FROM COMEDY CENTRAL'S WORLD NEWS
HEADQUARTERS IN NEW YORK, THIS
IS "THE DAILY SHOW" WITH JON
STEWART!
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
♪
>> Jon: HEY!
WELCOME TO "THE DAILY SHOW"!
I'M JON STEWART!
WE'VE GOT A GOOD ONE FOR YOU
TONIGHT!
A FINE PROGRAM.
MY GUEST TONIGHT, TA-NEHISI
COATES!
HE'S WRITTEN THIS INCREDIBLE
BOOK.
WE'LL GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT
THAT.
BUT FIRST -- THE DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS.
(LAUGHTER)
IT IS ONE OF OUR MOST SACRED
OBLIGATIONS TO PROTECTING THE
INTEGRITY AND THE HEALTH OF THE
GREAT NATION THAT WE LOVE SO
DEALER.
I'M SORRY.
(LAUGHTER)
THE PRIMARIES, THE ELECTIONS FOR
THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA, IT IS A SIMPLE TASK
WE MUST UNDERTAKE WITH GREAT
DISCRETION AND SERIOUSNESS OF
PURPOSE, BUT (BLEEP)!
(LAUGHTER)
THIS GUY IS SO MUCH FUN!
>> THEN I SEE RICK PERRY THE
OTHER DAY.
HE PUT GLASSES ON SO PEOPLE WILL
THINK HE'S SMART, AND IT JUST
DOESN'T WORK!
>> Jon: WATCHING THIS MAN RUN
FOR PRESIDENT, IT'S LIKE EATING
ICE CREAM ON A ROLLER COASTER
MADE OF BLOWJOBS!
(LAUGHTER)
IT IS SO MUCH FUN.
BY THE WAY, YOU'RE WELCOME,
GREAT ADVENTURE.
(LAUGHTER)
I EXPECT BY SUMMER 2017 TO RIDE
YOUR NEW GREAT AMERICAN
FILATIATOR.
(LAUGHTER)
BUT IT CAN'T JUST BE TRUMP!
WE'VE GOT TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND
TURN OUR HEADS BACK, AND I'M
SURE AS THE COVERAGE HAS BEEN
DOMINATED BY TRUMP THAT WE ARE
MISSING NEW AND EXCITING
CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT.
>> GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH,
POPULAR, GOVERNOR.
>> EXPERIENCE ON THE
ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE.
>> Jon: THERE YOU GO, FORMER
CONGRESSMAN, LEGISLATIVE
EXPERIENCE, MAY NOT AGREE WITH
EVERYTHING, BUT I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN
SEEING WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.
>> IT'S THE CHALLENGES THAT MAKE
YOU BETTER.
I HAVE LIVED THROUGH THEM, AND I
HAVE BECOME STRONGER FOR THEM
AND AMERICA HAS BECOME STRONGER
FOR THEM, AND HERE'S HOW WE'VE
DONE IT, BY STAYING TOGETHER.
>> Jon: SO IS IT GOVERNOR
GOING TO SPEAK YET?
OR IS IT -- I GUESS BEFORE
SENATOR KASICH COMES ON, THE
BRIDE'S FATHER IS GOING TO SAY
SOMETHING.
(LAUGHTER)
HOLY (BLEEP)!
THAT WAS THE BASE MODEL GENERIC
WHITE GUY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE HIS HANDS END
AND THE LAWN MOWER BEGINS.
(LAUGHTER)
HEY THERE!
NO, DON'T DO IT!
FOCUS, FOCUS!
KASICH HAS SOMETHING IMPORTANT
TO SAY ABOUT OUR COUNTRY.
GO!
>> WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE
LESSONS OF THE HEARTLAND AND
STRAIGHTEN OUT WASHINGTON, D.C.
AND FIX OUR COUNTRY.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
>> Jon: I CAN'T (BLEEP) DO IT.
I CAN'T DO IT.
I'M OUT.
