果然字幕组
翻译 樊哙 鱼丸粗面 两仪枫 虾饺
翻译 不才本上神 老德 小飞侠
时间轴 某非 特效 屁屁
监制 某非
斯 诺 登
本片由真实故事改编 故事发生于2004年至2013年间
果然字幕组
- 所以人呢 - 他是除我们以外唯一的白种人 - So? - It's the only alligator.
都过去四分钟了 Four minutes past
我们一进来 他就已经知道了 we walk in one minute. He was clear on that.
他会来的 He's coming.
你知道吗 他太年轻了 不可能有权限接触那些机密 You know? He's too young to have that kind of access.
- 啊 餐厅什么时候开始营业 - 中午 - Ah... what time does the restaurant open. - Noon.
但是食物太辛辣了 这边走 But the food's a little too spicy. This way.
2013年6月3日 周一 香港
借过 Excuse me.
就在这里 Right here.
请勿打扰
很高兴终于同你们会面 It's uh really great to finally meet you guys.
第一件事 我能否请你们交出手机 So first thing, can I get your cellphones please?
谢谢 我们都同意劳拉才是唯一可以在此录影的人 Thank you. We want Laura to be the only one recording.
对 正如我们之前约定 谢谢你 Right, as discussed. Thank you.
这个其实是我刚买的 I actually bought this
这个可以阻隔特高频 It blocks UHF frequencies.
你以前录过影吧 对吗 You have been photographed before, right?
对 但距离上次有人给我拍照已经过了很久了 Yeah, it's been a while since anybody took a photo of me.
你就尝试想象这个是你朋友 Try thinking of this as your friend.
慢慢来不着急 Take your time.
额 你能先告诉我们为什么你要做这些 Um, can you start by telling us why you did what you did?
然后 额 我在飞机上看到那些资料 and uh, how you gained access to such a vast amount of information
你怎么会有权限能够接触如此庞大的数据信息 All of which I read on the plane, um, and...
格兰 不如我们从介绍姓名开始 如何 Glenn. How about we just start with your name?
我的名字是爱德华·乔瑟夫·斯诺登 My name is Edward Joseph Snowden.
我今年29岁 I'm 29 years old
我是美国国家安全局的雇员 I work as a private contractor for the NSA.
我也给美国中央情报局供职过 I've also worked as a private contractor for the CIA
还有直接受雇于当局政府 and directly for the agency.
过去这九年我从事过情报行业的很多种类的工作 I've worked in various jobs in the intelligence industry for the last nine years.
我做过系统工程师 I've been a systems engineer.
额 还做过方案顾问 Uh, been a solutions consultant
以及中情局的高级顾问 and senior adviser for the Central Intelligence Agency.
- 所以你们想成为特种兵吗 - 当然想 教官 - So you wanna be Special Forces? -Sir, yes sir!
我觉得特种兵见了你们 都不好意思管你们叫军人 I think Special Forces would be ashamed to call you soldiers!
- 我说的对不对 - 不 不对 - Am I right? - Sir, no, sir.
左脚 左脚右脚 左脚 Your left. Your left right. Your left.
- 远离驾驶凯迪拉克的我 - 远离驾驶凯迪拉克的我 - Went from driving Cadillacs. - Went from driving Cadillacs.
- 成为在伊拉克战场上开军车的我 - 成为在伊拉克战场上开军车的我 - To drivin' convoys in Iraq. - To drivin' convoys in Iraq.
加把劲 士兵们 Come on, soldier!
动起来 动起来 Move! Move!
跟上 你们这些废物 动起来 Pick it up, you waste of space! Move!
努力 士兵们 Come on, soldier!
快点 眼镜仔 Come on, goggles!
- 斯诺登 你他妈在干啥 - 没事 长官 Snowden, what the hell are you doing? -Nothing, sir
- 你的心思都在哪儿呢 - 就在这里 长官 Where's your fuckin' heart? - Right here, sir.
现在我要求你从你那可怜的胸膛伸手进去把你的心扯出来 Now I want you reach way down in that pathetic excuse of a chest and you rip it out.
用点心 然后你给我爬上那座塔 You find your heart, and then you get your broke ass on my tower!
你听明白没 You got that?
明白了 长官 现在从我眼前消失 Sir, yes, sir! -Now get the fuck outta my face!
先生们 我现在要求你们赶紧从塔上爬开 快 I need you off my tower, gentlemen! Let's move!
动起来 快点 Move! Come on!
该起床了废物们 别打飞机了 赶紧给我滚出营房 Rise and shine maggots! Get your hands off your dicks and get the fuck out of my barracks!
你们有一分钟时间 全部出去 动起来 快点 You guys got one minute! Fall out! Move, move, move!
操 Fuck!
救命 Help!
- 斯诺登 斯诺登死哪去了 - 救命 - Snowden? Where the fuck is Snowden? - Help!
你要知道 就你这两条伤腿 You know, you've been walkin' around on two broken legs
乐观来看 至少也得花数周才能恢复 best I can tell, for weeks.
这就是你用150磅的躯体负重80磅之后的结果 Now, this is what happens when you put a 80 pound rucksack on a 150 pound body.
然后你就得了压力性骨折 - 慢点 - 抱歉 - You get these little stress fractures. - Easy - Sorry.
这些裂隙在你的胫骨上生成 They build up in your tibias
你无法摆脱他们 直到他们积劳成疾爆发 You don't get off of them and eventually they just bust.
现在你可能要在这里呆个几周 Now you gonna be here for a few weeks
而且呢 我认为你要脱离拐杖至少还得八周 and then, I'd count on another eight weeks or so on crutches.
好 那我什么时候能回归军队 Okay, then when do I go back?
如果你以后双腿受力 不管是不是从直升机上跳下 Son, you ever again land on those legs of yours,airborne or no
你的骨头都会碎成粉末的 those bones turn to powder.
我现在会签署一份行政遣散报告 I'm gonna authorize an administrative discharge.
还有很多其他方式可以效忠你的国家 Plenty of other ways to serve your country.
网络怪客相亲网 新信息
攻壳机动队也是我的最爱之一 你现实生活中皮肤也这么苍白么
你曾经犯下过什么没被人抓住过的罪责么 Have you committed a crime for which you weren't caught?
没有 No.
你考试做过弊么 Have you cheated on an exam?
没有 No.
- 你相信美国是全世界最伟大的国家吗 - 我相信 - Do you believe the United States is the greatest country in the world? -Yes.
你为何想加入中情局 Why do you want to join the CIA?
你会怎么向一个孩子解释互联网呢 How would you explain the Internet to a child?
你的祖父退休时官至海军上将 而且曾经任职于联邦调查局 Your grandad retired as an admiral and joined the FBI.
你的父亲是海岸巡逻队员 服役三十年 Dad's in the Coast Guard. 30-year man.
你生命中最重要的日子是哪一天 What has been the most important day in your life?
911 我们当时以为我的祖父就在五角大楼里 9/11. We thought my grandfather was inside the Pentagon.
结果他那天刚好不在那里 It turned out he was offsite that day.
- 你想成为特种军人 - 是的 长官 我喜欢他们的格言 - You wanted to be Special Forces? - Yes, sir. I love their motto.
- 解放所有被压迫的人 - 这就是你希望加入我们的原因么 - De oppresso liber. - Is that what you hope to do with us?
将人们从压迫中解脱出来 Free people from oppression?
我愿意效忠我的国家直至世界因此而变得更美好 I'd like to help my country make a difference in the world.
互联网是一种科技 The Internet is a technology
能让世界上所有人都可以互相认识对方 that has the power to let everyone in the world understand each other.
因为一道题目丢了？？考试的满分 Missed a perfect score on the ASVAB test by a single question.
语言考试完美得分 Crushed the language learning test.
一些是普通话 一些是日语 Some Mandarin, some Japanese.
没有高中毕业证 那你为什么没念完高中 And no high school diploma? So why did you stop attending high school?
我要去赚钱 我父母那时候处在离婚期间 I had to make money. My parents were divorcing at the time.
还有其他有影响的人或事么 我会说是约瑟夫 坎贝尔 Any other influences? I'd say Joseph Campbell.
星际大战 梭罗 Star Wars. Thoreau.
- 艾茵 兰德 - 一个人可以停下世界的运转？？？ - Ayn Rand. -"One man can stop the motor of the world."
- 阿特拉斯耸耸肩 - 是 长官 我相信它 - Atlas Shrugged? - Yes, sir. I believe that.
我们再试试 你为什么想加入中情局 Let's try again. Why do you want to join the CIA?
额 坦白讲 长官 Uh, well frankly, sir...
掌握最高安全级别是一件很酷的事 sounds really cool to have top security clearance.
还不够 It's not enough.
通常是不行的 但现在不是一般时期 Ordinarily. But these are not ordinary times.
炸弹不会阻止恐怖主义 Bombs won't stop terrorism
但是聪明的头脑可以 我们现在缺少聪明人 brains will, though we don't have nearly enough of those.
我会再给你一个机会 斯诺登 I'm gonna give you a shot, Snowden
谢谢长官 非常感谢 您不会后悔的 Thank your, sir. Thank you very much. You won't regret this.
我的名字是科宾 奥布莱恩 My name is Corbin O'Brien
我有很多头衔 其中之一是高级讲师 I have many titles, among them senior instructor.
你会参加唉我在中情局训练中心的课程 You'll be joining my class at The Hill.
停车 关闭引擎 Stop the vehicle. Turn off the engine.
我要看您的身份证 I need to see your ID.
好的 请只动你的左手 把后车厢打开 Alright. Using your left hand only, pop the trunk.
现在请将你的手穿过方向盘放在仪表板上 Now place your hands through the steering wheel on the dashboard.
穿过方向盘放在仪表板上 别从车里出来 Through the steering wheel on the dashboard. Do not exit the vehicle.
中情局训练中心 弗吉尼亚 山坡 2006
- 借过 - 你要找的奥布莱恩的课堂 - Excuse me. - You'll be looking for Corbin's class
在走廊尽头 一直走穿过第二道门 end of the hall, keep going thruogh the second set of doors.
恩尼格玛密码机 是一种用于加密与解密文件的密码机
谢谢你 那是恩尼格玛密码机吗 - Thank you. Is that, uh, ENIGMA?
不 恩尼格玛密码机已经被破坏了 No. ENIGMA was broken.
替換式密碼 又名取代加密法
这是后续的替換式密碼从未被破坏 This is the follow-up, SIGABA; never broken.
冷战时期最伟大的加密机器 Cold War's greatest encryption machine.
历史的浪潮淘汰了他们 Tides of history tick with this motor and these rotors.
但有一天所有人都会想拥有一台这样的机器的 One day everyone's gonna want a machine like this.
哇 我一直想学密码学 这是什么 Wow, I've always wanted to learn cryptography. What's this one?
热线电话 第一条横穿华盛顿和莫斯科的电话线 Hot line. First line between Washington and Moscow.
很有可能成功阻止了第三次世界大战 Probably prevented World War III.
你的名字是什么 我怎么知道你不是敌特 You gotta name? How do I know you're not the enemy?
- 哦 抱歉 额 斯诺登 爱德华 斯诺登 - 汉克 福瑞斯特 - Oh sorry, uh Snowden. Ed Snowden. - Hank Forrester.
- 你在哪里上学 斯诺登 - 大部分时间我都是自学 - Where'd you study, Snowden? - Mostly I'm self-taught.
Cray-1 20 世纪70年代后期美国推出的Cray-1 是第二代巨型机的标志
如果你很忙的话你可以打断我 但那是Cray-1吗 You can tell me if you're busy, but is that a Cray-1?
为什么不呢 是的 第一台超级电脑 Why yes. Yes, it is. The first supercomputer.
- 我们现在把这些都汇聚到手机上了 - 是啊 所以你是一名工程师吗 - We get all of this on a cell phone now. -Yes. So you're an engineer?
我是工程师吗 还是教员或者咨询师 Am I an engineer? Instructor and counselor, too.
我应该是要小心注意你们这些新人 I'm supposed to keep an eye on you CTs.
防止你们因为压力过大转而酗酒或者药物成瘾 Make sure you don't buckle under the pressure. Turn to drugs and booze.
好吧 对我你大可放心 我既不喝酒也不吸毒 Well, you won't have that problem with me. I don't drink or do drugs.
那你的罪恶之源是什么 电脑吧 - What is your sin of choice? - Computers.
那么 斯诺登 那你算来对地方了 Well then, Snowden. You've come to the right whorehouse.
国际反恐战争的前线不在伊拉克或者阿富汗 The front lines in the global war on terror are not Iraq or Afghanistan.
而在这里 They're here.
在伦敦 柏林 In London. Berlin.
伊斯坦布尔 Istanbul.
每一个服务器 每一个连结 Any server. Any connection.
现代战场无处不在 The modern battlefield is everywhere.
意味着你们不能坐在战壕里等着导弹或者躲避炮弹落下 Which means you don't have to sit in a ditch eating MREs or dodging mortar fire.
这意味着如果出现另外一次911事件 It means that if there is a another 9/11
会是因为你们的错误 it'll be your fault.
正如上一次911来自于我们这一代 Just as the last one was my generation's.
相信我 你们不会想活着背负这样的负担的 Believe me, you do not want to live with that burden.
我们从天资测试开始 We're gonna start with an aptitude test.
你们每个人都将在自己代表的国家内构建一个变源的通信网络 Each of you is gonna build a covert communications network in your home city.
你要部署这一切 备份你的网站 销毁资料 并且重建网站 You're gonna deploy it, back up your site, destroy it and restore it again.
本次训练的目的是让你们的加速你们的内部建设并且安全运行 Point of this exercise is to keep your infrastructure up and running securely.
考试平均通过时间为五小时 The average test time is five hours
如果你们超过八小时 那就出局 If you take more than eight, you will fail.
奥布莱恩先生 Mr. O'Brien?
长官 我完成了 I'm done, sir.
你不用每完成一个层级的构建就跟我汇报 You don't have to tell me when you've completed a stage.
不 我全部做完了 才过了40分钟 - No, I finished the whole thing. -It's been 40 minutes.
- 38 - 什么 - 38. -What?
38分钟 38 minutes.
好吧 我们来看看你有哪些地方做得不对 Okay. Let's see where you screwed up.
你没说过我们要按照一定的顺序操作 所以我 You didn't say we had to do it in order, so I ...
我为了节省时间打破了程序 I broke the sequence to save time
而且我建立网站时还让备份过程跑起来了 and I made the backup process to run as I built the site.
眼睛盯着屏幕 Eyes on screens.
- 那我现在应该做什么 - 想干嘛就干嘛 - So, what should I do now? - Whatever you want.
你在现实生活中也是这么苍白么
- 嘿 - 嗨 - Hey. - Hi.
- 终于见面了 - 是啊 - Finally. -Yeah.
抱歉 Sorry.
你想喝点什么吗 不 我们出去走走吧 - Do you want ... anything? -No. Let's go for a walk.
- 你应该多晒晒太阳 - 你之前说过 - You could use some sun. - Yeah. You mentioned that earlier.
抱歉这么久过去我才能见你 你不会想看我拄拐的样子的 Sorry it took me this long. You didn't want to see me on crutches.
我不是很敏捷 然后新工作又紧接着来临 I was not so agile. And then this new job hit.
- 还想问一下你现在在做什么工作 - 我为政府部门做数据分析工作 - What was it you're doing again? - I'm doing analysis for the State Department.
- 恭喜 - 多谢 - Congratulations. -Thanks.
你能帮我个忙 给我指一下政府部门的方向吗 Could you do me a favor and point in the direction of the State Department?
好 是那边 哪儿 你确定吗 - Yeah, it's that way. -Where? Are you sure?
我是说 我方向感不太好 也很不会撒谎 - I mean, I'm not that great at orienting myself. -Not that great at lying either.
如果你想成为间谍你最好在这两方面都下点力 You're going to have to work on both if you wanna be a spy.
我来的地方每个人年的家长都为政府部门工作 Where I came from everyone's parent worked for the State Department.
