CaptioningsponsoredbyWNET
>>Stewart:ONTHISEDITIONFOR
SATURDAY,OCTOBER19:ANOTHER
SETBACKFORABREXITDEAL;IN
OURSIGNATURESEGMENT,THEFIRST
INATWO-PARTSERIESONICE
DETENTIONINLOUISIANA;AND
WRITERJOHNHODGMAN'STAKEON
LOSINGSTATUS.
NEXTONPBSNEWSHOURWEEKEND.
>>PBSNEWSHOURWEEKENDISMADE
POSSIBLEBY:
BERNARDANDIRENESCHWARTZ.
SUEANDEDGARWACHENHEIMIII.
THECHERYLANDPHILIPMILSTEIN
FAMILY.
THEJ.P.B.FOUNDATION.
ROSALINDP.WALTER,INMEMORY
OFGEORGEO'NEIL.
BARBARAHOPEZUCKERBERG.
CORPORATEFUNDINGISPROVIDED
BYMUTUALOFAMERICA,DESIGNING
CUSTOMIZEDINDIVIDUALANDGROUP
RETIREMENTPRODUCTS.
THAT'SWHYWE'REYOUR
RETIREMENTCOMPANY.
ADDITIONALSUPPORTHASBEEN
PROVIDEDBY:
ANDBYTHECORPORATIONFOR
PUBLICBROADCASTING,APRIVATE
CORPORATIONFUNDEDBYTHE
AMERICANPEOPLE.
ANDBYCONTRIBUTIONSTOYOUR
PBSSTATIONFROMVIEWERSLIKE
YOU.
THANKYOU.
FROMTHETISCHWNETSTUDIOSAT
LINCOLNCENTERINNEWYORK,
ALISONSTEWART.
>>Stewart:GOODEVENING.
THANKSFORJOININGUS.
WILLTHEYSTAYORWILLTHEYGO?
THEFATEOFBREXIT,BRITAIN'S
LONG-RUNNINGPLANTOEXITTHE
EUROPEANUNION,REMAINSUNKNOWN
TODAY.
ANEXTRAORDINARYSATURDAY
SESSIONOFPARLIAMENTENDEDWITH
AVOTETHATDELAYSADECISIONON
PRIMEMINISTERBORISJOHNSON'S
RECENTLY-NEGOTIATEDAGREEMENT
WITHTHEE.U.
>>Stewart:JOHNSONPRESENTED
THENEWPLANTOABITTERLY
DIVIDEDHOUSEOFCOMMONSTODAY,
HOPINGFORANENDTOYEARSOF
DEBATE.
>>ANDNOWISTHETIMEFORTHIS
GREATHOUSEOFCOMMONSTOCOME
TOGETHERANDBRINGTHECOUNTRY
TOGETHERTODAY.
>>HEAR,HEAR!
>>Stewart:LEADERSOFTHE
LABOURANDSCOTTISHNATIONAL
PARTIESCALLEDTHEDEALEVEN
WORSETHANONEJOHNSON'S
PREDECESSOR,THERESAMAY,TRIED
ANDFAILEDTONEGOTIATE.
>>MR.SPEAKER,IALSOTOTALLY
UNDERSTANDTHEFRUSTRATIONAND
THEFATIGUEACROSSTHECOUNTRY
ANDINTHISHOUSE,BUTWESIMPLY
CANNOTVOTEFORADEALTHATIS
EVENWORSETHANTHEONETHE
HOUSEREJECTEDTHREETIMES.
>>THISTORYGOVERNMENTHASSOLD
SCOTLANDOUT,ANDONCEAGAIN
THEYHAVELETSCOTLANDDOWN!
>>Stewart:INTHEEND,THERE
WASNOVOTEONTHEOVERALL
BREXITDEAL,ONLYAVOTETOPASS
ANAMENDMENTTHATISSUPPOSEDTO
SLOWDOWNTHEPROCESS.
OUTSIDEPARLIAMENT,HUNDREDSOF
THOUSANDSOFPROTESTERSFILLED
THESTREETS,MANYOFTHEM
CALLINGFORASECONDNATIONAL
REFERENDUMONBREXITANDA
CHANCETOKEEPBRITAININTHE
EURPOEANUNION.
>>WENEEDTOHAVEANOTHERSAY.
WENEEDTOSAYWHAT'SONOUR
MINDS,SOMANYPEOPLEHAVE
CHANGEDTHEIRMINDS.
THISISBRITAINTODAY,THISIS
THEU.K.TODAY.
WENEEDTOBEASKEDAGAIN,"IS
THISREALLYWHATYOUWANT?"
>>Stewart:JOININGMENOWIS
N.P.R.CORRESPONDENTFRANK
LANGFITT,ALSOAUTHOROFTHE
RECENTBOOK"THESHANGHAIFREE
TAXI."
HEJOINSMENOWFROMLONDON.
WHATEXACTLYDIDPARLIAMENTVOTE
ONTHISMORNING?
>>WELL,BORISJOHNSON,THE
PRIMEMINISTER,WANTEDTHEMTO
VOTEONHISBREXITWITHDRAWAL
AGREEMENTTHATWOULDTAKETHE
COUNTRYOUT,IDEALLY,FROMHIS
PERSPECTIVEANDFROMTHE
DEADLINE,ATTHEENDOFTHIS
MONTH.
