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(static)
(crickets chirping)
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(footsteps)
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(girl breathing heavily)
(running footsteps)
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(static)
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(girl whimpers)
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(footsteps stop)
(girl panting)
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(static)
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Girl:
Hey! Over here!
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(static stops)
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(girl panting)
(crickets chirping)
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(twig snaps)
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(girl panting)
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Girl:
Please!
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(girl grunts)
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(feedback)
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(static)
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(girl screams)
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(computer mouse clicks)
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(ominous music playing)
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(sirens approaching)
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♪ ♪
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(sirens approaching)
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Dispatcher on phone:
911, what is the address
of your emergency?
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Officer: Waukesha County,
I'm gonna transfer over
a caller on Big Bend.
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That's a dead end
just south of Rivera.
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Dispatcher: Okay.
Officer: He came upon
a 12-year-old female.
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She appears
to have been stabbed.
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Dispatcher:
She appears to be what?
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Officer: Stabbed.
Dispatcher: Stabbed?
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Officer:
Correct.
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On Saturday, May 31st, 2014,
at approximately 9:50 a.m.,
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the Waukesha
Police Department
was notified
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by a concerned
citizen
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that a 12-year-old girl
was stabbed
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in the area
of Big Bend Road
in the city of Waukesha.
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Female reporter:
The stabbing brought a huge
police presence to the area,
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a major search
by ground and air
looking for two other girls.
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Anissa Weier
and Morgan Geyser
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are accused
of stabbing their friend
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and leaving her for dead.
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Male reporter:
Weier and Geyser lured Payton
into the woods
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Male reporter 2:
Police say that's when Geyser,
holding the knife,
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was told by Weier,
"Go ballistic, go crazy."
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♪ ♪
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Attorney:
And what happened?
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Payton said,
"Then she started."
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Male reporter 3:
Geyser began to stab
the 12-year-old,
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as she screamed, 19 times
with a five-inch blade.
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Sheriff: In the arms,
legs, and torso.
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Male reporter:
One of the knife wounds
missed a major artery
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near her heart
by just a millimeter.
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♪ ♪
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Female reporter 2:
Payton somehow survived.
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She crawled out
of those woods.
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Female reporter 3:
A bicyclist found her
on the sidewalk,
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covered in blood
and begging for help.
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When asked who attacked her,
she said, "My best friend."
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Police say the suspects
were inspired by a character
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on a website
called Creepypasta,
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a site filled
with scary stories.
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Now, the story they followed
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was about a character
called Slenderman.
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A tall, fictional boogeyman
featured on Internet blogs.
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Slenderman, a faceless ghoul
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many parents have likely
never heard of.
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Female reporter 4:
If you don't know
who Slenderman is--
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well, we didn't either,
but plenty of young kids do.
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If you don't know
who Slenderman is,
you live under a rock.
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Who's that?
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(static)
(boy yelling)
Run! Run! Run!
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Oh my god, run! No, run!
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Boy 2:
Oh my god!
Girl: Oh my god!
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Male reporter 2:
Anissa Weier and Morgan Geyser
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were found walking
near the interstate.
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They later told police
they planned to walk
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to Slenderman's mansion.
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Female reporter 5:
Police say it's also who
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the young suspects claimed
they wanted to please.
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Detective Trussoni:
Anissa felt as though
she needed to prove
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that Slenderman existed
and would be able to do that
by killing somebody.
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And Morgan said
that her family would be
in danger if they didn't.
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Prosecutors have charged
the girls as adults.
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If convicted on the charges,
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each 12-year-old faces
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up to 65 years in prison.
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(static)
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(Morgan speaks
matter-of-factly)
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(Detective Casey speaks)
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(Morgan speaks)
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♪ ♪
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(Detective Trussoni
speaking on video)
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(crying)
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(Casey speaks
matter-of-factly)
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(Morgan speaks
on video)
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(Casey speaks)
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(Morgan speaks)
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(Casey speaks)
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(Morgan speaking)
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♪ ♪
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Attorney: Did it seem
to you at any point during
your interview with Morgan
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that she was remorseful
about what she had done?
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Absolutely none.
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Attorney:
Did she cry at all at any point
during your interview of her?
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There was no emotion
from her at all.
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♪ ♪
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Attorney:
Did you, after discussing
the incident itself,
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have any conversation
with Payton
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about how she felt
about Morgan and Anissa
at this point?
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She said
that Morgan should go to jail
for the rest of her life...
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and that Anissa should
go to jail too, but not as long
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because she was involved
but she didn't stab her.
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She just stood there
and watched.
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♪ ♪
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Angie Geyser on video:
Hi, Morgan.
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(babbles)
Angie:
Hi, Morgan.
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(discordant notes)
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Angie:
Morgan was a surprise.
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And I didn't know how to feel
about it at first...
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but I knew that I loved her.
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Yay!
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Angie:
And she changed
our lives drastically
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and for the better.
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(babbles)
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Angie:
Morgan's always been quirky,
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and she's always marched
to the beat of her own drum.
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Even from--
from little on...
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she didn't care
what people think about her,
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which I think is
a wonderful trait,
especially for-- for a girl.
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Girls are usually so--
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so self-conscious
and concerned about--
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about what others think of them,
and Morgan was never like that.
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You know, she just...
(sighs)
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She always just did
her own thing,
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and if people didn't like it,
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well, that was
their problem.
(chuckles)
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Kitties and puppies
aren't wild animals.
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Angie:
No, that's right.
They're not. They're pets.
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Angie:
I had a camera in her face
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for a good portion
of her childhood,
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so I think she got sick
of it sometimes.
(mimics meowing)
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She got a real
miniature baby grand piano
for Christmas one year.
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(playing music, singing)
And she would sit there
for quite a long time,
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just making up
sweet little songs.
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And we tried
to capture as many of them
as we could on video,
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but usually as soon
as she realized that
we were paying attention
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or recording her,
she would stop.
(chuckles)
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♪ They'll stay stray forever ♪
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(crying, sniffles)
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One thing about Morgan
that always struck us...
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as a little...
odd was that she...
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(sighs)
She didn't react the way
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that you would
expect her to react...
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like at the movies.
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Like, if something bad happened
to the main character, she...
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she wouldn't
have empathy for them.
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♪ ♪
Bambi, come here!
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Look.
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New spring grass.
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Angie:
I remember watching "Bambi"
with her for the first time.
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We were so worried
to watch it with her,
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because we thought
she was gonna be so upset
when-- when the mother died.
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♪ ♪
Bambi, quick! The thicket!
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(gunshot)
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Faster! Faster, Bambi!
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Don't look back!
Keep running! Keep running!
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(gunshot)
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But the mother died,
and Morgan just said,
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"Run Bambi, run!
Get out of there,
save yourself!"
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(laughs) You know?
And she wasn't sad about it.
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♪ ♪
(panting)
We made it!
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We made it, Mother!
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We...
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Mother!
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And I could think of...
(sniffles)
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a lot of other examples
along those lines
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where she hasn't reacted
in the way
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that we would expect
a little girl to react.
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♪ ♪
(static)
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Angie:
We were aware that Morgan
was interested in Slenderman.
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(distorted scream)
(static)
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She would show us
some of the characters
and some of the stories.
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While I wasn't thrilled
about her interest,
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I didn't really see
the harm in it either.
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We never thought
for a moment that she...
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She could possibly believe
that it was real.
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When I was
Morgan's age, I--
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I remember
biking home from the library
with Stephen King's "It."
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You know, so I liked
that sort of thing too
when I was her age,
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and I think most kids
her age do like scary stories
and horror movies and...
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scary stories
on the Internet, you know?
So, that's all that we--
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that's all that
we thought that it was.
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I just can't imagine her...
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I can't imagine her coming up
with that plan on her own.
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♪ My bonnie... ♪
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♪ My bonnie lies
over the ocean ♪
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♪ My bonnie
lies over the sea ♪
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♪ My bonnie lies
over the ocean ♪
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♪ So bring back
my bonnie to me ♪
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(birds chirping)
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♪ Bring back, bring back ♪
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♪ Oh, bring back
my bonnie to me ♪
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♪ Bring back! ♪
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♪ Bring back ♪
♪ Back ♪
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♪ Oh, bring back
my bonnie to me ♪
♪ Bonnie... me ♪
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(mouse clicking)
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Bill Weier: She lost
a tooth, so the tooth fairy
gave her a dollar.
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It was that tooth.
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I was telling her--
I was like, "A dollar?"
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I said,
"I only ever got quarters
from the tooth fairy."
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(chuckles)
She was happy.
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The tooth fairy
gave her a dollar.
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(mouse clicks)
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This was
the last video
I have.
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This was at the end of her
sixth grade year for school.
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Choir:
♪ Hush, hush,
somebody's callin' my name ♪
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♪ Hush! Somebody's
callin' my name ♪
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♪ Hush, hush,
somebody's callin' my name ♪
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♪ Oh my Lord, oh my Lord,
what should I do? ♪
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(Bill sighs)
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Yes, this is Anissa's
very pink bedroom.
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At the time
that we painted this,
pink was the thing.
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(purring)
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Anissa's his person.
Tiger is Anissa's cat.
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After Anissa left...
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he would come up here
and he'd spend a lot of time
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just walking around,
nosing around,
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looking for Anissa.
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You know, nobody uses...
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the bed while she's gone.
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I don't know,
maybe the cat does, but...
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I guess it just made more sense
to take everything apart
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and wash it
and when she comes home,
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it's all clean
and ready to go.
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It's just a matter of when.
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She would come
in here to practice choir.
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She did projects
that she would have to FaceTime
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with two or three
different kids
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from this flight academy class
she was in.
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'Cause I'd pop in
on a regular basis.
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I'd just you know,
"What are you doing?"
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I see a face on the iPad.
"Okay, who are you talking to?"
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You know, "What are
you guys working on?"
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And then you know, most days...
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you know, 7:30, "Anissa,
you're done with your iPad.
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Shut it down,
come downstairs,
be with your family."
246
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And she never argued.
247
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People have asked me if I saw
any signs in my daughter
and this and that.
248
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And I'm just like,
"No. I knew what
she was doing in here.
249
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Because when she wasn't doing
her choir practice,
that door was open."
250
00:16:10,804 --> 00:16:12,354
You know, all of the kids--
251
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not just Anissa,
all of them--
they know...
252
00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:18,734
there's no closed doors
in this house unless you're...
253
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fresh out of the shower
or getting ready for bed.
254
00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:23,395
So...
255
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for people to say...
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I wasn't involved...
257
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Apart from sitting
in the corner and watching
every move she makes,
258
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I don't know how much
more involved I could've been.
259
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♪ ♪
260
00:16:42,168 --> 00:16:43,958
My focus is Anissa...
261
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not Slenderman.
262
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♪ ♪
263
00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:34,179
(cameras clicking)
(chains clinking)
264
00:17:41,853 --> 00:17:43,393
Forensics man on video:
And what is your name?
265
00:17:43,438 --> 00:17:46,148
Anissa Weier.
Anissa, okay.
266
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(camera clicking)
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00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:50,070
Okay, Just kind of...
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give me a look.
Give me a look.
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♪ ♪
270
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(man whispers)
Morgan.
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How you doing?
Morgan:
Fine.
272
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Man:
Come on up.
273
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,840
(forensics man speaking
on video)
274
00:18:15,053 --> 00:18:17,723
(Morgan speaks)
Morgan, all right.
275
00:18:32,403 --> 00:18:35,073
(people whispering)
276
00:18:41,371 --> 00:18:42,871
(Morgan speaks
on video)
277
00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,254
(Casey speaking)
278
00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:48,633
(Morgan speaking)
279
00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:58,046
(Casey speaks)
280
00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:20,281
(Anissa speaks)
281
00:19:20,326 --> 00:19:21,446
(Trussoni speaks)
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Hmm.
283
00:19:32,130 --> 00:19:33,170
Okay.
284
00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:38,259
Bailiff:
All rise, please.
285
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Judge Bohren:
I thank you. Please be seated.
286
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Court will call the matter,
State of Wisconsin versus
Morgan E. Geyser
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and also State versus
Anissa E. Weier.
288
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Good morning.
The case is here today
on a number of matters.
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The first matter
I'll address is the issue
of... competency.
290
00:20:05,246 --> 00:20:07,826
(Trussoni speaking
on video)
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00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,542
(Anissa speaks)
They're glad--
they're--
292
00:20:12,962 --> 00:20:14,212
(crying)
293
00:20:27,143 --> 00:20:29,233
(Casey speaking)
294
00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:35,233
(Morgan speaks)
295
00:20:41,032 --> 00:20:42,412
(Morgan speaks on video)
(Casey speaks)
296
00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:51,712
Morgan on video:
Uhh...
297
00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:56,747
(matter-of-factly)
298
00:20:59,884 --> 00:21:01,724
(Trussoni speaks)
299
00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:09,266
(crying)
So...
♪ ♪
300
00:21:11,229 --> 00:21:13,059
(no discernible dialog)
301
00:21:19,821 --> 00:21:22,281
There was a sleepover
the prior night
302
00:21:22,323 --> 00:21:24,413
for Morgan's 12th birthday.
303
00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:30,040
We knew that
there was Anissa, Morgan,
304
00:21:30,081 --> 00:21:34,381
and a third girl
that we've never met...
305
00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:39,420
and that they were all
at Morgan's house.
306
00:21:39,465 --> 00:21:41,755
Angie:
Morgan and Anissa have
only known each other
307
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since they started
sixth grade.
308
00:21:44,095 --> 00:21:46,675
They met because they--
they rode the same bus.
309
00:21:46,723 --> 00:21:48,513
♪ ♪
310
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We were so happy
that Morgan had made
a good friend
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so-- so close, someone else
in the neighborhood.
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00:21:57,275 --> 00:22:00,855
(sniffles) We were--
we were so happy for her...
313
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to have someone
to play with.
314
00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:05,952
♪ ♪
315
00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:11,999
(Trussoni speaks
on video)
316
00:22:19,464 --> 00:22:21,304
(sniffles)
317
00:22:22,216 --> 00:22:23,376
Uh-huh.
Okay.
318
00:22:23,426 --> 00:22:26,636
My name is Bella,
and I was nominated
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00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:29,509
to do the Ice Bucket Challenge
for ALS by...
320
00:22:29,557 --> 00:22:32,977
Morgan and Bella have known
each other since kindergarten,
321
00:22:33,019 --> 00:22:36,649
and they've been best friends
since fourth grade.
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00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:39,189
Man:
Are you guys ready?
I guess.
323
00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:40,363
Man: Let's go.
One, two, three.
324
00:22:40,401 --> 00:22:45,201
One, two, three.
(woman moans)
325
00:22:45,239 --> 00:22:46,989
(screams)
Oh my god!
326
00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:51,448
(Casey speaking)
327
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:54,460
(Morgan speaks)
328
00:23:00,671 --> 00:23:01,711
Umm...