而且 这周你每次浏览我的网站 Plus, every time you visited my website this week,
最近特别频繁 都是来自弗吉尼亚州的IP地址 which was quite often, it was from an IP in Virginia.
你知道如何追踪IP 对 - You know how to run an IP trace? -Yeah.
我非常确定政府部门在弗吉尼亚州没有办公室 I'm pretty sure that the State Department has no offices in Virginia.
好吧 让我们看看你昂首阔步的样子 看什么 - Alright, let's see you strut it. -Let's see what?
让我看你昂首阔步的样子啊 给我们展示一下你的猫步 你懂得 Let's see you strut it. Show what you got, you know, your best catwalk.
别害羞 来吧 你可以的 Don't be shy. Come on, you got this.
我不知道 I don't know ...
布什下台 没有炸弹 布什下台 没有炸弹 No to Bush, no to bombs. No to Bush, no to bombs.
你能为我们的请愿书签个字吗 好的 当然了 - Would you mind signing our petition, please? -Yes, absolutely.
谢谢 非常谢谢你 - Thank you -Thank you so much.
先生呢 不 不用了 - Sir? -No thank you.
打扰一下 女士 你能签个字吗 我刚才签过了 - 好 谢谢你 Excuse me ma'am, you you like to sign? -I actually just signed. -Okay, thank you very much.
对你来说太过独立激进了吗 Too much independent spirit for you?
不 只是不喜欢攻击我的国家 No, I just don't really like bashing my country.
这也是我的国家啊 但是现在这个国家手上沾满了鲜血 It's my country too, and right now it has blood on its hands.
抱歉 我有朋友现在就在那边 Sorry, I just have friends who are over there right now.
我不是指军队 我说的是那些把他们送上战场的白痴 I'm not talking about the troops, I'm talking about the moron sending them to war.
你是说 我们的首席指挥官吗 对 随你怎么称呼他做的终归是错事 - You mean our commander in chief? -Yeah. Whatever you wanna call him, he's still wrong.
你怎么知道他做错了 你只不过是在猛烈抨击而已 How do you know he's wrong? You're just lashing out.
不 我没有抨击 我只是对政府有疑问 No, I'm not lashing out. I'm questioning our government.
我们在这座城里生活 这也是我们建国的根本 That's what we do in this country. That's the principle that we're founded on.
好 那不如去质问言论自由的传媒们 Okay, but how about questioning the liberal media?
你只是听信了其中一方说的话 You're just buying into what one side is saying.
或许是吧 因为我这边是正义的 Maybe I am. Because my side is right.
看 多可笑 因为我才是正确的 - 哦 是么 - 对 See that's funny, because my side is right. -Oh really? -Yeah.
为什么聪明的保守党员总让我这么气愤 Why is it smart conservatives always make me so mad?
或许因为你不喜欢听取真相 Probably because you don't like hearing the truth.
你真是个令人沮丧的人 你知道吗 You're a very frustrating individual. You know that?
我怎样才能让你明白呢 我明白着的 谢谢 -How am I gonna make you see -I can see just fine, thank you.
这样会有帮助吗 That help at all?
没有 这个吻对我没什么用 尝起来挺左派的 Nope, that did nothing for me. Tastes like liberal.
不是我的菜 Not my thing.
Bush在没有法院允许的情况下让美国暗中监听国人电话 "Bush lets U.S. spy on callers without courts."
这种违背法律的行为遵守了宪法吗 Is it Constitutional to bypass the courts?
没有 宪法第四条修正案禁止没有逮捕令的搜查和扣押 No. The fourth amendment prevents searches and seizures without a warrant.
说得对 里欧 你的意思是 That's absolutely right, Rio. Which means,
你们的老大 美国的总统 带头违法了法律 your commander in chief, the President of the United States is breaking the law.
这就是你说的意思吗 里欧 That is what you're saying, isn't that, Rio?
我觉得这取决于 你在跟谁说话 Well, I guess it depends on ... who you talk to.
如果你是跟记者对话呢 And if you talk to journalists?
他们往往还没看到整个事件的真相 或者直接忽视掉就报道出来 Who, more often than not, don't have the full picture or neglect to report it.
你们只能看到真相的一部分 You've only got a partial truth.
FISA法庭 11名成员组成的外国情报监视法庭 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court 简称FISA 职能主要是逐案审批监听令
外国情报监听法 FISA法庭 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The FISA court.
我们尊重这个国家的第四条修正案 We do respect the fourth amendment in this country.
我们因为个人有嫌疑就签发的逮捕令 We issue warrants based on suspicion.
但是有时候 这些逮捕令需要秘密法院来签署 But sometimes these warrants have to be issued by secret courts.
我们不会让嫌疑犯知道我们在监视他们 So we don't alter the suspect we're spying on.
这些法庭审理程序都是机密的 这就意味着 惊讶 And these court proceedings are classified, which means, surprise...
它们不会出现在像《纽约时报》这类报纸上 They don't appear in papers such as the New York Times.
你看到我的测试结果了吗 看到了 全班第一 像你的作风 -Did you see my test scores? -Yes. Top of my class, like you.
这是哪 美国国家安全局 -Here? -NSA.
他们都很喜欢我 让我加入最棒的队伍 They liked me plenty. They put me on all the best teams.
苏联前线 沙漠风暴（海湾战争） 还有巨大的新的挑战 Soviet Frontier. Desert Storm. And then the big new challenge.
在茫茫的网络海洋中寻找那些恐怖分子 大海捞针 Find the terrorists in the Internet haystack. Helluva haystack.
每分钟都有成千上万兆字节的数据 要看完那些邮件至少需要400年 Hundreds of terabytes a minute. I mean, it would take you 400 years to read the e-mails.
而你需要分析这些数据 有时候你看到的越多 知道的越少 And then you have to analyze them. Sometimes the more you look, the less you see.
那你有什么发现 美丽的东西 在这个屋子里 -What'd you come up with? -Something beautiful. In house...
耗资300万美元 我编写了一个能分辨来自国内外信息的 for three million dollars. A program that could differentiate between foreign
程序 and domestic...
能加密我们不会去调查的一切目标 所以一切都还是隐秘的 Encrypt every single we weren't targeting, so that it would remain private.
精致又简单 这是我创造的最棒的东西 It was It was elegant, streamlined, streamlined. It was the best work I ever did.
坐吧 Take a seat.
它叫什么名字 What was it called?
矮的 要想成为出人头地 Ed, rising to the top in our world
对一个人来说是非常艰难的 can sometimes be hard on a man.
我是说 你以为你做出了努力 I mean, you think you're making strides.
你以为你采取了主动权 You think you're taking the initiative.
可能下一秒 他们就会将你的作品贬得一文不值 And then the next minute, they grind your work out of existence.
-他们没有用那个程序 为什么不用呢 -他们不会告诉你原因的 -They didn't use it? Why not? -Well, they never tell you why.
在9.11发生的两年后 Two years later, after 9/11,
我的一个朋友跟我说 他们在用的那个新的承包程序 a friend of mine tells me about this new contractor program they're using.
花了400万美金 却是我的那个程序的复刻版 Cost four billion dollars to deploy; modeled after mine.
但是没有过滤器 不会自动化 But with no filters, no automation.
它吞噬一切 他们彻底沦陷在数据中 它他妈就是个灾难 Ingested everything. They were drowning in data. It was a fucking disaster.
那肯定还是有更大的用处吧 我认为 But there must have been some bigger picture, right? I mean,
毕竟花这么多钱 他们也不是傻子 spending that kind of money. They're not stupid.
你认为在情报界 情报的重要性高于一切 You would think intelligence would count for something in the intelligence business.
但是你想知道它的真面目吗 是什么在设定议程 But you want to know what it really is? What really sets the agenda?
军事工业幸福管理 Military industrial happiness management.
你把国会的国库打开 让钱流向承包商 You keep the coffers open in Congress, you keep the money flowing to the contractors.
效率 结果 都抛在脑后 Efficiency, results, they go out the window.
更别说 Not to mention ...
-算了 你上课要迟到了 -好的 谢谢 -Well, you're late for class. -Okay, thank you.
-我可以拿另一个吗 -当然可以 Oh, can I take another one? -Sure.
你有跟其他人说过这些吗 Did you ever say anything to anybody?
有啊 我去去了一趟法务部 递交了投诉 Yeah, I went to legal. We filed complaints.
然后我就坐在这 盘着腿 教你人生的道理 Now here I am, tucked away, teaching you.
也许在长远看来 这件事更重要 你会变得更好 Maybe that's more important in the long run. You're getting better.
这是校园里我最爱的地方 My favorite spot on campus.
你会打猎吗 艾德 Do you hunt, Ed?
我偶尔跟我爸玩过飞镖射击 但没有打过猎 Uh, just some skeet shooting with my dad a few times, but I never went hunting.
找一天我们一起去吧 那太好了 -We'll go one day. -That'd be great.
欧布莱恩老师 我能问你个问题吗 -叫我寇宾就好 -Mr. O'Brien, can I ask you a question? -How about just calling me Corbin?
好的 谢谢 寇宾 Okay. Thank you, sir. Corbin.
我之前跟汉克福瑞斯特聊过 我想知道 I was talking with Hank Forrester, and I wanted to know
我们的信号情报程序都是有具体目标的吗 are all of our SIGINT programs specifically targeted?
当然了 如果他们不好 为什么要用呢 Of course. What good would they be if they weren't?
我不明白 Yeah, I don't know.
你有女朋友吗 艾德 还不算是 -Do you have a girlfriend, Ed? -Uh, nothing serious.
她叫什么 林赛 -What's her name? -Lindsay.
她会和你一起去吗 She going with you?
不 我不想让她处于危险之中 No, I wouldn't want to put her in any danger.
你不必如此 我们又不会把你派到中东去 Well, you don't have to. We're not sending you to the Middle East.
老师 我是班里最优秀的学生 这对你来说没有什么价值吗 Sir, I'm your best student. Doesn't that count for something?
20年之内 伊拉克会成为地狱 但没人在意 In 20 years, Iraq'll be a hellhole nobody cares about.
恐怖主义只是短期的威胁 Terrorism's a short-term threat.
真正的威胁来自中国 俄罗斯 伊朗 The real threats will come from China, Russia, Iran.
他们以结构化查询语言和恶意软件的形式来攻击我们 And they'll come as SQL injections and malware.
少了有你这样头脑的人 这个国家将会在网络空间里分崩离析 Without minds like yours, this country will be torn apart in cyberspace.
我不会冒着失去你们的风险 将你们置身于荒谬的沙油之争 I don't wanna risk losing you for some horse shit war over sand and oil.
老师 你这么说让我很震惊 Sir, I'm surprised to hear you say that.
你要知道 政客并非都是爱国者 You don't have to agree with your politicians to be a patriot.
老师 那你要把我派到哪去 花点时间 感受风景吧 -Sir, where are you sending me? -Take a moment. Enjoy the view.
2013年6月4日 星期二 香港
这是劳拉 This is Laura.
你好 你好 很高兴认识你 -Hello. -Hello, nice to meet you.
我是《卫报》的伊凡麦卡斯奇 很高兴认识你 我也是 Ewen MacAskill from the Guardian. It's nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you, too.
-如果你不介意的话 我想记录一些 -额 Um, if you don't mind, I'd like to record some... -Ah.
把手机放进微波炉 我能问下这是为什么吗 -Cell phones go in the microwave. -Dare I ask why?
问完问题我们会告诉你的 We'll get to that after you ask your questions.
在开始采访之前 我想要多了解你一点 Before we get on to the story, I need to know more about you.
比如 你的事业 粗略了解了一下 就觉得与众不同 但《卫报》讲求证据 Like, your career, by a glance account, is very varied, but the Guardian needs evidence ...
好的 这是我去友好国家的外交护照 Yeah, this is my diplomatic passport for friendly countries.
我到别的地方的旅游护照 你可以检查签证盖章 My tourist passports for everywhere else. You can check the visa stamps.
国安局给的博思艾伦咨询公司的证件 中情局给的戴尔公司的证件 My NSA badge with Booz Allen. My CIA badge with Dell.
这是国防情报部的导师证件 And this is my DIA instructor's badge.
这是我和麦克海登的照片 This is a photo of me with Michael Hayden,
他是国安局和中情局的前任局长 the former head of the NSA and the CIA.
你什么时候可以公示于众 When can you publish?
我可以坐下说话吗 请坐 -OK, um, do you mind if I sit down? -No, please.
格兰说 你想要曝光你的身份 那美国政府将会如何应对呢 Glenn says, you want to tell people your identity How do you think your government's going to react?
他们肯定要以间谍法指控我 Well, they'll charge me under the espionage act.
并且说我将国土安全置于危难之中 And they'll say I endangered national security.
他们会将我妖魔化 还有我的朋友和家人 They'll demonize me, and my friends and family.
然后他们会把我关进监狱 这是最好的情况了 And they'll throw me in jail. That's the best case scenario.
那最坏的呢 And the worst?
如果我没有任何媒体作掩护的话 我会被中情局逮捕 Well, if I don't have any media cover, then I'll be rendered by the CIA
然后用被在法律之外的方式审讯 and interrogated outside of the law.
- 他们在这条街上就有一个分局 - 那他们怎么知道你的所言所行 -They have a station right up the street. -But how would they know what you did?
因为我在我的日志中留下了数字足迹 他们会查出来的 Because I left a digital footprint in my logs. So they'll figure it out.
我不想被通缉 我很清楚他们会对我的同事做出什么样的事情来 I did not want a manhunt. I know what they would do to my colleagues.
听着 麦卡斯奇先生 对我来说 这与金钱或者别的任何事都无关 Look, Mr. MacAskill, this is not about money or anything for me.
没有任何隐瞒 我只想把这些数据 There's no hidden agenda. I just wanted to get this data
给像你这样的资深记者 to established journalists like yourselves
然后你可以将它公诸世界 那样人们就可以做出决定 so that you can present it to the world, and the people can decide.
到底是我错了 Either I'm wrong
还是政府做的某些事情 才是真的错了 or there's something going on inside the government, that's really wrong.
所以 So...
这里面有你们英国情报组织-国家通信总局的一切东西 This one is everything I have on your British intelligence agency, the GCHQ.
已经被加密了 The encryption key will follow.
你肯定会让《卫报》的技术人员仔细查看的 这里面有很多料 You're gonna want your technical people at the Guardian to look through that thoroughly. There's a lot of stuff there.
只要他们调查一下 就会知道我都做了什么 Listen, they're gonna investigate, and they're gonna figure out what I've done.
然后他们会回来找我的 既然我们已经有了联系 And then they're gonna come for me. And now that we've made contact,
他们也会来找你的 they're gonna come for all of you, too.
你介意我去看一下微波炉吗 Do you mind if I go look in the microwave?
《卫报》 美国 纽约办公室
伊凡 我和斯图尔特在打电话 你好 伊凡 -Ewen, I'm on with Stuart. -How are you, Ewen?
你好 斯图尔特 听着 我要说件事 这儿的吉尼斯黑啤非常好喝 Hi, Stuart. Look I've got one thing to say. The Guinness here is great.
太棒了 绝对是爆炸性新闻 -很好 -Wonderful. -Absolutely the genuine article. -Good.
但是跟你想的完全不同 But shockingly different from what you expect.
现在我们要对付了律师 毫无疑问 还有白宫 So, now we have the lawyers to deal with and no doubt the White House.
他们说让我们继续 很好 -I got the go ahead. -That's great.
开始吧 要我们有很多要说的 而且有些挺难懂的 - Good, let's get started. We have a lot to go through here and it's not easy reading.
XKeyscore 是美国国家安全局使用的用于搜索和分析外国互联网数据的秘密计算机系统
我们可以从展示XKeyscore开始 We can start by showing him XKeyscore.
好主意 你能再把它拿出来展示一下吗 好的 -Good idea. Can you bring it up again and walk us through it? -Yeah.
