300.

734
00:45:16,534 --> 00:45:18,492
We sold, I think, 30,000.

735
00:45:18,536 --> 00:45:22,017
It was unbelievable. They became manifestos.

736
00:45:28,633 --> 00:45:32,419
If it would have just been Rodney Mullen and Steve Caballero

737
00:45:32,463 --> 00:45:34,334
and Tony Hawk in the video,

738
00:45:34,377 --> 00:45:38,686
I might have went, "damn, skating is tough! It's hard.

739
00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:40,514
I'll never be that good."

740
00:45:40,558 --> 00:45:44,300
But Lance Mountain presented skating as something accessible.

741
00:45:52,918 --> 00:45:55,529
That looked fun, the way he was doing it.

742
00:45:55,573 --> 00:45:59,402
And I could see myself doing the kinds of things he was doing.

743
00:45:59,446 --> 00:46:03,145
Like, Lance would let you say it's okay to be a crappy skater.

744
00:46:03,189 --> 00:46:04,843
And I don't mean Lance was a crappy skater.

745
00:46:04,886 --> 00:46:06,497
But you can love skating, and that's enough.

746
00:46:13,504 --> 00:46:16,594
But it was like, "wait a minute, you live by Stacy?

747
00:46:16,637 --> 00:46:20,336
I live 3,000 miles away. Why do you get to go over to his house and"--

748
00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:22,034
You know, he's the star of Bones Brigade.

749
00:46:22,077 --> 00:46:25,559
You know, it was kind of tough for me to see that.

750
00:46:25,603 --> 00:46:29,520
Most of the skaters were like, "man, you're getting twice as much coverage as me."

751
00:46:29,563 --> 00:46:33,480
And I was thinking like, "but it's not coverage based on I'm being good.

752
00:46:33,524 --> 00:46:36,178
It's like, it was dorking around. It was goofing around."

753
00:46:36,222 --> 00:46:38,572
That's kind of what I thought. So there's that weird dynamic.

754
00:46:38,616 --> 00:46:42,228
But because of that, that changed everything for me.

755
00:46:42,271 --> 00:46:43,795
And all of a sudden, I was gonna have a board.

756
00:46:43,838 --> 00:46:46,580
Yeahhhhhhh!!!

757
00:46:46,624 --> 00:46:49,757
That's when Lance became a star.

758
00:46:51,411 --> 00:46:53,544
By saying, "I'll do this."

759
00:46:53,587 --> 00:46:56,242
I did understand that I had a different thing to offer.

760
00:46:56,285 --> 00:46:59,637
You know? Skateboarding's still just playing around

761
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,379
and can't be all just being good.

762
00:47:17,002 --> 00:47:20,788
My mom, she was a concert pianist

763
00:47:20,832 --> 00:47:24,792
when she was a little kid. And I grew up around music, classical music.

764
00:47:24,836 --> 00:47:29,275
So I grew up hearing it and reading about these guys, these great composers.

765
00:47:29,318 --> 00:47:33,105
And Beethoven's music always struck me. Always.

766
00:47:33,148 --> 00:47:35,411
He had this fire, you know?

767
00:47:43,158 --> 00:47:47,119
I remember reading the story of him going deaf

768
00:47:47,162 --> 00:47:49,643
and pushing himself into self-isolation.

769
00:47:49,687 --> 00:47:52,690
And that's where he became himself.

770
00:47:52,733 --> 00:47:55,736
And to me, that was, "wow!

771
00:47:55,780 --> 00:48:00,175
Don't let anything poison your individuality."

772
00:48:00,219 --> 00:48:02,874
Be away, break away,

773
00:48:02,917 --> 00:48:04,615
and look in, not outward.

774
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:17,932
What makes us all do what we do at a high level

775
00:48:17,976 --> 00:48:20,282
is an inspiration that comes so deep.

776
00:48:20,326 --> 00:48:22,154
It's all so like a controlled desperation.

777
00:48:22,197 --> 00:48:26,941
If you can't tap into that, then it just extinguishes.

778
00:48:26,985 --> 00:48:31,293
And you can't do it through here, it has to seep way down in there.

779
00:48:36,385 --> 00:48:38,649
to his dad's benefit,

780
00:48:38,692 --> 00:48:42,130
he built Rodney this little space, if he'd promise to wear his pads.

781
00:48:42,174 --> 00:48:44,698
So he built him a little concrete pad

782
00:48:44,742 --> 00:48:46,961
and little shed roof over it

783
00:48:47,005 --> 00:48:49,311
and lights.

784
00:48:49,355 --> 00:48:53,011
So Rodney would go out and he'd skate from 2:00 to 5:00 in the morning.

785
00:48:53,054 --> 00:48:55,404
That was his time to skate.

786
00:48:55,448 --> 00:48:57,580
It was cool. 'Cause it was super hot.

787
00:48:57,624 --> 00:49:01,541
It was so hot and so humid in Florida where they lived

788
00:49:01,584 --> 00:49:03,848
that they actually built their dogs

789
00:49:03,891 --> 00:49:06,241
an air conditioned dog house.

790
00:49:16,077 --> 00:49:19,690
My biggest blessing was being in isolation.

791
00:49:19,733 --> 00:49:21,953
That was my blessing.

792
00:49:21,996 --> 00:49:26,784
Maybe if I were somewhere else, out here, I would have been like them.

793
00:49:39,231 --> 00:49:42,364
At that time, you either skated freestyle,

794
00:49:42,408 --> 00:49:45,759
which instantly made you, like, a nerd

795
00:49:45,803 --> 00:49:48,283
or you skated pools. That was it.

796
00:49:48,327 --> 00:49:49,981
There was no middle ground.

797
00:49:50,024 --> 00:49:53,419
Freestyle was, you know, small boards, tight shorts.

798
00:49:53,462 --> 00:49:56,465
Goofy, total goofy attire.

799
00:49:56,509 --> 00:50:00,426
We all hated freestyle. But here came Rodney, and we'd all stop.

800
00:50:00,469 --> 00:50:02,994
Everyone would stop. The whole skate park would stop.

801
00:50:03,037 --> 00:50:04,735
All the vert skaters would stop.

802
00:50:04,778 --> 00:50:07,520
Everybody would go watch Rodney. Didn't matter.

803
00:50:07,563 --> 00:50:09,870
'Cause you knew you were in for a show.

804
00:50:19,097 --> 00:50:23,841
He was so far advanced than all of us.

805
00:50:23,884 --> 00:50:26,365
every time we would meet up in California,

806
00:50:26,408 --> 00:50:29,324
he would always have new tricks,

807
00:50:29,368 --> 00:50:31,674
on a level that nobody could match.

808
00:50:31,718 --> 00:50:35,766
I used to film a lot of those contests and go home and analyze them.

809
00:50:35,809 --> 00:50:37,898
We'd try to slow it down and, "how did he do that?"

810
00:50:37,942 --> 00:50:42,120
You know? And so then everyone started trying some of Rodney's tricks.

811
00:50:42,163 --> 00:50:44,905
I would watch him and go, "I gotta figure out how

812
00:50:44,949 --> 00:50:48,213
to flip my board like that." if something's been done, it's so much easier

813
00:50:48,256 --> 00:50:50,258
to learn than if it's never been done before.

814
00:50:50,302 --> 00:50:52,608
If someone else has made it, then you just, in your head,

815
00:50:52,652 --> 00:50:54,697
"It's possible you can do it."

816
00:50:54,741 --> 00:50:57,265
Belief is at the heart of everything.

817
00:50:57,309 --> 00:50:59,311
All I have to do is have an acknowledgement,

818
00:50:59,354 --> 00:51:01,922
a switch that goes off, to see it.

819
00:51:01,966 --> 00:51:04,838
It's, "oh, wow. Oh, yeah, I can do that, too."

820
00:51:04,882 --> 00:51:07,362
It's all convincing yourself.

821
00:51:07,406 --> 00:51:10,278
Every trick that I'd never done before

822
00:51:10,322 --> 00:51:12,759
was a matter of telling myself, "You are capable of doing this.

823
00:51:12,803 --> 00:51:14,065
This is possible. Go do it."

824
00:51:21,072 --> 00:51:24,379
Tony and Rodney were both outsiders from the beginning.

825
00:51:24,423 --> 00:51:27,861
And for a long time, what they were doing was considered odd.

826
00:51:27,905 --> 00:51:29,950
They would do it. You would bring your friends.

827
00:51:29,994 --> 00:51:32,344
"Hey, come to the park, see what Tony's doing.

828
00:51:32,387 --> 00:51:34,868
Come out behind the building, I'll show you what Rodney's doing."

829
00:51:34,912 --> 00:51:38,437
And they would go, "look at that. That's like a freak show."

830
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,613
But don't get me wrong.

831
00:51:40,656 --> 00:51:43,834
I learned a lot of basic tricks that I pick up from everywhere else.

832
00:51:43,877 --> 00:51:46,010
But I try to absorb them

833
00:51:46,053 --> 00:51:49,274
so that I can build something else out of them.

834
00:51:49,317 --> 00:51:52,190
'Cause the joy isn't creating something,

835
00:51:52,233 --> 00:51:56,107
the joy is what comes out of you.

836
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:58,892
That's what keeps me going.

837
00:51:58,936 --> 00:52:02,461
Rodney Mullen inventing the flatland Ollie

838
00:52:02,504 --> 00:52:05,246
would change everything.

839
00:52:05,290 --> 00:52:08,771
I have to give props to Rodney Mullen adapting it

840
00:52:08,815 --> 00:52:13,559
to the street in such an art form to where you can't skate without it.

841
00:52:13,602 --> 00:52:15,778
And it was interesting because, even though he did that trick,

842
00:52:15,822 --> 00:52:17,824
very few people did it for a long time.

843
00:52:17,868 --> 00:52:19,478
When that happened, we didn't think,

844
00:52:19,521 --> 00:52:22,655
"oh yeah, that's going to be a trick

845
00:52:22,698 --> 00:52:25,832
that's going to set the precedent of skateboarding for generations to come."

846
00:52:25,876 --> 00:52:30,010
I mean, it really started changing the landscape of skateboarding,

847
00:52:30,054 --> 00:52:33,318
going away from being all based on vert, really,

848
00:52:33,361 --> 00:52:35,015
to really taking it into the streets

849
00:52:35,059 --> 00:52:37,670
and putting it in the hands of every kid.

850
00:52:50,944 --> 00:52:54,295
watching Tommy's part in future primitive,

851
00:52:54,339 --> 00:52:57,255
and he ollied over the bushes.

852
00:52:57,298 --> 00:53:00,345
That was it. I was like, "you can really Ollie over things.

853
00:53:00,388 --> 00:53:02,390
Over obstacles. You don't need a ramp."

