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Mac, what is magic?
麦克，说说什么是魔术？
you sprung that on me
这问题好突然啊,呵呵
what is magic? Holy…why…
什么是魔术？简直…为啥…
We got right into it, bang!
这是要直入主题是吧？砰！
Jesus, I wish I've thought about this.
我的天，这问题我都没认真想过
what is magic?
什么是魔术？
It's the big,huge, impossible-to-answer question,"what is magic?"
这么个宏大，不可解答的问题：“什么是魔术”
Umm
呃
Umm
呃
I don't, don't think I have a really good answer for that
我…我不觉得我能恰当的回答这个问题
It's not an easy question,uh.
要回答起来不简单啊。
Umm
恩
Why would you start with that?
为什么要开这样的头啊？
Couldn't we just say,uh,"please state your name" and uh…
就不能老老实实的“请说下你是谁”这样吗？
Difficult question, long answer you know.
深奥的问题，伴随着兀长的答案。
Can we start with an easier question?
我们能先来点简单的问题么？
Good Answer Rob
神回复呀！罗布
出品
R.保罗.威尔森
制片
制作
我 们 的 魔 术
斯蒂芬 巴尔加茨
大卫 巴格拉斯
亚当 布鲁门萨
约翰 卡尼
麦克 凯文尼
西里尔 高山
理查 盖瑞特
约翰 高根
马赫迪 吉尔伯特
布拉德 亨德森
卢克 杰明
威廉姆 卡卢什
理查德 考夫曼
麦克 金
肯 克劳斯特曼
皮特 拉蒙特
蒂娜 莱纳特
马克斯 梅文
前田知洋
艾瑞克 米德
小野坂 東
小野坂 麻麻
亚当 鲁宾
胡安 达玛利兹
强尼 汤普森
胡安 埃斯特班 巴雷拉
麦克 韦伯
阿西 温德
理查 韦斯曼
山本 秀
罗布 扎布雷奇
音效设计
动画设计
创意顾问
艾伦 哈根
幸繁 角矢
艾瑞克 米德
麦克 韦伯
原创配乐
后期编辑
R.保罗.威尔森
副制片人
布伦特 格里斯
晓亮
联合制片
方赖瑞
西伦 肖布
执行监制
布拉德 克里斯汀
出品
杰森 英格兰
R.保罗.威尔森
拍摄及执导
I have been trying for over half of a century
我花了过半个世纪的时间，就为了尝试去
to come up with a succinct definition of magic
找一个简短，确切的对魔术的诠释。
This is the best that I‘ve managed thus far
以下是迄今为止我能想到的最好的:
Magic is the aesthetic exploration of mystery.
"魔术是透过美学去探讨未知的神秘"
马克斯 梅文
But that is one of…many many many possible answers
而那还仅仅是众多可能的诠释中的一个而已
艾瑞克 米德
I mean magic is also…uh
魔术同时也是, 呃
…a hobby for a young person
是许多年轻人的兴趣爱好
Magic is also…
魔术也同时是…
kind of a notion that used in advertizing.
广告业常常会用到的一种理念
Magic is also…
魔术也是…
The sensation of something larger than oneself for some people
对于某些人来说，是超越自我的巨大力量的一种感知
you know, the wonder of the universe.
好比对宇宙无限的崇仰与感慨。
But for me, it mostly boils down to a performance art of impossible things.
但对于我来说，魔术大抵是被归结为一门“制造不可能”的表演艺术。
What we do is conjurers, and as a performing magicians
我们所做的就是变戏法，尤其是作为幕前表演的魔术师，
it is people that pretend to have magic powers
我们就是“一个假装有魔法的…
威廉姆 卡卢什
is, apparently, break the rules.
…打破这个世界法则的人类”
and, its interesting because the rules are shifting…thing
这么想蛮有意思的，因为世间的法则是不恒定了。
they change all the time
他们随时都会变动
you know, its anything inexplicable
你懂得，任何那些令人费解的东西
约翰 卡尼
but I heard a great definition
我倒是听说过一个很好地诠释
Ken Kesey, who is an amateur magician and an author
肯.克西，一位作家兼业余魔术师
He said:"its a single moment when a crack forms in your mind…
他说“好似你的脑壳内裂开一道缝的一个瞬间…
and lets the light in, and it opens up all the possibilities."
于是光芒顺其而入，照亮了里面无穷的可能”
it is a very interesting idea. Its kind of a hopeful thing
这样看待比较有趣，算是种乐观的诠释吧
Magic is…
魔术是…
马赫迪 吉尔伯特
…a seduction.
…是一种引诱
because you're literally coming from the upside as a stranger
作为一个陌生人，你站在高台上俯视着观众们
and you're slowly,through what you're saying and what you're doing
然后渐渐的，你通过你的言语举止
sucking someone into your world
把他们吸进你的宇宙中
even if they don't want to necessary go there at the beginning.
即便他们开始时并不想进入到那里
在我看来，魔术是对人类弱点的一种表现
前田 知洋
正因为内心深存着那弱点，作为人类我们才会向往神秘的事物
因此人类开始祈祷神明，开始学会去发明和创造
因此我觉得，我们对于科学与艺术的创作的激励也来源于此。
I'm a big fan of the Arthur C.Clarke quote
我特别喜欢亚瑟.查理斯.克拉克的一句名言
where you know,"any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic"
就是那句 “任何足够先进的科技，都与魔术无法区分。”
and to me, is someone who's also a big fan of science and technology
而作为我，一个同样热爱科学和科技的人来说，
理查 盖瑞特
企业家，游戏设计师，宇航员
magic represents that alternative path,
魔术是可以替代科技的一个媒介
where you can use science and technology to presents something that
利用魔术取代科学技术，来表现那些
where the natural world seems to behave in ways where most people wouldn't expected
现实世界中让人感觉违背常规的，无法预测的现象。
Magic is whatever science says it is impossible
魔术就是所有科学法则所否定的事物
so magic is a moving target, always
所以魔术也必须保持与时俱进，
because what's mysterious and amazing to people 2000 years ago
因为若回到2000年前，把那时人们认为不可思议的东西
isn't mysterious and amazing now.