我们现在是打扰到他了吗 他是在保护他的密码 -Do we all get under there now? -He's protecting his passwords.
好了 那么 Okay, so...
这个是介绍我加入中情局之后第一次调动到日内瓦 This was introduced during my first deployment at the CIA in Geneva.
XKeyscore 是用来干嘛的 XKeyscore. What does that do?
它就像是一个搜索界面 It's like a search interface.
用来搜索什么东西 你想要的任何东西 -What does it search for? -Anything you want.
你在日内瓦的任务是什么 What was your assignment in Geneva?
我在联合国的外交掩护下 Well, I was assigned with diplomatic cover to the U.N. mission to
维护中情局的计算机网络安全 maintain the CIA's computer security network.
我当了近2年的中情局户外工作人员 I spent almost two years around CIA field officers.
抱歉 先生 我不懂 I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand.
- 史尔曼说你黑进了人力资源网站 - 是的 我的工作是查漏补缺 - Sherman says you hacked the Human Resources site. - Yeah, it's my job to find flaws.
人力资源网站的安全不是你的工作 你管的太宽了 The security of the HR site is not your problem. You went outside the wheelhouse.
好吧 我先声明一下 我没有黑进去 Okay, but just to clarify, I did not hack.
我只是展示一下它是可以被黑的 是你让我找到解决办法的 I showed that it could be hacked. You told me to find a patch.
你有书面申请吗 我有 -Do you have that in writing? -Yes, I do.
记得嘛 我有给你发过概念证明的 Remember, I sent you the proof of concept.
不管你做了什么 斯诺登 是对是错 Doesn't matter what you did, Snowden, right or wrong
这都应该是别人的工作 而不是你的 you need to let these things be someone else's problem.
- 他在你档案里写了个差评 - 什么 - He's also put a derog in your file. - Excuse me?
记住你的教训 Let that be a lesson
我不希望他再次因为艾德斯诺登出状况而给我打电话 行吗 I don't want him calling me again about another Ed Snowden moment. Okay?
今天剩下的时间就轻松一点吧 Why don't you take it easy the rest of the day
去整理下那堆东西 Go work on the scrubbing pile?
-看起来情况不太好 -是的 -That didn't look like it went well. -Uh hey man, uh yeah
我做好了本职工作却得到了差评 No, I just got a derog for doing my job.
这就是政治 恐惧文化又一次赢了 Politics, man. Culture of fear wins again.
我在这根本实现不了我的价值 I can't get anything done here.
- 嗯 上次我们谈的那个想法怎么样了 - 我还在努力中 - Hey um, what about that idea that we've been talking about? - I'm workin' on it.
我在等《国会山报》的朋友给我回电话 I'm waiting for a callback from our friend at The Hill.
科宾 你给科宾 打电话了吗 你觉得他能帮得上忙吗 Corbin? You called Corbin? Do you think he could do something?
等着看吧 也许有在我的监管范围内的外勤小组呢 We'll see. Maybe some limited field ops under my supervision.
- 太好了 能这样真的太好了 我很乐意 - 别激动 艾德 -Yes, that would be amazing, I would love... - Easy, Ed.
- 我要去米兰见一个牧师 晚点聊 - 好的 谢谢 - I've gotta see a cleric in Milan. We'll talk after. - Okay. Thank you.
- 妈的 中情局一点痕迹也不想留 - 有什么能帮你吗 - Damn, CIA does not like to leave a trace, huh? - Can I help you?
难道你都不好奇查看一下吗 Ever been curious to check one out?
看看你现在要在历史上抹去什么疯狂的杀人任务 See what crazy ass covert kill mission you might be erasing from history?
不好意思 你是哪个局的 查无此局 -I'm sorry, who are you with? -No Such Agency.
我叫加布里尔索尔 我是巫师和术士协会的首脑 I'm Gabriel Sol. I'm the 50 pound brain from the council of wizards and warlocks.
-什么 -给我布切斯特的军事或政治价值信息 哥们 -Excuse me? -Give me your intel for Bucharest, dude.
除非这儿还有另外一个戴夫切奇亚特 Oh. Unless there's another Dave Churchyard.
不 就是我 走这边 No, that's me. Right this way.
我在外面等你 如果你想留在这里也可以 -I'll be right outside. -You stay if you want.
不了 我没有使用国安局系统的权限 Uh no, I don't have authorization to use NSA programs.
如果你是Bucharest的信使 If you're the messenger to Bucharest
你必须有PRIVAC许可才能看到完整版的军事或政治价值信息 不是吗 you must have PRIVAC clearance to see the finished intel, yes?
是的 Yeah.
你看到这些数据是如何组合在一起的 也没什么区别 So what difference does it make if you see how it's put together.
看你的了 It's up to you, man.
你只是给我名字吗 是啊 比名字多一点点 -You're giving me just names? -Aye, a lot more than names.
我会给你还有特工部门的绅士们提供 What I will be providing you and the fine gentlemen of the Secret Service,
从2月3日起所有对总统进行威胁话语的名单 is a list of every threat about the president since February 3rd.
还有所有威胁者的资料 And a profile of every threat maker.
这些是 现有目标吗 And these are, like, existing targets?
99%都是来自批量收集程序 99% are gonna come from the bulk collection program, so...
上游计划 肌肉计划 颞颥计划 棱镜计划 棱镜计划 -Upstream, Muscular, Tempora, PRISM. -PRISM?
你还像个白雪公主那么单纯啊 You got a little Snow White in you.
你这样让我觉得我就是那个给你毒苹果的女巫 Almost makes me feel like the witch bringing you a poison apple.
证据甲 Okland市民贾斯汀宾思琪在论坛上发表了一句话 Exhibit A: Oakland resident Justin Pinsky posted on a message board:
罗马尼亚人传说有处决领导者的历史 "Romania has a storied history of executing their leaders,
他们就不能帮个忙把Bush给干掉吗 couldn't they do us a solid and take out Bush?"
这个看起来挺有趣的 来自Gchat（聊天软件） Oh, this looks juicy. It's from a Gchat.
我要攻击你们的布什总统 [I'm going to attack your bush...]
用你们见过的最大的蟒蛇 "... With the biggest python, you've ever seen."
这怎么可能 How is this all possible?
关键词筛选 攻击 干掉Bush Um, keyword selectors. "attack", "take out bush".
就好像是谷歌搜索一样 不只是搜索 So think of it as a Google search, except instead of searching
人们公开的信息 我们还在监控他们没有公开的 only what people make public , we're also looking at everything they don't, so
邮件 对话 短信 任何东西 是 但都是哪些人的 E-mail, chats, SMS. Whatever. -Yes, but which people?
整个国家的人 白雪公主 The whole kingdom, Snow White.
他是什么大使来着 来自世界贸易组织 Which ambassador is he again? De la Hoya -De la Hoya, the World Trade Organization.
所以欧布莱恩要来找你 So, O'Brien came through for ya.
他觉得你的聪明才智被浪费了 你准备好要做点什么了吗 He agrees your talents are being wasted. You ready for a little action?
真的吗 你指在这 是的 Really? You mean right here? -Yeah.
看到那个穿粉色套装的女士吗 You see the woman in the pink number?
贷款负责人Suisse 她有一个银行家男朋友 Credit Suisse. JP Morgan's on her arm.
掌管着德意志银行 在这里有一万多个银行家 Grandma's with Deutsche Bank. 10,000 bankers in this town...
你需要做的事情只有一件 all you need to turn is one.
去社交 去认识其中一部分 最好是那些坐拥着 Socialize. Meet a few. Preferably one sitting on a
巨额的沙特的黑钱并且正在资助本拉登的人 pile of dirty Saudi money that's funding Bin Laden.
在教堂的庭院 这个人要么是个傻子要么是个间谍 Churchyard. -This man is either a fool or a spy.
诺不理你先生 想问你要一张名片 Mr. Nembrini? asks you, business card please.
一个外交官 哇 我希望我能像你一样懂得社交 An ambassador. Wow. I wish I had your schmoozing skills.
没关系 你有我 你有认识什么银行家吗 That's why you have me. -Don't know any banker, do you?
银行家 你是要完成什么任务吗 Bankers? Are you on some kind of assignment or something?
我并不擅长建立关系 I'm relationship cultivating, and not well.
让我来帮你吧 不 我是认真的 Let me help. -No, this is serious.
我知道这是认真的 相信我 I know it's serious. Trust me.
顺利吗 不 没有收获 Any luck? -No. No bites.
这事情有什么敲门不 Is there some kinda trick to it?
关键是要找到关键点 It's all about finding the pressure point.
其他所有事情最多只能起到推进作用 Everything else is just pushin' em.
好像有人在叫你过去 Looks like you're being summoned.
麦万 能打断一下吗 这是我的男朋友戴夫 Marwan, may I interrupt? This is my boyfriend Dave.
你好戴夫 很高兴认识你 很高兴认识你 Hello, Dave. Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you.
麦万在蒙福工作 我们刚刚在讨论 Marwan works at Monfort. We were talking
上星期过后他能够给你一些建议 and after last week he may be able to give you some tips.
这位先生 稍后里面见 上周 Gentlemen, I'll see you inside -Last week?
他是一个大使 对我们而言这意味着巨额的资金 He's embarrassed. It was a lot of money for us.
台面贸易是一个冒险的行为 你不应该对此觉得不情愿 Day trading is a perilous sport.You shouldn't be ashamed of it.
是的 我去拿点食物 等会里面见 Yeah. I'm gonna grab some food. See you guys inside?
好的 Sure.
你有一个相当可爱的女友 谢谢你的夸奖 You have a lovely girlfriend. -Thank you so much.
你知道我是搞IT的 所以我意识到我有可能会把市场搞砸 You know I work in IT, and so I just figured I could crack the market
就好比一个糟糕的关系网 like a weak network.
可以告诉我你到底损失了多少吗 May I ask how precipitous were your losses?
我告诉林赛的是20000 但是我跟你讲 Well, I told Lindsay it was 20,000, but between you and me
接近45000 我尝试过去补救 但 it was closer to 45. I tried to recoup, but
那是一个错误 但现在没有任何理由 我觉得自己正越来越失控 that was a mistake, and now without any real grounding, I feel like I'm just sliding out of control.
这种情况我见过很多次 我很乐意帮助你 I've seen it many times and I'm always happy to help a man break a bad habit before it gets going.
谢谢 相当感激 Well, thank you, I really appreciate it.
这是我见过最清白的巴基斯坦人 It's the cleanest Pakistani I've ever seen.
跟政府或者ISI没有任何直接瓜葛 没有可疑的家庭背景 You got no first degree ties to government or ISI. No shady family.
间接联系无法追踪 Second degree contacts are off the charts
不过也正因为这样 每个在中东混迹的人都有6位数以上的收入 but that's everyone in the Middle East with a six-figure income.
我们不是要查他们的脏钱 我们是要找到切入点 It's not dirt that we need necessarily. It's a pressure point.
某些私人的 一些弱点 我们能不能看看他的家庭 Something intimate. Some kind of weakness. Can we look through his family?
他老婆的妹妹怎样 How about his sister-in-law?
那是什么 她给某人发送的视频吗 不 这个是实时的 What is that? Is that some video that she sent somebody? -No, this is live.
不在巴黎 你指的"实时"是什么意思 Out of Paris. -What do you mean "live"?
视觉神经 是一种镜头及麦克风的激活程序 Optic Nerve. It's camera and mic activation.
我希望这是我们的功劳 但实际上这程式是英国人写的 I wish we could take credit, but the Brits wrote it.
- 激活程序 - 对的 他的手提电脑是闲置的 - Activation? - Yeah, her laptop's off.
有可能是她忘记关了 Or was. She just forgot to close it
当然她现在怎样 Of course, how would she now?
这程序相当狡猾 甚至没有把网络摄像头的灯打开 The shit is so sly the webcam light doesn't even turn on.
我一直很好奇那下面的都是什么 I've always wondered what was under those.
我们来查查他在日内瓦的家庭成员吧 Let's stick to family in Geneva. Alright?
好的 白雪公主 Okay, Snow White.
嗯 在国际学院的15岁女儿 Uh 15-year-old daughter at the International School.
- 脸书 可以吗 - 兄弟 脸书是我的强项 - Facebook? Is that possible? - Dude, Facebook is my bitch.
真的吗 如果她和自己的父母作对 Seriously? If she fights with her parents...
别担心 我知道这里面所有的破解方法 Don't worry. I know all the hooks for this kinda fishing.
名称调查 邮件 关键字 从里面找一切我们想要的东西 Query name? E-mail, keyword, whatever selectee we want.
进行调查的原因 我正在写 And justification is where I write.
换句话来说 我们把她爸爸的信息建立成一份中情局档案 In other words, turning her daddy into a CIA informant.
- 那岂不是 - 就是那样 兄弟 - That's it? -That's it, bro.
你不需要先取得FISA的许可令吗 You don't have to get a FISA court order?
Section 702是一项FISA条文 旨在协助获取美国境外的非美籍人士的情报信息
不 在这里并不需要 XKeyscore受到702号法案保障 那意味着不需要授权 No, not here. XKeyscore's under 702 authority, which means no warrants.
好 但是这只美国政府需要调查的人 我们也不需要先获取许可令吗 Okay, but U.S. targets, then you'd have to get the court order?
你指FISA吗 要的 但那只是个不经审核就会直接给你下批的狗屁组织 You mean FISA? Yeah, that's just a big-ass rubber stamp, dude.
我的意思是 FISA的审判员都是由首席法官任命的 就像是 你懂得 I mean, FISA judges are all appointed by the chief justice, who's like, you know...
关系到国家安全 就成了黑武士了 消灭一切 Darth Vader when it comes to national security. Boom.
还有这男孩 属于第三级关系网 是 And the boy, third base, is...
纳迪姆 好的 ... Nadim. Okay.
他18岁 萨尔玛说她打算要嫁给他 但是她害怕自己父母的反对 He's 18. Salmasays she wants to marry him. But she's scared of her parents.
但是萨尔玛并不知道纳迪姆还有另外一个名字叫 And what she does not know is that his other name is...
尼古拉斯 Nicolas.
以及他最近正准备和杰拉德林还有朱莉约炮 And he's currently banging Geraldine and Julie.
还有 And...
他和她的土耳其妈妈现在是非法居留状态 He and his Turkish mother are here illegally.
就这样 That's it.
我们在这干什么 你真的令我相当高兴 What are we doing here? -You're making people very happy.
麦万先生的银行掌握着巨额的沙特黑钱以及俄罗斯亿万富翁资源 Mr. Marwan's bank handles serious Saudi money and a whole bunch of Russian billionaires.
那关于基地组织的钱呢 有没有什么承诺 What about any al Qaeda money? Anything promising?
艾德 我快要升职了 我不会忘记你的 Ed, I'm up for a promotion soon; I will not forget my friends.
谢谢 这一切都来得太快了 我只是给了你一些基本信息 Thank you. This is all going kinda fast. I just sent some initial background.
他在这 你好麦万 There he is. The man. -Hello, Marwan.
戴夫 见到你真高兴 见到你我也很高兴 Dave. How wonderful to see you. -Good to see you too.
麦万我大概算了一下 你在后面那偷偷摸摸地有半小时了 I counting, Marwan. You snuck in an extra half hour back there.
我想她只是在听一个老人家在想她诉苦而已 I'm afraid she was merely listening to an old man's woes.
嗯 我懂的 最近怎样 麦万 Oh, I see. -How are you, Marwan?
我必须跟你说 戴夫 自从我认识了你 I must tell you, Dave, since we met
我的生活某种程度上被打乱了 my life has got somewhat topsy-turvey.
我很抱歉 I'm sorry to hear that.
但你的同事查尔斯很好心地帮助了我 But your colleague Charles has graciously offered his help.
所以我欠了你们俩一个很大的人情 -能不能告诉我发生了什么 So I owe him and you a great deal. -Can I ask what happened?
我女儿有一个 My daughter had a ...
麦万的女儿服用了过多的安眠药 她现在没事了 Marwan's daughter took too many sleeping pills. She's alright.
