what up though immersed HipHopDX and
this is the breakdown over the past
couple of months and I've had the
pleasure of doing these breakdowns for
y'all we've had some pretty spirited
discourse and a lot of heated debates
most common of the comments tends to be
about what is and what isn't real
hip-hop most purists will be quick to
tell you that acts like Karis 1 & Joy
badass or real hip-hop and acts like me
ghost and future are not but what does
that make them fake hip-hop this
conversation has been going on for
generations but today we attempt to
settle it once and for all real hip-hop
versus fake hip-hop and is there even a
difference let's break it down k RS 1
the most prominent and celebrated
hip-hop scholar in the world aka the
teacher founder of the temple of hip-hop
he's recorded several albums quite a few
considered to be classics written a
handful of books the main one being the
gospel of hip-hop he still rock stages
like no other
but he also rocks speaking engagements
at prestigious universities to community
centers all around the world known for
his catchphrase the real hip-hop is over
here
here's his definition of hip-hop just
the term hip hop hip means to know huh
is movement awareness movement
consciousness intelligence and activity
so hip and hop hip hop means conscious
move all respect do but I beg to differ
I think he was completely right about
the term hop but as many of us do I
think he meant the term hip to fit his
definition as I know it the term hip
means to be with it or upon it hip cats
note was good and if you don't know
what's good you need to get hit am i
digging I found footage from a former
member of the Black Spades many members
of this gang were going to found the
Zulu Nation this former member of the
baby space had this to say about the
term hip hop
if it was a derisive turn original and
it really really really referred to us
sneakers you know clubs don't like that
shit you know what I mean you know the
black did one to feel they mature and
even teenagers one to feel they were
more adult more mature they kind of
looked down on us they look down us as
dogs and they called us hippity hop
words and boy joins and and floor
sweeper is they had negative terms for
us they didn't like what we would do
according to him hip hop was a derisive
term used by the disco crowd to downplay
the new movement that was on to come up
basically older heads talking down on
younger heads mumble rap versus real rap
sound familiar than anyone appears to be
quick to tell you that sex drugs
violence and materialism have no place
in real hip-hop yet
hip-hop was founded by kids and the
ghettos and projects of America some of
whom were former
or active gang members and criminals so
a lot of these original b-boys DJ's MCS
and graffiti writers could have been
stick-up kids drug dealers drug users or
even killers we have to do away with the
fantasy and folklore that tells us that
hip-hop was founded by a bunch of kids
skipping through the ghettos screaming
peace love and unity breakdancing
scratching rapping and holding hands and
as far as materialism being fresh to
death was the motto from day one obvious
from the gold chains and name-brand
clothing rocked and rapped about on
early hip hop records it might not have
been gucci louis fendi or product which
was mostly due to the lack of access to
luxury brands at the time but trust
stunting there's been a habit from jump
when it comes to our culture now some
may say that an early hip hop all those
things weren't glorified in the lyrics
and that's true it wasn't prominent but
it was there and this is supremely
apparent and one of hip-hop's early and
more popular chants make money money
make money money money you don't get
more materialistic than that
and you don't get more criminal than the
follow up chant which was take money
money take money money money
imagine whole clubs full of original
b-boys and b-girls singing along than
that but hip-hop purists will tell you
that this spotty
make money money make money money money
is more hip-hop than this it's the same
exact thing just phrase differently now
some of y'all might make the argument
for skill like MCS back in the day were
more skilled but at our culture's
inception and MC was just supposed to be
the master of ceremonies he wasn't
supposed to be some lyrical genius
spitting complex equations to make you
think the guide MC himself Rakim said to
him MC meant moved the crowd now I don't
know if y'all been in a sold-out arena
or a PAC club lately when future is
playing that crowd is definitely moving
matter of fact here's some footage circa
1986 of spooly D performing live at the
Latin Quarter in New York City
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now here's future live at Club Miami
once again I see very little difference
between the two but you go to a real
underground rap show and it's a bunch of
kids standing around waiting for the
emcee to get on and when he or she
finally does take the stage it looks a
lot more like idol worship than rocking
a party and that's what hip-hop was
originally about rocking a party and
having fun these underground shows are
80 percent dudes and a lot of kids from
the burbs who are so far removed from
the origins of the culture now looking
at those videos you can see that the
future crowd is a lot more like the
school edie crowd which is closer to the
origins of hip hop and I know what
you're gonna say next is the Honorable
cares one says you got to have style you
got to be original and I feel you but
what's so distinct about MCS from the
golden era school Edie busy be steady be
names Cadence's beats were all so
similar back then but when future
dropped he sounded like no one else and
I know because initially I would cringe
every time I heard his voice but
complaining about his auto-tune is like
complaining about people using the
tr-808 back in the day it's just a tool
there's a plethora of major label and
indie artists that use the same tool and
can't sell records there has to be some
skill and talent and what the man does
or else anyone can do it shit kinga
auto-tune and t-pain would still be on
the charts if that was the case and
let's not forget that this young man
came up under and paid dues with one of