329
00:23:08,346 --> 00:23:09,676
(crying)
330
00:23:15,019 --> 00:23:16,019
Okay.
331
00:23:27,198 --> 00:23:28,698
♪ ♪
332
00:23:31,452 --> 00:23:33,202
(Anissa speaking
on video)
333
00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:44,379
(Casey speaks)
334
00:23:45,341 --> 00:23:46,671
(Morgan speaks)
335
00:24:06,863 --> 00:24:09,203
(Trussoni speaks
on video)
336
00:24:11,284 --> 00:24:12,284
Anissa:
Umm...
337
00:24:22,712 --> 00:24:24,252
♪ ♪
338
00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:33,925
(clears throat)
339
00:25:31,906 --> 00:25:35,276
♪ ♪
340
00:25:38,746 --> 00:25:40,826
(Anissa speaking)
341
00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:19,365
(Morgan speaks
matter-of-factly)
342
00:26:44,854 --> 00:26:46,024
(sniffles)
343
00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:56,530
♪ ♪
344
00:27:04,665 --> 00:27:06,615
(Skype startup noise)
345
00:27:06,667 --> 00:27:09,077
(ringing)
346
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,170
Irene:
Hello, Dr. Zipes!
347
00:27:14,216 --> 00:27:17,586
I-- I don't have--
I-- uh, wait.
348
00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:22,179
(clicks)
Hello?
349
00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:24,854
Actually, the quality
seems fine on my end.
350
00:27:24,894 --> 00:27:28,854
And yeah, my Skype is
just not having it today.
351
00:27:28,898 --> 00:27:31,018
You-- have we started now?
352
00:27:31,067 --> 00:27:34,487
Irene:
Yes, yes.
When-- when did we start?
353
00:27:34,528 --> 00:27:35,778
Man: Hello.
Hello.
354
00:27:35,821 --> 00:27:37,531
Man:
How are you?
Good.
355
00:27:37,573 --> 00:27:38,993
Man:
Who are you
Skyping with?
356
00:27:39,033 --> 00:27:41,873
Someone-- I'm getting
interviewed for a documentary.
357
00:27:41,911 --> 00:27:45,701
Okay, then--
what-- so let's start--
start with the question then.
358
00:27:45,748 --> 00:27:48,328
♪ ♪
359
00:28:00,054 --> 00:28:03,014
Trevor Blank:
Slenderman is
the modern-day boogeyman.
360
00:28:05,643 --> 00:28:08,193
Because it's faceless,
because it's quiet,
361
00:28:08,229 --> 00:28:10,099
because it doesn't speak words,
362
00:28:10,147 --> 00:28:12,227
it's open to a lot
of interpretation
363
00:28:12,274 --> 00:28:15,074
and open
to a lot of possibilities
and to a lot of projection.
364
00:28:15,111 --> 00:28:17,401
It varies
from person to person
365
00:28:17,446 --> 00:28:19,816
as to what
Slenderman actually is.
366
00:28:19,865 --> 00:28:21,905
♪ ♪
367
00:28:21,951 --> 00:28:23,991
He's the creature
that lives in my closet.
368
00:28:26,497 --> 00:28:29,667
He's the guy
in the windowless white van.
369
00:28:31,085 --> 00:28:34,705
The faceless stranger
who kidnaps kids.
370
00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:45,813
It encapsulates,
symbolically,
371
00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:47,720
a lot of these other
kind of societal fears
372
00:28:47,768 --> 00:28:49,598
that we've had
for ages and ages
373
00:28:49,645 --> 00:28:51,395
and kind of conveniently
wraps them up
374
00:28:51,439 --> 00:28:53,519
and makes it really malleable.
375
00:28:53,566 --> 00:28:57,686
Because, really,
Slenderman can be whomever
you want him to be.
376
00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:06,536
(mouse clicks)
377
00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:09,199
♪ ♪
378
00:29:09,248 --> 00:29:11,708
(keyboard clacking)
379
00:29:37,443 --> 00:29:38,613
(mouse clicks)
380
00:29:49,538 --> 00:29:51,248
Blank:
We can empirically look back
381
00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:54,000
and find out where
Slenderman was created.
382
00:29:54,043 --> 00:29:56,843
It was created
in 2009 by Eric Knudsen
383
00:29:56,879 --> 00:29:58,879
under the screen name
"Victor Surge"
384
00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:00,923
as part
of a Photoshop contest
385
00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:02,216
to try to create something
386
00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:04,219
that looked real
that really wasn't.
387
00:30:06,555 --> 00:30:10,385
Brad Kim:
Urban legends on the Internet
has been a thing for decades.
388
00:30:10,434 --> 00:30:12,354
♪ ♪
389
00:30:12,394 --> 00:30:13,984
There was already
a base audience
390
00:30:14,021 --> 00:30:17,481
that was ready
for a globalized project
391
00:30:17,525 --> 00:30:20,105
to kind of build a myth.
392
00:30:22,571 --> 00:30:25,111
It actually began
with the games
393
00:30:25,157 --> 00:30:27,027
that spun off
from Slenderman.
394
00:30:27,076 --> 00:30:29,156
♪ ♪
395
00:30:29,203 --> 00:30:31,583
It's so heavily
visually oriented
396
00:30:31,622 --> 00:30:35,582
that it's replicable
without really having
397
00:30:35,626 --> 00:30:38,286
to understand
too much cultural context.
398
00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:40,837
(footsteps)
(crickets chirping)
399
00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:42,591
Kim:
And from there,
400
00:30:42,633 --> 00:30:46,183
it spread
to every available platform
401
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:47,800
and medium on the web.
402
00:30:49,265 --> 00:30:50,305
Tumblr...
403
00:30:51,308 --> 00:30:52,308
DeviantArt...
404
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:55,230
YouTube...
405
00:30:55,271 --> 00:30:57,601
and also the 4chan's
Paranormal Board.
406
00:30:58,566 --> 00:31:00,066
All of these websites have
407
00:31:00,109 --> 00:31:05,449
a really strong affinity
with fan art in general.
408
00:31:05,489 --> 00:31:08,699
(mouse clicks)
(man breathes heavily,
speaks German)
409
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:13,370
(speaks German)
410
00:31:15,332 --> 00:31:17,122
"Slender is coming"?
411
00:31:19,169 --> 00:31:20,209
(speaks German)
412
00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,335
Kim: YouTube was
the international hub
413
00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:26,303
for non-English speakers
414
00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:28,723
to kind of break their way
into the myth.
415
00:31:28,762 --> 00:31:30,352
(man speaks Spanish)
416
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:31,849
(man 2 speaks Spanish)
417
00:31:32,933 --> 00:31:34,643
(man 2 breathing hard)
418
00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:35,845
(speaks Spanish)
419
00:31:39,023 --> 00:31:40,863
(Kike speaks)
420
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,189
(grunts)
(distortion)
421
00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:47,570
(retches)
(mouse clicks)
422
00:31:47,615 --> 00:31:49,655
♪ ♪
423
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:52,410
Kim:
Creepypasta is
this generic term
424
00:31:52,453 --> 00:31:54,543
for horror stories
that gets copied
425
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,000
then pasted because it's good.
426
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,290
As it spreads,
people start tweaking
427
00:31:59,335 --> 00:32:02,245
some parts of the story
or pick up where
they left off.
428
00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:06,841
These are stories
that branched out
429
00:32:06,884 --> 00:32:10,764
of the main canon
of Slenderman.
(mouse clicks)
430
00:32:10,804 --> 00:32:13,974
(piano music playing)
431
00:32:14,016 --> 00:32:16,266
Woman:
"Oh, should I travel
through the woods,
432
00:32:18,562 --> 00:32:21,022
"Or should I not
wishing I would?
433
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:25,279
"For above me
lurks within the trees
434
00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:29,568
"No one could hear
my deathly screams
435
00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:34,407
"The palest man,
the blackest suit
436
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:36,753
"Bigger than the tallest brute
437
00:32:40,668 --> 00:32:43,168
"Six black arms
will grab you up
438
00:32:43,212 --> 00:32:45,632
"Or stalk you
till you just give up
439
00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:51,220
"He'll leave your body
not to eat
440
00:32:51,261 --> 00:32:55,101
But to staple
your corpse upon a tree."
441
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,310
(static)
442
00:32:57,351 --> 00:33:01,481
"Fear the man,
the Slenderman
443
00:33:01,522 --> 00:33:03,902
For he can do
what no one can."
444
00:33:03,941 --> 00:33:05,611
♪ ♪
445
00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:11,656
Blank:
Slenderman kind
of represents an opportunity
446
00:33:11,699 --> 00:33:15,409
to see where people
are nervous
447
00:33:15,452 --> 00:33:17,582
about certain things
and what excites them
448
00:33:17,621 --> 00:33:20,541
and what brings them together,
because it changes.
449
00:33:20,582 --> 00:33:22,462
It changes based
on who's telling the story.
450
00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:24,671
♪ ♪
451
00:33:28,716 --> 00:33:30,336
Often in the adult world
452
00:33:30,384 --> 00:33:32,804
we forget how much
it sucks to be a kid.
453
00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:37,810
Slenderman can also be seen
as a guardian angel.
454
00:33:40,144 --> 00:33:44,024
Slenderman is
the Grim Reaper
455
00:33:44,064 --> 00:33:45,814
but with a heart.
456
00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:51,855
These pictures are not
so much him showing up
457
00:33:51,905 --> 00:33:54,865
on the playground
to snatch kids away,
but to rescue them.
458
00:34:01,248 --> 00:34:02,998
Stories like this can be
459
00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:05,421
a powerful aphrodisiac for--
460
00:34:05,461 --> 00:34:08,841
for somebody who is lonely
or is troubled,
461
00:34:08,881 --> 00:34:10,671
or is trying to find
their way in the world.
462
00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:13,006
♪ ♪
463
00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:19,602
Slenderman has
this entire community
of people online
464
00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:21,601
who are feeding
into the narrative
465
00:34:21,643 --> 00:34:23,023
and creating
their own versions of it.
466
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:25,981
It's constantly--
it's exponentially growing.
467
00:34:26,023 --> 00:34:28,823
♪ ♪
468
00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:36,071
Richard Dawkins:
That's the definition
of a good meme.
469
00:34:38,577 --> 00:34:40,487
In human culture,
470
00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:44,867
if it's copied
from one brain to another,
471
00:34:44,917 --> 00:34:46,077
that's a meme.
472
00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:47,576
Hi, my name is Valerie,
473
00:34:47,628 --> 00:34:50,128
and I've decided to do
the Ice Bucket Challenge.
474
00:34:50,172 --> 00:34:52,922
I'm doing the ALS
Ice Bucket Challenge.
475
00:34:52,966 --> 00:34:57,006
I'm here to join
the people bringing attention
to Lou Gehrig's disease.
476
00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:03,557
Dawkins:
It can be an idea.
477
00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:07,192
It can be a tune.
It can be a style of dancing.
478
00:35:07,231 --> 00:35:09,271
Woman: Tired?
Cameraman:
What do you think he's doing?
479
00:35:09,316 --> 00:35:11,266
Planking.
Cameraman:
Oh, you know?
480
00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:12,688
Woman:
Yeah, I do.
Cameraman: Yes!
481
00:35:12,736 --> 00:35:15,146
Woman:
I am from the Internet.
(men laugh)
482
00:35:15,197 --> 00:35:17,197
Dawkins:
The Internet provides
483
00:35:17,241 --> 00:35:20,031
a very, very fast,
efficient, universal,
484
00:35:20,077 --> 00:35:23,947
worldwide medium
for memes to spread.
485
00:35:23,997 --> 00:35:25,287
That'll never catch on.
486
00:35:25,332 --> 00:35:27,292
(anchors laugh)
No doubt.
487
00:35:28,752 --> 00:35:31,502
Dawkins:
There may be
some memes that spread
488
00:35:31,547 --> 00:35:35,877
like a very rapid epidemic
and then die away.
489
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:39,470
But others may have
strong persistence.
490
00:35:39,513 --> 00:35:41,763
(humming)
491
00:35:45,227 --> 00:35:49,597
People are
captivated
by Slenderman
492
00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:55,488
and wish to pass on images
or to modify images of him.
493
00:35:55,529 --> 00:35:56,609
(distortion, static)
494
00:35:58,448 --> 00:36:02,118
This horrifying story
of two girls who thought
495
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,950
that it was
their duty to Slenderman
to go and kill someone.
496
00:36:06,874 --> 00:36:08,624
Well, that's what
I call power.
497
00:36:11,003 --> 00:36:14,503
That's very substantial power,
very horrific power.
498
00:36:15,465 --> 00:36:18,125
(static)
499
00:36:26,143 --> 00:36:27,643
(clicking)
500
00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:32,439
Jack Zipes:
Unconsciously,
Slenderman stems
501
00:36:32,482 --> 00:36:35,482
from a tradition that--
that goes way, way back.
502
00:36:39,823 --> 00:36:45,123
To a great extent,
the Brothers Grimm
collected tales that deal
503
00:36:45,162 --> 00:36:50,172
with what I would call
universal human struggles
504
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:52,248
that we continue
to have today.
505
00:36:52,294 --> 00:36:54,174
I think that's
one of the reasons
506
00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:57,882
why people are
responding to this tale,
507
00:36:57,925 --> 00:36:59,505
and they're telling
their own versions,
508
00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:01,131
their own horror stories
509
00:37:01,178 --> 00:37:04,638
about what is happening
in the world today.
510
00:37:06,433 --> 00:37:09,523
Slenderman is
a tale about a character,
511
00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:13,361
a strange weird character,
who may feed upon children.
512
00:37:14,942 --> 00:37:16,822
It made me think of a legend
513
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:19,280
that Jacob
and Wilhelm Grimm collected
514
00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:22,491
called "The Pied Piper
of Hamelin."
515
00:37:25,118 --> 00:37:30,328
Many years ago a town was
being devastated by rats--
516
00:37:30,374 --> 00:37:32,544
in the gutters...
on the streets...
517
00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:34,714
in the cellars.
518
00:37:37,714 --> 00:37:39,674
The Pied Piper comes
out of nowhere.
519
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:44,176
And he's a very odd,
strange-looking person,
520
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,469
but he has a flute
521
00:37:47,516 --> 00:37:50,766
or some type of pipe
that he plays.
522
00:37:53,063 --> 00:37:58,023
The man said,
"If you want me to get rid
of the rats, you must pay me."
523
00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:01,108
So they said, "Yes,
as much as you want
524
00:38:01,154 --> 00:38:03,154
if you can get rid
of the rats."
525
00:38:03,198 --> 00:38:07,198
The Piper began
blowing on the pipe.
526
00:38:07,244 --> 00:38:09,664
The rats began following.
527
00:38:09,705 --> 00:38:11,535
♪ ♪
528
00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:21,054
The Piper had all the rats
jump into the river.
529
00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:28,762
But the mayor
and the councilmen
cheat him.