854
00:53:02,434 --> 00:53:05,611
Tommy Guerrero was the first street skater I put on the team.

855
00:53:05,654 --> 00:53:10,355
To be a pro street skater was, you know, just completely new. 1985.

856
00:53:10,398 --> 00:53:12,096
it was the moment where skateboarding

857
00:53:12,139 --> 00:53:13,967
became skateboarding. It was no longer something

858
00:53:14,011 --> 00:53:16,230
that was derivative of surfing.

859
00:53:16,274 --> 00:53:18,624
It was put on the table, "this is skateboarding."

860
00:53:25,892 --> 00:53:28,677
You know, the place of skateboard is in a skateboard park

861
00:53:28,721 --> 00:53:32,551
and not the streets. It's in a safe place. Right.

862
00:53:41,777 --> 00:53:44,867
We're making movies. Are you filming this?

863
00:53:44,911 --> 00:53:46,913
Yeah.

864
00:53:46,957 --> 00:53:50,003
We lived in a dead-end town with nowhere to go.

865
00:53:50,047 --> 00:53:52,484
And then when skateboarding came along,

866
00:53:52,527 --> 00:53:56,488
especially street skating, it made our town bearable.

867
00:53:56,531 --> 00:53:59,926
It made our town livable, because it blew it wide open, you know?

868
00:53:59,970 --> 00:54:03,190
It's like, the possibilities were suddenly endless in a town

869
00:54:03,234 --> 00:54:04,844
that once felt like we had nowhere to go.

870
00:54:08,804 --> 00:54:11,894
Suddenly it was like, "this place ain't so bad.

871
00:54:11,938 --> 00:54:13,940
'Cause there's a curb and there's a bench

872
00:54:13,984 --> 00:54:15,811
and there's some stairs and there's a wall."

873
00:54:15,855 --> 00:54:18,031
It was like everything was redefined.

874
00:54:18,075 --> 00:54:19,772
These weren't things that confined and defined our lives.

875
00:54:19,815 --> 00:54:22,079
They were things we were now defining.

876
00:54:25,604 --> 00:54:30,565
I felt completely smothered by conservative society

877
00:54:30,609 --> 00:54:34,526
in South Carolina, but skateboarding was a way out

878
00:54:34,569 --> 00:54:36,615
of what I just considered

879
00:54:36,658 --> 00:54:39,879
this very, very homogenous way of doing things.

880
00:54:39,922 --> 00:54:43,056
And when future primitive said,

881
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,754
"you guys are over here. We're over here."

882
00:54:45,798 --> 00:54:48,018
I was like, "yeah, that's right. I know which team I'm on."

883
00:55:12,651 --> 00:55:15,480
It just felt like we were onto something

884
00:55:15,523 --> 00:55:17,569
and into something that spoke to us,

885
00:55:17,612 --> 00:55:19,527
that no one else understood.

886
00:55:19,571 --> 00:55:21,660
It brought that sense of community

887
00:55:21,703 --> 00:55:24,924
to what is incredibly individual.

888
00:55:53,170 --> 00:55:55,041
I loved the first Bones Brigade.

889
00:55:55,085 --> 00:55:57,957
You got a couple shots of the girls at Lance's ramp watching,

890
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,568
throwing in a couple, "wows!"

891
00:56:00,612 --> 00:56:03,267
But then on the second one, you got them dressed up as girls out there.

892
00:56:03,310 --> 00:56:06,531
It just made so much sense. It made it cooler.

893
00:56:06,574 --> 00:56:08,576
The videos added a human element.

894
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:10,883
We weren't just this untouchable elite crew of skaters.

895
00:56:10,926 --> 00:56:14,147
That we were silly and we fall.

896
00:56:30,555 --> 00:56:33,993
Medic! Medic!

897
00:56:39,433 --> 00:56:42,436
Throughout all these different videos,

898
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,832
there's always, I forget, 12, 13 guys or whatever at some given point.

899
00:56:46,875 --> 00:56:49,269
We were always given, us six or whatever,

900
00:56:49,313 --> 00:56:51,924
were always given, kind of like, top billing.

901
00:56:51,967 --> 00:56:53,926
At the same time,

902
00:56:53,969 --> 00:56:55,710
those other guys that weren't given top billing,

903
00:56:55,754 --> 00:56:57,843
they're trying to take our position.

904
00:56:57,886 --> 00:57:01,020
I've got all sorts of amateurs up behind them.

905
00:57:01,063 --> 00:57:04,328
And those guys want to take the top slot.

906
00:57:04,371 --> 00:57:06,199
Just because you're on the Bones Brigade doesn't mean--

907
00:57:06,243 --> 00:57:09,463
How many members did we have of the actual Bones Brigade?

908
00:57:09,507 --> 00:57:12,510
What, 30, 50? Those five or six guys

909
00:57:12,553 --> 00:57:14,207
that were the elite guys,

910
00:57:14,251 --> 00:57:17,167
I mean, every one of those guys had to step up

911
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:19,778
and put themself on the line.

912
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:34,358
Seeing guys like my heroes Alan Gelfand invent the Ollie.

913
00:57:34,401 --> 00:57:36,534
I mean, that was, you know, "wow!"

914
00:57:36,577 --> 00:57:38,057
You know, that's a legacy for him.

915
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:40,059
And then Caballero doing the Caballerial.

916
00:57:40,102 --> 00:57:41,887
I'm like, "wow, that's great!"

917
00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:43,236
You know? "What am I gonna do?"

918
00:57:52,550 --> 00:57:55,509
Everybody had heard that Mike had invented this trick.

919
00:57:55,553 --> 00:57:57,598
It was a really big deal. Everybody was talking about it.

920
00:57:57,642 --> 00:58:00,471
If you didn't see it, you couldn't grasp it.

921
00:58:00,514 --> 00:58:02,124
You're like, "what? What are you talking? McTwist.

922
00:58:02,168 --> 00:58:04,126
Oh, he flips into-- what are you talking about?"

923
00:58:08,261 --> 00:58:12,744
I just remember this, looking at my arms and the goose bumps.

924
00:58:12,787 --> 00:58:14,528
I just witnessed history.

925
00:58:14,572 --> 00:58:17,836
This-- you know-- speechless.

926
00:58:17,879 --> 00:58:20,534
And I remember thinking,

927
00:58:20,578 --> 00:58:23,929
"that right there, that is,

928
00:58:23,972 --> 00:58:25,278
that's neck-breaking material."

929
00:58:31,110 --> 00:58:33,852
Rodney, Mike McGill and Lance Mountain had gone to teach

930
00:58:33,895 --> 00:58:36,115
at a skateboarding camp in Sweden.

931
00:58:36,158 --> 00:58:38,335
And that's where Mike learned the trick.

932
00:58:38,378 --> 00:58:42,556
I thought about, you know, doing a 540 for,

933
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,342
you know, almost about six or seven months

934
00:58:45,385 --> 00:58:48,780
when I seen, you know, a roller-skater do it.

935
00:58:48,823 --> 00:58:50,695
A lot of us were trying 540s.

936
00:58:50,738 --> 00:58:53,480
And I was trying them with him at the bottom of the ramp, halfway up.

937
00:58:53,524 --> 00:58:56,483
Gator and dale smith and a lot of people were trying to do them,

938
00:58:56,527 --> 00:58:58,006
halfway up the ramp.

939
00:58:58,050 --> 00:58:59,791
You couldn't do it below the ramp.

940
00:58:59,834 --> 00:59:03,490
You had to commit yourself in a very dangerous position.

941
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,065
You know, it took a lot of courage.

942
00:59:13,108 --> 00:59:16,329
'Cause, you know, I didn't necessarily do that kind of thing.

943
00:59:16,373 --> 00:59:18,766
I mean, of course, you know, I skated as hard as I could,

944
00:59:18,810 --> 00:59:22,857
but I didn't take that kind of a risk, but I want to do this.

945
00:59:22,901 --> 00:59:26,861
And I just thought, "you know what? I'm gonna do it."

946
00:59:26,905 --> 00:59:29,386
I would go back and forth and watch him.

947
00:59:29,429 --> 00:59:32,563
And he would just push and push and push.

948
00:59:32,606 --> 00:59:34,869
And I'm thinking, "oh, my God,

949
00:59:34,913 --> 00:59:36,784
he's gonna do this."

950
00:59:41,441 --> 00:59:44,357
He came back. He came back to me with, "guess what I made."

951
00:59:44,401 --> 00:59:47,142
I was like, "oh, you made one. Rad."

952
00:59:47,186 --> 00:59:49,014
I was going, "rad."

953
00:59:49,057 --> 00:59:50,711
Sliding around on-- dragging everything on the ground.

954
00:59:50,755 --> 00:59:53,148
I'm sure it was just terrible, thinking in my head.

955
00:59:53,192 --> 00:59:55,107
"Oh, come see, come see."

956
00:59:55,150 --> 00:59:58,023
Come see. Drops in and does a six-foot air.

957
00:59:58,066 --> 01:00:01,635
Does a 540 over my head.

958
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:05,509
And I'm like,

959
01:00:05,552 --> 01:00:07,380
"what the heck just happened?"

960
01:00:27,661 --> 01:00:29,620
I'm thinking, "oh, my God,

961
01:00:29,663 --> 01:00:32,100
this is gonna be an infrastructure change in what they do.

962
01:00:32,144 --> 01:00:33,363
It will be a dividing line."

963
01:00:33,406 --> 01:00:36,801
And immediately, my first--

964
01:00:36,844 --> 01:00:39,020
Rotten thing to say, but it's ever so honest,

965
01:00:39,064 --> 01:00:42,415
is a selfish one of, "I'm so glad I don't do what he does."

966
01:00:42,459 --> 01:00:45,897
I'll be honest. Like, when he did that, I was like, "I'm a jerk.

967
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:48,203
Like, that guy is-- the most respect for that dude.

968
01:00:48,247 --> 01:00:50,728
And I been, you know, digging at him and everything."

969
01:00:50,771 --> 01:00:54,601
But I was like, "no, it's like, I'm not on that level.

970
01:00:54,645 --> 01:00:56,124
I'm not even close to that type of person."

971
01:01:07,005 --> 01:01:09,442
I made it right in front of Lance.

972
01:01:09,486 --> 01:01:13,533
And he started skating and immediately tried this trick.

973
01:01:13,577 --> 01:01:16,797
And I just couldn't believe that he went after it that hard

974
01:01:16,841 --> 01:01:20,671
and tried it and poor Lance just spun out.

975
01:01:20,714 --> 01:01:23,630
And his body just cracked the top of the coping,

976
01:01:23,674 --> 01:01:24,936
and that was it for Lance.

977
01:01:27,025 --> 01:01:29,201
I remember crying that night.

