我找不到了 I can't find it.
我以为是在这 I thought it was over here.
阿伦·埃弗里 史蒂文父亲
也许是我走得太快走过了 Maybe I came too fast, huh?
在这 Here. Huh...
史蒂文
他在监狱里服刑的时候 我刻的 I did that, when he was in prison.
我本来打算和史蒂文一起养鱼的 I was gonna raise fish. Me and Steve.
所以我才修了这栋建筑 That's why I put this building up.
我自己修的那些水池 自己修的养鱼场 And I made those tanks, I made my own farms.
我只是希望 他能... I just wish that, you know, he could...
就算史蒂文·埃弗里赢得了这次审判 There's nowhere that Steven Avery will be able to go
他也无处去挽回他的声誉了 to get his reputation back if he wins this trial.
让他蹲了十八监狱的强奸案不是他干的 He didn't commit the rape he did 18 years for.
迪恩·斯特朗 史蒂文的辩护律师
我们知道让他蹲了十八年监狱的 We know he didn't commit the rape
强奸案不是他干的 he spent 18 years in prison for.
他上哪儿去找回他的名声 Where did he get his reputation back for that?
他没找回 从来没找回 He didn't. He never did.
这次他更不可能找回了 He never will here.
所以从某种程度上讲 被指控就已经意味着输了 So, in some ways, to be accused is to lose.
每次都是 Every time.
你所能祈祷的 What you can hope to get
就是最终能重获自由 is your liberty back, eventually.
这是你能渴求的全部了 That's all you can ever hope to get.
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翻译 TheWalkingNerd 克里斯
校对 阿飘
合理怀疑 Reasonable doubts...
时间轴 尖尖角 大水
是给无辜之人的 are for innocent people.
庭审的两天内 双方都做出了终结陈述
后期 8T
总监 阿飘
让我们把注意力暂时转到那些 Let me turn for a moment to some of the evidence that's lacking,
如果埃弗里先生真的有罪 that you would expect to find...
你希望能找到的缺失证据上 if Mr. Avery was really guilty.
墙上和天花板上都没有溅出的血渍 No blood splatter on the walls or the ceiling.
没有显示尸体被从卧室拖出 No bloody trail of a body being carried out of that bedroom
至车库或焚烧坑的血液痕迹 into the garage or into the burn pit.
地毯上没有 Nothing on the carpet,
门廊后 露天平台上或者任何其他地方都没有 nothing on the back stoop, the deck, anywhere.
床头板上没有抓痕 No scratches on the headboard.
也没有绳纤维在上面 No rope fibers on the headboard.
有人在那间卧室里被谋杀 Nothing that would indicate somebody restrained,
却没有任何迹象表明有人被捆绑 挣扎求生 struggling for their life, who was murdered in that bedroom.
辩护方辩称 The Defense argued that
在拖车里没有发现血迹 there was no blood that was found in the trailer.
因为特瑞莎不是在拖车里被杀的 Since Teresa wasn't killed in the trailer,
所以本就不该有 there shouldn't be.
但是在拖车里发现的证据非常重要 But what was found in the trailer is extremely important.
《汽车交易家》
他们发现了《汽车交易家》杂志和一张收据 They found an Auto Trader magazine and a bill of sale.
收据
特瑞莎进过那辆拖车 Teresa was in that trailer.
她有在拖车里待过 She was in the trailer,
但她不是在拖车里被杀的 but she was not killed in that trailer.
特瑞莎·海尔贝克是在车库里被杀的 Teresa Halbach was killed in the garage.
在史蒂文·埃弗里的车库里被杀 She was killed in Steven Avery's garage.
"想把她弄进他的房子或是车库里" "Try to put her in his house or garage."
这不是一次盲目检测 Now this is not blind testing.
这些探员告知卡亨小姐他们想要什么 These agents are telling Ms. Culhane what they want.
这是11月11日 现在是3月 And this is November 11th. Well, here it is, March.
她在对这颗子弹碎片做检测 She's working on this bullet fragment now
而至今她也没找到任何一个能 and she still has not found one item
将特瑞莎·海尔贝克 that links Teresa Halbach
和埃弗里先生的房子或车库联系起来的东西 to Mr. Avery's house or garage.
她肯定压力不小 So she's gotta feel some pressure.
这是她职业生涯中最大的一起案件 This is the biggest case of her career.
也是罪证鉴定室接手过的最大案件 It's the biggest case the crime lab's ever had.
快五个月了仍然没有任何发现 It's almost five months and nothing's been found.
实物证据 DNA证据 The physical evidence, the DNA evidence,
目击者证词 科学证据 the eyewitness testimony, the scientific evidence,
埃弗里先生生的大火 the big fire that Mr. Avery had,
以及常识 这一切都指向一个人 common sense... all point to one person.
这事可能由两个警官完成 其实就一个 This could be done by two officers. Really one officer.
这个不断出现的警官 警督伦克 The one officer who keeps coming up, Lieutenant Lenk,
他的名字出现在几年前寄往罪证鉴定室的 whose name's on the evidence transmittal from the 1985 case
1985年案中证物的表单上 just a couple years earlier.
是警督伦克 Lieutenant Lenk,
11月5日在没有登记的情况下出现 who shows up on November 5th without logging in.
是警督伦克 找到了万能钥匙 Lieutenant Lenk, who finds the magic key.
是警督伦克 四个月后 Lieutenant Lenk who, four months later,
在不再需要马尼托沃克县警局协助的四个月后 four months after Manitowoc no longer is needed,
没有任何正当理由 在3月1日回到了案发现场 with no legitimate reason, is back at that scene on March 1st,
他在隔天找到了什么 and what's found the next day?
神奇的子弹 The magic bullet.
这不仅仅是两个人 This isn't just two guys.
