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你好 我是《汽车交易家》杂志的特瑞莎 Hello, this is Teresa with Auto Trader magazine.
翻译 雀儿 吸吸粒呀 制造肚腩 彼岸的宁静
我是一名摄影师 我打电话来告诉你 I'm the photographer and just giving a call to let you know
我今天下午可以去你那里 that I could come out there today um, in the afternoon.
翻译 凉粉 洗七里 Z小花儿 克里斯 持久
大概两点 可能会稍迟一些 It would probably be around 2:00 or even a little later.
校对 许大嘴 阿飘
再讲一下 我叫特瑞莎 Um... again, it's Teresa.
时间轴 晒晒子 安妮
如果方便的话请给我回电 If you could please give me a call back
告诉我你是否有空 and let me know if that'll work for you.
谢谢 Thank you.
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埃弗里废车场
紧急寻人 特瑞莎·海尔贝克
假设我31岁前死去 So let's say I die before I'm 31.
特瑞莎·哈尔巴赫 三年前
或者假设明天我就死了 Or let's say I die tomorrow.
这当然不可能 我还有好多事要做 I don't think I will. I think I have a lot more to do.
我只是想知道 不管我什么时候死 I just want to know, whenever I do die...
我只希望我爱的人知道 不管我什么时候死 I just want people I love to know that whenever I die...
我都很幸福 that I was happy.
我为我这一生所做的事而感到幸福 That I was happy with what I did with my life.
制造凶手
第一季 第二集
2003年9月18日 史蒂文释放后一周
含冤入狱的十八年来 For 18 years, Steven Avery was limited in everything he did,
史蒂文·埃弗里做的一切事都受到限制 after being convicted for a crime he didn't commit.
现在州立法者希望知道为什么会发生这样的事 Now state lawmakers want answers as to why this happened to him.
入狱期间 埃弗里的妻子和他离了婚 While in prison, Avery's wife divorced him.
释放后 他在冰棚里住了一段时间 Following his release, he lived for a time in an ice shanty.
史蒂文·埃弗里如今已经回家 Steven Avery is now back home,
但莫须有的性侵犯罪名 but for 18 years he sat in prison
害他坐了整整十八年的牢 for a sexual assault he did not commit.
埃弗里说 他原谅指控他的那个女人 Avery says he forgives the woman for accusing him of the crime,
但是他不会原谅马尼托沃克县的执法机构 but will never forgive Manitowoc County law enforcement.
"有罪" 他们想的只有这个 "Guilty." That's all they think,
反正这个人就是有罪 is the guy's guilty right away.
他们应该更深入地调查 So they should look into things more.
史蒂文已经成了 Steven was becoming like
刑事司法系统里的明星人物 a celebrity in the criminal justice system.
吉姆·多伊尔州长
政治家们争着抢着和史蒂文·埃弗里合照 Politicians were posing for photo ops with Steve Avery.
上达州长 下至州立法委员的这些政客们 Politicians from the governor down to a state legislator,
史蒂芬·格林 史蒂文的民权律师
都可能是推动埃弗里专案组的成立的助力 who would be a prime mover on the Avery Task Force.
一个无辜的人 从家中被强行带走 An innocent man was taken from his home,
离开他的家人 遭到他未犯下的罪名的指控 taken from his family, accused of crimes he did not commit.
那十八年太艰难了 It was rough, those 18 years.
但每一天我都要撑过去 But I had to do it day by day.
我要坚持下去 You know, to keep going.
必须调查清楚这是怎么发生的 Something had to be looked at to see how this happened
马克·刚札姆 威斯康星州立法议员 埃弗里专案组发起人
并且趁此机会 and use that maybe as a catalyst
不仅仅是调查1985年那一次案件 to look at more than just that case from 1985,
而是要研究整个体系 but the whole system as a whole.
何种改革 What kind of reforms
能让我们的体系更加接近真相和公正 get us closer to truth and justice in the system?
我担任了司法委员会主席 I chair the Judiciary Committee,
所以我成立了一个专案组 专门研究 so I started to develop a task force with an eye towards
"我们该如何防止此类事件再次发生" "How can we prevent this type of thing from happening again?"
2003年12月 埃弗里专案组展开听证 重新审查全州的警察和检察系统 史蒂文是第一个证人
我的家人坚持了一段时间 后来... My family stuck around for a while, then...
这太艰难了 it was hard.
所以我就让老婆离开了 So then I told the old lady to leave.
那是最难的部分 That was the hardest part.
如果我没记错 会上的所有人 Everyone on the assembly floor, if I recall,
都站起来 为他鼓掌 stood up, gave him a standing ovation
为他所经历的一切 for what he had had to go through...
及用他们的方式表达 and their own kind of
"很抱歉 我们的体系让你经历了这一切" "I'm sorry for what happened to you from the system."
专案组的人 出席委员会听证的人 People on the task force, people at the committee hearings,
每一位在座的人都在思考 every one of them is sitting there thinking,
"如果是我遇到这种事呢 "What if that had been me?
如果这十八年 What if that was my children
是我不能见我的孩子 陪他们玩球 that I didn't get to see or play ball with
或者不能念睡前故事给他们听呢" or read books to at night for 18 years?"
每一天我都在想埃弗里先生 Not a day goes by that I don't think about Mr. Avery,
他的家人 朋友和他们所遭遇的一切 his family and friends and the suffering they endured...
离开的时候 When it was time to leave,
我说 "史蒂文 我可以给你一个拥抱吗" I said, "Steve, could I give you a hug?"
潘妮·伯恩森 1985年性侵案的受害者
然后他就抓住我 紧紧地抱住了我 And he just grabbed me in a big bear hug
我对他说 and I said to him, you know,
"对不起 史蒂文 我真的非常抱歉" "I'm very sorry, Steve. I'm so sorry."
他说 "没关系 都过去了" And he said, "It's OK. It's over."
埃弗里专案组建议进行刑事司法改革 州立法机关开始起草《埃弗里法案》
一切都很顺利 Everything was going good.
我在废车场工作 I was working by the yard.
我尽我的努力 I'm trying to do my best,
不惹麻烦 过自己的幸福生活 stay out of trouble and just live happy.
最棒的事 The best thing?
可能是我遇上了乔蒂 Probably when I met Jodi.
我感到自己又能被人爱 Then I felt that I could be loved again
我可以再爱别人了 and I could love somebody again.
可以重新拥有未来了 And have a future again.
威斯康星州 麦迪逊
案情的明朗程度 The clarity of this situation,
有很多案子的情况是 there are lots of situations where
人们不会谈到赔偿 people don't talk about compensation or whatever
因为不能完全确定他们没有做 'cause it's not clear that they didn't do it.
只是掌握的证据 You just know that there's not enough
不足以把他们关进监狱 that you can keep 'em in prison.
但是我认为 对州里的大部分人来说 But this was so clear and the circumstances so troubling,
这个案件非常明确 情况非常很令人不安 I think, to most people in the state.
无辜入狱多年 埃弗里或将得到两万五千美元
我不清楚关于对误判的囚犯的 I wasn't familiar with the statute on prisoner compensation
赔偿规定 for being wrongfully convicted.
埃弗里该得到更多 立法者们认为司法赔偿不足
他们说 "五千一年 两万五封顶" And they said, "$5,000 a year, $25,000 cap,"
我感觉被愚弄了 我说 and I just kind of scoffed and I said,
"天啊 怎么着也该是两万五一年" "My goodness, it should be $25,000 a year."
所以我们要求赔偿四十五万美元 And that's where $450,000 came from.
两党立法委员组成的小组正设法 为史蒂文争取四十五万美元的误判赔偿
我去废车场看望了史蒂文很多次 I went out to the yard many times to see Steve.
看他过得好不好 适不适应 You know, see if he was all right and adjusting and,
金姆·杜卡特 史蒂文的表姐
最近的生活如何诸如此类的 you know, what's going on in his life and things like that.
他说 "现在 我就想陪在父母身边 And he says, "Right now, I want to be by my parents,
我想在废车场工作 我想融入进来" I want to work in the yard, I want to try to... try to fit in."
我觉得他出狱的时候 I think he felt that when he got out of prison,
有考虑要不要离开这个州 if he would've left the state
甚至跑到克里维茨躲起来 or even ran up to Crivitz and hid out,
我觉得他感觉到 I think he thought that
马尼托沃克县政府会逼他这么做 Manitowoc County was forcing him to do that.
但是他不会让任何人赶他走 And he wasn't gonna let anybody run him out of town.
他要留在这里 You know, he was gonna stay here
重新找回他的生活 and try to get some of his life back.
我觉得他希望整个马尼托沃克县看到 And I think he wanted Manitowoc County to see
他最终能回归正常的生活 that he was getting his life back.
以埃弗里的名义进行司法改革
史蒂文·埃弗里因莫须有的罪名 Steven Avery spent 18 years in prison
在监狱度过了十八年 for something he didn't do.
今天是埃弗里无罪释放的一周年 Today marks one year since Avery went home free.
2004年9月11日
他出狱后的时光与家人一同度过 His time spent out of prison has been with his family.
这感觉真好 我们又在一起了 It feels real good. Yeah. We can all be together again.