HE'S, LIKE, A PICTURE HANGING UP
IN A HOTEL ROOM.
YOU DON'T NOTICE IT.
IT'S ONLY REALLY THERE
BECAUSE -- HOW WEIRD WOULD BIT
IF THERE WERE NO PICTURES ON THE
WALL!
COME ON!
THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING
INTERESTING HAPPENING IN THE
PRESIDENTIAL RACE!
>> HILLARY CLINTON, BY THE WAY,
WAS THE WORST SECRETARY OF STATE
IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.
I COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT
LINDSEY GRAHAM.
HE'S REGISTERED AT I THNK ZERO.
THE PEOPLE DON'T TRUST YOU AND
DON'T TRUST THE MEDIA.
>> Jon: I WATCH YOU ALL THE
TIME I'M NOT JUST LETTING MYSELF
DOWN BUT THE FOREFATHERS OF THIS
NATION WHO TRUSTED US BUT THEY
NEVER CAME UP AGAINST ANYTHING
LIKE THIS GUY!
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF HE WAS THERE
WHEN THEY WERE AROUND?
JOHN HANCOCK, HE'S A LOSER...
(LAUGHTER)
HEY!
THIS KIND OF LOSER NEEDS TO PUT
HIS NAME IN GIANT LETTERS ON
EVERYTHING.
JOHN HANCOCK, WHAT A LOSER!
NO!
I WON'T DO IT!
HIT ME WITH ANYTHING NOT'S NOT TRUMP!
ANYTHING!
>> ALL FIVE DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATES BREAKING BREAD AT A
HALL OF FAME DINNER IN IOWA
TONIGHT.
>> Jon: THERE WE GO, IMPORTANT
SWING STATE ALL FIVE DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATES HILLARY CLINTON AND
THE OTHER ONES --
(LAUGHTER)
AND ALL THE EXCITEMENT OF BREAD
BEING BROKEN AT SOME KIND OF
BREAD HALL OF FAME.
LET'S DO IT.
>> I'M PROUD OF MY LONG SUPPORT
FOR BENEFICIAL SOCIAL PROGRAMS
THAT HELP BUILD THE MIDDLE
CLASS.
MY LONG SUPPORT FOR TAX
STRUCTURE WHERE THE WEALTHY PAY
THEIR FAIR SHARE.
MY LONG SUPPORT FOR A WOMEN'S
RIGHT TO CHOOSE, FOR LGBT
RIGHTS --
>> Jon: LINCOLN CHAFEE JUST
MANAGED TO BORE PEOPLE IN A
STATE WHERE THEY'RE GUESSING
WHICH EAR OF CORN THE CROW WILL
LAND ON.
(LAUGHTER)
THE CORN ACTUALLY REMINDS ME OF
SOMETHING.
THE YELLOWY, UNNATURAL COMPLEXTION,
THE UNWIELDY THATCH OF THE
TOP -- IT'S REMINDING ME OF --
NO!
(LAUGHTER)
BE STRONG.
I'M SEEING THINGS.
BE STRONG.
WAKE UP.
THERE ARE OTHER DEMOCRATS TO
HEAR FROM.
>> I'M ALSO THE ONLY STATEWIDE
CANDIDATE EVER ELECTED TO OFFICE
WITH A UNION CARD, TWO PURPLE
HEARTS AND THREE TATTOOS.
>> Jon: OKAY, OKAY.
JIM WEB FORMER SECRETARY OF THE
NAVY SAYS WE SHOULD VOTE FOR HIM
WITH LOVE ON ONE HAND, HATE ON
THE OTHER AND A TRAMP STAMP.
THAT SAYS SASSY.
GET ME SOMEBODY WITH SOME ZAZZ!
>> NO PRESIDENT CAN BRING ABOUT
THE CHANGES WE NEED IN THIS
COUNTRY UNLESS THERE IS A
POLITICAL REVOLUTION!
