WITH US.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
♪ ♪
>> Tucker: GOOD EVENING AND
WELCOME TO "TUCKER CARLSON
TONIGHT."
HERE IS A QUICK CIVICS
LESSON.
WHAT IS POLITICS? I
POLITICS IS A SYSTEM THAT
ALLOWS PEOPLE WHO VIOLENTLY
DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER TO
REACH COMPROMISE WITHOUT
SHEDDING BLOOD.
IT'S WORKED WELL FOR A LONG
TIME IN THIS COUNTRY.
BUT WHEN ONE SIDE DECIDES IT
IS NO LONGER WILLING TO
COMPROMISE, THAT SYSTEM
BREAKS DOWN.
WITHOUT COMPROMISE YOU NO
LONGER HAVE POLITICS.
INSTEAD HAVE YOU AN
ESPECIALLY FANATICAL FORM OF
RELIGIOUS BELIEF.
ISIS, FOR EXAMPLE, IS NOT A
POLITICAL ORGANIZATION.
ITS LEADERS REJECT
ACCOMMODATION OF ANY KIND.IO
ITS LEADERS ASSUME THAT
EVERYTHING THEY DO HAS THE
APPROVAL OF A HIGHER POWER.
THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE.OW
THEY KNOW THAT.
THEY KNOW THEIR BELIEFS ARE NOT
SIMPLY CORRECT, THEY ARE THE
ONLY POSSIBLE BELIEFS.
ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH
THEM IS BY DEFINITION
IMMORAL.
A SYSTEM LIKE THAT DOES NOT
ALLOW FOR THE POSSIBILITY
THAT GOOD PEOPLE MIGHT BE
MISTAKEN ONCE IN A WHILE OR
REACH DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS
SINCERELY.
PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT
OPINIONS ARE, AGAIN BY
DEFINITION, BAD PEOPLE.
IN FACT, THEY MAY NOT BE PEOPLE
AT ALL, THEY MIGHT BE
SUBHUMAN.
THEY MUST BE CONVERTED, HAD
TO THE FAITH OR CRUSHED AND
ELIMINATED THIS IS NOT AN
AMERICAN WAY OF LOOKING AT
THE WORLD AND YET, SUDDENLY,
IT'S EVERYWHERE.
UNFORTUNATELY NOW DEFINES
PARTS OF THE MODERN
DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
JOE BIDEN DIDN'T KNOW.
THIS BIDEN HAS BEEN THE
DEMOCRATIC POLITICS ALL OF
HIS LIFE.
HE HAS TAKEN THE LAST COUPLE
YEARS OFF.
FLYING AROUND THE WORLD
GETTING RICH BY GIVING HIGH
PRICE SPEECHES.
BY THE TIME BIDEN DECIDED HEG
WANTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT
YET AGAIN, HIS PARTY HAD
CHANGED COMPLETELY.
BUT NOBODY HAD TOLD HIM.
HE MADE THE MISTAKE THE
OTHER DAY ABOUT SAYING THIS
ABOUT MIKE PENCE.
>> THE FACT OF THE MATTER
IS, FOLLOWED ON BY A GUY IS
A DECENT GUY.
OUR VICE PRESIDENT.
WHO STOOD BEFORE THIS GROUP
OF ALLIES AND LEADERS AND
SAID, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
THERE WAS DEAD SILENCE, DEAD
SILENCE.
>> Tucker: "IS HE A DECENT
GUY," BIDEN SAID OF PENCE.
THAT'S AN OLD FASHIONED WAY
TO TALK.
THAT'S HOW PEOPLE IN
POLITICAL WASHINGTON USED TO
TALK ABOUT EACH OTHER.
IT WAS ONE WAY THAT THEYEY
REMINDED THEMSELVES POLITICS
IS IMPORTANT BUT IT'S NOT
EVERYTHING.
EVERY POLITICAL OPPONENT IS
ALSO, ON SOME LEVEL ANYWAY, A
HUMAN BEING AND A FELLOW
AMERICAN.
OUR COMMON HUMANITY IS
STRONGER THAN OUR POLITICAL
DIFFERENCES.HAHA
THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTION THAT
THEY HAD, AND HAVE HAD SINCE
THE CIVIL WAR.
AND THE ASSUMPTION WE
HAVE TO HAVE IF WE ARE GOING
TO LIVE IN THE SAME COUNTRY.
CINDY NIXON FORMER ACTOR AND NOW
A POLITICAL EXTREMIST.
TWITTER YELLING AT PEOPLE.
SPENDS A LOT OF TIME ON
SHE WAS ENRAGED.
CYNTHIA NIXON DISAGREES WITH
MIKE PENCE'S VIEWS ON GAY
RIGHTS QUESTION.
THEREFORE SHE KNOWS PENCE
CANNOT BE A DECENT PERSON.
IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.
SHE TOLD JOE BIDEN THIS ON
TWITTER.
JOE BIDEN HAD NO CHOICE BUT
TO AGREE WITH HER.
YOU ARE RIGHT, CYNTHIA, BIDEN
WROTE BACK.
THERE IS NOTHING DECENT
ABOUT BEING ANTI-LBGTQ RIGHT
AND THAT INCLUDES THE VICE
PRESIDENT.
PEOPLE USE TO SAY JOE BIDEN
WAD WAS A DECENT GUY, TOO.
ONLY THOSE WITH THE PROGRAM
AND APPOSE TATES WHO DEVIATE
FROM THE LATER.
SHE IS A STAUNCH
PROGRESSIVE.
SHE DOES HOLD HETERO DOCKS
OPINIONS WITH.
THIS DOESN'T BILL KRISTOL.
SHE AGREES SHE WANTS TO KEEP
THE U.S. OUT OF POINTLESS
FOREIGN CONFLICTS AND
INSTEAD FOCUS ON DOMESTIC
CONCERNS.
AND FOR HAVING THAT OPINION SHE
HAS ALMOST BEEN EXPELLED
FROM HER OWN PARTY.
WATCH.
>> THEY HAVE DISMISSED YOU
AS SUCKING UP TO DICTATOR
AND A BAD PERSON, IS BASICALLY
WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
HAS ANYBODY ACTUALLY DEBATED
YOU ON THE POINTS THAT YOU
ARE MAKING?
>> NO.
NO.
CONSTANTLY I SEE AGAIN
PEOPLE FROM BOTH PARTIES,
INSTEAD, RESORTING TO
NAME-CALLING OR SUPERFICIAL
ATTACKS BECAUSE THEY REFUSE B
TO ENGAGE ON THE SUBSTANCE
OF THIS ARGUMENT ABOUT WHY
THEY CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR
AND TRY TO WAGE THESE REGIME
CHANGE WARS, IGNORING THE
DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES ON
THE PEOPLE IN THOSE
COUNTRIES AND THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
>> Tucker: SO THAT SUDDENLY
A VERY CONTROVERSIAL
THING TO SAY IN THE MODERN
DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
A PLACE WHERE THERE IS NO
ROOM FOR DISSENT ANYWHERE ON
ANY ISSUE.
ON WEDNESDAY, FOR EXAMPLE,
HANDFUL OF DEMOCRATS JOINED
WITH REPUBLICANS TO ADD AN
AMENDMENT TO A UNIVERSAL
BACKGROUND CHECKS BILL IN
THE HOUSE.
THAT AMENDMENT H WOULD REQUIRE
REPORTING A GUN BUYER TO
ICE IF THAT BUYER IS AN
ILLEGAL ALIEN.
A GROUP THAT IS NOT ALLOWED
TO BUY GUN NOTICE UNITED
STATES.
IN A CLOSED DOOR MEETING
AFTER THE VOTE, THE
DEMOCRATS WHO JOINED WITH
REPUBLICANS ON THAT WERE
REPORTEDLY DENOUNCED BY
PARTY LEADERSHIP FOR THEIR
RACISM.
THE PARTY'S NEW IDEOLOGICAL
ENFORCER, ALEXANDRIA
OCASIO-CORTEZ WARNED THAT
DEMOCRATS WHO HELPED
REPUBLICANS IN ANY WAY WOULD
GO ON A "RISK" AND WOULD
HAVE PRIMARY CHALLENGES NEXT
TIME THEY RAN.