搬到了现代，就不再那么神奇了。
If magic matters for one reason,
若是必须要举一个魔术存在的意义，
its thats, its provokes this experience of wonder.
那就是魔术驱动着对惊奇事物的体验。
博士
皮特 拉蒙特
The problem with this experience of wonder is,
而关于对这种“惊奇的体验”所存在的问题
that wonder spoken,but in a very wooly fluffy ways
是这些神奇的感受，并非以实质的形态存在着
and people talk about shamanism, and spirituality
同时人们也寄托于比如萨满教巫术，或者灵学术等
and all these dancing with a pole and banging drums and all that wonderful stuff
持着棍子群舞，敲锣打鼓的那些有的没的得仪式
and thats fine if you're into that, but it really not necessary.
当然你信仰什么，我毫无意见，但是实在没有必要依靠这些
We know it's not real
我们都知道这是假的
胡安 埃斯特班 巴雷拉
but its a very concrete way of
但是依靠魔术去不断提醒自己
of reminding us, that we cannot be certain about what's around us.
“我们无法完全了解自己周遭的世界”，还是很有效的
that we think we know
我们觉得自己了解这个世界
you know, "oh, I know,why…how the light works"
"哦，我知道，为什么，光线是如何运作的"
you sure about that?
你确定吗？
[黑暗之外]
魔术秀
the main question is:"is it necessary to see something to experience magic?"
这场表演的主题是：“魔术，必须要在拥有视觉的前提下才能体验吗？”
一场"失明的"
it doesn't happened in your eye, the magic.
魔术的体验，并不只发生在你的眼睛里
it's pretty easy to get lost, to think you make an elephant appear
你很容易会迷失在一个误区中，认为要变出一头大象
that it,it has to do with sight, you know
这个过程就必须依靠视觉来体验
'cus it is so big, it wasn't there, and now I'm seeing it
往往是“这么大的物体，刚刚还不在，现在我就看到了”
it's not impressive, unless there's a line of interpretation underneath.
如果无法通过感官去阐述，这个效果就失去其震撼力。
if you also can reach into the emotion aspect of magic
即便如此，你还能达到神奇的情感层面
to create meaning or something that matters for the person.
然后去制造出他们觉得很重要，有含义的时刻
then, then you have truly an experience
那一刻，你才能真正的获得那种体验。
i decided to research for things
我决定开始搜寻那些
in which the skill was not an explanation of things that could be done
在某些感官因素缺失的情况下，魔术技巧不能够被作为
if you were able to do magic without elements
解释是如何做到这些效果的方法
and for me, the moment I though this. The most important part of the experience
对我而言，我有这个想法的那一刻，这份体验是最至关重要的部分
was that we're all going to be under the same conditions
就是：我们所有人都需要处在相同的环境下。
The theatre had to be dark, I had to be wearing a blindfold.
剧院里一定要漆黑一片的，我必须要戴上眼罩
and, because otherwise
因为若不这么做的话
if I had any advantage, it wouldn't be magical.
若是我有任何优势的话，观众就感觉不到神奇了。
I, I did a show in Spain
我在西班牙表演过一场
and the sister of the King of Spain was there
当时西班牙国王的妹妹也在场
and shes blind since she was born,so…
她天生就是盲的，所以…
and she came to me after the show,and its a very important moment for me you know
表演完后她来找我，你知道那一刻对于我来说很重要
but, she was so sweet.She came to me and she said that she wanted to thank me.
她待人非常亲切。然后她来找我，说想感谢我。
and i said "why", and she said "because before this moment
我问她为什么，她说“因为直到今天的这一刻
I never understood what a vanishing was"
我从未理解过 [消失] 的意思”
“I never understood what was for something to disappear”
"我从来不知道一个东西 [消失了] 是什么意思"
for me a beautiful thing is like a family for instance.
对我来说，那些美好的事物包括了家庭
in which one of the members is visually impaired or blind
有些情况下某个家庭成员视力受损或是完全失明
and suddenly,
然后突然地，
they feel the joy of sharing the same experience from the same point of view.
他们获得了与别人在同一视角感受到同一体验的机会。
for a moment, a brief moment, there was not difference between them.
就在那短暂的间隔里，他们的世界变得一模一样
we're not used to understand the world around us without using sight anymore.
我们无法适应依靠视觉以外的感官去了解我们的周遭
and suddenly, you realized that even when you're using sight
然而你却发现，即便你依靠着视觉去感受
you're always creating interpretations
你还是随时对此做出自己的阐述
that's what I think, I truly think that
这就是我的看法，我真的觉得
it is a question about, not the magic for the blind, but the essence of magic.
