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香港美丽华酒店
所以呢 So?
这是唯一的短尾鳄 This is the only alligator.
四分钟过去了 我们一走进来 Four minutes past. We walk in one minute,
他就应该认出来了 he was clear on that.
劳 拉·珀 特 阿 斯
纪 录 片 制 作 人
他在路上 He's coming.
不 他太年轻了 没有那种权限 No, he's too young to have that kind of access.
格 伦·格 林 沃 尔 德
卫 报 专 栏 作 者
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那个餐厅什么时候开门 Uh, what time does the restaurant open?
中午 但食物有点太辣了 Noon. But the food's a little too spicy.
走这边 This way.
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香 港 2 0 1 3 年 6 月 3 日 周 一
借过 Excuse me.
谢谢 Thank you.
就在这里 Right here.
请勿打扰
终于见到你们了 真好 It's, uh, really great to finally meet you guys.
首先 请把你们的手机给我 So, first thing, can I get your cell phones, please?
谢谢 Thank you.
我们只让劳拉来录影 对吧 We want Laura to be the only one recording, right?
说过了 谢谢 As discussed? Thank you.
我买了这个 是为了屏蔽超高频信号的 I actually bought this. It blocks UHF frequencies.
你之前上过镜 对吧 You've been photographed before, right?
是啊 自上一次拍照 已经有一整子了 Yeah, it's been a while since anybody took a photo of me, so...
想象成它是你的朋友 Try thinking of this as your friend.
慢慢来 Take your time.
能先告诉我们 你为什么要这么做吗 Can you start by telling us why you did what you did
你是如何获得 and, uh, how you gained access
那么多信息量的 to such a vast amount of information,
我在飞机上读的那些 all of which I read on the plane
- 以及... - 格伦 - and... - Glenn.
不如我们先从他的名字开始吧 Uh, how about we just start with your name? Okay?
我的名字叫爱德华·约瑟夫·斯诺登 My name is Edward Joseph Snowden.
二十九岁 I'm 29 years old.
这里的私人承包商相当于外包公司 比如政府有一个项目需要研究 可以选择外包给公司 也可以让直属于政府的人员研究
为国家安全局担任私人承包商 I work as a private contractor for the NSA.
也为中央情报局工作 I've also worked as a private contractor
同时也直属中央情报局 for the CIA and directly for the Agency.
乔 治 亚 州 本 宁 堡 2 0 0 4 年
在过去九年里 I've worked in various jobs in the intelligence industry
我在情报业做了各种工作 for the last nine years.
我做过一名系统工程师 做过解决方案顾问 I've been a systems engineer, uh, been a solutions consultant...
以及中情局的高级顾问 And a senior advisor for the Central Intelligence Agency.
- 突击队... - 突击队... - Rangers... - Rangers...
你们想成为特种部队的一员吗 So you wanna be Special Forces?
是的 长官 Sir, yes, sir!
如果称呼你们为大兵 I think Special Forces would be ashamed
特种部队应该会感到羞愧 对吗 to call you soldiers. Am I right?
不 长官 Sir, no, sir!
一二一 一二一 Your left. Your left, right. Your left.
# 不开凯迪拉克 # Went from driving Cadillacs
# 去伊拉克保驾护航 # To driving convoys in Iraq
快 大兵 Move it, soldier!
快 快 Go! Go! Move now!
快 最好快点跑 Move! You better get going!
继续 你这个废物 Pick it up, you waste of space!
动作快点 Let's move!
加油 大兵 快 Come on, soldier! Go!
加油 亲爱的 Come on, darling!
斯诺登 你到底在干什么 Snowden? What the hell are you doing?
没什么 长官 Nothing, sir!
- 你的心脏在哪 - 在这里 长官 - Where is your fucking heart? - Right here, sir!
我想要你伸入 你那可悲的胸腔 I want you to reach way down in that pathetic excuse of a chest,
然后把它撕开 and you rip it out.
等你找到你的心脏 You find your heart, and then you get
再给我爬上那座塔 明白了吗 your broke ass on my tower! You got that?
是的 长官 Sir, yes, sir!
滚远点 别让我看见 Now get the fuck out of my face!
你们给我爬过这座塔 先生们 快爬 I need you on my tower, gentlemen! Let's move!
爬 爬 快爬 Move! Move! Let's go!
快起床 懒虫们 Rise and shine, maggots!
别躺着掏老二了 Get your hands off your dicks,
从营房里滚出来 and get the fuck out of my barracks!
你们只有一分钟 You guys got one minute!
解散 快 快 Fall out! Move, move, move!
快滚出去 滚出我的营房 Get the hell out here! Get the hell out of my barracks!
快 别停下来 Move it! Keep moving!
我们走 好吧 先生们 Let's go! All right, gentlemen.
- 哈里森 - 到 - Harrison? - Here!
- 卡尔森 - 到 - Carson? - Here!
- 拉米雷兹 - 到 - Ramirez? - Here!
该死 Fuck!
- 皮尔斯 - 到 - Pierce? - Here!
- 库尔森 - 帮帮我 - Coulson? - Help!
斯诺登 Snowden!
斯诺登 该死的斯诺登去哪了 Snowden! Where the fuck is Snowden?
救命 Help!
你一直都拖着两条损伤的腿 You know, you've been walking around on two broken legs...
我可以确定 已经几周了 Best I can tell, for weeks.
一个150磅的人背着80磅的帆布背包 Now this is what happens when you put a 80-pound rucksack
就会这样 on a 150-pound body.
一种过度使用造成的骨骼应力性骨折损伤 当肌肉过度使用疲劳后 不能及时吸收反复碰撞所产生的震动 将应力传导至骨骼 可引起小的骨裂或骨折
你患上了应力性骨折 You get these little stress fractures and...
- 放松 - 抱歉 - Easy. - Sorry.
它们在你的胫骨累积 They build up in your tibias.
你没管它们 最后就断裂了 You don't get off of 'em, and eventually they just bust.
你得在这待几周 Now, you're gonna be here for a few weeks,
然后大概还要拄 and then I'd count on another eight weeks or so
八个月左右的拐杖 on the crutches.
好吧 我什么时候回去 Okay, and then when do I go back?
孩子 你要是再用那双腿从哪儿跳下来 Son, you ever again land on those legs of yours,
不管多高 骨头都会摔碎 airborne or not, those bones will turn to powder.
我打算让他们批准你行政退伍 I'm gonna authorize an administrative discharge.
为国家效力的方法还有很多种 Plenty of other ways to serve your country.
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"攻壳机动队"也是我最爱的电影之一
你现实生活中也这么苍白吗
"攻壳机动队"也是我最爱的电影之一
你现实生活中也这么苍白吗
你有没有犯过罪 却没有被抓捕 Have you ever committed a crime for which you weren't caught?
没有 No.
你有没有考试作弊 Have you ever cheated on an exam?
没有 No.
你相信美国 Do you believe the United States
是这个世界上最伟大的国家吗 is the greatest country in the world?
是的 Yes.
你为什么要加入中情局 Why do you want to join the CIA?
你怎么解释 互联网对孩子的影响 How would you explain the Internet to a child?
外公以海军上将的身份退伍 Granddad retired as an admiral
然后加入了联邦调查局 and joined the FBI.
父亲在海岸警卫队待了三十年 Dad's in the Coast Guard, 30-year man.
你一生中最重要的日子是哪天 What has been the most important day in your life?
九月十一日 9/11.
我们以为祖父在五角大楼里 We thought my grandfather was inside the Pentagon.
事实证明 那天他刚好外出了 Uh, turned out he was off-site that day.
你想加入特种部队吗 You wanted to be Special Forces?
没错 长官 我喜欢他们的格言 Yes, sir. Yeah, I love their motto.
自压迫中解放 De oppresso liber.
那就是你想和我们做的事吗 自压迫中解放 Is that what you hope to do with us? Free people from oppression?
我乐意帮助我的国家改变世界 I'd like to help my country make a difference in the world.
Internet为互联网 Intranet为内联网 两个组合起来才是网络
互联网是一项技术 Uh, the Internet is a technology
它能让 that has the power
世界上的每个人都了解彼此 to let everyone in the world understand each other.
因为一个问题 Missed a perfect score on the ASVAB test
错失了职业倾向综合测验的满分 by a single question.
语言学习测试很出色 Crushed the language learning test.
会些中文 会些日语 Some Mandarin, some Japanese.
没有高中文凭 And no high school diploma.
你为什么辍学 So why did you stop attending high school?
我必须赚钱 我的父母那时候离婚了 I had to make money. My parents were divorcing at the time.
还有别的影响吗 Any other influences?
美国研究比较神话学的作家
约瑟夫·坎贝尔 I'd say Joseph Campbell,
1.《星球大战》三部曲是深受坎贝尔神话概念影响而拍摄完成的 2. 美国作家、哲学家、超验主义代表人物 也是一位废奴主义及自然主义者 3. 俄裔美国哲学家、小说家 她的哲学理论和小说开创了客观主义哲学运动
《星球大战》 梭罗 艾茵·兰德 Star Wars, Thoreau, Ayn Rand...
一个人能阻止世界的前进 One man can stop the motor of the world.
一部乌托邦小说 描绘了一个由自私而精明的商人、科学家、艺术家等社会精英组成的世外桃源 有着田园诗般的诗意和现实社会中欲望的满足
《阿特拉斯耸耸肩》 Atlas Shrugged.
没错 长官 我相信 Yes, sir. I believe that.
我们再问一次 Let's try again.
你为什么要加入中情局 Why do you want to join the CIA?
说实话 长官 Well, frankly, sir,
能拿到最高级别的认证很酷 it sounds really cool to have top security clearance.
不够 It's not enough.
很平常 但这不是平时 Ordinarily. But these are not ordinary times.
武力无法阻止恐怖行动 脑力可以 Bombs won't stop terrorism, brains will,
而我们的脑力还不够 and we don't have nearly enough of those.
我要给你一次机会 斯诺登 I'm gonna give you a shot, Snowden.
谢谢 长官 非常感谢 您不会后悔的 Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. You won't regret this.
我叫科尔宾·奥布莱恩 My name's Corbin O'Brian.
我有很多头衔 其中一个是高级指导员 I have many titles, among them Senior Instructor.
你会加入我在"高山"的班组 You'll be joining my class at The Hill.
停车 Stop the vehicle.
熄火 Shut off the engine.
出示身份证 I need to see your ID.
好吧 只用你的左手 打开后备箱 All right. Using your left hand only, pop the trunk.
将你的双手 Now place your hands
穿过方向盘 放在仪表盘上 through the steering wheel on the dashboard.
穿过方向盘 Through the steering wheel.
放在仪表盘上 不要下车 On the dashboard. Do not exit the vehicle.
这里 这里 Right here. Right here.
中 情 局 训 练 中 心 弗 吉 尼 亚 高 山 2 0 0 6 年
打扰 Excuse me.
你是在找科尔宾的班组 You'll be looking for Corbin's class.
在走廊尽头 一直走 穿过第二扇门 End of the hall, keep going through the second set of doors.
由德国人亚瑟·斯雪比尤斯于1919年发明 在1920年代早期开始被用于商业 也被一些国家的军队与政府采用过
谢谢 那是恩尼格玛密码机吗 Thank you. Is that an Enigma?
不 恩尼格玛早坏了 No. Enigma was broken.
恩尼格玛和西格巴基本的理论相同 不同点在于前者只有三个转子 而后者由15个且没有用反射转子
这是改良型 西格巴密码机 从没坏过 This is the follow up, the Sigaba. Never broken.
冷战时期最好的加密机器 Cold War's greatest encryption machine.
这个动力和这些转子推动着历史的潮汐 Tides of history ticked with this motor and these rotors.
总有一天 每个人都会想要一台这样的机器 One day everyone's gonna want a machine like this.
我一直想学密码学 这是什么 I always wanted to learn cryptography. What's this one?
热线电话 The Hot Line.
第一条华盛顿和墨西哥的直联线路 First direct link between Washington and Moscow.
很可能防止了第三次世界大战的爆发 Probably prevented World War III.
你叫什么 我怎么知道你不是敌人 You got a name? How do I know you're not the enemy?
抱歉 斯诺登 爱德华·斯诺登 Oh, sorry. Uh, Snowden. Ed Snowden.
汉克·福雷斯特 你哪里毕业的 斯诺登 Hank Forrester. Where'd you study, Snowden?
我大多数是自学 Mostly I'm, uh, self-taught.
由克雷研究公司设计 生产和销售的超级计算机 第一台于1976年诞生洛斯阿拉莫斯国家实验室
你很忙的话 可以告诉我 You can tell me if you're busy,
但那是克雷-1计算机吗 but is that a Cray-1?
怎么了 没错 是的 Why, yes. Yes, it is.
第一台超级计算机 The first supercomputer.
这台计算机上有的 现代的手机上都有 You can get all of this on a cell phone now.
没错 所以你是工程师吗 Yeah. So you're, um, an engineer?
我是工程师吗 还是指导员和顾问 Am I an engineer? Instructor and counselor, too.
我要留意你的计算机断层扫描 I'm supposed to keep an eye on you CTs,
确保你在压力下不会屈服 make sure you don't buckle under the pressure.
进而求助于毒品和酒精 Turn to drugs and booze.
对我你大可放心 Well, you won't have that problem with me.
我不吸毒也不喝酒 I don't drink or do drugs.
那你的罪恶是什么 What is your sin of choice?
电脑 Uh, computers.
那斯诺登 那你可是来对地方了 Well, then, Snowden, you've come to the right little whorehouse.
世界反恐战争的前线 The front lines in the global war on terror
不在伊拉克 也不在阿富汗 are not in Iraq or Afghanistan.
就在这里 伦敦 They're here. In London,
柏林 Berlin,
伊斯坦布尔... Istanbul...
任何服务器 任何链接... Any server, any connection...
现代的战场 The modern battlefield
无处不在 is everywhere.
也就是说 Which means
你们不必 you don't have to
坐在壕沟里吃即食口粮 或者躲避迫击炮的轰炸 sit in the ditch eating MREs or dodging mortar fire,
而是说如果还有一次9·11袭击 it means that if there is another 9/11,
就是你们的错 it'll be your fault.
就把我那一代的袭击当作最后一次吧 Just as the last one was my generation's.
相信我 你们不想承受那种责任 Believe me, you do not want to live with that burden.
我们先从能力测试开始 We're gonna start with an aptitude test.
你们每个人都要在你的国家 Each of you is gonna build a covert communications network
保护通信信道不被别人窃听和进行通信量分析 这种技术提供一种基于TCP/IP协议的匿名连接 从数据流中除去用户的标识信息
建立一个隐蔽通信网络 in your home city,
你们要配置它 备份你们的网址 破坏掉 you're gonna deploy it, back up your site, destroy it,
然后再复原 and restore it again.
这项练习的意义在于 The point of this exercise is to keep
让你们的基础设施安全地运转 your infrastructure up and running securely.
平均测试时间是五个小时 The average test time is five hours.
如果你们超过八小时 就不合格 If you take more than eight, you will fail.
奥布莱恩先生 Mr. O'Brian?
我完成了 长官 I'm done, sir.
你不必完成了一个阶段就告诉我 You don't have to tell me when you've completed a stage.
不 我全部都完成了 No, I finished the whole thing.
才四十分钟 It's been 40 minutes.
三十八 Thirty-eight.
什么 What?
三十八分钟 Thirty-eight minutes.
好吧 我们来看看你犯了什么错 Okay. Let's see where you screwed up.
你没说我们要按规程做 长官 You didn't say we had to do it in order, sir.
所以我为了节省时间 打破了序列 So I, uh, broke the sequence to save time,
在建立网站的时候 我让备份程序自动运行 and I automated the backup process to run as I built the site.
做你们自己的 Eyes on screens.
长官 Sir?
我现在该做什么 What should I do now?
随便 Whatever you want.
华 盛 顿 特 区
- 嘿 - 你好 - Hey. - Hi.
- 终于见面了 - 是啊 - Finally. - Yeah.
抱歉 Um, sorry.
你想点些什么吗 Do you, um, want anything?
