溫斯頓·丘吉爾: 在野生涯
躺著
let sleeping dogs lie 直譯: 讓睡著的狗躺著 不要插手一件事而導致它變糟
首相
是 大臣
第三季 第六集
翻|校|監 草草
時間軸 想念Gallifrey的Wholock
后期 8T
知易行難
他什么時候來 What time is he coming?
隨時了 Any time.
現在該到了 Should be here now.
他會不會出什么事了 Perhaps something's happened to him.
你是說 他可能誤了公交車嗎 You mean, you think he's missed his bus?
不不不 No, no, no, no, no.
我是說 I mean
他可能... something may have...
出事了 happened.
他究竟是什么人啊 Who is he, exactly?
我只知道他是名陸軍軍官 All I know is he's an army officer
有事要告訴我 with something to tell me
還不肯在電話上說 and he wouldn't divulge on the telephone.
可能根本沒什么 It's probably nothing.
或許吧 Perhaps.
不過 記得丘吉爾嗎 《在野生涯》 Still, remember Churchill, The Wilderness Years?
他就是通過陸軍軍官得知了 He found out about our military inadequacy
我軍軍力不足和希特勒戰爭機器的事 and Hitler's war machine from army officers.
所以他在野期間 So all the time he was in the wilderness
一直在向媒體透露消息 he was able to leak stories to the press
讓政府難堪 and embarrass the government.
我也可以那么做 I could do that!
但你就是政府的 But you're IN the government.
對哦 Yes!
我去開 I'll get it.
-桑德斯少校 -是 先生 - Major Saunders? - Yes, sir.
請進 Come in.
跟我來 Follow me.
沒事的 It's all right.
這是我妻子 安妮 My wife, Annie.
晚上好 Good evening.
-喝點嗎 -謝謝 - Drink? - Thanks.
-威士忌 -謝謝 - Scotch? - Thanks.
-坐下吧 -謝謝 - Sit down. - Thanks.
不用一直感謝我 好嗎 No need to keep thanking me, all right?
謝謝...抱歉 Thanks. I mean, sorry.
也不用道歉 No need to apologise, either.
抱歉...謝謝... Sorry. I mean, thanks. I mean...
要我回避 讓你們私下聊嗎 Shall I go and let you two talk in private together?
不不 請留下吧 如果您不介意 No, no, no, please stay, if that's all right with you.
不介意 我對安妮沒有秘密 Yes. No secrets from Annie.
我什么都告訴她 I tell her everything.
一般還說好幾次 Several times, usually!
那么 這是絕密嗎 So, is this highly confidential?
的確是 Well, it is, rather, yes.
要我打開收音機嗎 Shall I turn on the radio?
怎么 有什么好節目嗎 Why? Is there something good on?
是以防我們被竊聽 In case we're being bugged.
有這可能嗎 Is that likely?
竊聽政客是誰負責 Who's in charge of bugging politicians?
是啊 說起來 是我 Yes, come to think of it, I am!
那就沒事了 That's all right, then.
我想說 我馬上要告訴您的事 Could I just say that what I'm about to tell you
算是私下跟您說的 I'm telling you on a personal basis?
好 Fine...
這話什么意思 What do you mean, exactly?
我是在告訴您本人 I'm telling you personally
而不是在告訴行政事務部大臣 and not as Minister for Administrative Affairs.
但我就是行政事務部大臣 But I am Minister of Administrative Affairs.
是 但我不是告訴那個角色的您 Yes, but I'm not telling you in that role.
我告訴您 是以記者的身份 I'm telling you as a journalist.
你是記者嗎 你不是陸軍軍官嗎 You're a journalist? I thought you were an army officer?
不 您是記者 No, YOU'RE a journalist.
我是大臣 I'm a minister.
是 但您做大臣之前是什么身份 Yes, but what were you before you became a minister?
第一題10分 不得商議 Your starter for ten, no conferring!
是 我明白你的意思了 Yes, I get your drift.
你有事要告訴我 You're telling me what you're telling me,
對了 我還不知道你要告訴我什么 and incidently, I don't know yet what you're telling me,
但不管你要告訴我什么 but whatever you're telling me,
你是告訴作為《改革》前編輯的我 you're telling me as the former editor of "Reform".
-是嗎 -對 - Is that? - Yes.
您當年是位好編輯 You were a very fine editor.
我可不會那么說 Well, I wouldn't say that.
你總那么說的 Well, you've often said that!
但我要怎么阻止作為大臣的自己 But how do I prevent myself, as a minister,
得知你即將告訴作為前編輯的我的事呢 from knowing what you're going to tell me as the former editor?
我無法阻止大臣知道 是吧 I mean, I can't prevent the minister from knowing, can I?
我覺得他是說 這事關戴什么帽子 I think he means it's a question of hats,
-親愛的 -是的 - darling. - Yes.
好吧 那我今晚就不戴我的大臣帽了 Fine, well, I'm not wearing my ministerial hat tonight,
這我理解 但我該提醒你 I understand that, but I think I ought to warn you,
如果我需要被告知你告訴我的事 that if I need to be told what you tell me,
我會毫不遲疑地盡責 讓我掌握情況 I shan't hesitate to do my duty to keep myself fully informed!
好 Fine.
將英國武器賣給外國人的事是誰負責 Now, who's in charge of selling British weapons to foreigners?
-倫敦政經學院 哈克 -閉嘴 安妮 - Hacker, LSE. - Shut up, Annie.
您曾在《改革》上發表過篇文章 You wrote an article in "Reform"
是關于將英國武器出售給不良外國買家的 about the sale of British weapons to undesirable foreign buyers.