这场表演的核心，不是关于“盲人的魔术秀”，而是魔术的精髓是什么。
for me
我这么认为
the one thing that makes magic special is that
让魔术显得非常独特的一点就是
undeniable truth that this we all experiences
那种所有人同时目击的不可否认的真实感
布拉德 亨德森
and as technology with television and special effects becaome more and more
而当有关电视与荧幕特效的技术与日俱增时
you're going to see people like Criss Angel and Dynamo
你会看到越来越多的“克里斯.安吉尔”和“戴那摩”的到来
who are "illusions of an illusion"
也就所谓的“看起来像魔术的魔术”
and…and to me
因此，在我看来
you know, if you can't trust that the people there are actually having that experience
如果你无法信任视频里的那些观众，确实也在现场体验到同样的神奇
if you can't trust that, what you're seeing on the TV is actually what was happening
若你都无法信任电视上播放的，就是现场所发生的事情的话
and there is no magic. it's best a special-effect show
那这就不是魔术，说好听点就是个电影特效展
and it's a stupid special-effect show
说难听点就是拿观众智商当玩笑
what David Blaine did, very successfully, and very cleverly
大卫 布莱恩当年所做的，非常聪明成功的一个尝试
was to turn the camera on the audience, since we're seeing people responding
就是把镜头角度转向观众，这样我们同时也看到围观者的反应
理查德 韦斯曼
教授
they become our eyes and ears, as if we were there
就好像我们借用他们的眼睛和耳朵，身临其境
and I think that's a very clever move
这个改善确实非常巧妙
I still think it's not quite the same as actually being there.
但是我还是觉得，现场表演的那种真实感还是无法取代
you know, I mean I think in most basic magic is like
你懂得，大部分普通的魔术其实差不多都是：
麦克 金
"I just fooled you, bitch"
"虐到你了吧，小婊砸"
but the challenge is to make that…
当然，作为有节操的好魔术师
you know, not mean
你要让观众情愿受虐
I have, overtime, come to understand that,
有太多时候，我觉得，
麦克 韦伯
magic, maybe at the times in its best is just another form of story telling.
魔术，在当下最好的一种诠释，只不过一种讲故事的手段。
and a, a fundamental truth, I believe, of story telling
然而，我认为，作为讲故事最最基本的法则，
is that whoever tells the best story wins
那就是，谁讲得最好，谁就是赢家。
"通往魔术的门是关着的…
但它没有上锁"
杰克 德尔温
I uhhh,started magic very young,
我的魔术启蒙开始的很早
5 years old, maybe 6,but I think five.
5岁左右，也可能是6岁，但应该是5岁
I have a traveling dad,
我爸当时到处奔波，
one time, he came home, I'll never forget this
我这辈子都不会忘记，那天他回到家里，
with a little
拿着个小小的
plastic, round…
塑料的，圆圆的，
basically like a flat cylinder and 2 parts with a little lid on top.
差不多是个扁扁的圆筒，有盖子有底打开变成两部分的
and you lifted off the lid, and there was a little gap in here with a piece of felt
盖子打开了，里头就是一层空格，上下都用毡布装饰着
where you can…a nickle,a five cent,a nickle would fit right in there
你可以把…放一枚镍币，5分美元，一枚5分的硬币在里头
and then you covered it with the lid
然后你把盖子给盖上
and when you lift it off, it'd changed into a penny
然后再次打开盖子时，镍币就变成了铜板了
and then you cover it with the lid again, and when you lift it off it'd changed into a dime.
然后你再盖回去，再打开，这次铜板就变成一角钱了
and then he can hand you
完了他把这些都给你看
the lid, then the little piece and the dime, and you can examined it
小盖子，小底盘和那一角硬币，你都能随意检查
and that was…
而那就是…
the first. My very first…contact with magic.
我的邂逅，我与魔术初次的邂逅。
On my next birthday, I got a box of plastic magic tricks.
后来过生日时，我就收到了一盒塑料魔术玩具作礼物
TV magic, Marshall Brodien
[电视魔术套装]，马修 布鲁登出品
and when you're a six-year-old kid with a top hat and a cape
当一个六岁的孩子带着礼貌披着斗篷
thats, thats…you know that's when the hook is sunk.
你就知道他已经被魔术的魅力深深吸引住了
I remember it was a…a trick deck of cards
我记得当时是一副，一副道具纸牌
[TV magic cards],advertized on TV
[电视魔术纸牌]，广告上宣传的那种
and I rememer my grandmother dropped me off at the drug store
我还记得我奶奶把我送到百货商店里时
I ran in to get it, and she lef…stayed at the curb
我跑着进去要买，她则站在马路边等我
and I got the deck of cards and brought it back
然后我买到了，揣着牌回来
I hadn't even taken out of the package yet.
我太过兴奋了，急的都没空把包装拆开
when we're driving down the street, I remember tapping it and holding it up to my ear
在回去路上，坐在车里，我记得我敲了几下牌盒，然后拿到耳朵边仔细聆听。
like ‘cus the card was gonna come to the top in this trick deck of cards
因为这个魔术的效果是轻轻敲一敲然后一张牌就跑到顶上
so I tapped it and I listened, 'cus I expected to hear like "Ghreeeeeee"
所以我敲了敲然后仔细听，还期望着能听到里面发出“嗝吱吱吱吱吱吱”
like gears or…… you know
以为里面有齿轮机械之类的
but its that imagination, that's part of the thing that appealed to me.
但就是那种奇思幻想，那时候的天马行空感染着我。
I wasn’t inbound in magic. I saw a movie about a Mississippi riverboat gambler
我一开始入迷的并不是魔术。我看了部电影，关于密西西比的河船赌徒
强尼 汤普森
and i said that's what I wanna be
我当时就想“我要成为这样的人”
I saw the Derringer,hat,and brocade vest and, dealing those cards.