978
01:01:29,244 --> 01:01:32,987
I remember crying, thinking like, "great. Gotta go back to the union job.

979
01:01:33,031 --> 01:01:35,642
Sucks. You can't make ends meet.

980
01:01:35,686 --> 01:01:37,383
You're gonna get pushed out of skateboarding.

981
01:01:37,427 --> 01:01:40,865
It's horrible. It's lame."

982
01:01:40,908 --> 01:01:42,693
I remember thinking that.

983
01:01:42,736 --> 01:01:46,087
And I went home and I tried that thing for a month straight.

984
01:01:46,131 --> 01:01:48,742
And I remember landing it

985
01:01:48,786 --> 01:01:52,354
and walking over to the brick wall

986
01:01:52,398 --> 01:01:54,748
and smashing my board into pieces.

987
01:01:54,792 --> 01:01:56,881
Just smashing it. Like, I wasn't even happy that I made it.

988
01:01:56,924 --> 01:01:58,709
I was pissed that it took me a month.

989
01:01:58,752 --> 01:02:01,581
I was pissed that it had to be that much of a battle to do.

990
01:02:01,625 --> 01:02:05,019
I wasn't even like, "woo-hoo!"

991
01:02:09,850 --> 01:02:11,896
there was only a handful of people that would even try it.

992
01:02:11,939 --> 01:02:14,942
I started just trying to fling myself like that out of the pool.

993
01:02:14,986 --> 01:02:17,597
And I was like, "this is crazy. I don't understand how this works at all."

994
01:02:17,641 --> 01:02:19,773
I couldn't spin fast enough.

995
01:02:19,817 --> 01:02:23,342
And I was scared to death to be that high, spinning blindly.

996
01:02:23,385 --> 01:02:28,042
That definitely put a wrench in my winning career, when that move came out.

997
01:02:28,086 --> 01:02:30,741
I remember when those guys learned it.

998
01:02:30,784 --> 01:02:35,354
I had to try to figure out other tricks to learn to try to compete.

999
01:02:35,397 --> 01:02:38,618
And that's what I love about being a part of the Bones Brigade

1000
01:02:38,662 --> 01:02:41,055
was just this group collective of skaters

1001
01:02:41,099 --> 01:02:44,102
that pushed each other to higher levels.

1002
01:02:44,145 --> 01:02:46,147
we all rooted for each other.

1003
01:02:46,191 --> 01:02:49,237
If one of us did well, then everyone else was stoked on it.

1004
01:02:49,281 --> 01:02:51,631
You know, I remember there was one contest where we all

1005
01:02:51,675 --> 01:02:54,678
wore each other's shirts as support.

1006
01:02:56,854 --> 01:02:59,596
But there's a part of it that I think

1007
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:01,815
that most guys will attest to,

1008
01:03:01,859 --> 01:03:06,080
is that we want to make Stacy happy, you know?

1009
01:03:06,124 --> 01:03:08,866
For me, the fun part was hearing him laugh.

1010
01:03:08,909 --> 01:03:11,825
I knew when he was laughing, either you were doing something amazing

1011
01:03:11,869 --> 01:03:15,655
on your skateboard or you really were being funny on camera.

1012
01:03:15,699 --> 01:03:19,093
He never would tackle you and give you a hug and go, "that was awesome!"

1013
01:03:19,137 --> 01:03:21,705
Like, "you're the best!" he would giggle.

1014
01:03:21,748 --> 01:03:24,534
That's the only way they would tell me that they knew

1015
01:03:24,577 --> 01:03:26,448
whether he was impressed with a trick or something.

1016
01:03:26,492 --> 01:03:29,060
You'd show him and he'd have the Stacy giggle.

1017
01:03:29,103 --> 01:03:32,019
I think anyone who's had any degree of fame becomes very sensitive

1018
01:03:32,063 --> 01:03:36,415
to pelting you with praise.

1019
01:03:36,458 --> 01:03:38,635
And too much of it

1020
01:03:38,678 --> 01:03:42,290
can have the weight of a tombstone.

1021
01:03:42,334 --> 01:03:45,642
And Stacy never did that. It was--

1022
01:03:45,685 --> 01:03:49,863
See, fires are combustible

1023
01:03:49,907 --> 01:03:53,563
not because of the gas, but because of the vapors.

1024
01:03:53,606 --> 01:03:57,088
And his laugh was quite like those vapors.

1025
01:03:57,131 --> 01:04:00,221
If you're doing something so far

1026
01:04:00,265 --> 01:04:02,702
beyond the possibility of working,

1027
01:04:02,746 --> 01:04:06,053
you have to have someone that believes in you or pretends to believe in you.

1028
01:04:06,097 --> 01:04:08,926
No other team, no other company had that guy.

1029
01:04:11,842 --> 01:04:14,584
I loved seeing these guys succeed.

1030
01:04:14,627 --> 01:04:17,195
They were so talented.

1031
01:04:17,238 --> 01:04:19,371
I loved it more than I loved my own career.

1032
01:04:21,591 --> 01:04:23,201
Damn!

1033
01:04:23,244 --> 01:04:25,029
First of all, you're talking about kids.

1034
01:04:25,072 --> 01:04:28,641
They're 15, 16 years old.

1035
01:04:28,685 --> 01:04:31,905
And they're already world class athletes.

1036
01:04:31,949 --> 01:04:35,735
The things they were doing, many of the tricks belonged to them.

1037
01:04:35,779 --> 01:04:38,129
They invented them.

1038
01:04:54,580 --> 01:04:56,190
I hate the word "coach,"

1039
01:04:56,234 --> 01:04:58,192
but I had this affinity for coaching them,

1040
01:04:58,236 --> 01:05:00,325
for being there for them.

1041
01:05:00,368 --> 01:05:04,329
Kids are not taught to be competitors.

1042
01:05:04,372 --> 01:05:06,113
They're not taught to be professional athletes.

1043
01:05:06,157 --> 01:05:09,029
It's like, I learned early on from my own generation,

1044
01:05:09,073 --> 01:05:12,293
one of the worst things you can do to a teenager

1045
01:05:12,337 --> 01:05:14,513
is give them too much attention and money.

1046
01:05:14,556 --> 01:05:18,604
It destroys their perception of themselves.

1047
01:05:18,648 --> 01:05:23,217
And I can't tell you how many casualties there were from my generation.

1048
01:05:23,261 --> 01:05:27,482
Of these guys of, "I could have been a contender."

1049
01:05:27,526 --> 01:05:30,703
And they have to live with that failed career, that shattered dream,

1050
01:05:30,747 --> 01:05:32,531
the rest of their lives.

1051
01:05:32,574 --> 01:05:35,447
Looking back, going, "God, I could have done it."

1052
01:05:44,021 --> 01:05:48,503
I remember Stacy coming down hard on me for falling in the prelims

1053
01:05:48,547 --> 01:05:51,158
at the great desert ramp battle in Palmdale.

1054
01:05:51,202 --> 01:05:54,335
That's a bad break, 'cause that was definitely a bionic run.

1055
01:05:54,379 --> 01:05:58,035
I think Stacy kind of felt like I wasn't really into skating.

1056
01:05:58,078 --> 01:06:00,341
'Cause at that time, I was in a band called the faction

1057
01:06:00,385 --> 01:06:04,041
and I was playing a lot of punk rock music.

1058
01:06:04,084 --> 01:06:06,347
And I was starting to look the look.

1059
01:06:06,391 --> 01:06:08,741
But I remember him, for the very first time, came down on me like a dad,

1060
01:06:08,785 --> 01:06:11,788
like a father figure and that is the first time

1061
01:06:11,831 --> 01:06:15,443
that I had ever had someone so serious saying like,

1062
01:06:15,487 --> 01:06:17,402
"what's wrong with you?

1063
01:06:17,445 --> 01:06:19,578
Don't you care about skateboarding?"

1064
01:06:19,621 --> 01:06:21,623
And he had never yelled at me before.

1065
01:06:21,667 --> 01:06:24,670
And I was really upset, you know?

1066
01:06:24,714 --> 01:06:27,107
I think I almost started crying.

1067
01:06:27,151 --> 01:06:29,762
And I just thought to myself, I'm like, "I'm gonna show him.

1068
01:06:29,806 --> 01:06:32,243
I do care."

1069
01:06:32,286 --> 01:06:35,202
And I remember I ended up winning that contest.

1070
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:41,905
backside air. In the air. Here he goes.

1071
01:06:41,948 --> 01:06:44,342
Oh! Forget about that.

1072
01:06:44,385 --> 01:06:47,345
They thought he was going to lose that one. Unbelievable.

1073
01:06:47,388 --> 01:06:51,218
The only time I would get on their case is if they showed up

1074
01:06:51,262 --> 01:06:54,308
and they weren't respecting their talent and they were being frivolous.

1075
01:06:54,352 --> 01:06:57,398
It wasn't about winning. It was about showing up and doing your best.

1076
01:06:59,836 --> 01:07:01,620
I want to hear some screaming for this guy.

1077
01:07:01,663 --> 01:07:03,535
Rodney Mullen!

1078
01:07:05,842 --> 01:07:08,670
Rodney was absolute perfectionist.

1079
01:07:08,714 --> 01:07:10,411
The fiercest competitor ever.

1080
01:07:10,455 --> 01:07:12,326
I mean, he knew

1081
01:07:12,370 --> 01:07:15,547
every single minute thing he was going to do.

1082
01:07:15,590 --> 01:07:18,289
Exactly what his feet were going to do, the order it was going to happen.

1083
01:07:18,332 --> 01:07:20,421
If Rodney stepped off his board or anything like that,

1084
01:07:20,465 --> 01:07:22,162
he'd probably be devastated.

1085
01:07:22,206 --> 01:07:24,817
Rodney was a competitor

1086
01:07:24,861 --> 01:07:28,473
on an Olympic scale that I've never witnessed in my life.

1087
01:07:28,516 --> 01:07:31,955
He was flawless, Perfect, every time.

1088
01:07:31,998 --> 01:07:33,695
Getting second to him was like getting first.

1089
01:07:33,739 --> 01:07:36,873
Nobody deserved to ever take his spot.

1090
01:07:36,916 --> 01:07:40,398
And that's when the rumors flew that he was practicing nine hours a day.

1091
01:07:40,441 --> 01:07:43,749
And we're going, "nine hours a day? How's that possible?"

1092
01:08:02,028 --> 01:08:04,117
When we would go on tour, he would just go out.

1093
01:08:04,161 --> 01:08:05,945
2:00 in the morning, we'd arrive at hotel.

1094
01:08:05,989 --> 01:08:08,905
"I'm going skating." "Okay, dude."

1095
01:08:08,948 --> 01:08:11,429
You know, we'd wake up whenever to get to the demo.

