在上一集里，我探索了重型音乐在美国的形成。 In the previous episode I explored the emergence of heavy music in America.
我由此了解到，美国的乐队 And what I've learned is that the American bands
在金属历史中扮演的角色 have a much big part in history of metal
要远比我预想的大。 than I initially realized.
不过要说到真正赋予 But when I think of the great bands
重金属生命的那些伟大乐队， that truly gave birth of heavy metal,
我会想到英国的乐队，诸如黑色安息日， I think of the British bands like Black Sabbath,
深紫，还有齐柏林飞船。 and Deep Purple, and Led Zeppelin.
于是我来到英国，希望能找到 And so I've come to England, because I wanna find out
这种音乐在英国产生的原因， why does this music come out of England,
以及它对上世纪60、70年代产生的影响。 and what was its impact back in the 1960s and 70s.
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在60年代间， During the 60s,
英国产生了许多 England gave rise to a number of bands
比以往任何时候都更重型的乐队。 that were heavier than anything that'd come before.
但在重金属出现之前， But before the emergence of heavy metal,
这个国家曾产生了另一种改变摇滚乐 this country was the home for another musical style
的音乐形式： that transformed rock music:
英国布鲁斯热潮。 the British Bluse Boom.
于是我与布鲁斯传奇人物 John Mayall 见面， So I'm meeting with blues legend, John Mayall,
谈谈这场热潮是如何 to find out how this movement
为重金属铺平了道路。 paved the way for heavy metal.
我希望能和你花点时间讨论一下 I wanna spend some time talking with you about
英国布鲁斯热潮因为什么闻名于世？ what's famous you know with the British Blues Boom.
应该说，它在最初几年并不是以这个名字风靡开来的， Well fairly enough, it wasn't known as that when it happened for the first few years.
它那时就叫 R&B, it was just called R&B,
那在美国是一种完全不同的音乐。 which in the America is totally different kind of music.
但当时一些演出场地支持这种音乐， But there were just these venues that surported the music,
这对我们来说是个机会，我们可以走出去 and there was just an opportunity for us to get out there
玩我们想玩音乐。 and played what we wanted to play.
我们当时很惊讶，他们居然喜欢它。我们有了自己的受众。 and we were kind of surprised that they liked it. There was an audience for it.
你为什么认为当时在英国，年轻的音乐家们 Why do you think young musicians in England at that time
会被这种音乐吸引进去？ were attracted into this music?
我认为在一代又一代人中， I think in generation to generation
我们总是要不断创作出与当代听众的心灵息息相关的音乐。 we get something that connects with the audience.
在布鲁斯热潮之前，是长达10年的爵士热。 Prior to the blues boom was 10 years of jazz bands.
人们总是会涌向新的音乐，我想。 So people flood to those I think.
布鲁斯音乐是一种致力于 The blues is something that addresses itself to
展现人们生活处境的音乐， situations in people's lives
人们在听时可以感同身受。 that they can right identify with.
那些家伙中很多人都听着 Lots of these guys would listen to records
从美国飘洋过海而来的唱片：John Lee Hooker, Buddy Waters， that were coming over from the states: John Lee Hooker, Buddy Waters，
Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton……他们都对那些很熟悉。 Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton... They all picked up on those.
所以那些音乐的影响是巨大的，你知道。我想他们就是从那儿开始 So there was a massive influence, you know. I think that is where they began to
想要像那些美国人一样弹吉他。 wanna play like those guys.
当英国R&B乐团例如the Yardbirds When the British R&B bands first appeared
第一次出现在排行榜时，他们中间已经风行着 like the Yardbirds straight on the borad, already they all played
某种非常躁动不安的R&B演奏形式。 on the kind of really nervous form of playing R&B.
他们弹得非常快，几乎歇斯底里，而且极度兴奋，可是缺乏力量和深度。 And it was very fast, almost hysterical, and was very excitable, and kind of lacked power and depth.
于是当那些乐队逐渐慢了下来， So gradually, it is when bands learned to slow down a bit,
而且用了更多的贝司时， and to use more bass，
他们演奏音乐的种种方式 all these little ways of playing the music
就改变了整个时代的声音。 changed the whole sound of it.
所以当他们真的学会放松演奏的时候， So it is when they learned to relax really,
我认为也就是他们开始变得更重型的时候。 I think that's when bands began to become heavier.
如果你想起那些吉他手比如 Clapton 和 Page， If you think of guitarists like Clapton and Page，
还有像 Jeff Beck那样的家伙， and a guy like Jeff Beck
你认为他们都有什么共通之处？ What was unified do you think all of these players?
他们最早都根源于布鲁斯， It was all based on blues initially,
然后逐渐在演奏中打上了自己个人的印记。 and it kind of got individualized by different people.
Eric 曾总是沉迷于布鲁斯， Eric was always into the blues,
Beck 和 Page 也一样。 as well as Beck and Page.
尽管他们都是从布鲁斯迈开了第一步， although they started on foot of blues
但他们很快就迅速形成了各自的独特风格。 they very quickly mashroomed into their own individual styles.
除了奶油乐队，The Jeff Beck Group乐队，和 Yardbirds乐队， Besides The Cream, and The Jeff Beck Group and the Yardbirds,
还有一个乐队无可置疑地将布鲁斯改造成了 the one band that unquestionably transformed the Blues
某种更重的音乐， into something much heavier,
它就是齐柏林飞船, was Led Zeppelin,
一个在摇滚史上声名显赫的乐队。 the one of the most celebrated bands in the history of rock.
滚石杂志曾将他们描述为史上 Rolling Stone magzine described them as the heaviest band
最重型的乐队。 of all time.
那么齐柏林飞船与英国布鲁斯热潮 What is exactly Led Zeppelin's connection
到底有什么联系？ to the British Blues Boom,
他们的声音中有什么与众不同之处？ and what was unique about their sound?
齐柏林飞船出现在英国布鲁斯热潮时期， Well, Led Zeppelin occured at the time of the British Blues Boom,
他们很快就上升到了这个运动的中心地位。 and they came rise back in the middle of it.