THAT'S WHAT EXTREMISM LOOKS LIKE
THE ENEMY IS 100 PERCENT WRONG
AND WE ARE 100 PERCENT RIGHT
ALWAYS THEY ARE GOING TO
HELL AND WE ARE SAFE.
>> WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IS
A SIN AGAINST GOD.
I BELIEVE THAT.
>> JESUS SAID SUFFER THE
LITTLE CHILDREN UNTO ME.
HE DID NOT SAY, LET THE
CHILDREN SUFFER.
>> A TIME IN WHICH WE
CELEBRATE THE BIRTH OF JESUS
CHRIST, THANK GOD THERE WASN'T A
WALL THAT STOPPED HIM FROM
SEEKING REFUGE IN EGYPT.
THANK GOD THAT WALL WASN'T
THERE, AND THANK GOD THERE
WASN'T AN ADMINISTRATION
LIKE THIS.
>> WE ARE DOING THE LORD'S WORK
BY MINISTERING TO THE NEEDS OF
GOD'S CREATION, THEY ARE
IGNORING THOSE NEEDS WHICH
IS TO DISHONOR THE GOD WHO
MADE THEM.
>> Tucker: WE ARE DOING
GOD'S WILL AND WE ARE ON
GOD'S SIDE.
GOD LOVES US.
GOD DOES NOT LOVE THE OTHER
SIDE.
THEY ARE SINNERS.
THEY ARE GOING AGAINST GOD'S
WILL.
IN FACT, YOU KNOW WHAT?
THEY COULD BE NAZIS.
>> THIS IS THE UNITED STATES
OF GERMANY.
THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA.
IT ISN'T NAZI GERMANY.
>> BOTTOM LINE, DONALD TRUMP
INCREASINGLY LOOKS LIKE
HITLER AND NAZI, GERMANY.
>> MUCH LIKE HITLER TOOK
OVER THE NAZI PARTY, TRUMP
HAS TAKEN OVER THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.,
>> IF YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP,
THEN YOU, THE VOTER, YOU,
NOT DONALD TRUMP, AREOU
STANDING AT THE BORDER LIKE
NAZIS GOING YOU HERE, YOU
HERE.
>> THEY ARE THE TACTICS BEENRE
USED THROUGH HISTORY BY THE
WORST PURVEYORS OF PURE EVIL
INCLUDING SLAVE TRADERS AND
NAZIS AND TERRORISTS.
>> Tucker: WHAT YOU ARE
LOOKING AT IS NOT POLITICS,
IT'S A CULT.
NUANCE IS THE ENEMY.
ACCOMMODATION IS A SIN.
ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS OR
THINK TOO MANY INDEPENDENT
THOUGHTS AND YOU WILL BE
DENOUNCED AND WIND UP ON
ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ'S
LIST.
WE REJECT THIS COMPLETELY. A
IT'S TOTALITARIAN.
IT'S ALSO STUPID AND BORING.
IT'S A REPLACEMENT FOR
THOUGHT.
BY THE WAY, DESTROYING A
COUNTRY AS WELL. W
WE WILL ALWAYS WELCOME
PEOPLE WE DISAGREE WITH ON
TO THIS SHOW.
WE ASSUME THEY ARE DECENT
PEOPLE. S
BY THE WAY, MOSTLY THEY ARE
DECENT PEOPLE.
WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO FIND
COMMON GROUND WITH THEM AND
ANYONE ELSE WHENEVER WE CAN
BECAUSE WHY WOULDN'T WE?
THAT'S WHY YOU WILL OFTEN
SEE SINCERE LEFTISTS ON THIS
SHOW TREATED WITH RESPECT.
TULSI GABBARD.
GREENWALD, MANY OTHERS.
WE DISAGREE WITH THESE
PEOPLE ON A LOT OF THINGS
THAT'S THE POINT.
BUT NOT ON EVERYTHING, AND
BUT MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL,
THEY ARE AMERICANS JUST LIKE
WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT
US AND THAT MATTERS MOST.
DAVID BURSTEIN IS CO-FOUNDER
JOINS US TONIGHT.
OF RUN FOR AMERICA AND HE
THANKS FOR COMING ON. R
I UNDERSTAND THAT BIDEN
WANTS TO APPEAL TO THE BASE
AND THE BASE IS MAD AT
TRUMP.
I GET IT.
BUT SINCE HE IS AN ADULT OVER 7S
AND HE HAS BEEN AT THIS A LONG
TIME, WOULDN'T THIS BE A PERFECT
FOR MOMENT FOR HIM TO SAY
WAIT A SECOND, I KNOW MIKE
PENCE, I DISAGREE WITH HIM ON
GAY RIGHTS AND PROBABLY
THOUSANDS OF OTHER THINGS, BUT
HE IS A DECENT MAN.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW
YOUR OPPONENT IS A DECENT
MAN OR ELSE WE HAVE WAR.
WHY DIDN'T HE SAY THAT?
>> I THINK IS HE RECOGNIZING
WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC BASE IS
AT AT THE MOMENT, RIGHT?
AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG
PROBLEM FOR HIM AND HIS
DESIRE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
I AGREE WITH YOU.
>> Tucker: RIGHT?
I THINK THERE IS ALSO, YOU
>> RIGHT?
KNOW BLURRING AS YOU JUST
POINTED OUT WHEN IT HAS TO
COME TO ISSUES WITH LBGT
RIGHTS.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THAT
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT.
PEOPLE DO FEEL -- AND MIKE
PENCE'S POSITION DO SUGGEST
TO MANY PEOPLE THAT WE
SHOULD BE TREATING PEOPLE
INDECENTLY.
>> Tucker: HOLD ON --
>> BUT THAT SHOULD NOT BE A
CASE FOR SAYING THAT MIKE
PENCE IS A TERRIBLE PERSON.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EVEN IF HE IS BEING
INDECENT TO OTHER PEOPLE.
>> Tucker: THERE ARE A LOT
OF OPINIONS THAT I THINK ARE
INDECENT THAT ARE A POLICY
OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
I CAN NAME A LOT OF THEM
BEGINNING WITH ABORTION.
I FEEL THAT AS STRONGLY AS
ANY LBGT ACTIVIST FEELS
ABOUT HIS SET OF ISSUES.
I ALSO BELIEVE AND I THINK I
AM REQUIRED TO BELIEVE THAT
CAN BE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE.Y
PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME
THEY JUST REACH A DIFFERENT
SET OF CONCLUSIONS.
THE DEMOCRATIC BASE DOES NOT
BELIEVE THAT.
THAT'S A TOTALITARIAN BELIEF.
IT'S A THREAT TO THE COUNTRY
AND RECIPE FOR CIVIL WAR.
WHY DOESN'T SOME ADULT COME
IN AND SAY SETTLE DOWN, AOC?
OTHER PEOPLE ARE STILL
PEOPLE EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE
WITH THEM.
NO ONE IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO DO
THAT.
>> LOOK, I MEAN, I WILL SAY
THAT.
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE
SHOULD BE ENGAGED IN THIS
BUT I WILL SAY THAT I THINK
PEOPLE FEEL EMBOLDENED BY
THEIR CONSTITUENCIES.
AOC IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEONEEO
WHO RAN NOT ON A POSITION OF
COMPROMISE.
SHE DID NOT RUN FOR OFFICE
SAYING --
>> Tucker: YOU ARE RIGHT.
>> SAYING WE SHOULD
COMPROMISE AND WORK ALONG.
>> JOE BIDEN IS TRYING TO
RUN IN THAT VEIN, RIGHT?
HE GOT IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING
HOW HE LIKED THE REPUBLICAN
FED UPTON IN MICHIGAN IT
COST THAT PERSON THE
ELECTIONS IN A SWING SEAT.
THE REALITY IS SHE IS SAYING
I AM FOR THIS, I AM GOING TO BE
RADICAL.
I BELIEVE THE PROBLEMS OF
OUR TIME REQUIRE RADICAL
SOLUTIONS AND I'M NOT
INTERESTED IN WHAT OTHER
PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY.