这是因为她的男朋友最近被驱逐出境了 It had something to do with her boyfriend, who was recently deported.
我们尝试给他申请一个新的签证 We're trying to secure a visa for him.
但尽管如此 我怕萨尔玛会 Even so, I'm afraid that Salma will...
很抱歉 我不会因为这件事情打扰你的 I'm sorry. I won't trouble you with such matters.
尽管说好了 家庭为重 Hey. Talk as much as you want. Alright? Family comes first.
我的美女在哪里 Where is my beauty?
我平时不是这样子的 I'm never like this.
你坐下来 好吧 坐好 You sit down, huh? Just sit tight.
这是发生了什么事 What the fuck's going on?
我只是非常有效地利用你提供的信息情报在工作 I've been acting quickly and effectively on very good signals intelligence you provided.
那如果她女儿真的死了呢 我们依然可以利用这个事件 And if his daughter had died? -We could've used that, too.
你是认真的吗 就是为了升职吗 Are you serious? What, in the name of a promotion?
麦万现在不能离开他的家庭 Marwan can't be away from his family right now.
所以到了早上 当他面临要入狱 我们会跟他进行一单交易 So in the morning, when he's facing jail, we're gonna offer him a deal.
而他并不会拒绝 入狱 因为什么 And he won't turn it down. Jail? For what?
醉驾 好了 现在我希望你可以帮我报警 告诉警察你看到一辆奔驰 Drunk driving. Now, I want you to call the police. Tell em you saw a Mercedes...
不 他现在没有在开车 你看他 他打算自杀 No, he's not driving right now. Look at him, he'll kill himself.
好吧 我来打 等等 Okay. I'll call em. -Hey.
他没有在开车 He's not driving.
你用的国安局程序都有授权吗 如果有的话你告诉我 Remind me, are you authorized on any of the NSA programs you use?
所以我们都正在做一些过界的事情 对吧 So we're both doin' a little fucked up shit here, uh?
看好你自己 艾德 我会告诉他你究竟是谁 Watch yourself, Ed. -I will tell him who you are.
如果你打算披露一个卧底官员的身份 那么你面临的指控将会比麦万严重得多 You reveal the identity of an undercover officer, you're going to jail for a lot longer than Marwan.
嗨 不好意思 回来晚了 Hey. -Sorry I'm so late.
工作怎样了 How was work?
那个 It was...
还好 alright.
我只能睡3小时了 我的飞机在7点钟 I have to wake up in like, three hours. My flight's at seven.
那得赶快了 Better be quick, then.
我会给我们的情报以及法律执行机关 I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies
提供追踪和抓获恐怖分子的工具 with tools they need to track and take out the terrorists
在不违反宪法以及自由平等的前提下 without undermining our Constitution and our freedom.
这意味着美国民众不会再受到非法窃听 That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens.
执法人员不会为了方便执法而越权 No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient.
嗨 宝贝 嗨 Hey hon. -Hey.
伦敦之旅怎么样了 What happened to the London trip?
嗯 有状况我不去了 Uh, turns out I'm not going.
现在怎么了 谁领先 What's going on? Who's winning?
现在还太早了 Still early.
奥巴马领先 67%比32% 新世纪要来了 Obama ahead 67% to 32%. -Come on, big ears.
看看佛罗里达那边怎样 ...check out Florida.
我的天 他要赢了 Holy shit, he's gonna win it.
佛罗里达 是的 Florida? -Yeah!
那很大 -相当大 That's big. -It's huge.
你可以假装若无其事 但我知道你是全力支持他的 You can act nonchalant, but I know you are starting to root for him.
我知道你一直默默支持自由党 也许我也起到了推波助澜的作用 I've been watching your inner liberal grow. Which I will take a modest percentage of the credit for.
是你的功劳没错 And you deserve it.
这是什么 What is this?
这是什么 把它留在那儿吧 Oh, yeah, that. Just leave that there.
俄罗斯黑客 特工什么的说他们现在可以激活网络摄像头 Russian hackers. Agency says they can activate webcams now.
那很吓人 是的 这让我很不安 That's creepy -Yeah, it's bothering me.
没关系 不是什么大问题 你不应该让自己感到不安 不是什么大问题 Whatever. It's not a big deal. You shouldn't even bother you. -It's not a big deal?
某人可能现在正在看着你 What, that someone could be watching you right now?
没关系 我没有任何要隐藏的事情 No, I'm not hiding anything.
这话简直胡说八道 哪一句 没有任何要隐藏的事情 That's such a bullshit line. -What is? -Nothing to hide.
我没有 -任何人都有 I don't. -Everyone does.
好吧 那我有什么非得要隐藏的 Okay, well then what do I have to hide?
当我没说 不 我又什么是非得要隐藏的 Forget it. -No. What have I have to hide?
不 我们跳过这个话题吧 你好像总觉得我要隐藏什么 所以 No, let's just drop it -Apparently you think that I'm hiding something, so...
好吧 某一天你的电脑是开着的 我就知道你在浏览我们认识的那个网页 Okay, the other day your computer was open and I happened to notice you were on the site where we met
并且正在看其他男人 所以你看我的电脑了 ...and you're looking at other guys. -So you just were looking at my computer?
我根本不想提起这事情 但你问我你有什么事情需要隐藏的 I wouldn't have even brought this up. You asked me what do I have to hide,
那这就是你没有告诉我的某些事情 that's something you're not telling me.
这 这不是什么 我没有做任何事情 我没有和任何人见过面 Well, it's... it's not... I don't do anything. I don't meet any of those people.
你有一段时间离开了好几个星期 所以我就开始观察一下其他人的生活 You're gone for weeks at a time. So it's like I'm peering into other people's lives
我自己的生活没有什么变化 because my own is just temporarily on hold.
这听起来像是一个借口 这是真的 That sounds like an excuse. -It's the truth.
我应该告诉你的但是我没有 我很抱歉 I should've told you, and I didn't. Sorry.
但这不是什么大事 But it's not a big deal.
看着我 我不要其他人 Look at me. I don't want anyone else.
我不要其它的生活 好吧 I do not want any other life. Okay?
听着 Listen , uh...
我没有去伦敦因为我辞职了 I didn't go to London today because I resigned.
什么 个人价值观不同 原则上的问题 What? -Personal differences. A matter of principle.
可以告诉我细节吗 Can you tell me anything else?
你有反驳吗 -不 我从中情局辞职了 Did you get reposted? -No, I resigned from the CIA.
那意味着什么 我们应该怎么做 我不是道 So what does that mean? What do we do -I don't know.
我会找出解决方法的 但听着 I'll figure it out, but listen...
这是一件好事 相信我 This is a good thing. Trust me.
我会的 I do.
他要赢了 He's gonna win .
他比较好 He better.
CNN现在向大家宣布47岁的Barack Obama将成为美国下一任总统 CNN can now project that Barack Obama, 47 years old, will become the president of the United States.
每一个情报部门都需要知道 这个行政管理反对 Every agency and depratment should know that this administration stands on the side
对公众隐瞒信息 而是要让信息透明 not on those who seek to withhold information but those who seek to make it known.
詹尼斯是美国境内一家小英国报纸的网页编辑人 Janine is the website editor of a small, stateside office of a British newspaper
对抗世界上最强大的政府 up against the most powerful government in the world.
她不会被吓着 She won't be bullied.
我们需要建立这么一个形象 我们不会因为妥协于国家安全而停止出版 我们应该有选择权 We need to establish that we're not compromising national security by publishing. -We need to have alternatives.
听着艾德 事情的真相是 当白宫意识到了Janine泄露了 Listen, Ed. The real issue here is the day the White House are aware that Janine has
FISA许可令的最高机密的那一天起 leaked, top secret FISA court order,
任何事情都有可能会发生 他们会传唤卫报 因此 那扇门随时都有可能被人打破 进来把这一切都结束 anything could happen. They subpoena the Guardian. For that matter, they could break through that door any minute ending all of this.
我们没有时间了 我们要认真考虑是否把这些事情写到我们的网站上 我们没有选择 We are running out of time. We seriously have to think about doing this on our own website. We have no choice.
你不能够就这样往互联网上上传文章 You can't just start dumping articles on the Internet.
看看WikiLeaks 他们把自己的声誉都毁了 Look at WikiLeaks. It destroyed their credibility.
听着 艾德 你自己说的 如果这事情不妥善处理 全世界的人都会被蒙在鼓里 Look, Ed, you said it yourself, if this isn't done properly,the world isn't going to take notice.
你需要经验相当丰富的记者去把这个负责的故事去引导给大众 You need experienced journalists to lead the public through some very, very complicated stories.
我们就是经验丰富的记者 我觉得 We are experienced journalists. -My feeling...
之前有人打过电话进来吗 -从来没有 三个星期以来 Has anyone called here before? -Not once. Not in three weeks.
我应该接起来吗 告诉对方打错了 Well, shall I answer it? Tell them it's a wrong number.
是的 Yes?
不 我没有 No I don't.
好的 谢谢 Okay. Thank you.
问我是否需要来电特殊服务 Asked if I wanted turndown service and she said
门上的“请勿打扰”没有了 the "do not disturb" sign was off the door.
然后？ So?
我们是等着还是直接进去 Do we wait or go on our own?
开始我就说过 你们想怎么公开是你们的事 我相信你们 Look, I said from the beginning that how you publish is your business and I trust you.
我唯一的要求是你们要分析数据负起责任 The only thing I ask is you study the data and you be responsible.
不要有名字 不要有明细 特别是进行中的项目 不要公开 No names. No specifics. Anything ongoing that's critical, you don't release.
仅仅关注在大规模监视上，让人们做决定 Just stick to the issue of mass surveillance, and let the people decide.
我们保证可以做到，但那不是问题，我们必须要问... You have our word on that, but that's not the question. We have to ask...
现在白宫正安排詹尼斯 和情报机构的电话会议 Right now the White House is arranging a conference call between Janine and the intelligence services.
就只有几个小时了，至少我们可以等一下 Now that's gonna happen in a few hours. Let's at least wait for that.
看他们会对她怎么说 See what they say to her.
那我们就暂停一下吧 I say we pause a moment.
对 我们应该等会结束后再回到这里 Yeah, I think we should reassemble in this room after the call takes place.
大约半夜 纽约中午之前 -好的 So that's around midnight; be noon in New York. -Alright.
同时我会再过一遍棱镜计划的报道 I'll take another pass at the PRISM story in the meantime.
如果你要找我们，我们都在自己的客房里 We'll be in our hotel room if you need us, okay?
请问 你介意能稍微停一下吗 就一会儿 You mind, maybe we take a break from that? For a second.
好的 抱歉 Yes, sorry.
你想看一下吗 也许能让你好一点 现在没有在录 只是待机 You wanna take a look? Might make you feel better. It's not recording, just on standby.
你什么时候开始有这毛病的 不愿意被拍照？ When did this start for you? Not wanting your photo taken?
呃 大约在日本的时候 感觉每次被镜头指着 都像是... Uh, probably in Japan. Remember every time a camera pointed at me, it was...
不能呼吸 -怎么会这样？ I couldn't breathe. -Why was that?
可能是因为我通过摄像头看其他人太久了吧 I probably spent too much time looking at other people through cameras.
日本是你国安局工作哦的第一站，对吧？ Japan was your first NSA job, right?
是的，在戴尔做外包商，我得到了很大的权限 Yeah, well as a contractor; Dell. I had a lot of access.
日内瓦以后你为什么又回去了 Why'd you go back after Geneva?
因为钱 还有我想住在日本 Because of the money, and because I wanted to live in Japan.
再就是因为奥巴马，我觉他能让事情变好。 And because of Obama, actually. You know, I thought things were gonna get better with him.
但是我我错了 I was wrong.
横田空军基地 东京 2009
那里是什么样的 What was it like there?
嗯 我工作的第一部分 是建立一个全天候的备份系统 Well, the first part of my day, I was building this round-the-clock backup system
叫做“史诗避难所” called Epic Shelter.
这样如果遇到某些灾难 比如说 恐怖分子烧毁了国安局 So if there was some catastrophe, say uh, terrorists burn down every embassy
在中东的每一处设施，这个系统会确保 and NSA post in the the Middle East, this program would ensure
我们不会丢失任何数据 we wouldn't lose any of that data.
但是当访客到访的时候 我必须把它放到一边 But then I would have to put it aside when visitors would show.
国安局希望唬住日本人 展现我们的能力 NSA wanted to impress the Japanese. Show them our reach.
他们喜欢无人机实时监控 They loved the live drone feeds.
这是现在的巴基斯坦 This is Pakistan right now.
但是他们却对帮我们 They were not as thrilled to learn that we wanted them to help us
监控日本国民没有兴趣 spy on the Japanese population.
他们说这有违日本法律 They said it was against their laws.
当然 我们还是触及了整个国家 Of course, we tapped the entire country anyway.
在取得了他们的通讯系统以后 我们并没有停止 And we didn't stop there. Once we owned their communication systems
开始入侵他们的物理设施 started going after the physical infrastructure.
我们把间谍程序植入电网 水坝 医院 We'd slipped these little sleeper programs into power grids, dams, hospitals.
如果有一天日本不再是盟友了 And the idea was if the day came when Japan was no longer an ally
他们将被激活 it'd be lights out.
而且不光是日本，我们计划在墨西哥 And it wasn't just the Japanese. We were planting malware in Mexico,
德国 巴西 奥地利部署木马 Germany, Brazil, Austria.
在中国部署我可以理解 或者俄罗斯 伊朗 委内瑞拉都可以 I mean, China I can understand. Or Russia or Iran. Venezuela, okay.
但是 奥地利？ But, Austria?
同时你还被要求追踪大多数的国家领导人和行业巨头 You're also being ordered to follow most world leaders and heads of industry.
追踪交易细节 性丑闻 外交电报 You know, you're tracking trade deals, sex scandals, diplomatic cables
来让美国在G8的谈判中取得优势 to give the U.S. an advantage in negotiations at the G8
或者影响巴西的石油公司 or leverage over Brazilian oil companies.
又或者赶走一些不守规则的第三世界国家领导人 Or helping to oust some third world leader who's not playing ball.
但最后的真相是 无论如何给自己找理由 And ultimately the truth sinks in that no matter what justification you're selling yourself
这都和恐怖主义无关 this is not about terrorism.
恐怖主义只是借口 Terrorism is the excuse.
这是为了经济利益和社会控制 This is about economic and social control.
而你真正保护的 只是政府的霸权 And the only thing you're really protecting is the supremacy of your government.
你当时有没有过去见记者 Did you think about going to journalists then?
没有 当时的我没有那么想 No, that wouldn't have occurred to me back then.
我认为体制会自我纠正 I thought that the system will self correct.
总统会践行他当选时的诺言 The President will keep the promise that got him elected.
当我开始阅读关于你和你的电影 That's actually when I started reading about you and your films.
在格兰的博客里提到你被困在机场数个小时？ It was in Glenn's blog, you were being detained in airports for hours?
37次 调查你自己国家的战争 37 times. Investigating your own country's wars.
这就是为什么我要回柏林去编辑 That's why I'm going back to Berlin to edit.
你可以相信我吗？ - 我相信 You can trust me with this -I do.
这一年来我谁也没有相信过 I haven't trusted anyone in years.
当我开始做恐怖主义监测的时候 出现了一个明显的变化 It was a welcome change when they put me on terrorism watch duty.
每天我工作的起点就是SIGINT Every day I'd go in and I'd get starting points for SIGINT.
通信监测 Signals intelligence.
奇怪的是他们大多数都是美国人 A lot of them were American, which felt strange
你只能不停的告诉自己 but you just keep reminding yourself
我可以组织脏弹袭击 拯救上千条性命 I could stop a dirty bomb attack and save thousands of lives.
但是 你不仅仅追踪坏人 还追踪他们的元数据 Thing is, you're not just following your bad guy targets, you're also following their metadata.
基本上来说 就是他们接触过的每一个电话号码 Which is basically, all the phone numbers that they're in touch with.