如果听听他们第一张专辑里的 I Can't Quit You Baby, If any goes look at their first album, I Can't Quit You Baby,
You Shook Me，在接下来的两三年里他们一直受着Willie Dixon的影响， You Shook Me，within two or three years they were taking the influence of Willie Dixon，
而且将它更进一步地发展。 and taking it much further.
齐柏林飞船，我认为， Led Zeppelin, I think,
公平地讲，人们也许希望能将他们树立成一个典范， it is fair to say that people would like to place them as
一个能诠释“早期重金属”这个词的例证。 probably the large pad of what exemplifies "early days of heavy".
而这一点儿也没错。 and it is.
齐柏林飞船是如何让他们的音乐如此重的？ How did Zeppelin achieve their heaviness?
Jimy的吉他声又做出了什么贡献? What did Jimy's guitar tone contribute?
如果你渴望听到那种真正失真的吉他声，你立刻想起他。 He was the guy you would call if you wanted that really greedy distorted guitar tone,
这方面他是个大师。 And he was a master of that.
我的意思是，只要他的独奏声一进入你的耳朵， I mean, when you hear the tone of his solo coming in,
就即时可辨。 it's instantaneously identifiable.
谈谈这个乐队的标志人物 Robert Plant, Talk about Robert Plant as a frontman,
你为什么觉得他 why do you think he was important
在涉及表演中的创新方面 in terms of his presentation
如此重要？ that was doing something new?
Robert Plant 是主唱之神。 Robert Plant was that golden-god lead singer.
他有态度，有卖相，有腔调。 He had the attitude, he had the look, he had the mannerisms.
相比其他任何一个主唱，Robert Plant或许是 Robert Plant was probably more than any other singers
歌手中最为原始质朴的标志性典范。 that iconic raw model for singers.
我们在 Trinifold Management经纪公司，Judas Priest的经纪人 we are in Trinifold Managemnet who manages Judas Priest,
让我们进入这个房间， let us use this room,
这里是Bill Curbishley的办公室，他是Robert Plant的经纪人。 which is the office of Bill Curbishley, who manages Robert Plant。
我与他（Robert Plant）这么近，却咫尺天涯， To be so close but so far,
因为我们一直那么努力地想将 Robert Plant 和 Jimmy Page Because we've been really trying to get Robert Plant and Jimmy Page
带入到我们的系列影片中， to be part of the series，
但被他们拒绝了。 but they've declined.
我猜测问题在于Plant 和 Page The problem I guess for Plant and Page
不喜欢和“重金属”这个词联系起来， is that they don't like to be associated with the term "Heavy Metal".
即便他们对重金属产生过巨大影响。 even though they were hugely influential.
我倒从没想过他们是个重“金属”乐队。 I've never really thought of them as heavy "metal" band.
大体上是因为音乐素材的巨大差异。 Basically because of the complete diversity of material.
（他们）以沉重的原声吉他声为导向，再配以很重的鼓点。 Heavily acoustically oriented, with a strong bit.
我觉得你可以说没有Led Zeppelin， and I guess you could say that without Led Zeppelin
就不会有“重金属”。 there wouldn't be "Heavy Metal".
不过我确实从没把他们看做重金属乐队。 But I don't think that I've ever considered them as heavy metal band.
我想安息日 I think Sabbath
或许相比其他的乐队， probably more than any band
更符合重金属的定义， would be the definition of a heavy metal band,
从本质来说。 you know the essense of one.
虽然齐柏林飞船并不自我定位为重金属乐队， Although Led Zeppelin didn't self-identified as a heavy metal band,
不过黑色安息日乐队却被很多人标记为 Black Sabbath is the one band that many argue to
重金属之声的开启者。 mark the beginning of heavy metal sound.
因此我要找到安息日乐队被 So I need to find out why Sabbath
看作重金属流派先驱者的原因。 is considered the pioneer of heavy metal genre.
在七十年代早期， In the early 70s,
黑色安息日乐队创造出了 Black Sabbath created a sound
一种比以往更加黑暗、不详的声音。 that was darker, and more sinister than ever before.
于是我来到安息日乐队的故乡，伯明翰城， So I've come to Birmingham, Sabbath's hometown
这里是英国工业的心脏地带。 in England's industrial heartland.
我想知道他们创造这种声音的灵感 to find out where they got the inspiration
来自何方。 to create this sound.
当你开始安息日乐队的生涯时， When you started out with Sabbath,
请描绘一下那时伯明翰城的样子。 describe for me what Birmingham was like.
伯明翰城的形象很凄惨。 Birmingham's profile was dismal, you know.
哭泣的雨滴，还有工厂，还有比利时香烟。 Rains wept and factories and Belgium smoke.
那是个非常工业化的地方。 And it is very industrial place.
你可以去工厂做工，也可以进监狱， you can go into the factories, or you can go to prisons,
或者变成个流氓。 or you can be a gangster.
伯明翰城在二战期间， Birmingham had a massvie hammering
受到过非常猛烈的轰击。 During the World War II.
现在房屋周围还有很多炸弹。 there still a lot of bombs at buildings around.
战争期间，一个女孩在某个拐角处 a place on the corner where a girl
被炸弹炸得粉身碎骨。 was completely dimolished by bombs in the war.
我们住的地方全都是工人阶级。 where we lived was very very working-class,
所以会有很多移民，还有种族和文化的融合。 so a lot of immagration there, very mixed racially and culturally,
还有很多街斗。呵呵 and a lot of street fighting. Hehe...
那么这么可怕的现实 So how did this sort of horrible reality
是如何影响了黑色安息日的声音的？ influence what Black Sabbath sounded like?
我们都喜欢某种反主流文化的感觉， We all liked some feelings about the conterculture，
还有各种和平运动。 or a lot of peace movements.
我觉得我们那时都抱有很好的态度，这倒不错， And I think all of us had an attitude to well, that's all well and good,
不过发生的事超出了我们的想象， but that's not what was going on right now,
我坐在那儿，看着一个人被打得屁滚尿流， I was sitting there, looking at a guy getting his guts beaten up
却仍缄默不语，于是开始真正观察 and muted, began to take a really good look at
我们周围到底发生了什么，我们到底看到了什么。 what was really on the ground or really what was seen.