530
00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:30,887
And the Piper said,
"You know,
531
00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:33,064
"there are
other tunes
I can pipe
532
00:38:33,103 --> 00:38:35,193
"and ways that
I can repay you
533
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:37,360
in a way that
you will never forget."
534
00:38:37,399 --> 00:38:39,729
♪ ♪
535
00:38:42,279 --> 00:38:45,069
So the Piper took
his pipe to his lips again
536
00:38:45,115 --> 00:38:47,445
and he began piping.
(children playing)
537
00:38:47,492 --> 00:38:52,452
The people froze,
but the children
followed him.
538
00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:58,462
There was an opening,
539
00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:01,633
a sudden opening
in the mountain.
540
00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:05,803
And all the children headed
toward this opening.
541
00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:08,974
And as the last one entered,
542
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,564
the mountain closed,
543
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,930
and the Piper
went inside as well.
544
00:39:18,148 --> 00:39:19,558
(booms)
545
00:39:21,443 --> 00:39:26,323
Depending on the times
and the person who is
telling their version
546
00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:28,204
of "The Pied Piper,"
547
00:39:28,241 --> 00:39:30,331
he can be
many different things.
548
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:31,658
(squeaking)
(stomps)
549
00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:34,003
(polka music plays)
550
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,499
(lively music plays)
551
00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:40,712
(hypnotic music plays)
552
00:39:41,922 --> 00:39:44,552
So he is
a very mysterious figure.
553
00:39:44,591 --> 00:39:47,931
We don't know
whether he's evil or good.
554
00:39:47,969 --> 00:39:51,299
We don't know
whether he's going to do
anything to these children.
555
00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:53,218
The children never return.
556
00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:55,056
Nobody ever hears about them.
557
00:39:55,102 --> 00:39:58,652
(ominous music playing)
558
00:40:04,111 --> 00:40:06,031
But the Pied Piper
does live on.
559
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:36,929
♪ ♪
560
00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:46,190
(Casey speaks)
561
00:40:50,782 --> 00:40:52,412
(Morgan speaks)
562
00:40:55,078 --> 00:40:56,408
Umm...
563
00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:03,419
(car driving)
564
00:41:03,461 --> 00:41:05,461
(Angie sighs)
565
00:41:05,505 --> 00:41:08,715
It's almost like
she was living a whole
nother life inside her head
566
00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:12,298
that we just--
that we just didn't know about.
567
00:41:19,394 --> 00:41:22,444
It's hard with kids because...
568
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,820
they don't necessarily
know how to differentiate
569
00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:29,239
between fantasy
and reality to begin with.
570
00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:32,605
So, it's just hard to know...
571
00:41:32,657 --> 00:41:34,657
where-- where to draw the line.
572
00:41:34,701 --> 00:41:36,451
Where does that become...
573
00:41:37,996 --> 00:41:39,116
abnormal?
574
00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:43,081
So even though, you know,
575
00:41:43,126 --> 00:41:45,586
looking back,
maybe there were some signs.
576
00:41:47,339 --> 00:41:49,299
It's everything in retrospect.
577
00:41:59,809 --> 00:42:03,809
It's been two months
to the day on the calendar
578
00:42:03,855 --> 00:42:08,815
that she's been
in Washington County
Juvenile Detention Center.
579
00:42:09,986 --> 00:42:11,236
The first day was rough.
580
00:42:11,279 --> 00:42:12,489
You know, you get in there...
581
00:42:14,366 --> 00:42:17,946
you have to learn
all your check-in procedures
and everything.
582
00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:23,463
You know, you get back there,
and you don't know
what to expect.
583
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,750
There's you,
there's a pane of glass
with metal bars behind it,
584
00:42:26,795 --> 00:42:29,625
and then...
there's our daughter.
585
00:42:29,673 --> 00:42:31,173
That's how it works.
586
00:42:35,512 --> 00:42:37,472
(Trussoni speaks)
587
00:42:37,514 --> 00:42:39,014
(Anissa speaks)
588
00:43:00,203 --> 00:43:01,373
(mouse clicks)
589
00:43:03,373 --> 00:43:05,163
(mouse wheel clicking)
590
00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:21,394
(clicks)
(clatters)
591
00:43:23,935 --> 00:43:25,015
(keyboard clacks)
592
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,070
(mouse clicks)
593
00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:35,650
♪ ♪
This is the first time
we are trying this.
594
00:43:35,697 --> 00:43:38,197
We got him something.
He doesn't know yet.
595
00:43:38,241 --> 00:43:40,331
It's a little mouse.
You can see him in there.
596
00:43:40,368 --> 00:43:43,828
You ready?
It's the circle of life, okay?
597
00:43:43,872 --> 00:43:45,912
Right, Cole?
Yep.
598
00:43:45,957 --> 00:43:48,117
It's just like
"The Lion King."
(laughs) Yeah.
599
00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:49,378
Woman:
Let's see how he reacts.
600
00:43:49,419 --> 00:43:52,129
It's the same color as the--
as the bathtub.
601
00:43:52,172 --> 00:43:55,762
Look, baby.
Look, baby, look.
602
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,430
See if he notices it.
603
00:44:00,805 --> 00:44:01,845
(mouse clicks)
604
00:44:01,890 --> 00:44:04,470
(heavy metal music playing)
605
00:44:23,328 --> 00:44:26,118
(music stops)
Man: My voice is
going to take you
606
00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:29,084
to a very calm
and peaceful place.
607
00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:33,335
♪ ♪
(distortion, static)
608
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:34,880
Man:
So this part,
609
00:44:34,923 --> 00:44:38,133
striking into
any soft tissue
in the body--
610
00:44:38,176 --> 00:44:40,296
the eyes, the cheeks,
611
00:44:40,345 --> 00:44:41,795
cut right through the blood
612
00:44:41,846 --> 00:44:43,176
and air vessels into the throat,
613
00:44:43,223 --> 00:44:44,763
get it in and out,
in and out, in and out.
614
00:44:44,808 --> 00:44:47,018
Kids:
Meow, meow, meow!
615
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:48,430
Man:
So with the first one,
why do you think
616
00:44:48,478 --> 00:44:50,808
the pig passed out
when the kitten was put on it?
617
00:44:52,107 --> 00:44:54,227
(mouse clicking)
Woman:
He's playing with it.
618
00:44:54,275 --> 00:44:59,145
♪ Dog goes woof,
cat goes meow,
bird goes-- ♪
619
00:44:59,197 --> 00:45:02,027
Ah! Why do you
stick a baby
620
00:45:02,075 --> 00:45:05,535
in the blender
feet first?
621
00:45:05,578 --> 00:45:08,408
(demonic voice) So you can see
the expression on it's face.
622
00:45:08,456 --> 00:45:10,826
(maniacal laughter)
623
00:45:13,169 --> 00:45:15,209
(mouse clicks)
(helicopter whirring)
624
00:45:16,214 --> 00:45:17,304
(keyboard clacks)
625
00:45:30,603 --> 00:45:33,153
(mouse clicks)
(music plays)
626
00:45:33,189 --> 00:45:35,359
Shh.
(pounds)
627
00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:37,979
(slurping)
628
00:45:44,576 --> 00:45:46,826
I don't know if I should say,
"I hope you enjoyed it,"
629
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:48,790
but there's the circle
of life for you.
630
00:45:48,830 --> 00:45:51,620
Talk to you later.
Thanks for watching.
631
00:45:51,666 --> 00:45:53,116
♪ ♪
632
00:45:53,168 --> 00:45:54,208
(mouse clicks)
633
00:45:57,380 --> 00:46:00,260
♪ ♪
634
00:46:05,555 --> 00:46:07,675
(water dripping)
635
00:46:16,357 --> 00:46:18,397
Kristi:
Ever since she got that iPad,
636
00:46:18,443 --> 00:46:22,363
she liked to spend
a lot of private time
up in her room and...
637
00:46:22,405 --> 00:46:25,235
she watched a lot
of things that were...
638
00:46:27,619 --> 00:46:29,199
funny to her.
639
00:46:29,245 --> 00:46:31,785
Nothing that
was gross,
640
00:46:31,831 --> 00:46:36,041
or depressing,
and emotionally degrading...
641
00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:41,759
She liked--
that iPad just gave her a way
642
00:46:43,384 --> 00:46:46,474
kind of not to--
to socialize with the family.
643
00:46:47,472 --> 00:46:49,262
And I totally...
644
00:46:51,392 --> 00:46:52,812
regret the iPad.
645
00:46:54,229 --> 00:46:58,269
Anissa showed me
a picture once.
646
00:46:58,316 --> 00:46:59,936
She was in her bedroom,
647
00:46:59,984 --> 00:47:02,904
and I went up to see
what she was doing,
and I looked.
648
00:47:02,946 --> 00:47:05,906
It was a picture
of this Slenderman character
649
00:47:05,949 --> 00:47:07,409
and Jack Skellington.
650
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:09,830
♪ ♪
651
00:47:09,869 --> 00:47:15,789
At the time,
it doesn't seem to be anything
inherently dangerous.
652
00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:19,463
I had no inklings
that I would need
to research this further.
653
00:47:20,672 --> 00:47:22,052
The iPads will be moving
654
00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:24,510
into elementary school levels
this year.
655
00:47:24,551 --> 00:47:28,801
So, at least,
our fifth-grade son is going
to be coming home with one.
656
00:47:30,306 --> 00:47:31,466
His own.
657
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:40,980
Tom Haynes:
So this is the yearbook
from Anissa's fifth grade year.
658
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:45,069
(chuckles)
And this is what Anissa wrote.
659
00:47:45,113 --> 00:47:47,783
it says, "You're like
a second dad to me."
660
00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:50,776
So that was really sweet.
661
00:47:50,827 --> 00:47:53,117
It's kind of tough
looking back on it,
662
00:47:53,162 --> 00:47:56,462
'cause if she felt that strong,
you know, just...
663
00:47:59,002 --> 00:48:00,382
maybe I could have done
something else.
664
00:48:05,967 --> 00:48:10,597
Anissa was definitely
one of the biggest
outliers I've had
665
00:48:10,638 --> 00:48:14,968
just because she had
no solid connections
666
00:48:15,018 --> 00:48:18,308
with other
4th and 5th-graders.
667
00:48:18,354 --> 00:48:22,734
Anissa would definitely cry
once every couple weeks,
I would want to say.
668
00:48:22,775 --> 00:48:27,105
Mostly about... kids
being mean to her at school.
669
00:48:27,155 --> 00:48:31,115
She wouldn't
be able to contain herself
in front of the whole class,
670
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:33,119
and sometimes
she would just cry.
671
00:48:33,161 --> 00:48:35,041
So other kids
were aware of her...
672
00:48:36,372 --> 00:48:39,122
emotions,
and being upset.
673
00:48:39,167 --> 00:48:41,957
And there's times
she would come in
from lunch/recess
674
00:48:42,003 --> 00:48:45,383
and cry about
not having friends.
675
00:48:47,425 --> 00:48:51,715
I've guessed that Anissa made
a connection with Morgan
676
00:48:51,763 --> 00:48:54,353
and was happy
that they both were
into Slenderman,
677
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:56,310
was happy that
she made a new friend,
678
00:48:56,351 --> 00:48:58,311
shared a connection,
shared interest,
679
00:48:58,353 --> 00:49:02,233
and it may have spiraled
out of control from there.
680
00:49:02,273 --> 00:49:04,733
(classical score playing)
681
00:49:06,486 --> 00:49:09,896
(no discernible dialog)
682
00:49:27,173 --> 00:49:29,093
(mouse clicks)
(keyboard clacks)
683
00:49:30,593 --> 00:49:32,893
♪ ♪
684
00:49:35,056 --> 00:49:37,386
Abigail Baird:
You couldn't set up
a better system to fail
685
00:49:37,433 --> 00:49:39,563
In terms of "No one
at school likes you,
686
00:49:39,602 --> 00:49:41,602
"but here's this
open-ended monster
687
00:49:41,646 --> 00:49:43,226
who will embrace you."
688
00:49:44,565 --> 00:49:46,725
The worst time
to be socially isolated
689
00:49:46,776 --> 00:49:51,146
is the time when
your brain and body
are begging for camaraderie,
690
00:49:51,197 --> 00:49:54,027
for kinship,
which is adolescence.
691
00:49:54,075 --> 00:49:55,945
It's the hardest time
to be alone.
692
00:49:57,286 --> 00:49:59,496
I think in the absence
of social contact,
693
00:49:59,539 --> 00:50:02,159
the Internet
can sometimes serve
694
00:50:02,208 --> 00:50:05,078
as a peer in a way,
or a peer group.
695
00:50:06,796 --> 00:50:09,836
Those two girls
in a tight-knit group
of eight friends,
696
00:50:09,882 --> 00:50:11,552
I don't think
this would've happened,
697
00:50:11,592 --> 00:50:13,592
because they wouldn't
have only been talking
to each other
698
00:50:13,636 --> 00:50:15,256
and they wouldn't
have been relying so heavily
699
00:50:15,304 --> 00:50:17,104
on information
from the Internet.
700
00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:22,137
(engine starts)
701
00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:39,663
Kristi:
Bill and I separated
in the summer of 2012.
702
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:45,790
It was my decision.
I asked for a divorce.
703
00:50:45,835 --> 00:50:47,955
But when a situation
got really bad,
704
00:50:48,004 --> 00:50:51,054
he was willing to still
be there and stuff.
705
00:51:05,688 --> 00:51:08,398
(turn signal clicking)
706
00:51:09,984 --> 00:51:11,984
She's not allowed to see
her brother or sister.
707
00:51:12,028 --> 00:51:16,158
She's not allowed
to see any aunts or uncles,
or cousins or anything,
708
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:19,409
so I wanted to have
as many people
709
00:51:19,452 --> 00:51:21,872
as she could have
as often as possible.
710
00:51:27,251 --> 00:51:31,881
I try to bring her mentally
out of the environment
711
00:51:31,923 --> 00:51:36,183
and try to bring her
some sunshine in her day.
712
00:51:36,219 --> 00:51:39,049
But then when I leave,
I kind of feel...
713
00:51:42,058 --> 00:51:46,478
I feel happy
that I was able to see her
714
00:51:46,521 --> 00:51:51,361
and... make her smile
for a few minutes in a day.
715
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,650
But on the other hand,
I'm still kind of sad
716
00:51:53,694 --> 00:51:57,404
that I'm leaving
without my daughter, and...
717
00:51:59,033 --> 00:52:03,993
The drive home is
sometimes heart-breaking...
718
00:52:04,038 --> 00:52:08,118
but... I know
that I'll be coming up
719
00:52:08,167 --> 00:52:09,827
and seeing her
in a couple days anyways,
720
00:52:09,877 --> 00:52:12,337
and I'll just repeat
the performance and--
721
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:18,380
(sniffles)
and hopefully, someday,
this might be my last trip
722
00:52:18,427 --> 00:52:20,797
and-- and...