1096
01:08:11,472 --> 01:08:13,866
and he'd be creeping in.

1097
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:16,521
And we're like, "so did you find a place to skate?"

1098
01:08:16,564 --> 01:08:18,958
And he's all like, "yeah, and I learned a couple tricks, too."

1099
01:08:19,002 --> 01:08:21,743
Makes 500 new tricks up, you know?

1100
01:08:21,787 --> 01:08:24,746
And the next demo, you're like, "you just did all these tricks I've never seen you do before,

1101
01:08:24,790 --> 01:08:26,531
and I've been on this road with you for a month."

1102
01:08:26,574 --> 01:08:28,838
Sure seems like you're unbeatable.

1103
01:08:28,881 --> 01:08:31,101
Can you tell us what's it take to be a championship freestyler?

1104
01:08:31,144 --> 01:08:34,931
I don't know. Just my mind.

1105
01:08:34,974 --> 01:08:39,457
Rodney is a really bright sensitive person, but he was really cowed.

1106
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:42,025
I mean, he was almost like a beaten dog,

1107
01:08:42,068 --> 01:08:44,288
and his nickname was "mutt."

1108
01:08:44,331 --> 01:08:47,900
He was pretty quiet. To himself. Introvert.

1109
01:08:47,944 --> 01:08:50,903
Rodney was fucking crazy. Completely. But in the genius way.

1110
01:08:50,947 --> 01:08:55,734
Like, the mad genius way? The way, you know, those über smart people are crazy?

1111
01:08:55,777 --> 01:08:58,128
He could tell, you know, some historical facts,

1112
01:08:58,171 --> 01:09:01,435
but he literally couldn't-- you know, "how do you open this door?"

1113
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,526
He stayed in the corner and did his own thing.

1114
01:09:05,570 --> 01:09:09,487
And every once in a while, he would have this outburst of--

1115
01:09:09,530 --> 01:09:12,620
We couldn't figure out what was going wrong with him.

1116
01:09:12,664 --> 01:09:15,014
And I remember traveling with him,

1117
01:09:15,058 --> 01:09:18,148
one of the many, many tours in the middle of literally nowhere.

1118
01:09:18,191 --> 01:09:20,541
Trying to get to a demo, as always. Late, probably, you know?

1119
01:09:20,585 --> 01:09:24,241
"I think-- I think I'm sick. I think I'm gonna throw up."

1120
01:09:24,284 --> 01:09:27,722
"What are you, rod, motion sick? What, did you eat something bad?"

1121
01:09:27,766 --> 01:09:29,942
"All the above. I'm gonna throw up."

1122
01:09:29,986 --> 01:09:34,077
So he's doubled over. He's holding his stomach or he's feeling sick.

1123
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,080
He gets out and we think he's gonna puke or something.

1124
01:09:37,123 --> 01:09:40,257
He takes off. He fucking takes off down the road,

1125
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:41,911
gone, out of sight.

1126
01:09:44,174 --> 01:09:46,828
Did he have to go to the bathroom?

1127
01:09:46,872 --> 01:09:48,613
Where did Rodney go?

1128
01:09:53,313 --> 01:09:56,099
We just waited and waited and waited. I don't know how long it was.

1129
01:09:56,142 --> 01:09:57,709
It was quite some time.

1130
01:09:57,752 --> 01:09:59,363
I think the sun had gone down. I don't know.

1131
01:09:59,406 --> 01:10:02,844
But I remember seeing the van.

1132
01:10:02,888 --> 01:10:04,890
Those dudes were all looking at me like--

1133
01:10:06,979 --> 01:10:08,850
Fairly unforgettable look.

1134
01:10:08,894 --> 01:10:10,635
and then Rodney comes walking up, "hey, guys."

1135
01:10:10,678 --> 01:10:13,072
You know, that Rodney way, "hey, guys."

1136
01:10:13,116 --> 01:10:15,292
And you're like, "Hey, Rodney. Feel better?"

1137
01:10:15,335 --> 01:10:18,077
"Yeah." "okay, we got to go."

1138
01:10:18,121 --> 01:10:20,688
Shut the door, and we go.

1139
01:10:20,732 --> 01:10:22,255
No one said a word!

1140
01:10:22,299 --> 01:10:24,214
Rodney, to me,

1141
01:10:24,257 --> 01:10:28,218
was this guy that I couldn't relate to.

1142
01:10:28,261 --> 01:10:30,785
Tony could relate to him, 'cause he's very progressive.

1143
01:10:30,829 --> 01:10:33,484
And my best memories were flying in,

1144
01:10:33,527 --> 01:10:36,922
going to Tony's, hanging out. Seeing what he did.

1145
01:10:36,966 --> 01:10:40,230
This freakish alien, you know?

1146
01:10:40,273 --> 01:10:42,754
That's what it was. You know, X-Men.

1147
01:10:42,797 --> 01:10:45,365
Look at his crazy-- thinking we're all mutants

1148
01:10:45,409 --> 01:10:48,238
and look at his super powers.

1149
01:10:48,281 --> 01:10:50,631
And I would look at him in amazement.

1150
01:10:59,205 --> 01:11:02,339
As the guys started making a little bit of money,

1151
01:11:02,382 --> 01:11:05,342
what Tony did is Tony took his money and he bought a home.

1152
01:11:05,385 --> 01:11:08,301
And he basically had a skateboard park built at his home.

1153
01:11:08,345 --> 01:11:10,564
When I would shoot the videos,

1154
01:11:10,608 --> 01:11:14,046
Tony would have so many brand-new tricks per video,

1155
01:11:14,090 --> 01:11:17,136
it was difficult for me to fit them all in.

1156
01:11:24,056 --> 01:11:27,320
I was totally possessed by it.

1157
01:11:27,364 --> 01:11:30,149
I couldn't sit still. What's next?

1158
01:11:30,193 --> 01:11:32,499
What's the next thing? How do we make this trick better?

1159
01:11:32,543 --> 01:11:34,414
How do we combine these two things

1160
01:11:34,458 --> 01:11:37,896
to do something even more impressive?

1161
01:11:37,939 --> 01:11:40,072
I think that was it, I just wanted to be more impressive.

1162
01:11:40,116 --> 01:11:42,074
Tony took the McTwist,

1163
01:11:42,118 --> 01:11:44,120
and all of a sudden, he's doing one-foot McTwists.

1164
01:11:44,163 --> 01:11:47,210
Then he's doing board-varial McTwists.

1165
01:11:47,253 --> 01:11:50,082
And then he does the absolute unthinkable,

1166
01:11:50,126 --> 01:11:51,736
which is the Ollie McTwist.

1167
01:11:51,779 --> 01:11:53,912
He does the McTwist, not even grabbing his board.

1168
01:12:08,013 --> 01:12:10,102
and I don't think Tony did it for fame.

1169
01:12:10,146 --> 01:12:11,843
I don't think he ever did it to be famous

1170
01:12:11,886 --> 01:12:15,412
or to be like this big-- he was not the rock star guy.

1171
01:12:15,455 --> 01:12:18,502
Like, with the Alva posse and stuff, these guys were animals.

1172
01:12:18,545 --> 01:12:21,505
They were just, like, dreadlocks, leather jacket, beer in their hand.

1173
01:12:21,548 --> 01:12:24,247
You know, they'd just probably smoked a joint in the parking lot.

1174
01:12:24,290 --> 01:12:26,771
You know, my guys were the rock star guys.

1175
01:12:26,814 --> 01:12:30,644
And that's why my guys were so, like, just, man!

1176
01:12:30,688 --> 01:12:32,777
Aggro over Tony Hawk.

1177
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:35,562
They were cursing under their breath when they saw him take a run.

1178
01:12:47,487 --> 01:12:50,273
Tony Hawk did not have a beautiful surf style.

1179
01:12:50,316 --> 01:12:53,493
He was gangly. He didn't look pretty.

1180
01:12:53,537 --> 01:12:57,280
He looked fantastic, but he didn't look pretty.

1181
01:12:57,323 --> 01:12:58,890
He's not a pretty skater.

1182
01:12:58,933 --> 01:13:00,718
He's not a beautiful stylist.

1183
01:13:00,761 --> 01:13:04,635
And so one of his main rivals was Christian Hosoi.

1184
01:13:04,678 --> 01:13:08,682
And Christian Hosoi, he was as beautiful a skater

1185
01:13:08,726 --> 01:13:10,380
as there has been in the history of the sport,

1186
01:13:10,423 --> 01:13:14,514
and he was powerful, and he was exotic looking.

1187
01:13:14,558 --> 01:13:18,518
And like Alva, he was a rock star.

1188
01:13:18,562 --> 01:13:20,259
Let's hear it for Christian Hosoi!

1189
01:13:20,303 --> 01:13:22,827
Let's hear some noise. Let's go!

1190
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:26,657
whoo! Yeah!

1191
01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:30,922
And everyone, the punks, the hardcore, loved Christian.

1192
01:13:30,965 --> 01:13:34,055
And if they're gonna love Christian, they're gonna hate Tony.

1193
01:13:34,099 --> 01:13:38,669
Put your hands together for Christian Hosoi!

1194
01:13:38,712 --> 01:13:41,062
I mean, the fans were crazy.

1195
01:13:41,106 --> 01:13:43,500
That rivalry that they created,

1196
01:13:43,543 --> 01:13:46,546
it pushed us to be even more competitive.

1197
01:13:46,590 --> 01:13:48,809
They would always battle.

1198
01:13:48,853 --> 01:13:50,768
They would have these total battles that were just epic.

1199
01:13:50,811 --> 01:13:52,509
Just insane.

1200
01:13:52,552 --> 01:13:55,599
Polar opposite styles and approaches to skating,

1201
01:13:55,642 --> 01:13:58,732
but nonetheless both just as good.

1202
01:14:12,659 --> 01:14:15,706
I mean, Christian was more amplitude, style,

1203
01:14:15,749 --> 01:14:20,319
grace and power. Tony was like pump up the volume

1204
01:14:20,363 --> 01:14:22,365
and throw some, you know, like robotic,

1205
01:14:22,408 --> 01:14:24,628
like, technicality into it.

1206
01:14:24,671 --> 01:14:27,370
and they said, "you don't have style. You just have tricks."

1207
01:14:27,413 --> 01:14:29,937
That's all I wanted. I just wanted new tricks.

1208
01:14:29,981 --> 01:14:32,418
You know, I would have to go higher at the next event,

1209
01:14:32,462 --> 01:14:35,247
because he'd make up three new tricks.

1210
01:14:35,291 --> 01:14:37,858
This is it! Do or die for both skaters.

1211
01:14:37,902 --> 01:14:39,773
How many times, guys, it comes down to these two,

1212
01:14:39,817 --> 01:14:42,472
Christian and Tony?