揣着枪，戴着帽子，穿着西装背心，发着纸牌
and it appeal to me
我入魔的很深
I went to a used-book store and the only book I could find
于是我去旧书店找资料，当时我能找到的唯一的有关的书
was The Expert At The Card Table by S.W.Erdnase
是 S.W.Erdnase著作的《纸牌圣经》
that became my book
这本书成了我的敲门砖
after four years, I came to the root of awakening
接着过了四年，我渐渐的意识到
there weren't a lot of places for a twelve-years-old card cheater to work.
没有多少工作和职位会接收一个12岁的赌徒。
When I was child,four,five years old
当我还只有四，五岁时
胡安 达玛利兹
I ask my father to bring, bring me to a magic show.
我让我父亲带我去一场魔术秀
from this moment until now, I am a seventy years old
从那个时候直到现在，我已是七十多岁了。
all everything, I'll farseen that day with magic I don't know why.
真的，为什么那天我会“预感”到与魔术的接触，我自己都不知道。
I was nine years old
我当时才九岁
麦克 凯文尼
and I went and visited my cousin John
我是去我表哥约翰家里玩
and John had a little set of three quarter-inch multiplying billard balls
然后我哥有一小套1/4英寸的舞台一球变四
and he says "hey Mike look at this",boom ,two balls, boom ,three balls
然后他说“嘿，麦克看这个”，啪，两颗球，啪，三颗球
and it was amazing.
简直不可思议
and he said "hey, you can have these"
他然后说“来，这些给你了”
and that was the moment.
这，就是我的魔术启蒙
now, what's amazing to me is that, John just gave that away
当时对我来说很神奇的地方，是我哥只不过无心插柳
and sort of never gave it another thought
也没想到日后柳就这么成荫了
and that the moment I got it, it completely changed my life.
而对我来说，这一刻完全改变了我的人生。
I think I probably was drawn to magic for the same reason that most young boys are
魔术对于我的启蒙，恐怕和许多年轻的男孩子一样
magic turns out to be a very practical coping mechanism
作为解决我们社交或是心理方面的失调
for dealing with some form of social and or psychological maladjustment
魔术是一个非常有效的应激手段
there's something that enters your consciousness, before a certain age.
有那么种东西，在你快成熟前，自然而然的会窥入你的潜意识
理查德 考夫曼
and its…you're vulnerable towards being bitten hard by this fascination
那个年龄，面对惊奇震撼的事物，我们的心理仍然是脆弱的
and the allure of being able to do the impossible
以及你有能力可以办到“不可能”的那种诱惑
there is just something about that world of trickery, deceit, lies
就是有对这个世界的向往：把戏，欺诈和谎言的世界
there's…if you have that type of mindset, it's really hard to say what it is
我不知道该如何描述这种心态，但是如果你觉得你倾向于这些领域
if you got it, you know you're in the right place
你觉得你有这天赋，你自然会觉得你归属于此
One day, I was invited to the Magic Casle
有一天我受邀去魔术城堡
I walked into that building and I said 'this is where I belong"
我踏进那座建筑时，我就在想“这里才是我的归属”
蒂娜 莱纳特
I don't…it's…I don't know why,but because first of all
我不知怎么的…也说不上来缘由，但不管怎样
it's a night club. You have to dress up and you drink and I don't like doing either of those
首先，魔术城堡其实算夜总会，你必须穿着正式的在里面喝酒，而我两样都讨厌
something about the building, it was this old victorian building and
不过我对这个建筑有感，这种维多利亚风的房子
the atmosphere and everything so
不管是气氛等之类的都吸引着我
I was so fascinated , that the next day
我实在太喜欢这里，于是第二天
I called the Magic Castle, and actually spoke to Bill Larsen
我致电给魔术城堡，而且我还跟比尔拉森通话
the man that ran the Magic Castle.
也就是城堡的主人
and I said: "Umm, I'm a mime,
我说：“我是个哑剧艺人”
and I would like to know how I can work at the Magic Castle
“我想知道我怎样才能在魔术城堡工作呢？”
and he very kindly said to me
于是他很和蔼的回答我：
"Well, to work at the Magic Castle, you have to be a magician"
"这么说吧，要在魔术城堡工作，你首先得是一个魔术师"
and I paused and I said
我愣了下，然后说：
“Oh, really?”
“哦，真的吗？”
My father died when I was young,
我年幼时父亲就死了，
and the guys that ran the local magic shop
然后那些在我当地魔术店工作的人
felt pity for the kid who lost his dad
有点同情我这个没有爸的孩子
and they said:"well, you could come work at our magic shop"
他们说：“好吧，你可以来我们店里打工”
but here's what…you don't get paid
不过呢，他们不付你工资，
and all you get to do is vacuum the floor and clean the bird cage.
你能做的只是给地板吸吸尘，然后清洗鸟笼
I jumped at it, I loved it
二话不说，我欣然接受
and, what the opportunity for me was
而这份苦工所带给我的机会
to hang out with these guys and learn
则是可以跟这些家伙学习魔术
and when there was no customers, which was most of the time
如果店里没客人的话，虽然几乎大部分时间都没客人。
I got to read magic books
我就可以读些魔术书籍
so magic shop, at least from my personal perspective
因此，在我个人的角度看来，魔术店的存在
are very important for the people that worked there
对于在那里工作的人来说，意义重大
how important they are in today's culture
如今世风，魔术店的存在有多少价值
as a meeting place, or place where the culture and the
作为爱好者的聚集点，或是作为魔术文化的
and the information it has transfered，I'm not sure
信息之交流的社交空间，这我无法确定
I don't think they're all that important.