举个例子 你的目标是一个在贝鲁特外工作的腐败伊朗银行家 Let's say your target is a shady Iranian banker operating out of Beirut.
果然字幕组
好的 你正在查他的东西 但是你同样需要查他通过话的人 Okay, so, you're watching his stuff, but you're also watching all the people that he talks to.
包括一个他在布法罗做牙医的表亲 Including, you know, his cousin who's just some dentist living in Buffalo.
然后你会查他所有的联系人 And then you've gotta watch all of that guy's contacts.
然后经过三层关系查到他的酒保 And by the time you go a third hop out from the original target, you're watching this bartender
正在和他母亲聊肉毒杆菌 chat with her mother about Botox.
因为一个人的三层关系大约有 40个联系人 'Cause three hops from anyone with, say, 40 contacts...
你的名单就大约有250万人了 you're looking at a list of 2.5 million people.
那时你会对这个名单的大小感到冲击 And there's that moment when you're sitting there and the scale of it hits you.
国安局真的在追踪世界上的每台手机 The NSA is really tracking every cell phone in the world.
无论你是谁 你的每一天都会被记录在数据库中 No matter who you are, every day of your life, you're sitting in a database
等待着被查阅 just ready to be looked at.
我同意服务条款和隐私和政策
不仅仅是恐怖分子、国家或者企业 Not just terrorists or countries or corporations.
还有你 But you.
当时林赛和你在日本? Was Lindsay with you in Japan?
在日本的时候对我们来说很难 Japan was difficult for us.
我猜因为你没法谈你的工作 -是的 I guess you couldn't talk about your work. -No.
有一天晚上 There was this one night, uh,
快结束的时候我们计划第二天去爬富士山 towards the end, we were supposed to go climb Mt. Fuji the next day.
你打算发在推特上？ - 不 只是我自己看 Wow. Are you gonna post that on Twitter? -No. They're just for me.
你觉着怎么样？ -你该删了的 What do you think? -You should delete those.
这不是我想要的艺术批评 It's not quite the artistic critique I was going for.
对不起 我只是... 你不能把这样的东西存在硬盘里 I'm sorry, you just... you can't have stuff like that on your hard drive.
当然我可以 - 我请你能删掉它们吗? Yes I can. -Can you just please, I'm asking you, can you delete them?
又是俄罗斯黑客？ -不是 Russian hackers again? -No.
是因为我们？ Is it us?
这是机密 -我是目标吗？ It's classified. -Am I a target?
当然不是 -很明显正有人在看我的裸照 Of course not. -Clearly someone is looking at my nude portraits.
好吧 我不该提起来 这和国家安全有关 Okay, I shouldn't have brought it up. Alright, it's skews of national security.
我的胸还可以涉及国家安全 真是受宠若惊 你的工作应该比这个强吧 Well, I am flattered that my boobs are considered an issue of national security, but you're gonna have to do a lot better than that.
为了不让我们坐牢还是不聊这个了吧 I'd rather not talk about stuff that could land us in jail.
那那些胶带是为了什么 你的相机恐惧症？ So that's what the band-aids are about then? And your camera phobia.
因为工作？ 他们在监控我们？ Because of work? Are they watching us?
谁在监控 -没有人好吗 别说了 Who are they watching? -No one, okay. Let's just stop talking.
睡觉吧 明天早上去爬他妈的山 好吗 Let's go to bed, and wake up in the morning, go climb this fucking mountain. Okay?
当然我们不说了 -你什么意思 Of course we're not gonna talk about it. -What is that supposed to mean?
意思是我们什么也不说 It means that we don't talk about anything anymore.
你一天工作12小时 还带着情绪回家 You work 12 hour days, you come home depressed.
玩他妈的游戏 接着就睡了 You play fucking video games and then you fall asleep.
对 因为我工作累 我要自己承担这世界上最贵城市里的房子 Yeah, I'm tired because I have a job, that's what pays for this apartment in the most expensive city in the world.
是你叫我来的 我又没有工作签证 Which you asked me to come to, knowing that I did not have a work visa.
好 如果你有签证 你会放弃你成天除了吃就是睡的生活？ Okay, what if you had one, would you really give up your beautiful life of eating and sleeping and going out all the time?
你真的想要一份职业？ -你这样的职业？ You think you'd really want a career? -A career like yours?
除了悲哀什么也没有的工作？ 不 Where I'm miserable all the time? No.
这叫做责任心 That's called responsibility.
操他妈 Fuck this.
你知道什么 你根本不知道对别人的性命负责是什么样 You know what? You have no idea what it's like to be accountable for other people's lives
因为你住在童话里 没有人受伤 没有人承担后果 Because you live in a fairytale land where just, there are no consequences and no one ever gets hurt.
不 你才不会受伤 No. No you, you don't get hurt.
我他妈都崩溃了 -胡说八道 我什么都没干 I get fucking crushed. -Fucking bullshit, I've done nothing to you.
太对了 你什么都没干 That's exactly right, you've done nothing!
你不和我约会 你不对我笑 You don't hang out with me. You don't laugh with me.
你他妈的甚至都不碰我 You don't even fucking touch me anymore.
对不起 -别说了 Sorry. -Stop! No!
我们最终也没去成富士山 林赛没多久就离开了 We never made it to Mount Fuji. Lindsay left pretty soon after that.
我非常的孤独 过了三个月 我也离开了 我回到了马里兰 I was very lonely there. After three months, I left too, I went back to Maryland.
我发誓我要改变 我们又回到了一起 I promised her I'd change, and we moved back in together.
确保你的膝盖弯着 当你觉着可以稳住的时候 就完全展开 准备？ Make sure your knees stay bent, and then you can fully extend once you feel stable. Ready?
1 2 3 翻过来 用膝盖夹紧 1, 2, 3. All the way up. And you wanna clench between your knees.
开始燃脂了 完美 It'll burn, but it's a good burn. Perfect.
转起来 Twirl around.
完美 我的天 我真骄傲 Perfect! Oh my god, I'm so proud of you!
当你真心幸福的时候 很大程度上你还想要保持这种状态 When you're really happy, there's a large part of you that just wants to stay happy.
你开始想 什么会比它还重要 You start to think: What can be more important than this?
什么？ 我的天 真漂亮 What? Oh my god, it's so beautiful.
你知道 很多人一生都在追求幸福 You know, lots of people cruise happily through life.
为什么我不行 Why can't I?
一个人的效用功德，取决于他有否在能力范围内尽全力实践自己的理想志向 A MAN'S USEFULNESS DEPENDS UPON HIS LIVING UP TO HIS IDEALS
我又回到了CIA工作 I went back to work for the CIA.
我的职位是方案顾问 My official title was solutions consultant.
基本上是靠推销暴利硬件过活 Basically I was hawking overpriced hardware for a living.
我以为你辞职了 - 日内瓦以后全部都是外包的工作 But I thought you'd resigned. -It was all contract work after Geneva.
你知道 这是博思艾伦汉密尔顿或者戴尔与中情局，国安局，国防情报局的合作关系 You know, it's Booz Allen Hamilton or Dell in partnership with CIA, or NSA, DIA.
这是情报体系的“旋转门” It's the intelligence community's revolving door.
回到美国的生活怎样 How was it, being back in the States?
是 呃... It was, uh...
回家的感觉真好 It was really good to be home.
但是马里兰是对我来说一个转折的地方 But Maryland was where things started to turn for me.
每次我感觉要 Every time I felt like I was finally
放下这些不安的时候 总有疑问让我彻夜难眠 letting go of all the anxiety and all the questions that used to keep me up at night,
我想了解一些我不能忽视的事情 I'd learn something else and I just couldn't ignore it.
比如 国安局有三个高级别的官员 比利本尼, 艾德卢米思 和 科克韦伯 Like, there were these three high-level officials at the NSA. Bill Binney, Ed Loomis and Kirk Wiebe.
这些年他们记录了越权和滥用的投诉 They'd been filing complaints about abuses and overreach for years.
他们仅仅是记录了投诉 That's all they did, they just filed complaints.
联邦调查局就突袭了他们家 And the FBI raided their homes.
还有一个托马斯德瑞克 想其他三个人一样 And then there was Thomas Drake. Like the other three guys,
德瑞克想从内部改变 Drake was trying to change things from the inside.
但是没有效果 他找过媒体 But when nothing worked, he did go to the press.
然后他就被反间谍法打击了 整个情报社区都非常震惊 So they hit him with espionage act and we were shocked. The whole intel community.
你怎么认为这些起诉？ - 是用来传达一个威慑信息 Why do you think you were charged? -To send a chilling message.
对谁？ -对其他政府中的告密者 To whom? -To other whistleblowers. To others in the government.
不要说出来 不要说出政府的真相 No to speak out. Do not tell truth to power.
我们会制裁你 We'll hammer you.
在欧胡岛有国安局的行动中心有一个新项目 There's a new program being developed at the NSA's ops center on Oahu.
你将会对抗中国的网战部门 You'd be going up against Chinese cyber divisions.
你有兴趣吗 You interested?
不会像你现在赚钱那么多 Won't be the vast sums of money you're making now,
但是这是为了祖国的执行关键任务 我知道这对你很重要 but you'll be performing a critical service for your country, I know that's important to you.
你是说日内瓦的那种服务？ -那是个错误 You mean service like in Geneva? -That was a mistake.
不应该把你逼到那种程度 -不是你强迫我的 Shouldn't have pushed you into that. -You didn't push me into it.
是我自己要求出外勤 然后你给了我任务 我不会因为这个怪你 I asked for exposure to field ops, you gave it to me. I don't hold that against you.
那你有责怪我的东西？ Is there something you do hold against me?
你没告诉我我们正在全世界部下监控网络 柯宾 You didn't tell me we were running a Dragnet on the whole world, Corbin.
好枪法艾德 - 谢谢 Great shooting, Ed. -Thank you.
真不错 That's terrific.
我在部队的时候就很不错 So, one thing in the Army I was good at.
你没有没有想过 Ed 第二次世界大战已经过去了60年 You ever think, Ed, since the Second World War, it's been 60 years,
现在还没有爆发三战 and still no WW3.
为什么? 因为我们为了世界和平 来行使我们的力量 Why? Because we use our power, generally, for the good of the world.
为了繁荣和秩序 For prosperity. Order.
如果我们没有一个日夜工作的集中式情报中心 How can we defend ourselves against nuclear war, terror attacks,
如何抵御核战争 恐怖分子和网络战 cyber attacks without a centralized intel factory working around the world night and day?
那我们就可以记录上亿人的生活？ So we should catalog billions of people's lives?
大多数人已经公开记录了他们的生活 Most people already catalog their lives with public consumption.
他们只是有选择的记录部分生活 Well, they catalog part of their lives, and they do it by choice.
而我们没有选择 我们记录了一切 We're not giving them the choice. We're just taking everything.
大多数美国人不想要自由 他们想要安全 Most Americans don't want freedom. They want security.
这是个简单的交易 如果... 好孩子 好孩子 It's a simple bargain, if... Good girl. Good girl.
如果你想安全地玩最新的玩具的话 If you want to play with all the new toys and be safe
就要付出代价 you pay the price of admission.
但是人们甚至不知道他们在做这样的交易 But the people, they don't even know they've made that bargain.
战场在哪里 战士 Where's the battlefield, soldier?
到处都是 战争的第一规则是什么 Everywhere. -What's the first rule of battle?
不要暴露你的位置 Never reveal your position.
如果任何一个不应该知道的人知道了 如果国会的人知道了 And if one unauthorized person knew? If Congress knew?
- 那敌人呢 - 斯诺登先生 这就是现在世界的现状 So would the enemy. -That, Mr. Snowden, is the state of the world.
保密就是安全 安全就是胜利 Secrecy is security, and security is victory.
谢谢 先生 Thank you, sir.
我想让你见个人 Someone I want you to meet.
洛厄尔先生 吉姆 你好 Mr. Lowell. -Jim. How are you?
多兰 艾伦欢迎来美国 Dorian. Allan. Welcome to the U.S.
今天怎么样呢 科宾 还行 How'd you make out today, Corbin? -Aw, very mediocre.
除了这里的艾德 Nothing like Ed here.
显然在军队里受过射击训练 这是艾德斯诺登 Apparently, the Army's training people to shoot straight -So this is Ed Snowden.
好高兴见到你 他是Epic Shelter（电脑备份系统）背后的智囊 Sir, a pleasure to meet you. -The brains behind Epic Shelter.
非常有才华 谢谢 先生 It's brilliant work. -Thank you, sir.
我有几个问题想问你 吉姆 Yeah, I had a few questions I wanted to ask you. -Jim ...
失陪一下 抱歉 很高兴见到你 Will you excuse me gentlemen? Excuse me. -Nice to meet you.
这对我们UAV（无人机）计划非常有帮助 Yeah, it's proving very useful for our UAV program.
是的 我知道 可以从国外转换情报 Yes, I heard. With foreign site intel transfer.
现在不是从资料库里提取，而是直接从五角大楼提取 The transfers happen on collection now. They go straight to the Pentagon,
莫塞德 如果他们需要 马上行动 没有人看到 Mossad, if they need it; actionable immediately now, no one sees it.
这会让我们的领航员提高十倍的回应速度 It's improved the response time of our drone pilots by a factor of ten.
告诉我 你们在日本也有监督吧 是的 先生 Tell me, you worked signals intelligence in Japan too, yes? -Yes, sir.
你觉得怎么样 感觉是个很有权力的工作 先生 How'd you like it? -It was a very empowering job, sir.
在夏威夷的新工作 你会有更多权限 With this new job in Hawaii, there'd be even more access.
我让科宾跟你谈的 但这个机会是我提供的 I asked Corbin to start the conversation, but the offer is mine.
慢慢来 这个项目还好要几个月呢 Take your time. It's gonna take a few months to get this program on its feet.
抱歉 先生 我看到晚饭了 You'll excuse me, gentlemen? I see dinner.
先生 要吗 不 谢谢 Sir, for you? -Uh, no thank you.
Epic Shelter是个为了拷贝的项目 Epic Shelter was meant as a backup program.
是洛厄尔给你提供了这个机会 艾德 Lowell's creating this position for you, Ed.
你将会成为第一个与网络防御局一起工作的咨询师 You'll be the first contractor outside Fort Meade working counter cyber.
这是你向上爬的机会 It's your ticket to the top.
你相信美国是世界上最伟大的国家吗 Do you believe the United States is the greatest country in the world?
是的 Yes.
你曾经在未被授权的情况使用过任何系统吗 Have you used any programs you were unauthorized for?
没有 No.
我们通常不需要自己寄文件 We're not usually supposed to submit our own work,
但我的编辑说这是个例外 but my editor said she'd make an exception.
挺不错的 不是吗 Pretty neat, huh?
我可以随便交点什么上去 I could just submit an entry.
你是不是故意无视我 You ignoring me on purpose or what?
不是 不好意思 No, sorry.
我在想 怎么了 I was just thinking. -About what?
我本来想 吃饭的时候跟你说吧 那我们坐下来说吧 I wonder if... talk to you about it at dinner, but let's just, wanna come sit down?
一切都还好吧 是的 Is everything okay? -Yeah.
是这样的国安局的副局长 The, the uh, Deputy Director of the NSA
给我提供了一个职位 he offered me a new position.
有一段时间了 现在他们想要我的回复 And uh, that was a while back, and now they need an answer.
那么 这是你想做的工作吗 Well, is it something you want to do?
是我擅长的事 I'd be good at it.
Can you tell me anything about it? 你能告诉我一些关于它的事吗 56 01:13:57,370 --> 01:14:01,950 你知道的不能说 我知道任务第一 You know, I can't. -I know. Mission first.
有什么社交活动吗 比如白宫晚宴 Are there social perks? White House galas, maybe?
这个工作在夏威夷 The position is in Hawaii.
我们现在的状态真的很难得的 We worked really hard to get where we're at.
你想要毁了这一切吗 And you're willing to just rip it all up, aye?