不用了 我们出去走走吧 No. Let's go for a walk.
你能晒晒太阳 You could use some sun.
好 你之前就说过了 Yeah. You mentioned that earlier.
抱歉这么久才见面 我... Sorry it took me this long. I just...
你不想看我拄着拐杖 我不是很方便 You didn't want to see me on crutches. I was not so agile.
然后有了新工作 所以... And then this new job hit. So...
对了 你做什么来着 Oh, yeah, what was it you were doing again?
我在为国务院做分析 I'm doing analysis for the State Department.
- 好吧 恭喜你 - 谢谢 - Right. Congratulations. - Thanks.
不客气 You're welcome.
你能帮我个忙吗 Hey, can you do me a favor
指向国务院的方向 and, um, point in the direction of the State Department?
对 是那边 Yeah, it's that way.
哪里 你确定吗 Where? Are you sure?
我的方向感不是很好... I mean, I'm not that great at orienting myself, so...
也不太擅长撒谎 Not that great at lying, either.
如果你想当一名间谍 这两项可都得好好努力 You're gonna have to work on both if you wanna be a spy.
在我那里 每个人的父母 Where I came from, everyone's parents
都为"国务院"工作 worked for the "State Department."
而且 这周你频繁访问我的网站 Plus, every time you visited my website this week,
每次访问时 IP地址都是在佛吉尼亚州 which was quite often, it was from an IP in Virginia.
- 你知道怎么追踪IP地址 - 是啊 - You know how to run an IP trace? - Yeah.
我非常肯定 I'm pretty sure that the
国务院在佛吉尼亚州并没有办事处 State Department has no offices in Virginia.
对吧 Huh?
好了 你抬头挺胸走走 All right, let's see you strut it.
什么 Let's see what?
抬头挺胸的样子 让我瞧瞧 Let's see you strut it. Show me what you got, you know.
你最帅的猫步 Your best catwalk.
别害羞 Don't be shy.
来嘛 你可以的 Come on. You got this.
我不知道 I don't know.
布什下台 拒绝战争 Drop Bush, not bombs!
打扰一下 可以在请愿书上签名吗 Excuse me. Would you mind signing our petition, please?
当然可以 Yes, absolutely.
- 谢谢 - 非常感谢 先生你呢 - Thank you. - Thank you so much. Sir?
不了 谢谢 No, thank you.
打扰一下 女士 可以签个名吗 Excuse me, ma'am. Would you like to sign?
- 我刚刚签过了 - 好的 非常感谢 - I actually just signed. Yeah. - Okay. Thank you very much.
谢谢 Thank you.
这对你来说 太具有独立精神了吗 Too much independent spirit for you?
不 我就是不太喜欢攻击我的国家 Uh, no, I just don't really like bashing my country.
这也是我的国家 现在他的手上正沾着鲜血 It's my country too, and right now it has blood on its hands.
不好意思 我... 我有朋友正在战场上 Sorry, I just... I have friends who are over there right now.
我不是在说军队 I'm not talking about the troops.
而是说那个把他们送到战场上的蠢蛋 I'm talking about the moron sending them to war.
蠢蛋 你的意思是我们的总司令 Moron? You mean our Commander-in-Chief?
是的 随便你怎么叫他 反正他错了 Yeah, whatever you want to call him. He's still wrong.
你怎么知道他做错了 你只是在痛斥 How do you know he's wrong? You're just lashing out.
不 我不是在痛斥 而是在质疑我们的政府 No, I'm not lashing out. I'm questioning our government.
那才是我们在此的目的 That's what we do in this country.
也是我们建立美国的原则 That is the principle that we were founded on.
好 那为什么不质疑自由的媒体呢 Okay, but how about questioning the liberal media?
你现在只是听信一面之词 I mean, you're just buying into what one side is saying.
也许吧 因为我的立场没错 Maybe I am, 'cause my side is right.
看 有意思了 因为我的立场才是对的 See, that's funny, 'cause my side's right.
真的吗 Oh, really?
是呀 Yeah. Uh...
为什么聪明的保守派 总能让我这么恼火呢 Why is it smart conservatives always make me so mad?
可能是因为你不喜欢听到真相 Probably because you don't like hearing the truth.
你真是招人烦 你知道吗 You are a very frustrating individual, you know that?
我要怎么做才能让你明白呢 How am I going to make you see?
我挺明白的 谢谢 I can see just fine, thank you.
这样有帮助吗 That help at all?
不 对我无效 Nope. No, that did nothing for me.
自由派的味道 Tastes like liberal.
不是我的菜 It's not my thing.
绕开法院 布什允许间谍监听电话 扩大国内监听范围的密令
绕开法院 这种做法符合宪法吗 Is it constitutional to bypass the Courts?
不符合 第四修正案规定 No. The Fourth Amendment
在没有授权批准的情况下 prevents searches
不得进行搜查和逮捕 and seizures without a warrant.
完全正确 里约 也就是说 That's absolutely right, Rio. Which means
你们的总司令 美国的总统 your Commander-in-Chief, the President of the United States,
正在违法 is breaking the law.
你是这个意思 对吗 里约 That is what you're saying, isn't it, Rio?
我认为这取决于您和谁说 Well, I guess it depends on who you talk to.
如果是和记者说呢 And if you talk to journalists?
这些人通常不会管事情的来龙去脉 Who, more often than not, don't have the full picture,
或者对此不予报道 你只会得到部分真相 or neglect to report it, you only get a partial truth.
外国情报监视法 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
FISA法庭 The FISA Court.
我们尊重第四修正案中的规定 We do respect the Fourth Amendment in this country,
有嫌疑 才签发许可 and we issue warrants based on suspicion.
但有时候 许可是由秘密法庭签发的 But sometimes these warrants have to be issued by secret courts,
这样就不会打草惊蛇 so we don't alert the suspects we're spying on.
这些法院的流程都是机密的 And these court proceedings are classified,
也就是说 出人意料... which means, surprise...
他们是不会出现在《纽约时报》这样的报纸上 They don't appear in papers such as The New York Times.
你看到我的成绩了吗 Did you see my test scores?
看到了 我也是班上第一 像你一样 Yes. Top of my class. Like you.
什么 这里吗 What, here?
在国家安全局 他们都很喜欢我 NSA. They liked me plenty.
他们把我安排在最好的团队里 They put me on all the best teams.
沙漠风暴: 指1990年以美国为首的多国部队 针对伊拉克侵占科威特而发动的军事进攻
去苏联边境 参加"沙漠风暴" Soviet frontier. Desert Storm.
然后是一个巨大的全新挑战 And then the big new challenge,
在互联网的海洋中捞出恐怖分子 大海捞针 find the terrorist in the Internet haystack. Hell of a haystack.
每分钟一兆兆字节的数据 Hundreds of terabytes a minute.
可能得花掉四百年的时间才能读完的邮件 I mean, it would take you 400 years to read the emails.
你还得去分析它们 Then you have to analyze them.
有时候 看得越多 了解得越少 Sometimes, the more you look, the less you see.
那你想出什么方法了吗 What'd you come up with?
一个很棒的东西 Something beautiful.
就在这 花了三百万美金 In house. For $3 million.
我设计一个可以区分国内外信息的程序 A program that could differentiate between foreign and domestic,
并为那些非目标信息加密 encrypt every signal we weren't targeting,
所以这些信息处于保密状态 so it would remain private.
这个程序简洁 合理 It was elegant, streamlined.
是我编过最好的软件 It was the best work I ever did.
请坐 Have a seat.
这软件叫什么 What was it called?
爱德 想在我们的世界爬到最顶端 Ed, rising to the top in our world
有时候真得很难 can sometimes be hard on a man.
你认为你在进步 I mean... You think you're making strides,
手握主动权 you think you're taking the initiative.
可是 下一秒 他们就让你的成果消失不见 And then, the next minute, they grind your work out of existence.
他们没有用吗 为什么不用 They didn't use it? Why not?
他们从来不告诉你为什么 Well, they never tell you why.
两年后 9·11事件之后 Two years later, after 9/11,
一个朋友跟我说 a friend of mine tells me about
他们正在使用一个新承包商的项目 this new contractor program they're using.
配置花了四十亿美金 Costs $4 billion to deploy.
以我的软件作为模型 Modeled after mine
但没有信息过滤 没有自动化操作 but with no filters, no automation.
吸取所有信息 他们被数据淹没了 Ingested everything. They were drowning in data.
真是太糟糕了 It was a fucking disaster.
好吧 但是这一定是为大局着想 对吧 Okay, but there must have been some bigger picture, right?
花了那么多钱 他们也不蠢 I mean, spending that kind of money? They're not stupid.
你会觉得在情报行业里 You would think intelligence would count for something
情报是很重要的 in the intelligence business.
没错 但你知道现实是什么吗 Right. But you wanna know what it really is?
真正的主导是什么 What really sets the agenda?
军事工业化幸福管理 Military industrial happiness management.
只要国会一直开着金库 You keep the coffers open in Congress,
那么现金就会一直流向承包商 you keep the money flowing to the contractors.
效率 成绩 都抛在脑后 Efficiency, results? They go out the window.
更不用提... 好了 Not to mention... All right.
你上课迟到了 Well, you're late for class.
好的 谢谢 Okay. Thank you.
我可以拿另一个吗 当然可以 Can I take another one? Sure.
你有和任何人说过这事吗 Did you ever say anything to anybody?
有 我去了法院 交了诉状 Yeah. I went to legal. We filed complaints.
然后我就来了这 被雪藏 教你们 Now here I am, tucked away, teaching you.
从长远来看 也许这更重要吧 Maybe that's more important, in the long run.
你玩魔方功力进步了 You're getting better.
这是校园里我最喜欢的地方 My favorite spot on campus.
爱德 你打猎吗 You hunt, Ed?
和我爸爸玩过几次双向飞碟射击 Did some skeet shooting with my dad a few times,
不过 没有打过猎 but, no, I never went hunting.
我们找天去吧 We'll go one day.
那真是太好了 That'd be great.
奥布莱恩先生 我可以问你一个问题吗 Mr. O'Brian, can I ask you a question?
直接叫我科尔宾怎么样 How about just calling me Corbin?
好的 谢谢 长官 科尔宾 Okay. Thank you, sir. Uh, Corbin.
我之前和汉克·福雷斯特聊过天 然后想知道 I was talking with Hank Forrester and I wanted to know,
我们的通信情报程序都是有明确目标的吗 are all of our SIGINT programs specifically targeted?
当然有 如果没有 能有什么好处吗 Of course. What good would they be if they weren't? Hmm?
是啊 我不知道 Yeah, I don't know.
爱德 你有女朋友了吗 You have a girlfriend, Ed?
没什么吧 Uh, nothing serious.
她叫什么名字 林赛 What's her name? Lindsay.
林赛 Lindsay.
她在你身边吗 She going with you?
不 我不想让她处于危险之中 No, I wouldn't want to put her in any danger.
你不危险啊 Well, you won't have to.
我们不会把你送去中东地区 We're not sending you to the Middle East.
长官 我是你最好的学生 难道不重要吗 Sir, I'm your best student. Doesn't that count for something?
未来二十年 不会有人关心伊拉克那个鬼地方 In 20 years, Iraq will be a hellhole nobody cares about.
恐怖主义只是个短期的威胁 Terrorism's a short-term threat.
真正的威胁会来自中国 俄罗斯和伊朗 The real threats will come from China, Russia, Iran,
简称隐码攻击 是发生于应用程式之数据库层的安全漏洞 简而言之 是在输入的字串之中注入SQL指令 在设计不良的程式当中忽略了检查 那么这些注入的指令就会被数据库服务器误认为是正常的SQL指令而执行 因此遭到破坏
是资料隐码攻击和恶意软件 and they'll come as SQL injections and malware.
没有像你这样的人 Without minds like yours,
这个国家会在网络空间中被瓦解 this country will be torn apart in cyberspace.
我不想因为一个争夺土地 I don't want to risk losing you
和石油的破战争 而让你去冒险 for some horseshit war over sand and oil.
长官 听到你说这些 我很惊讶 Sir, I'm surprised to hear you say that.
你不需要和政客一样 必须做个爱国者 You don't have to agree with your politicians to be a patriot.
- 长官 你会把我派去哪里 - 花点时间 - Sir, where are you sending me? - Take a moment.
欣赏一下风景 Enjoy the view.
喂 Hey...
香 港 2 0 1 3 年 6 月 4 日 周 二
这是劳拉 This is Laura.
你好 Hello.
你好 很高兴见到你 Hello, nice to meet you.
你好 我是埃文·麦卡斯基 Hello, I'm Ewen MacAskill
来自《卫报》 很高兴见到你 from the Guardian. It's nice to meet you.
也很高兴见到你 Nice to meet you, too.
如果你不介意 我想录... Um, if you don't mind, uh, I'd like to record some of...
手机要放进微波炉里 Uh... Cell phones go in the microwave.
可以知道为什么吗 Dare I ask why?
等你问完问题后 我们再告诉你 We'll get to that. After you ask your questions.
好 在此之前... Yeah, before...
在讲那些故事之前 我需要更了解你 Before we get on to the stories, I need to know more about you.
听格伦说 你有很多职业 Your career by Glenn's account is very varied,
但《卫报》需要更多的证据才能... but the Guardian needs evidence that...
没错 这是我去友好国家的外交护照 Yeah. This is my diplomatic passport for friendly countries,
这是非友好国家的旅游护照 my tourist passport for everywhere else.
你可以看里面的签证盖章 You can check the visa stamps.
这是去博思艾伦咨询公司 国家安全局发的工牌 This is my NSA badge with Booz Allen,
这是去戴尔公司 中情局发的工牌 my CIA badge with Dell,
然后这是国防情报局指导员的工牌 and this is my DIA instructor's badge.
这是我和迈克尔·海登的合照 This is a photo of me with Michael Hayden,
他是前国家安全局和中情局的局长 who's a former head of the NSA and the CIA.
你什么时候可以发布 When can you publish?
- 好的 介意我坐下吗 - 不介意 请坐 - Okay, um, do you mind if I sit down? - No, please.
格伦说你想... Uh, Glenn says you want to, uh...
你想公布你的身份 You want to tell people your identity.
你认为你的政府会作何反应 How do you think your government's going to react?
他们会告我违反间谍法 Well, they'll charge me under the Espionage Act.
然后他们会说我威胁国家安全 And they'll say I endangered national security,
接着诋毁我 诋毁我的朋友和家庭 and they'll demonize me, and my friends and family.
把我关进监狱 And they'll throw me in jail.
这是最好的情况 That's the best-case scenario.
最坏的情况呢 And the worst?
如果我没有媒体的掩护 Well, if I don't have any media cover,
我会被中情局带回国 then I'll be rendered by the CIA
然后在法律范围之外被审问 and interrogated outside of the law.
那条路上就有一个分局 And they have a station right up the street.
但他们怎么会知道你做了什么 But how would they know what you did?
因为我在日志里留下了数位足迹 Because I left a digital footprint in my logs,
所以他们会查到我 so they'll figure it out.
我不想被捕 I did not want a manhunt.
我知道他们会怎么对待我的同事 I know what they would do to my colleagues.
听着 麦卡斯基先生 Look, Mr. MacAskill, uh,
我并不是为了钱或者其他东西 this is not about money or anything for me.
我没有隐藏动机 There's no hidden agenda.
我只是想把这数据 I just wanted to get this
呈现给像你们这样的记者 data to established journalists like yourselves,
以便于公之于众 so that you can present it to the world,
然后大众可以决定 到底是我错了 and the people can decide either I'm wrong
还是政府内部 or there's something going
有些地方真的错了 on inside the government that's really wrong.
所以... So...
这里有所有关于GCHQ This one is everything I have
你们英国情报机构政府通信总部的信息 on your British intelligence agency, the GCHQ.
之后会加密 An encryption key will follow.
最好让你们《卫报》的技术人员 You're gonna want your technical people at the Guardian
仔细彻底地查看 to look through that thoroughly.
里面有很多的信息 There's a lot of stuff there.