>> Jon: INFLAMMATORY, SAID
WITH A BRUSK ACCENT, HE HAS
PASSION BUT LACKS THE
DICKISHNESS I'VE COME TO EXPECT
NOW THAT TRUMP IS IN THE RACE.
MAYBE CHAFEE IS CRANKING IT UP
TO 11 NOW.
>> MY LONG SUPPORT FOR RAISING
THE MINIMUM-WAGE, MY LONG
SUPPORT FOR PROTECTING THE
ENVIRONMENT AND ADDRESSING
CLIMATE CHANGE.
>> Jon: IT'S LIKE THE WHITE
NOISE MACHINE IS RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT.
I MEAN, THE WORDS, HE'S SAYING
WORDS, THE WORDS HAVE MEANINGS,
THEY DESCRIBE POLICIES THAT
MIGHT EVEN BENEFIT OUR COUNTRY,
HELP ENORMOUS NUMBERS OF PEOPLE
EVEN SAVE LIVES, BUT LISTENING
TO HIM IS LIKE LICKING A
PICTURE OF FOOD, IT SHOULD TASTE
LIKE SOMETHING BUT IT'S PAPER --
WHAT DOES THAT REMIND ME OF?
OH, NO!
IT'S EVERYWHERE!
DON'T TEMPT ME!
I WON'T!
>> THEY'RE LOSERS.
>> Jon: NO!
>> Jon: YOU'RE RIGHT MURDERED
BIRD, THEY'RE LOSERS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I FINALLY
GET IT FOR YEARS
WE RAIL AT THE PRESS FOR
COVERING THE FLASHY STUPID
STORIES INSTEAD OF THE IMPORTANT
STUFF, BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO
SAY WHAT THE (BLEEP) AND RIDE THE BLOWJOB COASTER.
>> SO LINDSEY GRAHAM HE GAVE ME HIS NUMBER
I FOUND THE CARD.
I WROTE THE NUMBER DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RIGHT.
THE NUMBER IS 202 --
>> Jon: TRUMP GIVING OUT
LINDSEY GRAHAM'S CELL PHONE,
GOOD NEWS FOR LINDSEY GRAHAM.
NO MATTER HOW HE RESPONDS SEEMS
LIKE A REASONABLE CANDIDATE.
>> GRAHAM'S RESPONSE WEDNESDAY
WAS TO RELEASE A VIDEO SHOWING
HIM DESTROYING CELL PHONES IN
VARIOUS WAYS.
>> Jon: I GUESS I'M PROBABLY
LATE TO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW YOU
JUST HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR NUMBER.
I MEAN, WHAT YOU DID SEEMS LIKE
YOU THOUGHT YOUR T-MOBILE WAS
CURSED BY A GYPSY.
I MUST DRIVE AWAY THE EVIL
SPIRITS AND PUT A STAKE IN MY
PHONES HEART!
HE'S NOT JUST ENTERTAINING, HE'S
ALSO CRUSHING EVERYONE IN THE
POLLS, MAYBE BECAUSE HE'S
FILLING ALL THE ROLES EVERYONE'S
SUPPOSED TO FILL.
THE GUY WHO SAYS CRAZY (BLEEP),
THE DUMB GUY, BULLY, THE HAIR.
IT'S LIKE THE BREAKFAST CLUB WAS
ROLLED INTO JUST ONE GUY.
15 BAD MEALS IN ONE!
DONALD TRUMP IS THE CANDIDATE
VERSION OF THE HOT DOG-CRUST
PIZZA.
YOU DON'T WANT IT!
YOU NEVER ORDERED IT, YOU CAN'T
BELIEVE SOMEONE CAME UP WITH IT
BUT NOW IT'S ALL YOU WANT!
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
I'M TIRED OF FIGHTING IT.
IT'S THE SUMMER.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE FUN?
WE'LL GET SERIOUS IN THE FALL
ABOUT OUR FUTURE.
BUT UNTIL THEN, WHAT'S THE HARM
IN A LITTLE SUMMER FLING?