这是詹姆·伦克和安迪·科尔伯恩 It's Jim Lenk and it's Andy Colborn.
当某律师指控他们行为不端时 Their livelihood, their reputations, their families,
他们的生活 名誉 家庭 everything in their 20-plus years
以及二十多年在执法机构中 of law enforcement are on the line...
付出的一切都岌岌可危 when some lawyer accuses them of misconduct.
不是一般的行为不端 而是在谋杀案中栽赃证据 Not just any misconduct, but planting evidence in a murder case.
还有他们采血瓶陷害论的辩词简直可笑 And this vial-planting defense is absolutely ludicrous.
EDTA测试结果
我们只需传唤一个证人 可以通过科学向你们 We only had to call one witness who scientifically could tell you
证明绝无任何可能 that there is absolutely no way
那个采血瓶被用作栽赃证据 that vial of blood was used to plant.
警督伦克会撒谎吗 Would Lieutenant Lenk lie?
作为一个宣了誓的执法机构官员会撒谎吗 Would he lie as a sworn law enforcement officer?
我能告诉你们的只有 Well, all I can tell you is,
他撒了两次 你们都听到了 he did twice and you heard it.
他说他在两点到达 Here he says he arrives at 2:00.
但在他宣誓前 他说的是六点半或者七点 When he's asked under oath before, it's 6:30 or 7:00.
这不是十五分钟的误差 各位 This isn't 15 minutes off, folks.
这是在宣誓后 It's under oath
四个半或五个小时的误差 and it's a difference of four and a half or five hours.
在那个时候 2005年的11月 At that time of year, November 2005,
这可是大白天和大晚上的区别 it's the difference between broad daylight and pitch black.
他有宣誓 He was under oath.
如果警察栽赃证据 If and when police officers plant evidence,
他们不是为了陷害一个无辜之人 they are not doing it to frame an innocent man.
他们那么做是因为他们相信那人是有罪的 They're doing it because they believe the man guilty.
他们不是为了陷害一个无辜之人 They're not doing it to frame an innocent man.
而是为了确保他们认为有罪的这人 They're doing it to ensure the conviction of someone
被判有罪 they've decided is guilty.
如果你相信斯特朗先生的论点 If you buy Mr. Strang's argument
说他们是为了确保 that they were trying to make sure
一个有罪之人被判有罪 that a guilty person was found guilty...
那么在特瑞莎·海尔贝克谋杀案的责任归属中 then assigning accountability to the murder for Teresa Halbach
钥匙是否是被栽赃的就无关紧要了 shouldn't matter whether or not that key was planted.
换句话说 你抛开这个证据 然后想 In other words, can you set that aside and decide,
是否有足够的其他证据 is there enough other evidence
或者钥匙是否是唯一指向埃弗里先生的证据 or is the key the only thing that points to Mr. Avery?
那把钥匙 在大局上 That key, in the big picture,
对大局而言 无关紧要 in the big scheme of things here, means very little.
我们在之前和现在都没有说 We do not and have never
警方杀害了特瑞莎·海尔贝克 claimed that the police killed Teresa Halbach.
然而 行凶的这个人或多人 However, the person or persons who did...
十分清楚 knew exactly...
警方真正想要追究的是谁 who the police would really want to blame.
尽管布汀先生站在这说 Despite Mr. Buting standing up here saying
"大家听好了 "Look, folks,
我们不是说警方杀了特瑞莎·海尔贝克 we're not saying that the cops killed Teresa Halbach.
我们现在说的是另有他人 Now what we're saying is that somebody else
巧妙地利用了执法机关的偏见" skillfully exploited law enforcement bias,"
说得好像真有人能聪明到做出这种事 as if there's somebody smart enough out there that could do that.
但一旦你透过表象看这些话的深意 But when you scrape one layer of this manure off of the topsoil,
你会发现到必须是警方杀了她 you'll realize that the cops had to kill her.
现在 诸位作为陪审团 Now, are you, as the jury,
为了证明埃弗里先生无罪 in order to find Mr. Avery not guilty,
你们甘愿说你们的警察 willing to say that your cops,
你们马尼托沃克县的警员 that your Manitowoc County sheriff's deputies,
伦克警督 科尔伯恩警官 Lieutenant Lenk, Sergeant Colborn,
遇到了个25岁的摄影师... came across a 25-year-old photographer...
杀了她 毁坏了尸体 烧了尸骨 killed her, mutilated her, burned her bones,
做这么多都是为了嫁祸于埃弗里先生吗 all to set up and to frame Mr. Avery?
你们最好是能心安理得地说出来 You've gotta be willing to say that.
你们最好能跨出那一步 You've gotta make that leap.
只要你们愿意 你们能凭借法庭陈列的证据 You can decide this case, if you choose,
决定本案的结果 on the evidence in the courtroom.
当然只能是法庭陈列的证据 And only the evidence in the courtroom.
你们有权力这么做 You have the power to do that.
所以我希望你们能 So I ask you, please...
对此充分考虑 合理判断 give it your full and fair consideration.
以我们挑选的陪审团 马尼托沃克县居民的身份 Do that critically here as citizens of Manitowoc County,
审慎地判断 where we stayed to pick a jury.
我认为这个决定并不难做 I don't believe it's a difficult decision
因为这个案件的一切迹象都指向了一个人 because everything in this case pointed towards one person,
指向了一名被告 towards one defendant.
在此案结束之前 I'm thanking you at the conclusion of this case
我代表威斯康星州感谢你们 on behalf of the State of Wisconsin
并敦促你们 敦促你们 and urging you, urging you,
遵循法院的指示 to follow the court's instructions,
依照此案证据 作出有罪判决 to follow the evidence in the case and return verdicts of guilty.
谢谢 谢谢 法官 Thank you. Thank you, Judge.
陪审团的成员们 Members of the jury...