723
00:52:22,056 --> 00:52:24,466
And then
she'll be home for good.
724
00:52:24,517 --> 00:52:27,307
But that might be
a while off.
725
00:52:32,817 --> 00:52:35,147
(musical ringtone plays)
726
00:52:35,194 --> 00:52:38,244
Computer: You have
a prepaid call from...
Anissa: Anissa...
727
00:52:38,281 --> 00:52:41,491
Computer: An inmate at...
Man:
Washington County Jail.
728
00:52:41,534 --> 00:52:43,034
Computer:
This call will be recorded
729
00:52:43,077 --> 00:52:45,367
and subject
to monitoring
at any time.
730
00:52:45,413 --> 00:52:47,453
You may begin speaking now.
731
00:52:47,498 --> 00:52:48,788
(Anissa speaks)
732
00:52:48,833 --> 00:52:51,293
Hello, Anissa.
So, how was your day?
733
00:52:56,799 --> 00:52:57,919
Yeah?
734
00:52:59,218 --> 00:53:00,508
Define "pretty good."
735
00:53:13,441 --> 00:53:14,821
Do you know
who's sitting here?
736
00:53:16,569 --> 00:53:18,989
Yep, Tyler's sitting here.
Tyler: Hi!
737
00:53:20,197 --> 00:53:21,697
(Bill laughs)
How are you?
738
00:53:24,660 --> 00:53:26,160
I've been...
739
00:53:27,371 --> 00:53:29,331
pretty good
despite the cold.
740
00:53:30,333 --> 00:53:31,673
Hi, Ani!
741
00:53:33,586 --> 00:53:34,666
(laughs)
742
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:36,670
What's up?
743
00:53:44,555 --> 00:53:46,635
Anissa! Anissa.
744
00:53:48,434 --> 00:53:50,104
We can all tell
you're a little spun up.
745
00:53:50,144 --> 00:53:52,194
Are you excited
to be talking to everybody?
746
00:53:53,606 --> 00:53:54,686
Yeah?
747
00:54:09,997 --> 00:54:12,537
Hey, hey hey! Anissa!
(laughter)
748
00:54:14,919 --> 00:54:16,669
Dial it back a notch.
749
00:54:16,712 --> 00:54:20,882
So, besides what
you've already like mentioned,
750
00:54:20,925 --> 00:54:22,375
what's up with you?
751
00:54:35,982 --> 00:54:37,062
Okay.
752
00:54:38,484 --> 00:54:40,444
Anissa: Yeah.
Just don't smile too much.
753
00:54:40,486 --> 00:54:41,646
Computer:
One minute remaining.
754
00:54:41,696 --> 00:54:43,276
All right,
we've got one minute,
755
00:54:43,322 --> 00:54:44,912
so you have a good night.
756
00:54:47,368 --> 00:54:49,328
Love you too.
757
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:53,290
All right?
And I will see you tomorrow.
758
00:54:53,332 --> 00:54:56,792
So-- all right.
Computer: Thank you
for using IC solutions.
759
00:54:56,836 --> 00:54:58,036
Goodbye.
And there you have it.
760
00:54:59,046 --> 00:55:00,796
♪ ♪
761
00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:37,252
(Tiger meows)
762
00:55:48,471 --> 00:55:51,351
♪ ♪
763
00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:57,599
(murmuring)
764
00:56:05,529 --> 00:56:07,819
(chains clinking)
765
00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:12,120
(cameras clicking)
766
00:56:27,718 --> 00:56:29,718
Maggie:
I don't know where
767
00:56:29,762 --> 00:56:33,262
the whole Slenderman thing...
768
00:56:33,307 --> 00:56:36,637
started because
Anissa never talked about
anything like that.
769
00:56:36,685 --> 00:56:40,345
Nobody ever talked
about Slenderman.
770
00:56:40,397 --> 00:56:44,187
Unless she was, like,
constantly Internet surfing,
771
00:56:44,235 --> 00:56:47,895
she never really showed me
anything that was bad...
772
00:56:49,281 --> 00:56:52,161
or anything scary.
773
00:56:52,201 --> 00:56:55,621
She-- she is
easily frightened, though.
774
00:56:55,663 --> 00:56:58,623
(woman coughs)
(camera clicking)
775
00:56:58,666 --> 00:57:03,286
Maybe she did it
because she wanted
to be noticed.
776
00:57:03,337 --> 00:57:06,667
Because, honestly,
at her school
777
00:57:06,715 --> 00:57:09,965
I didn't know that
she didn't have many friends.
778
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:13,800
She told me
that she had lots of friends,
lots of guys liked her,
779
00:57:13,848 --> 00:57:16,468
and a bunch of--
and she was accepted,
780
00:57:16,517 --> 00:57:18,927
and she was having
a great time at school.
781
00:57:18,978 --> 00:57:23,058
But... she was
constantly picked on,
782
00:57:23,107 --> 00:57:27,897
and she never really fit in.
She was a follower.
783
00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:31,567
Bailiff:
All rise.
784
00:57:34,201 --> 00:57:35,871
Bohren:
Okay, thank you.
Please be seated.
785
00:57:37,288 --> 00:57:40,408
Maggie:
I think some kids
are just...
786
00:57:41,876 --> 00:57:43,416
big believers.
787
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:46,750
They can't help but believe
everything they hear.
788
00:57:50,259 --> 00:57:53,139
(rustles)
789
00:57:53,179 --> 00:57:55,009
Officer: Do you swear
to tell the truth,
the whole truth,
790
00:57:55,055 --> 00:57:56,555
and nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
791
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:58,769
Yes, I do.
Attorney:
In this case
792
00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:02,559
were you assigned
to interview the victim,
Payton Leutner?
793
00:58:02,605 --> 00:58:04,015
Yes, I was.
794
00:58:04,064 --> 00:58:07,404
Attorney:
At some point, your discussion
got into the area
795
00:58:07,443 --> 00:58:10,323
of a birthday party
that was planned for Morgan?
796
00:58:10,362 --> 00:58:12,532
Payton said that
the birthday party
797
00:58:12,573 --> 00:58:14,743
had been planned
for several weeks,
798
00:58:14,783 --> 00:58:17,243
and it was for May 30th,
799
00:58:17,286 --> 00:58:20,576
and that they had planned
to go do Skateland
800
00:58:20,623 --> 00:58:22,583
and sleep over
at Morgan's house.
801
00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:25,960
Angie:
They were being
normal little girls.
802
00:58:26,003 --> 00:58:27,503
They were running
up and down the stairs,
803
00:58:27,546 --> 00:58:29,586
holding hands
and giggling.
804
00:58:32,426 --> 00:58:33,466
There was no...
805
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:37,930
indication that anything
was-- was off
806
00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:39,853
or that we had anything to--
807
00:58:42,394 --> 00:58:44,444
to be worried about.
808
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,520
After Skateland,
they came back to Morgan's house
809
00:58:47,566 --> 00:58:50,106
and they went
into the basement.
810
00:59:25,437 --> 00:59:27,557
(speaks matter-of-factly)
811
00:59:37,491 --> 00:59:39,031
And we-- we woke up
in the morning,
812
00:59:39,076 --> 00:59:43,576
and we had donuts
and strawberries
for breakfast,
813
00:59:43,622 --> 00:59:45,542
and everything
was very normal.
814
00:59:45,582 --> 00:59:47,502
The girls were laughing and...
815
00:59:48,419 --> 00:59:49,879
having a good time.
816
00:59:52,047 --> 00:59:54,877
And they asked
if they could go
to the park,
817
00:59:54,925 --> 00:59:56,835
and I didn't think
anything of it.
818
00:59:56,885 --> 00:59:58,835
I said, "Yeah, of course
you can go to the park."
819
00:59:58,887 --> 01:00:01,427
And, you know,
Morgan said goodbye
820
01:00:01,473 --> 01:00:03,063
and told me
she loved me.
821
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:06,180
♪ ♪
(breathes shakily)
822
01:00:15,571 --> 01:00:17,701
(Trussoni speaks)
823
01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:19,110
(Anissa speaks)
824
01:00:28,792 --> 01:00:30,252
(Trussoni speaks)
825
01:00:30,294 --> 01:00:31,794
(Anissa speaks)
826
01:00:47,353 --> 01:00:51,063
After playing
on the playground
equipment for a while,
827
01:00:51,106 --> 01:00:54,976
they went into the bathroom,
all three of them.
828
01:00:55,027 --> 01:00:56,487
(Casey speaks
on video)
829
01:00:57,488 --> 01:00:59,778
(Morgan speaks)
830
01:01:01,325 --> 01:01:02,445
(Casey speaks)
831
01:01:11,502 --> 01:01:14,292
(Anissa speaking
on video)
832
01:01:20,636 --> 01:01:22,756
♪ ♪
833
01:01:47,121 --> 01:01:48,501
She didn't want
to go to sleep,
834
01:01:48,539 --> 01:01:51,159
so she didn't sit there
with her eyes closed,
835
01:01:51,208 --> 01:01:55,708
and at some point,
Anissa hit the front
of her head
836
01:01:55,754 --> 01:01:58,464
and caused the back
of her head to...
837
01:01:59,383 --> 01:02:00,673
slam against the wall.
838
01:02:12,187 --> 01:02:13,227
Basically.
839
01:02:24,116 --> 01:02:25,156
(Anissa speaks)
840
01:02:31,373 --> 01:02:35,713
And Morgan said,
"I thought we agreed that
you were going to do this."
841
01:02:36,712 --> 01:02:38,462
Attorney:
Did Payton tell you anything
842
01:02:38,505 --> 01:02:40,875
about what Payton
was thinking about that?
843
01:02:40,924 --> 01:02:43,884
I don't think she understood
what was going on.
844
01:02:44,803 --> 01:02:46,893
(Anissa speaking
on video)
845
01:03:04,698 --> 01:03:06,068
(Trussoni speaking
on video)
846
01:03:10,454 --> 01:03:13,214
(pulling tape)
847
01:03:14,958 --> 01:03:17,038
(gasps)
Thank you!
848
01:03:18,629 --> 01:03:22,209
Boy:
Hey, that's what I wanted.
Ooh.
849
01:03:22,257 --> 01:03:25,177
(boy gasps)
Angie: It's a super-fancy
touch screen one.
850
01:03:25,219 --> 01:03:29,049
I want that one.
It's already charged...
851
01:03:29,097 --> 01:03:31,057
and there's already
some books on it for you.
852
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:33,729
Wow.
(boy mumbles)
853
01:03:36,146 --> 01:03:37,646
Can we put it together?
854
01:03:37,689 --> 01:03:41,019
Mm-hmm. What do you think?
Pretty cool? Yeah?
855
01:03:41,068 --> 01:03:43,648
Angie:
I had the conversation
with Morgan--
856
01:03:43,695 --> 01:03:47,195
the birds and the bees
conversation.
857
01:03:47,241 --> 01:03:50,241
I explained about
the changes that you
go through during puberty,
858
01:03:50,285 --> 01:03:53,245
and I explained
about getting your period.
859
01:03:53,288 --> 01:03:57,918
And I finish,
and she looks at me,
and she goes,
860
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,210
"Mommy,
I don't think
I believe you."
861
01:04:00,254 --> 01:04:03,344
(laughs)
"That doesn't really happen."
862
01:04:03,382 --> 01:04:06,092
(camera clicks, beeps)
863
01:04:06,134 --> 01:04:08,304
(Angie mutters)
Morgan:
Thank you!
864
01:04:08,345 --> 01:04:09,675
(Angie chuckles)
You're welcome!
865
01:04:09,721 --> 01:04:11,101
(camera clicks, beeps)
866
01:04:11,139 --> 01:04:12,929
Angie:
Morgan did believe
in Santa,
867
01:04:12,975 --> 01:04:15,475
the Tooth Fairy,
and the Easter Bunny,
868
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:20,269
and actually believed
in Santa until she was 11.
869
01:04:25,737 --> 01:04:27,777
(chuckles)
And I guess I just thought,
870
01:04:27,823 --> 01:04:30,823
"What parent
tells their child
that Santa's not real?
871
01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:34,617
Who's-- who's in a hurry
for their child to grow up?"
872
01:04:34,663 --> 01:04:36,873
♪ ♪
873
01:04:47,342 --> 01:04:49,302
Tyler:
There are a lot
of strange things
874
01:04:49,344 --> 01:04:52,144
in the world
that we just can't explain.
875
01:04:54,558 --> 01:04:57,888
So we just make up things
to try to help explain them.
876
01:04:59,438 --> 01:05:00,978
To believe in something--
877
01:05:01,023 --> 01:05:02,943
I don't know,
the Loch Ness Monster
878
01:05:02,983 --> 01:05:06,653
or the boogeyman--
isn't... that hard
879
01:05:06,695 --> 01:05:09,065
to believe that people
actually do believe it.
880
01:05:09,114 --> 01:05:11,624
♪ ♪
881
01:05:11,658 --> 01:05:17,038
You can't say for sure
that it is real or not.
882
01:05:20,834 --> 01:05:25,464
And I do believe
that they did believe
883
01:05:25,505 --> 01:05:27,625
that it was real.
884
01:05:27,674 --> 01:05:30,224
♪ ♪
885
01:05:37,976 --> 01:05:40,226
Jacqueline Woolley:
What is it about certain kinds
of storybooks
886
01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:42,900
that make kids more
or less likely to believe
that they're real?
887
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:47,321
What is it about aspects
of the Internet that affects
888
01:05:47,361 --> 01:05:49,741
whether kids think things
on it are real or not real?
889
01:05:52,032 --> 01:05:55,412
I think the concept
of what's real has always
been pretty messy.
890
01:05:57,746 --> 01:06:01,206
Technology is creating
these new situations
891
01:06:01,249 --> 01:06:03,499
in which it's becoming
even messier.
892
01:06:03,543 --> 01:06:07,713
♪ ♪
893
01:06:07,756 --> 01:06:10,586
These two girls,
maybe they were both
strong believers,
894
01:06:10,634 --> 01:06:12,724
but then the fact
that they were both together
895
01:06:12,761 --> 01:06:15,891
was creating
an even stronger
context for belief.
896
01:06:20,936 --> 01:06:25,436
That's kind of how
Santa Claus works
or is perceived to work.
897
01:06:26,566 --> 01:06:28,526
Sort of like
"The Believers' Club."
898
01:06:28,568 --> 01:06:32,238
There's this big fear
that if I stop believing
I won't get the presents.
899
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,320
(static)
900
01:06:35,367 --> 01:06:37,907
What is the benefit
of being a believer?
901
01:06:40,038 --> 01:06:43,248
Feeling like you're special,
you're a part of something,
902
01:06:43,291 --> 01:06:47,131
that you can become
a part of just by believing.
903
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:49,880
That's a lot easier
than a lot of other clubs,
904
01:06:49,923 --> 01:06:51,803
you know,
especially at that age.
905
01:06:51,842 --> 01:06:55,342
But all you need to do
for the Slenderman club
is just believe.