♪
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
♪ SUMMER TRUMPING ♪
♪ HAD ME A BLAST ♪
♪ SUMMER TRUMPING ♪
♪ HE'S SUCH AN ASS ♪
♪ BILLIONAIRE ♪
♪ VOMITED WORDS ♪
♪ DISTRACTED US ♪
♪ FROM HIS FELLOW TURDS ♪
♪ WONDER WHAT WE'LL DO ♪
♪ WHEN HE GOES BACK TO THE
APPRENTICE ♪
♪ WHAT A BLOW TO THE -- RIDE ♪
♪ ♪
WE ARE TERRIBLE SINGERS.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
>> Jon: WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME
FOCUSING ON POLITICS --
SPEECHES, IDEAS -- WE RARELY
EXPLORE WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR
HANDS.
I THINK IT'S HIGH TIME WE DO A
LITTLE CRAFTING.
TODAY I HOPE YOU WILL JOIN ME.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU THROUGH
A SIMPLE CRAFT.
ALL YOU NEED IS YARN, POPSICLE
STICKS AND A GOOD HOUSEHOLD
GLUE.
WE'LL PUT THIS TOGETHER IN A
MANNER --
>> EXCUSE ME, JON.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
>> Jon: LOOK AT THIS!
SENATOR SCHUMER, WAIT!
(APPLAUSE)
WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?
>> THAT'S ALL THE WELCOME I GET?
NOT, HELLO, SENATOR SCHUMER.
NOT, HOW ARE YOU, THREE-TERM
SENATOR FROM THE GREAT STATE OF
NEW YORK.
I'M SORRY, HELLO, SENATOR
SCHUMAN.
>> Jon: TO WHAT DO WE OWE THE
PLEASURE OF YOUR VISIT?
>> WHAT?
NO COFFEE CAKE, NO CUP OF TEA?
>> Jon: JUST TELL US WHY YOU'RE HERE!
>> LAST NIGHT, YOU WERE SO
INTERESTED IN MY DINER TIPS I
THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE MORE OF MY
BREAKFAST WISDOM WITH YOU.
>> Jon: I'M GOING TO TELL YOU
SOMETHING, I'M SURPRISINGLY
INTERESTED IN THAT, SO PLEASE.
>> OF COURSE YOU ARE, JON!
YOU'RE JEWISH!
>> Jon: HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS
JEWISH?
FOR YEARS I HAVE GONE OUT OF MY
WAY TO AVOID DISPLAYING ANY OF
THE STEREOTYPICAL
CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR SHARED
HERITAGE.
>> THEN, JOHN, YOU HAVE FAILED
SPECTACULARLY!
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
SO TONIGHT I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE
TO CELEBRATE YOUR MEMBERSHIP IN
THE TRIBE.
>> I'M JEWISH, SO I THINK A LOT
ABOUT ILLNESS.
I'M A JEW.
I CAN'T DUNK.
NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT BUT
JEWS, AS COMEDIANS --
WE FIND STUFF.
>> YOU ARE A JEW?
>> Jon: YES, SIR.
LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING ABOUT
THE HEBREW PEOPLE, IT'S ALL
ABOUT THE HAIR, ALL NATURAL JEW
OIL RIGHT THERE.
HAPPY YOM KIPPUR!
BASKET FILLED WITH CANDY AND
JELLY BEANS OR HORSERADISH STILL
IN ROOT FORM!
SEVENTH INNING KVETCH.
PAUL SAULMEN ARE YOU PUTTING THE ZERO'S ON THE COFFEE TABLE
AGAIN!
DON'T MAKE ME BREAK OUT THE
YIDDISH.
SCHUTZ IS DIRT
(SPEAKING YIDDISH)
SHALOM.
MAZEL TOV.
MINYAN'S.
A MENSCH SHE IS.
MASHUGANA.
BUPKIS.
MISHPUCKA.
YENTL.
(SPEAKING YIDDISH)
LISTEN TO ME BUBBE.