出狱后他还从未与给他定罪的人有过对话 He's never since spoken with the people who put him behind bars.
有办法能让你原谅他们吗 Is there any way you can forgive them?
说不好 I doubt it.
他们知道是自己做错了 They know they did wrong.
他和律师们打算提起诉讼 追究赔偿 He and his lawyers plan to file a lawsuit seeking damages.
埃弗里说金钱能帮他重新开始生活 Avery says money will help him get back on his feet,
但永远无法弥补逝去的时光 but it can never make up for lost time.
男子对误判提起诉讼 他因强奸罪在狱中服刑近十八年 汤姆·考克雷克撰稿
这场诉讼 从史蒂文的角度来说 The lawsuit, from Steven's perspective,
是建立在... and this is based on...
史蒂芬·格林 史蒂文的民权律师
他在听证会上 what he said to Penny Beerntsen
当着埃弗里专案组的面 对潘妮·伯恩森说的话 at the hearing in front of the Avery Task Force,
是想表达 诉讼的目的在于 was really about, he didn't want
他不希望任何人再经受他经历的一切 what happened to him to happen to anybody else.
而他也不希望 But he also didn't want
任何人再经受她经历的一切 what happened to her to happen to anybody else.
布朗县居民 1995年被格里高利·亚伦袭击
而显然在史蒂文·埃弗里坐牢时 And it clearly had because of what Gregory Allen did
还是有人惨遭格里高利·亚伦的毒手 while Steven Avery was sitting in prison.
美国地方法院 威斯康星州 密尔沃基
这起民事诉讼的核心是 The essence of the civil suit says
诉
马尼托沃克县政府 汤姆斯·考克雷克和丹尼斯·沃格尔 为被告
地方检察官和警长 that the district attorney and the sheriff
本应遵循宪法 were obliged constitutionally
沃尔特·凯利 史蒂文的民权律师
将格里高利·亚伦逃脱罪责的证据 to turn that exculpatory evidence about Gregory Allen
交给辩方 over to the defense.
这并非小案件 It's not a subtle, um... lawsuit,
因为这是一起严重的违宪行为 in that this is a gross constitutional violation.
超过100万美元 总额约达3600万美元
我们提出了3600万美元的损害赔偿 We've alleged $36,000,000 in damages
1800万美元
即按入狱时长 or a million dollars per year
进行每年100万美元的赔偿 for the years that he spent in prison,
另加1800万美元的罚金赔偿 and then the other $18,000,000 for penalty damages
征收惩罚性赔偿
或者说是威慑赔偿 or deterrents damages.
从史蒂文的角度来说 这和具体金额 From Steven's perspective, it couldn't have had less to do
一点关系也没有 with what the numbers were.
主要是确定各方在其中扮演了什么角色 It was entirely about, let's identify who did what here.
汤姆·考克雷克警长 马尼托沃克县县警局 1979-2001
丹尼斯·沃格尔 马尼托沃克县地方检察官
我们要确保 Let's make sure
让他们成为典型 提醒其他执法人员 that they are held up as examples to everybody else
知道你该做什么 不该做什么 in law enforcement as to what you do not do,
以及做了不该做的事情的后果会如何 and what the consequences are when you do what you should not do.
史蒂文·埃弗里 原告 诉
我们真正想谈的是责任归属 What we're really talking about is accountability.
诉
马尼托沃克县政府 汤姆斯·考克雷克和丹尼斯·沃格尔 为被告
我想避免再有其他家庭妻离子散 Trying to prevent another family broken.
不让悲剧再次发生 So it don't happen again.
朱蒂·德弗拉克副警长 马尼托沃克县警局 1981-1989
当伯恩森女士当晚在医院 When Mrs. Beerntsen gave the description of her assailant
描述攻击者时 at the hospital that night,
你是否说过 这听起来像是史蒂文·埃弗里 did you say that it sounded like Steven Avery?
2005年10月13日 埃弗里诉马尼托沃克县政府 取证
没有 先生 No, sir.
当晚之后你说了那句话 对吗 Later on that evening, you made that statement, is that right?
-反对问询形式 -你可以回答 - Object to form. - You may answer.
我不记得究竟是在那晚 I do not remember if it was that evening
还是在警局的时候说过 or possibly at the Sheriff's Department.
你确实说过 You made the statement that
这描述听起来像是史蒂文·埃弗里 the description sounded like Steven Avery,
你只是不记得你是在医院 you just don't remember whether you said it at the hospital
还是后来在警局说的 or whether you said it at the Sheriff's Department later on.
-是否... -我反对 - Is that... - I'm gonna object to that.
-是否属实 -因为她不是那么说的 - Is that correct? - Because that's not what she said.
而且我反对问询形式 And I object to the form.
你们上来作证不都宣誓过吗 Why don't you guys all just get sworn and testify here?
-让证人回答 -我没... - Let the witness answer. - I didn't...
我没有阻止证人回答问题 I'm not stopping the witness from answering.
你是在引导她说话 You're trying to tell her what to say.
你说"你说了这个" 她并没有说过 When you said, "You said this," and she didn't say that,
-我要反对... -她说了 -I'm gonna object... - Yes, she did.
确保记录是正确的 ...to make sure that the record is correct.
对于我们 总检察长的报告是个福音 For us, the attorney general's report was a blessing
因为在被询问的人中 至少有些人是 in that at least some of the people who were being questioned
没有想到会承担个人责任 did not anticipate any personal liability to themselves,
他们以为是在和执法机关谈论执法问题 felt like they were talking law enforcement to law enforcement,
沃尔特·凯利 史蒂文的民权律师
所以很坦白 and so were fairly candid.
所以那对我们非常有利 So that was very helpful to us
有些问题的答案我们需要 in terms of the discovery that we needed to conduct
在民事诉讼条件下询问他们 of those people in the civil suit environment,
而那时他们会意识到要负民事责任 by which time they did know about civil liability,
但现在 他们的言论已经记入调查报告了 but we already had their remarks down in investigatory reports.
不是朋友 如此肮脏的一个人 埃弗里家也非常...
然后陈述书上写着 And then the statement says,
"德弗拉克将埃弗里描述成如此肮脏的一个人 "Dvorak described Avery as such a dirty man
每一次埃弗里来监狱 that every time he would come to the jail,
警员都得让他洗个澡" the sheriff's deputies would have to make Avery take a shower."
-你看见了吗 -看见了 先生 -Do you see that? -Yes, sir.
你对斯特劳斯女士说了那些话吗 Did you tell that to Ms. Strauss?
可能吧 但不是那样说的 Possibly, but not in those words.
那是哪样说的 In what words?
-他... -你记得你跟她说的话吗 -That he... -Do you remember the words you told her?
我反对问询的形式 I'm gonna object to the form of the question.
好 Ok.
我没有记得很清楚 I do not remember specifically.
但读了这些 这不是我说的话 But reading this, this is not my words.
如果你不记得 你怎么知道不是 Well, if you don't remember, how can you tell us that?
反对 有争议 Objection. Argumentative.
继续 女士 请回答 Go ahead, ma'am. You can answer.
我在说话交谈聊天时 I would say I do not speak or talk,
都不会使用此种措辞 converse, in this kind of verbiage.
事实上 的确会有这样的情况 Well, we actually had instances where
当我们要求一些人宣誓作证时 people attempted to change what they had said
他们会试图修改自己对总检察长办公室的 to the investigators for the Attorney General's Office
探员们说过的话 when we were deposing them.
当然我们能够拿出调查报告 And of course we could produce the investigatory reports
说报告上写着你说了这些那些 and say this report says you said... thus and so.
她可能是断章取义 She may have taken the words out of context.
那你还说了什么 What context?
越是想摆脱之前的陈述 The more attempts there are to wiggle out of prior statements,
陈述越是不合理 the weaker become the rationalizations.
尤金·库舍总副警长 马尼托沃克县县警局 1979-2003
我们现在知道 伯恩森女士向你描述的人 So we now know that the person Mrs. Beerntsen described to you
是格里高利·亚伦 对吧 was Gregory Allen, right?
2005年10月26日 埃弗里诉马尼托沃克县政府 取证
-不对 -不对吗 - No. - No?
不对 No.
我们都知道是格里高利·亚伦 Well, we know that Gregory Allen
性侵了伯恩森女士 was the assailant of Mrs. Beerntsen
因为DNA结果表明匹配 because the DNA has shown that.
你知道 而我并不知道 Well, you know that. I don't know that.
我不会单靠这张画像就下定论 相信我 I don't take what's in the paper as gospel truth, believe me.
那你是否承认州罪证鉴定室 Well, do you take DNA evidence that's
所给出的DNA匹配结果 been done by the State Crime Lab
-该结果也成为撤销... -这个... - and become the basis for vacating... - That there was...
让我说完 Let me finish.
撤销史蒂文·埃弗里有罪的判决 Vacating a judgment of conviction of Steven Avery,
这足以让你 is that enough for you
确定史蒂文·埃弗里并未实施性侵了吗 to know that Steven Avery did not commit this assault?
不足以 这个证据是从哪来的 No. Where did the evidence come from?
我只想知道这点 That's all I'm asking.
你是说你质疑DNA检测结果... Are you saying you doubt the DNA examination...