我不认为魔术店有那么的重要
for someone who wants to be a performing magician
如果你想成为一个专业表演的魔术师
however, they have been really important to the culture of magic
然而，魔术店，对于魔术的历史及其文化来说至关重要
(魔术店)没那么容易去经营，虽然不容易
不过还是乐在其中，因为经常会与人交道
还有一点就是……
小野坂 东
这样的社交，有点类似江户时期的市井文化
江户时的那些非商户的普通老百姓
あんまり持っけど？？こと考えでないし？？
何が自分の得意な物で
人と、何の話をしたりコミュニケーションとれらのことがあって
その 中心の場所とか集まってくる場所が
这里跪求日语大神来认真听，原片英语字幕好像不够给力
Tannen's Magic is the oldest magic store, certainly in New York City
[Tannen's魔术]算是纽约市最老字号的魔术店了
one of the oldest in the country, and the world I guess
也是全美国最老的，也有可能全世界最老…
My name is Adam Blumenthal, I'm the owner of Tannen's Magic
我是亚当 布鲁门萨，我是[Tannen's魔术]的店主
Tannen's has been here since 1925
Tannen‘s从1925年开业至今
and obviously there's a lot of New York magicians
很多纽约本地的和来自各地的魔术师们
and magicians all over the place who grew up at Tannen's
在Tannen’s魔术店的屋檐下学习并逐渐成熟
and have fond history and memories of all the different locations we've had
给我们这几十年开过的不同店址留下了美好的回忆。
I think any brick-and-mortar to the magic store
我觉得任何形式的“实体魔术店”
is really kind of essential in the grows of any local magic community, but
对于本地魔术圈的发展都很重要。
uhhh, Tennen's especially
Tannen家亦是如此
I think the attraction is the ability to,one walk in here and feel some history.
我觉得本店特色即是，客户一走进来就能感受这里的历史
we moved five times,uhm since 1925 so
开业以来，我们已搬迁了五次
and there's been quite a few different locations, and not everyone started coming here
也有过好几个不同的店址，所以并非所有人都从这家店址开始认识我们的
but you walk in and you see a lot of old pieces
但是一进来你也能看到很多旧货古董
you see a collection of our old books that we've published
你能看到我们曾经出版过的一系列书籍
We have a library, and people can borrow things from
我们也有图书馆，以供客户借用资料
so you get to come in and really see things first-handed and touch things
所以客户进来，可以亲身接触感受这些东西
historical,Tannen's was really catering towards professional magicians
历史上，Tannen家主要还是为职业魔术师提供服务的
uhh, you come in to buy your props for the latest road show.
他们进来基本上是找巡回表演要用的道具
now it's a much more of an amateur audience
现在大部分都是业余爱好者来光顾
professional magician at this point are not buying props as much in a local magic store
现在的职业的魔术师不经常去本地的店里采集道具
We have anyone coming in from 4-year-old up to…
我们客户的年龄群从4岁的孩子到…
I think the oldest customer I've ever met here was 97
我记得在这里遇到的最老的客人有97岁
and, uh, we're not on the street,
然而，我们店面不开在街头
we've never been on the street, so you gotta know we're here
我们从没在街边开过店，所以你得知道具体店址
It's kind of a hang-out place
这里差不多就是个聚会点
magic shops are incredibly important
魔术店的存在意义重大
and I really believe that as magic shops disappear
我真心认为，随着魔术店的不断消逝
the culture of magic starts to disappear
魔术的文化也开始走向其尽头
so for me it was Tannen's
我的童年记忆就是Tannen's
When i was a kid I used to driving in the city, go to Tannen's,go up in the elevator
小时候经常开车去城里，到了乘电梯上楼找Tannen‘s的店
and see Tony and trying to understand what Tony was saying
去见托尼，然后看我能不能听懂他在说什么
Umm, and there were certain guys that hung out in the shop
那时经常有些有名的人在那边出没
Bob Elliott was there, and I was like "that's a real magician!"
鲍伯 艾略特也在，我当时想“哇，这可是真正的魔术师啊！”
People would walk into a magic shop and the guy behind the counter might be a master
客人随便走进家魔术店，可能都不知道柜台后面站着的是个魔术大师
艾尔 弗洛索
somebody that other magician would travel the world to spend five minutes with
那些其他慕名者甘愿爬山涉水来拜访五分钟的大师们
there are increasingly few of these places
这类的魔术店实在稀少
and now, most of the interactions are taking place online
现如今，大部分交易都被网络媒介所代替了
it's a different thing, it isn't as good
网络交易不同实体店，并没比面对面好
网店只有买卖而已
小野坂 麻麻
并没有真正的交流
给客户展示下商品效果
コミュニケーションを取って
気に入ったか知らないかで、売ります
じゃないと、買った人が満足しません
I don't think magic shops are like they used to be
现代的魔术店不同以往了
but the world is not like it used to be
正如我们所处的世界今非昔比
The way people congregate is now…ethereal
如今人们都在无形虚拟的平台上聚集
it's on the internet, it's not in-person many times
依靠网络，很多人不再面对面的交流了
I really miss been able to going to the magic shop
我很怀念以前能走进一家魔术店
and saying to the guy behind the counter:"what's that, and what's that"
然后问柜台后的家伙“那是啥，这又是什么啊”
because they are few and far between now
现在这样的魔术店员越来越少
and even those that are around are often now staffed by
甚至现在有些魔术店有的店员们
magicians who don't really know deeply into their product line
都是些对魔术产品没有深刻了解的“魔术师”们
they know the latest things
对新品他们是有所知晓
but if you point at something that was released four years ago
但你要是指着呆在柜子里铺满灰尘
that's been in the counter and gathering dust
四年前推出的老道具询问他们
and you go:"what is that?", they go"I don't know"
“这是什么啊”，“我也不知道”
“我们都 参与在其中”
独自
莉莉 汤姆森
I sort of love magicians, they are a very strange bunch of people
我有点喜欢魔术师们，他们是个稀奇古怪的群体
and, there is so much diversity in this
这个人群本身也“种类繁多”
there's extremely funny people, there's very serious people
有专门来搞笑玩滑稽的，也有表现严肃庄重的
there's definitely some very creative people
当然也有那些非常有创造力的人
there's some extremely sad people as well
甚至也有表现忧郁的人存在
I think the magic world is a very strange place
魔术这个领域，在我看来非常稀奇
I think magic attracts all sort of people that
我认为魔术总是吸引着各式各样那些…
for some reason and other, not be able to really be accepted by any other communities
因为某种缘由，不被其他群体或社会所包容的人类
magic like all art, is autobiographical
如同任何艺术，魔术带有自传式的性质
and so if, a person's race or gender or class statues or sexual orientation
因此，一个人的种族，或性别，或社会阶级，或性取向
or educational level, all of those different ingredients
或教育程度…等等这些所有不同的
that go to defining who a person is ultimately
用以诠释一个人存在的因素成分
are expressed through his or her magic
都将在他/她的表演中得以表现
so, yes it is a factor
是的，这些是个人因素
is it a factor that should prevent anyone from doing magic?