906
01:06:55,387 --> 01:06:58,597
♪ ♪
907
01:07:25,584 --> 01:07:28,044
Blank:
If there's one thing the cult
of Slenderman is about,
908
01:07:28,086 --> 01:07:32,456
it's about making
it all believable,
909
01:07:32,507 --> 01:07:35,507
especially by remaining
unverifiable.
910
01:07:35,552 --> 01:07:39,642
And that's
really kind of how
folk belief works.
911
01:07:39,681 --> 01:07:42,351
Because you can't prove
beyond a shadow of a doubt
912
01:07:42,392 --> 01:07:45,022
that Slenderman
is fake or real.
(mouse clicking)
913
01:08:16,301 --> 01:08:17,511
Boy:
Hey, guys, it's Shane.
914
01:08:17,552 --> 01:08:21,642
So, ever since I found out
about Slenderman,
915
01:08:21,681 --> 01:08:26,021
he's been haunting my dreams,
like every single dream.
916
01:08:26,061 --> 01:08:28,061
And I'm really scared,
917
01:08:28,104 --> 01:08:30,444
so I'm going to show you
a picture--
918
01:08:30,482 --> 01:08:34,732
I'm-- I'm just going to show you
some pictures that I got of him.
919
01:08:34,778 --> 01:08:35,988
There it is.
Look at this.
920
01:08:36,029 --> 01:08:37,489
Look right there
in the background.
921
01:08:37,531 --> 01:08:39,111
Right there.
Boy: See, it's Slenderman.
922
01:08:39,157 --> 01:08:41,197
Shane:
That's my-- that's my sister
when she was young.
923
01:08:41,243 --> 01:08:43,583
And then we found that
in the background.
924
01:08:44,871 --> 01:08:47,751
Oh, it's really scary.
Um, Bye.
925
01:08:49,292 --> 01:08:50,922
(mouse clicks)
(birds chirping)
926
01:08:50,961 --> 01:08:52,251
Cartwheel.
927
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:55,050
(boy clears throat)
Round off.
928
01:08:56,842 --> 01:08:59,592
Boy: Oh my god,
my stomach is killing me.
Back walkover.
929
01:09:00,971 --> 01:09:02,721
Crappy back walkover.
930
01:09:03,723 --> 01:09:05,893
Boy 2: Mine-- ugh.
Mine, too.
931
01:09:05,934 --> 01:09:07,274
Back walkover.
932
01:09:07,310 --> 01:09:10,440
(boy burps)
Oh my god.
933
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:14,320
Round off.
Boy: Sam, we need to do--
Sam, we need to do this later.
934
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:15,779
Can you go
a little bit longer?
935
01:09:15,819 --> 01:09:18,069
Boy:
No, we'll just stop
this one and then we'll...
936
01:09:18,113 --> 01:09:20,573
and then we'll just do
another one later,
937
01:09:20,615 --> 01:09:23,525
'cause my st--
oh my god, I feel like I'm
about to throw up right now.
938
01:09:23,577 --> 01:09:25,447
All right, just hurry up
and do one more.
939
01:09:28,915 --> 01:09:31,955
Boy:
What the fuck?
Oh my God! Run! Run!
940
01:09:32,002 --> 01:09:34,292
Run! Run!
Oh my god, run! No, run!
941
01:09:35,255 --> 01:09:36,835
(shouting)
942
01:09:36,882 --> 01:09:39,512
Hope:
The moment you know about him,
he knows about you.
943
01:09:39,551 --> 01:09:42,091
(girl whimpers)
Boy: Oh my god,
I'm so scared right now.
944
01:09:42,137 --> 01:09:45,007
Hope:
Like there's no way
to summon him,
945
01:09:45,056 --> 01:09:48,466
but there's no way
to get him to, like, stop
following you around.
946
01:09:49,352 --> 01:09:50,482
(mouse clicks)
947
01:09:51,980 --> 01:09:54,480
I remember
when I was like 13,
948
01:09:54,524 --> 01:09:56,984
one of my birthday parties,
we had this big plan
949
01:09:57,027 --> 01:09:59,937
me and three of my friends
were all going to get together,
950
01:09:59,988 --> 01:10:01,148
we were going to bring
our cameras
951
01:10:01,197 --> 01:10:02,527
and sneak out into the woods
952
01:10:02,574 --> 01:10:04,374
and try to find him
with our cameras.
953
01:10:04,409 --> 01:10:06,449
And I was out there
for like two hours.
954
01:10:07,579 --> 01:10:09,289
If I encountered him...
955
01:10:10,457 --> 01:10:12,867
I would explain myself
and be like,
956
01:10:12,918 --> 01:10:14,208
"I don't think
you're that bad.
957
01:10:14,252 --> 01:10:16,292
"Personally, I think
you're kind of cool.
958
01:10:16,338 --> 01:10:18,088
I wouldn't mind doing
what you're doing."
959
01:10:18,131 --> 01:10:20,011
♪ ♪
960
01:10:22,052 --> 01:10:24,642
Since I had
no social life back then,
961
01:10:24,679 --> 01:10:27,309
basically my whole life
was on the Internet.
962
01:10:27,349 --> 01:10:30,849
And since
it was there, like, 24/7...
963
01:10:32,562 --> 01:10:36,442
I would just gradually get
more and more attached to it.
964
01:10:36,483 --> 01:10:39,573
And the thing
that kept coming up
would be Slenderman.
965
01:10:44,115 --> 01:10:47,825
Back then I believed,
like every fiber in my body,
he was real.
966
01:10:47,869 --> 01:10:49,369
♪ ♪
967
01:10:49,412 --> 01:10:51,832
(footsteps)
968
01:10:54,501 --> 01:10:55,461
(mouse clicks)
969
01:10:55,502 --> 01:10:58,212
All right,
and the game
has started.
970
01:11:03,385 --> 01:11:05,385
(crickets chirping)
971
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,520
(ominous music playing)
972
01:11:17,899 --> 01:11:20,439
Dawkins:
If everybody knows
that is Slenderman,
973
01:11:20,485 --> 01:11:24,395
then I think
that's sufficient
to define it as a replicator.
974
01:11:26,366 --> 01:11:28,366
(paper rustles)
975
01:11:28,410 --> 01:11:32,000
Genetic viruses spread
from body to body.
976
01:11:32,038 --> 01:11:35,708
And so... a meme that
has great spreadability...
977
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:38,580
deserves to be called
a virus of the mind.
978
01:11:38,628 --> 01:11:40,378
Girl:
Ooh! A note.
Girl 2: No!
979
01:11:40,422 --> 01:11:42,302
No, I don't wanna get it.
No, you have to get it.
980
01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:44,550
You have to get it. You have to.
You get it.
Then he's gonna come.
981
01:11:44,592 --> 01:11:45,972
Get it.
Okay.
982
01:11:46,011 --> 01:11:48,471
Just keep walking.
Just keep walking.
Why?
983
01:11:48,513 --> 01:11:49,973
Because he's finding you!
984
01:11:50,015 --> 01:11:52,175
Dawkins:
A virus of the mind spreads
985
01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:56,475
by being listened to or seen
by the sense organs.
986
01:11:56,521 --> 01:11:59,941
♪ ♪
(footsteps)
987
01:11:59,983 --> 01:12:01,613
When one brain picks it up,
988
01:12:01,651 --> 01:12:03,991
it will have a tendency
to pass it on to another brain
989
01:12:04,029 --> 01:12:07,069
and another brain and so on,
so it will spread exponentially.
990
01:12:11,202 --> 01:12:13,162
(musical sting)
(girls scream, laugh)
991
01:12:13,204 --> 01:12:14,454
(cries)
992
01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:16,457
(footsteps)
993
01:12:16,499 --> 01:12:19,039
Dawkins:
And it's empirical fact
that this happens.
994
01:12:19,085 --> 01:12:21,285
The Slenderman case
is a very powerful example
995
01:12:21,337 --> 01:12:26,127
of peer-to-peer
horizontal transmission.
It does happen.
996
01:12:26,176 --> 01:12:27,336
(musical sting)
997
01:12:27,385 --> 01:12:29,425
(static)
998
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,100
(keys jingling)
999
01:12:41,483 --> 01:12:42,613
Bill:
Meow, meow, kitty.
1000
01:12:43,777 --> 01:12:46,107
(meows)
That's right, come here.
1001
01:12:47,822 --> 01:12:50,162
Were you sleeping as usual?
Yes, you were.
1002
01:12:51,117 --> 01:12:52,697
(meows)
(mimics meow)
1003
01:12:54,245 --> 01:12:55,325
Stand up straight.
1004
01:13:01,044 --> 01:13:05,254
I think you should wear
your badge from Webelos Camp...
1005
01:13:05,298 --> 01:13:07,968
because there's only
two people in your whole pack
that have that badge.
1006
01:13:08,009 --> 01:13:11,719
Aiden: Okay.
Bill: All right.
All your pins are secure?
1007
01:13:11,763 --> 01:13:15,433
Aiden: Yes.
Bill: You don't want
to be losing them. Right?
1008
01:13:15,475 --> 01:13:17,975
Aiden: Yeah.
Life is good.
1009
01:13:18,019 --> 01:13:19,689
You're all geared up,
all right?
1010
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:22,439
Aiden: Okay.
Get ready to put
that thing away. All right?
1011
01:13:22,482 --> 01:13:25,152
Okay.
Bill: I don't want
to get any grief about,
1012
01:13:25,193 --> 01:13:27,653
"Oh I just got
to finish this level,"
or whatever else.
1013
01:13:27,695 --> 01:13:29,025
All right?
1014
01:13:29,072 --> 01:13:30,402
(mutters)
Aiden?
1015
01:13:31,449 --> 01:13:32,489
Yeah.
1016
01:13:38,540 --> 01:13:39,540
Yay?
1017
01:13:40,792 --> 01:13:42,422
Are you okay, Aiden?
Aiden: Yeah.
1018
01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:44,710
You sound
a little sniffley.
1019
01:13:44,754 --> 01:13:48,214
This whole event,
from start to finish,
has been a tragedy.
1020
01:13:50,844 --> 01:13:53,474
But you have to be angry
at the situation.
1021
01:13:53,513 --> 01:13:55,223
I'm angry at the situation...
1022
01:13:56,850 --> 01:13:59,180
and my daughter
is not the one...
1023
01:14:00,311 --> 01:14:01,691
that spent upwards
of seven days
1024
01:14:01,729 --> 01:14:04,309
in the hospital
recovering from this.
1025
01:14:04,357 --> 01:14:06,017
And I'm angry
about the situation.
1026
01:14:06,067 --> 01:14:08,477
So, if I'm angry about it...
1027
01:14:08,528 --> 01:14:12,358
you know, this other family
sure as hell has a right
to be angry about it.
1028
01:14:13,992 --> 01:14:15,282
You know, they could...
1029
01:14:19,038 --> 01:14:21,958
you know, slam the door
in my face, or, you know,
1030
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,960
punch me in the face
and knock me on my ass
and you know...
1031
01:14:26,129 --> 01:14:28,959
they would probably
be justified in doing so.
1032
01:14:30,633 --> 01:14:32,883
I'm sure they have a lot
of the same questions I do.
1033
01:14:35,513 --> 01:14:40,603
Attorney 2: Did you come
to any conclusions about Anissa,
as far as a diagnosis?
1034
01:14:42,270 --> 01:14:44,940
The predisposing
characteristics that...
1035
01:14:44,981 --> 01:14:48,321
made her susceptible
to the delusional disorder...
1036
01:14:49,527 --> 01:14:52,567
is what's referred
to as a schizotypy.
1037
01:14:52,614 --> 01:14:55,364
It's a diminished ability
to determine
1038
01:14:55,408 --> 01:14:57,238
what's real
and what's not real.
1039
01:14:57,285 --> 01:15:00,485
A lot of people have
varying degrees of this.
1040
01:15:00,538 --> 01:15:04,918
Adults may have,
simply, eccentric religious
or spiritual beliefs
1041
01:15:04,959 --> 01:15:08,089
or... conspiratorial beliefs
or things like that
1042
01:15:08,129 --> 01:15:10,629
and live out their life
with no problems at all.
1043
01:15:11,799 --> 01:15:13,419
I've done
quite a bit
of research
1044
01:15:13,468 --> 01:15:16,718
on the early stages
of psychopathic personality
1045
01:15:16,763 --> 01:15:19,143
in adolescents
over the last 20 years.
1046
01:15:19,182 --> 01:15:22,272
Attorney 2:
Based on your experiences
and testing of Anissa,
1047
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:24,850
she does not carry
that particular diagnosis.
1048
01:15:24,896 --> 01:15:26,306
No. She doesn't have--
1049
01:15:26,356 --> 01:15:29,266
she has, really,
no characteristics
of a psychopath
1050
01:15:29,317 --> 01:15:31,777
or a sociopath
or anything like that.
Attorney 2: Okay.
1051
01:15:31,819 --> 01:15:35,819
♪ ♪
1052
01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:43,660
Fisher:
Morgan and Anissa came out
of the bathroom.
1053
01:15:47,585 --> 01:15:50,585
Payton said
that she didn't want
to play hide and seek,
1054
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:52,380
but Morgan said
that the next game
1055
01:15:52,423 --> 01:15:54,843
that they played
could be her choice.
1056
01:16:03,101 --> 01:16:04,561
♪ ♪
1057
01:16:06,187 --> 01:16:08,437
Payton said that...
1058
01:16:08,481 --> 01:16:12,571
Anissa pulled her deeper
and deeper into the woods.
1059
01:16:14,612 --> 01:16:16,032
(Casey speaks
on video)
1060
01:16:38,386 --> 01:16:39,426
And then...
1061
01:16:50,773 --> 01:16:51,903
Anissa says, "Now!"
1062
01:16:54,235 --> 01:16:56,395
And Anissa turns her back.
1063
01:17:05,705 --> 01:17:10,115
Morgan got on top
of Payton's legs.
1064
01:17:10,168 --> 01:17:15,338
She sat on her legs,
and then she got her face
real close to Payton
1065
01:17:15,381 --> 01:17:19,551
and whispered in her ear,
"I'm so sorry."
1066
01:17:19,594 --> 01:17:22,094
♪ ♪
1067
01:17:22,138 --> 01:17:24,058
And then started stabbing her.
1068
01:18:03,388 --> 01:18:06,638
Attorney:
What, ultimately,
was Morgan diagnosed with?
1069
01:18:08,142 --> 01:18:13,602
The final diagnosis,
both in the psychological report
1070
01:18:13,648 --> 01:18:17,318
and in my report
are schizophrenia,
1071
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,110
unspecified, 295.90...
1072
01:18:23,282 --> 01:18:27,662
oppositional
defiant disorder, 313.81...
1073
01:18:28,955 --> 01:18:33,495
and bronchial asthma,
mild, intermittent, J45.2.