THAT'S WHAT HER -- YOU COULD
EASILY SAY THAT'S WHAT HER
CONSTITUENTS VOTED FOR.SI
>> Tucker: I MEAN LIKE 20%ke
OF HER DISTRICT EVEN VOTED.
>> THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM.
>> Tucker: BUT YOU MAKE A FAIR
POINT.
WHAT I'M SAYING THAT'S
DANGEROUS. Y
SHE IS INFLUENTIAL PERSON.
SOME OF HER POLICIES ARE
INTERESTING.
WE SHOULD DEBATE THEM.
BUT IF WE BEGUN WITH THE
ASSUMPTION ANYONE WHO
DISAGREES WITH ANYTHING IS
NOT FULLY HUMAN, THEN WHY
DON'T WE OR IS HE INDECENT
OR IMMORAL.
IF WE START FRAMING
EVERYTHING AS A MORAL
QUESTION THEN WHY DON'T WE
END UP SHOOTING EACH OTHER,
SINCERELY?
>> I THINK, TO BE FAIR, THAT I
WOULDN'T SAY ANY DEMOCRAT IN
OFFICE THINKS REPUBLICANS
ARE IMMORAL ON EVERY SINGLE
ISSUE.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES
YOU PLAYED IN THAT CLIP REELL
THOSE THINGS HAVE COME UP
AND NOT COINCIDENTAL THAT
SOME OF THOSE ISSUES ARE
ISSUES ABOUT CHILDREN AT THE
BORDER, THERE ARE QUESTIONS
ABOUT LBGT RIGHTS.
>> Tucker: WHATEVER, SPARE ME.
THERE ARE ISSUES THAT I FEEL
ABOUT THEY ARE MORAL ISSUES.
I GET THAT.
>> HAVING A MORAL ISSUE IS
ALSO NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE
ARE INDECENT PEOPLE.
>> Tucker: WHAT WE'RE
ARGUING ABOUT IS NOT
SALVATION.
POLITICAL PARTIES CAN'T KEEP
YOU FROM GOING TO HELL AND
THEY CAN'T BRING TO YOU
SALVATION.
THEY CAN ONLY PASS LAWS AND
FORM POLICY.
>> I THINK SOME OF THOSE
PEOPLE IN THAT CLIP SHOULD
BE REMINDED OF THAT.
>> Tucker: THAT'S MY POINT,
EXACTLY!
THAT THIS IS NOT A RELIGION
AND IF WE START PRETENDING
THAT IT IS, WE ABET
EXTREMISM AND WE ARE GOING
TO WIND UP REAPING THE
WHIRLWIND FROM THAT KIND OF
CRAP. W
BUT OUR LEADERS SAY, THE OTHER
SIDE IS IMMORAL?
REALLY, THEY'RE NAZIS?
WHAT DO YOU DO TO NAZIS?
>> LET'S BE HONEST HOW
REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN ON
THIS ISSUE.
WOULD YOU NOT SAY THAT
REPUBLICANS HAVE USED
THESE SAME LANGUAGE ON THE
>> Tucker: YES, THEY HAVE.
PART OF DEMOCRATS?
YES, SOME OF THEM HAVE.
AND I HATE THAT CRAP.
BUT THE LEADERS OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE NEVER
DONE THAT THE PEOPLE LIKE --
RONALD REAGAN NEVER SAID OUR
OPPONENTS ARE EVIL. AY
OKAY?
>> THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
>> Tucker: BY THE WAY, YOU
MAKE A FAIR POINT IF AOC IS
A BIT OF A SIDE SHOW, NANCY
PELOSI SHOULD NOT BE TALKING
THAT WAY.
>> AND SHE -- YOU PLAYED A
CLIP THERE.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S
NOT HER DEMEANOR.
IT IS REFLECTIVE OF A NEW
GENERATION OF PEOPLE BECAUSE
YOU SEE BIDEN, YOU SEE
PEOPLE LIKE.
>> Tucker: I GET IT, THEY
ARE ZEALOTS!
THE REVOLUTION ALWAYS EATS
ITSELF.
I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAST
WORD.
>> THE POLITICAL RHETORIC IN
THIS COUNTRY HAS CHANGED.
IT HAS HEATED UP AND IMPORTANT
THAT THEY STAND WITH THEIR
CONSTITUENTS AND WHAT THOSE
PEOPLE BELIEVE.
>> Tucker: SCARY, I THINK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD LUCK WITH THE
REVOLUTION.
ROBERT IS AN ATTORNEY AND
RADIO HOST AND HE JOINS US.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
COMING ON.
I WOULD JUST THROW THAT TO
YOU.
AND YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT, A
LIBERAL.
I ASSUME YOU AGREE
WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOUR
PARTY SAYS, BUT IS IT HELPFUL
TO FRAME EVERY ISSUE AS A
MORAL IMPERATIVE?
WHERE THERE IS NO GRAY AND NO
POTENTIAL FOR COMPROMISE?
>> I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS
PEOPLE ARE NOT MONOLITHIC IN
THEIR THOUGHT.
JUST BECAUSE YOU IDENTIFY
WITH A PARTY DOES NOTEC MEAN
THERE IS NOT DIVERSITY IN
THAT PARTY.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD
BELIEVE THAT DONALD TRUMP
AND MITT ROMNEY AGREE ON
FISCAL ISSUES FOR EXAMPLE.
WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, PEOPLE IN
THEIR OWN DISTRIBUTION HAVE
TO DO WHAT THEIR
CONSTITUENTS.
IF YOU ARE FROM A RED STATE
OR SOMEONE LIKE ME PRO-GUN,
PRO-LIFE FISCALLY
CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT, THEN
MAYBE AOC ISN'T THE
CANDIDATE FOR YOU.
BUT WE HAVE TO LEAVE SPACE FOR
ALL THOSE THINGS TO BREATHE.
LET'S NOT ACT AS REPUBLICANS
WEREN'T DOING EXACTLY THIS
IN 2010 AND 2012 WHEN THEY
SAID OBAMACARE WAS WORSE THAN
SLAVERY.D
WHERE YOU HAD PEOPLE SAYING
TO OBAMA, YOU LIE IN THE
CHAMBER OF HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS
TAMP DOWN THE RHETORIC ON
THE EXTREMES.
THE NORMAL EVERY DAY
AMERICANS, THE PEOPLE WHO
JUST WANT CLEAN AIR, CLEAN
WATER, A JOB, GOOD EDUCATION
FOR THEIR CHILDREN DO NOT
CARE ABOUT THIS STUFF ON THE
EXTREME.
THEY WANT PEOPLE TO COME
TOGETHER AND FIND A
COMPROMISE ON IMMIGRATION
AND BORDER SECURITY.RA
BUT THE FREEDOM CAUCUS AND MARK
MEADOWS BLOCKED THAT IN
2013.
WE COULD HAVE HAD A
COMPROMISE BILL.
>> Tucker: I BASICALLY AGREE
WITH YOU.
AS SORT OF A MATTER OF
POLICY, I DON'T THINK WE
SHOULD BE YELLING FROM THE
AUDIENCE NO MATTER WHO IT
IS.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE
YELLING AT THE PRESIDENT
AT THE STATE OF THE UNION.
SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP AND
WHY KNOW THE FACTS OF IT.
THAT MEMBER OF CONGRESSS
YELLED AT OBAMA WHEN HE SAID
ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL NEVER
GET GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE.
THE NEW GOVERNMENT
HEALTHCARE PLAN, DEMOCRATS
NOW SUPPORT OVER 100
CO-SPONSORS, GIVES GOVERNMENT
HEALTHCARE TO ILLEGAL ALIENS
AND SO DOES OBAMACARE. S
CAN WE AT LEAST AT ADMIT HE
WAS LYING AS A FACTUAL
MATTER?DL
[LAUGHS]
>> REGARDLESS OF THE FACTUAL
MATTER IN THAT CASE BECAUSE --
[LAUGHTER]
>> REMEMBER, THIS IS STILL
FIVE OR SIX YEARS LATER.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LEVEL OF
RESPECT AND A LEVEL OF
DECORUM.
>> PROFESSIONALISM.>>
>> Tucker: I AGREE WITH YOU.
>> I AGREE THERE IS A E
DIFFERENT WAY TO EXPRESS.