1213
01:14:49,522 --> 01:14:53,526
McTwist! Yeah!

1214
01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:56,355
Skating hard up here.

1215
01:15:02,143 --> 01:15:04,581
Christian going for the jugular right here.

1216
01:15:06,409 --> 01:15:09,368
720!

1217
01:15:13,198 --> 01:15:16,593
Ladies and gentlemen, it's my pleasure to introduce the winner--

1218
01:15:16,636 --> 01:15:18,986
Tony Hawk! Yeah!

1219
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:30,955
I was winning most of the events.

1220
01:15:30,998 --> 01:15:34,001
I was winning all the overall series titles.

1221
01:15:34,045 --> 01:15:37,048
And it got to the point where people were telling me, like,

1222
01:15:37,091 --> 01:15:38,745
the people I was skating against were telling me,

1223
01:15:38,789 --> 01:15:40,399
"I just hope I get second place."

1224
01:15:40,443 --> 01:15:42,662
And I just didn't like what it was doing to me.

1225
01:15:42,706 --> 01:15:45,752
I didn't like that-- it was just kind of--

1226
01:15:45,796 --> 01:15:47,798
It was crushing mentally

1227
01:15:47,841 --> 01:15:50,714
because I wasn't enjoying it.

1228
01:15:50,757 --> 01:15:53,194
I would win. It was like, "yeah, I won.

1229
01:15:53,238 --> 01:15:55,066
That's what you expected of me.

1230
01:15:55,109 --> 01:15:56,633
I did it. There you go."

1231
01:15:56,676 --> 01:15:58,765
And then, on the flip side of that,

1232
01:15:58,809 --> 01:16:01,420
if I didn't win, you know,

1233
01:16:01,464 --> 01:16:03,857
let's say I got second place, they said, "oh, you suck now.

1234
01:16:03,901 --> 01:16:06,295
You didn't win."

1235
01:16:06,338 --> 01:16:08,166
It was too much for me at the time.

1236
01:16:08,209 --> 01:16:10,168
It was really draining on me.

1237
01:16:10,211 --> 01:16:14,825
And I wasn't enjoying skating as much, because of it.

1238
01:16:14,868 --> 01:16:18,394
I think you'd have to be a robot

1239
01:16:18,437 --> 01:16:21,135
to not be affected by some of the negative things that were said.

1240
01:16:21,179 --> 01:16:24,008
The guys used to spit on Tony, back in the day.

1241
01:16:24,051 --> 01:16:26,880
I mean, the punk kids used to spit on him.

1242
01:16:26,924 --> 01:16:29,666
They hated him.

1243
01:16:29,709 --> 01:16:32,538
He won everything or close to it.

1244
01:16:34,714 --> 01:16:37,978
That creates so much more pressure,

1245
01:16:38,022 --> 01:16:40,459
because there's no gratification in winning.

1246
01:16:40,503 --> 01:16:43,897
There's only upholding something so that you don't lose it.

1247
01:16:43,941 --> 01:16:46,770
And it is staggering.

1248
01:16:46,813 --> 01:16:48,902
It usurps the joy.

1249
01:16:48,946 --> 01:16:51,688
It's like a Kafka short story.

1250
01:16:51,731 --> 01:16:54,473
You build something, but you can't live in the house

1251
01:16:54,517 --> 01:16:56,301
because you sit around guarding it.

1252
01:16:56,345 --> 01:16:59,609
I think he was 16 or 17 years old.

1253
01:16:59,652 --> 01:17:02,699
And I got a call from Tony's brother Steve, his older brother

1254
01:17:02,742 --> 01:17:05,876
and said, "I need to come up and talk to you with Tony.

1255
01:17:05,919 --> 01:17:07,834
Something's not right."

1256
01:17:07,878 --> 01:17:10,968
And Tony's not an emotional kid,

1257
01:17:11,011 --> 01:17:13,144
or at least he doesn't show his emotion.

1258
01:17:13,187 --> 01:17:17,061
And this was the very first time I'd ever seen Tony emotional.

1259
01:17:17,104 --> 01:17:20,238
This kid had completely kind of collapsed.

1260
01:17:20,281 --> 01:17:23,676
And Steve did all the talking for him

1261
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,288
and was telling me, "Tony's really disturbed and upset.

1262
01:17:27,332 --> 01:17:29,465
And he feels he can't compete anymore.

1263
01:17:29,508 --> 01:17:32,337
He doesn't want to compete anymore."

1264
01:17:32,381 --> 01:17:36,167
You know, first he told me, "well, I understand that,

1265
01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:38,299
and I can understand how you're feeling.

1266
01:17:38,343 --> 01:17:41,781
But what can you do? Because it's all about competition."

1267
01:17:41,825 --> 01:17:44,175
It really was at the time. It was all about your competition record.

1268
01:17:44,218 --> 01:17:47,613
If you weren't competing, no one's gonna put you in the magazines.

1269
01:17:47,657 --> 01:17:50,137
No one's gonna put you in videos.

1270
01:17:50,181 --> 01:17:52,270
You had to prove yourself

1271
01:17:52,313 --> 01:17:54,925
that you're better than everyone else in the rankings.

1272
01:17:54,968 --> 01:17:58,407
And then he also told me, "look, Rodney Mullen said

1273
01:17:58,450 --> 01:18:00,409
the same thing to me last year."

1274
01:18:02,715 --> 01:18:06,415
I remember having at the Del Mar contest,

1275
01:18:06,458 --> 01:18:10,288
I had to walk across the skate park to a trampoline area and sit down with him.

1276
01:18:10,331 --> 01:18:13,900
I could feel he needed somebody.

1277
01:18:13,944 --> 01:18:15,946
And I could sense that from him.

1278
01:18:15,989 --> 01:18:17,948
I can't leave this kid's side today.

1279
01:18:17,991 --> 01:18:20,864
This kid, he's got something going on.

1280
01:18:20,907 --> 01:18:24,258
He's not telling me what it is, but he's showing me everything it is.

1281
01:18:24,302 --> 01:18:29,307
And so I tried to be as tender and ginger as possible with him.

1282
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:31,918
But I'm a kid and I'm trying to sense what this kid's going through.

1283
01:18:31,962 --> 01:18:35,008
I don't have that many skills.

1284
01:18:35,052 --> 01:18:37,576
But I sensed enough that it was not right.

1285
01:18:37,620 --> 01:18:39,578
It was a Del Mar contest, right?

1286
01:18:39,622 --> 01:18:43,626
And I was talking to him after his run, telling him how great he did.

1287
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:46,933
And he says, "yeah, well, that's the last contest I'm doing.

1288
01:18:46,977 --> 01:18:49,153
I'm quitting. This is it for me."

1289
01:18:49,196 --> 01:18:51,547
I said, "you've got to give me your autograph before you leave."

1290
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:54,506
So he wrote it on a little business card, "bye-bye, Rodney Mullen."

1291
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:59,511
And I was thinking, "how in the world could this guy

1292
01:18:59,555 --> 01:19:01,470
be the world champion"--

1293
01:19:01,513 --> 01:19:04,037
And he was winning every single contest he entered, by the way--

1294
01:19:04,081 --> 01:19:06,910
And just walk away from it and not come back?"

1295
01:19:09,303 --> 01:19:12,829
My dad, maybe a week,

1296
01:19:12,872 --> 01:19:15,222
two weeks before the contest,

1297
01:19:15,266 --> 01:19:18,138
before then, he goes,

1298
01:19:18,182 --> 01:19:20,619
"just so you know, this will be your last one."

1299
01:19:20,663 --> 01:19:24,667
It was always lingering, but he really meant it.

1300
01:19:24,710 --> 01:19:27,974
And things had been getting bad around the home.

1301
01:19:28,018 --> 01:19:30,237
Real bad. Real bad.

1302
01:19:32,196 --> 01:19:35,373
And so I--

1303
01:19:35,416 --> 01:19:38,463
My sister had gotten anorexic,

1304
01:19:38,507 --> 01:19:41,727
and I had started to go down a path that way

1305
01:19:41,771 --> 01:19:43,381
and--

1306
01:19:48,647 --> 01:19:52,521
I was just mad, mad.

1307
01:19:52,564 --> 01:19:55,088
He just said, "that's it."

1308
01:19:55,132 --> 01:19:58,788
And he goes, "you're going nowhere in life and I'm doing this to save you.

1309
01:19:58,831 --> 01:20:02,269
Stop. I think the skateboarding is making you crazy."

1310
01:20:04,097 --> 01:20:08,145
And so...

1311
01:20:08,188 --> 01:20:10,277
I couldn't focus.

1312
01:20:10,321 --> 01:20:12,541
That's the only contest I lost.

1313
01:20:18,503 --> 01:20:20,592
My mind was gone.

1314
01:20:20,636 --> 01:20:22,246
I just--

1315
01:20:27,294 --> 01:20:30,123
When I came back, having lost, he goes,

1316
01:20:30,167 --> 01:20:34,301
"you know, I wanna see how you bounce back from this.

1317
01:20:34,345 --> 01:20:38,915
How you handle this is what will define you."

1318
01:20:53,190 --> 01:20:55,845
I remember, I came-- I was super thin.

1319
01:20:55,888 --> 01:20:59,457
And I was falling apart in school 'cause I really didn't care anymore.

1320
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:03,548
And I remember he couldn't do anything about it.

1321
01:21:03,592 --> 01:21:05,506
It wasn't acting out.

1322
01:21:05,550 --> 01:21:08,945
You don't do that in the house. You don't do that.

1323
01:21:08,988 --> 01:21:10,686
But the thing is,

1324
01:21:10,729 --> 01:21:13,950
is I withered in a way that you could not control.

1325
01:21:13,993 --> 01:21:16,909
And I was spinning.

1326
01:21:16,953 --> 01:21:19,956
I remember the teachers and stuff, like, going to counseling.

1327
01:21:19,999 --> 01:21:23,046
"What's wrong? We know something's wrong at home. Eat!"

1328
01:21:35,972 --> 01:21:38,148
My dad is not some evil man.

1329
01:21:38,191 --> 01:21:41,673
Like, he was trying to do the best he could,

1330
01:21:41,717 --> 01:21:45,372
for what he had, with what he had with me.

1331
01:21:46,939 --> 01:21:50,290
But those are those formative years.

1332
01:21:50,334 --> 01:21:55,121
You know, teenager, when things start to hurt in a different way.

1333
01:21:55,165 --> 01:21:59,735
When I found skateboarding, it was the first thing I loved.

1334
01:21:59,778 --> 01:22:02,694
I mean, I loved it.

1335
01:22:02,738 --> 01:22:05,479
And that being pulled away from me

1336
01:22:05,523 --> 01:22:08,134
hardened something inside of me,

1337
01:22:08,178 --> 01:22:09,962
where nothing mattered.