1074
01:18:35,044 --> 01:18:37,674
♪ ♪
1075
01:18:46,806 --> 01:18:48,386
Attorney:
What is schizophrenia?
1076
01:18:50,226 --> 01:18:53,766
Casimir:
Schizophrenia is
one of the most serious
1077
01:18:53,813 --> 01:18:56,273
and one of the most studied
1078
01:18:56,315 --> 01:18:59,725
mental illnesses
of human beings.
1079
01:18:59,777 --> 01:19:04,067
Approximately 1%
of the population succumbs
to schizophrenia.
1080
01:19:05,992 --> 01:19:08,032
It is a psychotic illness.
1081
01:19:08,077 --> 01:19:12,327
It's through a combination
of genetic predisposition
1082
01:19:12,373 --> 01:19:15,463
and then stress
placed on the person
1083
01:19:15,501 --> 01:19:17,921
to begin
manifesting symptoms.
1084
01:19:17,962 --> 01:19:20,842
♪ ♪
1085
01:19:26,262 --> 01:19:29,512
Patients lose track of reality
in a number of ways.
1086
01:19:29,557 --> 01:19:31,557
One would be hallucinations.
1087
01:19:31,601 --> 01:19:34,641
One could hear voices,
one could see visions,
1088
01:19:34,687 --> 01:19:36,847
one could feel
things crawling on them.
1089
01:19:38,441 --> 01:19:40,191
Delusions,
on the other hand,
1090
01:19:40,234 --> 01:19:42,154
don't have to do
with sensing something,
1091
01:19:42,195 --> 01:19:43,775
they have to do
with a thought.
1092
01:19:43,821 --> 01:19:48,161
So, for example,
believing that Slenderman
is real is a delusion.
1093
01:19:49,619 --> 01:19:52,829
Saying that you saw Slenderman
is a visual hallucination.
1094
01:19:52,872 --> 01:19:56,962
(leaves rustling)
(Robert Niesen laughs)
1095
01:19:57,001 --> 01:19:59,461
Is the pile
getting bigger?
1096
01:20:02,256 --> 01:20:04,416
Ha! (laughs)
1097
01:20:08,596 --> 01:20:09,796
Diana Niesen:
Jumping in the leaves.
1098
01:20:09,847 --> 01:20:12,387
Robert:
And that's one
of my favorites.
1099
01:20:12,433 --> 01:20:15,773
I raked up a bunch of leaves
in the back yard and...
1100
01:20:15,811 --> 01:20:18,561
she came flying in.
(laughs)
Diana: Nice action shot.
1101
01:20:21,567 --> 01:20:23,317
Diana:
Yeah, it's hard
for us to imagine
1102
01:20:23,361 --> 01:20:24,611
that she was
having problems.
1103
01:20:26,322 --> 01:20:27,742
It's hard to process.
1104
01:20:29,575 --> 01:20:32,075
None of us...
saw this coming.
1105
01:20:36,707 --> 01:20:38,707
Angie:
Morgan recalls having
1106
01:20:38,751 --> 01:20:41,131
hallucinations
as early as three.
1107
01:20:41,170 --> 01:20:43,800
She remembers...
1108
01:20:43,839 --> 01:20:47,589
seeing ghosts at night,
as young as three,
1109
01:20:47,635 --> 01:20:50,135
that would bite her
and pull her hair.
1110
01:20:51,264 --> 01:20:52,514
But from
what I understand,
1111
01:20:52,557 --> 01:20:56,557
for the most part
they were friendly, too.
1112
01:20:56,602 --> 01:21:01,612
She even said that she--
she tried to tell us
about it once,
1113
01:21:01,649 --> 01:21:04,149
and that we just told her
to go back to bed,
1114
01:21:04,193 --> 01:21:06,613
but I don't have
any recollection of that.
1115
01:21:08,447 --> 01:21:11,277
And really,
how often do your children
1116
01:21:11,325 --> 01:21:14,285
tell you at bedtime that
they're seeing something
1117
01:21:14,328 --> 01:21:15,788
or hearing something
when they're that age?
1118
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:19,540
"A monster's in my closet,"
or "something's under my bed,"
1119
01:21:19,584 --> 01:21:22,134
you know, just because
they don't want to go to bed.
1120
01:21:23,629 --> 01:21:25,209
It's hard
because I haven't been able
1121
01:21:25,256 --> 01:21:28,216
to discuss these things
with Morgan,
1122
01:21:28,259 --> 01:21:31,089
because she's
been incarcerated...
1123
01:21:31,137 --> 01:21:35,257
for the entire time
that I've-- I've known...
1124
01:21:35,308 --> 01:21:37,388
that she's--
that she's had
these symptoms.
1125
01:21:39,979 --> 01:21:43,439
Brooke Lundbohm:
She expressed the ability
to see and hear things
1126
01:21:43,482 --> 01:21:46,732
that other people are
not able to hear or see.
1127
01:21:46,777 --> 01:21:48,647
Things like unicorns.
1128
01:21:48,696 --> 01:21:51,356
She at one point digressed
1129
01:21:51,407 --> 01:21:53,157
into fairly rambling discussion
1130
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,660
about a student in her class
being a pegasus.
1131
01:21:55,703 --> 01:21:58,003
When I saw her last week,
a few days before,
1132
01:21:58,039 --> 01:22:00,459
Snape had come to visit her
and kept her up
1133
01:22:00,499 --> 01:22:02,919
until 3:00 in the morning,
by Morgan's report.
1134
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,840
Attorney: Snape?
Snape.
1135
01:22:04,879 --> 01:22:07,549
Attorney:
Who is that?
A "Harry Potter" character.
1136
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:10,260
She also will say not just
that she's heard things,
1137
01:22:10,301 --> 01:22:12,011
but that since
as early as three,
1138
01:22:12,053 --> 01:22:15,553
she's had some
sensory-perceptual
distortions.
1139
01:22:15,598 --> 01:22:19,558
She might see a person
change slightly or see colors.
1140
01:22:19,602 --> 01:22:22,522
She doesn't...
have much concern
1141
01:22:22,563 --> 01:22:24,903
about whether she gets
a long prison sentence,
1142
01:22:24,940 --> 01:22:29,490
because, wherever she is,
she will use Vulcan mind control
1143
01:22:29,528 --> 01:22:33,698
to make herself feel,
to make herself believe
whatever she likes.
1144
01:22:33,741 --> 01:22:37,161
And so, even under
very stressful circumstances,
1145
01:22:37,203 --> 01:22:39,623
she doesn't feel
the stress because of this--
1146
01:22:39,664 --> 01:22:42,504
what she described
to be Vulcan mind control.
1147
01:22:42,541 --> 01:22:44,501
Attorney 2:
How about her-- her cell?
1148
01:22:44,543 --> 01:22:47,463
I would consider
her cell disorganized.
1149
01:22:47,505 --> 01:22:51,715
She has papers scattered
about the floor.
1150
01:22:51,759 --> 01:22:54,009
Attorney 2:
Have you ever suggested
picking them up?
1151
01:22:54,053 --> 01:22:59,603
Officer Simon: Yes, I have.
And she stated that she
liked the papers there
1152
01:22:59,642 --> 01:23:02,852
because they made it feel
less empty.
1153
01:23:02,895 --> 01:23:05,145
Attorney 2:
And she is in the room alone?
Officer Simon: Correct.
1154
01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:07,820
She said,
"Seeing my friends,
1155
01:23:07,858 --> 01:23:09,568
"none of these things
are dangerous.
1156
01:23:09,610 --> 01:23:12,530
These friends can't disappear.
They're important to me."
1157
01:23:12,571 --> 01:23:15,611
Attorney:
Was she referring to real world
friends or fictional friends?
1158
01:23:15,658 --> 01:23:17,158
Fictional, I believe.
1159
01:23:17,201 --> 01:23:20,491
Attorney 2: She's not allowed
to hug her family or touch them?
1160
01:23:20,538 --> 01:23:24,208
Not in our facility.
Attorney 2: Right.
1161
01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:27,710
She made clear
that her primary concern
1162
01:23:27,753 --> 01:23:30,633
was with her relationship
with Slenderman,
1163
01:23:30,673 --> 01:23:34,223
and she felt like
if she says the wrong thing,
1164
01:23:34,260 --> 01:23:36,640
if she somehow
upsets Slenderman,
1165
01:23:36,679 --> 01:23:40,679
not only hers
but her family's lives
could be in danger.
1166
01:23:42,852 --> 01:23:45,232
With childhood schizophrenia,
1167
01:23:45,271 --> 01:23:48,111
almost everyone
develops, eventually,
1168
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:51,229
negative symptoms
and cognitive symptoms.
1169
01:23:52,403 --> 01:23:55,953
What's unique
about Morgan's circumstance
1170
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:58,990
is that a severe course
is so predictable.
1171
01:24:14,467 --> 01:24:19,797
Well, we knew her diagnosis
before we went to meet them
at the hospital.
1172
01:24:19,847 --> 01:24:23,517
We had a conference call
with two of the doctors,
1173
01:24:23,559 --> 01:24:25,309
so we were--
we were prepared.
1174
01:24:25,352 --> 01:24:28,402
And the reason that
we all went up there, actually,
1175
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,859
was so that
we could tell Morgan
1176
01:24:30,900 --> 01:24:32,980
what her diagnosis was.
1177
01:24:33,027 --> 01:24:36,487
And we thought
that it would be helpful
for her to know
1178
01:24:36,530 --> 01:24:38,700
that her father also...
1179
01:24:39,742 --> 01:24:41,872
had the same mental illness,
1180
01:24:41,911 --> 01:24:45,871
because we had
never told her previously
that Matt had schizophrenia.
1181
01:24:47,458 --> 01:24:50,208
We were very worried
about the way that
she might react
1182
01:24:50,252 --> 01:24:53,342
to learning that
she has schizophrenia
1183
01:24:53,380 --> 01:24:55,800
because Morgan--
Morgan's a very smart girl,
1184
01:24:55,841 --> 01:24:58,511
and she's been reading...
Matt: Which makes me think
that she knew.
1185
01:24:58,552 --> 01:25:02,602
Yeah.
I think when they told her,
she was probably like...
1186
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,600
Not surprised.
..."Well, that's what
I would've guessed...
1187
01:25:05,684 --> 01:25:08,064
if I had
to diagnose myself."
1188
01:25:10,356 --> 01:25:12,646
Angie:
What I think is
that Morgan knows
1189
01:25:12,691 --> 01:25:15,901
that other people
don't see her hallucinations,
1190
01:25:15,945 --> 01:25:18,235
but they're still
very real to her.
1191
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,110
Like, in her head
they are real,
1192
01:25:20,157 --> 01:25:22,027
and they're
there with her.
1193
01:25:22,076 --> 01:25:24,156
They're there.
Angie: But I think
that she knows
1194
01:25:24,203 --> 01:25:26,253
that other people
don't see them.
1195
01:25:26,288 --> 01:25:29,328
Otherwise, why would
she make an attempt to...
1196
01:25:29,375 --> 01:25:31,745
Cover it up. Mm-hmm.
Angie:
...hide them from us, exactly.
1197
01:25:31,794 --> 01:25:33,214
It's because
she doesn't want to lose them.
1198
01:25:33,254 --> 01:25:35,094
She's afraid they would
be taken from her.
1199
01:25:41,387 --> 01:25:43,677
Angie:
This is the doll house,
1200
01:25:43,722 --> 01:25:45,972
or the components
for a doll house,
1201
01:25:46,016 --> 01:25:48,176
that Morgan made
while she was housed
1202
01:25:48,227 --> 01:25:51,057
at Washington County
Juvenile Detention Center.
1203
01:25:52,606 --> 01:25:55,266
And she just put so much...
1204
01:25:56,235 --> 01:25:59,025
detail into it, it's amazing.
1205
01:25:59,071 --> 01:26:01,781
She's not allowed
to have scissors,
1206
01:26:01,824 --> 01:26:04,034
so all of these--
1207
01:26:04,076 --> 01:26:09,196
all of these
tiny little pieces
she ripped by hand.
1208
01:26:09,248 --> 01:26:10,828
This is a television,
and these are
1209
01:26:10,875 --> 01:26:14,705
some of her
little cartoon characters
that she likes to draw.
1210
01:26:14,753 --> 01:26:17,343
This actually, I think,
is a character
1211
01:26:17,381 --> 01:26:19,381
that's modeled after Spock.
1212
01:26:19,425 --> 01:26:22,375
When I watched her
do a couple of the dolls
1213
01:26:22,428 --> 01:26:25,888
and the--
and the clothing,
1214
01:26:25,931 --> 01:26:29,681
and she said what was
surprising is how few times
she had to start over.
1215
01:26:29,727 --> 01:26:33,647
Like, she was able to just
be meticulous about--
Here's some food.
1216
01:26:33,689 --> 01:26:36,899
I think this is salad
and a piece of pizza.
A salad and a piece of pizza.
1217
01:26:36,942 --> 01:26:40,572
Here's a little
laptop computer.
1218
01:26:40,613 --> 01:26:43,203
See there's even
detail on the screen.
1219
01:26:46,076 --> 01:26:49,156
Look at the cute little heart
on the front of the computer.
1220
01:26:50,247 --> 01:26:52,037
This looks like
it's another TV.
1221
01:26:52,082 --> 01:26:55,332
Oh, and there's--
how appropriate.
1222
01:26:55,377 --> 01:26:58,497
There's a courtroom drama
playing in the background.
1223
01:27:00,132 --> 01:27:03,932
When I ask her
what she wants to watch
on TV that night--
1224
01:27:03,969 --> 01:27:07,099
it's one of the things
I usually ask her when
I talk to her on the phone--
1225
01:27:07,139 --> 01:27:11,519
she'll say that it depends
on whose turn it is to decide.
1226
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,850
And she's in a cell by herself,
1227
01:27:13,896 --> 01:27:16,976
so she's the only person there.
1228
01:27:17,024 --> 01:27:19,984
♪ ♪
1229
01:27:40,589 --> 01:27:44,679
I do a lot of stuff
with running numbers
in my head.
1230
01:27:47,721 --> 01:27:49,011
I do...
1231
01:27:51,767 --> 01:27:57,187
I try to put up static,
almost, is how I describe it.
1232
01:27:59,108 --> 01:28:02,148
I wish that I could talk
to her about--
1233
01:28:02,194 --> 01:28:06,244
like, I have-- right now,
there's like patterns
1234
01:28:06,281 --> 01:28:11,661
of light
and geometric shapes
1235
01:28:11,704 --> 01:28:13,454
that's, like, always racing.
1236
01:28:14,498 --> 01:28:16,208
Like always,
like right now.
1237
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:20,210
Pshew, pshew, pshew,
pshew, pshew, pshew.
1238
01:28:20,254 --> 01:28:23,054
I always wanted to know
if she sees that stuff, too.
1239
01:28:25,050 --> 01:28:29,260
Everything seems normal
to me, because it's--
it's my everything.
1240
01:28:29,304 --> 01:28:31,604
This is how
I've always seen things.