是的 是叫《可怕交易》 Yes, yes, it was called "The Dreadful Trade".
制造武器供國防 Perfectly patriotic to manufacture arms
和盟友使用的確是愛國行為 for our own defence or for that of our allies'.
盡管我們的盟友并非都十分值得稱道 Although not all our allies are very commendable people.
但我們決不能讓英國武器 But we must not sell British weapons
被用來助紂為虐 給外國暴君 納粹獨裁者 to bolster the regimes of foreign despots, Nazi dictators...
-或是恐怖分子 -恐怖分子 - Or terrorists. - Terroris...
恐怖分子 Terrorists?
恐怖分子 Terrorists.
我跟您說了 我近來剛從羅馬回來 As I told you, I've recently returned from Rome.
對 北約任務 是吧 Yes. NATO assignment, was it?
對 去北約的軍事代表團 Yes. A military delegation to NATO.
我在那里期間 他們給我看了一樣 While I was there, they showed me something
他們突襲一間恐怖分子總部時查抄的東西 they'd captured in a raid on a terrorist HQ.
是一個電腦控制炸彈引爆裝置 It was a computerised bomb detonator.
很新 很機密 Very new, very secret,
而且很致命 and very lethal.
誰給你看的 Who showed it to you?
這我恐怕不能告訴您 I'm afraid I can't possibly tell you.
我必須保密 It's in absolute confidence.
好吧 I see.
電腦控制炸彈引爆裝置 Computerised bomb detonator?
是的 對它進行設置 來計算受害人體重 Yes, you set it to calculate the weight of the victim,
他的車速 等等 以確保能炸死他 speed of his car, and so on, so that you're sure of getting him,
而且還能遠程重編程 and you can reprogram it remotely,
在設好后 可用無線電修改 by radio, after setting it.
天啊 Gosh.
不知怎么 我不覺得意大利人 Somehow, I don't associate Italians
能有那樣的科技 with that sort of technology!
不是意大利制造的 It wasn't made in Italy.
是英國制造的 It was made here.
英國制造 Made in Britain?
對 Yes.
是國防部下的訂單 Under a Ministry of Defence contract
花的是英國納稅人的錢 and paid for by the British taxpayer.
-卻被意大利恐怖分子拿來用了嗎 -對 - And used by Italian terrorists? - Yes.
他們從哪弄到的 Where did they get them?
這就是我想知道的 That's what I want to know.
你沒跟別人說過吧 You haven't told anybody else about this?
沒有 我不能說 如果我正式上報 No, I can't, if I make an official report,
我就得說出消息源 then I'd have to disclose my sources. But
但我想著如果我告訴一個 I thought if I tell someone
靠近政府高層的人... near the top of government...
就是政府高層 AT the top, actually.
好 Yes...
告訴他 英國機密設備 that secret British equipment
被提供給了意大利恐怖分子 was being supplied to Italian terrorists,
-那他就會... -是啊 - then he would... - Absolutely.
他會什么 What would he?
查明事情原委 Find out how it's being done.
調查當然得在英國開始 The investigation would have to start here in Britain of course,
并且是從最高層開始 and at the very top level.
好吧 Fine.
但你不是說 你這算是 But you told me that you were telling me
私下告訴我的嗎 on a personal level, didn't you?
對 但現在您私下里知道了 Yes, but now you know personally,
即便您明面上還不知道 even if you don't know officially,
您也可以憑您私下里知道的事 you can use your personal knowledge
來發起官方調查 to start official investigations
正式確認個人懷疑 to get official confirmation of personal suspicions
這樣您現在私下知道 so what you now know personally,
但明面上不知道的事 but not officially,
到時便既正式知道又私下知道了 will then know officially as well as personally.
你不會跟漢弗萊·阿普比爵士是親戚吧 You're not related to Sir Humphrey Appleby by any chance?
-誰 -沒什么 - Who? - Never mind!
-我就是覺得我必須告訴誰 -當然了 - I just felt I had to tell someone. - Absolutely.
那好吧 Well,
現在我知道了 now I know,
私下知道了 personally.
太好了 Marvellous.
您打算做點什么吧 Going to do something about it, aren't you?
當然了 是的 Absolutely, indeed I am.
馬上嗎 And right away?
是的 Right away.
您打算做什么 What are you going to do?
我要考慮一下你告訴我的事 I'm going to think about what you've told me.
馬上考慮 Right away.
然后呢 And then?
然后我會考慮 And then I'm going to consider
各種措施選擇 various courses of action.
毫不耽擱 Without delay.
您要毫不耽擱地采取措施嗎 You're going to take action without delay.
我要毫不耽擱地考慮采取措施 I'm going to consider taking action without delay.
你不會跟漢弗萊·阿普比爵士是親戚吧 Are you related to Sir Humphrey Appleby?
再來一杯嗎 Another drink, then?
不了 我得走了 No, I must be off.
但我能指望您會解決這件令人震驚的事吧 But I can rely on you to tackle this shocking matter?
當然 Indeed you can.
-再見 -再見 - Goodbye. - Goodnight.
再見 少校 Goodnight, Major.
-再見 先生 -謝謝 - Goodnight, sir. - Thank you.
你怎么看 What do you make of that?
你會采取點行動吧 You're going to do something about it, aren't you?
當然了 如果此事不假 I certainly am, if it's right.
但我不敢相信會有這種事 But I can't believe it's true.
真有可能嗎 Could it happen?
不可能的 Couldn't.
可能嗎 Could it?
不僅僅是不該 更不可能啊 I mean, it's not just that it shouldn't. But it couldn't.