我想那个人对黑色安息日有着巨大的影响。 I think he had a huge impact on Sabbath.
请给我描述一下黑色安息日音乐中的声音。 Describe for me the sound of a Black Sabbath's music.
它怎样与众不同？ 围绕着它还有什么故事？ How was it different, then what else was going on?
当时整个国家的布鲁斯乐队泛滥成灾， The country was inundated with blues bands,
他们说着一样的话，有着一样的装扮，抽着一样的烟， and all said the same, or looked the same, or smoked the same, and
穿着一样的夹克，配备着一样的吉他手 with the same jackets or the guitar players,
还有没完没了的独奏。 and sixty-mile long solos.
我们都急切地想脱离这种环境， and we were all anxious to get out of there
因为我们五个人都相信这样没有前途，我们必须做出改变。 because all five of us believed that was going somewhere so we have to do something different.
我们在一起不停地排练，直到我们想出"Wicked World"这首歌。 We jammed around until we came over with this song "Wicked World".
那个前奏， 你知道，我们想：“这个不错，我们可以用它。” That pro song, you know, we thought on it:"this is good , you know, we can do it."
然后我们又想出另一首，这第二首就是“黑色安息日”。 then we got another one, and the second song was "Black Sabbath".
我们就想：“上帝，这曲子真是古怪得很！” And we just thought:"God, this is really weird and different!"
于是决定让它试着登台亮相。轮到下一次演出时，我们上台表演， and just gave it a try. when on the next gig, we did the gig，
最后唱了这首“黑色安息日”。观众们简直发了疯， and we played at the end "Black Sabath". And crowds just went absolutely mental.
他们喊：“再来一次！再来一次！”我们就再来了一次，最后这首歌反复唱了3次。 Those said:"Play that again! Play that again!" So we played it again, played it three times.
我们终于认识到，我们有着其他乐队没有的东西。 And we just realized you know that we had something that nobody else had.
当我们坐下来一起创作音乐时， When we would sit down and make a piece of music together,
我总会试着用鼓创造出 one of the things I would try to create with drums,
很浓的氛围; 当然还有很多音调， a lot of atmosphere; definitely used a lot of tones,
用来为特定的歌词做铺垫。当Ozzy唱出： to bring about certain words when Ozzy was singing:
“是什么站在我的面前？” "What is this that stands before me？"
我知道我们该怎么处理这些音符。 I knew where we have to go with the tones.
我当然本来也可以…… I could've gone...
不过这行不通。 It would never worked.
就某些方面说，他们一直是一个爵士乐队。 In some way, they were always a jazz band,
如果你听听 Bill 和 Geezer 弹奏的东西， If you listen to what Bill and Geezer are playing.
Geezer其实完全和摇滚不沾边， Geezer is not playing rock really,
他弹的一直是某种现代爵士乐。 He is playing a sort of always modern jazz.
非常难懂， Very intricate stuff,
不过当伴随着 but with it...
伴随着这种惊世骇俗的阴沉的歌词， with this absolutely staggering heavy lyrics
和沉重的歌唱旋律， and heavy vocal melodies
还有天马行空般的吉他乐句。 and totally fantastic guitar riffs.
结合了Tony Iommi的重型吉他声， By combining the heaviness of Tony Iommi's guitar,
和Ozzy的怪诞唱腔， with the eerie sound of Ozzy's vocals,
还有Billy Geezer的爵士风节奏， and Billy Geezer's jazz-influence rhythms,
黑色安息日创造了一种闻所未闻的音响效果。 Black Sabbath was creating a sound that'd never been heard before.
考虑到这声音在当时实在太过不寻常， So given that the sound was so unusal for its time,
唱片界又对黑色安息日的音乐作何反应呢？ how was the record industry reacting to Black Sabbath's music?
这张专辑是个致命的反叛， Which is deadly rebellion,
它是张并不十分特别的专辑。 which is not very different first album.
我带着录音走遍了十四所街道唱片公司， I took this recording to fourteen street record companies,
而他们全都拒绝了我。 and they all turned me down.
为什么他们不想接纳这张专辑。 Why didn't they want to take this record on?
因为那不是当时流行的敲击罐子的声音。 Because that wasn't the currently hit-on-the-jar's sounding like that
如果你坐在自己时髦漂亮的办公室里， If you sit there in your posh purfle office with your
穿着你的白西装，你会去听些轻柔的音乐， your white suit on, you'll hear something safe,
你会让你的老板们听听那些好像滚动的瓶子的回音，还有一些石子在里面，对， 就好像那种东西。 you'll hear something safe, you'll get the bosses listen up those sounds just like the rolling bottle echos, stones with it, yes, something like that.
但尝试新鲜事物？ 他们会吓死的。 But something new? They're scared of it.
我不会忘记这个唱片公司。 I always remember this one record company.
我们在英格兰最北部， we were in the northern most part of England,
可能是为了一场演出，然后开了*和谐*一晚上的车， may have to do a gig, and drive all the balls through night
去参加上午11点在伦敦一个酒吧里的试音。 to play this audition at this pub early eleven o'clock in the morning in London.
所以我们没有人睡过觉，全都精疲力尽。 so none of us slept, we were all absolutely exhausted,
有一个唱片公司来的家伙， the guy came from the record company.
我们的演出刚开始，他就走出去了。 We started playing, and he just literally walked out.
第二首歌刚唱完一半，他就说：“这是什么狗屎？”然后就走出去了。 After halfway to the second song, he just:"What is the crap?" and just walked out.
他们就是这么对待我们的。你知道， that is way they treated us. You know,
他们并不在乎。 they really didn't care it.
有一个来自I&R公司的人，他挺喜欢我们。 And we got this I&R guy and he really liked us.
他最终让Vertigo公司签下我们。 and he finally got Vertigo to sign us.
当你第一次看到黑色安息日的表演， When you first saw Black Sabbath play,
你对他们的音乐有什么印象？ what was your impression of their music?