我们终于有了自己喜欢的房子和我喜欢的工作 We finally have house that we love and a job that I like,
有很多的朋友 和我们的家人也很亲近 And real friends, and we're close to our families.
我知道 我明白 如果你想要留下来 我们就留下来 I know. I understand. And if you want to stay, then we're staying. That's it.
别捡我爱听的说 Don't just say that because I wanna hear it.
我不是 I'm not.
我曾经失去过你 我不会再这样做了 I let you go once. I'm not gonna do it again.
糟糕 抱歉 意面 稍等一下 Shit, I'm sorry. The pasta. One second.
你知道吗 这次做的真的很好吃 You know, I actually think I came pretty close to getting it right this time.
我去拿一些蜡烛 I'm gonna get some candles.
艾德 艾德? Ed Ed
Tegreto 治疗癫痫和神经痛的药
我知道Tegretol它会使人迟缓 我看我妈吃过 I know Tegretol. Know it slows you down. I've seen it with my mo.
她的一生都在吃各种各样的药 She's taken all kinds of medications her whole life.
不过 它对70%的人的有效 Well, they work in 70% of cases.
艾德 癫痫是一种很严重的疾病 如果你在开车的时候 Ed, epilepsy is a serious condition. If you have a seizure
或者你车上还有别人 driving yourself or with someone else in the car
或者你在一个高处 癫痫突然发作的话 or you're in a place where you could fall...
这不是什么轻易就可能复原的病 你必须接受药物治疗 This is not something to be lightly regarded. It's essential you commit yourself to this medication.
好吗 Okay?
好的 Yeah.
谢谢你 Oh, thank you.
我想过了医生的话 不要太过有压力 I've been thinking about what the doctor said. About less stress.
一个温暖一点的地方可能会有帮助 A warmer climate could help.
如果夏威夷是一个对你更好的地方 If Hawaii is something that we decide would be better for you,
那我们就去 I'll go.
周三 2013年6月5号 香港
詹尼斯 白宫对话怎么样了 Janine, how did the White House conversation go?
我说的很清楚我们有FISA法院指令 I made it quite clear that we were in possession of an authentic FISA court order.
他们想看 我们拒绝了 现在我祈祷那是真实有效的 They wanted to see it; we refused. Now I just pray that it's actually authentic.
你这是在质疑吗 没有人见过FISA法院指令 此前没有先例 Are you actually questioning that? -No one has ever seen a FISA court order. There's no precedent here.
我们的线人为了它冒着生命的危险 它当然是真的 Our source risked his life for that document. It's real.
告诉我 白宫有会以危害国家安全的名义 Tell us, did the White House make any specific claims about national security,
阻止你的发表吗 that would prevent you from publishing?
没有 我问了他们很多次 他们没有给我答案 No. I asked them repeatedly. And they had no substantive answer.
那你就去发表 你还想什么 你知道你现在是安全的 Then there you go. What more do you want? You can go out, and know that you're safe.
格兰 我想跟艾伦谈谈在我们更进一步之前 Glenn, I'd like to talk to Alan before we go any further.
他什么时候到 6个小时候后 When does he land? -In six hours.
不 当然不行 我们这里现在是午夜 纽约是下午1点 No. Absolutely not. We're sitting ducks here, Janine. It's 1pm in New York.
如果你不在接下来的四个小时之内发布 你会赶不上过东半球的晚间新闻 If you don't get this out in the next four hours,you'll miss the evening news on the East Coast.
但我们可以晚点发布 But we can post later tonight.
抱歉格兰 但是艾伦是我们的总编辑 I'm sorry Glenn, but Alan's our editor in chief and I...
放屁 政府现在已经知道我们有这些文件了 Bullshit, the government knows that we have these documents now.
中情局随时会破门而入你还要多少时间 The CIA could barge through this door any minute and you want more time.
像一个真正的记者吧 不要再拖延了 Act like a fucking journalist and stop stringing us along.
我刚刚和白宫对峙 I just stood my ground with the goddamn White House.
我已经用我的职业生涯在冒险了你怎么敢质疑我 I've risked my career. How dare you question my commitment to this story?
好吧 我们就慢慢 不 没错 我就是在质疑你 Okay, let's just keep on... -No, you're right, I am questioning it.
这真的不恰当 This is absolutely inappropriate.
我们要自己发布 你出局了 We are publishing ourselves. You're out.
好吧格兰 我们在下午4点前会准备好 Alright, Glenn. We'll have it ready by 4pm.
我要再去过一遍这个故事 为什么 I have to go over the story once more -Why?
因为这个故事还需要进一步的润色 Because it still needs editing, damn you.
所有的情报术语让我们伤透了脑子 All this fucking intelligence jargon is hurting our brains.
棱镜计划这个故事仍然令人费解 棱镜计划是第二个故事詹尼斯 This PRISM story is still incomprehensible. -PRISM is the second story, Janine.
Verizon公司（电话运营公司）是第一个故事 你必须在下午4点前准备好 最迟5点 Verizon is the first story. Have it ready to post by 4pm, 5 at the latest.
这不能开玩笑 不然我们就完蛋了 No games, or we're gone.
隧道 国土安全局总部中心 OAHU HAWAII 2012年
我的新工作是对中国的反间谍工作 So my new job was counter-spying on the Chinese
在瓦胡岛（夏威夷）上的国土安全局区域解码中心 At the NSA regional cryptological center on Oahu.
把你的包放那儿 先生 You mind placing your bag down there, sir?
没有私人电脑 没有USB 没有手机 No personal laptops, no usb sticks, no cell phones,
没有任何电子设备 先生 No electronic devices of any kind? -No, sir.
谢谢 Thank you.
白雪公主 是你吗 Snow White, is that you?
加布里尔 你在这里干嘛 Gabriel? -Dude, what the hell are you doing here?
哇 太不可思议了 Wow, this is amazing.
你在这里工作吗 是的 三年两个月零五天了 What, do you work here? -Yeah, yeah. Three years, two months and uh, five days.
不过 谁在乎呢是吧 But who's counting, right?
这就像一个二战秘密的地下基地 It's like, who knew that a secret underground world war 2 air base
充满了成千上万的地下极客 would become munch heaven for a thousand geeks.
那么这里的披萨好吃吗 很好吃 重要的是电梯太慢 So there's good pizza? -Good pizza, yeah, it's important. The elevator's slow as shit, though.
天哪 真了不起 Jesus. -It's something else, huh?
NTOC是美国国家安全局(NSA)的威胁管控中心(Threat Operations Center(NTOC) ROC(Receiver Operating Characteristic) 坐标分析工具
那么你是做什么工作的呢 NTOC还是ROC So, what deck are you working on? -You NTOC or ROC?
在你我之间说 NTOC Between you and me? NTOC.
酷 你肯定可以把那些黑客给黑了 你是最棒的 Cool. You get to hack the hackers. You're coming up in the world.
你的新人到了 特雷弗 Fresh brains for you, Trevor.
特雷弗 詹姆斯 运营部门主管 Trevor James, Interactive Ops, Division Chief.
我是艾德 斯诺登 我听说过 Ed Snowden. -I've been briefed.
这间是NTOC的 防守部门 你就在那里工作 Next door's NTOC. Defense. That's where you'll be workin'.
这边是ROC 我们的攻击部门 Over here we have ROC, our offense.
这两个部门工作我都参与 这是一个纪律严明的单位 斯诺登 是的先生 Now, I move between the two. We run a tight ship here, Snowden. -Yes, sir.
你将会和海恩斯一起工作 派屈克海恩斯 有你真好 You'll be workin' with Haynes. -Patrick Haynes. Good to you have you.
你要好好照顾他 这座建筑里最聪明的家伙 You watch out for him. The smartest guy in the building right here.
兄弟 你会讲多少种语言 Bro, how many languages do you speak again?
七种编程语言 六种口语 两种手语 Seven in Code, six spoken, two sign language.
我会一些美国手语 I some American Sign Language.
太棒啦 That's awesome.
好的 又一种我无法理解的语言 待会儿见 艾德 Great. Another language I can't understand. -I'll check you later, Ed.
等一下 Wait for it.
任何时刻 Any moment.
拿下瓦济里斯坦 所以我们起什么作用 Lights over Waziristan, gentlemen. -So, what exactly do we contribute to this?
在那个无人机下面是一个巨大的天线 The underside of that Reaper drone is fixed with a big ass antenna.
嗅觉的硬件可以在任何时候发出信号的ID Snarfing the hardware ID of anything that broadcasts.
我们来定位 然后我们的朋友塔莎空军向其开火 她来了 We, then geo locate em'. My friend Tasha here with the Air Force reins Hellfire. There she is now.
嗨特弗雷 你喜欢这场秀吗 你知道的 Hey, Trev. You likin' the show? -You know it.
我们追踪 你们摧毁 我们追踪的到底是什么人 We track 'em, you whack 'em. -And who did we just track?
不是谁 而是什么 我们追踪敌人的手机 有的时候是电话卡 Not who, what. We're targeting bad guys' cell phones. Sometimes a SIM card.
好的 那我们怎么知道坏人已经处于手机定位中呢 Okay. And how do we know the bad guy is in possession of the bad cell phone?
我们不需要 当然我们需要 美国联合特种作战司令部和中情局会有人在现场 We don't.- Of course we do. JSOC and CIA have their people in the field.
这个系统的名字是 What's the program name?
Epic Shelter 这个计划最初就是为备份的系统 Epic Shelter. It was originally some backup program for uh...
防止灾难发生 是的 你怎么知道 Catastrophic site failure. -Yeah. How did you know that?
- 我建造的它 - 你 - 是的 你知道 我已经想出来Epic Shelter的另外一种用途 - I built it. - You? - Yeah, you know actually, I've been thinking about another use for Epic Shelter.
你在想什么呢 What'd you have in mind?
我和吉姆洛厄尔谈过它有很多种功能 吉姆洛厄尔副局长 Well, I was chatting with Jim Lowell about how there were so many programs...-Deputy Director Lowell?
是的 我们知道现在有各种系统 要准确的追踪几乎不太可能 Yeah, yeah. And we were saying there are so many programs nowadays, it's kind of impossible to keep track of them anymore.
是吗 那为什么不创造一个中央数据库呢 Right? So why create a centralized database?
像目录一样吗 是的随时更新的 Ah, like an index? -Yeah, exactly. Something that updates in real time.
我们已经拥有Epic Shelter收集最终 We've already got Epic Shelter collecting our finished intel.
我们只需要做一个门户网站来登记它 We just need a web portal to catalog it.
让它们可被搜索 让我想想 Make it searchable. -Let me think about it.
米德堡 佛罗里达州一个城
无论如何 我要让米德堡通过 当然 你想好名字了吗 - In any case, I'd have to run it past Fort Meade. - Course. - Did you have a name?
是的 如果它没有被采用 我想叫它 心跳 Yeah, if it's not taken, I'd call it Heartbeat.
心跳 Heartbeat.
5 4 3 2 1 ... five, four, three, two, one.
接触目标 Engage target.
你在后面还行吗 是的 You okay down there? -Yep.
这就是为什么我坚持我们爬山的原因 This is why I keep saying we need to hike more.
你是对的 嘿 看我这里 You're right. -Hey, can you look at me?
拜托 好几年了 Come on. It's been years.
在我的社交网站里 你好像不存在一样 By social media standards, you don't even exist anymore.
就一张 微笑 露出牙齿 Just one. Smile. Show me your teeth.
难以捕捉的你 终于被我抓住了 My elusive E. Finally captured.
所以我现在是一个可爱的男朋友了 是的 So now I'm a viable boyfriend? -Yes.
可惜了 你过去是那么可爱的一个小模特 Such a shame. You used to be such a cute little model.
小 我很小吗 等下 Little? -Yeah. -Oh, I was little? -Wait!
停下 Stop.
天哪 我觉得你应该多出来晒晒太阳 Oh my God. I think you've got some sun.
真的 你看上去状态很好 那是不可能的 I'm serious. It looks good. -Oh, that's impossible.
嗯顺便我想问你件事 你换药房了吗 Hey, um, I've been meaning to ask you, by the way, did you switch pharmacies?
因为我想帮你拿药 'Cause, I tried to pick up your prescription
拿不到 为什么呢 and I couldn't. Why did you do it?
因为我在这里想做些能帮助你的事 Uh, because I was there and thought it would be helpful.
我停止吃Tegretol了 I stopped taking the Tegretol.
什么 什么时候 两个月前 What? When? -Couple months ago.
你现在才告诉我 我是想早告诉你的 And you're just now telling me? -I wanted to tell you.
我只是 我吃不下去 我有点头晕恶心 I just... I can't take that stuff. It makes me groggy.
我在工作中需要保持机敏的状态 我必须时刻警惕 And I need to be sharp for work. I need to be on the ball all the time.
这是什么狗屁工作比生命还重要 What is it about this fucking job that makes it more important than your life?
我不理解 我们政府 I don't understand. -Our Government...
我们政府 怎么了 Our government, what?
我们的政府每年都要因为中国黑客损失数千万美元 Our government is hemorrhaging billions of of dollars every year to Chinese hackers.
他们雇我去阻止他们 And I've been hired to shut them down.
很多人依靠着我 A lot of people are depending on me.
除了你就没别人了吗 More so than anyone else?
对 Yes.
不 一派胡言 No, this ... this is bullshit.
所以我们来夏威夷的目的不是为了让你康复 是吧 Didn't come to Hawaii for you to heal, did we?
这里根本没有更轻松的工作 There's never going to be a less stressful job out there.
我觉得这是我天生的使命 如果我不做 I feel like I'm made to do this, and if I don't do it, then
我不知道还有谁能胜任 I don't know anybody else that can.
就像是 我在一个固定轨道上前行 无法回头 It's like I'm... I'm on a trajectory that I can't turn back from.
你随时可以回头 You can always turn back.
我想看到的是你能不能用是或否来回答这个问题 What I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question
国安局是否在收集 Does the NSA collect any type of data at all
成千上万的美国人的任何类型的数据 on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?
不 先生 没有吗 -No, sir. -It does not?
并非故意 Not wittingly.
很多情况下会不经意地 不知情地收集数据 There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps collect,
但不是 不是故意的 哦 是吗 -but not--not wittingly. -Oh,really?
谢谢 关于这点我会以书面形式向您提出更多问题 Thank you. I’ll have additional questions to give you in writing on that point...
呃 我想向你们展示一张图 Okay, so uh, what I wanted to show you guys is uh, this slide I ran across
是在建立索引程序时发现的 while building this indexing program.
这是什么 是三月份的数据收集 -And what is this? -OKay, so this is data collection for the month of March.
整个世界范围内 电子邮件和网络电话 法国 7千万 Worldwide. E-mails and Skype calls. France. 70 million.
德国 5亿 Germany. 500 million.
巴西 2千万 Brazil. Two billion.
美国境内 Inside the U.S.
3100万的邮件和电话 还不包含电信公司的数据 3.1 billion e-mails and calls. That's not including any of the telcom company data.
好吧 那俄罗斯的收集量是多少 Okay, so what's the collection in Russia?
俄罗斯是1500万 Russia is 1.5 billion.
所以我们在美国收集的数量是俄罗斯的两倍 是啊 我知道会很多 但 -Wait, so we're collecting twice as much in the U.S. as we are in Russia? -Yeah, I figured it would be a lot, but...
这已经没法控制了 天 This shit is out of hand, man.
你给其他人看过吗 不 就跟你们说了 -Wait, have you shown this to anyone else? -No, you guys are the first.
你知道要是我的话我会小心一些 你这是在玩火上身 Yeah, you know I'd be careful about that. It could seem like you're rocking the boat.
你说得对 我只是 我只想知道是不是只有我一个人 Yeah, you're right. I just um, I needed to know if I was the only one that
觉得这简直是疯了 thought this was crazy.
你们特么在干嘛 嘿 特雷弗 你们在这里干嘛 -The fuck's going on? -Hey, Trev. -What are you doing in here?