即便可能 也不會的 是吧 And if it could, it wouldn't. Would it?
你還真跟漢弗萊·阿普比爵士是親戚 You ARE related to Sir Humphrey Appleby!
漢弗萊 我有件事必須跟你說說 Humphrey, I must talk to you about something
這件事令我十分擔憂 something that concerns me deeply.
真的非常重要 Really profoundly important.
是政府機構庫存盤點的 Is it the amendment to the administrative order
行政命令修正案的事嗎 on stock control in government establishments?
不是 No.
還是地方政府特別開發區租賃權 Or the procedure for renewal of local authority leaseholds in
續約的規程問題 Special Development Areas?
不 讓我擔憂的 No, what concerns me
是事關生死的重大問題 is a great issue really of life and death.
那還是等到下班了再說吧 Shouldn't that wait till after work?
就是工作的事 It is work.
是嗎 Really?
請講 Please go on.
英國武器制造商要怎樣 How do British armaments manufacturers
向外國人出售武器 sell their arms to foreigners?
據我所知 這需要貿易部開具的 Well, I believe you have to get an export licence
出口許可證 from the Department of Trade.
所以私企可以向海外出售軍火 So private firms can sell their arms abroad?
私企和政府機構都可以 Private companies and government agencies.
他們都賣給誰 To whom do they sell?
-一般都是外國政府 -沒別的了嗎 - Well, foreign governments, usually. - Is that all?
有時 可以賣給軍火商 第三方 Well, sometimes you can sell to an arms dealer, third party.
或許 曼徹斯特的什么人 Perhaps, a little man in Manchester
替來自海峽群島的什么人下單 buys on behalf of a party in the Channel Islands
此人又在盧森堡有聯絡人 who has a contact in Luxembourg and...
-等等 -所以實際上無法控制 - so on. - So, there's no real control
軍火最終會流向誰 over who the arms go to in the end?
可以的 Indeed there is.
經銷商要提供一份最終用戶證書 The dealer has to provide an end user certificate
就是一個英國政府認可的簽名 which is a signature acceptable to Her Majesty's Government
證明最終用戶 的確是位受認可的用戶 that the ultimate customer is, in fact, an approved user.
那算是真正的保證嗎 Is that a real guarantee, I mean...
比如說 這會讓你覺得驚奇嗎 Would you be surprised, for instance,
如果一架英國航母 if a British aircraft carrier
出現在了中非共和國 turned up in the Central African Republic?
我 大臣 Well, I, for one, Minister,
的確會相當驚奇 would be very surprised.
因為那是在內陸一千英里的國家 It's 1,000 miles inland!
你明白我的意思 Yes, you know what I mean.
那小武器呢 What about smaller weapons?
官方上講是不可能的 Well, it's officially impossible.
畢竟有嚴格的安保措施 There's stringent security,
縝密的檢查規章 細致的審查制度 rigorous inspection procedures, meticulous scrutiny.
你是說 都是裝樣子的 You mean it's all a facade?
我想這段對話還是就此打住吧 I think perhaps this conversation should end here,
您說呢 大臣 don't you, Minister?
不 不出我所料 No, it's as I thought.
昨晚 一個機密消息源向我透露 Last night, a confidential source disclosed to me
英國武器在被賣給意大利紅色恐怖組織 that British arms are being sold to Italian Red Terrorist Groups.
這樣啊 I see.
可以問問這個機密消息源是誰嗎 May I ask who this confidential source was?
漢弗萊 我都說是機密了 Humphrey, I just said it was confidential.
抱歉 I'm sorry.
我自然以為 那表示您打算告訴我 I naturally assumed that meant you were going to tell me.
你似乎不怎么對這則信息感到擔憂 You don't seem to be very worried about this information.
這種事經常發生 不是我們的問題 These things happens all the time. It's not our problem.
暴力搶劫還經常發生呢 So does robbery with violence.
你就不擔心嗎 Doesn't that worry you?
不 大臣 那是內政部的事 No, Minister. Home Office problem.
漢弗萊 我們在讓恐怖分子 Humphrey, we're letting terrorists
拿到殺人武器 get hold of murderous weapons!
不是我們 WE'RE not.
那是誰 Well, who is?
誰知道呢 貿易部 Who knows? Department of Trade?
國防部 外交部 Ministry of Defence? Foreign Office?
是我們 漢弗萊 英國政府 We, Humphrey, the British Government.
無辜生命受到威脅 Innocent lives are being set at risk
因為英國武器落入了恐怖分子之手 by British arms in the hands of terrorists.
只有意大利生命 沒有英國生命 大臣 Only Italian lives, not British lives, Minister.
也可能有去海外的英國游客呢 Could be British tourists abroad.
游客 那是外交部的事 Tourists? Foreign Office problem.
漢弗萊 我們得做點什么 Humphrey, we have to do something.
無意冒犯 大臣 我們什么都不能做 With respect, Minister, we have to do nothing.
什么意思 What do you mean?
向海外出售軍火 The sale of arms abroad
屬于政府事務中 is one of those areas of government
不能檢查得太仔細的那種 that we do not examine too closely.
既然我知道了 那我就得檢查 Well, I have to, now that I know about it.
您可以說您不知道 You can say you don't know.
你是叫我撒謊嗎 You're suggesting I should lie?
不是您 大臣 不 Not you, Minister, no.
那誰該撒謊呢 Well, who should lie?
睡著的狗 大臣 Sleeping dogs, Minister.
不 我要追究這事 漢弗萊 No, I'm going to raise this, Humphrey.