此时此刻 对此案作出公正 the time has now come when the great burden of reaching a just,
公平且正义决定的重任 fair and conscientious decision of this case
都在你们身上了 陪审员们 is to be thrown wholly upon you, the jurors,
你们被选出来就是为了完成这项重大使命 selected for this important duty.
结案陈词和最终指示结束后 陪审团开始商议
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卡柳梅特县法院
这个陪审团 只要想宣告他有罪 他们就可以做到 This jury, if they just wanted to convict him, they could.
他们可以回来法庭说 They could come back and say,
"你有罪 这就是最终结果" "You're guilty, that's the end of it."
即使是克拉兹 在我看来 You know, even though Kratz, in my estimation,
也没回答昨天我提的 did not answer a number of
若干关键问题 critical questions that I raised yesterday.
他没有回答 Um, he left them on the table.
他们可能会回答 They may answer them.
他们可能会 You know, they may be able to
集体回到这部分一起讨论 collectively go back and start talking about it,
"现在 这个怎么说 "Well, now, what about this?
如果他真的在那烧了她 那为什么 Why would her body be in the back of the Toyota RAV4
她的尸体会在丰田RAV4的后面 或许..." if he really burned her there? Maybe--"
他们可能会想到一些东西 And they may come up with something.
可能... 可能纯属猜测 And it may-- It may be completely speculative,
也可能基于某些证据 我不知道 or it may have some basis in the evidence, I don't know.
今天克拉兹指出的另外一点 One other point Kratz pointed out today
陪审团今日可宣告对埃弗里的裁决
是1985年埃弗里强奸案的误判 was Avery's 1985 wrongful rape conviction.
他提醒陪审团他们在商议时 He reminded the jury that they are not to even
不要受到这一点的影响 consider that during their deliberations.
在他今天向陪审团发表的一个半小时的讲话中 In the hour and a half that he addressed the jury today,
克拉兹回击了辩方列出的每一个论点 Kratz attacked every theory the Defense has laid out.
以上是第二频道的艾米莉·马特西克 Reporting live in Chilton, Emily Matesic,
从奇尔顿现场发来的报导 Action 2 News.
怎么样 Yeah?
我错过了 I missed it.
错过了什么 Missed what?
我本来要看二频道的 I was gonna watch Channel 2.
什么时候 For-- What time?
现在已经过了四点了 It's after 4:00 now.
所以呢 Yeah?
那上面会有些消息 They would've had something on there.
是吗 五点会有重播 Oh, yeah? Well, they'll have it on at five again.
-也是 -对啊 - Yeah. - Yeah.
-好 -那我会看的 - Yeah. - I'll have to watch it.
你二点看五频道吗 我是说... On Channel 2, you watch five? I mean--
我都看 I watch 'em all.
不是 是我语无伦次了 Yeah, but it didn't make sense what I said.
-是的 -你... - No. - You...
你五点看二频道吗 Do you watch two on five?
两句话说起来还有点像 That's what it sounded like I said.
我希望裁决下星期出来 不是这星期 Yeah, I'm hoping next week for a verdict. Not this week.
-我也宁愿是下星期 -是啊 - No, I'd sooner have it next week. - Yeah.
那样他们...能好好想想所有事情 That way they... can think about all that.
是 是啊 Yeah. Yeah.
你想他们会...他们明天也能想清楚的 Well, you figure they'll... they'll do it tomorrow, too.
好 Yeah.
卡柳梅特县法院
陪审团告诉法官他们想商议到五点半 The jury has told the judge that they want to deliberate until 5:30
然后晚上休息 回酒店 and then they want to break for the night, go back to the hotel,
休息一晚 明天再继续 说明他们没... rest and start tomorrow, which means they're not--
他们认为今天之内完成不了 They don't think they're gonna be done today.
我认为如果他们很快就重回法庭 对我们而言 I think if they'd come back very quickly, we would be--
对辩方而言会是个坏消息 It would be very bad for the Defense.
因为那就说明... Because then it would just be like...
他们准备宣告他有罪了 they were ready to convict him,
商议只是为了尽快结束 it was just a matter of getting it over and, you know...
走个流程 going through the formalities,
但是 他们现在明显有在争论 but... they're obviously debating something.
没有人知道陪审团需要多少小时或多少天 Just how many hours or days it'll take the jury to weigh
来权衡所有的证词和证据 all the testimony and evidence in the case is anyone's guess.
今天陪审团离开法庭之前 Before the jury left the courtroom today,
帕特里克·威利斯法官提醒他们 Judge Patrick Willis reminded them
他们有责任给出一个公正真实的判决 that it is their duty to render a just and true verdict.
福克斯11频道的贝琪·德弗里斯在奇尔顿为您报道 Live in Chilton, Becky DeVries, Fox 11 News.
审议第二天
六个小时仍未结束 Six hours and counting.
陪审团仍在审议史蒂文·埃弗里的案件 The jury in Steven Avery's trial continues to deliberate.
感谢您的收看 Thanks for joining us.
这起案件昨天下午进入陪审团议程 The case went to the jury yesterday afternoon.
但是所有成果在今早作废 But all the work it did was scrapped this morning
因为一位成员由于家庭急事要退出 after a juror was excused because of a family emergency.
请第二频道记者艾米莉·马特西克从奇尔顿 Action 2 News reporter Emily Matesic joins us live from Chilton
给我们带来最新消息 艾米莉 with the latest there. Emily.
比尔 那名陪审员是昨晚退出的 Well, Bill, that juror was actually excused last night,
但是我们一直到... but we didn't find out until...
我不知道这意味着什么 I don't know what that would mean.
陪审员昨晚通知法庭才知道这件事 ...the juror notified the court last night...
不太好吗 我也不知道 Not so good? I don't know.
今天早上 律师们 This morning, the attorneys
在法庭中讨论如何继续 were in court to decide how to proceed.