没什么 只是在给他们看这张图 我需要输入数据 It's nothing. I was just showing them this one slide, I needed some input.
为什么看热力地图 是我的错 特雷弗 -Why the heat map? -It's my bad, Trev.
我跟艾德打赌看我们从哪国收到的信号最多 I made a bet with Ed about which country we were collecting the most signals from.
他说伊朗我说巴基斯坦 He said Iran and I said Pakistan.
谁赢了 艾德 -Who won? -Ed.
好了我要走了 回头见 Yeah, I'm gonna head out. I'll see you guys.
下次你就完了 好吧 -You're going down next time. -Yeah, okay.
别再打赌了 而且没有授权谁也不能来这儿 No more bets. And I don't want anyone unauthorized in here again.
尤其是心跳计划 你说得对 不会再犯了 Especially not with Heartbeat. -You're right. It won't happen again.
生日快乐 Happy Birthday!
在维加斯坐观阿富汗 然后我们加班的时候 In Vegas, looking at Afghanistan, so we're working late hours
一团模糊的东西移动进了歼敌区 This blurry object comes wandering into the strike zone.
我们都知道那是个小孩 砰 他就死了 We all knew that it was a kid. Poof, he's gone.
我们请求澄清真相 回复的报告很冷淡 Call in for clarification, report came back cold.
说是一条狗 那好吧 It was a dog. Okay, fine.
那一班的时间真长 夜以继日 Shift's long. Day and night.
两三天之后 在同一个村子 The same village two, three days later.
我们看见了葬礼 我们知道他们埋葬的是一个男孩 We see the funeral. We knew it was the kid they buried.
父母哭着 然后命令下来了 说的很明白 打他们 Moms and dads were wailin'. And then the order comes down, pretty clear. Hit 'em.
砰 Poof.
然后他们就消失在一片烟尘中了 And they are gone in a cloud of dust.
所有人 整个家族啊 I mean all of them. The whole fucking family.
但最疯狂的是你下班回到家 But the crazy thing is that you come home after work
亲吻老婆孩子 然后第二天回去继续上班 kiss the wife and kids, back to work the next day.
过不了多久 就习惯成自然了 Pretty soon, you know, it just all becomes routine.
靠 你说的跟犯罪一样 Fuck that. You make it sound criminal, man.
这是战争 这是工作啊 这可不好说 -It's war, it's a job. -I dunno know, man.
工作内容就不可能是犯罪吗 给政府工作就不叫犯罪 -Think jobs can't be criminal? -No, not if you're working for the government.
你听说过纽伦堡审判吗 特雷弗 You ever hear about the Nuremburg trials, Trev?
离现在也不算久远 是啊 -They weren't that long ago. -Yeah.
我们绞死了纳粹头目 对吗 And we hung the Nazi big shots, right?
是 绞死头目是第一场审判 但下一场 Yeah. Well, the big shots were the first trial, but then the next trial
就轮到了法官 律师 警察 警卫 were just the judges, and lawyers, and police men, guards.
上班工作 遵从命令的普通人 Ordinary people just doing their jobs. Following orders.
在这里诞生了后来被联合国写入国际法的纽伦堡原则 That's where we got the Nuremberg principles, which then, the UN made into international law
就是以防普通工作再次成为犯罪行为 just in case ordinary jobs become criminal again.
随口一说 Just sayin'.
都他妈没碰过我 ...even fucking touch me...
我的天 哥们 你没事吧 -Oh my God! -Dude, you okay?
你没事吧 走开 不要碰他 -You okay, man? -Get away. Don't touch him.
嘿 艾德 你还好吗 身体怎么样 Hey, Ed, how are you? How's your health?
你好 柯宾 呃 Hey, Corbin. Ah, it's...
还不错 谢谢关心 It's fine. Thanks for asking.
身体这样 生活一定很提心吊胆吧 It must be nerve racking, living with that condition.
你可不知道 看看你的战绩吧 You wouldn't know it. Look at your numbers.
前四个月就阻止了200个中国IP 200 Chinese IPs down in your first four months.
那些是 内部数字 Those are uh, internal numbers.
你同事特雷弗 像你一样也是从中情局出去的 Your colleague Trevor, is out of the CIA like you.
他一直在向我通报你的进展 He's been keeping me informed of your progress.
真是出色的工作 心跳计划也是 It's outstanding work. Heartbeat, as well.
谢谢您 您的赏识对我来说意义非凡 洛厄尔非常满意 -Thank you. Thanks. That means a lot. -Lowell is very pleased.
让我带他问你好 听到这消息太好了 -He sends his regards. -That's great to hear.
他 呃 He um...
他不知道你们那个热力地图对话 He doesn't know about your heat map conversations
还有你对同事表达的一些想法 or some of the ideas you've expressed to your colleagues.
他以后也不会知道 好的 呃 -And he's not going to. -Yeah, uh...
你知道 心跳实施起来是个难度较大的项目 需多个机构协作 You know, Heartbeat is proving a tricky project. Collating from multiple agencies.
还需要知道从何处调取数据 And knowing where to pull from.
和同事谈论此事对我有帮助 It has helped to talk it over with colleagues.
我相信你 所以你在日内瓦干的的事情没人追查 I believe in you. Which is why nothing to you after the derog in Geneva.
我也很感谢您的照顾 And I'm very grateful you've looked out for me.
还有你在测谎中"省略事实"的行为也是 Or after you "omitted the truth" in your polygraph.
你究竟隐瞒了什么 What was it you were withholding exactly?
你记得那天上课的时候你对我们说的FISA法庭吗 You remember that day in class you were talking to us about the FISA court?
你说他们批准了布什的监听计划 You said that they approved Bush's wiretapping programs.
有时我们不能讲出事实的全部 Sometimes we're restricted from telling the whole truth.
这并不意味着可以说谎 柯宾 -Doesn't give us permission to lie. -Corbin.
国家情报部门主任就对国会说谎了 The Director of National Intelligence just lied to Congress.
对不起 Sorry.
看着我 Look at me.
你有没有用过未经授权的程序 Did you access an unauthorized program?
而且是我不知道的 That I did not know about?
是的 那是 呃 Yes. It was, uh...
是在日内瓦 是琳赛 我吃醋了 我很抱歉 It was in Geneva, it was Lindsay, I was jealous. And I'm sorry.
我没再做过这事 I never did it again.
听着 Listen...
我知道日内瓦事件之后你和琳赛就一直分分合合 I know it's been up and down with you and Lindsay since Geneva.
很难去保持一段关系 干我们这行就这样 It's tough...keep any relationship going. Few of us do.
所以 如果这能让你心里好受一些 我可以向你保证 她没有和她那些摄影师朋友上床 So if it will give you any peace of mind, I can assure you she's not sleeping with that photographer friend of hers.
如果这就是你想知道的事情 if that's what you're thinking.
几周后我要去悉尼参加一个五只眼会议 返程时我会顺便去夏威夷（，：屏幕上方：新西兰和澳大利亚都是与美国、英国及加拿大并称为“五眼”(five eye)情报同盟的成员国 I have to go to a FIVE EYES conference in Sydney in a couple o' week. I'll stop by Hawaii on the way back.
好吗 Okay?
好的 谢谢您 Okay. Thank you.
到时候再见 I'll see you soon.
嘿 爸爸 Hey Dad.
您收到我邮件发给您的照片了吗 Did you get the e-mail I sent you with the photos?
我想让您删除它们 I was hoping you could delete them.
你在干嘛 What are you doing?
坐下 Sit down.
你的邮件正在被监控 所以呢 -Your e-mail is being monitored. -So?
现在情况不一样了 不是被动的收集 而是全线监视 Well, it's different now. It's not passive collection. It's full tape surveillance.
你所有的电子邮件 电话 短信 社交网络 所有一切 It's your all of your e-mails, calls, texts, social media. Everything.
家里也很有可能装了窃听器 It's also possible that the house is bugged.
我不确定 被谁 -I'm not sure. -By who?
一个中情局的高官 By a senior officer at the CIA.
你惹麻烦了吗 是因为中国那个事吗 You in trouble? Is it the Chinese thing?
听着 有些事我想告诉你 Look, there's things that I wish I could tell you
但我不能告诉你因为你可能会因此受到严重的伤害 but I can't because you could get very hurt.
什么都不知道才能保证你的安全 What's keeping you safe is that you don't know anything.
对不起 真心的 我真的没想弄成现在这样 I'm sorry. I really am. I didn't want any of this for you.
但我知道你相信我在做正确的事 But I know you would think I was doing the right thing.
所以听我的话 好吗 等下我们进屋 一切都要自然 So just listen to me for a sec, okay? When we go back in the house, everything has to appear normal.
我们要扮做什么事都没发生过 We're gonna act like nothing is changed.
但如果你真的发现什么怪事 你需要立刻告诉我 But if you do notice something that's weird, you need to tell me right away.
你要使用我给你准备的暗号给我发送加密邮件 And you're gonna use encrypted e-mail that I'm setting up for you.
我办不到 你可以的 我知道你可以 -I don't think I can do this. -Yes, you can. I know you can.
我有的选吗 我只求你相信我 - Do I even have a choice? -I'm asking you to trust me.
琳赛 我觉得你最好回马里兰待一段时间 Linz, I think it'd be best if you went back to Maryland for a while.
告诉你父母我要出差一段时间 Tell your parents that I'm away on a business trip.
说你想家了 你要离开吗 -And that you're homesick. -Are you going away?
是的 但只是一小段时间 Yes, but just for a little while.
不 我不能走 求你了 至少待到我回来 我不能走 -No, I can't go. -Please, just until I get back? -I can't go.
你刚才还说我们要扮做什么都没发生 You just said that we have to appear like nothing's changed.
如果咱俩同时离开 不会显得可疑吗 If both of us left at the same time, wouldn't that seem suspicious?
我会为你做这件事 I will do this for you.
但这是最后一次 But it is the last time.
我们将于两周后的周一 在美丽华酒店对面的商场见面 We will meet in the mall, opposite the Mira Hotel, on the Monday two weeks from now.
我会拿着一个魔方 见面详谈 I will be holding a Rubik's cube. More to follow...
听说特雷弗干的事了吧 哥们 You hear about Trevor, bro?
你知道那个控制叙利亚网络的行动吧 You know that op to own the Internet in Syria?
他和他开黑的小队摧毁了核心路由器 Yeah, Trevor and his TIO team crashed the core router.
整个国家就断网了 我的天 -The whole country has gone dark. -Jesus Christ.
赶紧想办法 倒霉孩子 -Figure it out! -Poor bastards.
好吧 我要 我要去干活了 嗯嗯 我也是 -K, I'm gonna, uh, I gotta get to work. -Yeah, yeah, me too.
哦 嘿 心跳计划怎么样了 Oh, hey. How's Heartbeat coming?
快了 马上就好了 It's close. It's very close.
别告诉我你也掺和进去了 Don't tell me you're involved in this too.
特雷弗非让我过一遍初始溢出代码 简直乱爆了 Well, Trevor fucking roped me into going through the zero day exploit codes. It's a big fucking mess, man.
我当初为啥要同意 祝你好运 Why did I agree to it? -Good luck.
让我们击垮他们 好 Hung em like a melon out to dry. -Yeah.
海军那有问题吗 Trouble with the Navy?
有个蠢货偷了一些以色列代码 把有效载荷挤爆了 你能相信吗 One of those idiots ripped some bullshit piece of Israeli Code and jammed it down our payload. You fuckin' believe that?
业余黑客 我知道 我应该听你的 他妈的 -Script kiddies? -I know, I know. I should have listened to you. Goddammit.
是这个吗 就是这个 Is this it? -Here it is.
这绝对是以色列人的锅 The Israelis must fucking take the fall for this.
我才不要背这个锅 I'm not taking the fall for this.
帕特里克 Patrick.
我可能以后就见不到你了 I might not see you again.
你忍心把我留在这里 You gonna leave me here...
陪着美国队长吗 with Captain America?
多谢了 Thanks a lot.
国安局可能会派人来抓你 The NSA may come after you.
我可不知道你在说啥 I don't know what you're talking about.
这么早就回家吗 是啊 身体不太舒服 -You headed home already? -Yeah. I'm not feeling so well.
明天可能也来不了了 Might not be in tomorrow either.
你知道 特雷弗比较忙 能替我跟他说一声吗 You know, Trevor's kinda busy, maybe you could let him know for me?
可以啊 乐意效劳 Yeah, it'd be my pleasure.
话说你要是真不舒服 哥们 你应该回去美国看下医生 You know, if you're uh, if you're really not feeling well, dude, maybe you should go back to the States and see your doctor.
我觉得 大家都能够理解的 I think that, you know, folks would understand that.
听起来是明智之举 Sounds like a smart thing.
你多保重 你也是 哥们 -Take care of yourself. -Yeah, you too, bro.
嘿 你玩过这个吗 Hey, you ever play with one of these?
嗯 小时候玩过 Yeah, when I was a kid.
你应该试试 挺难的 You should try it. It's hard.
我可不会玩 I can't figure this out.
我也不会 I don't know about this.
其实你应该先组白色十字 然后再拼四个角 You gotta start with a white cross, actually, then you do the corners.
啊 我还挺喜欢这玩意的 Ah man, well I love these things.
周末愉快 你也是 哥们 Hey, have a good weekend, man. -You too, buddy.
开始了 It's live.
2013年6月5日 星期三
这里有个FISA法庭的庭谕链接 There's a link to the FISA court order.
好极了 詹尼斯 我说过她可是个不好对付的家伙 Well done, Janine. I told you she was no pushover.
错了的感觉真他妈的美好啊 Well, it feels so goddamn good to be wrong.
国安局每天收集数以百万计的美国人民的电话记录 NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily.
今晚的重大新闻 报道称奥巴马政府通过一个秘密的法院命令 Breaking news tonight. Reports that through a secret court order, the Obama administration
正收集数以万计的威瑞森用户的电话记录 is collecting the phone records of millions of Verizon customers.
据英国卫报报道 That's been reported by The Guardian newspaper in the UK.
法院命令显示所有这些信息都流向国家安全局 美国有线电视新闻网已经联系多个资料来源以证实这个报道 They said court order shows that all the information is going to the National Security Agency. CNN has reached out to multiple sources to confirm the story...
作为主流媒体还好吗 格伦 How is that for mainstream media, Glenn?
现在他们不能阻止我们了 我们还有4天的报道 他们完全不知道将要发生什么 They can't shut this down now, we've got four more days of it. -They have no idea what they're in store for.
真是太棒了 It's fantastic.
又一篇爆炸性新闻 刚刚出来了 这次是华盛顿邮报的报道 Another explosive article, has just appeared, this time in the Washington Post.
这次的爆炸性新闻揭露了另一个广泛而秘密的美国政府的监视计划 It's breaking news that it reveals another broad and secret U.S. government surveillance program.
华盛顿邮报和伦敦的卫报报导了 The Washington Post and the Guardian in London reporting
国家安全局和联邦调查局对九个主要的互联网公司的中央服务器进行了直接的信息窃取 that the NSA and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading internet companies
其中包括微软 雅虎 谷歌 脸书 美国在线 including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, AOL,
网络电话 视频网站和苹果 Skype, YouTube, and Apple.
据邮报报道 音频 视频 图片 邮件和连接日志都被采集起来 The Post says they're extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents,
最后使得分析师可以追踪一个人的活动和联系 and connection logs that enable analysts to track a person's movements and contacts over time.
2013年6月7日 星期五
抽象地说 你可以抱怨国家以及这个项目怎么可以胡作非为 In the abstract, you can complain about ‘Big Brother’ and how this is a potential program run amok,
但当你真的着眼于细节的时候 我觉得我们找到了适当的平衡 but when you actually look at the details, then I think we’ve struck the right balance.
美国总统巴拉克 奥巴马坚定地捍卫美国政府的项目 U.S. President Barack Obama staunchly defends U.S. government programs
坚称这些项目被广泛的安全措施保护着 insisting that they were conducted with broad safeguards
不会被滥用 to protect against abuse.