不 大臣 求您了 No, Minister, I beg you.
政府的一條基本準則 A basic rule of government
就是絕不調查任何不非得調查的事 is never look into anything you don't have to,
絕不發起調查 and never set up an enquiry
除非您提前就知道調查結果會是什么 unless you know in advance what its findings will be.
難以置信 I can't believe this!
這可是善惡問題 We're talking about good and evil.
-那是英國國教的問題了 -不 漢弗萊 - Church of England problem. - No, Humphrey!
是我們的問題 Our problem.
我們在討論是非對錯 We are discussing right and wrong.
或許您是 大臣 但我不是 You may be, Ministert. But I'm not.
那可是嚴重濫用政府時間 It would be serious misuse of government time.
賣軍火給恐怖分子就是錯的 Selling arms to terrorists is wrong,
你難道不懂嗎 漢弗萊 can't you see that, Humphrey?
不 大臣 No, Minister,
軍火生意只有做和不做 either you sell arms or you don't.
只要做 軍火將不可避免地落入 If you sell them, they will inevitably end up
有錢購買的人手中 with people who have the cash to buy them.
總不能落入恐怖分子手中 But not terrorists?
或許我們可以在來復槍槍托上 Well, I suppose we could put some sort of
刻上政府健康警告 government health warning on the rifle butts!
"這把槍能嚴重威脅您的健康" "This gun can seriously damage your health."
你大可不當回事 漢弗萊 It's all very well to take this lightly, Humphrey,
但我們絕不能對這種道德上的 but we cannot close our eyes to something
大是大非視而不見 that is as morally wrong as this.
好吧 大臣 Very well, Minister,
如果您非要逼我談道德問題 if you insist on making me discuss moral issues,
那容我指出 may I point out to you that
道德本就是大是大非 something is either morally wrong or it isn't.
沒有小是小非 It can't be slightly morally wrong.
別咬文嚼字 漢弗萊 No, don't quibble, Humphrey.
政府追求的不是道德 Government isn't about morality.
是嗎 Really?
那是什么 What is it about?
穩定 Stability.
維持運轉 Keeping things going.
避免無序 Preventing anarchy.
阻止社會崩潰 明天依然存在 Stopping society falling to bits. Still being here tomorrow.
為什么 What for?
您說什么 I beg your pardon?
政府的終極目的是什么 What is the ultimate purpose of government
如果不是行善的話 if it isn't for doing good?
大臣 政府的關注點不是善惡 Minister, government isn't about good and evil.
而是秩序和混亂 It's only about order or chaos.
難道意大利恐怖分子 And it's in order for Italian terrorists
拿到英國炸彈就沒問題嗎 to get British bombs?
你也不在乎 And you don't care?
在乎這個不是我的工作 It's not my job to care.
那是政客的工作 That's what politicians are for.
我的工作是執行政府政策 My job is to carry out government policy.
哪怕你認為政策是錯的 Even if you think it's wrong?
幾乎所有政府政策都是錯的 但... Well, almost all government policy is wrong, but...
都執行得很好 ...frightfully well carried out!
漢弗萊 據你所知 Humphrey, have you ever known
有文官因原則問題辭職過嗎 a civil servant resign on a matter of principle?
怎么可能 I should think not!
這么說太過分了 What an appalling suggestion!
我第一次徹底明白了 For the first time, I fully understand
你完全只關注手段 而非結果 that you are purely committed to means and not to ends!
在我看來 大臣 Well, as far as I'm concerned, Minister,
我的同僚也都這么看 and all of my colleagues,
手段和結果之間沒有區別 there is no difference between means and ends.
如果你真那么想 漢弗萊 If you believe that, Humphrey,
你會下地獄的 you will go to hell.
大臣 我不知道您還有神學傾向 Minister, I had no idea you had a theological bent.
你是道德真空 漢弗萊 You are a moral vacuum, Humphrey.
隨您說吧 大臣 If you say so, Minister.
您該赴午飯的約了 大臣 It's time for your lunch appointment, Minister.
你好沉默 伯納德 You're keeping very quiet, Bernard.
你會怎么做 What would you do about all this?
我會保持沉默 大臣 I would keep very quiet, Minister.
那么 大臣 我們就放下軍火銷售的事了 So, Minister, may we drop this matter of the arms sales?
不 不行 No, we may not!
我要去親自告訴首相 I'm going to tell the Prime Minister, personally.
給我做個安排吧 伯納德 Make an appointment for me, would you, Bernard?
這種事 This is just the sort of thing
首相肯定想知道 that the Prime Minister wants to know about.
我向您保證 大臣 I assure you, Minister,
這種事首相肯定 this is just the sort of thing the Prime Minister
特別不想知道 desperately wants NOT to know about.
我們走著瞧 We shall see about that.
是啊 Indeed we will.
怎么了 伯納德 What's the matter, Bernard?
沒什么 漢弗萊爵士 Nothing really, Sir Humphrey.
你似乎不高興 You look unhappy.
我就是在想 大臣是不是對的 Well, I was just wondering if the minister was right, actually.
不太可能 你指哪件事 Very unlikely. What about?
手段和結果的事 About ends and means.
我最終也會變成道德真空嗎 I mean, will I end up as a moral vacuum, too?
希望如此 伯納德 I hope so, Bernard.
如果你夠努力 If you work hard enough.
我覺得有點泄氣 Makes me feel rather downcast.
如果我們的工作是執行政府政策 If it's our job to carry out government policies,
難道我們不該相信這些政策嗎 shouldn't we believe in them?
你怎么會這么想 What an extraordinary idea!
為什么 Why?