BUTINSTEAD,LAWMAKERSINTHE
PARLIAMENTHADADIFFERENTIDEA.
THEY'RECONCERNEDTHATTHEY
CAN'TGETALLTHELEGISLATION
FINISHEDINTIME,ANDTHEYWERE
AFRAIDTHATTHEUNITEDKINGDOM
COULDINVERT...INADVERTENTLY
CRASHOUTOFTHEE.U.WITHNO
DEALATALL,CAUSINGALOTOF
ECONOMICDAMAGE.
SO,WHATTHEYSAIDIS,THEY'VE
PASSEDANAMENDMENTSAYING,
"WE'RE...WEWILLAPPROVETHIS
ONLYONCEALLTHELEGISLATION
HASGOTTENDONE."
SO,THISHASACTUALLYDELAYED
THEVOTE.
>>Stewart:WHOWASRESPONSIBLE
FORSETTINGUP,FOR
ORCHESTRATINGTHEPOSSIBILITYOF
ADELAY?
>>WELL,THEREWEREANUMBEROF
LAWMAKERSWHOWEREVERY
CONCERNEDABOUTCRASHINGOUTOF
THEE.U.
ANDALSO,I'VEGOTTOBEHONEST,
THERE'SALOTOFDISTRUSTOF
BORISJOHNSON.
YOUREMEMBER,LASTMONTH,HE
SUSPENDEDPARLIAMENTHERE,BUT
THESUPREMECOURTOFTHEUNITED
KINGDOMSLAPPEDHIMDOWN,SAID,
"YOUBROKETHELAW."
ANDSO,THEREWASCONCERNTHAT
EITHERTHROUGHACCIDENTOR
PERHAPSDELIBERATELY,SOME
BREXITEERSMIGHTTRYTOFOIL
THINGS,BASICALLYMESSUPTHE
LEGISLATIONSOTHATTHECOUNTRY
CRASHEDOUT.
SO,PEOPLE,EVENPEOPLEWHOWANT
TOVOTEFORTHISDEAL,WERE...
WEREVERYWORRIED,ANDSO
THEY...THEYBACKEDTHE
AMENDMENTCOMPELLINGHIMTOASK
FORA...ANEXTENSIONFROM
BRUSSELS.
>>Stewart:WHATMUSTBORIS
JOHNSONDOLEGALLYNOW?
>>LEGALLY,HEISSUPPOSEDTO
WRITEALETTERTONIGHTTO
BRUSSELSASKINGFORAN
EXTENSION.
HESAYSHEWON'TDOIT.
HEJUSTREFUSESTO.
ANDTHEREASONISTHAT,ALL
ALONG,HESAIDTHATHEWOULD
RATHERDIEINADITCHTHANGO
BACKTOBRUSSELSANDPROMISETO
GETTHECOUNTRYOUTBECAUSE,OF
COURSE,IT'SBEENALMOSTTHREE
ANDAHALFYEARSSINCETHE2016
BREXITVOTE.
ANDSO,HE'SADAMANTHEWON'TDO
IT.
>>Stewart:WHATARETHETRUE
STICKINGPOINTS?
>>THETRUESTICKINGPOINTI
THINKHEREREALLYIS...ISTHE
DISTRUSTOF...OFBORISJOHNSON
ANDTHEFACTTHATTHISTIMETABLE
ISSOTIGHT.
THISISONEOFTHEBIGGEST
DECISIONSMADEBYTHEU.K.
GOVERNMENTINMANYDECADES,AND
THEYDON'TWANTTOMAKEA
MISTAKE,ANDTHEYDON'TWANTTO
MISSSOMETHING.
>>Stewart:WELL,"THEHILL"IS
REPORTINGTHATTHEU.S.CHAMBER
OFCOMMERCEISCALLINGFORTHE
DEADLINEFORBREXITTOBE
EXTENDED,WHICHLEADSMETO
WONDERWHAT'SBEENTHEECONOMIC
IMPACTOFALLOFTHESEDELAYS?
>>IWASONATRAINRECENTLYUP
TOMANCHESTER,ANDIMETTWO
PEOPLEWHOWORKIN...THEY'RE
HEADHUNTERSINTHECITYOF
LONDON,THEFINANCIALDISTRICT.
THEYVOTEDTOREMAININTHEE.U.
THEYSAIDTHATRIGHTNOW,THEY
CAN'TGETANYBUSINESSDONE.
PEOPLECAN'TMAKEADECISION
BECAUSETHERE'SBEENSOMUCH
UNCERTAINTY.
AND,INFACT,THEYWOULD
ACTUALLYBACKBORISJOHNSON'S
DEAL.
SO,THEYACTUALLYWERESWITCHING
SIDES.
SO,FROMABUSINESSPERSPECTIVE,
ITHINKTHATTHISUNCERTAINTY
HASCOSTALOT.
>>Stewart:WHATDOAVERAGE
PEOPLETHINK,ATTHISPOINT?
>>THEY'REEXHAUSTED.
WHATYOUHEARALOTFROMPEOPLE
IS,"GETBREXITDONE."
NOBODYTHOUGHT...CERTAINLY,
WHENTHISWASSOLDTOPEOPLE,
THEBREXITEERSSAIDTHISWOULD
BEEASY.
IT'SBEENANYTHINGBUT.
ANDITHINKTHERE'SATREMENDOUS
AMOUNTOFBREXITFATIGUE.