1241
01:28:33,559 --> 01:28:35,809
So, it doesn't seem weird
to me that like,
1242
01:28:35,853 --> 01:28:37,773
"Oh that's not how
you see street lights?"
1243
01:28:37,813 --> 01:28:41,023
or "Oh, that's weird."
1244
01:28:41,066 --> 01:28:43,816
I don't know if that was
everyone that had like
a weird little visual...
1245
01:28:45,154 --> 01:28:46,284
thing going on...
1246
01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:49,781
like the glaring demon, devil.
1247
01:28:49,825 --> 01:28:53,905
Like that you're like,
"Okay, this is clearly
not real."
1248
01:28:53,954 --> 01:28:56,124
But it doesn't matter.
Like, I've had where...
1249
01:28:57,916 --> 01:28:59,076
like you...
1250
01:29:00,794 --> 01:29:05,804
you can see it
and you know it's not real...
1251
01:29:05,841 --> 01:29:08,261
but it totally doesn't matter,
because you're still
terrified of it.
1252
01:29:08,302 --> 01:29:10,472
Like, I know that there's...
1253
01:29:11,805 --> 01:29:14,675
I know the devil's
not in the backseat,
1254
01:29:14,725 --> 01:29:18,595
but the devil is
in the backseat.
You know?
1255
01:29:23,484 --> 01:29:25,154
Yeah, sometimes
you know it's not real,
1256
01:29:25,194 --> 01:29:29,284
but it still smells, tastes,
and looks real, so it's real.
1257
01:29:29,323 --> 01:29:31,823
♪ ♪
1258
01:29:38,373 --> 01:29:40,173
Attorney:
Could you just describe,
in general terms,
1259
01:29:40,209 --> 01:29:42,709
what you found in the bedroom
when you went through it?
1260
01:29:42,753 --> 01:29:48,423
There were...
numerous... notebooks
1261
01:29:48,467 --> 01:29:52,837
and pieces of paper
with drawings
1262
01:29:52,888 --> 01:29:58,178
and writings pertaining
to the Slenderman character.
1263
01:30:02,272 --> 01:30:05,402
♪ ♪
1264
01:30:38,517 --> 01:30:40,347
Attorney:
Where was
all this stuff located?
1265
01:30:42,604 --> 01:30:44,354
All in Morgan's bedroom.
1266
01:30:51,363 --> 01:30:54,993
Collins:
When you ask Morgan...
1267
01:30:55,033 --> 01:30:57,533
"What if Slenderman
doesn't exist?"
1268
01:30:58,453 --> 01:31:00,003
She can't tolerate that.
1269
01:31:00,038 --> 01:31:01,618
She becomes
somewhat oppositional,
1270
01:31:01,665 --> 01:31:03,865
and says
she knows it's true,
1271
01:31:03,917 --> 01:31:07,167
and it can't
be proven untrue,
so it's true.
1272
01:31:07,212 --> 01:31:08,302
Attorney:
Did Morgan use the words
1273
01:31:08,338 --> 01:31:10,048
"It had to be done?"
Yes.
1274
01:31:10,090 --> 01:31:12,380
Attorney: Did you
tell her to say that?
I did not.
1275
01:31:12,426 --> 01:31:14,716
Attorney: She's volunteering
this to you?
Correct.
1276
01:31:14,761 --> 01:31:16,221
(pen scratching)
1277
01:31:16,263 --> 01:31:18,143
Attorney:
That seems like
an unusual thing to say.
1278
01:31:18,182 --> 01:31:21,102
It does.
Attorney: Did you ask her
what she meant by that?
1279
01:31:21,143 --> 01:31:25,233
I did.
Attorney: And did you have
to ask her multiple times?
1280
01:31:25,272 --> 01:31:26,562
I did.
1281
01:31:26,607 --> 01:31:28,687
Attorney:
Okay, after you asked her
multiple times
1282
01:31:28,734 --> 01:31:31,654
what she meant
by "It had to be done,"
1283
01:31:31,695 --> 01:31:33,855
what did she offer you
or what did she say?
1284
01:31:33,906 --> 01:31:35,776
She told me
that the man ordered it.
1285
01:31:39,036 --> 01:31:41,486
(attorney speaks)
1286
01:31:41,538 --> 01:31:42,538
Grunke:
Yes, I did.
1287
01:31:42,581 --> 01:31:43,661
(attorney speaks)
1288
01:31:43,707 --> 01:31:44,787
She held up three fingers.
1289
01:31:44,833 --> 01:31:47,333
Attorney: Like three?
Three.
1290
01:31:47,377 --> 01:31:50,497
Attorney: What did that--
did you try to understand
what that meant?
1291
01:31:50,547 --> 01:31:52,707
I asked her if that meant
three years ago,
1292
01:31:52,758 --> 01:31:55,928
and she said,
"No, at age three."
1293
01:31:55,969 --> 01:31:59,849
She believed that
she communicated telepathically
1294
01:31:59,890 --> 01:32:03,100
with Slenderman, and that...
1295
01:32:03,143 --> 01:32:06,523
once the communication began,
that she had to do
1296
01:32:06,563 --> 01:32:09,273
what it was
that Slenderman demanded.
1297
01:32:09,316 --> 01:32:11,186
Attorney 2:
And if she didn't do
what was demanded,
1298
01:32:11,235 --> 01:32:12,855
her family
wouldn't be safe?
1299
01:32:12,903 --> 01:32:15,453
Robbins:
She wouldn't be safe,
her family wouldn't be safe.
1300
01:32:15,489 --> 01:32:18,109
Attorney 2:
Dr. Robbins,
was Morgan's entry
1301
01:32:18,158 --> 01:32:22,328
into this particular crime
because of her psychosis?
1302
01:32:26,208 --> 01:32:27,498
I believe so.
1303
01:32:33,465 --> 01:32:36,675
Casimir:
It bears saying
that schizophrenia,
1304
01:32:36,718 --> 01:32:41,298
in and of itself,
is not a dangerous illness.
1305
01:32:41,348 --> 01:32:44,268
There are many 35-year-olds
who have schizophrenia
1306
01:32:44,309 --> 01:32:47,099
who don't have
to be incarcerated,
1307
01:32:47,145 --> 01:32:49,935
who can be managed
in a community.
1308
01:32:49,982 --> 01:32:53,442
However, there's
a second part to that.
1309
01:32:53,485 --> 01:32:59,065
When your delusion--
when your fixed delusion
1310
01:32:59,116 --> 01:33:01,026
tells you to kill people...
1311
01:33:02,577 --> 01:33:04,997
and when your...
1312
01:33:05,038 --> 01:33:09,038
insight doesn't allow you
to seek treatment,
1313
01:33:10,210 --> 01:33:12,840
then schizophrenia
becomes dangerous.
1314
01:33:12,879 --> 01:33:15,259
It is a dangerous
illness untreated...
1315
01:33:16,341 --> 01:33:18,761
and hence...
we're here.
1316
01:33:19,803 --> 01:33:22,603
(chattering)
(birds chirping)
1317
01:33:24,433 --> 01:33:27,773
Matt:
You are just so lost
in your illness
1318
01:33:27,811 --> 01:33:31,061
that no one knew about...
1319
01:33:31,106 --> 01:33:34,316
and then for people just
to hate her like that,
just hate you--
1320
01:33:34,359 --> 01:33:36,479
"I hate that little girl.
I hope she burns."
1321
01:33:36,528 --> 01:33:40,108
Like, having people
call my house and tell me,
1322
01:33:40,157 --> 01:33:43,197
"You're going to burn in hell
and so is your daughter."
1323
01:33:45,787 --> 01:33:47,697
People don't
understand that...
1324
01:33:48,623 --> 01:33:51,083
(emotionally)
she loves Bella.
1325
01:33:51,126 --> 01:33:53,416
We love Bella...
1326
01:33:54,963 --> 01:33:59,093
so much, and she still talks
about her like they're friends.
1327
01:34:03,221 --> 01:34:07,891
Oh my god.
She loves her
like I love her.
1328
01:34:10,312 --> 01:34:14,612
And like, for people
to talk about her the way
they do, it's like--
1329
01:34:14,649 --> 01:34:17,939
Morgan loved Bella.
She's-- like, how sick are you
1330
01:34:17,986 --> 01:34:20,276
that you would do that
to your best friend?
1331
01:34:20,322 --> 01:34:22,912
Because you're afraid
of something happening,
1332
01:34:22,949 --> 01:34:25,779
or because you want
something happen.
1333
01:34:25,827 --> 01:34:28,617
You want
to become something...
1334
01:34:28,663 --> 01:34:32,123
because your illness
dictated that this is
something you need to be.
1335
01:34:33,335 --> 01:34:35,125
Just blows me away...
1336
01:34:36,463 --> 01:34:39,513
that people are like that.
It just makes me sad.
1337
01:34:39,549 --> 01:34:41,339
(sniffles)
I wish people knew.
1338
01:34:41,385 --> 01:34:44,425
(crying)
♪ ♪
1339
01:34:57,025 --> 01:34:58,975
(Morgan speaking)
1340
01:35:12,958 --> 01:35:14,668
(whistling)
1341
01:35:19,631 --> 01:35:21,341
(Anissa speaking
on video)
1342
01:35:23,218 --> 01:35:24,378
(speaks indistinctly)
1343
01:35:24,428 --> 01:35:26,008
(Anissa speaking
on video)
1344
01:35:27,347 --> 01:35:28,467
(Anissa sighs)
1345
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,540
♪ ♪
1346
01:35:59,421 --> 01:36:00,551
(clears throat)
1347
01:36:13,268 --> 01:36:15,938
(Trussoni speaking)
1348
01:36:20,567 --> 01:36:21,567
(Anissa speaks)
1349
01:36:22,569 --> 01:36:24,739
(Trussoni speaking)
1350
01:36:37,459 --> 01:36:38,959
(Trussoni speaking)
1351
01:36:42,422 --> 01:36:46,552
The regular ones are
just the regular cat treats
that you're used to.
1352
01:36:46,593 --> 01:36:48,843
Just to say,
"I love you, kitty."
1353
01:36:48,887 --> 01:36:51,967
Cat Snacks are only 2.99
at your local grocery store.
1354
01:36:53,308 --> 01:36:54,308
(Casey speaks)
1355
01:36:55,310 --> 01:36:56,600
(Morgan speaking)
1356
01:37:01,274 --> 01:37:02,274
Attorney:
Thank you.
1357
01:37:03,818 --> 01:37:06,608
Detective, did you have
a chance to watch
that compilation?
1358
01:37:07,656 --> 01:37:09,236
I saw the compilation.
1359
01:37:09,282 --> 01:37:11,702
Attorney:
And would you agree
that that's you present
1360
01:37:11,743 --> 01:37:13,453
in that room
with Morgan Geyser?
1361
01:37:14,329 --> 01:37:15,659
Those were...
1362
01:37:15,705 --> 01:37:17,615
pieces of the interview
1363
01:37:17,666 --> 01:37:20,666
that was me
and Morgan together.
1364
01:37:20,710 --> 01:37:23,090
Attorney:
Did you tell Morgan she could
have parents available
1365
01:37:23,129 --> 01:37:25,299
to talk to before
you interrogated her?
1366
01:37:25,340 --> 01:37:27,920
I did not tell her that,
because that wasn't an option.
1367
01:37:27,968 --> 01:37:30,008
Attorney:
You weren't going to let
her parents be present?
1368
01:37:30,053 --> 01:37:32,803
Correct.
Attorney: Or let her even have
a phone call to talk to them?
1369
01:37:34,307 --> 01:37:37,347
Um, we did not offer her
a phone call.
1370
01:37:39,563 --> 01:37:42,363
Attorney:
At some point were you
provided with Anissa's phone?
1371
01:37:42,399 --> 01:37:44,569
Casey: Yes, I was.
Attorney: Did you have
a chance to look
1372
01:37:44,609 --> 01:37:47,609
at any of the... messages
on that phone?
1373
01:37:47,654 --> 01:37:49,154
Yes, I did.
1374
01:37:49,197 --> 01:37:51,657
It says,
"This is my final wish
to those who care..."
1375
01:37:59,624 --> 01:38:02,214
♪ ♪
1376
01:38:07,841 --> 01:38:10,171
(crying)
1377
01:38:31,906 --> 01:38:32,986
Trussoni:
Mm-hmm.
1378
01:38:37,704 --> 01:38:41,004
♪ ♪
1379
01:38:55,889 --> 01:38:58,599
(church bell ringing)
1380
01:39:01,519 --> 01:39:03,309
Attorney:
Where did you locate
the suspects?
1381
01:39:03,355 --> 01:39:07,145
Thom Moerman:
They were located right
by I-94 in Waukesha County.
1382
01:39:07,192 --> 01:39:09,482
Attorney:
Did you notice anything
1383
01:39:09,527 --> 01:39:11,647
about Anissa's
emotional state
1384
01:39:11,696 --> 01:39:12,946
when you
had contact with her?
1385
01:39:14,282 --> 01:39:16,072
She said she was scared,
1386
01:39:16,117 --> 01:39:18,407
and I asked what was
she scared of?
1387
01:39:18,453 --> 01:39:20,333
Attorney: And do you recall
what she said to you?
1388
01:39:20,372 --> 01:39:23,292
She made mention
that if she told me,
1389
01:39:23,333 --> 01:39:24,923
I would think
that she was crazy,
1390
01:39:24,959 --> 01:39:27,709
and I told her
that I didn't think
anybody was crazy.
1391
01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:31,300
Trussoni:
Okay.
1392
01:39:31,341 --> 01:39:33,931
(exhales)
(clattering)
1393
01:39:43,645 --> 01:39:45,595
(mutters)
1394
01:39:55,407 --> 01:39:57,317
(breathes shakily)
1395
01:40:00,578 --> 01:40:02,328
(Trussoni speaks
on video)
1396
01:40:03,331 --> 01:40:05,501
(Anissa speaking)
1397
01:40:20,348 --> 01:40:22,138
(Morgan speaking)
1398
01:40:24,352 --> 01:40:25,602
(Casey speaking)
1399
01:40:38,366 --> 01:40:40,866
(cellphone playing tune)
(speaks indistinctly)
1400
01:40:47,333 --> 01:40:48,713
Can you ask the question
again please?
1401
01:40:48,752 --> 01:40:50,712
Attorney 2:
One of the first communications
1402
01:40:50,754 --> 01:40:52,924
before any
of the search requests
1403
01:40:52,964 --> 01:40:54,594
was found
on Anissa's phone
1404
01:40:54,632 --> 01:40:56,132
that was provided
by her parents, correct?
1405
01:40:56,176 --> 01:40:58,546
Correct.
Attorney 2: It was basically
a goodbye letter.
1406
01:40:59,721 --> 01:41:00,971
Correct?
Yes.