他得出结论 在这个十分神秘的机构里正发生着的 He reached the conclusion that what was happening inside this really secretive agency
是对隐私权 互联网自由以及基本的政治自由的威胁和恐吓 was very threatening and menacing to privacy rights, to Internet freedom, to basic political liberty.
这不仅发生在美国 而且发生在全世界 他认为这是他的责任 Not only in the United States but all around the world. And he felt it was his duty
来揭露这一切 as a human being to disclose it.
我的名字是爱德华 斯诺登 我29岁 我在布兹 艾伦 汉密尔顿手下工作 My name is Ed Snowden. I'm 29 years old. I work for Booz Allen Hamilton.
是在国家安全局夏威夷分局的一名系统基础设施分析员 as an infrastructure analyst for NSA in Hawaii.
站出来反对世界上最强大的情报机构 你不能 Well, you can't come forward against the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world
指望不冒一点风险 他们是如此强大的对手 without expecting to have some risk. They're just such powerful adversaries.
没有人可以反对他们 如果他们想要抓你 你被抓就是迟早的事 No one can meaningfully oppose them. If they wanna get you, they will get you in time.
这小子做到了 The kid did it.
如果这种压抑的架构被扩张 对于下一代来说就会更槽糕 ...get worse for the next generation, if they extend the capabilities of this sort of architecture of oppression.
接下来你就意识到 只要公众可以 Then you realize that you might willing to accept any risk
对于这一切被如何应用可以做出自己的决定 你就会愿意承受任何的风险 as long as the public is able to make their own decision about how this is applied.
因为 即使你没有做错任何事情 你也正被监视着 Because, even if you haven't done anything wrong, you're being watched.
我曾经可以登陆整个监视系统 I had access to the entire intelligence community.
所以如果我想要伤害美国 So if I had wanted to harm the U.S.
一个下午的时间就可以关掉整个系统 ...you could shut down the entire analyst system in an afternoon.
但那从不是我的意图 而且我认为 每一个正在为此争吵的人 But that was never my intention, and I think anybody that's making that argument
他们应该想想 They have to think.
如果他们在我的位置 If they were in my position
住在夏威夷 在天堂 赚着大把的银子 Living in Hawaii, in paradise, making a ton of money,
需要付出多大的代价 才能让你把这一切都抛下 what would it take, to make you leave everything behind?
我最害怕的 The fear that I've had most
是美国在这些揭露过后 in regards to the outcome for America with these disclosures
在接下来的很多个月 很多年 什么都没有改变 情况只是变得更恶劣 is that nothing will change in the coming months, and the coming years, it will just get worse.
然后 在某个时刻 And then, eventually, at some point
某个新的领导人上台 some new leader will be elected
他扳动开关 who flips the switch
然后那时候人民就不能做任何事情来反对了 and the people won't be able to do anything by that point to oppose it.
那将会是一站式专政 And it'll be turnkey tyranny.
你还好吗 嗯 我没事 How you holdin' up? -Yeah, I'll be fine.
你们要开始小心了 You guys have to start watching after yourselves now.
如果你们觉得自己被以任何方式突袭 拦截 或攻破 You know, if you have any reason to believe that you're about to
你们就要立即格式化和毁灭所有的数据 be raided or intercepted or breached in any way, you format and destroy all the data immediately.
你们有加密过的备份 You have the encrypted backups.
现在我 Now I...
我不再有接触这些文件的途径了 全都在你们手上 I no longer have any access to these files, myself. You guys have them all.
重点都放在故事上 这是最重要的 Keep the focus on the stories. That's all that matters.
如果你们不介意的话 我 If you'll excuse me, it's...
我们都应该休息一下 我们很需要睡眠 We should all get some rest. We could use it.
嗯 我应该在一张舒服的床上躺下 趁现在还有机会 对吧 Yeah, I should probably lay down in a soft bed, while I still have one available, right?
好好休息 谢谢你 Rest well. -Thank you.
明天见 晚安 See you tomorrow. -Good night.
能不能至少告诉我你要去哪里 Can you at least tell me where you're going?
听着 我知道我 嘘 Listen, I know that I... -Shh.
2013年6月10日 星期一
伊凡 我在二楼了 Ewen, I'm on the second floor.
我没看到蒂博 I don't see Tibbo.
没 没有 等一下 我想我看见他了 No, no-no, wait, I think I see him.
该死的 酒店里到处都是记者 Shit. There's press swarming all over the hotel.
我不知道 我会找办法的 开个新闻发布会什么的来阻止他们 Yeah, I don't know. I'll figure it out and I'll stop them with a press conference or something.
我们很欣赏你是香港最好的律师之一 Look, we really appreciate this you're one of the best lawyers in Hong Kong.
我们会先带他去联合国 接下来的我最好还是不要透露 我明白 We're gonna take him to the UN first, then I prefer not to reveal. I understand...
该死的 他们发现我了 你们快走 Shit, they've spotted me. You guys get going.
我会一个个回答你们的问题 谢谢 I will answer your questions in an orderly fashion. Please.
你联系到他们了吗 我已经尽力了 Did you get them? -Yeah, this is the best I could do.
5分钟之内你就会和蒂博见面 You'll be meeting Tibbo in five minutes.
在大商场对面的天桥 On the skybridge opposite the large mall.
我遇到过很多令人吃惊的人 但你 I've met a lot of astonishing people in my life, but you...
好啦 小伙子 走吧 Okay, laddie, off you go.
我不会让你失望的 I won't let you down.
带上摄影机你才是个称职的记者 You'd make a shitty journalist without a camera.
你确定吗 You sure?
好吧 这是个不错的主意 Okay. That's a pretty good idea.
谢谢 Thanks.
不要忘了你的幸运魔方 You don't want to leave your luck behind.
我想把它留给你 Oh, I think I'd like you to have that.
谢谢你们做的一切 谢谢 Thanks. For everything. -Thank you.
我在街上准备了一辆货车 I have a van on the street.
国安局泄密者爱德华 斯诺登被正式指控 NSA leaker Edward Snowden has now been charged formally with
间谍 偷盗和转换政府的财产的罪名 espionage, theft and conversion of government property.
美国官员发出临时通缉令要求香港拘留前独立合约人 US officials have asked Hong Kong to detain the former contractor on provisional arrest warrant.
斯诺登从5月起一直在香港 据报道 在5月20日 Snowden has been in Hong Kong since May. --Reportedly, on May 20th...
斯诺登从一直藏身的香港豪华酒店退房了 Snowden has checked out of the luxury hotel in Hong Kong where he had been holed up.
你最好不要看 You might turn your eyes away.
司法部门不得不向国际刑警求助 那么当斯诺登 The Justice Department had to go to Interpol, so that Snowden,
试图穿越国界的时候 他就会被拦截和拘留 if he tried to cross a border, he could be intercepted and detained.
美国人在迫近 他们几乎确定他在哪里了 So, again the Americans are now closing in. They almost certainly know where he is.
他们只需要香港的许可来逮捕他 香港政府和华盛顿间有引渡条例 但最终决定 They just need Hong Kong's approval to get him. -The Hong Kong government does have an extradition agreement with Washington, but the ultimate decision...
最大的问题是 他现在在哪里 The big question here is: Where is he now?
谢谢你 这是艾德 艾德 这是马亚娜 - 欢迎 Thank you. This is Ed. Ed, Mayana. -Welcome.
这些都是好人 他们不会泄密 These are good people. They won't talk.
我处理她们的案件很多年了 她们的情况跟你一样 你们真是太好了 I've been handling their cases for years. They're like you. -That's so nice.
她们是无国籍人士 - 好的 They're stateless. -Yeah.
我们现在就等联合国的避难者身份的申请 - 好的 So, we're waiting on the UN application for refugee status. -Yeah.
万一你被逮捕了 打这个电话给我 好的 Just in case you're arrested, this is where you can call me. -Yeah.
很好 非常感谢你 Good. -Thank you so much.
你可能没意识到 艾德 You may not feel it, Ed,
但你不是一个人 but you're not alone.
他交往了很久的女朋友 业余摄影师琳赛 米尔斯 His longtime girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, an amateur photographer
没有任何消息 有理由相信她隐居在马里兰 她父母的房子里 has not been heard from. It's believed she's in seclusion in her parents' home in Maryland
并且已经被联邦调查局询问和调查 and has been questioned by the FBI and remains under investigation.
距离世人寻找爱德华 斯诺登已经过去10天了 Ten days have now gone by as the world looks for Edward Snowden.
有传言说一个有钱的支持者把斯诺登藏在 Rumors have surfaced that a rich supporter is hiding Snowden
香港某个畔山私人豪宅里 somewhere in the Hong Kong hills in a private mansion.
经确认 爱德华 斯诺登订了一个从香港飞向莫斯科的航班 It is now confirmed that Edward Snowden has boarded a flight from Hong Kong to Moscow.
国务院对于香港当局让斯诺登离开感到非常失望 The State Department is very disappointed in the authorities in Hong Kong for letting Snowden go.
他和一位维基泄密的代表同行 He was accompanied by a representative from WikiLeaks.
斯诺登试图从俄罗斯去古巴再到达厄尔多瓜寻求政治避难 Snowden is trying to make his way from Russia to Cuba and then to Ecuador for political asylum.
莫斯科机场官员说他不能帮斯诺登办理转机 Moscow airport officials say he won't be permitted to make his connected flight
因为美国政府撤销了他的护照 because the U.S. government has revoked his passport.
美国国务卿约翰 克里感到非常愤怒 The United States Secretary of State John Kerry is outraged
因为俄罗斯拒绝逮捕这个美国逃犯 that Russia is refusing to arrest the American fugitive.
现在这个没有国籍的男人被困在莫斯科机场里 Now a man without a country is stranded inside the Moscow airport.
不 我不会开着喷气式飞机 No, I'm not going to be scrambling jets
去抓一个29岁的黑客 to get a 29-year-old hacker.
玻利维亚总统的飞机今天在澳大利亚被迫降了 The president of Bolivia's plane was forced down in Austrian airspace today
因为美国怀疑斯诺登可能在飞机上 on U.S. suspicions that Snowden may have been on board.
跟他的俄罗斯律师以及一个维基解密的法律顾问莎拉 哈里逊 After 39 days at the airport hotel, he slept with his Russian lawyer
在机场宾馆睡了39天之后 and a legal adviser from WikiLeaks, Sarah Harrison.
他现在可以享受在弗拉基米尔 普京的政权之下 自由的甜蜜滋味 He can now enjoy all of the the sweet, sweet liberty allowed under the regime of president Vladimir Putin.
现在依然有一样叫做死刑的东西 There is still a thing called execution.
事实上斯诺登先生值得拥有全球的庇护和保护 Mr. Snowden actually deserves aslyum and protection around the globe
但至少他有俄罗斯的庇护了 but he does have asylum in Russia, at least.
他可以参与这场他发起的辩论了 He can engage in the debate he started.
而世界也多了一个正面例子 你可以做正确的事 And the world now has an example that you can do the right thing.
而不用在一个笼子 一间房甚至是一座监狱里度过余下的一生 You don't have to end up in a cage, one room, a prison.
在俄罗斯里临时避难一年之后 After more than a year in the country under temporary asylum
爱德华 斯诺登又接受到了俄罗斯三年的居住允许 Edward Snowden has received a three year residency permit in Russia.
在莫斯科直播的 爱德华 斯诺登 And now, here, live from Moscow, Edward Snowden.
嗨 艾德 你还好吗 Hi, Ed. How are you doing?
谢谢你 请原谅我如果我的举止有点不自然 Thank you. Uh, forgive me if I get my bearings a little bit here.
人们总是说我在某种程度上像个机器人 People always said I was kind of a robot.
你是怎么会去了俄罗斯的呢 How is it that you came to be in Russia?
我从来没想过来这里 你知道的 我的护照在 Well, I never intended to come here, you know. My passport was revoked
去拉丁美洲的路上被撤销了 所以当人们说 你为什么在俄罗斯的时候 on route to Latin America, so when people say, why are you in Russia?
我回答 这个你得问国务院 I say: "Ask the State Department."
这是不是意味着你愿意回来并且接受审讯 Does that mean you're willing to go back and face trial?
当然了 如果是一场公平公开的审讯 Absolutely. If it was a fair and public trial.
不幸的是 只要反间谍法被用于反对告密者 Unfortunately that's not what would happen right now
那都不会发生 as long as the Espionage Act is being used against whistleblowers.
你现在认为这是值得的吗 是的 Do you still think it was worth it? -Yes, I do.
如果没有开始一场公开辩论所需的信息 我们会迷失 Without the information to start a public debate, we're lost.
人们能够质疑我们的政府而且让它负责 You know, the people being able to question our government and hold it accountable.
这是美国建立的原则 that's the principle that the United States of America was founded on.
所以如果我们想要保护我们的国家安全 So, if we want to protect our national security
我们应该要保证这个原则 we should be protecting that principle.
如果你的论证没有被听到 如果我们的领导人不做出行动呢 What if your argument falls on deaf ears, what if our leaders don't act?
果然字幕组
我相信如果没有改变 I believe that if nothing changes,
世界上越来越多的人会站出来的 more and more people all over the world will come forward.
告密者们 记者们 还有普通市民们 Whistleblowers and journalists, but also regular citizens.
当当权者试图把所有东西分类 And when those in power try to hide
以藏起来的时候 我们会叫他们出来 by classifying everything, we will call them out on it.
当他们试图威胁要牺牲掉我们的基本人权的时候 And when they try to scare us into sacrificing our basic human rights,
我们不会被吓倒 也不会放弃 we won't be intimidated. And we won't give up.
更不会沉默 And we will not be silenced.
你独自一人在外国 如果你试图离开就会被引渡回来 You're alone in a foreign country. You'll be extradited if you try to leave.
那一定很艰苦 That must be hard.
当我离开夏威夷的时候 我失去了 When I left Hawaii, I lost...
所有东西 ...everything.
我曾有一个稳定的生活 You know, I had a stable life.
稳定的爱人 家庭 未来 Stable love. Family. Future.
我失去了那样的生活 但 And I lost that life, but...
我获得了一个新的 ...I've gained a new one.
我非常的幸运 And I'm incredibly fortunate.
并且我想 And I think,
我拥有的最伟大的自由是我不再需要去担心 the greatest freedom that I've is the fact that I no longer have to worry about
明天会发生什么 因为我对于我今天做的十分满意 what happens tomorrow, because I'm happy with what I've done today.
以上是网上直播的爱德华 斯诺登 Live from the Internet, Edward Snowden.
时至今日 爱德华 斯诺登住在莫斯科
林赛 米尔斯搬去了跟他一起住
你对他的看法有改变吗 他更多的是个告密者还是黑客呢 Has your mind changed about him? Is he now more of a whistleblower than he is a hacker?
爱德华 斯诺登会怎么样 他会死在莫斯科 What is going to happen to Edward Snowden? -He's gonna die in Moscow.
他不会回家 He's not coming home.
斯诺登 他是个叛徒还是个英雄 Snowden, is he a traitor or a hero?
他盗窃了非常重要的信息 He stole very important information.
今晚有个重大新闻 We have breaking news tonight.
报告中 与国会一起努力 改变国安局采集电话记录的方式 Among the reports, work with Congress to change how the NSA collects phone records.
允许监视的秘密法院 ...more transparency by the secret court
变得透明 that regularly approves the surveillance...
这是爱德华 斯诺登的胜利吗 这将会取决于旁观者的看法 Is it a victory for Edward Snowden? That's gonna depend on the eye of the beholder.
美国政府的行为的违法的 The American government was acting illegally.
我不认为他不接受应有的惩罚就能回家 I don't think he should be brought home without facing the music.
斯诺登在教育美国人民我们的文明自由和宪法权利 Snowden played a very important role in educating the American people
被很大程度地暗中破坏里担任了一个十分重要的角色 to the degree in which our civil liberties and our constitutional rights are being undermined.
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