匹配吗 我确定肯定会匹配 That there was a match? I believe there was a match.
-好 那你...-以前有没有 - OK, so you... - Has DNA evidence
伪造DNA证据的情况 been fabricated before?
-有过 -你觉得 - Yes. - You think
-觉得这次也是伪造的吗 -我不知道 - that happened here? - I don't know. I don't know.
所以你认为你的画像比 So you actually think that your sketch is
指正格里高利·亚伦的DNA匹配结果 more valid evidence than the DNA evidence that's
更加准确吗 inculpated Gregory Allen.
我的画像是根据她脑中所呈现的 My...my drawing was the result of
形象画出来的 what image she had in her head.
就是这样 That's what that is.
-我只是...画笔 -好 - I'm just... the pencil. - That's right.
-我只是画笔 -我同意 好的 - I'm just the pencil. - I agree with you. OK.
我的画像相比格里高利·亚伦 My sketch looks more like Steven Avery
更像史蒂文·埃弗里 than it does Gregory Allen.
对 没错 Right. That's right.
像史蒂文·埃弗里这样没有钱 One of the realities in this kind of litigation
也从未有过钱的嫌犯的诉讼案 for somebody like Steve Avery, who has no money,
有一个残酷的现实 who's never had money,
那就是保险公司 is that the insurance companies
会纷纷涌来说 would get together and say...
"给你一百万 放弃这件案子" "Here's a million dollars. Walk away from this case."
我们要怎么做 What could we possibly do
才能避免史蒂文接受这样的提议呢 to prevent Steve from having that happen?
2005年10月 立法委员开始起草 史蒂文被冤入狱的赔偿清单
我很想与你们共享我们的喜悦之情 I want to share with you, you know, how happy we were
当我们得知 when we realized that...
他距拿到四十万的赔偿仅有咫尺之遥 he was very, very close to having 400 grand put in his hand,
这样就排除了接受庭外和解低价赔偿的可能 which removes all of the incentive to take a lowball settlement.
只要拿到手 那他就能付得起诉讼费了 He could then afford to stay in the lawsuit as long as it took.
我过得挺好 I'm doing good.
我几乎每天都在工作 等乔蒂出来 I been working every day almost, waiting for Jodi to get out.
威斯康星州 巡回法院 马尼托沃克县
刑事交通诉讼
威斯康星州 原告
诉
乔蒂·斯塔超斯基 被告
她被拘留了 She got locked up...
你懂的 酒驾 drinking, you know, driving.
刑事交通诉讼
我也多次向乔蒂抱怨 让她别喝酒了 I hollered at Jodi quite a few times to stop drinking.
血液酒精含量
我猜她一定记在心里了 I guess it sunk into her
因为她确实不喝了 彻底改头换面 because she did stop and she's a different person now.
我要好好奖励她 I gotta give her a lot of credit.
等乔蒂出来 希望我们能订个日期结婚 When Jodi gets out, hopefully we can set a wedding date.
联邦大楼 美国联邦法院
在诉讼期间 我们得知了 We learned during litigation something we had
在起诉前完全不了解的情况 absolutely no knowledge of before that lawsuit got started,
1994或1995年
那就是1995年 that 1995 was
在此案中是极为关键的时间点 a very, very significant point in this thing.
我们在录像 We're on the record.
继续对埃弗里诉马尼托沃克县政府一案的取证 We're continuing depositions on the case of Avery Vs. Manit--
还有执法机关不仅 And that there is not only something to this idea
知道凶手另有其人 that law enforcement had information about somebody else,
而且内幕极深 but there is serious meat on those bones.
非常深 I mean, serious meat.
我们掌握到 What we learn is that
在史蒂文·埃弗里入狱的十年间 while Steven Avery is sitting in prison now for a decade...
安德鲁·科尔伯恩警官
有一通电话 a telephone call comes in
打到了马尼托沃克县警局 to the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department
我记得接到一通电话
是另一个执法机关打来的 from another law enforcement agency,
当时至少有一名警官接了电话 which at least one of the officers involved in that process,
对方应该是布朗县警局 believes to be the Brown County Sheriff's Department,
来自布朗县
称拘留了一位嫌犯 saying that they had someone in custody
声称自己在马尼托沃克县袭击他人 who said that he had committed an assault in Manitowoc,
而且是已有人替他坐牢的一起案子 and an assault for which somebody was currently in prison.
有人替他坐牢
-你已看过138号证物了吧 -是的 - You've gone over exhibit 138. - Yes, sir.
安德鲁·科尔伯恩警官 马尼托沃克县警局
上面写着你曾接到一通电话 It describes you receiving a telephone call,
时间是1994或1995年 1994 or 1995,
2005年10月13日 埃弗里诉马尼托沃克县政府 取证
对方声称自己是一名警探 对吧 from someone who identified himself as a detective, correct?
对 Yes.
警探称他们拘留了一位嫌犯 The detective indicated that there was a person in custody
说他曾经在马尼托沃克县犯下某案 对吧 who had made a statement about a Manitowoc County offense. Correct?
-对 -好 - Yes. - OK.
被拘留的这位嫌犯称 And what that person in custody had said
他在马尼托沃克县袭击他人 was that he had committed an assault in Manitowoc County
但有人替他坐了牢 对吧 and someone else was in jail for it. Correct?
是的 Yes, sir.
马尼托沃克县并没有 Manitowoc doesn't have
大量犯人被判入狱的重大刑事案件 huge numbers of major assaults where people go to prison.
犯人真正入狱服刑的案件就更是少之又少 And certainly where people would still be in prison.
声称自己袭击他人
我想说 极有可能那个人 There is a very distinct possibility, I would say likelihood,
就是格里高利·亚伦 that it's Gregory Allen,
1985年 史蒂文·埃弗里被冤入狱
布朗县警局 it's the Brown County Sheriff's Department
1995年 格里高利·亚伦在布朗县因性侵被捕
在1995年 that is that is, in 1995,
格里高利·亚伦一案中 on the Gregory Allen Case,
格里高利·亚伦供述了有关史蒂文·埃弗里的事 that Gregory Allen has said something about Steven Avery,
安德鲁·科尔伯恩接到有关真凶认罪的电话
至少也得有个人去查验一下这件事 and at a minimum somebody ought to check this out.
这...这事显然非同小可 I mean, that's... that's a significant event.
没错 我当时也是这么想的 Right. That's what stood out in my mind.
接到电话的警官名叫科尔伯恩 The fellow who got that call was named Colborn.
你可能会觉得应该会有一份 And you might say that there should be a record of him
他立即上报电话一事的记录 immediately making a report on this.
应该会有一份 There might be a record of
他立即与上级领导联系的记录 his immediately contacting a supervising officer.
应该会有一份他联系 There might be a record of him contacting
专门负责性侵案件的警探的记录 a detective who handles sexual assault cases.
总该有某个什么记录吧 There might be some record of it.
但如果你以为会这样 你就错了 But if you thought any of those things, you'd be wrong,
1995年 安德鲁·科尔伯恩接到有关真凶认罪的电话
因为1995年没有任何记录 because there isn't any record in 1995,
1996 1997 1998 1999 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999,
2000 2001 2002 到2003年 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003.
2003年是个重要的年份 Now 2003 is a year that has meaning
2003年9月11日 DNA结果证明史蒂文·埃弗里无罪 2003年9月12日
因为史蒂文·埃弗里在那一年出狱 because that's when Steven Avery got out.
而在他出狱的次日或隔日 And the day he got out, or the day after,
科尔伯恩决定 that's when Colborn decides to
联络他的上级长官伦克 contact his superior officer named Lenk.
而伦克告诉他要写一份报告 And Lenk tells him to write a report,
随后他们又去联系了警长 and they then go have contact with the sheriff.
我们现在停下来想一想 Now let's just stop and think about that for a minute.
为什么会这样 Why does that happen?
为什么八年前不上报 Why does it happen then
却在那时上报呢 when it didn't happen eight years earlier?
我想我知道答案 I mean, I think I know the answer.
我觉得答案非常简单 I mean, I think the answer is pretty clearly,
是因为那些人意识到他们惹了大祸 these people realized that they had screwed up big-time.
科尔伯恩意识到了 他的长官伦克意识到了 Colborn realized it, Lenk, as his superior realized it,
警长也意识到了 and the sheriff realized it.
所以伦克让科尔伯恩写报告 So Lenk tells Colborn to write a report,
警长又跟伦克说 "把报告给我" the sheriff tells Lenk, "Get me the report."
警长把报告放进了保险箱里 The sheriff puts the report in a safe.
他就是如此看重对这件事的记录 That's how much he cares about documenting this thing.
很明显 事情发生八年后才记录下来 Well, obviously, it doesn't do anybody--
这对任何人都没好处 Well, it certainly doesn't do Steve Avery any good
起码对史蒂文·埃弗里没有任何好处 to document that eight years after the fact.
因为在那八年中 史蒂文·埃弗里一直 Because Steve Avery has been sitting in a cage
蹲在监狱里 for those eight years.
你和彼得森警长商谈之后 This document didn't begin to get prepared
詹姆斯·伦克警督 马尼托沃克县警局
才写了这份文件 until after you had talked to Sheriff Petersen.
-这么说正确吗 -正确 - Is that a fair statement? - Correct.