听着 他们会调查 Listen, they're gonna investigate,
然后他们会知道我都做了什么 and they're gonna figure out what I've done.
随后他们会来找我 And then they're gonna come for me.
既然我们已经碰头了 And now that we've made contact,
他们也会来找你们 they're gonna come for all of you, too.
介意我去微波炉里拿手机吗 Do you mind if I go look in the microwave?
美 国 卫 报 纽 约 办 公 室
埃文 我和斯图亚特在一起 Ewen. I'm on with Stuart.
你好 埃文 Hi, Ewen.
你好 斯图亚特 听着 我想说一件事 Hi, Stuart. Look, I've got one thing to say.
- 这里的吉尼斯黑啤很好喝 - 太好了... - The Guinness here is great. - Wonderful...
噢 绝对货真价实 Oh, absolutely the genuine article.
很好 Good.
但是和你期待得很不同 But shockingly different from what you'd expect.
所以... 我们接下来得应对律师了 So... Now we have the lawyers to deal with.
当然也包括白宫 And no doubt the White House.
我得到许可了 I got the go ahead.
很好 太好了 That's great. Oh, good.
我们开始吧 还有很多事要做 Let's get started. We have a lot to go through here,
这并不容易 and it's not easy reading.
是美国国家安全局一个绝密的监控项目 该计划是2013年覆盖面最广的窃取网络情报的计划 几乎涵盖了一个普通用户在网上的一切行为 包括邮件内容 网络访问和搜索以及相关元数据
我们可以从"Xkeyscore"计划开始 We can start by showing him XKeyscore.
好主意 你能再打开一次 Good idea. Ed, can you bring it up again
然后给我们解释一下吗 and walk us through it?
可以 Yeah.
他要在那里面给我们解释吗 Do we all get under there now?
他是在保护他的密码 He's protecting his passwords.
好了 那么... Okay. So...
这是我在日内瓦 This was introduced
执行中情局的第一个部署时知道的 during my first deployment at the CIA in Geneva.
"XKeyscore"计划 "XKeyscore."
那是用来做什么的 What does that do?
它就像一个搜索界面 It's like a search interface.
它要搜索什么 What does it search for?
你想知道的 都能搜索 Anything you want.
你在日内瓦的任务是什么 What was your assignment in Geneva?
瑞 士 日 内 瓦 2 0 0 7 年
好吧 我当时被指派 Well, I was assigned with diplomatic cover
去联合国大使馆做外交掩护 to the UN mission
来保证中情局电脑的网络安全 to maintain the CIA's computer security network.
我跟着中情局校官工作了近两年 I spent almost two years around CIA field officers.
美 国 驻 联 合 国 大 使 馆
通常是一个字符序列 唯一地标识某一刻的时间
我没看到任何时间戳 I don't see a time stamp on any of this.
专门用于大地测量的人造地球卫星 卫星测地系统的空间部分 可以作为地面观测设备的观测目标或定位基准
稳态测地卫星可以证明 We have a confirmation on the GSS.
对不起 长官 但我不明白 I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand.
谢尔曼说你黑了人力资源的网站 Sherman says you hacked the Human Resources site.
没错 我的工作就是要找出漏洞 Yeah, it's my job to find flaws.
人力资源部的网站安全不关你的事 The security of the HR site is not your problem.
你管得太多了 You went outside the wheelhouse.
好吧 先说清楚 我没有黑他们的网站 Okay, but just to clarify, I did not hack it,
我只是展示了这种可能 I showed that it could be hacked.
是你让我去找补丁的 You told me to find a patch.
你写下来了吗 You have that in writing?
简称PoC 证实发布的漏洞真实性的测试代码
是的 记得吗 我发过概念证明给你 Yes, I do. Remember, I sent you the proof of concept.
斯诺登 不管你做了什么 Doesn't matter what you did, Snowden.
是对还是错 Right or wrong, you need
你需要找一个替罪羊 to let these things be someone else's problem.
可还是会在你的档案里留下不良记录 He's also put a derog in your file.
- 什么 - 记住这个教训 - Excuse me? - Let that be a lesson.
我不想再接到谁的电话 I don't want him calling me again
说斯诺登又有什么问题 about another Ed Snowden moment.
好吗 Okay?
今天剩余的时间你就放松一下吧 Why don't you take it easy the rest of the day?
去擦光碟吧 Go work on the scrubbing pile.
看起来事情不太顺利 That didn't look like it went well.
伙计 是啊 我尽职工作却留下了不良记录 Oh, hey, man. Uh, yeah. No, I just got a derog for doing my job.
这就是政治啊 畏惧的文化再一次获胜了 Politics, man. The culture of fear wins again.
- 我在这里什么都做不成 - 没错 - I can't get anything done here. - Yeah.
我们说过的那件事怎么样了 Hey, um, what about that idea that we were talking about?
正在接洽 我还在等"高山"的朋友 I'm working on it. I'm waiting for a call back
给我回电话 from our friend at The Hill.
是谁 科尔宾吗 你打给科尔宾了 Who, Corbin? You called Corbin? Hmm.
你觉得他能帮上忙吗 You think he can do something?
等着瞧吧 在我的监督下 We'll see. Maybe some limited field ops
也许有些受限的区域吧 under my supervision.
没错 这真太好了 我很愿意... Yes, that would be amazing. I would love...
放松点 爱德 我要去米兰见一个牧师 Easy, Ed. I've gotta see a cleric in Milan.
我们之后再谈 We'll talk after.
好的 谢谢 Okay. Thank you.
该死 中情局不喜欢留下痕迹 Damn, CIA does not like to leave a trace, huh?
有什么事吗 Can I help you?
你想知道这里面是什么吗 You get curious to check one out?
看看你把哪些变态隐蔽的清除任务 See what kind of crazy-ass covert kill mission
从历史中抹去了 you might be erasing from history?
对不起 你是谁 I'm sorry, who are you with?
无此单位 我是加布里埃尔·索尔 No Such Agency. I'm Gabriel Sol.
我在局里可是有头有脸 I'm the 50-pound brain from the Council of Wizards and Warlocks.
什么 Excuse me?
给我布加勒斯特情报 兄弟 Oh. Giving me your Intel for Bucharest, dude.
除非这里有另一个戴夫·丘奇亚德 Unless there's another Dave Churchyard.
没有 那就是我 这边来 No. That's me. Right this way.
国家安全局
我在外面等你 I'll be right outside.
你愿意的话 可以留下 Stay if you want.
我没有权限使用国家安全局的程序 Uh, I don't have authorization to use NSA programs.
好吧 如果你是给布加勒斯特的通信员 Well, if you're the messenger to Bucharest,
你必须要有PRIVAC权限 you must have a PRIVAC clearance
才能查看最终的情报 对吗 to see the finished Intel, yes?
没错 Yeah...
对啊 如果你知道它是怎么组合的 Yeah, so what difference does it make
又有什么区别呢 if you see how it's put together?
随你吧 兄弟 Well, it's up to you, man.
你只能给我看个名字吗 Uh, you're giving me just names?
可不止名字 Uh, and a lot more than names.
我能给你 What I will be providing you
和特勤局的花花公子们 and the fine gentlemen of the Secret Service
提供从二月三号开始 is a list of every threat
乔治·布什总统
潜在安全威胁
对总统有威胁的所有人员名单 made about the President since February 3rd.
搜索
关键词
搜索值
攻击布什
包括每一个威胁者的简介 And a profile of every threat-maker.
这些都是现有的目标吗 And these are, like, existing targets?
99%都是来自批量采集程序 所以... 99% are gonna come from the bulk collection program, so...
上游计划: 美国情报机构的一个监控项目 与棱镜计划平行 主要通过美国周边的海底光缆搜集情报 MUSCULAR: 是英国的政府通信总部和美国国家安全局的一个监视项目 秘密地强行进入主流通信线路盗取信息 这些线路与雅虎和谷歌的数据中心相连 Tempora: 是英国政府通信总部前机密电脑系统使用的代号 此系统被用来保护大多数从光缆中引出的互联网通信 因此这些信息之后可以被处理和查看 棱镜计划: 一项由美国国家安全局自2007年起开始实施的绝密电子监听计划 能够对即时通信和既存资料进行深度的监听 许可的监听对象包括任何在美国以外地区使用参与计划公司服务的客户 或是任何与国外人士通信的美国公民
上游计划 MUSCULAR Tempora 棱镜计划 Upstream, MUSCULAR, Tempora, PRISM.
棱镜计划 PRISM?
你就跟白雪公主一样单纯 You got a little Snow White in you.
我感觉就像给你毒苹果的女巫 Which makes me feel like the witch bringing you a poisoned apple.
当庭首先出示的或主要的证据 也指重要的人证或物证
这里 证据甲 Here. Exhibit A.
奥克兰居民贾斯丁·平斯基在留言板上说 Oakland resident Justin Pinsky posted on a message board,
"罗马尼亚的历史上 "Romania has a storied history
处决领导人的故事比比皆是 of executing their leaders,
他们能不能帮我们个忙 把布什干掉" Couldn't they do us a solid and take out Bush?"
是Google G-Mail 里的一个即时聊天系统
这个看起来有意思 是来自G-chat的 Now this looks juicy. This is from a G-chat.
我去了布加勒斯特 会用你见做最大的蟒蛇 攻击你们的布什
"用你见过的最大的蟒蛇攻击布什" "...with the biggest python you've ever seen."
这怎么可能呢 How is this all possible?
关键词检索 Um, keyword selectors.
"攻击" "干掉布什" "Attack," "Take out Bush."
你就把他想成谷歌搜索 So think of it as a Google search,
区别就是我们不止搜索人们的公开言论 except instead of searching only what people make public,
我们也监视他们私下言论 we're also looking at everything they don't. So...
邮件 聊天记录 短信 所有的一切 Emails, chats, SMS, whatever.
我明白 但是要搜索哪些人呢 Yeah, but which people?
全国的人 白雪公主 The whole kingdom, Snow White.
能再说一次是哪个大使吗 Which ambassador was he again?
霍亚 他是世界贸易组织的 De La Hoya, with World Trade Organization.
好的 Right.
所以 So...
奥布莱恩帮你了 O'Brian came through for you.
他也认为你的才华被埋没了 He agrees your talents are being wasted.
准备好来点实际行动了吗 You ready for a little action?
真的吗 还是说就在这里 Really? What, you mean right here?
没错 就是现在 Yeah. Now.
看到那个粉色衣服的女人了吗 See the woman in the pink number?
瑞士信贷的 摩根大通在背后支持她 Credit Suisse. J.P. Morgan's on her arm.
外婆是德意志银行的 Grandma's with Deutsche Bank.
镇上的一万名银行家中 Ten thousand bankers in this town.
你只需要搞定这一个 All you need to turn is one.
活跃点 多认识点人 Socialize. Meet a few.
最好是认识那些 把从沙特赚来的巨额脏钱 Preferably ones sitting on a pile of dirty Saudi money
拿去资助本·拉登的人 that's funding bin Laden.
- 丘奇先生 丘奇 - 亚德 丘奇亚德 - Mr. Church. Church. - Yard, Churchyard.
这个人要么是傻子 要么是间谍
迪布里宁先生想要你的名片 Mr. Debrinin asks your business card, please.
一个大使 An ambassador. Wow!
真希望有你这么会说话 I wish I had your schmoozing skills.
这就是你需要我的原因 Uh, well, that's why you have me.
- 没错 你认识银行家吗 - 银行家吗 - Yeah. You don't know any bankers, do you? - Bankers?
你是在执行任务之类的吗 Are you on some kind of assignment or something?
"扩展人脉" 而且进展得不顺利 Um, "Relationship cultivating." And not well.
我帮你吧 Let me help you.
- 不用了 - 来吧 - No. - Yeah.
- 这很严肃 - 我知道这很严肃 - No, this is serious. - I know it's serious.
相信我 Trust me.
运气如何 Any luck?
没人上钩 No, no bites.
有什么技巧吗 Is there some kind of trick to it?
你要做的就是找到切入点 It's all about finding the pressure point.
剩下的就顺势而为 Everything else is just pushing on it.
好像有人叫你 Looks like you're being summoned.
- 我们需要支付额外的... - 马尔万 可以打扰一下吗 - ...we have to pay extra... Marwan? May I interrupt?
这是我男朋友 戴夫 This is my boyfriend, Dave.
- 你好 戴夫 很高兴认识你 - 我也是 - Hello, Dave. Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
马尔万在蒙福尔工作 Marwan works at Monfort.
我们刚刚在聊天 关于上周的事 We were talking, and after last week,
他或许能给你一些建议 he may be able to give you some tips.
- 先生们 我等下去里面找你们 - 上周 - Gentlemen, I'll see you inside. - Last week?
他有点不好意思 那对我们来说是很大一笔钱 He's embarrassed. It was a lot of money for us.
又称作即日鲜 指的是为了从当日证券或商品价格的波动中赚取利润 或是在股票或金融激活市场上买进或卖出后 为了避免价格破洞的风险 在当天进行抛补以轧平头寸 而在同一日买进及卖出同一档金融商品的投机式交易
当日冲销是有风险的 Day trading is a perilous sport.
- 你不必为此感到丢人 - 没错 - You shouldn't be ashamed of it. - Yeah.
我要去拿点食物 在里面等你们 I'm gonna grab some food. See you guys inside?
当然 Sure.
- 你女朋友很好 - 谢谢 - You have a lovely girlfriend. - Thank you so much.
我在IT部门工作 所以我以为 You know, I work in IT, and so I just figured
市场和网络一样薄弱 很容易就征服了 I could crack the market like a weak network.
我可以问你具体的数字吗 May I ask, how precipitous were your losses?
好吧 我跟林赛说是两万 Well, I told Lindsay it was 20,000,
但实话告诉你 已经接近四万五了 but between you and me, it was closer to 45.
我想要补救 但那就是个错误 Tried to recoup, but that was a mistake,
而现在也没有真正的触底 and now without any real grounding,
我觉得已经失控了 I feel like I'm just sliding out of control.
这种情况我见过很多次 Oh, I have seen it many times.
而且我总是乐于帮助他人 And I'm always happy to help a man
在开始前 改掉他的坏习惯 break a bad habit before it gets going.
谢谢 我真的非常感激 Oh, thank you. I really appreciate that.
他是我见过的最干净的巴基斯坦人 This is the cleanest Pakistani I've ever seen.
巴基斯坦的最高间谍机构 任务是收集国外和国内情报 协调三军情报机构 并负责对本局干部 外国人和媒体 政治活跃分子 驻巴的外交官和巴驻国外的外交官进行监视
和政府或者巴基斯坦三军情报局 We got no first-degree ties
没有任何一级联系 to government or ISI,
没有糟糕的家庭 no shady family.
二级联系非常完美 I mean, second-degree contacts are off the charts,
但是... 和其他中东的人一样 but that's... I mean, that's everyone in the Middle East
有六位数的收入 with a six-figure income.
我们不是一定 Well, it's not dirt that
要找到肮脏的部分 那只是一个切入点 we need necessarily, it's a pressure point.
一些私人的东西 一个弱点 Something intimate, some kind of weakness.
- 我可以看看他的家庭成员吗 - 当然 - Can we look through his family? - Mmm-hmm.
看看他的嫂子吧 How about his sister-in-law?
可以 Yeah.
那是什么 那是她最近发给某个人的视频吗 What is that, is that some video that she sent somebody?
不 这是实时的 就在巴黎 No, this is live. Out of Paris.
实时 什么意思 What do you mean, live?
"视神经" 照相机和麦克风激活程序 Optic Nerve. It's camera and mic activation.
真希望是我们做的 可这是英国人写的程序 I wish we could take credit, but the Brits wrote it.
激活 Activation?
没错 她的笔记本电脑闲置着 Yeah, her laptop's off.
或者 她只是忘了关 Or was, she just forgot to close it.
当然了 她怎么会知道呢 Of course, how would she know?
这软件很狡猾 摄像头的灯是不会亮的 This shit is so sly, the webcam light doesn't even turn on.
我一直想知道衣服里面是什么 Hmm. I always wondered what was under those.