法官给了他们三个选择 The judge gave them three options.
第一是用11名陪审员 Number one... 11 jurors.
只要陪审员说无罪 Long as the jury says "Not guilty."
第二是找一名替代的陪审员 The second option was to bring in an alternate juror...
-那他就是无辜的 -第三是宣布审判无效 - That he's innocent. - The third was to declare a mistrial.
文斯和戴安 审议现在又回到了原点 Vince and Diane, the deliberations are now back to square one.
一名陪审员因为家庭急事 One of the jurors was dismissed a little after 9:00 last night
在昨晚九点后离开 because of a family emergency.
所以需要一名替代陪审员加入 So an alternate juror had to be brought into the mix
来凑足十二人 to complete the 12 jurors
这也意味着 and that means everything
昨天他们讨论的一切全都作废 they talked about yesterday has to be thrown out
这个陪审团要从原点重新开始 and this jury has to start again from square one.
那名陪审员离开的消息 News that that juror had been dismissed
是在陪审团昨天开始审议 came after the jury had been
四个半小时后传出来的 deliberating for four and a half hours yesterday.
要知道 他们已经被隔离了两天了 Keep in mind, they've also been sequestered now for two days.
在那样的环境下 Under those circumstances,
法官决定亲自调查 the judge decided that he would investigate for himself
所谓的家庭急事的严重程度 the seriousness of this family emergency.
在打了几通电话后 After a couple of phone calls,
他得出了该陪审员确实需要离开的结论 he concluded that the juror did indeed need to be dismissed,
但是那样就产生了新的潜在问题 but that in turn created another potential problem.
审议将由仅有十一人的陪审团进行吗 Should the deliberations continue with just 11 jurors?
这是法官口中的选择之一 Which according to the judge was an option.
还有宣布无效 或是加入一名新的陪审员 Should a mistrial be declared or should an alternate juror be seated?
这由史蒂文·埃弗里决定 This was all up to Steven Avery and in the end,
最终他选择了加入新陪审员 he opted to have an alternate juror come into the jury pool.
我想我感觉还不错 I guess I'm feeling pretty good.
一切都很顺利 起码我是这么觉得的 As long as everything is going smooth, and I think it is.
他们找了另一位陪审员 They got the other juror on.
这个 我觉得这是好事 So that's-- I think it's a good thing.
他们会查看所有证据 Hopefully, they'll go through the evidence
给出合理解释 and try to make sense of it.
这是唯一能帮我的了 That's the only thing that's gonna help me.
我有希望 I got hope.
希望他们能做些正确的事 That they're gonna do the right thing.
说他是无辜的 Tell 'em that he's innocent.
我知道上帝与我同在 与他同在 I know God is on my side, on his side.
审议第三天
如果他们觉得我有罪 就麻烦了 If they find me guilty... it's gonna be hard.
我不知道该如何背负不属于我的罪名活着 I don't see how I can do a life bid for something I didn't do.
为什么我的家庭 You know, why have my family
要经受这个 还有别的苦难 go through all of this and everything else?
我有时候真的想结束它吧 You know, I might as well just get it over with,
一了百了 take the other way out.
我真讨厌想这些 You know? I hate to think about it.
但是我又不想为我没做过的事背负罪名 But I don't feel like doing a life bid for something I didn't do.
-你好 -迪恩吗 - Hello? - Dean?
-是我 你好 多洛丝 -你好 - Yeah. Hi, Dolores. - Hi.
目前进展如何 What's going on yet?
没什么 半小时后就知道了 45分钟吧 Nothing. We'll know in about half an hour, 45 minutes,
就看陪审团今晚工作多久 how long the jury's gonna work tonight.
他们之前问了个问题 They asked a question earlier,
想要全套证言复述一遍 wanting a whole bunch of testimony read back,
法官说"我们没办法..." and the judge said, "Well, we can't read..."
-他们想听鲍比·戴西的全部证言 -然后呢 - They wanted all of Bobby Dassey. - Uh-huh.
然后法官说 "我们不能... And the judge said, "Well, we-- You know,
我们没法复述全部的 we can't read all of him back,
就告诉我们你想知道什么吧" so just tell us what specifically you want."
目前还没听到陪审团的反馈 And we haven't heard back from the jurors.
是吗 Oh, yeah?
我知道他们什么今晚时候结束后再打给你 I'll call you though when we know when they're gonna quit tonight.
好的 那就这样 迪恩 Yeah. OK then, Dean.
-好的 谢谢 再见 -再见 - OK. Thanks. Bye. - OK. Yeah. Bye.
"迪恩·斯特朗今早真是让我热泪盈眶 "Dean Strang had me in tears this morning.
或许他不是这案子 It's probably a good thing
唯一的辩护律师是件好事 that he isn't the only defense lawyer on this case
因为他肯定会赢的 'cause he'd win it.
至少也会让那些一定会 Or come close to swaying people
被判有罪的人有一些转机 这是我的个人想法 who might be dead-set on a guilty verdict, in my opinion.
杰瑞·布汀太烦人了 总是在发牢骚" Jerry Buting comes across very abrasive. Almost whiny at times."
关于布汀的评论邮件 Viewer emails about Buting.
真的吗 Really?
她现在发上来了 She's got it posted now.
这个有意思 This is interesting.
"这人吓到我了 我很害怕埃弗里会脱罪 "The guy scares me. I am afraid Avery might walk
我觉得他必定是有罪的 and I think he is definitely guilty.
你们知道埃弗里家的人午饭时会做什么吗 Do you happen to know what the Averys do during lunch?
我觉得如果他们去餐厅的话 I am thinking that the people of Chilton might not be too kind to them
奇尔顿的人对他们可不会很友好" if they came in the restaurants."
强烈的反对啊 Quite the contrary.