这就说明 This indicates that
2005年10月11日 埃弗里诉马尼托沃克县政府 取证
科尔伯恩说有人在1995或1996年告诉他 Colborn said he was informed by someone in '95, '96
"那个案子已经侦破 that "The case was already solved
那个案子已经侦破
真凶也已逮捕" and the right person was arrested."
-是吗 -是的 - True? - True.
科尔伯恩警官想不起来是谁告诉他 Sergeant Colborn couldn't recall who it was that told him
案子已经侦破了 that the case had already been solved.
-对吗 -对 他是这么和我说的 - True? - True. It's what he told me.
他有没有猜过是谁 或者有没有说过 Did he have-- Did he make any guesses about that or say,
"可能是这个人 "Gee, it could've been this person,
或者是那个人 我不大确定" it could've been that person, I'm not sure"?
他当时不确定 他... He wasn't sure. He...
声明
詹姆斯·伦克 2003年9月12日
我是詹姆斯·伦克警督 今天在办公室里 和安德鲁·科尔伯恩警官谈到了一名警探 谈话中提到了史蒂文·埃弗里获得释放 科尔伯恩向我提供了如下信息
你见过第125号证物吗 You recognize exhibit 125?
那是一份警局的声明书 That's one of the Sheriff's Department statement forms,
肯尼斯·彼得森警长 马尼托沃克县警局 1979-2007 1985年逮捕史蒂文的警官
看上去上面有詹姆斯·伦克的签名 and it looks like James Lenk's signature on it.
-好 你之前见过这份文件吗 -没有 - OK. Have you seen this document before? - No.
2005年10月13日 埃弗里诉马尼托沃克县政府 取证
好 那第138号证物呢 这是... OK. And how about 138, which is the...
-你来说说这是什么吧 -好的 - Well, you tell me what it is. - Yeah.
这是我们的另一份声明书 That's another one of our statement forms.
安德鲁·科尔伯恩警官
日期 2003年9月12日 时间 13点30分
看来是安德鲁·科尔伯恩填写的 It looks like it was filled out by Andrew Colborn.
安德鲁·科尔伯恩警官
同样 你此前有没有看过这份文件 And again, have you seen that document before today?
没有 No.
很多人让我要小心 A lot of people told me to watch my back.
基本上 我不信他们的话 Most of the time, I didn't even believe 'em.
但后来 坐在那里作证的时候 But then, sitting and doing depositions,
我也不清楚 我开始有点担心 I don't know, it kinda changed my mind.
我不知道
那位警探说的是哪宗案子
他们以前有所掩盖 They were covering something up.
而他们当时依然在掩盖什么 And they were still covering something up.
我不记得那位警探提到了任何名字
即便是现在在位的那位警长 他依然... Even with the sheriff who's on there now, he's...
有所掩盖 covering something up.
除了彼得森警长伦克警督 Have you ever had any conversations with anybody else
安德鲁·科尔伯恩警官 马尼托沃克县警局
你还和其他任何人说过 other than Sheriff Petersen and Lieutenant Lenk
第138号证物中提到的事情吗 about the subject matter of exhibit 138?
和任何人谈论过吗 Ever discuss it with anyone else?
其他警官 朋友或者家人 有吗 Any other officers, any friends, any family?
我想不起来一个特定的人 Not that I can specifically recall.
我可能和其他人提起过 I may have mentioned it to other people,
但我想不起来 but I don't recall doing it.
马克·罗勒 马尼托沃克县地方检察官
当你收到罪证鉴定室发来的信息 At the time that you received information from the crime lab
得知格里高利·亚伦才是 telling you that Gregory Allen was inculpated
2005年9月22日 埃弗里诉马尼托沃克县政府 取证
伯恩森女士性侵案的真凶 in the sexual assault of Mrs. Beerntsen,
你有没有 did you have conversation
和警局里任何人谈过 with any people in the sheriff's office?
-谈过 -和谁 - Yes. - Who were they?
安迪·科尔伯恩 Andy Colborn...
和詹姆·伦克 and Jim Lenk...
他曾经接到过这个消息 had information that he had received.
请你看一下第124号证物 Let me show you what's been marked as exhibit 124.
-我知道这份文件 -好 - I'm familiar with the document. - OK.
内部通知 收件人 马克·罗勒 日期 2003年9月18日 寄件人 道格拉斯·琼斯 回复 史蒂文·埃弗里的档案 案件号不明
道格拉斯·琼斯是谁 Who is Douglass Jones?
马尼托沃克县的助理地方检察官 Assistant district attorney for Manitowoc County.
好 这份内部通知的内容是什么 All right. What is this memo to your understanding?
这很显而易见 It speaks for itself.
他和尤金·库舍在电话里说了这件案子 He had a telephone conversation with Gene Kusche about the case.
尤金·库舍总副警长 马尼托沃克县县警局 1979-2003
这份文件记载了 This document reflects a conversation
你和道格拉斯·琼斯的一次对话 between you and Douglass Jones
时间是在公众都得知 shortly after it became public knowledge that
史蒂文·埃弗里是无罪的 Steven Avery had been exculpated
而真正有罪的是格里高利·亚伦之后 是吗 and that Gregory Allen had been inculpated, right?
-是的 -好 道格拉斯·琼斯说 - That's correct. - All right. He says as he, Doug Jones,
上周四 2003年9月11日 我打电话说了...
在他想结束对话的时候 was trying to close the conversation,
你告诉他 "在1995或1996年 you told him "That in '95 or '96,
安迪·科尔伯恩告诉马尼托沃克县警长 汤姆·考克雷克 Andy Colborn had told Manitowoc County Sheriff, Tom Kocourek,
狱警 安德鲁·科尔伯恩
马尼托沃克县警局 警长 汤姆·考克雷克
说一名布朗县的警官曾告诉科尔伯恩 that an officer from Brown County had told Colborn
布朗县的警官
亚伦 而非埃弗里
可能伯恩森性侵案的 that Allen and not Avery
真凶是亚伦 而不是埃弗里" might have actually committed the Beerntsen assault." OK?
你有没有这么告诉道格拉斯·琼斯 Did you in fact tell that to Douglass Jones?
-我不记得了 -好 - I don't recall. - All right.
看到这份文件 第124号 Does seeing this document, 124,
能否帮你回想起一些情况 refresh your recollection?
内部通知 收件人 马克·罗勒 日期 2003年9月18日 寄件人 道格拉斯·琼斯 回复 史蒂文·埃弗里的档案 案件号不明
我记得清楚这次对话了 我只记得 My recollection of this conversation, which is not very strong,
科尔伯恩向我报告 was that Colborn made a comment to me
说他得到了一些信息 about getting some information.
是吗 Yeah?
按照报告上写的 下一句话说的是 OK, the statement goes on and says, the next sentence says,
-"基因检测证明" 这是你说的 -对 - "Gene stated...", that's you. - Mm.
马尼托沃克县警局 警长 汤姆·考克雷克 狱警 安德鲁·科尔伯恩
"考克雷克告诉科尔伯恩 "...that Colborn was told by Kocourek
大概意思是 something to the effect that
'我们抓的人没错 'we already have the right guy
我们抓的人没错
让他不用担心" and he should not concern himself.'"
-请回答 科尔伯恩告诉过你这些吗 -我不记得 - Now, did Colborn tell that to you? - I don't recall it.
你认为有没有可能道格·琼斯 Do you have any reason to believe that Doug Jones
-错误记录了你告诉他的话 -不会 - would misrecord what you told him? - No.
好 Ok.
接下来 文件上还写到 Then it goes on to say that
道格·琼斯问你这个消息是否有人知道 Doug Jones asked you if this information was known.
-你记得他有问过你这句话吗 -不记得 - Do you remember him asking you that? - No.
文件上继续记录到 你说伦克 Then it goes on to say that you said Lenk,
当时马尼托沃克县警局的警督 M.T.S.O. Lieutenant James Lenk,
和侦查局指挥官的詹姆斯·伦克"知情" Detective Bureau Command Officer, "Was aware."
你是这样告诉道格·琼斯的吗 Did you tell that to Doug Jones?
如果他是这样写的 那我大概说过 If he put it there, I probably did.
你这么认为的根据是什么 And what was the basis for your knowledge about that?
有可能是安迪·科尔伯恩告诉我的 It would've had to have been from Andy Colborn.
此举有失公平地隐藏了 This was unconscionable withholding of information
本可以为史蒂文·埃弗里的律师所用的信息 that would have been of use to Steven Avery's lawyers
那时候恰恰处在案件诉讼过程中 who were right at that time, in the middle of litigation,
他的律师以指甲的抓痕为依据 asserting, based on the fingernail scrapings,
汤姆·考克雷克警长 马尼托沃克县警局 1979-2001
坚持表明还有其他人员涉及此案件 that there may have been somebody else involved in this.
如果那条信息在1995年的时候公之于众 If that information had come to light in 1995,
史蒂文·埃弗里早在1995年就能被释放了 Steven Avery would've gotten out in 1995.
因此他们耽误了史蒂文·埃弗里长达八年的时光 So they cost Steven Avery eight years of his life.
在一个诉讼案子里 This is as close to a conspiracy of silence
此举与保持缄默的密约无异 as I think you could find in a case.