够了 听着 我们就关注他在日内瓦的家人 Okay, look, let's stick to family in Geneva.
好吗 All right?
好吧 白雪公主 Okay, Snow White. Uh...
萨尔玛·艾尔琪玛妮
国际学校的十五岁女儿 Fifteen-year-old daughter at the International School.
是的 Facebook有吗 有可能做到吗 Yeah. Uh, Facebook? Is that possible?
兄弟 Facebook是我的最爱 Dude, Facebook's my bitch.
真的吗 Seriously?
比如她和父母的争吵 或者... Like, she fights with her parents, or...
别担心 别担心 Don't worry, don't worry.
我知道怎么找到这东西 I know all the hooks for this kind of fishing.
查询名称
萨尔玛·艾尔琪玛妮
查询名称 所以电子邮件 关键词 Uh, query name. So email, keyword,
你想选什么都可以 whatever selector you want.
理由
和著名的沙特经济服务商有关
我在写的 就是理由这一栏 And justification is where I write...
换句话说 她的父亲成了中情局的线人 In other words, turning your daddy into a CIA informant.
- 等等 就这样吗 - 就是这样 兄弟 - Wait, that's it? - That's it, bro.
你不需要获得FISA法庭的指令吗 You don't have to get a FISA court order?
702条款授可以将美国境外的合理人员作为监视目标 但仅限于非美籍人员
不 在这里不用 XKeyscore有702条款的保护 Mmm-mmm. No, not here. XKeyscore's under 702 authority,
也就是说不需要许可 which means no warrants.
好吧 但美籍目标呢 Okay, but U.S. targets then,
你需要得到法庭的指令吧 you'd have to get the court order?
FISA吗 You mean FISA?
是的 他们就是个傀儡印章 哥们 Yeah, they're just a big-ass rubber stamp, dude.
我是说FISA法庭的法官 I mean, FISA judges are all appointed by
都是由审判长任命的 你懂的... the Chief Justice, who's like, you know...
《星球大战》中的人物 拥有强大的原力与高超的武艺 以及多项惊人的天赋
一提到国家安全 就像达斯·维达一样 Darth Vader when it comes to national security. Boom.
好了 Here we go.
好吧 好吧 这男孩是三级联系... Okay, okay. And the boy at third base is...
叫纳迪姆 好吧 他十八岁 Nadim. Okay. He's 18.
萨尔玛说她想要嫁给这个男孩 Salma says she wants to marry him,
但不敢告诉父母 but is scared of telling her parents.
她不知道他还有另一个名字 尼古拉斯 What she doesn't know is that his other name is Nicolas.
而且他现在和杰拉尔丁与朱丽叶约会 And he's currently banging Geraldine and Julie.
还有... And...
他和他的土耳其母亲是非法居留的 He and his Turkish mother are here illegally.
就是这样 That's it.
你喜欢吗 Ah, you like that?
我很爱这些 I love these.
伙计 我们在这里做什么 Man, what are we doing here?
你很讨别人喜欢 You're making people very happy.
马尔万先生的银行持有大量的沙特资金 Mr. Marwan's bank handles serious Saudi money,
和一群俄罗斯的亿万富豪 and a whole bunch of Russian billionaires.
基地组织的钱呢 有什么可能吗 What about any Al-Qaeda money? Anything promising?
爱德 我马上就要升职了 Ed, I'm up for a promotion soon.
我不会忘记我的朋友 I will not forget my friends.
谢谢 Thank you.
这事发生得有点太快了吧 This is all going kind of fast though, right?
我只是发了些基本的背景资料 I mean, I just sent some initial background.
他来了 那个人 There he is! The man!
嘿 马尔万 Hey, Marwan!
戴夫 见到你真是太好了 Dave. How wonderful to see you.
我也是 Good to see you, too.
我算着呢 马尔万 Uh, I was counting, Marwan,
你在后面鬼鬼祟祟 多花了半小时 you snuck in an extra half hour back there.
恐怕她只是在听一个老头子吐苦水 I'm afraid she was merely listening to an old man's woes.
我明白了 Oh, I see.
你怎么样了 马尔万 So, how are you, Marwan?
我必须告诉你 戴夫 自从我们遇见之后 I must tell you, Dave, since we met,
我的人生就一团糟 my life has gone somewhat Topsy-turvy.
天哪 我很抱歉听到这样的消息 Oh, no, I'm sorry to hear that.
但你这位同事Charles But your colleague Charles here
帮了我一把 has graciously offered his help.
所以我欠他和你一个人情 So I owe him and you a great deal.
请问 发生什么事了 Can I ask what happened?
我女儿她... My daughter had an...
马尔万的女儿吞了很多安眠药 Marwan's daughter took too many sleeping pills.
不过她已经没事了 She's all right.
事情的起因是他男朋友 It had something to do with her boyfriend,
最近被驱逐出境了 who was recently deported.
我们想办法给他弄了个签证 We're trying to secure a visa for him.
就算是这样 我也怕Salma会... And even so, I'm afraid that Salma will...
抱歉 我不该拿这种事烦你 I'm sorry. I won't trouble you with such matters.
- 不 不 你... - 你想说什么就说吧 - No, no, you... - Hey. You talk as much as you want.
好吗 家人才是第一位的 All right? Family comes first.
我的宝贝在这呢 There's my beauty.
我以前从没喜欢过这玩意 I'm never like this before.
是吧 当然了 Oh, sure. No, of course.
坐下吧 坐好 You sit down, huh? Sit tight.
坐好啊 You sit tight.
什么情况啊 What the fuck's going on?
我一直在迅速且有效地 I have been acting swiftly and effectively
利用你所提供的好情报 on the very good signals intelligence you've provided.
要是他女儿死了怎么办 And if his daughter had died?
这一点可以利用啊 We could have used that too.
你认真的吗 就为了升职吗 Are you serious? What, in the name of a promotion?
马尔万现在离不开家人了 Marwan can't be away from his family right now.
所以 等早上他面对一周牢狱之灾的时候 So in the morning, when he's facing a week in jail,
我们开出的条件 他就不会拒绝了 we're going to offer him a deal and he won't turn it down.
等等 监狱 理由呢 Wait, jail? For what?
醉酒驾驶 Drunk driving.
好了 你打电话报警 Now, I want you to call the police.
告诉他们 你看到一辆奔驰朝北去了... Tell 'em you saw a Mercedes headed north...
不 他现在没在开车啊 No, he's not driving right now.
你看看他 他会害死自己的 Look at him, he'll kill himself.
- 行吧 我来报警 - 嗨 - Okay. I'll call 'em. - Hey!
他没有开车 He's not driving.
那我问你 Remind me, are you
你有使用国家安全局程序的权限吗 authorized on any of the NSA programs you used?
所以 我们都干了点不可告人的事对吧 So we're both doing a little fucked up shit here, huh?
- 注意点 爱德 - 我会告诉他你真实身份 - Watch yourself, Ed. - I will tell him who you are.
你要是暴露了一个卧底的身份 You reveal the identity of an undercover officer,
那可要比马尔万蹲更久的监狱了 you're going to jail for a lot longer than Marwan.
嗨 Hey!
抱歉我这么晚才回来 Sorry I'm so late.
工作怎么样 How was work?
工作... It was, uh...
还行吧 It was all right. Yeah.
我只能睡三个小时 I have to wake up in, like, three hours.
七点的飞机 My flight's at 7:00.
那我们得快点了 Well, we'd better be quick, then.
在不违背我们的宪法和自由的前提下 I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies
我将提供给情报机关和执法机构所需的 with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists
追踪和铲除恐怖份子的工具 without undermining our constitution and our freedom.
这就意味着 再也不会有针对美国公民 That means no more illegal wiretapping
非法窃听的行为发生 of American citizens.
在不便之时 不会再无视法律 No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient.
我们不做这样的事 That is not who we are.
- 嗨 亲爱的 - 嗨 - Hey, hon. - Hey.
不是说要去伦敦的吗 What happened to the London trip?
结果是我不用去了 Turns out I'm not going.
什么情况 谁赢了 What's going on? Who's winning?
今早 米歇尔·奥巴马在芝加哥投了票 ...and Michelle Obama voted this morning in Chicago.
- 我投票了 - 在亚利桑那州... - I voted. - In Arizona...
还早呢 Still early.
约翰·麦凯恩 美国政治家、共和党重量级人物 曾于2008年参选过美国总统 辛迪·麦凯恩是其妻子
约翰和辛迪·麦凯恩也投过票了 随后去了科罗拉多州 ...John and Cindy McCain voted, and then they landed in Colorado
去保卫已变成必争之地的 to defend a traditionally Republican state
传统共和党州 that has turned into a battleground.
来看看情况 Hey. Let's see.
奥巴马以67%领先于32%的麦凯恩... Obama ahead 67% to 32%...
奥巴马因年幼时大耳朵 被起的怪名字而被欺负
加油啊 大耳朵 看看佛州的情况 Come on, big ears. Check out Florida.
天哪 他要赢了 Holy shit, he's gonna win it!
- 佛州吗 - 对啊 - What, Florida? - Yeah!
佛罗里达是美国大选中出名的"摇摆州" 一共有27票 几乎每次大选都为候选人的必争州
- 很关键啊 - 非常关键 - That's big. - Yeah. It's huge!
你可以表现得漠不关心 You can act all nonchalant,
但我知道你一直在支持他了 but I know you were starting to root for him.
我一直关注着你内心自由主义的滋长 I've been watching your inner liberal grow.
这我可算得上是功臣了 For which I will take a modest percentage of the credit.
你应得的 And you deserve it.
这是什么 What is this?
在密苏里州 ...in Missouri.
麦凯恩获56%的支持率 奥巴马43% 56% for McCain, 43% for Obama.
那个东西啊 你... 留在那吧 那是... Oh, yeah, that. Just... leave that there. That's, uh...
俄罗斯的黑客 安全局说 Russian hackers. The Agency says
他们可以激活网络摄像头 所以... they can activate webcams now. So...
真可怕 That's creepy.
是啊 很困扰我 Yes. It's really bothering me.
无所谓啊 这又不是大事 你不该为这个烦恼 Whatever. It's not a big deal. You shouldn't let it bother you.
- 不是大事吗 - 不是吧 - It's not a big deal? - No.
有人现在正看着你也不算大事吗 What, that someone could be watching you right now?
不算 我又没什么要隐瞒的 No, I'm not hiding anything.
- 你这真是胡说 - 哪句话 - That's such a bullshit line. - What is?
- 没什么要隐瞒的 - 我的确没有啊 - I have nothing to hide. - I don't.
每个人都有的 Everyone does.
好吧 那我有什么要隐瞒的 Okay, well then, what do I have to hide?
- 算了 - 不 你说 我有什么要隐瞒的 - Forget it. - No, what do I have to hide?
不 算了... 别说了 No, never... Let's just drop it.
你显然认为我在隐瞒什么啊 所以... Well, apparently you think that I'm hiding something, so...
好吧 那天 你的电脑开着 Okay, the other day, your computer was open,
我刚好发现 你在浏览我们相识的网站 and I happened to notice you were on the site where we met,
在找别的男人 and you were looking at other guys.
你看了我电脑吗 You just were looking at my computer?
我本来都不会提起这件事的 I wouldn't have even brought this up.
你问了我 "我有什么要隐瞒的" You asked me, "what do I have to hide?"
这就是你隐瞒我的事啊 That's something you're not telling me.
那不是... 我什么都没干啊 Well, it's not... I don't do anything,
我没有见过上面的任何人 I don't meet any of those people.
你一走就是几周 You're gone for weeks at a time.
所以我就看看别人的生活 So it's like I'm peering into other peoples' lives
因为我的生活暂时没什么动静了 because my own is just temporarily on hold.
听起来像个借口 That sounds like an excuse.
这是事实 It's the truth.
我该告诉你的 但我没有 I should have told you. And I didn't.
真的很抱歉 但这不是大事啊 I'm really sorry. But it's not a big deal.
嘿... Hey...
看着我 我不想要其他任何人 Look at me. I don't want anyone else.
我不想过任何别的生活 I don't want any other life.
好吗 Okay?
听着... Listen, uh...
我今天没去伦敦 是因为我辞职了 I didn't go to London today 'cause I resigned.
什么 What?
是由于个人差异 It was personal differences,
而且是原则问题 and it was a matter of principle.
你还能告诉我其他事吗 Can you tell me anything else?
你是转别的部门了 还是... Do you get reposted, or...
不是 我从中情局辞职了 No, no, I resigned from the CIA.
什么意思 那我们该怎么办 So what does that mean? What do we do?
我不知道 我会搞定的 但是 听着 我... I don't know. I'll figure it out, but listen, I...
这是件好事 相信我 This is a good thing. Trust me.
我信你 I do.
嘿 Hey.
他要赢了 He's gonna win.
奥巴马获52%的支持率 麦凯恩获48% 52% for Obama, 48% for McCain.
是啊 他最好赢了 Yeah, he'd better.
CNN现在可以宣布 现年四十七岁的贝拉克·奥巴马 CNN can now project that Barack Obama, 47 years old,
将当选美国总统... will become the President of the United States...
每个机构和部门 都应该知道 Every agency and department should know that this administration
政府和那些 stands on the side
让信息公之于众的人们是一边的 not of those who seek to withhold information,
而非试图隐瞒信息的人那边 but those who seek to make it known.
亚尼内是一家 Janine is the website editor
香 港 2 0 1 3 年 6月4日 周二
英国本土小报社的网站编辑 of a small stateside office of a British newspaper,
要对抗世界上最强大的政府 up against the most powerful government in the world.
她不会被威胁 She won't be bullied.
我们需要确定公开此事 We need to establish that we're not compromising
不会损害到国家安全 national security by publishing.
我们需要有余地 We need to have alternatives.
听着 爱德 Listen, Ed,
真正的问题在于白宫那边 the real issue here is that they, the White House,
意识到亚尼内有一份泄漏的绝密FISA法庭指令 are aware that Janine has a leaked top secret FISA court order.
什么事都有可能会发生 Anything could happen.
他们可以给《卫报》寄传票 They could subpoena the Guardian
那样的话 他们随时 and, for that matter, they could
都会冲进那扇门 break through that door any minute,
了结这一切 ending all of this.
我们没时间了 We are running out of time.
我们真的得考虑 在我们的网站上发布 We seriously have to think about doing this on our own website.
我们没有选择 We have no choice.
等等 你不能随便就在网上 Wait, you can't just start dumping articles
发文章 格伦 认真一点 on the Internet, Glenn! Be serious.
大型文档泄露及分析网站 目的为揭露政府及企业的腐败行为
看看维基解密 信誉全毁 Look at WikiLeaks. It destroyed their credibility.
听着 爱德 你自己也说了 Look, Ed, you said it yourself,
如果这事处理得不好 世界上没人会发现的 if this isn't done properly, the world isn't gonna take notice.
你需要有经验的记者 带领公众 You need experienced journalists to lead the public
了解这个非常复杂的故事 through some very, very complicated stories.
我们就是有经验的记者 We are experienced journalists.
我感觉... My feeling...
- 之前有人打电话来过吗 - 没有 三周来都没有一次 - Has anyone called here before? - Not once. Not in three weeks.
我... 我该接一下吗 Well, I'll... Shall I answer it?
我告诉他打错了 I'll tell 'em it's the wrong number.
喂 Yes?
不 不需要 No, I don't.
好 谢谢 Okay. Thank you.
在原来的星级酒店的中 一般采用西式铺床 床上都是铺有床罩的 并且上面的毛毯都是用床单包住的 服务员将上面的床罩撤走 然后将上面的毛毯连上面一层床单打开一个大约是30度的角 以方便客人入睡
问我需不需要开夜床服务 Asking if I want turndown service.
她说门上的"请勿打扰"标签没了 She said the "Do not disturb" sign was off the door.
所以呢 So?
我们要等等吗 还是继续 Do we wait? Or go on our own?
听着 我从最开始就说了 Look, I said from the beginning
你怎么发布 是你的事 that how you publish is your business,
我也信任你 and I trust you.