但这些因素的存在，是否能作为理由限制任何人玩魔术吗？
absolutely not
当然不能
There's so few women in magic, because that's just the way it is
魔术界女性出现的不多，是因为这个领域性质本是如此
that's going along with a lot of other things that women didn't used to do before
如同其他很多职业和领域，在以前本来就不受女性青睐
so I don't even think it's a question that needs answering
所以我觉得这个现象算是不问自答
if you have a passion for something,
如果你对一件事物饱含热情，
,it has nothing to do with whether you're male or female
那么你的这份热爱无关性别男女
it's about doing the hard work
有关的是你的勤奋努力
about, relating to other people
有关你的为人处事
about getting feedback, about…just being there
有关你的不断学习，有关你在这领域的存在
the world of magic is incredibly welcoming, incredibly nurturing
魔术师的世界是非常包容和乐于培养的
it's almost like a foster family
就如同寄养家庭一样
and if you're
而如果你…
if you've ever been someone that's felt different or alienated in anyway,not accepted
…觉得自己属于那种被看做异类而排斥的人
magic is this amazing safe haven
魔术就是给予这些人的避难所
Magic IS one big family, but it's a really disfunctional one
魔术圈确实是个大家庭，但却是个协调不平衡的家庭
and we're all just trying to get by and create new tricks and
每个人都只想在这里发展，创造新的魔术等
and uh, you know hopefully perform for the public and entertain them.
然后有能力的话去给大众表演制造娱乐
but within that, you have an enormous amount of diversity.
然而在圈子内部，你会看到繁多复杂的不同魔术门类
you'll have people like the ex-director of the Central Intelligence Agency
你会碰到类似前CIA情报局局长（John McLaughlin）这样的人
people who are the CEOs of gigantic Wall St. investiment banks
类似华尔街那些大投资银行的首席官们
who are very wealthy billionaires
身价亿万的土豪之类的人
sitting and talking to people who are students or,you know sanitation engineers
与类似学生或者环卫工之类的人一同坐着交谈
the community of magic is like a community of…children
魔术师的圈子，就好像一帮孩子一样
there are illusion, there are enjoyment
我们表演幻术，各种嬉耍
We want…we like very…must to be together
我们很喜欢也一直需要聚会
for this there are lots of conventions, and dinner together.
因此我们经常有办交流大会，或者聚餐之类的。
All the time magicians are together
魔术师们总是在搞基
in the older field of performance, usually its not like this, usually you know
你可知道在以前，通常演艺圈可没有这么好的气氛
I've been an orchestrator, a musician, an actor, a comic and a magician.
我当过管弦乐者，音乐人，演员，笑星和魔术师
but there's nothing like magic, you know
但是实在没有像魔术这样的职业了
I've been stranded in Europe, and I find a magician there and
我曾只身搁浅在欧洲，然后我遇到一个魔术师
and I need a prop or something, and they're there.
我需要个道具什么的，他们就这样给我了
I don't like the idea of the public, thinking that the
我不喜欢看到一般人看到魔术师，马上认为
magicians as a group are all kind of ego-maniac that are
魔术师就是一群狂傲自负的江湖武林装逼犯
trying to out do each other all the time with each others' biggest tricks or
无时不刻都在互相竞争，拿各自最厉害的把戏和功夫对决
or being really catty about each other behind each others' back
或者各种背后损人的阴险的侠士争斗
because I don't…that's not my magic,that's not what I feel about magic
因为我不觉…这不是我所在的魔术圈子，也不是我认为魔术应有的
but it is there, you know, and I supposed it's there the same way the…
但是竞争确实存在，当然我觉得所谓竞争差不多如同…
you know, whoever wins the Turner Prize and every other artist want to say something negative about them
你懂得，不管谁得了*透纳奖总会有一堆艺术家出来狂黑这个人
*英国一个视觉艺术奖项
My favorite thing about magic…I loved performing,I love being a magician,
我最喜欢魔术的一点…我喜欢表演魔术，我喜欢当魔术师，
I love being fooled by magic, everything we've been talking about
我喜欢被魔术虐到，所有这些我们谈过的东西
but really the best thing is
但魔术真正吸引我的地方，
the collection of people that magic has brought me in touch with and put in my life.