我首先想：“这是个重金属乐队。” My first thought was "it is a heavy metal band."
当演出进行下去后，我意识到他们不仅仅是个普通的乐队。 as they went on, I realized that there were much more than that.
因为他们的很多歌词不但很有才智， Because a lot of the lyrics were not only intelligent,
而且涉及到了一些复杂的题材。 but they delt with some difficult subjects.
而且从音乐角度看，他们很棒。 and musically, they were terrific.
于是演出结束后，我邀请他们加入我们Vertigo公司。 So After the gig, I took them in to come in with us on Vertigo.
一切都发生得难以想象的快。 It happened so incredibly fast.
第一张专辑上榜了， The first album charted,
你知道，我记得它排在第13名， you know, I think it came in number thirteen,
我们之前毫不知情，我们正在货车里等待演出开始， We didn't know anything about it, we were in a cargo into a gig,
听着专辑排行榜，这时 and we listened to the album chart and then
收音机里提到：“新年的第十三名是黑色安息日。” it brought:"And an new-year thirteenth we got Black Sabbath"
然后我们说：“啥？” and then:"What?"
“来自于一支名为黑色安息日的乐队。” "Through a band called Black Sabbath."
然后就播放了专辑里的歌曲，“这是我们的歌。” And it played the track of it, and "It's us."
它上榜的那一周， the week it went on the charts,
我们一共卖了5200份唱片。 it is sold with five thousand and two hundred records first week.
自那时起，我们踏上了改革之路。 From that moment on, we were put on the Crusade
我们知道我们是一支很特别的乐队， We knew that we got something very very special,
而且自那时起，我们的事业开始真正严肃起来。 and from that moment it became really serious.
他们是否是那支点燃了后来被称作“重金属”音乐的热情的乐队？ Are they that band that set emotion in this music that came to be called "heavy metal"?
如果真有某个乐队或专辑配得上这个称呼的话， If there is one band that it is and there is one album that it is,
那就是黑色安息日的第一张专辑。 it is the first Black Sabbath album.
因为那张专辑影响了整整一代人的童年。 Coz that influenced a whole generation of the kids.
五、六年后， they five years, six years later,
很多重金属乐队就从他们中冒了出来。 appeared as heavy metal bands.
对我来说，黑色安息日是第一支定义了 Black Sabbath was the band that first defined
“重金属”的乐队。 "heavy metal" for me.
而且他们确实有某种途径， and seriously had that sort of heavy approachs
能让重型的音乐仿佛变成了真实的伪装。 that really seem like disguise for real.
你认为你们有多少程度上是个重金属乐队？ To what extend do you consider youself as a heavy metal band?
我们那时认为自己是个硬摇滚乐队， We just thought we were hard rock band at the time,
我们喜欢这样的称呼。 that is what we liked.
我第一次听到“重金属”这个称呼， And the first I heard of being called "heavy metal"
是某个人在贬损我们。 was somebody being derogatory about us.
我我像往常一样在杂志里找批评我们的段落， I read this review moving onto criticizing as usual，
它说我们的音乐就像一大坨重金属从天而降， and it said that it sounded like a load of heavy metal been droped,
反正和音乐没啥关系。 not musically whatsoever.
不管那些日子里我们被称作重金属乐队，或别的什么， what's heavy metal or another band into those days,
我们就是一支硬摇滚乐队。 we are just a heavy rock band.
这就是黑色安息日乐队需要澄清的一点。 That's how Sabbath sorted this out.
同时我们也意识到，我们以我们名义创造了 and we had realized that we had invented
一个全新的流派。 a whole genre, under the name.
黑色安息日乐队显然没有将自己定义为 Black Sabbath clearly didn't self-identify
一个重金属乐队， as a heavy metal band,
可是后辈的音乐人和粉丝 but future generations of musicians and fans
依旧将重金属的产生归功于黑色安息日创造的 would credit Sabbath for creating
那种不同寻常的黑暗音响和美学。 a distinctly darker sound,and aesthetic.
那么，既然伯明翰的黑色安息日乐队已经打下了这个基础， So now the birmingham's Black Sabbath had laid this fundation
这个流派又是如何发展进化的？让我们把视线转向伦敦， How would this genre evolve as the focus shifted to London,
这个七十年代英国硬摇滚大舞台的首府。 the capital of the 70s' English hard rock scene?
黑色安息日和齐柏林飞船，这唯一的两支英国乐队 Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were the only English bands
开创了七十年代早期重型音乐的新方向。 carving new directions in heavy music in the early 70s.
随后另一支乐队，将硬摇滚音乐推向了更复杂精巧境界， The one band pushed the sound of hard rock into something more complex and sophisticated
它就是伦敦的深紫乐队。 was London's Deep Purple.
不过这支乐队的最初的绰号为Mark I， However the band's original lineup, nicknamed Mark I,
它和今日我们所熟知的深紫的重型音乐简直风马牛不相及。 was a far cry from the heavy sound that purple is known for today.
于是我一路舟车，来到了鼓手 Ian Paice 的故乡， So I've traveled to the country home of the drummer Ian Paice
问问他当这个乐队还叫Mark I时的起源, to ask him about the band's Mark I origins,
以及它如何变成了深紫 and how it became the Deep Purple
这支影响了整个庞大的重金属军团的乐队。 that influenced legions of heavy metal bands.
Mark II 时期和 Mark I 时期有何不同？ How was Mark II different than Mark I?
在 Mark I 时， 我们试图变成别的乐队， In Mark I, we tried to be like somebody else,
试图变成英国版本的香草软糖乐队。 where she tried to be like a British version of Vanilla Fudge
我们把别人的歌拿过来，然后重新配以宏大的编曲。 by taking other people's songs and put in big arrangements around them.
Mark II 发展到后来， what Mark II progressed to,
我们意识到我们没有理由当第二个香草软糖乐队。 was realizing there was no point being number two Vanilla Fudge.
重要的是，要当第一个自己。 it is very important to actually become number one yourselves.
我们拥有某种相当棒的、有意思的东西。 we had something really rather good and quite interesting.
不过它当时没有很好地凝合在一起。 But it wasn't jelling quite right.