1338
01:22:23,367 --> 01:22:26,892
He came to me. I was in the garage.

1339
01:22:26,936 --> 01:22:31,854
And he goes, "you know, I think that this has been hard on you."

1340
01:22:31,897 --> 01:22:34,073
This is months afterwards.

1341
01:22:34,117 --> 01:22:36,815
He goes, "you can skate,

1342
01:22:36,859 --> 01:22:39,426
because I think you need that.

1343
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:43,866
But I think that,

1344
01:22:43,909 --> 01:22:46,869
in a sense, what's wrong with you

1345
01:22:46,912 --> 01:22:49,610
has to do with the pressure of contests.

1346
01:22:49,654 --> 01:22:52,135
So you can't compete."

1347
01:22:52,178 --> 01:22:55,051
Really? Your father said that? Yeah.

1348
01:22:58,010 --> 01:23:00,970
Contests gave me

1349
01:23:01,013 --> 01:23:04,234
the ability to continue

1350
01:23:04,277 --> 01:23:08,673
to do what defined me,

1351
01:23:08,717 --> 01:23:12,721
but what they came to represent was,

1352
01:23:12,764 --> 01:23:15,027
"don't fail."

1353
01:23:20,163 --> 01:23:23,949
During my brief competition hiatus,

1354
01:23:23,993 --> 01:23:26,560
when I was trying to figure out what I really wanted to do,

1355
01:23:26,604 --> 01:23:28,475
I missed it immensely.

1356
01:23:28,519 --> 01:23:31,174
And I did get to, you know,

1357
01:23:31,217 --> 01:23:35,178
have a couple of pretty heavy conversations with Rodney about it.

1358
01:23:35,221 --> 01:23:38,355
He had come back to competition already, and I said, "how did you do it?"

1359
01:23:38,398 --> 01:23:39,922
And he said, "I just came back with a different approach,

1360
01:23:39,965 --> 01:23:43,186
that I didn't care as much of the results.

1361
01:23:43,229 --> 01:23:45,666
I enjoy it. I enjoy the skating.

1362
01:23:45,710 --> 01:23:49,888
If I don't win, I don't win."

1363
01:23:49,932 --> 01:23:52,717
I stopped worrying that I needed that

1364
01:23:52,761 --> 01:23:57,243
perfect competition record to thrive, and I didn't.

1365
01:23:57,287 --> 01:24:00,203
You know, I started placing first a lot.

1366
01:24:00,246 --> 01:24:02,901
Sometimes I would place fifth, and it was fun.

1367
01:24:02,945 --> 01:24:04,816
It actually became way more fun after that.

1368
01:24:18,134 --> 01:24:22,399
Everything I am today, somehow is probably fed

1369
01:24:22,442 --> 01:24:25,010
by my need for acceptance.

1370
01:24:25,054 --> 01:24:29,101
With my dad, that's not necessarily an acceptance sons are hoping for.

1371
01:24:29,145 --> 01:24:32,583
You know, "hey, it's good that you did this,

1372
01:24:32,626 --> 01:24:36,021
but do you get the point? You're dominating something that really doesn't matter

1373
01:24:36,065 --> 01:24:38,719
and apply yourself to something meaningful."

1374
01:24:38,763 --> 01:24:43,376
But because of Tony and Caballero and these guys,

1375
01:24:43,420 --> 01:24:46,249
that gave me a sense of acceptance and belonging.

1376
01:24:46,292 --> 01:24:49,339
It was like reciprocated and bounced back

1377
01:24:49,382 --> 01:24:51,776
and churned in a synergistic way.

1378
01:24:51,820 --> 01:24:55,084
And that's what created the Bones Brigade.

1379
01:25:00,959 --> 01:25:05,181
From my perspective, I was like, I don't know, like 13, 14, 15 when,

1380
01:25:05,224 --> 01:25:08,140
you know, the first Bones Brigade video came out

1381
01:25:08,184 --> 01:25:10,795
and future primitive and animal chin, and we loved them.

1382
01:25:10,839 --> 01:25:13,537
Me and my friends would quote the videos.

1383
01:25:13,580 --> 01:25:16,583
It became part of our language.

1384
01:25:16,627 --> 01:25:18,629
Especially animal chin.

1385
01:25:23,460 --> 01:25:25,810
We had heard about it.

1386
01:25:25,854 --> 01:25:28,944
You saw the ad. You were, "It's coming." everybody knew it was coming.

1387
01:25:28,987 --> 01:25:31,903
Every skater I knew, knew that this video was coming.

1388
01:25:31,947 --> 01:25:34,558
And there was a buzz. There was pictures.

1389
01:25:34,601 --> 01:25:36,647
Remember, there was pictures. There was the ramp.

1390
01:25:36,690 --> 01:25:39,345
And you're like, "what the fuck is this? This is gonna be crazy."

1391
01:25:39,389 --> 01:25:40,956
And it was.

1392
01:25:43,915 --> 01:25:47,136
In the last 30 years since that time, I've bumped into more kids

1393
01:25:47,179 --> 01:25:50,922
of the generation after me that, even after they saw the Dogtown film,

1394
01:25:50,966 --> 01:25:52,881
were just like, "what about Animal Chin?"

1395
01:25:52,924 --> 01:25:56,232
And I said, "are you fucking kidding me? Animal Chin?"

1396
01:25:56,275 --> 01:25:59,061
And they're like, "are you kidding me? That's the greatest video!"

1397
01:25:59,104 --> 01:26:03,152
I said, "I mean, that's damn near homo-erotic."

1398
01:26:06,372 --> 01:26:09,245
Okay, fellas, that's room number seven.

1399
01:26:19,646 --> 01:26:23,259
What are you guys doing? Goodbye, boys.

1400
01:26:23,302 --> 01:26:26,436
I can't go any other way. I mean, Animal Chin was just like--

1401
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,655
It was an embarrassment to me as a skateboarder.

1402
01:26:28,699 --> 01:26:31,963
I just remember my initial instinct that it was like, "why is this"--

1403
01:26:32,007 --> 01:26:35,227
You know, Stacy telling this story of these guys, and it's so fucking corny.

1404
01:26:35,271 --> 01:26:37,751
Why is he making skateboarders look like

1405
01:26:37,795 --> 01:26:40,624
even softer than they could ever possibly be?

1406
01:26:40,667 --> 01:26:44,584
Method air and one-flip air,

1407
01:26:44,628 --> 01:26:49,241
and through the air and comb your hair.

1408
01:26:49,285 --> 01:26:52,027
and rocket airs, guys. Breathe out.

1409
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:54,029
Once more. That was hysterical.

1410
01:26:54,072 --> 01:26:56,031
I love the comb the hair. Keep doing the same one.

1411
01:26:56,074 --> 01:26:58,337
That is hysterical. Everybody say it, too.

1412
01:26:58,381 --> 01:27:01,384
I'm embarrassed by my filmmaking qualities.

1413
01:27:01,427 --> 01:27:03,081
Terribly. It's awful.

1414
01:27:03,125 --> 01:27:06,084
And it's actually everything I hate in films.

1415
01:27:06,128 --> 01:27:08,957
It's so B-movie and clichéd and corny.

1416
01:27:10,436 --> 01:27:12,525
Check it out. No way.

1417
01:27:12,569 --> 01:27:15,311
It's like a skate God must have skated on this thing or something.

1418
01:27:15,354 --> 01:27:19,619
Check it out. It's some kind of Chinese symbol or something.

1419
01:27:19,663 --> 01:27:22,535
Ugh! God, when people tell me they like it,

1420
01:27:22,579 --> 01:27:25,016
I just look at them, I'm going, "I'm embarrassed about it."

1421
01:27:25,060 --> 01:27:28,889
You know, I think that it was the presentation of the video, first off.

1422
01:27:28,933 --> 01:27:32,371
You know, I liked the way, you know, there was--

1423
01:27:32,415 --> 01:27:36,158
It wasn't just a straight skateboard video.

1424
01:27:36,201 --> 01:27:37,681
It told this kind of story.

1425
01:27:37,724 --> 01:27:39,944
Good evening. Tonight's top story.

1426
01:27:39,988 --> 01:27:43,121
Legendary skater, won ton animal chin has been reported missing

1427
01:27:43,165 --> 01:27:45,254
by friends and relatives.

1428
01:27:45,297 --> 01:27:47,734
Well, we're really looking for this chin guy. Have you seen him?

1429
01:27:47,778 --> 01:27:50,868
Buck chin, the realtor? Nancy chin, the manicurist?

1430
01:28:03,098 --> 01:28:05,187
For some reason,

1431
01:28:05,230 --> 01:28:09,539
I'm dressed up like 130 year-old elderly Asian gentleman.

1432
01:28:09,582 --> 01:28:13,369
It's unfortunate when you have a male my age who's never actually had a job.

1433
01:28:13,412 --> 01:28:16,676
But I'm thinking about changing this, and I hope to.

1434
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,679
So if you're watching this, give me a paper route or something. I'll start over.

1435
01:28:21,768 --> 01:28:24,336
You guys are looking for animal chin?

1436
01:28:24,380 --> 01:28:27,078
When you talk about a message with skating, it has to be cheesy.

1437
01:28:27,122 --> 01:28:31,387
Because if you don't, then it gets sentimental, or then you start getting pompous.

1438
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:34,520
You want it to be this weird-- like, Lance falling.

1439
01:28:34,564 --> 01:28:38,002
That stupid thing where he falls and his head is in the ground.

1440
01:28:38,046 --> 01:28:40,657
It's so bad and cheesy.

1441
01:28:40,700 --> 01:28:44,487
Lance, are you okay? Oh, yeah. It wasn't even a bad slam. Don't worry.

1442
01:28:44,530 --> 01:28:46,924
The whole video to me represented skating,

1443
01:28:46,967 --> 01:28:48,926
because they were trying to talk about this message and you had horrible acting.

1444
01:28:48,969 --> 01:28:52,016
Hey, you guys, you think chin was really here?

1445
01:28:52,060 --> 01:28:53,235
Horrible songs.

1446
01:28:55,802 --> 01:28:57,195
Awesome skating.

1447
01:29:35,364 --> 01:29:37,148
It's Chin! Steve, check it out.

1448
01:29:37,192 --> 01:29:39,716
It's Chin.

1449
01:29:39,759 --> 01:29:42,327
No way.

1450
01:29:42,371 --> 01:29:44,764
Useless.

1451
01:29:44,808 --> 01:29:47,202
Was it okay? Yeah, try it again, though.

1452
01:29:47,245 --> 01:29:49,987
Not that we didn't sign up for it, but we never expected

1453
01:29:50,030 --> 01:29:52,642
to be actors because we skate.