EVENSOMEPEOPLEWHOVOTEDTO
REMAINWOULDLIKETOSEETHIS
DONE.
IHEARITEVENFROMSOMEYOUNG
PEOPLE.
SO,ITHINKPEOPLEAREVERY
TIREDOFIT.
IT'SBEENVERYINTERESTING.
YOUTALKTOPEOPLE,ANDTHEY'LL
SAY,"EVENIFTHEREIS
SHORT-TERMECONOMICDAMAGE,I
JUSTWANTTHECOUNTRYTOMOVE
ON."
IT...IT'SVERYSTRIKING.
THATSAID,THOUSANDSWEREOUT
TODAY,SAYIN"WENEEDANEW
REFERENDUMINTHISCOUNTRY.
THEDEALTHATBORISJOHNSONHAS
ISNOTATALLWEVOTEDFORFOR
2016."
SO,THECOUNTRYALSOREMAINS
VERYDIVIDED.
>>Stewart:WHATISSUPPOSEDTO
HAPPENNEXT?
WHATARETHENEXTMILESTONES?
>>WHATITHINKTHATWEWILLSEE
IS,ONMONDAYORTUESDAY,BORIS
JOHNSONWILLTRYTOBRINGTHIS
BILLBACK.
WEWILLALSOSEELAWMAKERSGO
BACKTOTHECOURTSTOFORCEHIM
TOASKFORANEXTENSIONFROM
BRUSSELS.
AND,ASISOFTENTHECASE,WHEN
WEGETINTOTHESEBREXITCRUNCH
TIMES,WHENWEGETCLOSETO
DEADLINES,WEJUSTHAVETOSEE
SORTOFDAYTODAYHOWTHIS
PLAYSOUT.
>>Stewart:N.P.R.'SFRANK
LANGFITT,THANKYOUSOMUCH.
>>THANKSFORHAVINGME,ALISON.
>>Stewart:TOWATCHDEMOCRATIC
PRESIDENTIALCANDIDATEBERNIE
SANDER'SCOMEBACKRALLYSATURDAY
INNEWYORK,VISIT
www.pbs.org/newshour.
>>Stewart:CLASHESBETWEEN
TURKISH-BACKEDSYRIANSOLDIERS
ANDKURDISHFORCESCONTINUEDIN
SYRIATODAYDESPITEAU.S.
BROKEREDCEASEFIRE.
BOTHSIDESAREBLAMINGTHEOTHER
FORTHEATTACKSTHATCAMEONTHE
SECONDDAYOFTHEPLANNEDFIVE-
DAYHALTINFIGHTING.
THEAGREEMENTNEGOTIATEDBETWEEN
VICEPRESIDENTMIKEPENCEAND
TURKISHPRESIDENTRECCEPTAYYIP
ERDOGANREQUIRESTHATKURDISH
FORCESWITHDRAWFROMTERRITORY
ALONGTHESYRIA-TURKEYBORDER.
BUTTHEKURDSAREACCUSING
TURKEYOFFAILINGTOMAINTAINA
SAFECORRIDORFORTHEPASSAGEOF
CIVILIANSANDTHEWOUNDED.
SPEAKINGATANEVENTTODAY,
ERDOGANWARNEDTHATTURKEYWIL“"
CRUSHTHEHEADS”OFKURDISH
FIGHTERSIFTHEYDONOTWITHDRAW
BYTUESDAYEVENING.
TODAY,THOUSANDSOFANTI-
GOVERNMENTDEMONSTRATORS
RETURNEDTOTHESTREETSOF
LEBANONFORATHIRDSTRAIGHT
DAY.
PROTESTERSANGRYOVERTHE
COUNTRY'SFAILINGECONOMYCALLED
FORANEWGOVERNMENT,WAVING
FLAGSANDMARCHINGPAST
STOREFRONTSTHATWERESMASHEDIN
RIOTINGLASTNIGHT.
YESTERDAY,LEBANON'SPRIME
MINISTERGAVEHISGOVERNMENTA
72-HOURDEADLINETOAGREEONA
PLANTOAVERTANECONOMICCRISIS
ANDPUTANENDTOTHE
DEMONSTRATIONS.
INATELEVISEDSPEECHTODAY,THE
LEADEROFHEZBOLLAHSAIDTHE
GROUPOPPOSESACHANGEIN
GOVERNMENTANDSAIDEVERY
CITIZENISRESPONSIBLEFORTHE
FINANCIALCRISIS.
FLORIDA'SGULFCOASTISUNDERA
STORMSURGEWARNINGOFUPTO
FOURFEETASWHATWASTROPICAL
STORMNESTORCONTINUESTOBRING
HEAVYRAINANDSTRONGWINDSTO
THESOUTHEAST.
THESYSTEMWASDOWNGRADEDTHIS
MORNINGBUTITISEXPECTEDTO
AFFECTFLORIDA,PARTSOF
ALABAMA,GEORGIAANDTHE
CAROLINASTHROUGHTOMORROW.
EARLYTHISMORNING,SEVERAL
TORNADOESSPUNOFFTHESTORMAND
HITPARTSOFFLORIDA,DAMAGING
HOMES.
THEREWERENOREPORTEDINJURIES.
>>Stewart:ONTUESDAY,ACUBAN
SEEKINGASYLUMINTHEU.S.WHO
HADBEENINICECUSTODYIN
LOUISIANAFORMONTHSDIEDBYAN
APPARENTSUICIDE.