是那些因为魔术而与我汇合，进入到我人生中的那些人们
it's the best gift that magic can give me
这，是魔术给予过我的最好的礼物
“不相信魔法的人，永远找不到魔法”
罗尔德 达尔
magic saved my life
魔术救了我一命
罗布 扎布雷奇
did it?
真的？
yes
是的
Do you want to talk about it?
能说说发生了什么吗？
yeah
嗯
两 条 路，
一 个 终 点
since I can remember, I wanted to be a entertainer
打从有记忆开始，我就想做个娱乐人
that I wanted to be a performer，and I wanted to be a musical performer
我想做个演艺人,一个音乐表演人。
When I was really young, my dad was used to had to watch the kids sometimes
我很小的时候，我爸经常要照看孩子
斯蒂芬 巴尔加茨
and, that was never fun
而那并不是很有意思
that was my single goal, my single focus in life,
那曾是作为我唯一关注的人生目标
that's what I woke up in the morning and thought about, thats what I went to sleep thinking about
我日思夜梦，每时每刻只想着做音乐人
my mom was working at night in a bowling alley
我妈在一个保龄球馆打夜工
and so he will often take us up to the bowling alley
因此我爸常带我们去保龄球馆附近
we would stayed in the nursery all night and he will go into the bar,mom will work
我们会被放在边上托儿所过夜，他则去酒吧呆着, 妈妈在打工
and once, somehow I ended up in this wrong door
有一次我不知怎么就走错门了
the nursery I was next to it
托儿所是在隔壁
and they had guard dogs there that they would let loose at the bowling alley at night
然后保龄球场晚上会让看门狗在馆内守着
For many of those years
那几年的时间里，
I couldn't or didn't go on stage without the aid of drugs or alcohol
我无法在不依靠毒品或酒精的麻醉下上台表演
and when I saw the dead end with music and what that was going to be
而当我意识到，我这条音乐梦的道路在往死角走去时
I thought my life was over
我以为人生要就此结束
I don't remember a thing, but I was attacked by one of the dogs
我记不起来发生什么了，总之我遭到其中一只狗的袭击。
The bull dog kind of bit me, it torn right from here this part of my mouth opened
那头斗牛犬咬了我，从我脸这里开始把我的嘴撕开。
because of that,I had water gathers in my mouth. As a kid my tongue was always swollen
因为这伤，我口腔里时不时会积水。从那时我就成了一个舌头一直肿胀的孩子
I had a very difficult time with speech
有那么段时间我讲话都很困难
you know I had six-and-a-half-year of plastic surgery, the one that makes you handsome
你可知我做了六年半的整容手术，那种把你整的好看的手术
so one very hot summer afternoon in the mid 90's
我记得当时是九零年某个炽热的盛夏傍晚
we loaded our gear into a night club in downtown Baltimore
我们乐队把设备搬进巴尔的摩繁华区的一个夜总会里
and I'm looking for a place to cool off
我当时想找个地方避避凉
and it could be anywhere, it could be a women's shoes store,or mattress shop
我可能进了任何一家店里，女鞋店啊或者床具店
but it wasn't, the place that I stepped into was called "Ken-zo's Yogi Magic Mart."
但天晓得为什么，我走进了一家叫“肯索瑜伽魔术市场”的店
on a Saturday I went by McDonald's
某个星期六我经过麦当劳
and there's Ronald McDonald doing the Mouse of???????
我看到麦当劳叔叔在举办一场魔术秀，？？？？什么的名字
and there's a man named Tommy Hart,who performed in many McDonald's
当时有个叫汤米哈特的人在那，他给很多麦当劳表演过
after about 10 minutes,I started feeling guilty for essentially loitering
过了十来分钟，我开始觉得呆在人家店里一直闲逛很不好
so I asked this guy, the single person in the shop
于是去我问唯独在这家店里的这一个人
if you had a trick that I'll be able to perform at the little night club down the street
"有什么戏法我可以拿去到街对面的夜总会表演的吗？"
and he said "what about this"
然后他说“这个怎么样”
and he reached into his pocket and he took out a little handkerchief
说着他伸手从口袋里抽出一条小手帕
and he pushed it into his fist like this, said "presto chango" and it was gone.
把它塞进了拳头里，说了句“见证奇迹的时刻”然后就不见了
It was unbelievable, I couldn't believe what I saw
简直不可思议，当下我都不敢相信自己的眼睛
and I also couldn't believe that the trick was for sale
但更重要的，是我不敢相信这把戏可以花钱买到
he did this, what was called a Gene Anderson paper tear.
当时他做了 杰恩 安德森 版本的撕报纸还原
we did the paper tear, we torn paper up
观众也照着魔术师，大家一起撕报纸
and I was watching that,and I was like "what in the world did I just see"
我看着这个把戏，内心的想法是“我刚刚都看到了什么！”
that night we're about 3 songs into our set
那天晚上，我们差不多唱到第三首歌时
there‘s a couple hundreds of people in the audience
台下观众大概有个几百人左右
and our guitar player broke his string
我们的吉他手突然断弦了
and i can't tell you why
我也不知道为什么
but i immediately remembered this device that I had in my front right pocket
但是我马上记起来我右口袋里还放着一个
to vanish a small object
可以消失小物件的道具
he goes:uh son, you just gotta get the books
他跟我说：噢孩子，你只需要找些书
and you read the books…get a bunch of magic books
然后认真读读，找些魔术的书就是了
and I remember dropping my eyes and kinda walking away, and he goes like "what wrong"
我还记得我低下头沮丧的想离开，他问道“怎么了”
and I…you know I go:"uhh, I'm not a good reader"
于是我回答道“呃呃，我不是很会读书”
and uh
然后…
…I don't know
我也记不清…
what happened at that moment, but he said:
当时具体发生了什么，然后他说
he goes: "wait till…wait a minute,and I'll talk to you"
他说“等等…等一会儿，我再找你说”
everybody laughed
所有人都对我大笑
and he said "its ok", and he showed me how to put a card behind my hand
他说“没关系”，然后他给我展示如何在手后面拿一张牌
the back palm
就是手背藏牌
and he goes "if you can learn that, I can teach you anything,everything I've done"
然后他说，“如果你能学会这个，那我可以教你我所有会的东西”
I grab the mic and I blurred "who has a…whos got a condom out there"
我握着麦克风说道 “谁额…有谁手头有避孕套？”
"a wrapped condom?"