我唯一要求的事 就是你看过数据之后 也要负责 The only thing I ask is you study the data, you be responsible,
不写名字 不提细节 任何在发生的 no names, no specifics, anything ongoing
危险的事 你都不发表 that's critical, you don't release.
你只要负责报道监视的事 You just stick to the issue of mass surveillance
然后让民众来决定 and let the people decide.
我们保证过了 You have our word on that,
但这不是问题 我们必须要问... but that's not the question. We have to ask...
听着 爱德 爱德 Look, Ed, Ed,
现在白宫那边正在安排 right now the White House is arranging a conference call
亚尼内和情报部门的电话会议 between Janine and the intelligence services.
可能几小时后就要开始了 Now that's gonna happen in a few hours.
至少等到那个时候 看看他们要和她谈什么 Let's at least wait for that, see what they say to her.
那我们暂停一会吧 I'd say we pause a moment.
是啊 等他们会议结束后 Yeah, I think we should reassemble
再重新到这个房间集合吧 in this room after the call takes place,
大概是在这边半夜 纽约中午的时候 so that's around midnight. Be noon in New York.
好吧 All right.
在此期间 我再看看棱镜事件吧 I'll take another pass at the PRISM story in the meantime.
好了 有什么事找我们 我们在各自的房间 好吗 Okay. We'll be in our hotel room if you need us, okay?
谢了 埃文 Thanks, Ewen.
- 没事 - 好 - Yeah. - Okay.
拍摄能停一会吗 Uh, do you mind maybe we take a break from that?
暂停一下 For a second?
好的 当然 抱歉 Oh, yeah. Sure, sorry.
你要看看吗 或许会让你更好受一点 You wanna take a look? Might make you feel better.
没有在录了 只是待机而已 It's not recording, just on standby.
好 Okay.
你什么时候开始这样的 不愿意被拍 When did this start for you? Not wanting your photo taken?
可能从日本开始的吧 Uh, probably in Japan.
我记得每次有镜头面对我的时候 I remember every time a camera got pointed at me,
我都有一种... 要窒息的感觉 it was like... couldn't breathe.
为什么 Why was that?
可能我通过镜头 I probably, uh, spent too much
看别人的时间太长了吧 time looking at other people through cameras.
国家安全局给你的第一个任务 就是去日本吗 Japan was your first NSA job, right?
对 担任戴尔公司的私人承包商 有很多权限 Yeah, well, as a contractor with Dell. Had a lot of access.
那你为什么日内瓦之后又回去了呢 Why'd you go back after Geneva?
因为钱的问题 而且我也想住在日本 'Cause the money, and 'cause I wanted to live in Japan.
其实 也因为奥巴马 And because of Obama, actually.
我以为他上台后 事情会有所好转 You know, I thought things were gonna get better with him.
但我错了 I was wrong.
东 京 横 田 机 场 2 0 0 9 年
在那里是什么感觉 What was it like there?
我每天的首要任务 Well, in the first part of my day,
就是写一个 I was building this
名叫"史诗避难所"的全天候备份系统 round-the-clock backup system called Epic Shelter.
如果发生了什么灾难 So, if there was some catastrophe,
比如说 恐怖份子烧毁了中东的 say, uh, terrorists burned down every embassy
所有国家安全局据点和大使馆 and NSA post in the Middle East.
这个程序会确保 我们不会丢失任何数据 This program would ensure we wouldn't lose any of that data.
但有时候 有访客来的话 But then, I would have
我就得先放下这个工作 to put it aside when visitors would show up.
嗨 爱德 Hi, Ed.
国家安全局想给日本人展示一下我们的实力 NSA wanted to impress the Japanese, show them our reach.
他们很喜欢能直播无人机 They loved the live drone feeds.
这是巴基斯坦上空 This is over Pakistan.
实时画面 Right now.
得知我们想要他们的帮助 来监视日本民众的时候 They were not as thrilled to learn that we wanted them to help us
他们并不高兴 spy on the Japanese population.
说这在日本是违法的 They said it was against their laws.
不过 我们还是窃听了整个国家 Course we tapped the entire country anyway.
但我们并没有就此止步 And we didn't stop there,
因为一旦我们掌控了他们的通信系统 'cause once we owned their communications systems,
就开始把目标瞄向他们的基础设施上了 we started going after their physical infrastructure.
我们把这些间谍程序植入电网 We'd slip these little sleeper programs into power grids,
水坝 医院 dams, hospitals,
为的就是如果哪天 and the idea was if the day came
日本不再是我们的盟友 when Japan was no longer an ally,
我们能断掉他们的电源 it'd be lights out.
而且不仅是日本 And it wasn't just the Japanese.
我们还在墨西哥 德国 巴西 奥地利 We were planting malware in Mexico, Germany,
都植入了恶意软件 Brazil, Austria.
中国 俄罗斯 伊朗 委内瑞拉 I mean, China I can understand, or Russia, or Iran,
我都能理解 但是 奥地利 or Venezuela, okay. But Austria?
我们还被要求监视世界上大部分的领导人 You're also being ordered to follow most world leaders
和产业巨头 and heads of industry.
要追踪贸易协定 性丑闻 You know, you're tracking trade deals, sex scandals,
八大工业国的联盟 G20于2009年取代G8成为全球经济合作的主要论坛
和外交电报 让美国 diplomatic cables to give the U.S.
在八国集团的谈判中占据优势 an advantage in negotiations at the G8,
或是制衡巴西石油公司 or leverage over Brazilian oil companies,
或是用来把某些第三世界 or helping to oust some
不配合的领导人赶下台 third-world leader who's not playing ball.
最后 就真正理解了 And ultimately, the truth sinks in
不管你用任何理由说服自己 that no matter what justification you're selling yourself,
这事跟恐怖主义无关 this is not about terrorism.
恐怖主义只是个借口 Terrorism is the excuse.
这是关乎经济和社会支配的事 This is about economic and social control.
你唯一在维护的 And the only thing you're really protecting
就是自己国家政府的霸权 is the supremacy of your government.
你那个时候 有想过要找记者吗 Were you thinking about going to journalists then?
没有 当时我根本没有想到过 No. No, that wouldn't have occurred to me back then.
我当时觉得 体制会自我修复 I just thought, you know, the system will self-correct,
总统会遵守当初竞选时许下的诺言 and the President will keep his promise that got him elected...
那时候 我第一次得知你 That's actually when I first
和你的作品 started reading about you and your films.
是在格伦的博客上 It was in Glenn's blog.
你被扣留在机场好几个小时 You were being detained in airports for hours.
三十七次了 就因为调查自己国家的战争 Thirty-seven times. For investigating your own country's wars.
这就是我为什么要回柏林做编辑 That's why I'm going back to Berlin to edit.
在这一点上 你要相信我 You can trust me with this.
我相信你 I do. Yeah.
我好几年都没信任过别人了 I haven't trusted anyone in years.
他们把我派去监视恐怖主义时 It was a welcome change
是个很好的改变 when they put me on terrorism watch duty.
每天 我都会进入系统 查看SIGINT Every day, I'd go in and I'd get starting points for SIGINT,
查询名称 国内威胁
就是通信情报 which is signals intelligence.
最近理由 美国路由器制造商的雇员 亚洲航空公司的网站流量 执行漏洞评定的IPSec流量 潜在恐怖分子网站的访问者 欧洲经济制度的VPN流量 美国极端主义家庭成员 目标在非洲的VPN流量 美国的潜在安全威胁 欧洲航空公司的VPN流量 德国政府雇员的邮件流量
监视的大多都是美国人 感觉很奇怪 A lot of them were American, which felt strange,
但你会一直告诉自己 but you just keep reminding yourself,
我可以阻止一场炸弹袭击 I could stop a dirty bomb attack
拯救成千上万人的生命 and save thousands of lives.
但事实上 你不仅是在追踪那些坏人 The thing is, you're not just following your bad guy targets.
又称中介数据、中继数据 为描述数据的数 主要是描述数据属性的信息 用来支持如指示存储位置、历史数据、资源查找、文件记录等功能
你还在追踪他们的元数据 You're also following their metadata,
就是他们所联系过的 which is basically all the
所有电话号码 phone numbers that they're in touch with.
比如说你的目标 是一个阴险的伊朗银行家 Let's say your target is a shady Iranian banker
黎巴嫩首都
在贝鲁特做生意 operating out of Beirut, okay.
你在看他所有的资料时 同时也在看 So you're watching his stuff, but you're also watching
和他有联络的所有人的资料 all the people that he talks to.
其中包括了 他那个 Including, you know, his cousin,
在水牛城当牙医的表弟 who's just some dentist living in Buffalo.
然后你就得查看所有跟他表弟有关联的人 And then you have to watch all of that guy's contacts.
从原始目标开始 一直他到第三层联系 And by the time you go a third hop out from the original target,
你就会看到一个酒保 you're watching this bartender
在跟他妈妈说肉毒杆菌的事 chat with her mother about Botox.
而每一个人的第三层联系 假设有四十个 'Cause three hops from anyone with, say, 40 contacts,
你的名单上就有250万人了 you're looking at a list of 2.5 million people.
那个时候 你就呆坐在那 And there's that moment when
被如此巨大的规模给吓到 you're sitting there and the scale of it hits you.
国家安全局真的在监听世界上所有的手机 The NSA is really tracking every cell phone in the world.
不管你是谁 No matter who you are,
你的日常生活 都被存在了数据库里 every day of your life, you're sitting in a database
等着被人观看 just ready to be looked at.
不只是恐怖份子 或国家 或公司 而是你 And not just terrorists, or countries, or corporations, but you.
林赛当时跟你一起在日本吗 Was Lindsay with you in Japan?
在日本我们过得很不好 Japan was difficult for us.
你应该不能说关于工作的事吧 I guess you couldn't talk about your work.
不能 No.
有天晚上 一切快结束的时候 There was this one night, uh, towards the end,
我们打算第二天去爬富士山 when, uh, we were supposed to go climb Mount Fuji the next day...
你要把那照片发到推特上去吗 Are you gonna post that on Twitter?
不 No.
只是给我看的 你觉得怎么样 They're just for me. What do you think?
你应该删了 You should delete those.
这可不是我期待的艺术批评啊 That's not quite the artistic critique I was going for.
抱歉 你... 你应该... I'm sorry. You just... You should...
你不能在硬盘里面存那种东西 You can't have stuff like that on your hard drive.
我当然可以 Yes, I can.
你能不能... 算我求你 你能删了吗 Can you just please... I'm asking you, can you delete them?
又是什么俄罗斯黑客吗 Russian hackers again?
不是... No...
是我们吗 Is it us?
这是机密 It's classified.
我是目标吗 Am I a target?
当然不是 Of course not.
很显然有人看了我的裸体写真 Clearly someone is looking at my nude portraits.
好吧 我不该提起的 Okay. I shouldn't have brought it up.
可以吗 这关乎到国家的安全问题 All right? It's issues of national security.
我很荣幸我的胸 Well, I am flattered that my boobs
能牵扯到国家安全问题 are considered an issue of national security,
你这个理由没用了 but you're gonna have to do a lot better than that.
我不想说一些 会让我们坐牢的事了 I'd rather not talk about stuff that could land us in jail.
那之前的那个创口贴是什么意思 So that's what the Band-Aids are about, then?
镜头恐惧症吗 And your camera phobia?
因为工作吗 Because of work?
他们是不是在监视我们 Are they watching us?
- 谁在监视我们 - 没有人 好吗 - Who are they watching? - No one, okay?
不要再说了 Let's just stop talking about it.
上床睡觉吧 然后明天早起 Let's go to bed, and wake up in the morning,
去爬那该死的山吧 好吧 and go climb this fucking mountain. All right?
当然我们不会再说了 Of course we're not gonna talk about it.
你这又是哪一出 What is that supposed to mean?
我们不会再说任何事情了 It means that we don't talk about anything anymore.
你一天工作十二个小时 回家就萎靡不振 You work 12-hour days, you come home depressed,
就他妈玩电子游戏 然后就睡觉 you play fucking video games, and then you fall asleep.
是啊 我很累 因为我的工作 Yeah, I'm tired 'cause I have a job
我们能在世界上消费最高的城市 that's what pays for this apartment
付这间公寓的房租 in the most expensive city in the world.
你明知道我没有工作签证 Which you asked me to come
还要求我来的 to knowing that I did not have a work visa.
好啊 那如果你有呢 Okay, what if you had one?
你真的愿意放弃 Would you really give up
你吃了睡 睡了吃 your beautiful life of eating and sleeping
醒了出去玩的美好生活吗 你真的想工作吗 and going out all the time? You think you'd really want a career?
像你这样的工作吗 A career like yours?
每天都过得很痛苦吗 不要 Where I'm miserable all the time? No.
这叫责任感 That's called responsibility.
去你妈的 Fuck this.
你知道吧 你他妈一点都不知道 You know what? You have no fucking idea
要为别人生命负责是什么样的 what it's like to be accountable for other people's lives,
因为你就活在一个 没有后果 because you live in a fairy tale land
也没有人会受伤的 where just there are no consequences,
童话世界里 and no one ever gets hurt.
不 不 是你不会受伤 No. No, you, you don't get hurt.
我的生活都被毁了 I get fucking crushed.
放你妈的狗屁 我什么都没干过 Fucking bullshit! I've done nothing to you!
对啊 你就是什么都没做 That's exactly right. You have done nothing!
不跟我出去玩 也不跟我笑 You don't hang out with me, you don't laugh with me,
甚至都不再碰我了 you don't even fucking touch me anymore.
- 对不起 - 住手 - I'm sorry. - Stop!
别碰我 No!
我们终究没去成富士山 We, uh, never made it to Mount Fuji.
在那之后没多久 林赛就走了 我... And Lindsay left pretty soon after that, and...
我在那里很寂寞 I was really lonely there.
但是三个月后 我也走了 我回到了马里兰 But after three months, I left too. I went back to Maryland.
哥 伦 比 亚 马 里 兰 2 0 1 1 年
我答应她 我会改变的 And I promised her I'd change.
然后我们又同居了 And, uh, we moved back in together.
确保膝盖一直弯曲 Make sure your knees stay bent,
等你觉得稳定了 and then you can fully extend
就可以伸展开了 准备好了吗 once you feel stable. Ready?
一 二 三 One, two, three.
一直往上 All the way up.
双手在膝盖中间抓牢 Now you wanna clench between your knees.
会有灼烧感 但这是好事 It'll burn, but it's a good burn.
很好 Perfect.
转过来 Twirl around.
完美 天哪 真为你们感到骄傲 Perfect! Oh, my God, I'm so proud of you!
当你真正开心的时候 When you're really happy,
身心的极大一部分 就会想继续开心下去 there's a large part of you that just wants to stay happy.
你就会开始想 还有什么比这更重要呢 And you start to think, what could be more important than this?
- 什么 - 怎么样 - What! - Is it okay?
天哪 太好看了 Oh, my God. It's so beautiful.
很多人快乐地度过了一生 You know, lots of people cruise happily through life.
为什么我不行呢 Why can't I?
一个人的效用功德 取决于他有否在能力范围内 尽全力实践自己的理想志向 失败苦 更苦的是从没尝试争取便成功
均出自罗斯福的名言
然后我回中情局工作了 And I went back to work at the CIA.
在软件的开发阶段 程序员常常会在软件内创建后门程序以便可以修改程序设计中的缺陷 但是如果这些后门被其他人知道 或是在发布软件之前没有删除后门程序 那么它就成了安全风险 容易被黑客当成漏洞进行攻击
有了后门程序... With backdoors...
名义上 我是解决方案顾问 My official title was Solutions Consultant.
但基本上 我就以在推销昂贵的硬件谋生 Basically I was hawking overpriced hardware for a living.
但你不是辞职了吗 But I thought you had resigned?
是啊 这是日内瓦事件后的承包工作 Yeah, well, it was all contract work after Geneva.
就是博思艾伦咨询公司 或者戴尔 You know, it's Booz Allen Hamilton,
跟中情局 国家安全局 or Dell, in partnership
还有国防情报局的合作关系 With CIA or NSA, DIA.
其实就是情报机构的旋转门 That's the intelligence community's revolving door.