ROYLANHERNANDEZDIAZHADBEEN
ONAHUNGERSTRIKEANDHAD
CLAIMEDABUSEINPRISON.
LOUISIANAHASBECOMEACENTEROF
AMERICA'SMIGRANTDETAINEE
EFFORT,HOUSINGALMOST8,000OF
THEMORETHAN51,000PEOPLE
CURRENTLYBEHINDBARS.
MANYOFTHEMAREHELDINREMOTE
PRISONSANDJAILSFARFROMLEGAL
REPRESENTATION.
REPORTINGINCOOPERATIONWITH
THE"NEWORLEANSADVOCATE"AND
ITVS,NEWSHOURWEEKEND'SSPECIAL
CORRESPONDENT,JOANNEELGART
JENNINGS,HASTHESTORY,THE
FIRSTINAOURTWO-PARTREPORT.
>>Reporter:WHENATTORNEY
HOMEROLOPEZNEEDSTOMEETIN
PERSONWITHCLIENTSHELDIN
IMMIGRATIONDETENTION,HEHASTO
MAKELONGDRIVESFROMHISHOME
INNEWORLEANS.
>>IFYOUDOADAYTRIP,YOU'RE
TALKINGABOUTSIXTOEIGHTHOURS
OFDRIVE,NOTINCLUDINGTHETIME
THATYOU'REPHYSICALLYTHERE.
>>Reporter:HISNON-PROFIT
IMMIGRATIONSERVICESANDLEGAL
ADVOCACYPROVIDESFREELEGAL
REPRESENTATIONFORMIGRANTS
DETAINEDINLOUISIANA.
ANDWITHMOREANDMOREDETENTION
CENTERSBEINGOPENEDINRURAL
AREAS,HESPENDSALOTOFTIME
INHISCAR.
>>THERE'SALIMITEDAMOUNTOF
PEOPLEWHOAREDOINGTHE
DETAINEDCASESINLOUISIANA
BECAUSEITIS...THEYARESO
FAR,SORURAL,SODIFFICULT
TO...TOGETTOANDTOHANDLE.
>>Reporter:MOSTOFLOPEZ'S
CLIENTSAREATTHEPINEPRAIRIE
ICEPROCESSINGCENTER.
IT'S180MILESNORTHWESTOFNEW
ORLEANSANDHOLDSUPTO1,094
DETAINEES.
THOUGHIT'SAFEDERALFACILITY,
IT'SRUNANDSTAFFEDBYGEO
GROUP,APRIVATEPRISONCOMPANY
THATCONTRACTSWITHTHEU.S.
GOVERNMENT.
GEODECLINEDOURREQUESTTOTOUR
THEDETENTIONCENTER,BUTWE
WEREPERMITTEDTOENTERTHE
VISITATIONAREAANDMEETSOMEOF
LOPEZ'SCLIENTS.
32-YEAR-OLDCRISTIANDELEONHAS
BEENINICECUSTODYFOR14
MONTHS.
ANATIVEOFGUATEMALA,DELEON
CAMETOTHEU.S.ONAWORKVISA
WHICHHASSINCEEXPIRED.
HEWASLIVINGINALABAMAWITH
HISFIANCÉEANDTHEIRTHREE
CHILDRENANDWORKINGIN
CONSTRUCTION.
HOWDIDYOUENDUPHEREINICE
DETENTIONINLOUISIANA?
>>(translated):IHADASMALL
CARACCIDENT,ANDTHEPOLICE
CAMETOHELPME,ANDTHENTHEY
ARRESTEDME.
>>Reporter:DELEONWASCHARGED
WITHDRIVINGUNDERTHE
INFLUENCE.
HESAYSWHENHISFIANCÉECAMETO
PAYHISBOND,THEPOLICE
WOULDN'TLETHER.
>>(translated):THEYSAID
THATICEWASALREADYCOMINGFOR
ME.
>>Reporter:ICEISSUEDA
DEPORTATIONORDER,WHICHDELEON
ISAPPEALING.
MEANWHILE,HEMARRIEDHIS
FIANCÉE,ANAMERICANCITIZEN,IN
ABRIEFPRISONCEREMONY.
HE'SNOWAPPLYINGFORAGREEN
CARDASHERSPOUSE.
DELEONISNOTTYPICALOFLOPEZ'S
CLIENTS.
MOSTHAVEAPPLIEDFORASYLUM
BECAUSETHEYFEAREDFORTHEIR
LIVESINTHEIRHOMECOUNTRY,
LIKE36-YEAR-OLDJAMALJAMAL,
WHOCAMETOTHEU.S.FROM
PAKISTAN.
HESAYSHEHADFALLENINLOVE
WITHAWOMANWHOSEFAMILYHAD
ARRANGEDAMARRIAGEFORHERWITH
ANOTHERMAN.
WHENTHEWOMANTOLDHERFAMILY
SHEWANTEDTOMARRYJAMAL
INSTEAD,THEYKILLEDHER.
ATRIBALCOUNCILTHENORDERED
JAMAL'SEXECUTION,SOHEFLED
THECOUNTRY.
WHATDOYOUTHINKWILLHAPPENIF
YOUAREDEPORTEDBACKTO
PAKISTAN?
>>Reporter:ONARRIVALINTHE
U.S.,HEASKEDFORASYLUM.