好吧 好吧 那就这样 迪恩 Yeah. Well, OK then, Dean.
是吗 好吧 好的 再见 Yeah? OK. Sure. OK. Bye.
他们可能就快要裁...裁决了 They may be getting close to a verdic-- verdict.
他也不确定 但是他们会继续待在那 He doesn't know. But they're gonna stay.
他们正在... They're having their, uh...
吃晚饭 uh... supper there.
他们会继续待在那 They're gonna stay there.
审议第四天
你觉得你为什么会在这 为什么是你在这 Why do you think you're here? Why is it you're here?
杰瑞·布汀和史蒂文会面
在监狱里等待裁决 Sitting in jail waiting for a verdict?
这个 Well...
我不知道该怎么回答 I don't know how to answer that.
这问题确实不好回答 Yeah, that's a kinda tough question.
是的 Yeah, it is.
那我问些简单点的 Let me start-- Let me try something easier.
你感觉这次的庭审怎么样 What has this trial been like for you?
在庭审期间 What kind of feelings have you had
你都有些什么感受 about this trial as it's gone on?
大多数时候都在想他们是否会相信我 Mostly if they're gonna believe me or not.
这次审判是否会还我一个公道 If justice is gonna... be right this time.
而不像上次那样 Than like last time.
上一次 他们没用多少时间 You know, last time, it didn't take 'em long
就认为我有罪 and they found me guilty.
我可能一直都在想这个 You know, I think about that... probably all the time.
一个法院官员刚进入新闻媒体间 A court official has just come into the media room
宣布裁决结果已出 and announced that we do have a verdict.
在超过二十个小时的审议后 The jury has reached a verdict
陪审团已做出裁决 after about 20-plus hours of deliberation
裁决结果将在晚上五点半宣读 and that verdict will be read at 5:30 this evening.
WTMJ新闻广播620的丹·奥多奈尔 Reporting live in Chilton, Dan O'Donnell,
从奇尔顿现场发回报道 News Radio 620, WTMJ.
好 你还要十分钟才能到还是... OK, you're ten minutes away or...?
行 好的 我们会在外面等 OK. All right, we will, um... we'll be outside wait--
我们会在外面等你 We'll be outside waiting for you.
好 再见 OK. Bye.
房间是开着的 我们的小房间 The room is open, our little room,
法庭这边一结束 so as soon as court's done,
你们就过去 go to that room if you would
杰瑞和我会尽快赶过去 and Jerry and I will get to it as soon as we can...
-好 -和你们会和 我们会在那儿稍作停留 - OK. - ...with you. We're gonna stop there,
就几分钟 然后我们就送你们回家 好吗 it'll be a very few minutes and we're gonna send you home. OK?
过几天我们再谈 不管是好的还是坏的 And we'll talk later in the week, good or bad.
无论什么结果 Either way, you know,
因为到时会有很多问题和后续事务 'cause there are gonna be questions and follow-up--
如果他们裁决他是无罪的 他今晚就能回家吗 If they say he's innocent, he goes home though, tonight?
如果他们在三项罪名上都认为他是无罪的 Of all three counts, if they say he's innocent,
-他今晚就能回家 -对 我就是这个意思 - he goes home tonight. - Oh, yeah, that's what I mean.
这也是我们只能和你们 And that's one of the reasons
短暂会面的原因 we're just gonna spend a few minutes with you,
我们需要去探访史蒂文 is we gotta get down to see Steve.
不管他是否无罪 我们都需要去见他 If he's innocent or not, we gotta go see him.
-好 -确保没人跟踪你们... - Yeah. - And make sure nobody follows you...
回家 home.
如果史蒂文被判无罪 OK? If Steve is found not guilty,
你们所在的社区会出现很多愤怒的人 you're gonna have some very angry people in the community.
所以要确保没人跟踪你们 So make sure you're not being followed.
如果你们被跟踪 立刻回到这里 向州巡警求助 If you are, come right back here and go to a state patrol.
明白 谢谢 Yeah. Thank you.
陪审团成员 法庭被告知 Members of the jury, the court has been informed
陪审团对本案已作出裁决 that the jury has reached its verdicts in this case.
现在 我将请求陪审团主席 At this time, I will ask the foreperson
把裁决结果交给法警 to present the verdicts to the bailiff
以便他将裁决结果呈上 so that they may be brought forward.
现在 法庭将宣读裁决结果 At this time, the court will read the verdicts.
第一项罪名 裁决结果如下 On count one, the verdict reads as follows:
"我们 陪审团 认为被告史蒂文·艾伦·埃弗里 "We, the jury, find the defendant, Steven A. Avery,
在被起诉的第一项罪名 guilty of first degree intentional homicide
故意杀人罪上有罪 as charged in the first count of the information."
第二项罪名 裁决结果如下 On count two, the verdict reads:
"我们 陪审团 认为被告史蒂文·艾伦·埃弗里 "We, the jury, find the defendant, Steven A. Avery,
在被起诉的第二项罪名 not guilty of mutilating a corpse
毁尸罪上无罪 as charged in the second count of the information."
第三项罪名 裁决结果如下 On count three, the verdict reads:
"我们 陪审团 认为被告史蒂文·埃弗里 "We, the jury, find the defendant, Steven Avery,
在被起诉的第三项罪名 guilty of possession of a firearm,
持有枪械罪上有罪 as charged in the third count of the information."
第一项罪名裁决结果 The verdict on count one is signed
由陪审团主席于今日签署 by the foreperson of the jury, dated today.
其余裁决结果也由陪审团主席签署 The other verdicts are also signed by the foreperson of the jury.
陪审团成员 我代表马尼托沃克县 Members of the jury, on behalf of Manitowoc County,
向你们在本案中的付出 I would like to express my sincerest gratitude and appreciation
表达我最诚挚的感激和感谢 for your service in this case.