(SPEAKING YIDDISH)
YOU'RE SISTER'S A WHORE.
CIRCUMDECISION 5773.
VOTE OR CHAI.
WHAT'S HAPPENING!
>> OH, MY! I'M SO SORRY!
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
>> Jon: I GUESS I DID DIP INTO
THE JEWISH WELL QUITE A BIT.
>> JOHN, IT'S A MIRACLE.
>> Jon: THANKS.
YOU TOOK ONE DAY'S WORTH OF
SCHTICK AND KEPT IT GOING FOR 16
YEARS.
MAZEL TOV.
>> Jon: THANK YOU.
YOU'RE WELCOME!
NOW WOULD YOU SHOW UP AT
SYNAGOGUE ONCE IN A WHILE?
WE MISS YOU!
>> Jon: SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER,
EVERYBODY WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
>> Jon: WELCOME BACK!
MY GUEST TONIGHT NATIONAL
CORRESPONDENT FOR THE ATLANTIC
MAGAZINE, AN AUTHOR, NEW BEST
SELLING BOOK IS CALLED "BETWEEN
THE WORLD AND ME."
PLEASE WELCOME TO THE SHOW
TA-NEHISI COATES!
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
HELLO!
HELLO.
>> Jon: I GREET YOU!
(LAUGHTER)
YOU ALWAYS GET A QUICK "I LOVE
YOU" BEFORE YOU COME ON.
"BETWEEN THE WORLD AND ME," WHAT
A POWERFUL WORK.
CONGRATULATIONS.
IT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL,
CHALLENGING READ.
YOU WROTE THIS IS AS A LETTER TO
YOUR SON.
>> I DID, BUT NOW I HAVE TO
BREAK EVERYBODY'S HEART AND
REVEAL THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY A
LITERARY CONVENTION.
I WAS WORKING ON THE BOOK --
>> Jon: I'M SORRY.
(LAUGHTER)
>> NOTHING IN THIS BOOK WILL BE
A SURPRISE TO MY SON.
THIS IS HOW WE TALK.
>> Jon: ALL THE TIME?
YEAH, THERE IS NOTHING NEW IN
HERE FOR HIM.
>> Jon: REALLY?
YEAH.
>> Jon: IT MAKES ME FEEL
BETTER BECAUSE I WANT TO DO
SOMETHING.
HOW OLD IS HE.
>> 15 NEXT MONTH.
.>> Jon: IT SCARES ME AS A
FATHER THAT THE BEST WAY YOU
THOUGHT TO COMMUNICATE WAS
THROUGH A BOOK.
MADE ME NERVOUS ABOUT MY
CHILDREN.
I WOULD HAVE TO BECOME AN AVATAR IN A
MIND CRAFT GAME TO HAVE THIS
CONVERSATION.
WHEN DID YOU START?
BECAUSE I THINK WHAT IS
REVELATORY ABOUT THIS READING
FOR ME IS THE UNDERLYING FEELING
OF FEAR THAT YOU EXPRESS
THROUGHOUT THE BOOK.
FEAR FOR YOURSELF GROWING UP IN
BALTIMORE, FEAR FOR YOUR SON,
FEAR FOR OTHER MEN, OTHER
PEOPLE.
>> WELL, YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY
IT.
IT'S ALWAYS TOUGH TO TELL WHEN
YOU BEGIN A BOOK LIKE THIS THAT
PEOPLE ACTUALLY SEE IT REACHES
BACK TO MY EARLIEST MEMORIES,
BUT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THE
BEGINNING WOULD BE THE MURDER OF
MY GOOD FRIEND PRINCE JONES,
WENT TO HOWARD UNIVERSITY,
TRAILED THREE JURISDICTION BY
A POLICE OFFICER WHO MISTOOK HIM
FOR SOMEBODY ELSE AND SHOT HIM
DOWN.
THAT WAS HORRIFIC.
I DON'T KNOW I'VE MADE MY PEACE
WITH IT.