由于某些原因，我们没有正确地噪起来。 It wasn't making the right noise somehow.
很不幸，对于Nick Simper 和 Rod Evans来说 And unfortunately for Nick Simper and Rod Evans
我们得出结论：这一切都是他们的错。 We came up with the conclusion that it was their fault.
他们两个并不是帮助 Paice, Blackmore 和我自己的正确人选。 They were not the two right guys to help Paice, Blackmore and myself.
我们很清楚地认识到我们该何去何从。 Quite realized where we want to do, to go.
当你和 Ian加入这个乐队， when you and Ian came in the band,
你认为在乐队的音乐方面发生了什么改变？ what do you think changed in terms of the sound of the band?
我和 Ian 过去是作曲者，我们是合作关系。 me and Ian were, we were song writers, and we are partnership.
我认为， Paice 和 Ritchie 和 Jon 的音乐才华令人难以置信。 And I think, the musicianship of Paice and Ritchie and Jon was just unbelievable.
我之前合作过的乐手中，没有和他们相提并论的。 I don't think I ever played with people that good before.
于是这就像一场婚姻，一方是高雅而老练的他们三个， And it was kind of a marriage between the sophistication of the other three
另一方是写出天真而简单的歌曲的我们。 and the naiive, simplistic song writing of us two.
我以为这是关键。 and I think that was the key.
我早期写过不少的重复乐段, 不过 Ritchie 才是真正的重复乐段大师。 I wrote quite a few of the riffs in the early days， but Ritchie is really the riff master.
他是个复杂的乐手，却真正懂得怎样变得简单。 He is a complex player. He really learnt how to be simple.
然而创作简单的东西可和其他事情不一样—— But writing something simple that is not like anything else——
那可是非常困难的。 THAT is really defficult.
你从小到大都是深紫乐队的超级粉丝。为什么他们那么重要？ You grow up as a big fan of Purple. Why were they so important?
Ritchie Blackmore 是个刀锋吉他手。 Ritchie Blackmore was a razor playing guitar.
我表弟带我去看深紫的演出， My cousin took me to see Deep Purple.
第一排，正对着 Ritchie Blackmore的左边， Front row, in front of Ritchie Blackmore left,
我的老天他就像在……狠砸他的吉他。然后又若无其事地用这把吉他重新演奏起来。 Oh my god he was like ... smashing his guitar. And playing again you know he was playing with.
总之帅呆了！ Just off the charts！
我从没听过任何人演奏……你知道，在吉他上弹出那种声音。 非常的酷。 I've never heard anybody play...you know, make sounds like that on guitar. It is just so cool.
因为直到那个时候，你知道，大家都还说 Clapton 是神之类的话。 Coz up to then it was all like, you know, Clapton is god or all that kind of stuff.
但是，我的意思是，相比 Ritchie 所做的一切, Clapton太温顺了。 You know, but, I mean, you know Clapton was tame, comparing with what Ritchie was doing.
它是潘神的音乐，仿佛能激发你大脑所有的部分。 It was the sound of the Pan, like prompting all level of your brain.
待到由 Gillan, Glover, Paice, Blackmore 和 Lord 所组成的 Mark II With the Mark II lineup of Gillan, Glover, Paice, Blackmore and Lord
阵容齐整后，1970年， firmly in place in 1970,
深紫乐队发行了重金属史上的经典之作： Deep Purple released one of the heavy metal all-time classical records:
"In Rock".
而其中一个令“In Rock”如此独特的因素， And one of the elements that made "In Rock" unique,
就是 Jon Lord 雷鸣般的哈蒙德风琴声。 was the thunderous sound of Jon Lord's Hammond Organ.
我第一次真正意识到我能 The first time I really became aware what I could do
用哈蒙德在专辑中有所作为， with Hammond on record
是在 “Hard Lovin' man”的管风琴独奏中， was on the organ solo in the "Hard Lovin' man"
那是我第一次在录音室里释放了自己， which is the first time I just let myself loose in the studio
我要看看我到底能让这头野兽发挥到什么程度。 to see exactly what I could made that beasts do.
我认为，我非常喜欢哈蒙德风琴的一点， I think one of the things I really like about the Hammond organ is
是它的多样性。我的意思是，我设法去适应了管风琴这个起源于教堂， the adaptibility. I mean, I manage to adapt what was initially a church instrument,
后来又被爵士乐手和布鲁斯乐手采用的乐器。 which is then adapted by jazz musicians and blues musicians.
而我设法将它仿佛硬塞进了一个硬摇滚乐队里。 and I manage to kind of shoehorn into a hard rock band.
我要解放管风琴，让它不再仅仅藏在音乐的背景里， I wanted to emancipate the organ from being something just set in the background,
妆点音符。 and colour the sound.
我要创造出那种强硬的声音。 I wanted to create that hard sound.
你看，我现在终于拥有了能和 Ritchie同台飙琴的东西。 and here now finally I had something that could compete with Ritchie,you see.
你们那个时代的音乐经历过相当重的时期， You had some pretty heavy periods at that time,
说到安息日和齐柏林飞船，但是 speaking of Sabbath and Zeppelin, but
我认为有一种东西让你们独树一帜，那就是 I think one thing that set you guys apart was that
你们那包罗万象的音乐中真正的复杂性。 real complexity in that expansiveness of the music.
我们有种真诚的信念，即兴创作是音乐的一部分。 We have the geniune belief that improvisation was part of the music.
而且确实，我们经常是这样想出音乐的。 and indeed, it was very often was how we came up with the music.
当你去看深紫的演出，你会有种很特别的感觉。 When you went to a Purple's show，you were getting something very special.
因为他们的演出永远不会重复。 Because it was never gonna sound the same.
我认为即兴演出绝对是它不同于其他乐队的关键所在。 I think improvisation was definitely a key thing to put in it apart from the other bands.
我不认为安息日会这样做，其他乐队也很少这样做， I don't think Sabbath sounds that, and there wasn't many bands carrying that,
唯有深紫是这样。 and Purples only did.