回到自己国家 感觉怎么样呢 How was it? Being back in the States?
回家的感觉很好 It was, uh, it was really good to be home.
但马里兰才是事情开始有所改变的地方 But Maryland was where things started to turn for me.
每次我以为 Every time I felt like I
已经放下了当初 was finally letting go of all the anxiety
让我彻夜难眠的焦虑和困惑 and all the questions that used to keep me up at night,
我又发现了其他 无法忽视的事 I'd learn something else, and I just couldn't ignore it.
比如 国家安全局的三名高官 Like, there were these three high-level officials at the NSA,
比尔·宾尼 爱德·卢米斯 和柯克·维贝 Bill Binney, Ed Loomis, and Kirk Wiebe.
他们多年来 They'd been filing
一直在上诉滥用职权一事 complaints about abuse and overreach for years.
仅此而已 只是一直上诉而已 That's all they did, they just filed complaints,
联调局就突袭了他们的家 and the FBI raided their homes.
然后是托马斯·德雷克 Then there was Thomas Drake.
就像其他三个人一样 德雷克试图 Like the other three guys, Drake was trying
从内部做出改变 to change things from the inside.
但当一切并无成效时 他联系了媒体 But when nothing worked, he did go to the press.
结果他们说他违反了反间谍法 我们都震惊了 So they hit him with the Espionage Act, and we were shocked.
整个网络上的人都震惊了 The whole Intel community.
你觉得自己为什么会被起诉 Why do you think you were charged?
因为我传递了寒心的消息 To send a chilling message.
给谁 To whom?
给其他揭发者 其他在政府工作的人 To other whistleblowers, to others in the government,
不要说出去 not to speak out.
不要跟权力部门讲真相 我们会铲除你 Do not tell truth to power. We'll hammer you.
国家安全局在瓦胡岛的指挥中心 There's a new program being developed
开展了新项目 at the NSA's op center on Oahu.
要去对付中国的网络部门 You'd be going up against Chinese cyber divisions.
有兴趣吗 You interested?
不会像你现在一样赚大钱 Won't be the vast sums of money you're making now,
但你会为国家做出很大的贡献 but you'd be performing a critical service for your country.
我知道这对你来说很重要 I know that's important to you.
像在日内瓦一样吗 You mean service like in Geneva?
马特错了 不该逼你的 Matt was a mistake. Shouldn't have pushed you into that.
你没有逼我啊 You didn't push me into it.
是我要求出外勤的 你同意了 I asked for exposure to field ops, you gave it to me.
那一点 我不会怪你的 I won't hold that against you.
那你有什么事要怪我吗 Is there something you do hold against me?
你没有告诉我 我们是在 You didn't tell me we were running
布一个天网 科尔宾 a dragnet on the whole world, Corbin.
好枪法 爱德 Great shooting, Ed.
谢谢 Thank you.
真棒 That's terrific.
我在军队里的时候 就挺擅长射击的 It's the one thing in the Army I was good at.
你有没有想过 爱德 You ever think, Ed,
二战都已经过去六十年了 since the Second World War,
第三次世界大战还没有爆发 it's been 60 years and still no WW III.
为什么 Why?
因为我们通常把权力 Because we've used our power generally
用在了对世界好的方面上 for the good of the world.
为了繁荣和秩序 For prosperity, order.
要是没有网络部门夜以继日的工作 How can we defend ourselves against
我们要怎么才能保护自己 nuclear war, terror attacks, cyber-attacks
免受核战争 恐怖袭击 without a centralized Intel factory
和网络攻击的困扰呢 working around the world night and day?
那我们就该记录数十亿人的生活吗 So we should catalogue billions of people's lives?
大多数人的生活都是主动发给公众看的 Most people already catalogue their lives for public consumption.
那只是他们生活的一部分啊 Well, they catalogue part cf their lives,
而且是自由选择的 and they do it by choice.
我们根本没有给他们选择的余地 We're not giving them the choice.
直接全都记录下来了 We're just taking everything.
大部分美国人不想要自由 只想要安全 Most Americans don't want freedom, they want security.
这是个简单的交易 如果... It's a simple bargain. If...
好孩子 好孩子 Good girl! Good girl!
如果你想安全地 If you want to play with all the new toys
使用所有的新鲜玩意 就得付出代价 and be safe, you pay the price of admission.
对啊 但是人们 Yeah, except people,
甚至都不知道他们已经做了交易 they don't even know they've made that bargain.
如今的战场在哪里 大兵 Where's the modern battlefield, soldier?
无处不在 Everywhere.
打这场仗的首要原则是什么 What's the first rule of battle?
永远不要暴露你的位置 Never reveal your position.
那要是被一个非授权人员发现了呢 And if one unauthorized person knew?
如果国会发现了呢 If Congress knew?
那敌人也会知道 So would the enemy.
斯诺登先生 当今的世界就是这样 That, Mr. Snowden, is the state of the world.
保密即是安全 安全即是胜利 Secrecy is security, and security is victory.
谢谢 先生 Thank you, sir.
我想让你见一个人 Someone I want you to meet.
- 真是打猎的好日子啊 - 天气很好 - Beautiful day for it, wasn't it? - Perfect weather.
- 洛厄尔先生 - 吉姆 - Mr. Lowell. - Jim.
- 你好啊 - 多里安 - How are you? - Dorian.
- 艾伦 - 你好啊 - Alan. - Nice to see you.
欢迎来美国 Welcome to the U.S.
今天有什么收获吗 科尔宾 How'd you make out today, Corbin?
一般般 不像爱德收获颇丰 Uh, very mediocre. Nothing like Ed here.
显然我们部队的训练 让士兵枪法很准 Apparently the Army's training people to shoot straight.
这位就是爱德华·斯诺登 So this is Ed Snowden.
是的 长官 见到你很荣幸 Yes, sir. Pleasure to meet you.
- "史诗避难所"的发明人 - 没错 - The brains behind Epic Shelter. - That's right.
- 很棒的软件 - 谢谢 长官 - That's brilliant work. - Thank you, sir.
我有几个问题想问你 Yeah, I had a few questions I wanted to ask you.
吉姆 各位 麻烦能借一步说话吗 Uh, Jim. Will you excuse me, gentlemen?
- 抱歉 艾伦 - 很高兴见到你 - Excuse me, Alan. - Nice to meet you.
这对我们的无人机项目很有用 Yeah, it's proving very useful to our UAV program.
是啊 我听说了 国外站点的情报转移 Yes, I heard. With foreign site Intel transfer.
现在是一收集就转移 Transfers happen on collection now.
全称为以色列情报和特殊使命局 与美国中央情报局 英国军情六处 俄罗斯联邦安全局（克格勃）一起 并称为世界四大情报组织
直接送去五角大楼 They go straight to the Pentagon,
需要的话 还要送去摩萨德 Mossad if they need it.
随时行动 没有人知道 Actionable immediately. No one sees it.
这让我们的无人机驾驶员 It's improved the response time
反应时间缩短了十倍 of our drone pilots by a factor of ten.
告诉我 爱德 Tell me, Ed.
你在日本也做过通信情报工作 对吗 You worked signals intelligence in Japan too, yes?
是的 长官 Yes, sir.
你觉得那怎么样 How'd you like it?
那是一份权限很高的工作 长官 It was a very empowering job, sir.
这份在夏威夷的新工作 能给予你更高权限 With this new job in Hawaii, you'd have even more access.
我让科尔宾作牵线人 I asked Corbin to start the conversation.
不过这份工作是我提供的 But the offer is mine.
好好考虑一下 Take your time.
还得有好几个月 It's going to take a few months
这个项目才会落实 to get this program on its feet.
那我就先走一步了 先生们 我看到晚餐了 If you'll excuse me, gentlemen, I see dinner.
- 要喝啤酒吗 先生 - 谢谢你 - Beer, sir? - Thank you.
- 先生 您要吗 - 不 谢谢了 - Sir, for you? - Uh, no, thank you.
"史诗庇护所"应该是个备份程序 Epic Shelter was meant as a backup program.
洛厄尔给了你一个大好机会 爱德 Lowell is creating this position for you, Ed.
位于美国马里兰州 是美国国家安全局总部所在地
你将是第一个在米德堡外 You'd be the first contractor outside Fort Meade
从事网络防御的承包人 working counter-cyber.
这是你成功的好机会 It's your ticket to the top.
你相信美国是世界上 Do you believe the United States
最伟大的国家吗 is the greatest country in the world?
是的 Yes.
你有过在未经授权的情况下 Have you ever used
使用一些程序吗 any programs you were unauthorized for?
没有 No.
我们一般不该提交自己的作品 We're not usually supposed to submit our own work,
但我的编辑说她可以破一次例 but my editor said she'd make an exception.
很棒吧 Pretty neat, huh?
我得去提交文件了 I get to submit an entry.
你是在故意无视我 还是什么 You ignoring me on purpose, or what?
不是 抱歉 该死... No. Sorry. Shit. Uh...
我刚刚在想事情 I was just thinking.
想什么 About what?
我本想在晚饭时 告诉你的 I wanted to talk to you about it at dinner,
但我们就... 你能坐过来吗 but let's just... Will you come sit down?
没出什么事吧 Is everything okay?
没有 Yeah.
那个 国家安全局的副局长 The, uh, Deputy Director of the NSA...
他给了我一个新工作 He offered me a new position.
其实 已经有段时间了 And, uh, that was a while back,
现在他们想要我的答复 and now they need an answer.
那么 你想要这份工作吗 Well, is it something you want to do?
是我擅长的领域 I'd be good at it.
你能告诉我一些具体的情况吗 Can you tell me anything about it?
你知道我不能 You know I can't.
我知道 工作第一 I know. Mission first.
那有什么福利吗 参加白宫典礼 Well, are there social perks? White House galas, maybe?
那份工作在夏威夷 The position is in Hawaii.
我们付出了很多 才到今天这一步 We worked really hard to get where we're at.
你想再一次从零开始吗 And you're willing to just rip it all up again?
我们终于有了一套喜欢的房子 Like we finally have a house that we love,
我喜欢的工作 还有些好朋友 and a job that I like, and real friends,
我们很接近一个真正的家庭了 and we're close to our families.
我知道 I... I understand.
如果你想要留下来 那我们就留下来 And if you want to stay, then we're staying.
就这么定 That's it.
不要因为我想听 你才这么说 Don't just say that 'cause I wanna hear it.
我没有 I'm not.
我让你离开过一次 不会再有第二次了 I let you go once, I'm not gonna do it again.
该死 抱歉 意大利面 Shit. I'm sorry. The pasta.
它要... 等我一下 It's gonna... One sec.
我觉得这次煮的面 You know, I think I actually came pretty close
很接近完美了 to getting it right this time.
我去拿些蜡烛 I'll get some candles.
我的天哪 爱德 爱德 爱德 Oh, my God! Ed! Ed! Ed!
一种常见精神性药物
我知道卡马西平 I know Tegretol.
它会让你反应迟缓 我看过我妈妈服用 I know it slows you down, 'cause I've seen it in my mom.
她一辈子都在吃各种各样的药 She's taken all kinds of medications her whole life.
这药有七成把握能管用 Well, they work in 70% of cases.
爱德 癫痫是种很严重的症状 Ed, epilepsy is a serious condition.
如果你正在开车 If you have a seizure driving yourself,
或者车里有其他人 or with someone else in the car,
或者是很高的地方 发病了 or you're in a place where you could fall,
这可不容小视 this is not something to be lightly regarded.
你必须时刻提醒自己吃药 It's essential you commit yourself to this medication.
好吗 Okay?
好的 Yeah.
- 你先进去 - 谢谢 - After you. - Oh, thank you.
我在想医生说的话 I've been thinking about what the doctor said.
要减轻压力 About less stress.
更为温暖的气候应该有帮助 A warmer climate could help.
如果我们都觉得在夏威夷工作 If Hawaii is something that we decide
对你来说更好 那我就去 would be better for you, I'll go.
香 港 2 0 1 3 年 6 月 5 日 周 三
亚尼内 和白宫的谈话怎么样了 Janine, how'd the White House conversation go?
我很明确地表示了 I made it quite clear
我们确实有FISA法庭的指令 that we were in possession of an authentic FISA court order.
他们想看一眼 我拒绝了 They wanted to see it. We refused.
现在我只能期望那是真的 Now I just pray that it's actually authentic.
你还在质疑那个吗 Are you actually questioning that?
格伦 没人见过FISA法庭的指令 Glenn, no one has ever seen a FISA court order.
没有过先例 There's no precedent here.
我们的线人冒着生命危险 Our source risked his life
拿到了那些文件 都是真的 for that document. It's real.
告诉我们 白宫有没有以国家安全的名义 Tell us, did the White House make any specific claims
提出任何特殊的主张 不允许你公开发表 about national security that would prevent you from publishing?
没有 我反复问了他们很多次 No. I asked them repeatedly,
没有任何实质性的答复 and they had no substantive answer.
那就发表啊 你还想要什么 Then, there you go! What more do you want?
你可以安心发布了 You can go out and know that you're safe.
格伦 在继续前 我想跟艾伦先谈谈 Glenn, I'd like to talk to Alan before we go any further.
他什么时候下飞机 When does he land?
再过六个小时 In six hours.
不 绝对不行 亚尼内 我们已经是活靶子了 No. Absolutely not! We're sitting ducks here, Janine.
现在这里是纽约时间下午一点 It's 1:00 p.m. in New York.
如果你不在四个小时内发布 If you don't get this out in the next four hours,
就错过了东海岸的晚间新闻时段 you'll miss the evening news on the East Coast.
但是我们可以今晚发布啊 But we can post later tonight.
我很抱歉 格伦 I'm sorry, Glenn.
但艾伦是我们的总编辑 我真得觉得... But Alan's our editor-in-chief, and I really think that...
胡扯 政府已经知道我们有这些文件了 Bullshit! The government knows that we have these documents now.
中情局的人 The CIA could barge through
随时都会破门而入 而你还想拖着 this door any minute, and you want more time!
有点记者的样子 不要再哄我们了 Act like a fucking journalist and stop stringing us along!
我刚刚跟白宫对着干 I just stood my ground with the goddamn White House!
我也在拿我的职业生涯冒险 I've risked my career!
你怎么可以质疑我对这个报道的投入 How dare you question my commitment to this story!
好了 我们小声点... Okay, let's just keep our voices down...
不 你说得对 我是在质疑你 No, you're right. I am questioning it.
这一点都不合适 This is absolutely inappropriate.
我们自己公布 没你的事了 We are publishing ourselves. You're out.
行吧 格伦 All right, Glenn.
我们在下午四点发布 We'll have it ready by 4:00 p.m.
- 我还得再审查一遍这个报道 - 为什么 - I have to go over the story once more - Why?
因为这还需要一些改动 蠢货 Because it still needs editing, damn you.
那些该死的情报术语快把我们弄疯了 All this fucking intelligence jargon is hurting our brains.
这个"棱镜计划"的故事还是让人费解 This PRISM story is still incomprehensible.
"棱镜计划"是第二个故事 亚尼内 PRISM is the second story, Janine.
威瑞森电信是由美国两家原地区贝尔运营公司 大西洋贝尔和Nynex合并建立BellAtlantic后 与独立电话公司GTE合并而成的 正式合并后 威瑞森一举成为美国最大的本地电话公司 最大的无线通信公司 全世界最大的印刷黄页和在线黄页信息的提供商
威瑞森才是第一个 Verizon is the first story.
下午四点前准备好发布 最晚不能超过五点 Have it ready to post by 4:00 p.m., 5:00 at the latest.
没开玩笑 不然我们就不干了 No games, or we're gone.
'隧 道' 国 家 安 全 局 行 动 中 心 夏 威 夷 欧 胡 岛 2 0 1 2 年
那么 我的新工作就是在国家安全局的 So, my new job was counter-spying
欧胡岛密码中心分局 on the Chinese at
针对中国进行反间谍行动 the NSA Regional Cryptological Center on Oahu.
先生 请把你的包放在那里 You mind placing your bag down there, sir?