你当时是否把这条信息 Did you provide this information
马克·罗勒 马尼托沃克县地方检察官
报告给总检察长办公室 to the Attorney General's Office?
是的 我记得我们报告了 Yes. My recollection says I believe we did.
"我们"包括谁 And who's "we"?
迈克·格里斯巴赫和我一同去了麦迪逊 Mike Griesbach and I when we went to Madison.
但这份内部通知 But this memo is...
是在你已经去过麦迪逊之后起草的 was drafted after you had been to Madison.
我不是十分确定我们去麦迪逊的日期 I'm not sure the date we were in Madison.
你的意思是你把这条信息 You're saying you told that information
上报给了总检察长办公室 to the Attorney General's Office?
我们把手上所有掌握的材料 We passed everything we had obtained
都上交给了总检察长办公室 to the Attorney General's Office.
好 但无论是这份内部通知 OK, well, neither this memo
还是科尔伯恩和伦克的任何信息 nor anything about Colborn and Lenk
都没有包括在你们 is in any of the records that were provided
上交给总检察长办公室的材料里 to the Attorney General's Office.
我可以明确告诉你 I can tell you that.
马尼托沃克县
2005年9月22日
2005年10月11日
2005年十月 从马尼托沃克县政府 October of 2005, from the perspective of
和他们的辩护律师所处的位置来看 the Manitowoc County government and their defense lawyers,
2005年10月13日
我相信他们都知道 I believe they all knew that
2005年10月13日
他们陷入了最严重的那类麻烦 they were in the most serious kind of trouble.
他们即将面临一次严重的 That there was a very grave prospect of a very,
2005年10月13日
逃脱不掉的裁决 very substantial verdict.
2005年10月26日
马尼托沃克县政府和警长 Manitowoc County and the sheriff
以及地方检察官他们的费用 and the district attorney
按理来说可以交由保险公司来负责 are arguably covered by insurance policies,
至少有六种不错的保单可供他们选择 and there's a good half dozen insurance policies.
然而 保险公司决定 However, the insurers have taken the position
由于此次针对县政府 警长以及地方检察官 that because of the nature of the allegations
所提出的诉讼的性质 against the county, the sheriff and the DA,
保单不予以支付其费用 the policies do not cover.
这就意味着将由马尼托沃克县政府 Which would mean that Manitowoc County itself
警长以及地方检察官自已 and the sheriff and the DA
为这次民事诉讼案件中造成的伤害负责 would be on the hook for those damages in that civil suit.
不用其他人说我们也知道 We don't need to have somebody tell us
这次诉讼将对执法机构造成一定的影响 that this is going to have an effect on law enforcement.
对执法机构造成影响是毋庸置疑的 Of course it has an effect on law enforcement.
他们是活该 Are you kidding me?
史蒂文·埃弗里 原告 诉 马尼托沃克县政府 汤姆斯·考克雷克 个人及其作为马尼托沃克县警长的公权 和丹尼斯·沃格尔 个人于马尼托沃克县地方检察官一职的执行 管理 顾问之责 及其作为马尼托沃克县地方地方检察官的公权 为被告
执法机构在法庭上只要有 I mean, law enforcement officers get uptight
汤姆斯·考克雷克 个人及其作为马尼托沃克县警长的公权
一丝一毫说错话的迹象 when there's even a suggestion
他们都会感到紧张不安 that they have said something wrong in a courtroom.
丹尼斯·沃格尔
个人及其作为马尼托沃克县地方地方检察官的公权
试想这样的情景 Imagine what it's like
你要向别人承认你是个骗子 when you're going to say that you're a liar
你隐藏了证据 and that you hid evidence
而且还是故意对一个你本来知道 and that you deliberately prosecuted a person
或至少有理由知道是无罪的人 that you knew, or at least had reason to know,
提起诉讼 wasn't guilty of the crime.
姑且抛开这些不谈 And putting all that aside, by the way,
就从你自己的专业素养上来说 in terms of your own professionalism,
真正的犯人在外面强奸伤害女性 there's a guy out there raping and beating women
而你关进监狱的那个人只能在牢房里度日 while the guy that you put in prison is sitting in a cell.
你会作何感想 How's that make you feel?
马尼托沃克县
就在我们即将 We were just on the absolute edge
准备起诉 of getting ready to go after
安排在2005年11月10日进行取证
几名已经取证的涉案被告时 the named defendants in the case with depositions...
安排在2005年11月15日进行取证
我接到了沃尔特的电话 when I get a call from Walt,
他告诉我有一名记者给他打电话 who tells me that he has gotten a call from a journalist
问我们两个有谁是否愿意 asking if either of us would care to comment
对史蒂文·埃弗里和 on the apparent intersection
马尼托沃克区域内一名失踪女性 in life between Steven Avery
之间存在的交集发表一下看法 and a woman who has gone missing in the Manitowoc area,
后来我们知道她就是特瑞莎·海尔贝克 whom we later learn to be Teresa Halbach.
2005年 10月11日 伦克警督和桑迪·莫里斯取证完毕
10月13日 科尔伯恩警官 朱蒂·德弗拉克和彼得森警长取证完毕
10月26日 尤金·库舍取证完毕
10月31日 特瑞莎·海尔贝克最后出现在人们视线里
11月1日《埃弗里法案》在州立法会通过
11月3日 特瑞莎·海尔贝克被报告为失踪
11月4日
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卡柳梅特县警长称 直至今晚 The Calumet County Sheriff says the disappearance
特瑞莎·海尔贝克失踪事件仍是一个谜案 of Teresa Halbach remains a mystery tonight.
这名25岁的女性最后出现在人们视线里 The 25-year-old was last seen
特瑞莎·海尔贝克 25岁
是周一下午在马尼托沃克县 Monday afternoon in Manitowoc County.
目前警方正在指挥空中搜寻 Right now, police are conducting an aerial search
搜寻范围从马尼托沃克一直延伸到格林湾 of the land from Manitowoc to Green Bay.
警方希望能找到特瑞莎的车 They're hoping to locate Teresa's car,
并声称此车对案件的调查至关重要 which they say is a major key in their investigation.
她的车是1999年产的墨绿色丰田RAV4 That car is a 1999 dark green Toyota RAV4,
如图片所示 just like the one you see here.
杰夫·亚历山大带来了最新的调查结果 Jeff Alexander has the latest in the investigation.
特瑞莎摄影
海尔贝克是一位专业摄影师 Halbach is a professional photographer.
《汽车交易家》
她的客户之一是《汽车交易家》杂志 One of her clients is Auto Trader
警方称周一下午她人在马尼托沃克县 and police say she was in Manitowoc County Monday afternoon
辗转三处拍摄私家车的照片 at three different private homes, taking pictures of cars.
讽刺的是 海尔贝克周一的最后一站 Ironically, Halbach's last stop Monday
正是史蒂文·埃弗里家 was at Steven Avery's home.
当时她去那拍摄这辆1989年的道奇凯领 She was there to photograph this 1989 Dodge Caravan.
埃弗里定期在《汽车交易家》杂志登广告 Avery regularly advertises in Auto Trader magazine
并表示海尔贝克去年曾多次 and says Halbach has visited his home on assignment
被杂志指派去他家 several times in the past year.
她当天有没有提到过其他的预约 Did she mention any other appointments that day
或是类似的安排 or anything like that?
没有 没提到过 No, I don't think so.
因为她大部分时间都在拍照片 Because most of the time, she takes a picture
然后她会抄下序列号... and then she writes down the serial number...
之后她会过来收取费用 and then she comes and collects the money and...
就没别的了 and that's about it.
警方都问了你哪些问题 OK. So what kinds of questions are police asking you?
就问问她什么时候走的 大概时间 Just when she was out here. What time. Around.
别的没问什么 That was about it.
他们有没有叫你做测谎之类的测试 Did they ask you to take a polygraph or anything like that?
没有 没有 No. No.
今晚警察过来问我有没有想起什么情况 Tonight the cops come and they asked me if I remembered anything
我说没有 and I told them no.
然后他们问我能不能进我家 You know, then they asked me if they can come in the house
搜查一下 我回答说 and check the house over. I said,
我觉得没什么不妥 进来吧 "I got no problem with that. Come on in."
他们就把房子从里到外搜查了一遍 So they checked the house all over.
一切都很正常 他们就走了 You know, everything was fine and then they left.
既然你认识她 And I mean, knowing her, I mean,
你觉得她的父母此刻是怎样的心情 what are your feelings for her parents and...
他们一定在经历地狱般的煎熬 They must be going through hell.
2005年11月4日 特瑞莎失踪第四天
这太难以接受了 This is very hard to take.
凯伦·海尔贝克 特瑞莎的母亲
我们很爱她 我们非常想念她 We love her a lot. We miss her very much.
过去的两天... It's just very odd that we...
她音信全无 也不回电话 we didn't hear from her for the last two days
太奇怪了 when she didn't return calls, you know?
我们还抱着乐观的态度 We're hoping for the best.
如果她还在某处 我们希望她能回家 If she's out there, we want her home.
我们想知道她经历了什么 You know, we want to know what happened to her.
根据我们的调查 她三个拍摄点都去了 From what we understand, she made all three stops.