伯納德 Bernard...
我在這30年來服務了11屆政府 I have served 11 governments in the past 30 years.
如果我相信所有他們的政策 If I had believed in all their policies,
我會堅決而激烈地 I would've been passionately committed
反對加入共同市場 to keeping out of the Common Market,
并堅決而激烈地支持加入共同市場 and passionately committed to going into it.
我會完全堅信 I would've been utterly convinced
理應國有化鋼鐵企業 of the rightness of nationalising steel
然后私有化 然后重歸國有化 and of denationalising it and renationalising it.
還有死刑一事 And capital punishment?
我會熱心地支持保留死刑 I'd have been a fervent retentionist
也熱烈地支持廢除死刑 and an ardent abolitionist.
我會支持凱恩斯的宏觀經濟學 I would've been a Keynesian
和弗里德曼的自由市場理論 and a Friedmanite,
既支持保留文法學校又支持取消它 a grammar school preserver and destroyer,
既狂熱地支持國有化 a nationalisation freak
又瘋狂地支持私有化 and a privatisation maniac,
但最重要的是 but above all,
我會是個瘋瘋癲癲胡說八道的 I would have been a stark-staring raving
精神分裂癥患者 schizophrenic!
那我們相信什么 So what do we believe in?
現在 伯納德 At this moment, Bernard,
我們相信阻止大臣 we believe in stopping the Minister
通知首相 from informing the Prime Minister.
但為什么 But why?
因為一旦首相知道了 Because once the Prime Minister knows,
就得發起調查 there will have to be an enquiry,
就像水門事件 like Watergate.
針對一次小闖入事件的調查 The investigation of a trivial break-in
引出了一件又一件驚天內幕 led to one ghastly revelation after another
最終 導致一位總統下臺 and finally the downfall of a president.
黃金法則就是 The golden rule is
別去捅馬蜂窩 don't lift lids off cans of worms.
是 漢弗萊爵士 No, Sir Humphrey.
一切都相互關聯 Everything is connected to everything else.
誰說的 Who said that?
內閣秘書嗎 The Cabinet Secretary?
很接近了 是列寧 Nearly right. Actually, it was Lenin.
那要怎么阻止一位內閣大臣 So how do you stop a Cabinet Minister
找首相談話呢 talking to a Prime Minister?
這可是個很有趣的問題 你說呢 Well, now that is a very interesting question. You tell me.
我不知道 I don't know.
自己想想 伯納德 Well, work it out, Bernard.
你不是前程似錦嗎 You're supposed to be a high-flier.
還是說你只是低空飛行 Or are you really a low-flier
偶爾會被一陣陣風吹上天 supported by occasional gusts of wind?
嗯... Well,
您不能阻止大臣見首相 是吧 YOU can't stop the Minister seeing the PM, can you?
我是不能 I can't, no.
10號的私人辦公室也不能 Nor can the private office at No. 10.
對 Correct.
所以得是政府高層的某個人 So it has to be someone pretty high up in government.
-接近了 -一個首相身邊的人 - Getting warmer. - Someone close to the PM.
一個能嚇住大臣的人 Someone who can frighten the Minister...
首席黨鞭嗎 The Chief Whip?
太好了 伯納德 你進步了不少 Excellent, Bernard, you've learnt a lot.
那么 你怎么揮鞭 So, how do you crack the whip?
什么 I'm sorry?
你要怎么差遣首席黨鞭 How do you mobilise the Chief Whip?
大臣叫我 Well, the Minister's asked me
致電首相私人辦公室安排會面 to phone the PM's private office for an appointment,
所以如果您去找一下內閣秘書 so if you had a word with the Cabinet Secretary,
他再去找一下日程秘書 and he had a word with the diary secretary,
他們都去找一下黨鞭辦公室 and they all had a word with the Whip's office...
那等大臣到了 ...then when the Minister arrived,
首席黨鞭可以跟他見面 the Chief Whip could meet him
推說首相忙于公務 and say the PM is rather busy
所以叫他來見大臣了 and had asked him to have a word with the Minister instead.
很好 伯納德 Excellent, Bernard.
你真該去修個工程學學位 You should have taken a degree in engineering!
你在干什么 What are you doing?
您不是要找內閣秘書嗎 I thought you wanted to talk to the Cabinet Secretary,
-漢弗萊爵士 -是的 - Sir Humphrey. - I do, indeed.
那么 你 伯納德 Now, do you, Bernard,
作為大臣的私人秘書 as the Minister's private secretary,
是否覺得有義務把這段對話告訴大臣 feel obliged to tell the Minister of this conversation?
什么對話 What conversation?
好樣的 伯納德 你終能成為道德真空 Well done, Bernard. You'll be a moral vacuum yet!
吉姆 Jim.
好伙計 見到你真高興 My dear chap, how nice to see you.
維克 我其實是來見首相的 Vic, I was hoping to see the Prime Minister, actually.
是啊 Yes.
其實 首相今天挺忙的 Actually, the PM's rather busy today.
所以叫我來見你了 Asked me to see you instead.
抱歉 維克 這事沒法跟首席黨鞭說 I'm sorry, Vic, it's not really a matter for the Chief Whip.
是啊 首相叫我 Yes, well, the PM has asked me
先跟你初步談談 to have a preliminary conversation
記下背景情況 and write a background note.
回頭能省時間 Save time later.
好吧 Well,
我收到了一些很驚人的信息 I've been given some pretty dramatic information.
說吧 Go on.
意大利紅色恐怖組織 The Italian Red Terrorist Groups
拿到了絕密炸彈引爆裝置 are being supplied with top secret bomb detonators
是在英國一家政府工廠里制造的 made in this country, in a government factory.