"带包装的？"
and in no time, it flew onto the stage and I picked it up
马上就有一个飞掷进舞台，我捡了起来
opened it up, and very crudely, I put that condom in my fist.
拆开包装，然后很粗暴的，我把那套套塞进手掌里
and then, it vanished
然后就消失了
and that crowd went crazy
然后观众们全都疯了
for a week I couldn't wait till the next Saturday to McDonald's
那一周我都按耐不住想到下个星期六去麦当劳
so i go there,and there he is performing. And the whole show
然后我去了，他还在那表演。整场演出中
I'm in the back, back palming and hiding the card.
我躲在后台，一直练习手背藏牌
during the whole show, he rolled his eyes like a hundred times
整场演出他对我翻了不知多少个白眼
but I'm just saying "you got to see me, I can do that and I'm ready for the next lesson"
但我却一直在说“你得找我，我已经会了而且准备要学下一个把戏了”
I came back to LA
我回到洛杉矶
and my girlfriend at the time, is now my wife,had a pass to the Magic Castle
我当时的女友，也就是我现在的妻子，有可以进魔术城堡的通行证
and we went
然后我们去了
and from the second that I said "open sesame" to that owl and walked into that
而从我对门口那头猫头鹰说出“芝麻开门”到踏入…
main bar, the Grand Salon
主酒吧，也就是客房的那一秒
I felt in love with magic
我就爱上了魔术
what Tommy did for me at that time was he gave me my vehicle
汤米当时为我所做的，就是给了我属于我自己的动力
you know, its the moment I become alive, is when I'm on stage.
我站在舞台上的瞬间，就是我复生的时刻
now 15 years later, I'm very proud to be a part of this…this community
十五年后的现在，我为自己成为魔术社会的一员感到很骄傲
I was kind of like going 90 miles an hour into a dead end
那时我的人生正以无法挽救的速度往一条死路下滑
and all of sudden there was an oferhemp?? that just sort of like opened up
结果突然我前方出现了？？？？
and there is was, and here I am
???????????
magic saved my life
魔术改变了我的命运
there's no way to go about that. I mean I am who I am because of magic
这是无法否定的事实，我因为魔术才得以走到今天
“艺术包含了对技巧的忽视”
“这是门对技巧视而不见的艺术” 大神们哪个好点？
maybe the greatest piece of magic I've ever seen
我所看过的魔术当中最好的一段
希拉里 斯万卡
was when I was thirteen years old
可能就是我十三岁那年
I went to my first magic convention
我去了我人生的第一个魔术交流会
there was a guy there, named Jack Channing
那里有个人名叫杰克 钱宁
in performance, he took a lit cigarette, which he was smoking
表演当中，他拿着他抽到一半的一根香烟
and clearly, from the smoke and the lit ember, it was the real thing.
当然，从冒出的烟和猩红的灰头，能看得出是真的香烟
and he put it into his fist
他把香烟放进拳头里
everything looked like it should
整个过程都毫无违和感
I mean you would though "my god he's got a burning cigarette in his hand"
你要是看到了会说“天啊，他手里握着根还点燃的香烟”
and he slowly uncurl one finger
接着他缓缓的打开一根手指
and he slowly uncurl another
然后又缓缓的打开下一根
and somewhere right around this point
而就在他这样展示的时间前后
it dawned on every member of the audience,each on his own moment
接二连三的，现场的观客们各自陡然意识到…
not simultaneously
并非同时的
that is Jack was studying his hand in the process of opening it to show it empty
杰克瞥视着自己慢慢打开的空手掌的过程中
he was smoking the cigarette
他在一旁抽着刚刚的那根香烟
the hair on the back of my head stood up at the time
当时真是看得我后脑勺头皮发麻
and it just did now
就连现在回想起来也是
to create magic
我想能创造魔术
I wanted to be at that level
我想达到这个程度
that they have no other answer than it has to be magic, "how can he do that?"
让他们找不到任何其他解释，只能认为是魔法。“他是怎么办到的”
I love it, I honestly really really love it
我爱这感觉，真的我对此欲罢不能
I mean, that is the ultimate achievement for me
对我而言，这真的就是最终的目标
when i see my audience smile
当我看到观众脸上咧开的微笑
they're just completely taken by the magic that I've just performed
看到他们被我表演的魔术完全的沉迷住
and they perceive it as a miracle
并且真的相信这是个奇迹
For me my personal motive? is to move people to a point of uncertainty
对我来说我的目的？？是，让观众无法确认真实与否
and a genuine uncertainty
那种真假难辨的感觉
I‘m not interesting in them necessary believe in magic is real
我不关心他们是否相信魔术是真的
or them questioning wheather the magic is real
也不关心他们是否质疑魔术的真实性
I'm really interesting in moving them to a place where they're not sure
我更关心能否让他们对魔术的真实性感到无法确认
I think if you can do that, you create a real moment in magic
我觉得如果你能做到这一点，你才真正制造了一个属于魔术的瞬间