>> 90% OF US IN THE MIDDLE
WHO AREN'T ON THE 5% OF THE
TEA PARTY EXTREME OR
SOCIALIST EXTREME.E.
WE JUST WANT TO GET THINGS
DONE IN AMERICA AND GET
THINGS DONE IN CONGRESS.
AND WHAT THESE EXTREMISTS HAVE
TO UNDERSTAND IS YOU HAVE TO
PUT TOGETHER A LEGISLATIVE
GOVERNING COALITION.
YOU CAN'T DO IT BY YOURSELF.
YOU CAN'T JUST PUSH THROUGH
ALL THESE CRAZY POLICIES
BECAUSE GUESS WHAT?
IF BERNIE SANDERS OR
ELIZABETH WARREN BECOME THE
DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE THEY
THERE ARE GOING TO BE LOT OF
BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS IN THE
CENTER LIKE ME WHO ABANDON
THE PARTY.
>> Tucker: I THINK THEY ARE
GOING TO PURGE YOU FIRST,
ROBERT. T
I THINK YOU ARE IN TROUBLE.
THEY ARE GOING TO COME TO
YOU.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOU COMING ON
OUR SHOW BEFORE THAT
HAPPENS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANKS, TUCKER.
>> Tucker: SO ONCE YOU
UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ACTUALLY
HAPPENING, YOU REALIZE THAT
ALL THESE ISSUES, GUN
CONTROL, THE GREEN NEW DEAL,
MEDICARE FOR ALL, THERE IS A
THREAD THAT CONNECTS THEM ALL.
AND THAT'S POWER.
WHAT YOU ARE WATCH SOMETHING
A COMPLETE TAKEOVER OF THE
AMERICAN ECONOMY AND AMERICA
BY A POLITICAL PARTY. P
HEALTHCARE IS NEXT, AND
THAT'S OUR TOPIC AFTER THE
BREAK.K.
♪ ♪
>> Tucker: THE GREEN NEW
DEAL IS NOT THE ONLY PIECE
OF LEGISLATION THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOW
PUSHING IN ITS EFFORT TO
TAKE OVER THE UNITED STATES
ECONOMY AND YOUR PERSONAL
LIFE.
DEMOCRATS ALSO A BILL TO
TAKE OVER HEALTHCARE.
IT'S CALLED THE MEDICARE FOR
ALL BILL AND HAS OVER 100
CO-SPONSORS IN THE HOUSE..
THAT'S A LOT IF YOU WANT
PERSPECTIVE.
THE BILL AMONG OTHER THINGS
WOULD BAN PRIVATE HEALTH
INSURANCE.
SO TO PARAPHRASE PRESIDENTL
OBAMA, IF YOU LIKE YOUR PLAN
YOU DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE
ABLE TO KEEP YOUR PLAN.
THE PROJECTED PRICE TAG FOR THIS
NO ONE REALLY KNOWS.
HERE IS ONE ESTIMATE.
$32 TRILLION OVER THE NEXT
DECADE.. I
BUT, COST IS NO OBJECT AS
THEY OFTEN TELL US.
CHRIS HAHN IS A RADIO HOST
HE JOINS US TONIGHT.
THANK YOU BY THE WAY FOR
COMING ON.
I KNOW THAT YOU SUPPORT SINGLE
PAIR.
>> ANY TIME.
>> Tucker: LOTS OF POLLS SHOW
AMERICANS WANT GUARANTEED
HEALTHCARE.
SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION
WHETHER THAT'S POPULAR.
IT IS.
THE QUESTION HOW TO GET TO IT.
I WONDER HOW CAN YOU SELL A
BILL THAT MAKES IT ILLEGAL
FOR MOST PEOPLE TO PAY
DOCTORS OUT OF THEIR OWN
POCKET IF THEY WANT TO.
THAT'S A LITTLE FASCIST IS
IT NOT?
>> I DON'T THINK THERE ISUS
ANY BILLS SERIOUS OF PASSING
THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW PEOPLE
WITH THEIR OWN MONEY TO DO
ANYTHING THEY WANT WITH
THEIR OWN DOCTOR.
>> Tucker: HOLD ON.
LET'S DISCUSS THE BILL
THAT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE
HOUSE GOING TO HAVE 160
CO-SPONSORS NOT SOME FRINGE
THING BY CYNTHIA MCKINNEY OR
WHATEVER.
THIS IS LIKE A REAL THING.
OVER 100 DEMOCRATS AND IT
AUTO WOULD NOT ALLOW PRIVATE
CONTRACTS BETWEEN CITIZENS
AND FITTINGS.
LIKE, WHAT?
>> YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE
THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE
THE FINAL BILL THAT WOULD
EVER PASS.
BUT I DO SUPPORT MEDICARE FOR
ALL, AND I THINK THAT THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD LIKE
TO SEE ALL AMERICANS
COVERED.D.
PROPOSE, REPUBLICANS ARE
AND WHATEVER THE DEMOCRATS
GOING TO CALL IT SOCIALISM,
JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH
OBAMACARE, WHICH IS CLEARLY
NOT SOCIALISM.
>> I'M ANTI-SLOGAN.
I DON'T WANT TO THROW
SLOGANS AROUND.
>> GOOD, ME TOO.
>> Tucker: MEAT OF THE
LEGISLATION PENDING IN THE HOUSE
OF REPRESENTATIVES TONIGHT,
AGAIN, THAT HAS OVERWHELMING
SUPPORT FROM YOUR PARTY.ND
SO, THAT LEGISLATION AS
NOTED TWO TIMES PREVIOUSLY
WOULD BAN PRIVATE CONTRACTS
BETWEEN CITIZENS AND
PHYSICIANS.
IT WOULD ALSO PAY FOR
ABORTION NOW YOU ARE GOING
TO TELL ME MOST AMERICANS
SUPPORT ROE V. WADE.
DO MOST AMERICANS SUPPORT
USING FEDERAL DOLLARS TO PAY
FOR ABORTION UP TO BIRTH?
I DON'T THINK THEY DO, NOT
EVEN CLOSE.
>> NO.
>> Tucker: SO WHY INCLUDE THAT?
>> LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE
THERE USED TO BE A TIME IN
AMERICA WHERE WE HAD A
LEGISLATIVE PROCESS WHERE
PEOPLE WOULD PROPOSE THINGS
IDEAS WOULD PROPOSE OTHER
AND PEOPLE WHO HAD DIFFERENT
THINGS WE WOULD MEET IN THE
MIDDLE.
NOW PEOPLE PROPOSE THINGS,
AND THEN PEOPLE JUST SAYTH
THAT'S SOCIALISM, THAT'S
ABOUT ABORTION.
THAT IS BAD.
THAT IS EVIL.
JUST -- I'M NOT SAYING YOUAY
ARE, I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE.
YOUR FIRST SEGMENT IS VERY
BUT THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD IN
SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
IN AMERICA TODAY.
PEOPLE PROPOSE LEGISLATION
IT BECOMES A GOOD VS. EVIL
BATTLE INSTEAD OF DISCUSSING
THE MERITS OF THE POLICY AND
GET TO A PLACE WHERE ALL
AMERICANS CAN BE HAPPY.
>> Tucker: THIS IS THE MOST
STRAW MAN EVER CONSTRUCTED
I'M TRYING TO DO WHICH YOU
LAMENT IS NOT DONE ANYONE
ASSESS THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF
A PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT
WOULD FORCE TAXPAYERS TO PAY
FOR ABORTION UP TO BIRTH.
NOBODY -- THERE IS NO LARGE
GROUP OF AMERICANS THAT
WANTS THAT.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE A FREAKING
LUNATIC IDEALOGUE TO PUT THAT IN
A PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT?
>> YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO
REPEAL THE HYDE AMENDMENT
AND DO OTHER THINGS.
>> Tucker: WHY WOULD YOU PUT
THAT IN A BILL?
>> BECAUSE IF YOU ARE
PRO-CHOICE AND WRITING THE
BILL, YOU WOULD ADD THINGS
THAT SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.
PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTICHOICE
WOULD THEN TRY TO AMEND THAT
BILL TO GET TO A COMPROMISE M
TO GET 300 MEMBERS INSTEAD
OF 230 MEMBERS SUPPORTING A
BILL.