I DON'T KNOW HIS FAMILY OR
MOTHER'S MADE THEIR PEACE WITH
IT.
WRITING IS SOMETHING THAT WE
NEED TO TRY TO DO, TRY TO MAKE
SOME SORT OF SENSE OUT OF IT.
THAT WAS 15 YEARS AGO.
THAT WAS THE BEGINNING AND I
HAVE BEEN CARRYING IT WITH ME
EVER SINCE.
>> Jon: I THOUGHT IT WAS
INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S NOT
REVEALED UNTIL LATER ON IN THE
BOOK.
>> RIGHT.
>> Jon: AND WHEN IT COMES OUT,
IT'S DEVASTATING TO BEGIN WITH,
BUT WHAT A DEVASTATING BLOW FOR
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAD SET
UP FOUNDATIONALLY UP TO THAT
POINT.
>> ONE OF THE DIFFICULT THINGS
IS WHAT THEY TELL US
AFRICAN-AMERICANS IS IF WE WORK
HARD, PLAY BY THE RULES, WE DO
START, YOU KNOW, BACK A LITTLE
WAYS, BUT IF WE CAN BE TWICE AS
GOOD, SOMEHOW WE CAN ESCAPE
HISTORY AND HERITAGE AND LEGACY,
AND PRINCE'S MOTHER MABEL JONES
IS A WOMAN FROM APPALOOSA,
LOUISIANA, BORN INTO POVERTY,
SHARECROPPER, WORKED HER WAY UP,
BECAME A RADIOLOGIST, WENT TO
L.S.U., WENT IN THE NAVY, DID
EVERYTHING YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO
DO.
ALMOST KILLED.
THERE'S NO REAL DIFFERENCE.
>> Jon: SHE TALKS ABOUT IT.
SHE SAYS THEY HAD A LIFE OF
PRIVILEGE.
>> RIGHT.
>> Jon: THEY DID ALL THE RIGHT
THINGS.
AND SHE TALKS ABOUT IT'S ALL
GONE IN ONE RACIST MOMENT.
>> RIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW THE REALLY SAD
THING THAT SHE REVEALS IS THE
FACT THEY WERE CHASING ANOTHER
CRIMINAL WHO WAS DRIVING A JEEP.
>> Jon: WHO WAS 5'4".
RIGHT, I THINK PRINCE WAS
6'4".
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY WERE
BLACK.
SHE BOUGHT HIM THE CAR.
THEY RAN THE TAGS AND THEY CAME
BACK IN PENNSYLVANIA AND THEY
THOUGHT IT WAS STOLEN, NEVER
OCCURRED TO THEM HIS MOTHER
BOUGHT IT, AND THEY TREATED HIM
LIKE A CRIMINAL.
IT'S VERY SAD.
>> Jon: WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S
SO DIFFICULT WHEN YOU BRING THIS
UP AS YOUR EXPERIENCE, AS THE
EXPERIENCE OF A COMMUNITY THAT
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE
WHITE COMMUNITY, THE POWER
STRUCTURE IN PLACE, TO NOT GET
ANGRY ABOUT THAT?
WHY IS IT SUCH A HARD
CONVERSATION TO HAVE?
>> BECAUSE IT INSULTS MANY OF
OUR DEEPEST NOTIONS.
IF YOU ACCEPT, AS I ARGUE IN
THIS BOOK, THAT THE PLUNDER OF
BLACK COMMUNITIES IS NOT A BUMP
ALONG THE ROAD.
IT IS THE ROAD ITSELF THAT YOU
CAN'T HAVE IN AMERICA ANYTHING
ABOUT SLAVERY, JIM CROW, ABOUT
THE TERRORISM AND EVERYTHING
THAT CAME AFTER THAT, IT MAKES
IT HARD TO PREACH THE OTHER
COUNTRIES AND SAY, LISTEN, WE
ARE THE CITY, THE SHINING CITY
ON A HILL.