1454
01:29:52,685 --> 01:29:56,907
Okay, look this way. Now react to someone over there.

1455
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:58,517
Yes. Whoo!

1456
01:29:58,561 --> 01:30:02,217
We want stoked reactions. Really stoked.

1457
01:30:02,260 --> 01:30:04,175
Oh, yeah! Big one, Mike.

1458
01:30:04,219 --> 01:30:07,265
Oh, yeah! Come on, Mike. Water bullet!

1459
01:30:07,309 --> 01:30:11,574
Air bullet, go, go, go! Go on, do it!

1460
01:30:11,617 --> 01:30:14,751
Yeah! All right.

1461
01:30:14,794 --> 01:30:18,842
You know, you had a lot of characters on the team and a lot of personalities.

1462
01:30:18,885 --> 01:30:21,279
So when you got five dudes together like that,

1463
01:30:21,323 --> 01:30:23,803
and you put them in a room for hours on end,

1464
01:30:23,847 --> 01:30:28,025
or made them do shit that, you know, "do it again, do it again, do it again,"

1465
01:30:28,068 --> 01:30:31,202
it's either gonna come out as anger or laughter.

1466
01:30:31,246 --> 01:30:33,378
And most of the time, it came out as laughter.

1467
01:30:33,422 --> 01:30:35,554
You know, just like, "oh, you've got to make fun of the situation."

1468
01:30:35,598 --> 01:30:39,167
I don't care what I said, do what I say. Is that funny?

1469
01:30:39,210 --> 01:30:41,473
Is that funny?

1470
01:30:57,272 --> 01:31:00,710
of course, to see them as a group was cool.

1471
01:31:00,753 --> 01:31:04,496
But also to know that they were individual personalities

1472
01:31:04,540 --> 01:31:07,195
with their own idiosyncrasies.

1473
01:31:07,238 --> 01:31:09,588
There were many teams that you didn't know their personalities.

1474
01:31:09,632 --> 01:31:12,374
The companies didn't give them a chance to shine like that.

1475
01:31:19,381 --> 01:31:23,776
You started picking your favorite Bones Brigade guys.

1476
01:31:23,820 --> 01:31:25,952
So I'd get to be cab.

1477
01:31:25,996 --> 01:31:27,954
Somebody else would get to be Tony.

1478
01:31:27,998 --> 01:31:29,652
Somebody else would be Lance. You know, "Lance is my guy!"

1479
01:31:29,695 --> 01:31:31,436
We'd pretend we were them.

1480
01:31:35,223 --> 01:31:37,834
you started to realize the effect that you had on people.

1481
01:31:37,877 --> 01:31:41,272
So you go somewhere and some guy's wearing suspenders like Stevie.

1482
01:31:41,316 --> 01:31:44,275
You know? The haircuts. Tony Hawk, I mean, that haircut?

1483
01:31:44,319 --> 01:31:47,278
The squeeb-- how many kids had that? Everyone.

1484
01:31:47,322 --> 01:31:50,760
It's that time between childhood and adulthood where you're trying to find yourself,

1485
01:31:50,803 --> 01:31:52,501
and you need to find a voice.

1486
01:31:52,544 --> 01:31:55,286
And that's how we identified ourselves.

1487
01:31:55,330 --> 01:31:57,941
Animal Chin raised our profile beyond anything

1488
01:31:57,984 --> 01:32:00,639
we could ever have known, but at the same time,

1489
01:32:00,683 --> 01:32:03,860
I would come back and just be smack into reality again.

1490
01:32:03,903 --> 01:32:05,383
You're in high school. You're going to history.

1491
01:32:05,427 --> 01:32:07,298
And I was still, like, kind of the nerdy kid.

1492
01:32:07,342 --> 01:32:09,213
It was this weird paradox that I lived in.

1493
01:32:09,257 --> 01:32:12,260
And then, once I graduated high school,

1494
01:32:12,303 --> 01:32:14,740
I literally was out of high school

1495
01:32:14,784 --> 01:32:16,481
and straight onto gleaming the cube set.

1496
01:32:21,965 --> 01:32:25,142
There's a time that we were going from, like you know,

1497
01:32:25,185 --> 01:32:27,100
all these Hollywood things, one from another.

1498
01:32:31,975 --> 01:32:33,803
I'm not even sure how any of that happened.

1499
01:32:33,846 --> 01:32:35,848
It was just so bizarre.

1500
01:32:35,892 --> 01:32:38,024
And I remember Stacy telling us, "hey, you guys,

1501
01:32:38,068 --> 01:32:40,418
people are gonna be running up to you

1502
01:32:40,462 --> 01:32:42,202
and asking for your autograph."

1503
01:32:42,246 --> 01:32:45,771
And we were like, "right, Stacy, come on."

1504
01:32:54,214 --> 01:32:56,304
I went all over the US, Europe,

1505
01:32:56,347 --> 01:32:59,263
Canada, Australia, Japan, New Zealand.

1506
01:32:59,307 --> 01:33:00,917
We were rock stars. We'd show up at demos,

1507
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,266
thousands and thousands of kids.

1508
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:04,007
It felt like skateboard mania.

1509
01:33:09,969 --> 01:33:12,232
We seriously fled several times, like scared.

1510
01:33:12,276 --> 01:33:15,540
We were in a van once. We were frightened that they were going to tip the van over.

1511
01:33:15,584 --> 01:33:18,413
Like, "we gotta get the fuck outta here! These kids are gonna kill us!"

1512
01:33:18,456 --> 01:33:22,112
They're like, "we love you!" "Wait a second, man.

1513
01:33:22,155 --> 01:33:25,768
Let us get out of the van before you tip it over and light it on fire."

1514
01:33:28,118 --> 01:33:31,861
We were at a demo in London and some kid comes up.

1515
01:33:31,904 --> 01:33:34,429
And he's like, "would you guys like to come over for dinner?"

1516
01:33:34,472 --> 01:33:36,605
And this other guy came up behind him and said, "that's George Harrison's son.

1517
01:33:36,648 --> 01:33:38,998
You guys might want to take him up on that offer."

1518
01:33:39,042 --> 01:33:42,219
So they sent a driver over, picked us up, and we went to the castle.

1519
01:33:42,262 --> 01:33:45,004
I'm not kidding, a castle. What are we doing there?

1520
01:33:45,048 --> 01:33:47,311
We're like the scum of the earth skaters.

1521
01:33:47,355 --> 01:33:50,358
We're at a Beatle's house.

1522
01:33:50,401 --> 01:33:54,492
I mean, that was the coolest thing that had ever happened up until that point in my life.

1523
01:33:54,536 --> 01:33:58,583
It was unheard of. The kids at the school would just freak out when I told them this,

1524
01:33:58,627 --> 01:34:00,629
and they won't really believe me.

1525
01:34:05,460 --> 01:34:07,592
Hawk just got bigger and bigger.

1526
01:34:07,636 --> 01:34:11,727
Every time I came out of jail, I mean, it was like, whoa.

1527
01:34:11,770 --> 01:34:15,818
I was pushing this shopping cart, Hawk was on a fucking Slurpee cup.

1528
01:34:15,861 --> 01:34:19,256
To me, that was just as huge as you could get.

1529
01:34:19,299 --> 01:34:21,780
It was just unheard of, the things that we were doing.

1530
01:34:31,660 --> 01:34:35,446
We didn't care about being well-known for it.

1531
01:34:35,490 --> 01:34:38,841
And so when we did become well known for it, it was like, "really?

1532
01:34:38,884 --> 01:34:41,452
You guys like us 'cause we do this?

1533
01:34:41,496 --> 01:34:44,890
'Cause you guys really used to make fun of us for doing this."

1534
01:34:44,934 --> 01:34:48,590
In the early '80s, it was not looked at as a career or a job.

1535
01:34:51,767 --> 01:34:54,857
When the money started rolling in, people thought differently.

1536
01:34:59,905 --> 01:35:02,473
Each of these skaters was paid by the amount of boards

1537
01:35:02,517 --> 01:35:04,388
we're selling each month.

1538
01:35:04,432 --> 01:35:07,347
We were paid per board. And it was basically a dollar a board.

1539
01:35:07,391 --> 01:35:10,263
I remember, my first check was 1980.

1540
01:35:10,307 --> 01:35:12,614
I remember getting $300.

1541
01:35:12,657 --> 01:35:17,140
I went from making eighty-five cents to making 20 grand a month.

1542
01:35:28,151 --> 01:35:30,849
The business was growing extremely fast.

1543
01:35:30,893 --> 01:35:34,026
In the early '80s, we went from, I think, eight employees

1544
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:37,813
to by the mid to late '80s, we had 150 employees.

1545
01:35:37,856 --> 01:35:40,032
The company had grown from a tiny local shop.

1546
01:35:40,076 --> 01:35:43,079
To a manufacturer known to the ends of the skateboard world.

1547
01:35:43,122 --> 01:35:47,649
Twenty-five years ago, I started out as one more of those California fads.

1548
01:35:47,692 --> 01:35:51,130
Now it's the sleeper gift of Christmas '87.

1549
01:35:51,174 --> 01:35:54,612
Santa Barbara based Powell-Peralta is producing 2,000 boards a day

1550
01:35:54,656 --> 01:35:58,442
to meet the Christmas demand and could sell twice that number.

1551
01:35:58,486 --> 01:36:01,532
The sport's really taken off in the last six months,

1552
01:36:01,576 --> 01:36:03,708
much faster than anybody expected.

1553
01:36:03,752 --> 01:36:08,147
As a result, our demand is much more than our ability to produce.

1554
01:36:13,109 --> 01:36:16,025
These kids were making more than Stacy and me.

1555
01:36:16,068 --> 01:36:20,595
Yeah. It didn't bother me to pay the money, 'cause we were successful.

1556
01:36:20,638 --> 01:36:23,554
But it was hard to sell to the team.

1557
01:36:23,598 --> 01:36:25,730
My team, of the company.

1558
01:36:25,774 --> 01:36:29,429
I have to tell my 40-old professionals

1559
01:36:29,473 --> 01:36:33,782
that this 16-year-old kid needs to make five times what they're making.

1560
01:36:33,825 --> 01:36:37,176
Here I am getting out of high school,

1561
01:36:37,220 --> 01:36:39,788
all my classmates are trying to figure out where they're gonna go to college,

1562
01:36:39,831 --> 01:36:41,398
what they're gonna study, what they're gonna be.

1563
01:36:41,441 --> 01:36:44,575
And I was making the kind of money

1564
01:36:44,619 --> 01:36:48,579
that was reserved for top-end jobs.

1565
01:36:48,623 --> 01:36:52,670
That was big money for us to-- what were we gonna spend it on? You know, I lived at home.