WHICH IS ALL WE PASS BILLS
ON IN THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES LAST COUPLE
WEEKS.ND
IT USED TO BE IN AMERICA
THAT YOU WOULD GET
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
SUPPORT OF A BILL.
PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE MINDED ANDHE
WANT TO HELP SOLVE A PROBLEM.
NOBODY WANTS TO SOLVE
PROBLEMS IN AMERICA ANYMORE.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
>> Tucker: MAYBE YOU SHOULD
WRITE BILLS THAT AREN'T
RIDDLED WITH TOTAL FRINGE
POSITIONS THAT ONLY CRAZY
PEOPLE SUPPORT.
REALLY.
>> MAYBE SHOULD SAY YOU KNOW
WHAT OR MAYBE PEOPLE ON THE
OTHER SIDE WOULD SAY TAKE
THAT OUT OF THE BILL AND I
WILL SUPPORT IT AND THEN WE
HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION
ABOUT HOW WE BRING A
HEALTHCARE TO ALL AMERICANS.
>> Tucker: OBVIOUSLY IF YOU LIKE
THIS YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED
IN IT..D
>> SPEND LESS MONEY ON
HEALTHCARE IN THIS COUNTRY.
LOOK, WE SPENT 16% OF G.D.P.
ON OUR HEALTHCARE.
THE AVERAGE OTHER COUNTRY
DOES.S
>> Tucker: THESE ARE TALKING
POINTS.
ANYONE WHO WRITES A PIECE OF
GARBAGE LIKE THIS IS NOT
INTERESTED IN SOLVING
PROBLEMS.
I THINK WE CAN BOTH AGREE ON
THAT.
>> NO.
>> CHRIS HAHN THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Tucker: LEAKED PHONE CALL
SHOWS HOW GOOGLE, THE MOST
POWERFUL COMPANY IN THE
HISTORY OF THE WORLD NOT
OPPOSED TO CONGRESS
APPARENTLY IN ITS POCKET.
GOOGLE TRIED TO CONTROL THE
CONSERVATIVE'S MOVEMENT ON
IMMIGRATION BY CPAC WITH OWN
PUPPET.
CPAC IS GOING ON.
LAST YEAR WE HAVE THE AUDIO
EXCLUSIVELY JUST AHEAD.
PLUS, A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATE HAS A WARNING
ABOUT ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE.
HE JOINING US.
WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM
JOIN US AFTER THE BREAK.
HE
>> Tucker: BIG TECH KNOWS ABOUT
YOU, IN SOME CASES MORE THAN YOU
KNOW ABOUT YOURSELF.YO
THEY KNOW WHERE YOU GO AND
WHAT YOU EAT.
MAYBE THEY KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
THE ONLY THING YOU CAN'T
CONTROL IS WHAT YOUR
THOUGHTS ARE BUT THEY AREOW
WORKING ON THAT, TOO.
OBTAINED EXCLUSIVELY BY THIS
IN A 2018 PHONE RECORDING
SHOW.
THE HEAD OF U.S. PUBLIC
POLICY EXPLAINS TO GOOGLE
EMPLOYEES COMPANY WAS
SPONSOR FOR CPAC THIS YEAR.
GOOGLE SPONSORED CPAC, HE
SAYS, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T LET
THEM PUSH THE PARTY TOWARD A
MORE OPEN BORDERS AGENDA.
LISTEN.
>> THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND
CONSERVATISM IN GENERAL IS
ALSO GOING THROUGH A LOT OF
INTERNAL DEBATE ABOUT WHAT
IT SHOULD BE THE SORT OF
POSITION OF THE PARTY AND I
THINK THAT'S ONE THAT WE
SHOULD BE INVOLVED INHI
BECAUSE WE, I THINK, WANT
PROBABLY, WANTS TO STEER
CONSERVATIVES AND
REPUBLICANS MORE TOWARDS A
MESSAGE OF LIBERTY AND
FREEDOM AND AWAY FROM THE
MORE NATIONALISTIC
INCENDIARY NATIVIST COMMENTS
AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> Tucker: GOOGLE HAS MORE
POWER THAN ANY COMPANY HAS EVER
HAD.
DATA RESERVES, TECHNOLOGY.
OF COURSE, THEY HAVE FINANCIAL
POWER AS ONE OF THE MARKET
CAP COMPANIES IN HISTORY.
IT ALSO INCREASINGLY HAS
POLITICAL POWER THOUGH THEY
TONIGHT TYPICALLY ADMIT IT
IN PUBLIC.
HE SAYS COMPANIES LIKE
GOOGLE ARE PLAYING "A
LEADERSHIP ROLE" IN AMERICAN
POLITICS.
HE BRAGGED THAT THE COMPANY
GOT A SUPPORT OF MASS
IMMIGRATION ON CPAC PANEL
AND THAT PERSON ARGUED IN
SUPPORT OF GOOGLE'S AGENDA.
SHOWS A LOT ABOUT BIG TECH'S
ATTITUDE THEY ARE IN
CONTROL.
ELECTRONICS, PARTIES,
DEMOCRACY JUST A HINDERANCE
TO THEIR CONTROL.
SO WE TOLD YOU A LOT ON THIS
SHOW ABOUT THE POTENTIAL
DANGERS OF BIG TECH.
SOME OF THOSE DANGERS ARE
IMMINENT AND TECHNOLOGICAL
AND THE MAIN ONE IS ROBOTICS
AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
REMARKABLY, THE PERSON, THE
POLITICAL FIGURE WHO ISNG
MAKING THE MOST SENSE ON
THIS SUBJECT, WHO HAS THOUGHT
ABOUT IT MOST DEEPLY, IS A
DEMOCRAT WHO IS RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT.
HE IS ANDREW YANG.G.
HE IS AN ENTREPRENEUR AND
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATE.
HE SAYS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
AND EXPANDED AUTOMATION COULD
POTENTIALLY CAUSE VIOLENCE
IN THIS COUNTRY AND WE NEED
TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
RIGHT NOW.
HE JOINS US TONIGHT.
THANKS VERY MUCH FORTO COMING
ON AND I MEANT THAT WITH
SINCERITY.Y..
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY IN
OUR POLITICAL CONVERSATION
DESCRIBE THE THREAT AS
CLEARLY AND COMPELLINGLY AS
YOU HAVE.
WHY SHOULD WOULD WE BE
WORRIED ABOUT AUTOMATION?
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK
DROP WE AUTOMATED AWAY
4 MILLION MANUFACTURING JOBS
IN MICHIGAN, OHIO,
PENNSYLVANIA, WISCONSIN,
MISSOURI, AND THOSE
COMMUNITIES HAVE NEVER
RECOVERED.
WHERE IF YOU LOOK
AT THE NUMBERS, HALF OF THE
WORKERS LEFT THE WORKFORCE
AND NEVER WORKED AGAIN, AND
THEN HALF OF THAT GROUPER
FILED FOR DISABILITY NOW
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
MANUFACTURING WORKERS IS
GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE TRUCK
DRIVERS, CALL CENTERS AND
FAST FOOD WORKERS ON AND ON
THROUGH THE ECONOMY AS WE
EVOLVE IN TECHNOLOGY
MARGINALIZES THE LABOR OF
MORE AND MORE AMERICANS.ucFE
>> Tucker: WHAT WILL THE
EFFECTS OF THAT BE?
THAT'S A MASSIVE
DISPLACEMENT OF PEOPLE.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN ONCE THAT
HAPPENS?
>> WELL, AS YOU SAID, I
THINK IT'S GOING TO BE
DISASTROUS.
WHERE IF YOU LOOK
AT TRUCK DRIVERS ALONE,
BEING A TRUCKER IS THE MOSTOR
COMMON JOB IN 29 STATES
THERE ARE 3.5 MILLION TRUCK
DRIVERS IN THIS COUNTRY.
AND MY FRIENDS IN SILICON
VALLEY ARE WORKING ON TRUCKS
THAT CAN DRY THEMSELVES
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE
MONEY IS WE CAN SAVE TENS,
EVEN HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS BY TRYING TO
AUTOMATE THAT JOB.