在第三处的拍摄结束后 And after the third stop is where,
麦克·海尔贝克 特瑞莎的弟弟
她没有再拨出或接入电话 she stopped answering the phone or she stopped making calls.
连语音留言也没再听过 She hadn't listened to any voicemail messages after that.
她没有用信用卡进行过交易 She didn't make any credit card transactions.
我们完全不知道那之后发生了些什么 So... we don't know what happened after that.
你还好吗 How are you holding up?
那种悲痛的心情 I mean... the grieving process, you know,
可能持续几天 几周 could last days, could last weeks,
也可能持续好几年 could last years.
希望我们能找到答案 You know, hopefully, we find answers
越快越好 这样我们才能 as soon as possible so we can, you know,
开始...但愿能向前看 继续生活 begin to... hopefully, you know, move on,
但愿那时特瑞莎没有离开我们 hopefully with Teresa still in our life.
所有的小镇 哪怕是圣纳赞兹 玛丽镇 All the small towns, even St. Nazianz, Marytown,
奇尔顿 新荷尔斯泰因 还是基尔镇 Chilton, New Holstein, Kiel...
基本上所有的公共场合我们都找过了 So basically we're looking at any public place,
酒吧 餐厅 加油站 bars, restaurants, gas stations,
瑞恩·希莱加斯 特瑞莎的前男友
杂货店 邮局 银行 grocery stores, post offices, banks...
任何你能想到的地方 any place you can think of
任何允许你贴海报的地方 any place that's gonna allow you to put the posters up.
紧急寻人 特瑞莎·海尔贝克
有没有人熟悉马尼托沃克两河一带 And if anybody knows, like, Manitowoc-Two Rivers kind of area,
斯科特·布勒多恩 特瑞莎的室友
如果你们熟悉的话 I mean, if you know it...
最好让你们负责那一带 that would be best to send you guys there.
如果你们有任何发现 If you do find anything,
比如发现了她的车 say you find the truck,
比如你们发现有人见过她或和她有过接触 say you talk to somebody that has seen her or made contact
或者知道她的行踪之类的 or knows her whereabouts or anything,
什么都不要碰 don't touch anything.
这个好像非常重要 Make -- It's very important, I guess.
什么都不要碰 Um, don't touch anything.
要么联系警探 Get a hold of either the detective
要么联系奇尔顿的调度员 or dispatch in Chilton and just, you know,
告诉他们你发现了线索 你很在意 tell them you're really concerned and you found this
然后他们会处理并联络需要联络的人员 and they can take care of getting a hold of who we need to.
紧急寻人 特瑞莎·海尔贝克
我不知道该期望什么 I don't know what to hope.
我不知道我是不是希望他们找到车 I don't know if you want to find a vehicle
麦克·海尔贝克 特瑞莎的弟弟
然后发现她横尸在车里 and, you know, she's there.
我也不知道我是不是希望他们什么都找不到 I don't know if you want to find nothing
我就能抱着希望 她仍在某个地方 活着 and hope that she's somewhere still, um... alive.
我们不知道该... You know, we don't know what to...
我不知道该期望什么 I don't know what to hope.
2005年11月5日 特瑞莎失踪第五天
你好 我是帕姆·斯特姆 Hi, this is Pam Sturm.
我在搜寻特瑞莎·海尔贝克 I'm on the search for Teresa Halbach
我们找到了一辆RAV4 and we have found a RAV4.
-车上有车牌吗 -车上... - Is there any license plates on it? - There's --
没有车牌 但车被掩藏起来了 No plates on it, but it's a little covered up.
它被掩藏起来了 这很奇怪 It's weird. It's covered up.
好 你能走到车辆正前方吗 OK. Can you get to the front of the car?
好 我可以 Yeah, I will.
我能找到车辆识别码 我可以进车里看看吗 I can find a VIN number. Is it OK if I go in the car?
不 不要进那辆车 也不要碰它 No, do not go in the car. Do not touch the car.
-好 -留在车外 - Yeah, well-- - Stay on the outside of the car,
到前面驾驶座那边去 go over to the front on the driver's side--
好 等等 OK, now hang on.
最前...最后四位数是 3044 The fir-- the last four digits: three, zero, four, four.
-好 你在哪里 -号码对吗 - OK, where are you? - Is that the number?
你在哪里 Where are you?
不 你得告诉我是不是这辆车 No, you gotta tell me if this is the car.
好 停 我没办法告诉你什么 你在哪里 OK, stop. I can't tell you anything. Where are you?
我在埃弗里废车场 I'm at Avery Salvage.
除了汽车之外 有其他发现吗 Other than the car, do we have anything else?
还没有 Not yet.
好 抓到他了吗 OK, is he in custody?
没有 现在还没有 Negative, nothing yet.
道路封闭
前方道路封闭 只准当地车辆通行
他们封锁了史蒂文·艾弗里家周围 They blocked off about a four-mile stretch of the highway
四英里长的公路 that surrounds the Steven Avery home.
此前 危险品紧急处理组和 And earlier, hazmat vehicles also arrived on the scene,
五大湖K-9搜索和救援小组都抵达了现场 as well as the Great Lakes K-9 Search and Rescue.
埃弗里废车场
乔蒂从监狱给史蒂文打电话
家里一个人都没有 It's just bullshit that they can go
他们就这么去搜查简直是乱来 and search our house and nobody there.
对啊 他们把废车场翻得乱七八糟 Well, yeah, they got the whole yard tore apart.
-真的吗 -是啊 乱成一片 - Do they? - Yeah, the whole shit.
县警局录像
-我很害怕 -我也是 - I'm scared. - Yeah, me too.
-也不是害怕 就是很担心 -是啊 - Well, not scared, just worried. - Yeah.
史蒂文·埃弗里情况如何 What's the status of Steven Avery?
史蒂文·埃弗里 埃弗里路12390号
这次他是嫌疑人吗 Is he a suspect at this time?
与案件有关吗 A person of interest?
杰瑞·帕戈尔警长 卡柳梅特县警局
在这个特殊时刻 Everybody is a person of interest
每个人都与案件有关 at this particular time.
史蒂文·埃弗里在这个特殊时刻 Steven Avery is no more a suspect
并没有比其他人更有嫌疑 or a person of interest than anybody else
或是更加相关 at this particular time.
所有警力都集中在埃弗里废车场 Everything is aimed at the Avery compound.
除了调查埃弗里废车场以外 Do you have any other large-scale place
还有调查其他大型场地吗 that's being investigated besides the Avery compound?
对此我无可奉告 I will not disclose that information.
马尼托沃克犯罪现场调查组
目前对谁可以进入废车场 You know, there's been speculation around
存在许多猜测 who has access to the yard.
你认为你的两个兄弟 Do you think your two brothers
与此事有关吗 could've had anything to do with this?
没有 没有任何关系 No. No. Not at all.
你得知道 在晚上 Look, anybody can go
大家都在睡觉的时候 down the road at nighttime, you know,
任何人都有可能走那条路 when everybody's sleeping.
开进去就行 You know, just drive in.
我哥哥什么都听不见的 My brother ain't gonna hear nothing.
那你认为她是遭到了谁的毒手呢 So who do you think did something with her?
我不知道 I got no idea.
不知道是不是县政府动了什么手脚 If the county did something, or whatever,
试图让证据都指向我 in trying to plant evidence on me or something,
我也不知道 I don't know.
县政府要真做出这种事 我也不会讶异 I wouldn't put nothing past the county.
马克·罗勒 马尼托沃克县地区检察官
为避免出现任何不当行为 To avoid any appearance whatsoever of any impropriety,
我决定任命 I made the decision to seek the appointment
卡柳梅特县地区检察官肯·克拉兹 of Ken Kratz, Calumet County District Attorney,
为本案的特别检察官 as special prosecutor in this case.
埃弗里先生认为马尼托沃克县政府 What is your response to Mr. Avery's comment
可能试图给他强加罪名 that Manitowoc County may be trying to
肯·克拉兹 特别检察官 卡柳梅特县地区检察官
您对此事作何回应 pull one over on him?
我很乐意对此发言 Yeah, that I'm happy to talk about.
再次重申 那个案子对于 That's something that, again,
罗勒地区检察官 福克斯法官 District Attorney Rohrer and Judge Fox
马尼托沃克县警局 and really the Manitowoc Sheriff's Department
以及其他执法部门 and other law enforcement community
都极其敏感... was very sensitive to...
不容许出现任何争议 any appearance at all of conflict.
我认为不仅是真实出现的争议 Not just an actual conflict,
而是包含任何形式出现的争议 but any appearance of conflict, I think.
再者 罗勒地区检察官 Again, talking about District Attorney Rohrer,
他要求另一个机构 the foresight that he had to bring in another agency,
比如卡柳梅特县的执法机构 a law enforcement agency, like Calumet County,
还要求另一位检察官 another prosecutor like
比如卡柳梅特县地区检察官 the Calumet County District Attorney,
他煞费苦心如此 was meant to do just that,
就是为了确保不会出现 to make sure that there couldn't even be
任何这样的指控 those kind of allegations.
他们什么都没有发现 They ain't finding nothing.
因为的确什么都没有 'Cause there ain't nothing there,
他们怎么会有所发现呢 so why are they gonna find anything?