确定没有携带个人电脑 U盘 手机 No personal laptops, no USB sticks, no cell phones,
或者各种电子设备 no electronic devices of any kind?
没有 长官 No, sir.
谢谢 Thank you.
白雪公主 是你吗 Snow White! Is that you?
加布里埃尔 Gabriel?
兄弟 你在这里干什么 Dude, what the hell are you doing here? Wow!
太神奇了 That's amazing.
伙计 Oh, man.
你是在这里工作吗 What, do you work here?
是啊 已经 三年 两个月 零五天了 Yeah, yeah. Uh, three years, two months, and five days.
- 谁还这么算啊 - 是啊 - But who's counting, right? - Yeah.
谁会想到一个秘密的二战地下基地 It's like who knew a secret underground World War II-era base
会变成上千极客们的天堂啊 对吧 would become munchie heaven for a thousand geeks, right?
- 这里有好吃的披萨 - 没错 有啊 - So there's good pizza? - Good pizza, yeah.
那点很重要 That's important.
不过电梯慢得要死 Elevator's slow as shit, though.
天哪 Jesus.
这跟以前的地方不一样 对吧 It's something else, huh?
对啊 那你在哪个部门工作 Yeah. So, uh, what deck are you working on?
你在威胁管控中心还是远程行动中心 You NTOC or ROC?
说实话 威胁管控中心 Between you and me? NTOC.
好棒 你要去黑那些黑客了 Cool. You get to hack the hackers.
你要飞黄腾达了 You're coming up in the world.
给你带新人来了 特雷弗 Fresh brains for you, Trevor.
特雷弗·詹姆斯 交互式对战部门主管 Trevor James, Interactive Ops Division Chief.
爱德华·斯诺登 Ed Snowden.
我已经听说了 隔壁就是威胁管控中心 I've been briefed. Next door is NTOC.
防御部门 你要工作的地方 Defense. That's where you'll be working.
这边是远程行动中心 我们的攻击部门 Over here we have ROC, our offense.
我现在是两边跑 我们管理严格 斯诺登 Now I move between the two. We run a tight ship here, Snowden.
好的 长官 Yes, sir.
你会和海恩斯一起工作 You'll be working with Haynes.
你好 帕特里克·海恩斯 Hey. Patrick Haynes.
- 很高兴见到你 - 我也是 - Hey. Nice to meet you. - Good to have you.
你小心点他 You watch out for him.
他可是这栋楼里最聪明的家伙 That's the smartest guy in the building right here.
算了吧 Come on.
你会多少门语言来着 哥们 Bro, how many languages you speak, again?
七种代码 六种口语 两种手语 I mean, seven in code, six spoken, two signs.
棒呆了 That's cool.
我 会 一 些 美 国 手 语
那 可 真 好
真好 又是种我不会的语言 Great. Another language I can't understand.
回头再找你 爱德 Uh, I'll check you later, Ed.
好的 再见 Okay. See you.
等一下 Wait for it.
随时 Any moment.
我们成功了 We got 'em.
照亮瓦济里斯坦了 先生们 Lights over Waziristan, gentlemen.
就该这样 Way to go.
那我们到底做了什么贡献 So what exactly do we contribute to this?
收割者无人机的下面 The underside of that Reaper drone
固定了一个很大的天线 is fixed with a big-ass antenna,
搜寻所有能发出信号的硬件识别号 snarfing the hardware ID of anything that broadcasts.
我们做定位 We do the geolocator.
我们这位空军朋友 塔莎 My friend Tasha here at the Air Force
发射地狱火导弹 这就是她 rains hellfire. There she is now.
特雷弗 你们觉得表演怎么样 Hey, Trev. You likin' the show?
你知道的 我们定位 你来炸 You know it. We track 'em, you whack 'em.
我们刚刚追踪的是谁 And who did we just track?
不是谁 是什么 Not who, what.
我们追踪坏蛋们的手机 有时候是SIM卡 We're targeting bad guys' cell phones. Sometimes the SIM card.
好吧 那我们怎么知道 Okay, and how do we know the bad guy
发动攻击的时候 is in possession of the bad cell phone
手机是在坏人手里的 when we strike?
我们不知道... Well, we don't...
是美国军方高度保密的单位 由常设特遣部队和特种行动部队组成的特殊部门 在全球反恐战争中对所有的区域作战指挥官和联合任务部队进行支援
当然知道了 Course we do.
联合特种作战司令部和中情局有人在现场呢 JSOC and CIA have their people in the field.
这个程序叫什么名字 What's the program name?
"史诗避难所" Epic Shelter.
最开始这只是某种备份程序 以防... It was originally some backup program for, um...
灾难性的站点故障 Catastrophic site failure.
对 你怎么知道的 Yeah. How did you know that?
我编的 I built it.
- 你 - 对 - You? - Yeah.
我其实... 我一直在想... You know I've actually... I've been thinking about, uh,
"史诗避难所"的另一个用途 another use for Epic Shelter.
你怎么想的 What'd you have in mind?
嗯 我和吉姆·洛厄尔聊过 Well, I was chatting with Jim Lowell
关于有那么多的程序... about how there's so many programs...
副局长洛厄尔 Deputy Director Lowell?
对的 Yeah. Yeah.
我们谈到 现在有这么多软件 And we were saying there's so many programs nowadays,
不太可能把他们都记录下来 对吧 it's kind of impossible to keep track of them anymore, right?
是由一个处理器、与它相关联的数据存储设备以及其他外围设备组成 它被物理地定义到单个位置 系统提供数据处理能力 用户可以在同样的站点上操作 也可以在地理位置隔开的其他站点上通过远程终端来操作 系统及其数据管理被某个或中心站点集中控制
那为什么不建一个集中式数据库呢 So why not create a centralized database?
就像一个索引 Ah. Like an index.
对 没错 一个实时更新的东西 Yeah, exactly. Something that updates in real time,
我们已经用 you know, we've already got
"史诗庇护所"收集了最终情报 Epic Shelter collecting our finished Intel.
我们只需要一个门户网站 We just need a web portal
将情报分类 使其可以检索 to catalogue it, make it searchable.
让我考虑一下吧 Let me think about it.
无论如何 我都要得到米德堡的同意 In any case, I'd have to run it past Fort Meade.
当然 Of course.
你想好名字了吗 Did you have a name?
如果没被占用的话 我想起名叫"心跳" Yeah, if it's not taken, I'd call it Heartbeat.
- "心跳" - 六 五 四 - Heartbeat. - Six, five, four,
三 二 一... three, two, one...
开始进攻 Engage target.
你在那没事吧 You okay down there?
还行 Yep...
看吧 所以我总是说 我们得多爬山 See, this is why I keep saying we need to hike more.
是啊 You're right.
看镜头 好吗 Hey, can you look at me?
来吧 都好几年了 Come on. It's been years.
按照社交媒体的标准 你根本就不存在了 By social media standards, you don't even exist anymore.
就拍一张 Just one.
好吧 笑一笑 露出牙齿 Okay, smile. Show me your teeth!
难捉摸的你 终于被我拍到了 My elusive E, finally captured.
所以我这个男友还行吗 So now I'm a viable boyfriend?
当然 Yes.
真可惜啊 你曾经也是可爱的小嫩模呢 Such a shame, you used to be such a cute little model.
小吗 是啊 Little? Yeah.
- 我很小吗 - 等等 - Was I little? - Wait!
快住手 Stop!
天哪 怎么了 Oh, my God. What?
你被晒黑了 Think you got some sun!
我说真的 看起来很好啊 I'm serious, it looks good!
不可能的 Well, that's impossible.
嘿 我一直想问你 Hey, um, I've been meaning to ask you, by the way.
你是换药房了吗 Did you switch pharmacies?
因为我想帮你去拿药 'Cause I tried to pick up your prescription,
但却拿不到 and I couldn't.
你为什么要拿我的药 Why did you do that?
因为我当时在那 想着可以帮帮你 Uh, because I was there and thought it would be helpful.
我已经停用卡马西平了 I stopped taking the Tegretol.
什么 什么时候 What? When?
几个月前 A couple months ago.
而你现在才告诉我 And you're just now telling me?
我想告诉你 I wanted to tell you.
真的 只是... I did, I just...
我不能吃那药 会让我头昏眼花 I can't take that stuff, it makes me groggy,
我的工作必须保持清醒 and I need to be sharp for work.
时时刻刻都全神贯注 I need to be on the ball all the time.
这到底是什么破工作 What is it about this fucking job
比你的命还重要 that makes it more important than your life?
我真不明白 I don't understand.
我们的政府... Our government...
我们的政府 怎么了 Our government, what?
我们的政府 每年因中国的黑客 Our government is hemorrhaging billions of dollars
损失上亿美元 every year to Chinese hackers.
我一直被雇佣来干掉他们 And I've been hired to shut them down.
很多人都在指望着我 A lot of people are depending on me.
其他人不行吗 More so than anyone else?
是的 Yes.
不 这根本就是胡扯 No, this is bullshit.
我们来夏威夷 不是给你治疗的 对吧 We didn't come to Hawaii for you to heal, did we?
永远都不会有压力小的工作 There was never gonna be a less stressful job out here.
听着 我真的不得不这么做 Look, I feel like I'm made to do this.
如果我不做 不知道还有谁能胜任 And if I don't do it, then I don't know anybody else that can.
我就像发射的导弹 没办法回头了 It's like I'm on a trajectory that I can't turn back from.
你总是可以回头的 You can always turn back.
我想知道的是 What I wanted to see
你能否明确地回答我"有"或"没有" is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question,
"国家安全局是否收集了 "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all
数百万或数亿美国人的任何数据" on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"
没有 长官 No, sir.
没有吗 It does not?
并非有意的 Not wittingly.
在某些情况下 他们也许会 There are cases where they could inadvertently,
无意中收集到 perhaps, uh, collect,
但并非是有意的 but not wittingly.
真的吗 Oh, really?
谢谢 我会就这一点 Thank you, and I'll have additional questions
提出附加问题 以书面的形式给你 to give you in writing on that point.
好吧 Okay, so, uh,
我要展示给你们的是 what I wanted to show you guys is, um,
在编写这个索引程序时 无意中发现的幻灯片 the slide I ran across while building this indexing program.
这是什么 And what is this?
这是三月份的数据收集 Okay. So, this is data collection
全世界范围内的 for the month of March
电子邮件及网络电话 worldwide, emails and Skype calls.
法国 七千万 德国 五亿 巴西 二十亿 So France, 70 million. Germany, 500 million. Brazil, two billion.
美国境内 Inside the U.S.,
共三十一亿邮件及通话记录 3.1 billion emails and calls.
其中不包括任何电信公司的数据 That's not including any of the telecom company data.
好吧 那俄罗斯的数据收集是多少 Okay, so what's the collection in Russia?
十五亿 Russia is 1.5 billion.
等等 所以美国收集到的数据 Wait, so we're collecting twice as much
是俄罗斯的两倍 in the U.S. as we are in Russia?
是啊 很多的数据 但... Yeah, I figured it was a lot, but...
这简直一发不可收拾啊 This shit is out of hand, man.
等等 你给别人看了吗 Wait. Have you shown this to anyone else?
没有 你们是第一批 No, you guys are the first.
是啊 我一直对此格外小心 Yeah, yeah, you know, I'd be careful about that.
你这似乎是在自找麻烦 You know, it could seem like you're rocking the boat.
是啊 你说得对 Yeah, you're right.
我只是... 我需要确定 No, I just, uh, I needed to know
是不是只有我一个人觉得 这很疯狂 if I was the only one that thought this was crazy.
发生什么事了 What the fuck's going on?
嗨 特雷弗 Hey, Trev.
你们在这做什么呢 What are you doing in here?
没什么 我只是在展示给他们 It's nothing. I was just showing them
这张幻灯片 我需要一些数据 this one slide, I needed some input.
以特殊高亮的形式显示访客热衷的页面区域和访客所在的地理区
为什么是热图 Why the heat map?
特雷弗 是我不好 It's my bad, Trev.
我跟爱德打赌 我们正在收集的数据中 I made a bet with Ed about which country
哪个国家的来源最多 we were collecting the most signals from.
他说是伊朗 我说是巴基斯坦 He said Iran, I said Pakistan.
谁赢了 Who won?
爱德 Ed.
是啊 我该走了 再见 Yeah, I need to head out. I'll see you guys.
下次你输定了 You're going down next time, man.
好吧 Yeah, okay.
不准再赌了 No more bets.
我不希望任何未经授权的人再来这里 And I don't want anyone unauthorized in here again.
尤其是跟"心跳"无关的 Especially not with Heartbeat.
是的 绝不会再发生了 You're right. Won't happen again.
生日快乐 Happy birthday!
在拉斯维加斯 监控着阿富汗 ...in Vegas, looking at Afghanistan.
所以我们经常要熬夜 So we're running late hours.
一个模糊的目标 缓慢进入了攻击区域 So this blurry object comes wandering into the strike zone.
我们都知道 那只是个孩子 We all knew that it was a kid.
噗 Poof
他就消失了 He's gone.
我们要求说明 但返回的报告说 We called in for clarification, and the report came back
那只是一条狗 that it was a dog.
好吧 Okay. Fine.
轮班很漫长 从早到晚 根本记不清了 Shift's long, day and night. I don't remember.
但两三天后 同一个村庄 But same village, two, three days later.
举行了葬礼 We see the funeral party.
我们很清楚 是为了那孩子举行的 We knew it was a kid that they were burying.
他的父母痛哭流涕 Moms and dads wailing.
随后紧着一道命令 说得很清楚 开火 And then the order comes down. Pretty clear. Hit 'em.
噗 Poof
他们消失在了尘埃中 And they are gone in a cloud of dust.
所有人 整个家庭 I mean, all of them. The whole fuckin' family.
但最疯狂的是 But the crazy thing is,
你下班回家 you come home after work,
亲吻了你的妻子 孩子们 第二天又去上班 kiss your wife, your kids, back to work the next day.
很快 就变成了例行公事 Pretty soon, you know, it just all becomes routine.
该死 Fuck that.
你说得跟犯罪一样 老兄 You make it sound criminal, man.
可这是战争 是我们的工作 It's war. It's a job.
哥们 我不知道啊 Oh, I don't know, man.
你是说工作就不能是犯罪吗 You saying jobs can't be criminal?
除非你为政府做事 Not if you're working for the government.
也称欧洲国际军事法庭 由第二次世界大战战胜国对欧洲轴心国的军事、政治和经济领袖进行的军事审判 由于审判主要在德国纽伦堡进行 故总称纽伦堡审判
特雷弗 你听说过纽伦堡审判吗 You ever hear about the Nuremberg trials, Trev?
其实也没过去多久 They weren't that long ago.
当然 我们绞死了纳粹党的大头目 对吧 Yeah. And we hung the Nazi big shots, right?
是啊 大头目都是在一审中被处死的 Yeah, well, the big shots were the first trial,
之后审判的 就是那些法官 but then the next trial were just the judges,
律师 警察 保安 and lawyers, and policemen, and guards,
以及安守本分 奉命行事的普通人 and ordinary people just doing their jobs, following orders.
是确定哪些行为构成战争罪的一系列指导性原则 一共有七条 其中第四条指出"依据政府或其上级命令行事的人 假如他能够进行道德选择 就不能免除其国际法上的责任"
也正因此 我们制定了纽伦堡原则 That's where we got the Nuremberg principles,
随后联合国将其编纂为国际法 which then the UN made into international law,
以防止普通工作再次变成犯罪 just in case ordinary jobs become criminal again.
随便说说而已 Just sayin'.
看吧 我让你别抓我的手 See, I told you not to grab my hand.
不准再碰我了 ...fucking touch me anymore.
兄弟 你还好吗 天哪 Dude! Dude, are you okay? On, my God.
爱德 你还好吗 Ed, are you okay?
你还好吗 我觉得他... Are you okay, man? I think he's having a...
让开 别碰他 Get away, don't touch him.
- 别碰他 都别碰他 - 别... - Don't touch him, don't touch him. - Don't...
嘿 爱德 你还好吗 身体没事吧 Hey, Ed. How are you? How's your health?