I WAS JUST WITH TRUCK
DRIVERS IN IOWA LAST WEEK
AND IMAGINING THAT COMMUNITY
RECOVERING FROM THEIR INCOME
GOING FROM LET'S CALL IT
$50,000 A YEAR TO MUCH, MUCH
LESS THAN THAT
CATASTROPHICALLY.
IT'S GOING TO BE A DISASTER
FOR MANY, MANY AMERICAN
COMMUNITIES.
>> Tucker: YOU ARE ONE OF
THE ONLY PEOPLE I HAVE MET
WHO IS HONEST ABOUT THE EFFECTS
OF DE-INDUSTRIALIZATION.
ALL BECOME COMPUTER
PROGRAMMERS THAT DIDN'T
HAPPEN.
MY QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE TO
SIT PASSIVELY BACK AND LET
THIS HAPPEN TO HAPPEN TO THE
COUNTRY?
>> THAT'S WHY I'M RUNNING
FOR PRESIDENT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE INSANE
TO WATCH THIS AUTOMATION
WAVE OVERTAKE OUR COUNTRY
AND ECONOMIES.
SO, WE ARE NOT OSTRICHES.
WE GET IT.
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS
REAL.ES
SELF-DRIVING CARS AND TRUCKS
TESTED ON THE HIGHWAYS RIGHT
NOW AND WE NEED TO EVOLVE
AND START PUSHING THE WAY WE
THINK OF ECONOMIC PROGRESS
TO INCLUDE HOW OUR FAMILIES
ARE DOING, HOW OUR CHILDREN
ARE DOING.,
AND THINGS THAT WOULD MATTER TOS
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
G.D.P. IS GOING TO LEAD US
OFF A CLIFF.
YOU KNOW, ROBOT TRUCKS ARE GREAT
FOR G.D.P.
TERRIBLE FOR MANY, MANY
GET WITH THE PROGRAM AND
AMERICAN COMMUNITIES.
FIGURE OUT HOW TO ACTUALLY
MAKE THIS ECONOMY WORK FOR
PEOPLE. Y
>> Tucker: I SIT WITH MY JAW
OPEN I AGREE WITH YOU SO
STRONGLY.
LET ME ASK YOU FINALLY WHYN'
ISN'T THIS A CENTRAL
EVERYBODY RUNNING FOR
QUESTION IN THE CAMPAIGNYB OF
PRESIDENT ON ANY SIDE, AND
WHY INSTEAD ARE THEY TALKING
ABOUT ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY
ARE KIND OF FRIVOLOUS?
WHY AREN'T THEY TALKING
ABOUT THIS?
>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION,
TUCKER.
ONE OF THE REASONS I'M
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IS TO
PUSH THIS IN THE CENTER OF
THE MAINSTREAM AGENDA WHERE
EVERY CANDIDATE SHOULD BE
TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE
GOING TO DO ABOUT THE FACT
THAT WE'RE AUTOMATING AWAY
THE MOST COMMON JOBS IN THE
ECONOMY RIGHT NOW.
AS WE ARE SITTING HERE
TOGETHER, THE LABOR FORCE
PARTICIPATION RATE IN THE
UNITED STATES IS 63.2%.
THE SAME LEVEL AS ECUADOR
AND COSTA RICA.
AND IF ANYONE THINKS THAT'S
WHERE AMERICA OUGHT TO BE,
THAT NUMBER IS EVEN GOING TO
BE FURTHER CHALLENGED WHENEN
ALL OF THIS TECHNOLOGY COMES
ONLINE.
WE HAVE TO MAKE AMERICA EMBRACE
THIS CHALLENGE OF THE 21st
CENTURY AND THEN TRY ANDND
ADDRESS IT TOGETHER AS A
PEOPLE.
>> Tucker: LAST QUESTION.
SHOULDN'T PEOPLE WHO CITE
UNEMPLOYMENT STATISTICS BE
PENALIZED FOR SAYING
SOMETHING SO STUPID?
>> YEAH.
WE HAVE A SERIES OF BAD
NUMBERS.
AND I REFER TO THE G.D.P. AS ONE
AND CERTAINLY HEADLINE
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS
COMPLETELY MISLEADING AND
ONE OF MY MANDATES AS
PRESIDENT IS I'M GOING TO
UPDATE THE NUMBERS.
SO THAT THEY ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE
TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT'S GOING
>> YES, YES.UR
ON.NC
OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T MAKE
WISE DECISIONS.
>> RIGHT NOW AGAIN AND YOU
KNOW.
THIS OUR LIFE EXPECTANCY HAS
DECLINED FIRST TIME IN 100
YEARS BECAUSE OF A SURGE IN
SUICIDES AND DRUG OVERDOSES.
HOW CAN YOU SAY AN ECONOMY
IS HEALTHY WHEN OUR PEOPLE
ARE DYING?
>> Tucker: I LITERALLY -- I
DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU THINK
ON THE OTHER ISSUES AND I JUST
SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAID SO
MUCH.
I APPRECIATE YOUR COMING ON.
>> THANK YOU, TUCKER, IT'S
GREAT TO BE HERE.
>> Tucker: THANK YOU.
MS-13 IS THE DEADLIEST GANG
IN AMERICA.
SOME APPARENTLY ARE PLANNING
TO ASSASSINATE LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
WE WILL INVESTIGATE WHAT'S
GOING ON AFTER THE BREAK.
♪ ♪
>> Tucker: MS-13 ISN'T REAL,
IT'S A FIGMENT OF YOUR BIGOTTED
IMAGINATION.
THE LEFT HAS TOLD YOU THAT A
THOUSAND TIMES.
SOMEHOW THIS IMAGINATIVE
GROUP IS NOW THANKS TO THEAT
IMMIGRATION IS NOW THE
DEADLIEST GANG.
THE NEWARK POLICE DEPARTMENT
IS WARNING ITS OFFICERS THEY
COULD BE PLOTTING AND THE
SUNG OF ASSASSINATION
ATTEMPTS EVEN IF THEY ARE
OFF DUTY BY MS-13.
TRACE GALLAGHER HAS MORE ON
THIS STORY.
TRACE?
S-
>> TUCKER, FOR ANYONE WHO
HAS COVERED MS-13 YOU KNOW
IT'S ALL ABOUT STREET
CREDIBILITY OR STREET CRED A
WAY OF RISING IN THE RANKS
BY TARGETING THE GANG'S
WORST ENEMIES OR BIGGEST
THREATS.
IN THIS CASE IT'S NEW YORK
CITY POLICE OFFICERS WHO
LIVE ON LONG ISLAND.
NYPD HAS NOW ISSUED AN
OFFICER SAFETY ALERT, AN
INTERNAL BULLETIN SAYING
THAT MS-13 GANG MEMBERS ARE
PLANNING ON CARRYING OUT
ATTACKS ON OFF DUTY POLICE
OFFICERS NEAR THEIR HOMES.
IN FACT, THE TRULY
FRIGHTENING PART FOR
OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES
IS THAT THE ALERT REPORTEDLY
STATES THAT GANG MEMBERS ARE
CONDUCTING RECONNAISSANCE OF
POLICE OFFICERS' PRIVATE
HOMES.
A FORMER FBI AGENT TOLD CBS
2 NEW YORK "THEY ARE
GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT
ANY OTHER GANG DOES AND THE
SCARY PART IS THAT WE
ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY
LEGITIMATELY CARRY OUT
THREATS AND ARE EXTREMELYGI
VIOLENT."
THE WARNING GOES ON TO
ADVISE POLICE OFFICERS WHO
LIVE ON LONG ISLAND TO TAKE
EXTRA PRECAUTION AND CHANGE
UP THEIR ROUTINES WHENEVER
POSSIBLE.
THE GANG'S REIGN OF TERROR
IS WELL DOCUMENTED BY A
SERIES OF BRUTAL AND BLOODY
ATTACKS IN QUEENS, NASSAU A
AND SUFFOLK COUNTIES IN NEW
YORK.S
AUTHORITIES NOTE THE GANG IS
NOTORIOUS FOR MURDER, DRUGS,
CHILD PROSTITUTION AND
RACKETEERING.