你覺得你該告訴首相嗎 And you feel you should tell the PM?
是啊 首相可是安全主管 Well, yes, the PM's head of security.
我覺得不該拿這種事去麻煩首相 I don't think it's anything to burden the PM with.
我們先緩緩吧 Let's hold it over, shall we?
你是說 忘了這事嗎 You mean, forget all about it?
那是我的建議 That's my recommendation.
抱歉 維克 這我不能接受 I'm sorry, Vic, I can't accept it.
首相必須知道 The PM must be told.
如果首相真知道了 那就得發起調查 If the PM were to be told, there'd have to be an enquiry.
沒錯 Exactly.
那可能會揭露 Which might perhaps reveal that
各種不良甚至敵對政府 all sorts of undesirable, even hostile governments
都拿到了英國制造的軍火 had been supplied with British-made arms.
你說真的嗎 Are you seriously?
我說可能 I said perhaps.
這可能會讓我們一些內閣同僚 This might perhaps be highly embarrassing
深深蒙羞 to some of our Cabinet colleagues -
外交大臣 國防大臣 Foreign Secretary, Defence Secretary,
貿易大臣 還有首相本人 Trade Secretary, and to the PM personally.
是啊 行正義之事 Yes, well, doing the right thing
有時可能會讓人蒙羞 might be embarrassing sometimes, but
但也不能因此就不做了 that's not a very good reason for not doing it.
你知道我們本就向敘利亞 智利 You know we already sell arms to places like
伊朗等國出售軍火吧 Syria, Chile, Iran?
是啊 但那是官方批準的 Yeah. But that's officially approved.
是啊 Quite.
那你對他們使用軍火的方式滿意嗎 And you're happy about what they do with them?
這...當然不完全滿意了 Well, obviously not entirely.
軍火生意只有做和不做 Well, either you're in the arms business or you're not!
如果做這生意 Well, if being in it
就要給殺人犯 恐怖分子提供武器 means arming murderers, and terrorists,
那我們就該不做 這不道德 then we should be out, it's immoral.
好啊 Great!
那讓十萬英國工人失業就道德了嗎 And is it moral to put 100,000 British workers out of a job?
還有出口額呢 What about the exports,
一下就有二十億鎊要打水漂 two billion pounds a year down the tube for starters.
還有選票呢 And what about the votes?
你以為政府把那些 Where do you think the government
軍火訂單都下在了哪 places all those weapons contracts?
-當然是邊緣選區 -就是 - In marginal constituencies, obviously. - Exactly.
維克 我只是說 既然我知道了 Look, Vic, all I'm saying is that now that I know about it,
就必須告訴首相 the Prime Minister must be told.
為什么 Why?
你染上了感冒 Just because you've caught something nasty,
干嗎還要到處走 對著別人吹氣 why do you have to wander about, breathing over everyone?
你在內閣做得開心嗎 Are you happy in the Cabinet?
當然了 Yes, of course I am!
你還想繼續待在內閣嗎 Do you want to stay in it?
那不就是了 Well, then?
抱歉 維克 但我還得顧及責任 I'm sorry, Vic, but there is such a thing as duty.
有時人必須 There are times when one must do
按照良心辦事 what one's conscience tells one.
老天爺 For God's sake!
你就非得到處 Must you go around
炫耀你個人的那點良心嗎 flashing your petty private individual little conscience?
你以為其他人就沒良心了嗎 Don't you think anybody else has got one?
你對政府存亡的大事 Haven't you got a conscience about the
就沒良心了嗎 survival of the government?
我當然有 Of course I have, yes!
首相正準備 Here's the PM is on the verge of
簽署一項國際反恐協議 signing an international anti-terrorist agreement.
我不知道啊 I didn't know that.
是啊 你不知道的多了 Yeah. There's a lot you don't know about.
你看不出孰輕孰重嗎 Can't you see that it's essential
解決重大政策問題 to deal with the major policy aspects
而不是去端掉個別 rather than pick off a couple of
小軍火出口商和恐怖組織 little arms exporters and terrorist groups?
是啊 的確也就是個別小恐怖組織 Yes, I suppose it is just a couple of little terrorist groups.
他們也殺不了多少人 是吧 Well, they can't kill that many people, can they?
是啊 I suppose not!
你卻要為了片刻自我道德滿足而毀掉一切嗎 And you want to blow it all in a fit of moral self-indulgence!
畢竟 After all,
首相還在考慮讓你 with the PM thinking about you
擔任下屆外交大臣 as the next Foreign Secretary...
你說真的嗎 Do you mean that?
老天爺 Good Lord!
所以 如果你想自我犧牲 So if you want to martyr yourself, then,
那請便 要求發起調查吧 go ahead and press for an enquiry.
盡管賭上我們這些年來 Feel free to jeopardise everything
一起爭取奮斗所得到的一切吧 we've all fought for and worked for together all these years.
不不 當然不了 不用說 No, no, no, no. Of couse, well, now, obviously, I mean,
意大利恐怖分子能拿到 it's appalling if Italian terrorists
英國武器的確太可怕了 are getting hold of British weapons,
但如你所說 還要考慮忠誠 but as you said, there is such a thing as loyalty,
共同目標 you know, the common purpose.
我想是得以合適的視角看待這些事 I suppose one must see these things in a proper perspective.
當然 如果你在國防部 Of course, if you were at the Ministry of Defence,
或者貿易委員會 or the Board of Trade.