我们有着很棒的自由度， We had that wonderful freedom，
能让我们专注于舞台上，而不是付钱看演出的顾客。 which is to go out on stage from the paying customers.
我们会说：“坚持你的想法，她会喜欢我们的演出。我不知道接下来会发生什么，但 And saying:"Hang on to your head, she gonna like what we gonna do here. We don't know what we gonna do, but
我知道你会喜欢它。” we know you gonna like it. "
深紫乐队不只是伟大的即兴演奏家， Deep Purple weren't just great improvisors.
他们的歌曲“Somke On the Water”里面包含着重金属最著名的重复乐段。 The song "Smoke On The Water" contains heavy metal's most famous riff.
它将深紫推向了英国畅销唱片第一名。 Which took Purple to No.1 on the UK's charts.
那么这个重复乐段背后的故事是什么？ So what's the story behind the riff,
乐队成员又对自己被视为重金属音乐领军人物有什么看法？ and how do the band members feel about being considered the leader of heavy metal music?
Ritchie 开始弹一个重复乐段， Ritchie started playing a riff,
我不知道他是事先想好的，还是信手拈来， I don't know if he had it before hand or what he just came to instantly,
我们加入进来，然后一起编曲。 We all joined in, and put together arrangement.
总共大概花了4分钟。 it took all of maybe four minutes.
你有了这段惊人的简单而琅琅上口的乐段， you had this amazingly simple catchy riff,
你就会得出一个很聪明的结论：它还要有一段故事。 you had quite clever consequence, you had a story.
大多数伟大的歌曲都有自己的故事。 Most great songs have stories.
这还得依靠Roger的智慧， and there really was the genius of Roger,
他说：“瞧瞧，我们已经找到一个重大事件了。” He said "Look, we've found a major occurrence here."
我们随即想起了那个我们本来准备录唱片的地方，宽敞而且景色优美，却被烧毁了。 We came to recall the place we gonna record, a beautiful big place just burnt down.
我们找到故事了。“我们要把整个故事讲出来。” We got all this story. "Let's tell the story of the whole thing."
它有种跨越界限的广泛感染力， It had been of a crossover appeal.
一下子把你们推上了曝光度和人气的天梯。 kind of moves you guys up a ladder in terms of exposure and popularity.
直到今天我仍感到惊奇， It amazed me till this day,
一支关于一场事故的歌， that a song about such specific incident,
居然有广泛的感染力。 has such general appeal.
很多人遇见我跟我说：“嘿， 这是我学吉他后练的第一首歌。” most people came over to me and said:"Hey, this is the first thing I play on guitar."
我们无论走到哪里都能听到这样的言论。 I hear that everywhere we go..
而且音乐商店也遭了秧，你知道， and you got music stores to suffer like that, you know,
不是在放“Smoke On The Water”,就是“Stairway To Heaven”。 There was "Smoke On The Water" or "Stairway To Heaven".
你就能听到这两首。 Those two you got.
那是个恭维的挖苦，但是很绝妙。 and that's a backhanded compliment but a great one.
在七十年代早期，你们是否将自己看作一个重金属乐队？ At the time in that early 70s' period, did you see yourselves as a heavy metal band?
我们只自称为硬摇滚乐队。 We just called ourselves a hard rock band.
金属只是我们和其他几个乐队创造出的一个方面。 Metal is one facet of what us and a couple of other bands created.
它是我们作品中肮脏的一面, it is the nasty side of what we do,
但我们还有其他很多东西和金属毫无联系。 but there is also other stuff we do which is not anyway connected to that.
我一直以为，深紫引爆了舞台上的炸药桶和喧哗， I always thought that purple inspires all the bomb bags and the loudness on stage.
我也一直以为，他们的一只脚似乎被拖入了布鲁斯之中。 I always thought they have one foot just dragging back into the blues somehow.
你知道，很多人都说深紫参与了重金属音乐， And you know some people say the Purple had a hand in heavy metal，
而我也承认，我们本可以成为那些重金属教父的一员， and I could accept that we could be one of the godfathers,
但我蔑视这种亲子关系，那完全不是我们。 but I defy the parenthood and at all that wasn't us.
我们不是重金属之父。 We weren't the parents.
尽管深紫乐队在重型音乐的拓展方面起的作用很小， Despite Deep Purple's played a little role of expanding sound of heavy music,
就像安息日和齐柏林飞船——他们没有将自己的音乐定义为重金属。 much like Sabbath and Zeppelin—— they didn't define their sound as heavy metal.
不过这些乐队毫无疑问开拓了 But now that these bands undeniably forge
重型音乐的新方向， the new direction in heavy music,
那么硬摇滚在七十年代的英国 What would happen next in the evolution
接下来又会进化成什么样子？ of 70s' hard rock in England?
七十年代早期，伴随着 After the gound-breaking records
黑色安息日，齐柏林飞船还有深紫乐队发行了一张张里程碑式的专辑， of Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple in the early 70s,
英国硬摇滚音乐开始发生转变， The sound of British hard rock started shift,
我总想知道为什么这些乐队渐渐远离了 and I've always wanted to know why these bands drifted away
那种充满侵略性的标志性声音。 from the iconic aggressive sound.
在“Master of Reality”之后，我们希望有机会能 After "Master of Reality"， we wanted to bring chance to
尝试一点不同的音乐，于是买了键盘等东西，然后 get a bit of different sound and move...buying keyboard and stuff like that. So that
Tony 的钢琴弹得越来越好。 Tony was getting good at playing the piano.
我们就准备更进一步尝试新的东西。 And we just wanted to experiment a bit more.
在“Vol. 4”和“Sabbath Bloody Sabbath”发行的那段时间， By the time "Vol. 4" ,"Sabbath Bloody Sabbath",
我们想，“我们多花点时间在录音棚里吧！” we thought of, you know, "let's spend a bit more time in the studio!"
那时候我们有足够的钱，你知道，能让我们不用一直巡演， and we had enough money by then to be able to, you know, not be on the road,
能让我们在录音棚里面多呆点时间。 to be able to go into the studio and spend more time.