MS-13 IS MADE UP MOSTLY OF
SALVADORAN ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANTS.OR
THE GANG STARTED IN LOS
ANGELES AND SPREAD TO MAJOR
AMERICAN CITIES.
IN RECENT YEARS THE GANG HAS
SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE ACROSS
LONG ISLAND.
THEIR TACTICS AND TECHNIQUES
ARE SO BRUTAL THAT MS-13
MEMBERS ARE OFTEN RECRUITED
AS ENFORCERS FOR MAJOR
MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS.
TUCKER?AJ
>> Tucker: UNBELIEVABLE.NL
TRACE GALLAGHER, THANKS VERY
MUCH.
WELL, MURDEROUS GANG MEMBERS
NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM HERE IN
NEW YORK CITY.
THERE IS RAMPANT CORRUPTION,
TOO.
HERE'S ONE SHOCKING EXAMPLE.
THE MAYOR OF NEW YORK, BILL
DE BLASIO'S WIFE, HER NAME IS
CHARLENE McCREA, OVERSEES A
MASSIVE MENTAL HEALTH
PROJECT.
IT'S CALLED THRIVE NYC.
SOMEHOW THRIVE NYC FAILED TO
PROPERLY KEEP TRACK OF
$850 MILLION IN FUNDS.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THE
MONEY IS.SO
SETH BARRON IS AN
ASSOCIATE EDITOR AT CITY
JOURNAL.
PAYS CLOSEIT ATTENTION TO NEW
YORK CITY FOR US.
SETH, $850 MILLION, WHAT
DOES IT MEAN THEY CAN'T
ACCOUNT FOR IT?
>> A BILLION HERE, A BILLION
THERE.
SOON YOU'VE GOT REAL
MONEY.
THIS IS 250-MILLION-DOLLAR A
YEAR PROGRAM AND IT WAS ILL
CONCEIVED FROM THE
BEGINNING.
THRIVE NYC IS A MENTAL
WELLNESS PROGRAM.
SHIRLEY McCREA'S PET PROJECT
IS TO GET EVERYONE INTO
THERAPY.
GET EVERYBODY WHO IS SAD OR
LONELY OR A LITTLE ANXIOUS
TO GET THEM TREATMENT.
SO, SHE DEVISED THIS PROGRAM.
IT GOT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS,LA
CLOSE TO A BILLION DOLLARSE
IN FUNDING AND IT, YOU KNOW,
IT TRAINS PEOPLE IN HOW TO
OBSERVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AND
SEE IF THEY ARE SAD OR NOT
AND TEACHES TO YOU ENGAGE
WITH THEM IN CONVERSATION.
THERE IS A LOT OF
ADVERTISING.
THEY SET UP A PHONE BANK
WHERE YOU CAN CALL IF YOU
ARE FEELING SAD.
>> Tucker: I'M CONFUSED, IF I
AM A CASHIER AT WENDY'S AND
I CAN'T ACCOUNT AT THE END
OF THE NIGHT FOR 170 BUCKS,
I COULD BE BROUGHT UP ON
THEFT B CHARGES.
SO, WHERE -- I MEAN, THIS
SOUNDS LIKE THEFT TO ME.
IF THEY CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR
$850 MILLION, WHY IS NO ONE
IN JAIL?
>> NEW YORK CITY OUTSOURCES
A LOT OF ITS SOCIAL SERVICES
TO A WHOLE NETWORK OF
COMMUNITY BASED NONPROFITS
AND THESE ARE ORGANIZATIONS
THAT OFFER THE MAYOR
POLITICAL SUPPORT AND
BASICALLY DO WHATEVER IT IS
THAT HE, YOU KNOW, THEY
COME AND --
>> Tucker: IT'S A PATRONAGE
SYSTEM.IK
THESE GROUPS LIKELY WERE
PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS..
>> Tucker: THEY HAVE GOT TO
BE SHUTTING DOWN THE
PROGRAM, RIGHT?
>> THEY ARE NOT SHUTTING IT
DOWN, THEY ARE EXPANDING IT.TH
YOU KNOW, THEY ARE GOING TO
GET 250 THIS YEAR.
MAYBE 300.
>> Tucker: THEY ARE
EXPANDING IT?
>>00 YEAH.
>> Tucker: THERE IS REALLY NO
DOUBT.T.
SO NOT ONLY DUMB, CORRUPT,
PRESIDING OVER THE
DESTRUCTION OF NEW YORK
CITY, IS THERE A WORSE MAYOR
IN THE HISTORY OF THIS CITY?
>> MAYOR DE BLASIO HAS BEEN
VERY LUCKY.
HE HAS HAD A GREAT RUN WITH
THE ECONOMY AND TAX REVENUES
FLOWING.IT
SO, HE IS PROBABLY THE
LUCKIEST MAYOR IN NEW YORK
CITY.
[LAUGHTER]
HE NEVER HAD TO BUDGET.
>> Tucker: I GUESS THAT'S ALL
THAT MATTERS.
I HOPE SOMEONE LOOKS INTO
THIS.
NO ONE EVER WILL.
SETH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SETH BARRON.
A MARYLAND WOMAN WAS TRYING
TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT
SEGREGATION WHICH SHE PEG
CREATED A WHITES ONLY YOGA
CLUB.
NOW SHE IS GETTING VILIFIED.
PEOPLE ARE CLAIMING SHE IS
FOR THE THING THAT SHE WAS
AGAINST.
OF COURSE, SHE JOINS US
OFNEXT.
♪
♪ ♪
>> Tucker: MARYLAND
PRESIDENT PAT BROWN SPARKED
A WAVE OF OUTRAGE WHITE WOMEN
YOGA GROUP ON WEB SITE.
GROUP WAS QUOTE TO ALLOW
SPACE FOR WHITE WOMEN TO
GATHER IN THE NAME OF YOGA
SURROUNDED BY THE PEOPLE OF
WHITE PEOPLE, WHITE YOGA
INSTRUCTORS.
ANY GROUP.
THE GROUP SHE PUT ONLINE WAS
COMPLETELY FAKE.
SHE WAS MAKING AN IMPORTANT
AND TOO OFTEN, TOO SELDOM
MADE POINT.
SEGREGATION IS COMING BACKAT
TO THIS COUNTRY IN THE GUISE
OF RACIAL SAFE SPACES.
IT'S A POINT HER CRITICS
SEEMED DETERMINED TO MISS
AND MISREPRESENT, OF COURSE,
BECAUSE THEY ARE DISHONEST.
PAT BROWN JOINS US TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR COMING ON.
I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR FOR THE
THIRD TIME, YOU ARE OPPOSED
TO THE GROWING RACIAL
SEGREGATION IN THIS COUNTRY,
CORRECT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I GREW UP IN THE TIME OF
MARTIN LUTHER KING SAYING HE
HAD A DREAM THAT HE WANTED
EQUALITY AND HE WANTED
EVERYONE TO BE TOGETHER.
HE WANTED HIS CHILDREN TO BE
JUDGED BY THEIR CHARACTER
AND NOT THEIR COLOR.HA
HE WANTED BLACK CHILDREN AND
WHITE CHILDREN TO HOLD HANDS
AND BE BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
IT WAS GOING THAT DIRECTION
AS I GREW OLDER.
THEN WE HAD THE CIVIL RIGHTS
ACT OF 1964, WHICH TOLD
PEOPLE YOU CANNOT HAVE A
BUSINESS, YOU CANNOT SERVE THE
PUBLIC AND PUT OUT A SIGN THAT
SAYS ONE RACE ONLY, IN THAT CASE
IN THOSE DAYS WHITE ONLY.
AND THEN THINGS WERE GETTING
BETTER AND THEN 1979 I
MARRIED A BLACK MAN.
I NEVER THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT
IT, AND THEN I HAD CHILDREN.CH
I HAVE TWO BIRACIAL C
CHILDREN AND ONE BLACK CHILD
WHO IS ADOPTED.
AND WE WENT ON WITH OUR
LIVES.
WAS THERE PROBLEMS ALONG THE
WAY?
OF COURSE YOU RUN INTO THAT
AS TIME WENT ON.
MY HUSBAND DID FILE AN EOCC
LAWSUIT AGAINST A COMPANY
WHO DID DISCRIMINATE AGAINST
HIM.