是啊 這是國防部的問題 Well, absolutely, Ministry of Defence problem,
貿易委員會的問題 Board of Trade problem.
外交部的問題 Foreign Office problem.
這下我懂了 I can see that now.
所以我們可以暫時先緩緩咯 So we can hold it over for the time being, can we?
可不想惹怒首相 或讓他難堪 是吧 Don't want to upset and embarrass the PM, do we?
當然不想 Absolutely not.
絕對不想 Definitely not.
不想 No.
我就不該提 Sorry I mentioned it.
好伙計 Good man!
所以權衡之下 我想最好還是就此罷手 So I thought on balance it was best to leave it at that.
莫惹麻煩 Let sleeping dogs lie...
這是為了更大的利益 In the wider interest.
畢竟我是政府的忠誠一員 As a loyal member of the government.
沒什么好處的 Nothing to be gained.
不能去捅馬蜂窩 Mustn't opening a can of worms.
但少校說他們可是恐怖分子 But the major said they were terrorists.
是啊 Yes, well...
我們還轟炸過東德的德累斯頓 We bombed Dresden.
-我們其實不都是恐怖分子嗎 -不是 - We're all terrorists, really, aren't we? - No.
我是打個比方 Well, I mean metaphorically.
你該去見見首席黨鞭 他絕對是 You should meet the Chief Whip. He certainly is!
但英國有人把炸彈給了殺人犯 But someone in Britain's giving bombs to murderers.
是賣 不是給 Selling, not giving.
那就可以了嗎 That makes it OK?
現實點 安妮 Now, be serious, Annie.
發起調查可能會揭露各種勾當 An investigation might uncover all sorts of goings-on.
這樣啊 I see.
如果能抓住一個罪犯就可以調查 It's all right to investigate if you might catch one criminal,
但如果會抓住一群就不行了 but not if you might catch lots of them!
如果那一群是你的內閣同僚 還真就不行 Well, if they're your Cabinet colleagues, yes, you're right!
治理是件很復雜的事 安妮 No, you see, Government is a very complex business, Annie.
有太多相互沖突的考慮 There are so many conflicting considerations.
比如是非對錯的選擇 Like, whether you do the right thing or wrong thing.
沒錯 不... Exactly. No, no...
那你說我該怎么辦 Well, what do you suggest I should do?
表明道德立場 Take a moral stand.
怎么表明 How?
威脅辭職 Threaten resignation.
他們會接受的 They'd accept it!
那我會怎樣 Then where would I be?
如果他們接受了我的辭職 我走人了 I mean, if they accept my resignation, I'm gone,
我也無法再做好事了 不是嗎 I'm not in a position to do any good any more, am I?
你現在也沒做到好事啊 Well, you're not doing good now.
辭職或許能安慰我的和你的良心 Look, resignation may be a sop to my consciences, and to yours,
但并不能阻止意大利恐怖分子拿到英國炸彈 but it won't stop Italian terrorists getting British bombs.
如果你威脅說出你知道的事 或許就能阻止 Well, it might if you threaten to tell what you know.
那我知道什么呢 Well, what do I know?
我并沒掌握任何真憑實據 I don't know any hard facts.
我只知道有這事 I only know it's going on
因為沒人肯否認 但這又不叫證據 because nobody's denied it, but that's not proof.
你看不出嗎 我的處境很麻煩 Can't you see? I'm in a real fix.
我想你并不知道你的麻煩究竟多大 I don't think you realise just how real a fix you're in.
這是今天收到的信 This letter arrived today.
桑德斯少校寄來的 From Major Saunders.
"親愛的哈克先生 "Dear Mr Hacker.
謝謝您上周一見我 Thank you for seeing me on Monday, last.
能把英國武器被提供給意大利恐怖分子 Such a relief to have told you about this ghastly business
這件可怕的事告訴您真讓人如釋重負 of the supply of British weapons to Italian terrorists.
我知道您會如保證的那樣據此采取行動 I know you will act upon this information as you promised
我期待看到具體舉措" and I look forward to seeing some action taken."
看 You see?
回頭桑德斯少校告訴世界他明明把丑聞 Now, what will you do when Major Saunders tells the world
告訴了你 你卻無動于衷時 你要怎么辦 that he told you about this scandal and you did nothing?
這是影印本 他保留了原件 It's a photocopy. He's got the original.
而且還是掛號信 And it was recorded delivery,
你不能說你沒收到 so you can't say you didn't get it.
我被困住了 I'm trapped!
完全困住了 Completely trapped!
我不能告訴首相 也不能不告訴首相 I can't tell the PM, I can't NOT tell the PM.
這樣啊 I see.
我在想 大臣 I was just wondering, Minister,
我們能不能用羅德西亞破局法 if we might not use the Rhodesia Solution?
伯納德 你真是超神了 Bernard, you excel yourself!
當然了 大臣 羅德西亞破局法 Of course, Minister, the Rhodesia Solution!
-你說什么呢 -石油制裁 記得嗎 - What're you talking about? - Oil sanctions, remember?
有位政府成員被告知 A member of the government was told
英國公司在違反制裁 about the way British companies were sanction-busting.
-那他做了什么 -他告訴了首相 - What did he do? - He told the Prime Minister.
那他又做了什么 And what did he do?
他告訴首相的方式 He told the Prime Minister in such a way
讓首相沒聽到他 that the Prime Minister didn't hear him.
你是叫我 Do you mean I should
在分組表決廳里嘟囔出來嗎 mumble it or something in the Division Lobby?
不不 大臣 您寫封簡信 No, no, no, Minister, you write a note.
用字跡很淡的鉛筆嗎 In very faint pencil?