我们所有人都在成长，我们仍然会受到新的影响， all of us were growing, all of us were still being influenced,
所以我认为我们需要和前三张专辑告个别。 so I think there was a departure from those first three records.
一切都是围绕着音乐， everything was always about the sound,
所以如果我们需要合唱，我们就加入合唱， So we needed a choir, we added a choir, and
如果我需要敲钟（我确实敲过），我就会敲钟。 if I needed to play with bells, which I did, I would play with bells.
所以我们不怎么抗拒 So we have very little resistance
其他的乐器，也不抗拒新的想法。 to going to other instruments, and to new ideas,
你觉得为什么这些乐队开始 Why do you think these bands start
探索新的声音，寻找新的方向？ to explore new sounds and take new directions?
他们在音乐道路上已经走到了某个点，也许无休止地演出相同的音乐、 They've come to the point of course when it probably gets very tiring to play the same
表达相同的情感令他们感到疲惫不堪。他们有着罕见的探索精神， kind of riff and the same feeling.It is one-of-a-sort exploring
而在这种精神的指引下，安息日将键盘乐器纳入了他们专辑之中。 And while in the power of that, Sabbath puting keyboards on their album.
是啊，这是很漂亮的一招，仿佛在说他们根本不在乎别人说什么。 Yeah, that is lovely, which just... just don't really care what anyone says, you know.
因为你知道你在做什么。 Because you know you can do it.
谈一谈当今的传奇摇滚制作人Rick Wakeman，他一直与黑色安息日乐队合作。 here is the now legendary pro rock producer Rick wakeman working with Black Sabbath.
你们和他一起共事感觉如何？ What was it like having him work with you guys?
The way came bad, we tried to work this keyboard part out for ages, and just couldn't get it right.
you know we always tried to play. Tony was trying to play, and it just didn't sound right.
We were in a bar, and Rick wakeman came in.
we got tool and rig.
And we asked him in this voice :"What you trying to do?"
and he came into the studio and said: "You mean like this?"...
And we were:"YES!!"
That was it, you know. We got him in the keyboard part.
So Rick was definitely in hands of the music,
and I am glad that we went through that, I am glad that we played with other artists on our records.
Instead of being inside some very scare place about, you know, we changing it too much, you know.
I think creative smash through a lot of what we might have originally being...
-Taking risks? -Yeah, being much taking risks. - Tomando riesgos. - Tomando muchos riesgos.
Adem醩 de Black Sabbath,
la otra banda brit醤ica de hard rock que cambi?
su sonido a principio de los '70
fue Deep Purple.
Las tensiones dentro de la banda llevaron
a una nueva formaci髇 de Mark 3,
presentando al inspirado d鷒 de R&B,
Glenn Hughes y David Coverdale.
縀n qu?cambi?la banda cuando entraste?
Llev?un elemento de soul.
Los tres discos que m醩 o韆 cuando entr?a Deep Purple
eran "There's a Riot Goin' On" de Sly & The Family Stone,
"Live" de Donny Hathaway y "Music Of My Mind" de Steve Wonder.
Era un gran fan del hard rock
pero quer韆 llevar canciones que tuvieran un elemento blues.
Los vi en la cima de "Machine Head"
me parecieron interesantes, 鷑icos y quer韆 ser su fan.
De la nada me pidieron unirme.
No estaba del todo convencido de la m鷖ica que tocar韆
pero sabiendo que David iba conmigo,
supe que habr韆 una nueva estructura
en la composici髇 y el canto.
Yo no intentaba realmente
lograr la onda met醠ica de Purple,
pero Purple estaba cambiando radicalmente.
Bandas como Purple, Sabbath, Zeppelin
exist韆n desde el '68 o '69
pero en el '72 o '73, es casi una generaci髇 para el rock and roll.
Se sent韆 que deb韆 renovarse.
Todos eran muy famosos y ricos,
viv韆n en limousines y penthouses,
el rock estaba siendo tratado como una especie de
m鷖ica cl醩ica.
A mediados de los '70, bandas como Deep Purple y Black Sabbath
ya no estaban en la vanguardia de la m鷖ica pesada inglesa.
Eso creo un espacio para algo nuevo.
Y surgi?un nuevo sonido para la nueva generaci髇 del rock.
Ese sonido fue el glam rock.
La m鷖ica de fines de los '60
no ten韆n un look identificable.
Si piensas, no muchas de estas bandas
ten韆n una imagen demasiado visual.
Solo ve韆s cortes de cabello y nariz.
Entonces me parece
que al querer adornar
al rock comercial de fines de los '60
fue donde entraron bandas como Sweet.
El glam rock fue muy fuerte en esa 閜oca.
Bandas como Sweet ten韆n un estilo muy pesado
porque giraban alrededor de la guitarra, bajo y bater韆
pero al mismo tiempo adoptaron una apariencia gay
como Marc Bonam y David Bowie.
Y ten韆n discos exitosos
como Deep Purple y Led Zeppelin.
縋or qu?crees que los fans se alejaban
de la actitud seria de "vamos a cambiar el mundo"
hacia una m醩 "queremos ir a un show y pasarla bien"?
Inglaterra pasaba por una 閜oca dif韈il
durante el periodo del glam rock.
Protestas, marchas, muchas huelgas...
pero generalmente cuando pasa eso, el pop se levanta
y la gente generalmente quiere divertirse
para alejarse de todo lo que les pasa.
Probablemente fuimos afortunados de ser el escape
para sus frustraciones.
El glam rock estaba muy ligado a la moda
y hab韆 una generaci髇 de chicos
que no se preocupaban por la guerra de Vietnam,
la muerte, el apocalipsis y la destrucci髇.
Lo que les preocupaba era comprar
el pr髕imo disco exitoso de David Bowie o T-Rex.
Es un sonido alegre, una m鷖ica fiestera.
Aunque el glam rock estaba explotando en Inglaterra
y el heavy metal parec韆 estar en un parate
hubo un hard rockero brit醤ico
que ayud?a resurgir la m鷖ica pesada a mediados de los '70:
Ritchie Blackmore.
La nueva banda de Ritchie, Rainbow,
estaba lejos del sonido funk de Deep Purple.