我能想到的只有 All I can think is
他们企图再次栽赃我 they're trying to railroad me again.
县警局录像
"尊敬的埃弗里先生 我诚挚地邀请您..." "Dear Mr. Avery. I would like to invite you--"
等等 我把椅子移开 Here, I'll move this chair.
地板这里有个洞 小心点 There's a hole in the floor right here. Be careful.
好 Ok.
"出席'威斯康星昭雪计划' "To a luncheon that the Wisconsin Innocence Project
威斯康星大学法学院 2005年11月1日
于今年11月19日 will be holding for exonerees
为威斯康星州及其周边的 from Wisconsin and surrounding states
无罪蒙冤人士举办的午餐会 on November 19th of this year.
史蒂文·埃弗里 埃弗里路12390号
此次午餐会的目的在于 The purpose of this luncheon
让所有无罪蒙冤人士团结起来 will be to bring exonerees together
建立彼此互帮互助的网络和团队" to build a network and support group for each other."
我看他是没法出席了 I don't think he's gonna be able to make it.
谨上 康斯威星昭雪计划 罗宾·道尔顿 法律系学生
我们应该把这些鞋子都带走 We should take all those shoes
以备一些需要比对脚印 in case we have any unsolved burglaries
来侦破的盗窃案之需 with foot impressions.
看这个 Yeah, there we go.
你可以把它拿到这边一点吗 Can you move it over here a little bit?
很好 Perfect.
我还没回家 他们就在搜查了 I hadn't been home. They just been searching.
要把证据放进我的家里 或者废车场里 You know, how hard is it to put evidence in the house?
有什么难度 Or on the property?
警长 那个老警长 The sheriff-- the old sheriff
之前就这样栽赃过我 was out to get me the first time.
我怎么知道 How do I know he ain't got
他这次会不会也那样干 对吧 nothing to do with it this time, you know?
我不知道 I don't know.
在执法机构为期八天的调查期间 埃弗里一家被禁止踏入其产权下的土地和房屋
米什康特
米什康特消防局 区域急救服务
你们有继续和史蒂文·埃弗里谈话吗 Have you continued to talk to Steven Avery?
他们正在...他正在配合调查 They are-- He is cooperating with the investigation.
杰瑞·帕戈尔警长 卡柳梅特县警局
他家的其他人呢 Is the rest of his family?
是的 他们也在配合调查 Yes, they are.
-为什么 -你们是否清楚 - How so? - Do you yet know
她预约拍摄的顺序 what the order of her appointments was
以及她最后拜访的是谁 and who she visited last?
我们认为应该快查清了 We feel we are narrowing in on that.
你认为史蒂文·埃弗里是她生前见过的 Do you think Steven Avery is the last person
最后一个人吗 who saw her alive?
我们认为应该快查清了 We feel we are narrowing in on that.
头条新闻
今晚 埃弗里一家觉得 Tonight the Averys feel like
他们已然成为本次调查的焦点 they've become the focus of this investigation
并且感觉到警方不信他们的话 and feel like police are calling them liars.
埃弗里一家目前都蛰居在 The entire Avery family is holed up
马里内特县的一间小屋里 in their Marinette County cabin right now,
事发三天后 他们被告知仍不得回家 being told after three days they still cannot go home.
但他们说 调查人员不告诉他们 Yet they say investigators won't tell them
发生了什么事 what's going on.
埃弗里说 他觉得自己又成了一名嫌疑犯 Avery says he once again feels like a suspect
他很担心警方随时可能逮捕他 and fears that any moment, police could arrest him.
一切又回来了 It all comes back.
所有的记忆和其他的事 它们正... All these memories and everything else, and they're...
再一次朝我涌来 just sketching me out again.
我的内心感到很煎熬 And deep down, it hurts.
我真心希望他们能找到特瑞莎 A hundred percent of my hopes are with finding Teresa.
我们最后听到关于她的消息 是她在周一下午还活着 When we last heard, she was alive on Monday afternoon.
在听到其他消息前 And until we hear otherwise,
我们会一直相信她还活着 that's what we're gonna believe,
并为之祈祷 that's what we're gonna pray.
紧急寻人 特瑞莎·海尔贝克
我祈祷上帝在她身边 I'm just praying that God is next to her.
请带她回家 Please bring her home.
我们别无他求 只求让她回家吧 That's all we want. Just bring her home.
拜托 快有人找到她吧 Please, somebody find her.
紧急寻人 特瑞莎·海尔贝克
你们外出搜寻的时候 他们有什么发现吗 Did they find anything while you were out searching?
我不会对此发表评论的 I'm not really gonna comment on that,
不过要是有什么发现 but if anything was found, you know,
我们有恰当的机构 we had proper authority and
瑞恩·希莱加斯 特瑞莎的前男友
也有专业的人员去进行所需的调查 had professionals take a look at it as needed.
你去过现场多少次 How many times were you on the site?
周六他们发现汽车的时候你在场 You were there Saturday when they found the car,
不过除此之外 你还去过多少次现场 but how many other times were you on the site?
你从没去过现场 You were never on the site.
我...我从没去过现场 I-- I wasn't-- I wasn't on the site.
没有那回事 That's not true at all.
你去过那儿吗 麦克 Did you get there, Mike?
你有参与现场的搜救工作吗 Were you a part of the... on the site searching?
-我们... -不 那些人 - We-- - No, the people--
我是说 刚开始... I mean, the original--
一开始发现汽车的人 Who originally found the vehicle
是我们搜救队的一员 was a member of our search party.
是我们搜救队的一员 It was a member of our search party
她申请了搜查那片区域的许可 who asked permission to go onto the site.
但除她以外 没有人去过 But no one other than that has ever been
埃弗里家的地盘 on the Avery property.
没人去过 On the actual site.
那里已经作为犯罪现场封锁了 It's been crime scene and taped off. Secured.
在过去的24小时内 Significant evidence has been discovered
在埃弗里废车场 over the past 24 hours
已经发现了重要的证据 at the Avery Salvage Yard.
我们收集到的证据向我们表明 And the evidence that we've collected
有一具人类的尸体 is leading us to that of a human person.
我们都是受害者 You know, we're all victims.
他们不会放过我们 You know, and they just won't leave us alone.
他们就这样步步紧逼 They just keep it up, keep it up.
你知道 这... You know, it's...
一个人只能承受这么多 You know, a person only can take so much. You know?
现在 我受够他们了 Right now, I got enough of 'em. You know?
他们可以去别的地方... They can go somewhere else and...
放过我和我的家人 and just leave us alone.
让我们继续正常地生活 Let us do our life and live normal.
相信大家都知道了 Well, as I am sure everybody is aware,
此次调查正式定性为刑事案件 the scope of this investigation is now criminal in nature
并且我们将其归为谋杀案调查 and we are classifying it as a homicide investigation.
目前看来 有人试图 Um, it appears that an attempt was made
通过纵火来销毁尸体 to dispose of a body by an incendiary means.
发现人类遗骸 11月8日 搜查埃弗里家的第四天
在埃弗里废车场里 我们发现了 Pieces of human bone and teeth were found
人类骨骼和牙齿的碎片 on the Avery property,
并且在史蒂文·埃弗里的卧室里 and the key that was used to start
找到了特瑞莎·海尔贝克的汽车钥匙 Teresa Halbach's vehicle was found in Steven Avery's bedroom.
我想再次强调 本次调查 And again I want to emphasize that the investigation
都围绕着本案的受害人 revolves around one victim
也就是特瑞莎·海尔贝克 in this case and that's Teresa Halbach.
我也想强调 And I also want to emphasize
马尼托沃克县警局 that the Manitowoc County
在此次调查中所起的作用 Sheriff's Department's role in this investigation
是为我们提供一切所需的资源 was to provide resources for us when they were needed.
当我们在现场需要设备来进行搜查时 As we needed items on the property to conduct searches,
他们为我们提供所需的设备 they provided that piece of equipment
这就是此次调查中 and that's their role
他们所起的作用 也是唯一的作用 and their only role in this investigation.
今天下午 我与史蒂文·埃弗里的律师通了电话 I spoke with Steven Avery's attorney by phone this afternoon.
沃尔特·凯利告诉我他现在不能和埃弗里通话 Walt Kelly told me he'd been unable to speak to Avery,
也不知道他人在何处 didn't know where he was
他担心当埃弗里因特瑞莎·海尔贝克失踪被审讯时 and feared what might happen to him when he was questioned
会生出诸多变数 about Teresa Halbach's disappearance.
电话采访
沃尔特·凯利 史蒂文的律师
我花了一整个下午 I spent the entire afternoon,
包括和帕戈尔警长直接谈话 including direct conversation with Sheriff Pagel,
都在寻找我的当事人 trying to locate my client.
我的同事史蒂芬·格林正开车 My colleague Steve Glynn was in an automobile in the area
在这一带搜寻他 trying to find him.
我认为他们是故意把他和我们隔离 I think they purposely have kept him away from us.
他们想趁我们不在对他进行审讯 I think they want to question him in our absence.
埃弗里现在在哪 哪所监狱 你知道吗 Where is Avery right now? Which jail? Do you know?