the most talented and innovative crews
in hip-hop history the dungeon family
that's gotta count for something
but speaking of being innovative let's
talk about me goes the group wrapped
nerves love to hate three young men out
of Atlanta who happened to be the most
innovative group in hip-hop since the
90s everyone is biting their style these
days this type of impact hasn't been
seen since dice effects dropped in 92
but that's effects is considered real
hip-hop and Meagles are not what makes
dice effects realer skill lyrical
ability hears dice effects his first hit
they won effects
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to buckle my um sue yabba-doo here's me
goes first hit Versace
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both songs were huge hits in the club at
their respective times both tunes are
really playful but technically the one
considered real hip-hop
is the least original being that das
effects bars from nursery rhymes and TV
jingles yet those catchy things that are
in commercials and you can't be more
commercial than borrowing from a fucking
commercial yet backpackers will tell you
that dust effects his real rap and me
goes it's commercial rap let's be honest
the only thing separating into is
nostalgia older hairs used to get their
groove on and dose effects back in the
day so holds a special place in their
heart come on bro bums think any bumps
thinking he bumped doesn't mean a
fucking thing
it just sounds dope and it works with
the flow so why is that better than me
ghost repeating Versace Versace Versace
it serves the same purpose at least
Versace is a real word in my opinion
both groups are equally dope and
innovative and both groups have had a
huge impact on the game dose effects has
influenced stretch from kids like the
mega team mega team mag daddies
crisscross two grown-ass gangsters like
diggity Domino on the Westside he goes
complex did a whole piece on their
influence Yeezy GZ even J Cole but let's
go for another example that's affects
his last big song real hip-hop and me
goes more recent smash bad and bougie
school from das effects brings it like
this
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offset from egos does it like this we
did the most most yo whipping goes yo
madam as a token holding of our know ho
stuff I read the rule of diamond cooling
cool disenroll is not immune
daba none unlike the usual dad magic
with the British rule magic
courtside with a bad bitch then I send
the fit through both go I'm young and
rich plus I'm bullshit I'm not stupid so
I keep the Uzi ok so both verses
mentioned fly women being prepared for
the haters and they both make gunshot
sounds and their ad-libs
and while offset actually references
real hip-hop by name dropping rap legend
Slick Rick screw from das effects just
references Metallica yet backpackers
will tell you that dice effects is still
the real hip-hop why because they
repeated a bunch of times in the hook
because other than that they poke sound
like real hip-hop to me or is it the
production a lot of boom back Peters
feel like the beat has to have a sample
in it for it to be considered real
hip-hop but let's take it back to the
KRS sport you've got to be original and
what's more original than creating your
own music from scratch that's what
producer London on the track does he
made the rich gang hit lifestyle as well
as numerous other tracks for various
trap artists but most recently it was
announced he'd be collabing with real
hip hop's newest Saviour Joey badass so
what happens here there's learning on
the track become real hip-hop or does Oh
Joey badass become a sellout sellout see
you real heads are always so quick to
throw people out of the culture I mean
look at how they did hammer in the late
80s and early 90s
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and then q-tip hit him with quick
sidenote checked her on is probably my
favorite rap song of all time and I got
to squeeze it in two weeks in a row were
anyway these dudes were giving hammering
of business mostly because of his
mainstream appeal and the mound of
endorsement deals he had he had Pepsi
commercials a video game his own tennis
shoe and even his own cartoon but they
harassed his brother so much that he
eventually just dropped the MC from his
name I don't know if that's 100% why but
it felt like he was viewed as and
blatantly called a sellout yet a decade
later when 50 cent does some of those
exact things he's called a hustler and
praised for his business acumen even
conscious rappers like nas common and
Kendrick have commercials and rep for
mainstream brands and nowadays hammer is
viewed as a pioneer hip-hop legend and
has achieved icon status hey y'all
no one has the power to throw anyone
else out of the culture if you don't
like it you don't like it that doesn't
mean that it's not hip-hop or that it's
fake hip-hop that's just as silly as
East versus West or new school versus
old school there's room for it all and
thanks to technology nowadays it's a lot
easier to find and focus on what you do
like that's it let's end this with
another Pope from krs-one
and the gospel of hip-hop first
instrument caris one says this for an
all seem hopeless and oppression seem
permanent a caring protective nurturing
creative force independent of all the
world's political business educational
and religious institutions swept through
our hearts and homes and we were rescued
from sickness hatred ignorance and
poverty with the behavior that we
eventually began to call hip-hop look
what I think he's trying to say here is
the hip-hop is a divine gift giving to
the oppressed peoples of the world to
lift them out of their dire
circumstances and I like that idea and
whether you agree with what migos have
done with
gift or not I believe they used it for
its intended purpose they are three
young men who escaped the trap what they
do with that from here is up to them I
for one and grateful that hip-hop exists
to give me them as so many others the
opportunity to do B and C more and to me
that's what hip-hop is all about so real
hip-hop versus fake hip-hop is there
really a difference you might say hell
yeah I say fuck no let's talk about it
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