IT REVEALS US TO BE NOT
NECESSARILY WORSE THAN OTHER
COUNTRIES BUT QUITE MORTAL.
>> Jon: AND NOT EXCEPTIONAL.
THAT'S EXACTLY IT, YEP.
>> Jon: AND THERE IS A
DISCONNECT BETWEEN DIRECT
RESPONSIBILITY AND MALEVOLENCE
AND IGNORANCE.
>> RIGHT.
>> Jon: IGNORANCE IS THE
HARDEST PART BECAUSE EMPATHY,
UNDERSTANDING WHAT PEOPLE ARE
GOING THROUGH, IS THE HARDEST
THING, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO
THINK HOW DO I HAVE PRIVILEGE
WHEN MY LIFE IS HARD?
>> RIGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING
THROUGH, I CAN'T FIGURE THIS
OUT, HOW MUCH OF IGNORANCE IS
WILLFUL?
>> Jon: RIGHT.
HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T -- IT'S
NOT HARD TO KNOW WHAT THE
CONFEDERATE FLAG MEANT
(LAUGHTER)
I MEAN, THEY SAID IT!
THEY SAID IT, YOU KNOW!
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
>> Jon: RIGHT.
IT'S, NO, YOU'RE CONFUSED!
>> Jon: RIGHT.
IT'S, LIKE, TRYING TO NOT
KNOW.
I'M NOT SURE YET, YOU KNOW.
BUT THAT'S THE THING I WONDER A
LOT ABOUT.
>> Jon: IT'S INTERESTING, YOU
GET CRITICIZED A BIT BECAUSE
THEY SAY YOU'RE MORE MALCOLM
THAN MARTIN, THAT YOU IDENTIFY A
LITTLE IN THAT WAY.
IT'S NOT AS OPTIMISTIC FOR YOU.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT FEELING THAT
MAYBE THE ARC OF HISTORY LONG
BENDS TOWARD JUSTICE.
>> I DON'T.
I THINK IT BENDS TOWARD CHAOS,
AND I THINK THE RECORD OF
HISTORY IS ACTUALLY BEHIND ME.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ARC, I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESPECT EVERY
INDIVIDUAL'S ARC.
IF YOU WERE SOMEONE KILLED IN
AUSCHWITZ, THAT'S THE END OF
YOUR ARC.
IT'S DEVASTATING AND TRAGIC AND
WE SHOULD NOT MAKE OURSELVES
FEEL BAD ABOUT THAT.
WHEN ESAW GARBER WAS CHOCKED TO DEATH
ON STATIN ISLAND
HIS LIFE ENDED.
RIGHT THERE.
AND IT DOENS'T MEAN WE CAN'T TAKE THINGS FROM IT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T BE INSPIRED BY IT
BUT WE SHOULD NOT TRY AND MAKE OURSELVES FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT.
WE SHOULD KIND OF SIT WITH THAT
PAIN.
>> Jon: I WOULD LOVE TO TALK
ABOUT IT MORE.
IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT NOT COMFORTING YOUR SON
AFTER THAT.
CAN YOU STICK AROUND?
>> YES.
>> Jon: "BETWEEN THE WORLD AND
ME" IS ON THE SHELVES NOW.
TA-NEHISI COATES.
WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
>> Jon: BEFORE WE GO, WE ARE,
AS OF NOW, WE'RE AUCTIONING OFF
19 SUITS PREVIOUSLY WORN BY ME
WITH THE WONDERFUL STEWART
SMELL, GOING TO THE ACHILLES
FREEDOM TEAM WHO RUN RACES ALL
OVER THE COUNTRY, THEY DO
INCREDIBLE WORK.
I'LL NEVER NEED THOSE SUITS
AGAIN.
WHEN I'M OUT OF HERE, ONE-PIECE
SWIMSUITS.
HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.
>> I DO NOT WANT TO SELL THE
MOTHER HOUSE AND THE RECEIPT
HOUSE TO KATY PERRY.