-我不知道 抱歉 -我不知道哪所监狱 - I don't. I'm sorry. - I don't know which jail. I--
你不知道史蒂文·埃弗里在哪 You don't know where Steven Avery is?
我们知道他在哪 We know where he is,
但我们不会公布这一信息 but we are not releasing that information
因为我们没有接触... because we do not have contact...
他有权... He's entitled to...
你知道该怎么做 You know how this works.
2005年11月9日
马克·维格特和汤姆·法斯宾德调查员 进行的审讯
你逃不过证据 You can't beat the evidence.
配合我们一点 想想你的家人 Work with us a little. Think of your family.
不是我干的 I did not do it.
当你的家人认为你冷血无情时 How's your family gonna be when they think
他们会变成什么样 you're a cold-blooded person?
-不是我干的 -如果你犯了错 - I did not do it. - If you made a mistake,
他们会理解的 they'll understand that.
没错 但要是有坏警察... Yeah, but if there's a crooked cop...
所以你是说尸体是有人刻意栽赃的吗 So you're telling me somebody planted the body?
-不是我干的 -那是谁 - I didn't do it. - Who did it?
-我不知道 -史蒂文 - I don't know. - Steve.
我真的不知道 I do not know.
史蒂文 考虑一下你的家人 Steve, think of your family here for a second.
-我考虑了我的家人 -不 你没有 - I am thinking of my family! - No, you're not.
-你只想着自己 -不是的 - You're thinking of yourself. - No.
你只想着自己 You're thinking of yourself.
你那么做 我们并不怪你 And we don't blame you for doing that.
该死的 你在监狱里面蹲了17年 Goddamn it, you had 17 years in prison
还是被冤枉的罪名 for something you didn't freaking do.
-这不是我干的 -我们理解 - I didn't do this one. - And we understand that.
-你犯了错误 -不 我没有 - You made a mistake. - No, I did not.
-你犯了错误 -我什么都没做 - You made a mistake. - I didn't do nothing.
我犯了什么错 How could I make a mistake?
所以你故意杀害了她 So you intentionally killed her.
你是要表达这个意思吗 That what you're telling me?
不 我没有 我什么也没干 No, I didn't. I didn't do nothing.
那是怎么发生的 你跟我解释是怎么发生的 How did it happen? Explain to me how it happened.
容我介绍两个人 I would like to introduce two individuals
我认为他们在此次调查中的工作 who I feel have done a fantastic job
非常出彩 in this investigation.
来自我的警局的马克·维格特调查员 Investigator Mark Wiegert from my office
和来自刑事侦查部的 and Special Agent Tom Fassbender,
汤姆·法斯宾德特别探员 from the Department of Criminal Investigation.
你昨天和这周前几天说过 You said yesterday and earlier in the week
肯·克拉兹 特别检察官 卡柳梅特县地区检察官
"这起案件只有一名受害者" "There's only one victim in this case."
你能解释为何这么说吗 Can you explain why you said that?
是帕戈尔警长说的 Sheriff Pagel said that.
我之前曾说过 不过还是你来吧 警长 I've said that before, but go ahead, Sheriff.
好 这起案件中只有一名受害者 OK. There is only one victim in this matter
杰瑞·帕戈尔警长 卡柳梅特县警局
特瑞莎·海尔贝克 and that is Teresa Halbach.
她失去了生命 She is the individual who lost her life.
也是这起案件中唯一的受害者 And that is the one and only victim in this matter.
我来进一步说明 It-- I'll comment further.
我对此没有异议 I don't have a problem with this.
我听到了很多报道 也看了很多图片 I've heard many reports and have seen images of
都是有关这起案件的嫌疑人 即埃弗里先生的 a specific suspect in this case, now Mr. Avery,
在各种媒体的报道中 都有说 on the various media, suggesting that,
"为什么要怀疑我" "Why are they looking at me?"
"对于特瑞莎的死亡和失踪 "Why would I be asked questions
为什么要来审问我" about Teresa's death and disappearance?"
我希望 随着确切的DNA证据 I hope with the DNA positive analysis
和其他周围情形的揭晓 and the other surrounding circumstances
这些问题可以不必再被提出 that that question doesn't have to be asked anymore.
我知道你很害怕 史蒂文 I know you're scared, Steve.
-我知道你很害怕 -我不害怕 - I know you're scared. - I'm not scared.
因为你并不是有意要杀她的 Because you didn't mean to kill her.
-我觉得你不是有意要杀她的 -不 我没有杀她 - I don't think you meant to kill her. - No, I did not kill her.
-这不是计划好的 -不 - This wasn't a planned thing. - No.
-是你计划好的吗 -不是 - Did you plan it? - No.
我也觉得不是 OK, I didn't think so.
我从见到你开始 就觉得你不是那种人 I didn't think you're that kind of a guy from meeting you.
我想事情是这样的 你为你 I think what happened, you come out of prison
没有犯下的罪行服完刑 走出监狱... for serving time for something you didn't even do...
-不是我干的 -...它让你的脑子犯了糊涂 - I did not do it. - ...and it screws you up in the head.
就像这事把大家都搞得乱七八糟一样 Like it screws everybody up.
他们不给你提供律师 They didn't give you any counseling.
你之前说过他们没有给你提供律师 You said before they gave no counseling.
-我没有杀她 -尸体在你家的废车场里 - I did not kill her. - The body's on your property.
钥匙在你的卧室力 The key is in your bedroom.
你知道钥匙在那里 因为是你把它放那里的 You know the key is there because you put the key there.
-钥匙会出现在那里 只有这个可能 -不是的 - That's the only way the key gets there. - No.
是的 史蒂文 是的 这就是事实 Yes, Steve. Yes. That's the fact.
你想怎么否认都行 You can deny it all you want.
证据会证明一切的 好吗 The evidence will show that, OK?
-就是这样的 -但是是警察收集的证据 - That's the way it is. - But the cops got the evidence.
是的 是两位与你素未谋面的 Yeah. Two independent investigators
独立调查员 that have never met you.
两个与你素未谋面的人 Two people who have never met you.
和你毫无纠葛 Have nothing against you.
-我对你一无所知 -不 听我说 - I know nothing about you. - No, you see,
如果是别人把尸体放在那儿的 if somebody else plants that shit there,
你也看不到... you ain't gonna see it--
那为什么 为什么那里有你的DNA Then why are your-- Why is your DNA in there?
为什么你家里有她的血 Why is her blood in your house?
他们怎么把她的血弄到你家里的 How are they going to get that blood in your house?
她的血怎么会在我家里 不可能 How is her blood in my house? It can't be.
我常常出去都不锁门 I used to leave my house open all the time.
你的DNA怎么会出现在她的车上 How does your DNA get inside of her truck?
我的DNA没有 那是因为他们抽了我的血 My DNA ain't. That's because they got blood out of me.
他们抽过我多少血 很多很多 How much blood do they get out of me? A lot of blood.
-史蒂文 -他们抽过我很多血 - Steve. - They got a lot of blood outta me.
-那个警长 -史蒂文 回到现实吧 - That sheriff? - Steve. Come back to reality here.
-我说的就是事实 -不 你说的不是 - I am. - No, you're not.
我服了十八年的刑 你觉得我还想蹲下去吗 I did 18 years. You think I want to do any more?
作为特别检察官 我同样被要求 As special prosecutor, I have also been asked to comment
回答有关证据是否有被污染的可能 upon any possibility of tainted evidence
或者这一类的问题 or of something along those lines.
在媒体的报道中有提及 There was some mention, in the media,
他房间里的这把钥匙 that this key in his bedroom
有可能是恶意留下或栽赃的 could've been left or planted or something of the like.
由于那把钥匙上确实 Now that Mr. Avery's DNA
发现了埃弗里先生的DNA is found on that particular key,
我要面对的问题是 I was left to question
人们是不是希望我相信 whether or not people would have me believe
他们不仅随身带着特瑞莎的车钥匙 that not only are they carrying around keys for Teresa's vehicle,
同时还随身携带埃弗里先生的DNA样本 but they're also carrying around vials of Mr. Avery's DNA with them,
不管是出于努力还是什么 这都相当荒谬 whether it's perspiration or whatever. It's absurd.
因为嫌犯史蒂文·埃弗里的DNA证据 Because DNA evidence from the suspect, Steven Avery,
出现在那把钥匙上 was found on the key
而埃弗里先生的血液 and Mr. Avery's blood is found
也出现在特瑞莎·海尔贝克的车内 inside of Teresa Halbach's vehicle,
这已经毋庸置疑 it is no longer a question,
至少在作为这起案件的特别检察官的我看来 at least in my mind as a special prosecutor in this case,
杀害特瑞莎·海尔贝克的凶手是谁已经毋庸置疑 who is responsible for the death of Teresa Halbach.
史蒂文 大家都在听着 Hey, Steve! Everybody's listening!
你今天想说什么 What do you want to say today?
我是无辜的 I'm innocent.
你还想说些什么 史蒂文 What else do you want to say, Steven?
你不说 我们无法转达 We can't tell it without you.
禁止入内
上一次用了十八年零六个月 You know, last time, it took me 18 years and six weeks
证明了我的清白 to prove my innocence.
这一次 我不知道要多久 This time, I don't know how long.