拜托 現實點吧 Please, be practical.
不 大臣 辦法顯而易見 No, Minister, it's awfully obvious.
您寫一封很容易被誤解的簡信 You write a note which is susceptible of misinterpretation.
我明白了 I see!
"親愛的首相 我得知 "Dear Prime Minister, it has come to my attention,
意大利紅色恐怖分子 that the Italian Red Terrorists
拿到了英國絕密炸彈制造裝備" are getting hold of British top secret bomb-making equipment."
這要怎么誤解 How do you misinterpret that?
當然不能 You can't.
就是啊 Well, exactly.
所以不能這么寫 So you don't write that.
要寫得更謹慎些 You use a more circumspect style
完全避免提到炸彈或恐怖分子 you avoid any mention of bombs or terrorists,
或此類字眼 or any of that sort of thing.
那不是很難辦嗎 Wouldn't that be rather difficult,
是這意思嗎 is that what is all about?
這么說 伯納德 記下來 You say, Bernard, write this down.
"我在私下里發現了 "My attention has been drawn on a personal basis
表明可能存在 to information which suggests the possible
違規行為的信息 違反了..." of certain irregularities under Section..."
《1939年(C)進出口和 Section 1 of the Import, Export
海關職權(國防)法案》第一節 and Custom powers (Defence) Act 1939(c).
謝謝 伯納德 Thank you, Bernard.
然后您接著說 You then go on suggest
該有其他人來采取措施 that somebody else should do something about it.
"初步證據顯示 "Prima facie evidence suggests
可能有理由進行深入調查 that there could be a case for further investigation
以確定是否該發起正式調查" to establish whether or not enquiries should be put in hand."
然后您再把問題糊化 Then you smudge it all over.
"不過 "Nevertheless,
應當強調 現有信息非常有限 it should be stressed that available information is limited
相關事實也可能難以 and relevant facts could be difficult to establish
確鑿地查實" with any degree of certainty."
這樣啊 I see.
這樣 即便真發起了調查 您也不會有事 Then, if there were an enquiry, you'd be in the clear
大家也都能理解 and everybody would understand
日理萬機的首相可能沒領會 that the busy PM might not have grasped
這樣一封信的全部深意 the full implications of such a letter.
當然能理解 這誰能看懂 They certainly would! That's most unclear.
謝謝 大臣 Thank you, Minister!
然后您安排這封信在首相啟程 Then, you arrange for the letter to arrive at No. 10
去海外參加峰會的那天送到10號 on the day the PM leaves for an overseas summit!
這樣 究竟是首相還是代理首相 So there is also doubt about whether it was the PM
讀到了信也成了謎團 or the acting PM who read the note.
因此 整件事都會被說成 And so the whole thing is written off
是溝通不暢 as a breakdown in communication,
大家都沒事了 everybody's in the clear
大家也都能繼續做自己的事了 and everybody can get on with their business.
-包括紅色恐怖分子 -沒錯 - Including the Red Terrorists! - Exactly...
伯納德 Bernard!
我跟你說說治理這回事 I'll tell you about government.
你必須永遠盡力做正確的事 You must always try to do the right thing.
但你絕不能讓人發現你想這么做 But you must never let anybody catch you trying to do it
因為做正確的事是錯的 because doing right's wrong.
是吧 Right?
你喝夠了吧 親愛的 Haven't you had enough, darling?
瓶子里還剩點呢 There's still some left in the bottle.
不 治理的關鍵是原則 No, the thing about government is principle.
原則就是 And the principle is
你絕不能晃動現狀之船 you mustn't rock the boat...
因為你一晃 ...because if you do,
那些小良心就都掉出來了 all the little consciences will fall out.
而且大家得綁在一起 And you must all hang together.
因為如果不這樣 Because if you don't hang together,
你們會被分開絞死 you'll all be hanged separately.
我要是死了可就死了 I'm hanged if I'll be hanged!
其實 You know...
從政就是幫助他人 politics is about helping others.
哪怕要為此幫助恐怖分子 Even if that means helping terrorists.
恐怖分子也算他人 是吧 Terrorists are others, aren't they?
不是我們 是吧 Not us, are they?
不是 No.
你要時刻跟隨良心 And you must always follow your conscience,
但也必須知道你在往哪走 but you must know where you're going.
所以你不能跟隨良心 So you can't follow your conscience.
因為它可能跟你走的不是一個方向 'Cause it may not be going the same way that you are.
空了 Empty...
就像我 Like me.
我是個道德真空 I'm a moral vacuum.
開心點 親愛的 Cheer up, darling!
白廳就沒好事 Nothing good ever comes out of Whitehall.
你也盡力了 You did what you could.
-你那不是真心話 -是真的 - You don't really mean that. - I do.
不 我跟漢弗萊他們一個樣 No, I'm just like Humphrey and all the rest of them.
不 才不是呢 No, that's certainly not true!
-不嗎 -他已經喪失了是非觀 - No? - He's lost his sense of right and wrong.
你還沒呢 You've still got yours.
是嗎 Have I?
你只是不怎么用它了 It's just that you don't use it much.
你就像個醉酒牧師 You're a sort of whisky priest,
你做錯了事時 至少還自知 you do at least know when you've done the wrong thing.
醉酒牧師 Whisky priest?
是啊 That's right.
好 Good.
我們再開一瓶吧 Let's open another bottle.
我們沒酒了 We haven't got one.
那是你以為 That's what you think!
誰說白廳沒好事的 Who said nothing good ever came out of Whitehall?
你來嗎 You want one?
是 大臣 Yes, Minister!