HE EVENTUALLY GOT THE JOB
WITH THE COMPANY AND WORKED
FOR THEM THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
THERE WERE INCIDENTS HERE
AND THERE I RAISED MY
CHILDREN TO LOVE EVERYBODY.
TO RESPECT EVERYBODY AND TO
JUDGE THEM BY THEIR
CHARACTER.
>> Tucker: YES!
>> THINGS WERE GETTING -- I WAS
SO RELIEVED AS MY KIDS GREW
OLDER THEY WOULD DO OKAY IN
LIFE AND THEY HAVE DONE ALL
RIGHT IN LIFE.
BUT OVER THE LAST DECADE I HAVE
NOTICED THINGS TURNING
AROUND WHERE WE ARE NOW
SEEING THINGS THROUGH A
RACIAL LENS WHERE GROUPS AT
THIS POINT, WHITES IN TIME,
ARE BEING CALLED OPPRESSORS
AND IF YOU ARE NOT A WHITE
YOU ARE A MARGINALIZED
PERSON.
AND IT HAS JUST GOTTEN SO
OUT OF HAND.
AND I HAVE A GRANDDAUGHTER
NOW WHO I CALL A PERSON OF
NOT ENOUGH COLOR.
AND SHE IS GOING TO BE
RUNNING INTO THESE KINDS OF
TOO WHITE AND NOT BLACK
THINGS BECAUSE NOW SHE IS
ENOUGH.
I HAVE BEEN SEEING THIS OVER
TIME.
GROUPS CAME ALONG AND KEPT
SENDING ME ADVERTISEMENTS
SAYING YOU COULD JOIN THIS
GROUP, YOU CAN JOIN THAT
GROUP.
I'M GOING, BUT THESE ARE ALL
BLACK ONLY GROUPS OR PEOPLE
OF COLOR ONLY GROUPS OR
AFRICAN-AMERICAN GROUPS.
THEN I FOUND OUT THERE WERE
HUNDREDS OF THESE ON THE
INTERNET ACROSS OUR COUNTRY.
THIS IS A DIRECT VIOLATION
OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF
1964.
BECAUSE MEET UP IS A
MULTI-MILLION-DOLLAR
BUSINESS.
THEY MADE $14 MILLION LAST
YEAR.
$50 MILLION. S
AND THEY RENT STORE FRONTS,
ESSENTIALLY IN THEIR
INTERNET BUILDING, THEY RENT
THESE STORE FRONTS FOR THE MEET
UP GROUPS.
PEOPLE PAY FOR THEM AND IN
TURN, IF YOU HAVE A MEET-UP
GROUP, YOU CAN CHARGE
MEMBERSHIP FEES LIKE A GYM,
CHARGE SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE A
DANCE CLUB AND CHARGE FORE
LESSONS LIKE SALSA LESSON.
>> Tucker: THEY ARE PRACTICES
DESEGREGATION.
>> THEY HUNG OUT A SIGN.Y
IF YOU ARE MEET UP NOT ONLY
PERMITS IT IS ABSOLUTELY
PERMITTED YOU CAN'T SAY WHO YOU
WON'T LET IN BUT YOU CAN SAY
WHO YOU WILL LET IN LIKE,
AGAIN, YOU CAN SAY BLACKS
ONLY OR WHITES ONLY.
>> Tucker: WE ARE OUT OF
TIME.GR
BUT I WANT TO BE TOTALLY CLEAR.
YOU ARE MAKING A STATEMENT
AND YOUR LIFE ITSELF HAS
BEEN A STATEMENT AGAINST
SEGREGATION.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Tucker: AND FOR THAT YOU WERE
ATTACKED AS SOME SORT OF
BIGOT AND I JUST WANT THAT
TO STAND AS A TESTAMENT TO
THE INSANITY OF THE WORLD WE
ARE LIVING IN.
>> THAT'S TRUE.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THIS IS
AGAINST THE LAW AND WE DON'T
WANT TO GO BACK TO
SEGREGATION AND SEPARATION.
I AM GOING TO FIGHT AND TAKE
THIS TO COURT.
>> Tucker: I HOPE THAT YOU
WILL.
AND I STRONGLY HOPE YOU WILL
COME BACK AND GIVE US AN
UPDATE.
PAT BROWN, THANKS SO MUCH
FOR.
>> THANKS, TUCKER.
>> Tucker: CAN A MEMBER OF
THE ROYAL FAMILY BE GENDER
NEUTRAL?
THEY ARE SAYING IT'S
POSSIBLE.
CATHY AREU JOINS US AFTER
THE BREAK.
AFTER
THE BREAK.
♪
>>Tucker: A NEW
MEGAN MARKEL SAYS SHE AND HER
HUSBAND PRINCE HARRY PLAN TO
RAISE THEIR BABY IN A "GENDER
FLUID WAY."
IT'S A DECISION THAT MORE AND
MORE PARENTS ARE MAKING THESE
DAYS.
TO EXPLAIN THE TREND WE HAVE
KATHY JOINING US TONIGHT.
KATHY, GREAT TO SEE YOU.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> THE CORE IDEA AS I UNDERSTAND
SIT THAT SEX, MALE-FEMALE
DESIGNATIONS ARE CREATIONS OF
SOCIETY.
THEY AREN'T REAL.
NOTHING INHERENT IS SEX
SPECIFIC.
SO YOU CAN CHOOSE WHETHER YOUR
CHILD IS A BOY OR A GIRL.
IS THAT THE IDEA?
>> THE CHILD WILL CHOOSE WHAT
THE CHILD WANTS TO BE.
WE'RE FACING A GENDERLESS
FUTURE.
A GENDER-UNISEX FUTURE.
MAGAZINES ARE COMING WITHOUT
UNISEX NAMES FOR CHILDREN SO YOU
CAN NAME THEM HARPER OR BLAKE SO
THEY CAN FIT INTO THE FUTURE OF
THIS GENDERLESS SOCIETY.
TUCKER: LEAVING THE MAGAZINE
ASIDE, LEAVING ASIDE THE
SCIENTIFIC QUESTION OF WHETHER
THIS IS FANTASY, WHICH, OF
COURSE, IT IS, RATHER THAN
REALITY.
>> IT IS REALITY.
TUCKER: WHY WOULD YOU WANT A
GENDERLESS SOCIETY, ISN'T LIKE
THE WHOLE POINT THAT THE SEXES
ARE DIFFERENT AND THAT'S A GOOD
THING?
WHY WOULD YOU WANTD TO ELIMINAT
THOSE DIFFERENCES?
>> WE'RE ALWAYS TEACHING OUR
CHILDREN TO BE WHO THEY WANT TO
BE.
WILL SMITH SAYS HIS SON IS
FEARLESS.
SMITH IS NOT AFRAID TO WEAR
SKIRTS ON RUNWAY OR DRESSES.
HIS SON IS WHO HE WANTS TO BE.
STRONG, FEARLESS AND UNIQUE.
THAT'S WHO WE WANT OUR KIDS TO
BE.
>> YOU JUST SAID WE'REO
ENCOURAGING THEM TO BE ALL THE
SAME, UNISEX.
A SEXLESS DRONE.
>> NOT SAMENESS, UNIQUE
ACTUALLY.
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
TUCKER: SO IN IGNORING
DIFFERENCES WE'RE ACCENTUATING
DIFFERENCES?
>> WE'RE DOING WHO WE WANT TO
BE.
WE'RE SHOWING CHILDREN THEY CAN
BE WHO THEY WANT TO BE.
IF A BOY WANTS TO WEAR A DRESS
THAT'S OKAY.
IF A GIRL DOESN'T WANT TO WEAR A
DRESS AND PLAY WITH BARBIES,
THAT'S OKAY.
TUCKER: I WOULDN'T ARGUE WITH
THIS BUT I'LL STILL CONFUSED
ABOUT THE DETAILS.
I'M SURE YOU'LL COME BACK AND
EXPLAIN THIS BRAVE NEW WORLD
WE'RE ENTERING.
THANK YOU.
THAT'S IT FOR US.
WE COULD GO ON FOR MONDAY BUT
YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL MONDAY
AT 8:00