我对法庭要求你们在本案庭审期间 I recognize the personal sacrifice
所作出的个人牺牲表示感谢 that the court has required of you during this trial.
这牺牲是每个市民享受我们的司法系统 That sacrifice is a necessary part of the price we pay
所必须付出的代价之一 for the judicial system every citizen enjoys.
我希望这次经历能让你们受益匪浅 I hope that you found the experience a rewarding one.
现在 你们可以离庭了 At this time, you are excused.
显然我们对结果很满意 We're obviously happy with the results.
我们相信本次审判的结果是公正的 We believe that a just result was reached in this trial.
起诉前我们已经 We had a pretty good idea going into this prosecution
很清楚埃弗里先生的为人 the kind of individual that Mr. Avery was.
我认为埃弗里先生对特瑞莎·海尔贝克的所作所为 I think that what Mr. Avery did to Teresa Halbach
充分说明了 should speak volumes as to
埃弗里先生是个怎样的人 the kind of person that... that Mr. Avery is,
所以我很高兴 and that's why I'm very happy
马尼托沃克县的人民 that the citizens of Manitowoc County
不用再担心埃弗里先生 won't need to worry about Mr.Avery
出现在他们的街道上 being on their streets anymore.
好了 Ok.
就个人而言 我相信 Just on a personal note, I'm sure
我能代表整个原告团队 I speak on behalf of the entire prosecution team
感谢大家允许我们 in thanking all of you for allowing us to, uh...
在小小的卡柳梅特县 to kind of host this...
为你们举行这次庭审 this trial for you here in little Calumet County,
以上 晚安 谢谢大家 so with that, have a good evening. Thank you, everyone.
-谢谢大家 -谢谢 - Thank you, gentlemen. - Thank you.
好 All right.
你认为陪审团做出了某种妥协吗 Do you think that's some kind of compromise by the jury?
这你得去问陪审团了 I-- You know, you'd have to ask jurors that.
但我无法解释 看起来显然是 Um, but... I can't explain how one would arrive at,
未达成一致的裁决最终能出结果 um, what clearly seemed to be inconsistent verdicts.
也不是第一次出现这种情况了 It's not the first time that's ever happened though either.
你之前说这次审判可能是一次救赎 You talked about this process as potentially being redemptive
你显得有点激动 and you get a little emotional about it.
现在审判已结束 I mean, now you've been through this process.
这是你期望的救赎吗 Was it the redemption you'd hoped for?
不是 救赎还要等 No. Redemption will have to wait,
正如生活中大多数事情一样 as it so often does in human affairs.
只能继续等 Um... it just will have to wait.
我们的刑事司法系统在1985年 Our criminal justice system failed
严重辜负了史蒂文·埃弗里 Steven Avery badly in 1985.
继那之后又一次次地辜负他 It failed him time and time again after 1985.
我担心这又是一次历史重演 Um... I fear this is one more failure,
尽管每个人都已尽力 in spite of everyone's best efforts,
竭尽所能了 um, and honest efforts.
因此在个人层面我非常感伤 So I'm very sad at a personal level
因为我的官司败诉 because I've lost a case.
在一个更广泛的层面我也感伤 I'm sad at a broader level,
因为我们的人生中 that we'll-- We-- you know, in human life,
我们在正义的路上始终没有进步 we just haven't mastered justice any better than we have.
所以你是否认为现在有一个凶手 So do you think that there's a killer out there
正逍遥法外 that the police have not caught?
绝对是的 我是说... Absolutely. I mean...
这就是我们一直以来秉持的立场 That's been our position all along.
你认为本案判决有罪 Do you think the guilty verdict on the homicide
会增加还是减少 makes it more likely or less likely
布兰登·戴西案被判有罪的可能性 that Brendan Dassey would be found guilty of that?
对于布兰登·戴西案我们不作评价 We're not gonna comment on Brendan Dassey's case at all.
无可奉告 Not gonna comment about it at all.
各位也不该对此发表言论 Neither should you.
在审判这天还主观臆断 多么讽刺 How's that for being judgmental on a day of judgments here?
他是一个即将面对审判的孩子 Um... this is a kid who has a trial upcoming and, um...
我希望 I'd like to see him start
比起他的舅舅 with a stronger presumption of innocence
他能有更牢固的无罪推定 than his adult uncle was able to.
-谢谢你们 -谢谢 - Thank you, gentlemen. - Thank you.
好 All right.
埃弗里废车场
事情的结果 The way it turned out?
他们得逞了 They got their way.
就这样 Period.
马尼托沃克县再次获胜 Manitowoc County won again.
埃弗里废车场
安德鲁·科尔伯恩警官 Sergeant Andrew Colborn,
是遭到指控栽赃证据的执法人员之一 one of the law enforcement officers accused of planting evidence,
他今天发表声明 其言部分如下 released a statement today. It reads in part,
新闻快报
"我祈求希望本判决能够移除 "I hope and pray that this verdict helps put to rest
民众对于我部门的 any suspicions or loss of confidence that this community
任何疑虑或不信任 may have felt towards our department,
因为我敢保证这个部门 because I assure everyone that this agency
有着国家最优秀的 has some of the finest law enforcement officers
一批执法人员" in the country in its employ." End quote.
埃弗里案判决
福克斯11频道也联系上了斯科特·塔迪克 Fox 11 also spoke with Scott Tadych,
史蒂文·埃弗里的姐夫 Steven Avery's brother-in-law.
他表示 "昨天所发生的 He said, quote, "What happened yesterday
是这世上最好的事" is the best thing in the world."
以及 "他罪有应得" And also, "He got what he got comin' to him."
不知道这样说会让你心里好受还是难过 I mean, I don't know if this will make you feel good or bad,
但第一次的表决 你知道 but the first vote, you know,
通常陪审团开始讨论前 他们会说 a lot of times what jurors do is they go in and they say,
"我们先来举手表态 "OK, let's just take a--
看看大家目前倾向于哪一方" see a show of hands where people are leaning right now."