HE'SBEENINICEDETENTIONFOR
11MONTHSASHISCASEMAKESITS
WAYTHROUGHIMMIGRATIONCOURT.
KATIESCHWARTZMANNISLEGAL
DIRECTOROFTHEAMERICANCIVIL
LIBERTIESUNIONINLOUISIANA.
SHESAYSTHATMIGRANTSLIKE
JAMALWHOENTERTHEU.S.
LEGALLYSEEKINGASYLUMAND
DEMONSTRATEA"CREDIBLEFEAR"OF
RETURNINGTOTHEIRHOMECOUNTRY
SHOULDBERELEASEDONBOND.
>>THEY'REENTITLEDTO
CONSIDERATIONFORSOMETHINGTHAT
OURIMMIGRATIONLAWCALLS
"HUMANITARIANPAROLE,"WHICH
MEANSTHERIGHTTOREMAINOUTIN
THECOMMUNITYINTHEUNITED
STATESASICECONSIDERSWHETHER
THEGRANTOFASYLUMIS
APPROPRIATE.
>>Reporter:ICE'SREGIONAL
OFFICEINNEWORLEANSIS
RESPONSIBLEFORFIVESOUTHERN
STATES,INCLUDINGLOUISIANA.
ASRECENTLYAS2016,UNDERTHE
OBAMAADMINISTRATION,IT
APPROVEDPAROLEFORALMOST76%
OFASYLUMCASES.
UNDERTHETRUMPADMINISTRATION,
THATNUMBERHASPLUNGEDTO1.5%.
THEA.C.L.U.ANDTHESOUTHERN
POVERTYLAWCENTERHAVEFILED
SUITAGAINSTTHEDEPARTMENTOF
HOMELANDSECURITY.
THEYALLEGETHATICE'SNEW
ORLEANSOFFICEISCATEGORICALLY
DENYINGPAROLETOASYLUMSEEKERS
INA"VIOLATIONOFD.H.S.'OWN
DIRECTIVEANDGUIDELINES."
AFEDERALJUDGEAGREED,NOTING
INSEPTEMBERTHATTHENUMBEROF
PAROLEAPPROVALSHADDROPPEDTO
0%IN2019.
HERULEDTHATD.H.S.MUST
CONSIDERGRANTINGPAROLETO
DETAINEESSEEKINGASYLUM.
THEGOVERNMENTISAPPEALINGTHE
RULING.
ICEOFFICIALSSAYPAROLEIS
DESIGNEDTOBENARROWLYAPPLIED.
BRYANCOXISACTINGPRESS
SECRETARY.
>>THEREALITYIS,ISTHATIF
PEOPLECOULDSHOWUPATTHE
BORDER,MAKEACLAIMANDBE
RELEASEDINTOTHEINTERIOROF
THEUNITEDSTATES,NOTEVERYONE
WILLTHENAPPEARINCOURT.
ANDSO,DETENTIONINSOME
INSTANCESISANECESSARYUSEOF
RESOURCESTOENSURETHATPERSONS
DOINFACTAPPEARINCOURT.
>>Reporter:BUTOVERTHEPAST
YEAR,ICEHASHELDMOREMIGRANTS
INDETENTIONTHANEVERBEFORE,
ANDMANYAREHEREINLOUISIANA.
LASTYEAR,THEREWERETWO
PRISONSHOLDINGABOUT2,500ICE
DETAINEES.
NOW,THEREARE11HOLDINGALMOST
9,000PEOPLE.
DETAINEDMIGRANTSARELESS
LIKELYTOWINASYLUMTHANTHOSE
WHOAWAITTRIALONTHEOUTSIDE.
HOMEROLOPEZ'SCLIENTSAREAMONG
THELUCKYFEWWHOHAVELEGAL
REPRESENTATION.
>>BUENOSDIAS,DIXAN.
COMOESTAS?
>>Reporter:ONTHISDAY,LOPEZ
ISMEETINGWITHDIXANHERNANDEZ
NARANJOVIAVIDEOCONFERENCE.
NOTALLDETENTIONCENTERSALLOW
THEPRACTICE.
THEY'RETRYINGTOPREPAREFOR
THETOUGHQUESTIONINGHERNANDEZ
WILLFACEINANASYLUMHEARING
THENEXTDAY.
>>LEMENTISTEAICE?
>>NO,NO,NO,NO,NO.
>>Reporter:INHISNATIVECUBA,
HERNANDEZWASATOURGUIDE.
HESAYSGOVERNMENTOFFICIALS
ACCUSEDHIMOFSPEAKING
UNPATRIOTICALLYTOTOURISTSAND
JAILEDHIMREPEATEDLYFORWHAT
HECALLS"THOUGHTCRIMES."
WHILEINICEDETENTIONATPINE
PRAIRIE,HERNANDEZPARTICIPATED
INAHUNGERSTRIKE.
HESAYSHEANDHISFELLOW
PROTESTERSWEREBEINGUNFAIRLY
INCARCERATED.
>>(translated):WEARENOT
CRIMINALS.
WEJUSTSIMPLYWANTTOFIGHTFOR
OURRIGHTS,LIKEANYBODYWHO
COMESTOSEEKASYLUM.
>>Reporter:HEWASPLACEDIN
SOLITARYCONFINEMENTFORHIS
PARTICIPATIONANDMISSEDA
MEETINGWITHLOPEZ.