1407
01:41:02,265 --> 01:41:04,265
Attorney 2:
And basically indicated that
1408
01:41:04,309 --> 01:41:06,309
people should remember
who she was,
1409
01:41:06,352 --> 01:41:08,772
not grieve for her...
1410
01:41:08,813 --> 01:41:10,523
and that she
wouldn't do them harm.
1411
01:41:10,565 --> 01:41:12,935
Correct.
Attorney 2:
Nothing further, Your Honor.
1412
01:41:12,984 --> 01:41:16,034
♪ ♪
1413
01:41:18,907 --> 01:41:22,027
(character blabbering on iPad)
1414
01:41:23,661 --> 01:41:26,661
Bill:
Aiden? Wrap it up, chief.
we got places to go.
1415
01:41:26,706 --> 01:41:30,166
All right? We have
to run over to the school
1416
01:41:30,210 --> 01:41:34,050
for a mandatory meeting
about iPads--
1417
01:41:34,088 --> 01:41:35,708
setting up their iPad...
1418
01:41:36,633 --> 01:41:38,723
and using
their iPad, and...
1419
01:41:40,637 --> 01:41:42,177
the disadvantages
they'll be at
1420
01:41:42,222 --> 01:41:44,512
if they're not allowed
to use their iPad.
1421
01:41:45,767 --> 01:41:47,927
(sighs)
You know?
1422
01:41:47,977 --> 01:41:51,477
I don't think
anybody can really,
you know, begrudge me
1423
01:41:51,523 --> 01:41:53,113
for thinking
the way I do about...
1424
01:41:54,526 --> 01:41:56,276
a bunch of fifth graders
getting iPads.
1425
01:41:56,319 --> 01:41:58,739
You know,
based on what this family
has been through.
1426
01:41:58,780 --> 01:42:00,450
At the same token...
1427
01:42:04,035 --> 01:42:06,445
you know, I don't want
to hinder his learning.
1428
01:42:07,413 --> 01:42:09,123
(blabbering)
1429
01:42:11,501 --> 01:42:13,791
Bill:
I guess I just need to...
1430
01:42:13,837 --> 01:42:15,627
get over
my own reservations
about it.
1431
01:42:17,298 --> 01:42:18,628
And about the iPads.
1432
01:42:20,844 --> 01:42:22,644
If I'd had my way,
he wouldn't have one.
1433
01:42:25,723 --> 01:42:28,773
You have a child that is...
1434
01:42:31,145 --> 01:42:34,725
incarcerated, for lack
of a better term...
1435
01:42:34,774 --> 01:42:36,444
but your other life
still has to go on,
1436
01:42:36,484 --> 01:42:39,324
so you still have to be able
to support your other children
1437
01:42:39,362 --> 01:42:42,202
with the activities
that they're in, and...
1438
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:44,820
you do your best
to support your children
1439
01:42:44,868 --> 01:42:46,448
that you can't
have access to...
1440
01:42:48,037 --> 01:42:51,117
and have to explain
to Anissa that,
1441
01:42:51,165 --> 01:42:53,495
"Well, I might not be able
to come up on Tuesday,
1442
01:42:53,543 --> 01:42:55,673
"because Aiden has
a pack meeting.
1443
01:42:55,712 --> 01:42:57,172
I have to be there
for that."
1444
01:42:59,007 --> 01:43:03,047
I've had
conversations with...
my oldest son.
1445
01:43:03,094 --> 01:43:06,354
I was out in the backyard.
He comes outside, he says
to me, "What's wrong?"
1446
01:43:06,389 --> 01:43:10,309
(clock ticking)
1447
01:43:30,455 --> 01:43:32,325
(breathes deeply)
1448
01:43:38,087 --> 01:43:39,587
That's when I told him...
1449
01:43:39,631 --> 01:43:41,461
it's just stressful
as hell...
1450
01:43:44,469 --> 01:43:49,179
trying to keep
everything as balanced
as it can possibly be.
1451
01:43:52,435 --> 01:43:54,805
(sighs)
You never get
a day off...
1452
01:43:59,192 --> 01:44:00,572
(emotionally)
and it wears on you.
1453
01:44:04,989 --> 01:44:06,699
It just really wears
the shit outta ya.
1454
01:44:09,327 --> 01:44:13,537
Because you have
to do so much more...
1455
01:44:16,417 --> 01:44:18,497
to try to keep everybody
1456
01:44:18,544 --> 01:44:21,594
in a positive place,
including yourself.
1457
01:44:28,012 --> 01:44:29,052
It's...
1458
01:44:30,556 --> 01:44:31,926
It's mentally...
1459
01:44:33,351 --> 01:44:37,691
and emotionally
and physically just draining.
1460
01:44:42,735 --> 01:44:44,275
(sniffles)
1461
01:44:50,368 --> 01:44:52,238
(birds chirping)
1462
01:44:55,873 --> 01:44:57,923
Angie:
I knew it was
always a risk,
1463
01:44:57,959 --> 01:45:01,499
simply because of... genetics
1464
01:45:01,546 --> 01:45:04,706
that one of our children
might develop schizophrenia.
1465
01:45:06,759 --> 01:45:08,929
I never thought something
like this would happen.
1466
01:45:11,055 --> 01:45:12,425
Matt is so...
1467
01:45:14,267 --> 01:45:18,057
He's so high functioning
and he's so... stable.
1468
01:45:19,731 --> 01:45:23,021
I just know
that he's developed
an awareness
1469
01:45:23,067 --> 01:45:25,107
of what's real
and what's not.
1470
01:45:26,904 --> 01:45:29,204
And I think,
for Morgan,
1471
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:30,990
those lines are
still pretty blurry...
1472
01:45:33,786 --> 01:45:35,576
but it's all
still very real to her.
1473
01:45:35,621 --> 01:45:38,661
♪ ♪
1474
01:45:38,708 --> 01:45:43,128
In general,
Morgan's just becoming
more and more lost
1475
01:45:43,171 --> 01:45:45,591
and involved
in this world
1476
01:45:45,631 --> 01:45:48,301
of imaginary friends
that she has.
1477
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:54,930
The best possible situation
would be that she ends up
in an environment
1478
01:45:54,974 --> 01:45:57,184
where she can
receive treatment
for her schizophrenia,
1479
01:45:57,226 --> 01:46:00,056
and that would be
a psychiatric facility.
1480
01:46:00,104 --> 01:46:02,734
Not prison.
She can't go to prison.
1481
01:46:02,774 --> 01:46:05,114
♪ ♪
1482
01:46:06,819 --> 01:46:09,819
I think
it's kind of cruel
of the courts...
1483
01:46:11,407 --> 01:46:14,617
to have a law where
you can take two girls
1484
01:46:14,660 --> 01:46:16,990
who are not
troublemakers prior...
1485
01:46:19,207 --> 01:46:22,077
And they did not try
to hide what they did.
1486
01:46:22,126 --> 01:46:24,626
They did not lie
about what they did.
1487
01:46:24,670 --> 01:46:26,550
They were
very truthful for it.
1488
01:46:26,589 --> 01:46:29,879
And it's like they're being
punished extra because of it.
1489
01:46:33,054 --> 01:46:35,724
Well, let's hope the judge
is gonna have some good news.
1490
01:46:37,058 --> 01:46:39,388
Some very good news.
1491
01:46:39,435 --> 01:46:42,225
The two young girls
accused of stabbing
their classmate
1492
01:46:42,271 --> 01:46:43,691
are back in court.
1493
01:46:43,731 --> 01:46:45,481
WISN 12 news'
Hillary Mintz
1494
01:46:45,525 --> 01:46:47,565
is live in Waukesha County
with the very latest.
1495
01:46:47,610 --> 01:46:49,070
Hillary.
Well, Melinda,
1496
01:46:49,112 --> 01:46:51,572
for pretty much the past year
since the stabbing happened,
1497
01:46:51,614 --> 01:46:53,994
a judge here
at the county courthouse
1498
01:46:54,033 --> 01:46:56,283
has been trying to figure out
"Should Morgan Geyser
1499
01:46:56,327 --> 01:46:59,287
and Anissa Weier be tried
as adults or juveniles?"
1500
01:46:59,330 --> 01:47:01,620
That decision is expected
to come today,
1501
01:47:01,666 --> 01:47:05,166
and the stakes
in that decision
are extremely high.
1502
01:47:05,211 --> 01:47:08,001
♪ ♪
1503
01:47:08,047 --> 01:47:10,257
The victim,
13-year-old Payton Leutner,
1504
01:47:10,299 --> 01:47:11,799
has physically recovered,
1505
01:47:11,843 --> 01:47:13,683
but they say
she is still dealing
1506
01:47:13,719 --> 01:47:15,679
with the emotional damage.
1507
01:47:15,721 --> 01:47:18,721
♪ ♪
1508
01:47:37,076 --> 01:47:40,076
The court's prepared
to proceed with the ruling.
1509
01:47:46,544 --> 01:47:49,634
The court easily finds
that this is a violent,
1510
01:47:49,672 --> 01:47:52,172
premeditated,
personal offense.
1511
01:47:52,216 --> 01:47:54,176
There was
a conscious decision made
1512
01:47:54,218 --> 01:47:56,638
at the time of the offense
to let the victim die.
1513
01:47:58,264 --> 01:48:01,224
They told P.L.
that they would leave
to get her help.
1514
01:48:01,267 --> 01:48:03,427
They did leave...
1515
01:48:03,477 --> 01:48:06,687
and they left, walking
to the Nicolet National Forest
1516
01:48:06,731 --> 01:48:08,311
to locate
the Slenderman Mansion
1517
01:48:08,357 --> 01:48:10,067
and then meet up
with Slenderman.
1518
01:48:11,736 --> 01:48:14,146
This is charged
as an attempted murder,
1519
01:48:14,197 --> 01:48:16,567
but you have
to keep in mind
for both defendants
1520
01:48:16,616 --> 01:48:19,906
that this was in fact--
this was an effort
to kill someone,
1521
01:48:19,952 --> 01:48:22,082
not a mistake
by hitting them too hard,
1522
01:48:22,121 --> 01:48:24,621
not a mistake
by pushing them
too hard.
1523
01:48:26,083 --> 01:48:27,543
The issue
of brain development
1524
01:48:27,585 --> 01:48:29,915
is important
for the court to consider.
1525
01:48:29,962 --> 01:48:32,382
They were young
when the offense occurred,
1526
01:48:32,423 --> 01:48:34,593
but they get older
every day, frankly.
1527
01:48:34,634 --> 01:48:36,134
They're a year older today.
1528
01:48:38,596 --> 01:48:41,136
But what happens at age 18?
And in this court's view,
1529
01:48:41,182 --> 01:48:44,682
that's a critical factor
for the court to evaluate.
1530
01:48:45,895 --> 01:48:47,895
There would be
no oversight, no control,
1531
01:48:47,939 --> 01:48:51,819
no ways to ensure
public safety.
1532
01:48:51,859 --> 01:48:54,149
They've committed
an offense that is serious.
1533
01:48:54,195 --> 01:48:55,985
It's-- it's, frankly, vicious.
1534
01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:59,160
There has to be assurance that
that doesn't happen again,
1535
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:01,030
that a serious offense
1536
01:49:01,077 --> 01:49:03,737
is dealt with
on a serious basis
1537
01:49:03,788 --> 01:49:05,788
that offers protections
to everyone.
1538
01:49:05,831 --> 01:49:09,001
On that basis then,
I'll order that the defendants,
1539
01:49:09,043 --> 01:49:10,713
Ms. Geyser and Ms. Weier,
1540
01:49:10,753 --> 01:49:13,343
be retained
in the adult jurisdiction.
1541
01:49:13,381 --> 01:49:14,671
As so ordered.
1542
01:49:18,636 --> 01:49:20,836
Nick Bohr:
There were tears and some
surprise here in court
1543
01:49:20,888 --> 01:49:24,308
as a judge denied a motion
by lawyers for both girls
1544
01:49:24,350 --> 01:49:26,930
to have their cases handled
in juvenile court.
1545
01:49:26,978 --> 01:49:28,888
Anissa Weier's lawyer
went on to say
1546
01:49:28,938 --> 01:49:31,858
they'll be discussing
the possibility of an appeal.
1547
01:49:31,899 --> 01:49:34,979
The victim's father here said
they wouldn't be commenting,
1548
01:49:35,027 --> 01:49:37,527
though the family
did appear to be upbeat
1549
01:49:37,571 --> 01:49:38,861
following this decision.
1550
01:49:38,906 --> 01:49:41,866
♪ ♪
1551
01:50:02,305 --> 01:50:05,595
Bill:
I'm sure that they would
have been found eventually.
1552
01:50:05,641 --> 01:50:08,731
I think they never would have
made it to the state forest.
1553
01:50:11,063 --> 01:50:14,363
From Waukesha
to the Nicolet State Forest
1554
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,030
is a good four-
to five-hour drive.
1555
01:50:17,069 --> 01:50:19,399
And they thought
they were going to walk that?
1556
01:50:21,115 --> 01:50:26,235
They had no idea
of what it would take
to walk that distance.
1557
01:50:29,874 --> 01:50:36,754
The judge ordered
that Anissa have no contact
with the Internet.
1558
01:50:38,799 --> 01:50:41,009
The judge also ordered
that, you know,
1559
01:50:41,052 --> 01:50:43,552
she have no contact
with the co-defendant.
1560
01:50:43,596 --> 01:50:46,096
♪ ♪
1561
01:50:52,605 --> 01:50:56,435
Angie:
Morgan has no access
to the outdoors.
1562
01:50:57,985 --> 01:51:01,275
Not even a window
to look out.
1563
01:51:02,531 --> 01:51:05,411
Morgan says that
this doesn't bother her,
1564
01:51:05,451 --> 01:51:08,791
because she doesn't want
to go outside anymore.
1565
01:51:08,829 --> 01:51:11,119
(birds chirping)
1566
01:51:13,084 --> 01:51:18,964
One of the things
that Anissa and her
had talked about was,
1567
01:51:19,006 --> 01:51:20,626
no matter what happened...
1568
01:51:21,592 --> 01:51:23,472
they would
always be together.
1569
01:51:24,678 --> 01:51:27,388
(crow caws)
(no discernible dialog)
1570
01:51:27,431 --> 01:51:29,681
♪ ♪
1571
01:51:42,655 --> 01:51:45,485
(chains clinking)
(camera clicking)
1572
01:51:59,630 --> 01:52:03,130
(mouse clicking)
(camera clicking)
1573
01:52:03,175 --> 01:52:04,795
(woman coughs)
(whispering)
1574
01:52:10,349 --> 01:52:12,719
♪ ♪
1575
01:52:34,999 --> 01:52:36,039
(mouse clicks)
1576
01:52:38,252 --> 01:52:42,422
♪ ♪
1577
01:52:53,601 --> 01:52:56,231
(church bell ringing)
1578
01:53:50,449 --> 01:53:53,909
♪ ♪
1579
01:54:41,083 --> 01:54:43,833
(hums)
(pen scratches)