縋or qu?form?Rainbow y volvi?al sonido m醩 pesado?
縋or qu?Ritchie dej?Purple para hacer algo m醩 pesado con Rainbow?
Creo que a Ritchie no le gust?la cosa de supergroove
que David y yo, y de hecho Paice y Jon Lord hac韆mos.
Cuando grab醔amos "Stormbringer"
Ritchie ya ten韆 en mente
dejar eso y hacer m鷖ica malvada.
Yo comet?el error de poner "Stormbringer"
y recuerdo que 閘 lo sac? y lo tir?por la ventana.
No le interesaba para nada esa etapa de Purple.
Desde el primer ensayo fue evidente
que quer韆 un sonido m醩 crudo que nunca.
縈e cuentas de las influencias cl醩icas...?
縇as que trajo Ritchie?
蒷 naci?500 a駉s tarde.
Su pasi髇 siempre fue el siglo XVI
pero a 100.000 decibeles.
A veces hac韆 un solo en vivo
que resultaba asombroso su habilidad con las escalas.
Nunca escuch?algo as?
Adem醩 de la guitarra medieval de Ritchie Blackmore
Rainbow tambi閚 contaba con uno de los vocalistas
m醩 poderosos en la historia del heavy metal:
Ronnie James Dio.
Por suerte pude conocer a Ronnie en su casa de L.A.
unos a駉s antes de su muerte en el 2010.
Y le pregunt?por sus influencias en la voz del metal.
Yo veo mi m鷖ica como
algo del hombre peque駉.
Porque la m鷖ica met醠ica siempre fue menospreciada
y obviamente afectar?a la gente menospreciada.
Siempre escrib?sobre eso, m醩 que nada.
Ten韆 su propia voz, d閖ame decirlo as?
Fue le primero en combinar la hechicer韆 tipo "El Se駉r de los Anillos"
ya sabes, un brujo volando,
un pu駉 emergiendo del oce醤o para atrapar un arcoiris,
todas estas cosas fantasiosas, con el hard rock.
Dragones...
y cosas medievales, todo lo que ves en mi casa
son parte importante de mi vida.
Desde muy chico le?todo sobre dragones, caballeros,
damas en apuros, grandes obras de ciencia ficci髇...
Ten韆 que crear lo que me inspiraban esas im醙enes.
Por eso, despu閟 de escribir y escribir,
decid?poner todo lo que le?sobre fantas韆
lo que te hace pensar "緿e qu?est?hablando?"
Quiero que la gente use su imaginaci髇 como yo lo hice,
y que creen sus propios dragones.
La fantas韆 de Ronnie James Dio se convirti?
en parte fundamental de muchas bandas contempor醤eas.
Pero la primera banda en crear el sonido del metal moderno
y en identificarse como una verdadera banda de heavy metal
fue Judas Priest.
Cuando volvemos a los dos primeros discos,
縠n qu?crees que "Sad Wings..." se diferencia de "Rocka Rolla"?
La diferencia es que entre el primero y el segundo,
la banda creci?muy r醦ido.
Algunos temas de "Rocka Rolla" ya eran estables en el repertorio;
cuando llegamos a "Sad "Wings...",
hab韆 un crecimiento en marcha.
Tiene un sonido muy met醠ico,
comparado con los discos de Sabbath de esos a駉s.
- 緾髆o lo hicieron? - Los primeros discos de Sabbath
fueron hechos en muy poco tiempo.
B醩icamente tocaron en vivo, se grabaron,
tal vez las voces pasaron por una consola, y eso fue todo.
"Sad Wings..." llev?unos meses de muchos overdubs;
es orquestado, excepto que en vez de una orquesta
tenemos bajo, guitarra y bater韆,
pero arreglados como m鷖ica cl醩ica.
Eso es heavy metal.
Judas Priest representa un giro indiscutible
que se aleja de las ra韈es bluseras del metal.
Sus cambios de acordes y progresiones
no se basan para nada en el estilo del blues.
Se convirtieron en un metal distintivo
que realmente no ten韆 antecedentes.
Era un nuevo estilo.
緾髆o se inspiraron para usar dos guitarras
de la manera en que ustedes lo hacen?
Hab韆 una banda que ten韆 dos guitarristas,
no eran particularmente heavy,
pero nos pareci? una buena idea
porque sonaba m醩 lleno.
Era casi como un efecto est閞eo sobre el escenario.
Nos entusiasm?mucho.
Hubieron bandas, antes de Judas Priest, con dos guitarristas
pero parecen disociados uno del otro,
solamente dos guitarras en la banda,
como Brad Whitford y Joe Perry
o Keith Richards y el guitarrista que fuese.
Las guitarras gemelas que se unen en un s髄ido riff
nacen con Judas Priest.
Era algo que nunca hab韆 escuchado antes.
Tipton te arrancaba la cabeza.
Sus punteos sacaban ampollas.
Y K. K. era el loco,
levantando la Flying V y tocando en el aire...
Las influencias de Judas Priest en el metal moderno
van m醩 all?que las guitarras gemelas.
Tambien instituyeron el look que ser韆 el uniforme
de la cultura heavy metal.
Una cosa es la m鷖ica, y otra es lo visual
para que toda la gente te identifique.
Ese look representa totalmente a esta m鷖ica.
Todo nuestro vestuario es negro.
Nunca me ver醩 con algo que no sea negro.
Mucahs bandas raras hab韆n usado chaquetas de cuero, jeans y otras cosas,
preo t?sent韆s el entusiasmo de algo fresco
cuando el p鷅lico reconoc韆 que era algo nuevo, era metal.
Los 3 grandes nunca se identificaron o adoptaron
el concepto de heavy metal. Pero ustedes...
lo planearon.
Hubo una 閜oca en que la gente no nos ve韆 como heavy metal
pero los Priest siempre estuvimos orgullosos
de levantar la bandera del metal.
Siempre cre韒os en nosotros
y estuvimos seguros de lo que quer韆mos hacer.
As?que s? desde el principio
quisimos ser conocidos por eso.
Judas Priest era heavy metal.
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