NOW,THEYAREHAVINGONELAST
SESSIONBEFORETHEHEARING.
THENEXTMORNING,LOPEZMAKESA
THREE-AND-A-HALF-HOURDRIVETO
OAKDALE,ASMALLTOWNINCENTRAL
LOUISIANAWHICHISMOSTLY
COMPRISEDOFASTRIPOFCHAIN
STORES.
TUCKEDINSIDEAFEDERAL
CORRECTIONALCOMPLEXISTHE
NONDESCRIPTOAKDALEIMMIGRATION
COURT.
ITHANDLESALLCASESFOR
MIGRANTSDETAINEDATPINE
PRAIRIE.
LOPEZISHERETOPRESENT
HERNANDEZ'SASYLUMCASE.
HE'SHOPEFUL,BUTHEKNOWSTHE
ODDSARENOTINHISCLIENT'S
FAVOR.
>>OURJUDGESHAVEAVERYLOW
APPROVALRATEFORRELIEFFOR
ASYLUM,INPARTICULAR,ANDWE
JUSTDON'TSEEALOTOFWINS,
UNFORTUNATELY.
>>Reporter:FROM2013TO2018,
JUDGESATTHISCOURTDENIED
ASYLUMNEARLY90%OFTHETIME.
BUTLOPEZANDHISLAWPARTNER,
ALPAGE,HAVEBEATENTHEODDS
LATELY.
THEYWONFIVEOUTOFEIGHT
ASYLUMCASESWHILEWEWEREIN
LOUISIANA.
AMONGTHEWINS:DIXANHERNDANDEZ
NARANJO.
WECAUGHTUPWITHHIMATTHEBUS
STATIONINNEWORLEANSSHORTLY
AFTERHEWASRELEASEDFROM
DETENTION.
HERNANDEZSAYSHE'SGRATEFULTO
BEOUTINWHATHECALLS"A
COUNTRYWITHFREEDOM,"BUTHE
SAYSTHETREATMENTHERECEIVED
INDETENTION,ESPECIALLYIN
SOLITARYCONFINEMENT,WASNOT
WHATHEEXPECTEDINTHEUNITED
STATES.
>>IHADTHESAMEEXPERIENCE
WHENI'VEBEENINTHEHOLE,WAS
LIKETHESAMEEXPERIENCEWHEN
I'MINTHEHOLEINCUBA.
MAYBEMOREDANGEROUSTHANCUBA.
>>Reporter:JAMALJAMALAND
CRISTIANDELEONREMAININICE
DETENTION.
AJUDGERECENTLYDENIEDJAMAL'S
APPLICATIONFORASYLUM.
HEDECIDEDTOAPPEALTHE
DECISIONRATHERTHANBEDEPORTED
IMMEDIATELY.
DELEONHASFALLENILLANDIS
BEINGTESTEDFORAHEART
CONDITION.
>>Stewart:FROMFREQUENTFLYER
PROGRAMSTOEXCLUSIVEHOTELSAND
SECRETSOCIETIES,THEREAREMANY
WAYSPEOPLECHASESTATUS.
BUTASWRITER-COMEDIANJOHN
HODGMANTELLSITINANEW
MEMOIR,THERE'SASMUCHASTORY
OFLOSINGTHATSTATUSASIN
GAININGIT.
PBSNEWSHOURWEEKEND'S
CHRISTOPHERBOOKERSATDOWNTO
CHATWITHHODGMANTOFINDOUT
MORE.
>>Reporter:ITWASAPAIROF
SHORT-LEGGEDCATTLEHERDINGDOGS
THATCONFIRMEDONEOFJOHN
HODGMAN'SCREEPINGSUSPICIONS.
>>THAT'SLINUSTHECORGIAND
CHOMPERSTHECORGI,TWO
EXTREMELYPOPULARCORGISON
INSTAGRAM.
ILEARNEDTHISWHENTHEYWERE
INVITEDTOTHESAMEEXCLUSIVE
PARTYTHATIWAS,ANDIREALIZED
THEYWEREMOREFAMOUSTHANME.
>>Reporter:THOUGHITHADBEEN
AFEWYEARSSINCEHEHADLOST
HISSTATUSASWHATHECALLSA
"FAMOUSMINORTELEVISION
PERSONALITY,"ITWASTHECORGIS
WHOREALLYHUMBLEDHIM.
>>THEREWASNOSENSEHIDINGMY
FEELINGS.
ITWASTERRIBLENOTTOBEON
TELEVISION,TOLEARNTHATYOU
WERENOTEVENASFAMOUSASTHE
LEASTFAMOUSDOGONTHE
INTERNET.
BUTITISAPLEASURETOBE
HUMAN.
>>Reporter:WHILEHODGMANMAY
ENJOYBEINGHUMAN,HISNEWBOOK,
"MEDALLIONSTATUS,"ISAN
EXPLANATIONOFWHATITFELTLIKE
WHENTHEWORLDREMINDEDHIMTHAT
WASINDEEDWHATHEWAS.
>>THESEAREJUSTTRUESTORIES
FROMMYLIFE--INTHISCASE,MY
LIFEASAVERYFAMOUSMINOR
TELEVISIONPERSONALITY--ANDALL
THESECRETROOMSANDFIRST-CLASS
LOUNGESANDEXCLUSIVEPARTIES
THATEVENTHEMINORESTFAME
AFFORDSYOU.