七个人投他无罪 Seven for not guilty.
表决结果七票无罪 三票有罪 两个未决定 The vote was seven innocent, three guilty and two undecided.
他们起先的意见是这样的 That's the way they started off.
但显然地结果没能维持那样 Now obviously it didn't stay that way and...
我们大部分的人都随和而且放松 The majority of us were easygoing and laid-back.
但是也是有几个固执的 But, um... there were a couple stubborn ones, too.
而且 似乎 And, um, it seems like
固执的人能够动摇比较随和的人 stubborn people can sway softer people their way.
我也不知道 It's just-- I don't know.
由于某种原因 心理上来说 我认为这是可能的 For some reason, psychologically, I think that's possible.
我知道当时有三位固执的陪审员 I know there were three that were stubborn and,
不参与讨论 you know, weren't participating,
这使得我在场感到不舒服 which made me feel uncomfortable, being there.
我在陪审团参与了四小时的审议 I deliberated for four hours with the jury
理查德·马勒 提前离场的陪审员
后来因紧急医疗状况必须离开 and had to leave because of a medical emergency.
我感觉有些存有偏见的陪审员 And, um... I felt there were some biased jurors that didn't,
并没有持开放的心态 you know, keep an open mind
而且在审讯开始前 and they had their mind made up,
他们就已经下定决心 you know, before the trial started,
我也因此感到沮丧 which I was pretty discouraged about myself.
我只知道好几个陪审员状况虚弱 All I know is that a lot of us were weak.
开始审议时虚弱疲惫 Starting deliberations, weak and tired.
我不确定决议是不是妥协的结果 I don't know if it was a compromise, you know?
"我们就做点什么吧 好让我们离开这里" "Let's just do something here so we can get outta here."
我不知道 I don't know.
对我而言 这一切存在许多未解的疑问 To me, there's a lot of unanswered questions.
我意思是 我相信我们不能肯定 I mean, to me, I believe we don't know... for sure.
我意思是 我不能肯定是谁杀害了特瑞莎 I mean, I don't know for sure who killed Teresa
或是凶案如何发生的 or how it happened.
我手上有来自双方的陈词 I mean, all I have is statements from... both sides.
但我认为没有任何人能够得知真相 But I don't think anybody'll ever know what actually happened.
克拉兹先生是经验丰富的检察官 Mr. Kratz is an experienced prosecutor.
克拉兹先生能辨别是非 Mr. Kratz knows right from wrong.
克拉兹先生懂职业道德 Mr. Kratz knows ethics.
克拉兹先生在本案表现不专业 Mr. Kratz acted unprofessionally in this.
我无法尊敬他 I can't respect him for it.
他该寻求真相 He's supposed to be seeking the truth.
皮特·贝茨 迪恩和杰瑞的调查员
他没有寻求真相 他只寻求定罪 This wasn't seeking a truth, he was seeking a conviction.
身为地方检察官 And... as a district attorney,
他比任何人都有责任 he is responsible above everybody on this.
由他发号施令 He called the shots.
由他指挥警察侦办方向 He told the cops which way he wanted 'em to run
他大概是这之中最难辞其咎的 and he is probably the most culpable of anybody for this.
而他们却因为本案的胜利而给他奖项 And they gave him an award for winning this case. It's...
在我看来 当前状况证明了 What's going on now just proves, in my opinion,
金姆·杜卡特 史蒂文的表姐
他们是多么铁了心 proves that... how hell-bent
要逮住他 they were on nailing him.
埃弗里家的人怎敢让县警局难堪 You know, how dare an Avery make County look bad.
你知道的 You know.
现在局势又扭转了回来 Now it's turned back around again.
县警局让埃弗里家很难堪 The county's making Avery look bad.
我觉得那正是他们想要的 And I think that's right where they wanted it to be.
一切都在他们的掌控之中 You know, it played right out in their hand.
如果你们愿意的话 If it's all right with you guys,
我想谈谈布兰登的事 I'd like to have a talk about Brendan.
将心比心地谈一谈 Sort of a heart-to-heart on this. Um...
卡拉·蔡斯 史蒂文的侄女
我不知道你们家对这件事的立场如何 I don't know where your family is on this,
但这事对一个44岁的成年人来说已经够糟了 but as horrible as this is for a 44-year-old man,
而放在一个17岁的男孩身上则更糟糕 it's ten times worse when you're talking about a 17-year-old boy
并且他头脑不太聪明 who's not very bright and, um...
他还没进入社会 you know, hasn't had a chance in life.
我知道我们输了官司 Um... Now I know we lost the trial,
劳埃德·谢雷尔 史蒂文的舅舅
但我觉得社区里现在认为 but I think now this community is a lot less certain
史蒂文和布兰登是凶手的人 that Steven and Brendan did it
要比此案审理之前少多了 than they were before we started Steven's case.
是的 我们收到越来越多相信他是清白的信 Yeah, because we're getting more letters that he's innocent.
"百分之百是清白的" "A hundred percent innocent,"
-她写道 -那对布兰登很有利 - She says. - That has to help Brendan.
当... And when the...
当检察官起来做终结陈述的时候 when the prosecutor stands up in closing arguments, you guys,
他说 "所有证据指向且仅指向一个人 and says, "All the evidence shows that one man and one man only
对特瑞莎·海尔贝克的死负责" is responsible for the death of Teresa Halbach..."
-一个 -有且只有一个 - One. - One. One and one only.
-是的 -也就是史蒂文·埃弗里 - Yeah. - Meaning Steven Avery.
-没错 -那你怎么能 - Yeah. - So how do you come in
那样说了之后 and prosecute a 17-year-old boy
又起诉了这位十七岁的男孩 after you've stood up and said that?