1566
01:36:52,714 --> 01:36:55,586
I was making money and I had a checking account.

1567
01:36:55,630 --> 01:36:58,371
Didn't buy anything, didn't have a car. Nothing.

1568
01:36:58,415 --> 01:37:00,635
It was just getting larger and larger and larger.

1569
01:37:00,678 --> 01:37:02,637
And I just kept putting the money in the bank.

1570
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,988
You couldn't find a nicer group of fucking boy scouts

1571
01:37:06,031 --> 01:37:07,163
than the Bones Brigade.

1572
01:37:16,302 --> 01:37:19,567
I didn't like the way they dressed.

1573
01:37:19,610 --> 01:37:22,221
I didn't like their haircuts.

1574
01:37:22,265 --> 01:37:25,616
You know, I wanted to, like, throw dirt on them or get them dirty a little or something.

1575
01:37:25,660 --> 01:37:27,618
They were too nice.

1576
01:37:27,662 --> 01:37:30,055
You know, they never got angry or anything, you know?

1577
01:37:30,099 --> 01:37:31,535
And I thought they were like little boy scouts.

1578
01:37:31,579 --> 01:37:33,189
Hell, no, we weren't boy scouts.

1579
01:37:33,232 --> 01:37:36,192
But I don't know.

1580
01:37:36,235 --> 01:37:39,282
We didn't really get into alcohol or drugs or anything like that.

1581
01:37:39,325 --> 01:37:43,852
I mean, skateboarding was our way of letting loose, I guess.

1582
01:37:47,072 --> 01:37:50,902
traveling with them, it was all the other pros,

1583
01:37:50,946 --> 01:37:52,948
they were drinking and partying with all the locals.

1584
01:37:52,991 --> 01:37:55,298
The Bones Brigade had their little skateboards in their beds,

1585
01:37:55,341 --> 01:37:57,735
sleeping with their boards.

1586
01:37:57,779 --> 01:38:02,305
The drinking, the partying, the girls,

1587
01:38:02,348 --> 01:38:05,221
all that stuff is when you're coming to a head

1588
01:38:05,264 --> 01:38:08,746
that you're like, "this isn't fulfilling me. I can't be fulfilled by it.

1589
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:12,184
It's not rad enough. It's not good enough." that's why you do that stuff.

1590
01:38:12,228 --> 01:38:16,798
So for them to say, "you guys were straight and lame,

1591
01:38:16,841 --> 01:38:18,756
and we're partying and having a good time,"

1592
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,932
No, no. You're partying and having a good time

1593
01:38:20,976 --> 01:38:23,761
'cause you cannot compete with Caballero.

1594
01:38:23,805 --> 01:38:25,981
Man up. Man up and beat us.

1595
01:38:26,024 --> 01:38:28,200
Not me, personally, they always beat me.

1596
01:38:28,244 --> 01:38:30,812
But man up and beat my boys.

1597
01:38:30,855 --> 01:38:34,772
And you know, it was really, like, hard to believe.

1598
01:38:34,816 --> 01:38:36,948
'Cause, I mean, here are these little soft kids,

1599
01:38:36,992 --> 01:38:39,516
but all their integrity and all their heart was in skateboarding.

1600
01:38:55,184 --> 01:38:57,316
I started sponsoring most of these guys

1601
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:02,191
when they were 13-years-old, and by 1990, they were 26-years-old.

1602
01:39:02,234 --> 01:39:03,801
They were in their mid-twenties.

1603
01:39:03,845 --> 01:39:06,717
And they had gone from very young,

1604
01:39:06,761 --> 01:39:08,632
little ne'er-do-well amateurs

1605
01:39:08,676 --> 01:39:12,810
to world class professional skateboarders.

1606
01:39:41,491 --> 01:39:44,537
We were doing close to $30 million a year in business.

1607
01:39:44,581 --> 01:39:47,758
At the same time,

1608
01:39:47,802 --> 01:39:51,066
there was issues and fissures developing between George and I.

1609
01:39:51,109 --> 01:39:53,372
Now that we had become successful,

1610
01:39:53,416 --> 01:39:56,549
we weren't seeing things the same way anymore.

1611
01:39:56,593 --> 01:39:59,291
Stacy's team was his life.

1612
01:39:59,335 --> 01:40:01,903
It was his dream. He was their mentor.

1613
01:40:01,946 --> 01:40:04,209
He was their brother, their dad.

1614
01:40:04,253 --> 01:40:06,690
And I think that was really where we started

1615
01:40:06,734 --> 01:40:11,651
to have the central issue, probably, between us.

1616
01:40:11,695 --> 01:40:15,525
I could see there were changes being made in the skateboarding industry.

1617
01:40:15,568 --> 01:40:18,310
It was changing from a big company industry

1618
01:40:18,354 --> 01:40:19,964
to a small, nimble company industry.

1619
01:40:20,008 --> 01:40:23,533
And I wanted us to fund companies

1620
01:40:23,576 --> 01:40:25,927
for the guys on our team,

1621
01:40:25,970 --> 01:40:28,320
like Tony and Lance and Tommy and Mike.

1622
01:40:28,364 --> 01:40:30,975
I wanted to make the Tony Hawk company, the Lance Mountain company,

1623
01:40:31,019 --> 01:40:34,283
and I wanted us to manufacture

1624
01:40:34,326 --> 01:40:36,633
and make them and put them in business and have a piece of it,

1625
01:40:36,676 --> 01:40:39,070
but it's their business. They can do it wherever they want.

1626
01:40:39,114 --> 01:40:42,639
And that way, it would give us a connection to evolve with these guys.

1627
01:40:42,682 --> 01:40:44,815
Because I knew they were gonna do it anyways.

1628
01:40:44,859 --> 01:40:47,600
They were eventually gonna go off and start their own businesses.

1629
01:40:47,644 --> 01:40:50,168
They saw me do it. Of course they're gonna do it.

1630
01:40:50,212 --> 01:40:53,128
Things were evolving, and we were evolving.

1631
01:40:53,171 --> 01:40:57,175
And I was considering moving on

1632
01:40:57,219 --> 01:41:01,005
and doing something else. But the one person I didn't want to disappoint was Stacy.

1633
01:41:03,486 --> 01:41:05,705
In my mind, I'm thinking Stacy's trying

1634
01:41:05,749 --> 01:41:09,884
to look out for his team, and I'm trying to look out for the company.

1635
01:41:09,927 --> 01:41:13,844
I'm going like, "that's not being partners in Powell-Peralta.

1636
01:41:13,888 --> 01:41:17,369
Then what are you doing?" and I think this just created a grinding.

1637
01:41:17,413 --> 01:41:21,069
It's like needing to go one way and needing to go another.

1638
01:41:21,112 --> 01:41:24,463
And it created a lot of animosity between us.

1639
01:41:41,045 --> 01:41:45,876
It was coming to an end. Wasn't gonna last.

1640
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,313
What it was couldn't be.

1641
01:41:54,798 --> 01:41:56,887
It was the end of what we all did together.

1642
01:41:56,931 --> 01:41:59,977
In some ways, it was very devastating because we had,

1643
01:42:00,021 --> 01:42:04,416
in our heart, in our hopes, in our dreams, that we were gonna do this forever.

1644
01:42:06,201 --> 01:42:09,944
And it came to an end.

1645
01:42:09,987 --> 01:42:12,120
It was pretty heavy, actually.

1646
01:42:18,691 --> 01:42:23,305
My whole life, I saw dudes I loved come and go.

1647
01:42:23,348 --> 01:42:24,872
Come and--

1648
01:42:32,227 --> 01:42:35,230
I shouldn't even have been

1649
01:42:35,273 --> 01:42:38,929
in a position to have it,

1650
01:42:38,973 --> 01:42:41,714
much less fade away.

1651
01:42:41,758 --> 01:42:45,805
How do you give that opportunity back?

1652
01:42:48,896 --> 01:42:51,942
I mean, all you guys gave me that opportunity.

1653
01:42:51,986 --> 01:42:56,381
I shouldn't even have been in it, in my opinion.

1654
01:43:09,133 --> 01:43:10,961
I just look back on my life,

1655
01:43:11,005 --> 01:43:15,313
and I feel so blessed

1656
01:43:15,357 --> 01:43:17,925
to be a part of this whole scene.

1657
01:43:23,104 --> 01:43:27,369
the people we've affected.

1658
01:43:27,412 --> 01:43:30,111
Just because it's a passion that we have.

1659
01:43:36,334 --> 01:43:38,554
I spend a lot of time in the stacks in the libraries,

1660
01:43:38,597 --> 01:43:43,602
and you're looking at these stacks of unreadable masterpieces

1661
01:43:43,646 --> 01:43:47,171
that men devoted their lives, standing on the shoulders of geniuses before them.

1662
01:43:47,215 --> 01:43:49,913
Bertrand Russell, Principia Mathematica,

1663
01:43:49,957 --> 01:43:52,960
and all these things that-- who will read those?

1664
01:43:53,003 --> 01:43:57,268
How will they change society? How do they really factor into things?

1665
01:43:59,488 --> 01:44:03,013
And me? I was able to contribute with a lot of tricks.

1666
01:44:03,057 --> 01:44:04,884
Those tricks now have names.

1667
01:44:04,928 --> 01:44:09,498
And those tricks factor into what everybody else does.

1668
01:44:09,541 --> 01:44:12,718
In a very meaningful way, I have helped create

1669
01:44:12,762 --> 01:44:16,766
a vocabulary by which this community communicates.

1670
01:44:16,809 --> 01:44:20,552
I mean, you can hear people chat, listen to how skaters talk.

1671
01:44:20,596 --> 01:44:22,511
These are all words and expressions.

1672
01:44:22,554 --> 01:44:24,774
Things that we created. It's our language,

1673
01:44:24,817 --> 01:44:27,516
but it's also physical.

1674
01:44:27,559 --> 01:44:30,519
And it helps define us as individuals,

1675
01:44:30,562 --> 01:44:32,825
how we fit within that framework,

1676
01:44:32,869 --> 01:44:35,611
and it helps define the community itself.

1677
01:44:35,654 --> 01:44:38,918
And so, when I look and I think of the contribution

1678
01:44:38,962 --> 01:44:41,182
of all these geniuses,

1679
01:44:41,225 --> 01:44:43,575
and the smell

1680
01:44:43,619 --> 01:44:47,231
and the browning paper of these dusty books that no one will read,

1681
01:44:47,275 --> 01:44:49,755
I think that I am so rich

1682
01:44:49,799 --> 01:44:51,670
and what I have done has meaning.

1683
01:44:54,456 --> 01:44:58,068
So I don't know what that answers.

1684
01:44:58,112 --> 01:45:00,549
Where did we start?