ANDTHEN,WHATITFELTLIKETO
BEKICKEDOUTOFTHOSEROOMSAND
TOCOMEBACKDOWNTOEARTHASA
REGULARHUMANBEING
>>HELLO,I'MAMAC.
>>ANDI'MAP.C.
>>Reporter:IRONICALLY,JOHN
HODGMANHADEARNEDHIS
"MEDALLIONSTATUS,"ANAMEHE
BORROWEDFROMAHIGH-PRESTIGE
FREQUENTFLYERPROGRAM,DURING
HISTIMEHESPENTPLAYINGANON-
HUMAN.
>>WELL,ATFIRST,IGOTTO
DOWNLOADTHOSENEWDRIVERS,AND
I'VEGOTTOERASETHETRIAL
SOFTWARETHATCAMEONMYHARD
DRIVE.
ICOULDNOTWALKINANAIRPORT
WITHOUTPEOPLESAYING,"I'MA
P.C."
>>WHAT'SGOINGON,P.C.?
>>OH,THISP.C.'SGETTINGAN
UPGRADE.
BECAUSEMORETHANANYTHINGELSE
I'VEEVERDONEOREVERWILLDO,
MOREEYESWERELAIDONMETHEN
THANEVERBEFORE.
>>Reporter:FROM2006TO2010,
HODGMANWASONEHALFOFAPPLE'S
WILDLYSUCCESSFUL"GETAMAC"
CAMPAIGN.
>>ACTUALLY,THEiMACsANDTHE
MACBOOKSHAVETHECAMERASBUILT
RIGHTIN.
>>Reporter:INTHECOMMERCIALS,
HEPLAYEDAP.C.INCONVERSATION
WITHANACTORPLAYINGAYOUNGER,
HIPPERAPPLECOMPUTER.
>>MAC,WHYDON'TYOUSAY
SOMETHINGPOSITIVEABOUTP.C.?
>>OKAY,EASY.
P.C.,YOUAREAWIZARDWITH
NUMBERS.
>>Reporter:P.C.STRUGGLEDTO
UNDERSTANDHOWANDWHYHEWAS
ALWAYSFALLINGSHORT.
>>IGUESSYOUAREALITTLE
BETTERATCREATIVESTUFF.
>>OH,THANKYOU.
THAT'S...
>>EVENTHOUGHITISCOMPLETELY
JUVENILEANDAWASTEOFTIME.
>>PLEASEWELCOMEJOHNHODGMAN.
JOHN?
(CHEERSANDAPPLAUSE)
>>Reporter:HODGMAN'SFORAY
ONTOTHESMALLSCREENHAD
STARTEDWITHANAPPEARANCEON
"THEDAILYSHOWWITHJON
STEWART"FOLLOWINGTHE
PUBLICATIONOFHISFIRSTBOOKIN
2005.
THATWENTSOWELLTHATTHESHOW
INVITEDHIMBACKASAREGULAR
CONTRIBUTOR.
>>ISENSE,IFIMAY--ANDI
DON'TMEANTOEMBARRASSYOU--
ISENSE"HODGMAN-MANIA."
>>Reporter:AFEWMONTHSLATER,
APPLECALLED,ANDYOUSAIDNOAT
FIRST.
>>OH,YEAH.
(LAUGHTER)
IT'STRUE.
IWASADUMMY.
>>Reporter:BUTTHEYCAMEBACK.
>>ITHINKABOUTTHAT,ANDIGET
CHILLSBECAUSEWHATIFTHEY
SAID,"OH,TOOBAD,WE'VEGOTA
MILLIONOTHERPEOPLETOTHINK
ABOUTTHIS."
HOWDIFFERENTMYLIFEWOULDBE
ANDHOW...NOTJUSTINTERMSOF
FAMOUSSUCCESSBUTIN...IN...
INRICHNESSANDEXPERIENCE.
>>Reporter:YEAH,WEPROBABLY
WOULDN'TBETALKING.
>>WE'DPROBABLYBEGREAT
ENEMIES.
>>HEY,P.C.,WANTTOSEETHE
WEBSITEANDHOMEMOVIEIMADE?
>>"OH,I'MSOCREATIVE,ANDALL
MYPROGRAMSARESOEASYTOUSE."
>>Reporter:DURINGHISRUNOF
66COMMERCIALSFORAPPLE,
HODGMANCONTINUEDTOCONTRIBUTE
TO"THEDAILYSHOW"WHILE
LANDINGADDITIONALACTINGROLES.
>>IJUSTDON'TLIKEYOUR
UTERUS.
DON'TGETMEWRONG--YOUREGGS
AREINGREATSHAPE,BUTYOUHAVE
AT-SHAPEDUTERUS.
>>Reporter:IN2009,HEWAS
EVENASKEDTOROASTTHE
PRESIDENTOFTHEUNITEDSTATES.
>>ISTHEPRESIDENTTRULY
NERDCORE?
ORISITALLJUSTANACTASFAKE
ASTHOSEOBVIOUSLYPROSTHETIC
EARS?
>>Reporter:ALLOFTHESE
EXPERIENCESPROVIDEDHODGMANA
LEVELOFACCESSFEWAREGRANTED.