马克和汤姆 汤姆有天打电话给斯科特 That Mark and Tom? That Tom called up Scotty the other day.
斯科特让芭芭拉告诉 Scotty was supposed to get Barbara
布兰登接受认罪协议 to tell Brendan to take the plea bargain.
-不 绝对不行 -那要坐十五年牢 - No. That would be a no-no. - And that's 15.
-那就等于... -她也告诉你了吗 - That's asking-- - Did she tell you that too?
认罪协议提出的是十五年监禁 十五年缓刑 The plea is 15 years. And then 15 probation.
真的吗 Um... So, I mean, seriously?
-汤姆打电话给斯科特·塔迪克... -没错 - Tom called Scott Tadych... - Mm-hm.
说"告诉你老婆让她儿子..." ...and said, "Tell your wife to make her son..."
-她是这么跟我说的 -"接受认罪协议" - That's what she told me. - "...take the deal."
-她也和我说了 -那斯科特... - Yeah, she said that to me too. - And what does Scott...
斯科特后来那么做了吗 Is Scott doing that kind of thing?
我总觉得他并没有为布兰登着想 He's never seemed to me to be on Brendan's side.
他告诉芭芭拉了 芭芭拉说没门 Oh, he told Barbara. And Barbara said there's no way.
首席检察官肯·克拉兹的工作仅进行了一半 Lead prosecutor Ken Kratz knows his job is only half done.
埃弗里的共同被告 即他侄子布兰登·戴西 Avery's co-defendant and nephew Brendan Dassey
将于4月16日在马尼托沃克县受审 goes to trial on April 16th in Manitowoc County,
布兰登·戴西的审判 布兰登·戴西 4月16日 庭审日期
本场审判预计将持续两周 that trial expected to last two weeks.
福克斯法官同意辩方的动议 从另一个县选拔陪审团
从另一县召集陪审团的动议通过 So a victory for you with the change of venue,
马克·福莱根 布兰登的指定律师
对你来说算是一场胜利吗 bringing the jury in from another county?
我不知道该不该称其为胜利 I don't know if you want to call it a victory,
不过我认为陪审团的公正是很重要的 but I think it's important that the jury be a fair jury,
而这一举措能确保这一点 and I think this is a way to ensure that.
你上次和布兰登谈话是什么时候 When's the last time you talked to Brendan?
我们刚谈完 不 我们... Uh, we just did. No, I-- We--
过去七天 我见过他两次 I met with him actually twice in the last, you know, seven days.
-他怎么样 他的... -他挺好的 - How's he doing? What's his...? - He's fine. Yeah.
-你是否有所疑虑呢 -他是个很安静的人 - Do you have any concerns-- - He's a very quiet person.
你是否会事先考虑与检方讨论 Do you anticipate, um, discussing with the State
达成认罪协议的可能性 the possibility of a plea agreement?
我想之前的律师都讨论过这点 Because that has been something prior counsel I guess had discussed.
-协商认罪协议 -是的 - Plea negotiations? - Correct.
他们肯定会提出的 Uh... they'll be offered, I'm sure,
不过再次强调 我们现在正为 but once again, we're dealing with preparing
4月16日的庭审做准备 for April 16th for trial.
我们也将继续针对庭审进行准备 That's the way we're gonna continue to prepare.
当我们真正从检察官那拿到 When we actually got copies of motions
庭审提议和相关文件时 and the file from the prosecutor,
我们意识到有一些重大失误 we realized that there had been some major missteps,
雷· 埃德尔斯坦和马克·福莱根 布兰登的指定律师
因此我们不仅要代表某人出庭 and so we were not only going to be representing somebody,
还必须重新审视 but we're also now having to go back
来努力纠正之前犯下的错误 and try to correct mistakes that are already made.
这让我们的工作更加艰难 And that's-- That makes it a little more difficult,
因为通常你只有一次机会 because you don't usually get more than one crack at it.
现在我们不得不纠正之前的问题 And now we're kind of thrown in there to try to fix a problem,
同时还要为当事人辩护 along with trying to represent somebody.
马克问我想不想来帮忙 Mark asked me, you know, would I be interested in helping.
后来他慢慢说服了我 我答应了 And after he persuaded me a little bit, I said sure.
我觉得雷说我当时请他来是客气了 I think Ray was being nice by saying I asked him.
实际上我是求他来帮我辩护这个案子的 I pled with him to help me on this case,
因为这根本不是凭一己之力 because it certainly isn't the case
就能打赢的官司 that you can just have one person
而在奥什科什 没有几个律师 and there's not a lot of attorneys in Oshkosh
有过处理谋杀案的背景 that have a background dealing with homicides.
这将是我辩护的第五或第六件谋杀案 And this will be my fifth or sixth homicide case.
第二场庭审 谋杀案庭审 Um, second trial, homicide trial.
2007年4月16日 布兰登案庭审第一天
至少他们相信他 At least they believe in him.
芭芭·塔迪克 布兰登的母亲
这才是最重要的 That's the main thing.
我也相信他 And I believe in him.
你出庭作证的时候 一定要跟大家说实话 You tell everybody the truth when you gotta get up on the stand.
好 不过看看他们能用的那些材料 Yeah, but look at all the stuff that they can use, though.
-什么材料 -我所有的证词 - What's that? - All my statements.
你是怎么跟我说的 你怎么跟警察交待的 Well, what did you tell me? How did you give your statements?
他们说... Well, they talked--
他们一直问我问题什么的 They kept on asking me the questions and that.
那好吧 OK, then.
直到听到他们想听到的话 Until they heard what they wanted.
你出庭作证的时候就该这么说 That's what you need to tell when you get up on the stand.
这才是你该告诉他们的 That's what you need to tell them.
真相 The truth.