>>NOTJUSTTHESKYCLUBAT
J.F.K.,ANDNOTJUST,YOUKNOW,
LUXURYHOTELSANDSOFORTH,BUT
THESECRETGIFTINGLOUNGESAT
THEEMMYSWHERESWAGISGIVEN
AWAYTOYOUSIMPLYBECAUSEYOU
EXISTWHILEBEINGFAMOUS,AND
LITERALMASONICLODGEMEETINGS
WHERELEADERSOFTHEWORLDARE
MEETINGINSECRETTOHAVEA
PARTYANDYOUREALIZEEVERY
CONSPIRACYTHEORYISTRUE.
ANDIT'SPARTOFMYOBLIGATION,
ISUPPOSE,TOSHOWWHAT'SGOING
ONINTHEREANDSHOWINGHOW
STATUSANDFAMEANDPOWERAND
ALLOFTHESESMALLLITTLE
VESTMENTSTHATWEPUTONARE
REALLYACTUALLYVERYFLIMSYAND
DESERVETOBEPULLEDOFFEVERY
NOWANDTHENSOTHATWECAN
REALLYSEEOURSELVES.
>>Reporter:BUTAFTERTHEAPPLE
CAMPAIGNENDEDANDTHENJON
STEWARTWENTOFFTHEAIR,
HODGMANSAYSTHEINVITATIONS
STARTEDTOSLOW.
ANDTHENCAMETHERUNINWITH
THECORGIS.
>>WEALLLOSEJOBS,ORWEAGE
OUTOFJOBS,ORWEGETDUMPEDBY
SOMEONE,ORATEACHERTAKESUS
ASIDEANDSAID,"YOU'RENOT
DOINGAGREATJOB,"YOUKNOW.
WEALLLOSESTATUS,ANDEVEN
THOUGHITMIGHTMAKEYOU
DEFENSIVEANDANGRY,IFYOUTAKE
AMOMENT,YOUCANALSOREFLECT.
YOUCANREADJUSTWHOYOUAREAND
WHATYOUWANTTODOINYOUR
LIFE,ANDYOUCANBEBETTER.
SO,HUMILIATIONISA,YOU
KNOW...EXCEPTWHENIT'SPURELY
CRUEL,IT'SACTUALLYAKINDOF
GIFT,YOUKNOW,ANDITISPART
OFTHESAMEIMPULSETHATLEADS
TOHUMILITY.
>>THISISPBSNEWSHOURWEEKEND,
SATURDAY.
>>Stewart:WITHALLTHE
ATTENTIONTURNEDTOBREXIT
LATELY,SOMEMAYHAVEOVERLOOKED
ANIMPORTANTMILESTONEINLONDON
THISWEEK.
WESTMINSTERABBEYCELEBRATEDTHE
750thANNIVERSARYOFTHE
CHURCH'SCONSECRATION.
NEWSHOURWEEKEND'SMEGAN
THOMPSONHASTHESTORY.
>>Reporter:CHURCHBELLSRANG
OUTEARLIERTHISWEEKFORTHE
750thCELEBRATIONATTHEFRENCH
GOTHIC-STYLECHURCHWHICHWAS
CONSECRATEDONOCTOBER13,1269,
BYKINGHENRYIII.
>>THISISTHETHIRDCHURCHON
THISSITE,ANDIT'S750YEARS
OLDTHISWEEK.
>>IMEAN,THEPLACEIS
UNBELIEVABLEINTERMSOFTHE
NUMBEROF...NUMBEROFTHINGS
THATGOON,THENUMBEROF
VISITORSWHOCOME,THEENORMOUS
NUMBEROFPEOPLEWHOCOMEAND
WORSHIPDAYBYDAYBYDAY.
ANDEVENSOMEWEHAVEHUNDRED,
2,000ONSUNDAYSONAVERAGE,SO
IT'SANEXTRAORDINARYPLACEWITH
LOTSGOINGON.
>>Reporter:QUEENELIZABETHAND
CAMILLA,THEDUCHESSOFCORNWALL
ATTENDEDASERVICEIN
OBSERVATIONOFTHEANNIVERSARY
ANDMETWITHCHURCHOFFICIALS.
16ROYALWEDDINGSHAVEBEENHELD
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ROYALCORONATIONSINCE1066.
THECHURCHWASORIGINALLY
FOUNDEDBYBENEDICTINEMONKSIN
960A.D.ANDOVERTHECENTURIES
HASWELCOMEDWORSHIPPERSFROM
ALLOVERTHEWORLDANDOF
VARIOUSFAITHS.
>>ITHINKAVERYIMPORTANT
THEMEOFTHEABBEYISTHATOF
ONEPEOPLE.
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LOTOFINTERFAITHSERVICES,
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ANDITHINKTHEABBEY,SINCETHE
1960sHASTRIEDTOREACHOUTTO
AVERYBROADCONSTITUENCYTO
MAKEITSELFANATIONALCHURCH
BUTINANEWAGE.
>>Reporter:THECHURCHALSO
HOUSESTHESHRINEOFST.EDWARD
ANDANUMBEROFHISTORIC
COLLECTIONSDATINGBACKTOTHE
TENTHCENTURY.
>>Stewart:TOMORROW,WEWILL
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LOOKATPRIMEMINISTERJUSTIN
TRUDEAU'SBIDFORASECONDTERM
INMONDAY'SCANADIANELECTION.
THAT'SALLFORTHISEDITIONOF
PBSNEWSHOURWEEKEND.
I'MALISONSTEWART.
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