嘿 科尔宾... Hey, Corbin. Uh...
我没事 谢谢关心 It's fine. Thanks for asking.
在那样的环境中 脑力消耗很大吧 Must be nerve-wrecking living with that condition.
看看这些数字 你还不知道吧 You wouldn't know it to look at your numbers.
你任职的前四个月 Two hundred Chinese IPs down
封杀了两百个中国的IP地址 in your first four months.
那些是内部数据 Those are, uh, internal numbers.
你的同事特雷弗和你一样 也是中情局出身 Your colleague, Trevor, comes out of the CIA like you.
他一直在向我报告你的最新进展 He's been, uh, keeping me informed on your progress.
真的非常了不起 "心跳"也很棒 It's outstanding work. Heartbeat as well.
谢谢 非常感谢 您的认可非常重要 Thank you. Thanks. That means a lot.
洛厄尔也非常高兴 他托我问候你 Lowell is very pleased. He, uh, sends his regards.
这么说 我很开心 That's great to hear.
他... He, um...
他不知道你和同事们对"热图"的讨论 He doesn't know about your heat map conversations,
或者你对同事们表达的一些想法 or some of the ideas you've expressed to your colleagues.
以后也不会知道 And he's not going to.
是啊... Yeah. Uh...
"心跳"是个棘手的项目 You know, Heartbeat is proving a tricky project.
要对照多个机构的数据 Collating from multiple agencies,
还要知道这些数据从哪来的 and knowing where to pull from.
跟同事们讨论会很有帮助 It has helped to talk it over with colleagues.
我相信你 爱德 I believe in you, Ed.
这也是日内瓦事件后 你仍安然无恙的原因 Which is why nothing happened to you after the derog in Geneva.
我很感激你一直在照顾我 And I'm very grateful you've looked out for me.
上次测谎 Or after you, uh,
你隐瞒了真相 也依旧平安无事 omitted the truth in your last polygraph.
你到底在隐瞒些什么 What was it you were withholding exactly?
你还记得 那天在课上 You remember that day in class,
你和我们在讨论FISA法庭吗 you were talking to us about the FISA Court?
你说 他们批准了布什的窃听计划 You said that they approved Bush's wiretapping programs.
有时候我们受限 不能说出全部真相 Sometimes we're restricted from telling the whole truth.
但这不代表我们能说谎 Doesn't give us permission to lie.
算了吧 科尔宾 Come on, Corbin,
国家情报局局长对国会说谎了 the Director of National Intelligence just lied to Congress!
抱歉 Sorry.
看着我 Look at me.
在我不知情的情况下 你是否未经授权 Did you access an unauthorized program
就使用了程序 that I did not know about?
是的 Yes.
是... It was, uh...
当时是在日内瓦 因为林赛 It was at Geneva. It was Lindsay.
我当时吃醋了 I was jealous.
真的很抱歉 我只做过一次 And I'm sorry. I never did it again.
听着 爱德 Listen, Ed.
我知道自从日内瓦后 你和林赛经历了很多 I know it's been up and down with you and Lindsay since Geneva.
维持一段感情并非易事 很少有人能做到 It's tough to keep any relationship going. Few of us do.
所以 如果这能让你心安 我向你保证 So, if it'll give you any peace of mind, I can assure you,
她与那位摄影师朋友没发生过什么 she's not sleeping with that photographer friend of hers.
如果那是你在烦恼的东西 If that's what you're thinking.
几周后 我要去悉尼参加 I have to go to a Five Eyes conference
由美国、英国、加拿大、澳大利亚及新西兰组成的遍布全球的情报网络联盟 受《联合王国-美利坚合众国协议》（UKUSA Agreement）约束
"五只眼"情报联盟会议 in Sydney in a couple of weeks.
回程时 会途经夏威夷 I'll stop off in Hawaii on the way back.
好吗 Okay?
好的 谢谢你 Okay. Thank you.
很快会再见面的 I'll see you soon.
爸爸 Hey, Dad.
好的 你收到我发给你的 带照片的邮件了吗 Good. Did you get the e-mail that I sent you with the photos?
我希望你能删掉... Well, I was hoping that you could delete...
你干什么呢 What are you doing?
坐吧 Sit down.
你的电子邮件被监控了 Your e-mail is being monitored.
所以呢 So?
不 现在形势不同了 No, it's different now.
不再是被动收集了 而是全面监控 It's not passive collection, it's full-take surveillance.
你的电子邮件 电话 短信 It's all of your e-mails, calls, texts,
社交媒体 一切都被监控了 social media, everything.
甚至连房子也有可能被窃听了 It's also possible that the house is bugged.
我不确定 I'm not sure.
谁监视的 By who?
中情局的一位高级长官 By a senior officer at the CIA.
你惹麻烦了吗 是中国那事吗 You in trouble? Is it the Chinese thing?
听着 我也希望将一切都告诉你 Look, there's things that I wish I could tell you,
但我不能 因为你可能会很危险 but I can't because you could get very hurt.
对你而言 不知情是最好的保护 What's keeping you safe is that you don't know anything.
抱歉 真的 我不想把你扯进去 I'm sorry, I really am. I didn't want any of this for you.
但我知道 你会认为我在做对的事 But I know you would think I was doing the right thing.
听我说一下 好吗 So just listen to me for a sec, okay?
我们回屋后 一切如常 When we go back in the house, everything has to appear normal.
像往常一样 就当什么事都没发生过 We're gonna act like nothing has changed,
但如果你发现有什么不对劲 but if you do notice something that's weird,
一定要马上告诉我 you need to tell me right away.
你要用我给你设置好的 And you're gonna use an
加密电子邮件 encrypted e-mail that I'm setting up for you.
天哪 我可能做不到 Oh, my God, I don't think I can do this.
不 你可以 我知道的 Yes, you can. I know you can.
我还有的选吗 Do I even have a choice?
我在求你相信我 I'm asking you to trust me.
林赛 我想你最好 And, Linds, I think it'd be best
回马里兰待一段时间 if you went back to Maryland for a while.
告诉你的父母 我出差去了 Tell your parents that I'm away on a business trip
而你想家了 and that you're homesick.
你要走吗 Are you going away?
没错 但只是暂时的 Yes. But just for a little while.
不 No.
不 我不能走 No, I can't go.
求你了 走吧 直到我回来 Please. Just until I get back.
我不能走 I can't go.
你刚刚说 我们得像什么事都没发生过 You just said that we have to appear like nothing's changed.
如果我们两个同时不见了 If both of us left at the same time,
难道不可疑吗 wouldn't that seem suspicious?
我会为你离开这 I will do this for you.
但这是最后一次 But it is the last time.
我们在商场见 就在美丽华酒店对面 两周后的周一 我会拿一个魔方 再详谈
劳拉·珀特阿斯
嘿 你听说了特雷弗吗 兄弟 Yo! Yo, you hear about Trevor, bro?
没有 怎么了 No, what?
你记得那场控制叙利亚互联网的行动吗 You remember that op to own the Internet in Syria?
- 记得 - 对 - Yeah. - Yeah.
特雷弗和他的获取特定情报行动小组 Trevor and his TAO team
捣毁了核心路由器 crashed the core router.
兄弟 整个城市都断网了 Bro, the whole country's gone dark.
天哪 Jesus Christ.
弄明白 Figure it out!
可怜啊 Poor bastards.
好吧 我得... 我得回去工作了 Okay, I'm gonna, uh... I gotta get to work.
是啊 我也是 Yeah. Yeah, me too.
爱德 那个... So, Ed, how's, uh...
"心跳"怎么样了 How's Heartbeat coming?
快了 It's close.
就快了 It's very close.
从这台监视器调出来 Pull it up on this monitor.
我还在尝试访问... I'm still trying to access...
别告诉我 你也参与其中了 Don't tell me you're involved in this, too?
特雷弗说服我 Well, Trevor fucking roped me
又叫零时差攻击 是指被发现后立即被恶意利用的安全漏洞 通俗地讲 即安全补丁与瑕疵曝光的同一日内 相关的恶意程序就出现
仔细检查他的零日漏洞代码 into going through their zero-day exploit codes.
这玩意简直一团乱 伙计 This thing is a fucking mess, man.
- 我为什么要答应他 - 祝你好运 - Why did I agree to this? - Good luck.
你要做的就是... What you're gonna do is you're gonna...
我告诉他了... 帮帮他 I told him, I... Help them.
国内监控 错误的证据 违背宪法 FISA修正案(FAA) 行政命令 国家情报计划概要 总统的政策指令(PPD) 国家安全局大量监控项目 国家安全局计划主题
好吧 回去工作 伙计们 Okay. Get back to work, guys.
不 帕特里克 给我看 No, Patrick, show me.
还真是把我坑死了 Talk about getting hung out to dry.
嗯 我们搞定了吗 Yeah. Are we set?
海军来找麻烦了吗 Trouble with the Navy?
有个蠢货抄了几行以色列人写的代码 One of those idiots ripped some bullshit piece of Israeli code
然后强加到我们的病毒里 太扯淡了 and jammed it down our payload. Can you fucking believe that?
贬义词 用来描述以"黑客"自居并沾沾自喜的初学者
脚本小子 Script kiddies.
我知道 我本该听你的 I know, I know. I should have listened to you.
该死 是这个吗 God damn it. Is this it?
这个 没错 是这个 Here. Yeah, this is it.
我要让该死的以色列人来负责 I'm gonna make the goddamn Israelis take the fall for this.
快点 Come on.
- 搞定了吗 - 我是不会背这个锅的 - Got it? - I'm not taking the fall for this.
帕特里克 Patrick.
还在想办法 特雷弗 等一下 Still working on it, Trev. Hold on.
没用 还是没用 Nothing. Still nothing.
我 可 能 再 也 见 不 到 你 了
你 要 把 我 抛 下
和 美 国 队 长 在 一 起
非 常 感 谢
是的 但... Yeah, but...
国 家 安 全 局 可 能 会 来 找 你
我 不 知 道 你 在 说 什 么
你要回家了吗 You, uh... You headed home already?
对 我不太舒服 Yeah. I'm not feeling so well.
明天可能也不会来了 Might not be in tomorrow either.
特雷弗有点忙 You know, Trevor's kind of busy,
你可以替我请个假吗 maybe you could let him know for me?
好的 伙计 非常乐意 Yeah. Yeah, man. It'd be my pleasure.
如果你... You know, if you're, uh...
如果你真的不太舒服 也许你该 If you're really not feeling well, dude, maybe you should, uh,
回美国 看看医生 go back to the States and see your doctor.
我觉得大家都会理解的 I think that, you know, folks would understand that.
听起来是个好主意 That sounds like a smart thing.
你自己小心 Take care of yourself.
你也是 伙计 Yeah, you too, bro.
- 嘿 - 嘿 - Hey. - Hey.
你玩过这个吗 You ever play with one of these?
我小时候玩过 Yeah, when I was a kid.
你应该试试 很难 Yeah. You should try it. It's hard.
我可玩不好 I can't figure this out.
我一窍不通 I don't know about this.
其实你得先完成十字 Yeah, you gotta start with the white cross, actually,
然后再搞定八个角 and then you do the corners.
伙计 Oh, man.
听着 我喜欢这些东西 Look, I love these things.
周末愉快 伙计 Hey, have a good weekend, man.
- 你们也是 伙计 - 好吧 - You too, buddy. - All right.
有了 It's live.
香 港 2 0 1 3 年 6 月 5 日 周 三
有一个链接 内容是FISA法院指令 There's a link to the FISA court order.
干得好 亚尼内 Well done, Janine.
我跟你说了 她不太好搞定 I told you she wasn't a pushover.
做错事的感觉真好啊 Well, it feels so goddamn good to be wrong.
披露:美国国家安全局收集数百万美国人日常通话记录
今晚大新闻 通过一份机密的法院指令 Breaking news tonight. Reports that through a secret court order,
奥巴马政府正在收集数百万 the Obama administration is collecting the phone records
威瑞森客户的通话记录 of millions of Verizon customers.
由英国《卫报》进行报道 That's been reported by the Guardian newspaper in the U.K.
这份特殊的法院指令显示 The specific court order shows
所有的信息 that all the information
都将流入美国国家安全局 is going to the National Security Agency.
这个主流媒体怎么样 格伦 How's that for mainstream media, Glenn?
他们现在不能插手了 They can't shut this down now.
我们又多了四天的时间 And we've got four more days of it.
他们不知道还有什么料在等着 They have no idea what they're in store for.
太棒了 That's fantastic!
白宫前发言人 ...former Speaker of the
今晚将和我们一起聊聊此事 House is on the grill tonight and joins me now.
又一则爆炸新闻 Another explosive article has just appeared,
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这次在《华盛顿邮报》 this time in The Washington Post.
此爆炸新闻揭露 It's breaking news that it reveals
其他大量且秘密的美国政府监视软件 another broad and secret U.S. Government surveillance program.
利用大量秘密软件 美国 英国情报数据挖掘来自九家美国网络公司
《华盛顿邮报》和伦敦的《卫报》报道 The Washington Post and the Guardian in London reporting
国家情报局和联邦调查局 that the NSA and the FBI
直接进入九家主要互联网公司的 are tapping directly into the central servers
中央服务器 of nine leading Internet companies,
包括微软 雅虎 谷歌 Fackbook including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook,
美国在线 网络电话 YouTube和苹果 AOL, Skype, YouTube, and Apple.
《华盛顿邮报》称他们正在获取音频 The Post says they're extracting audio,
录像 照片 电子邮件 文件 video, photographs, e-mails, documents,
和联络日志 and connection logs
以此来分析并追踪一个人的行踪 that enable analysts to track a person's movements
和联络人 and contacts over time.
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理论上来说 你可以抱怨政府 In the abstract, you can complain about Big Brother
奥巴马要求美国为网络攻击起草海外目标名单
以及这个潜在的软件怎么能胡作非为 and how this is a potential program run amok.
但当你真得了解细节 But when you actually look at the details,
我认为我们已经达到了权利的平衡 then I think we've struck the right balance.
美国总统巴拉克·奥巴马坚定地维护 U.S. President Barack Obama staunchly defends
美国政府的程序 U.S. Government programs,
坚持认为i这些程序是有严格的管理控制 insisting that they were conducted with broad safeguards
禁止滥用 and to protect against abuse.
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他得出了结论 这个秘密机构中 He reached the conclusion that what was happening
所存在的东西 inside this really secretive agency
无界告密者: 美国国家安全局的秘密工具 用来追踪全球监控数据
不仅仅是在美国 uh, was very threatening and menacing
而是遍布全世界 to privacy rights, to Internet freedom,
对隐私权 对互联网自由 to basic political liberty,
对基本的政治自由 not only in the United States,
构成了巨大的威胁 but all around the world.
他认为作为普通人 揭露一切是他的职责 And he felt it was his duty as a human being to disclose it.
我叫爱德华·斯诺登 二十九岁 Uh, my name's Ed Snowden. I'm 29 years old.
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我在夏威夷 替国家安全局 I work for Booz Allen Hamilton
在博思艾伦汉密尔顿控股公司 as an infrastructure analyst
担任系统基础设施分析专员 for NSA in Hawaii.
你不可能在没有风险的情况下 You can't come forward
自告奋勇 against the most powerful intelligence agencies
和世界上最强大的情报机构对抗 in the world without expecting to have some risk.
他们是很强大的敌人 They're just such powerful adversaries.
所以没人能真正地反抗他们 So no one can meaningfully oppose them.
他做到了 He did it.
如果他们想抓你 随时都能抓到你 You know, if they want to get you, they will get you, in time.
这孩子做到了 The kid did it!
如果他们这种压迫架构的 And it's just gonna get worse for the next generation,
能力继续扩大 as they extend the capabilities
对下一代来说 情况将会更糟 of this sort of architecture of oppression.
而你意识到 只要公众能对事情的来龙去脉 And you realize that you might be willing to accept any risk,
做出自己的判断 as long as the public is able to make their own decision
你就愿意承担任何风险 about how this is applied.
因为就算没有做错任何事 Because even if you haven't done anything wrong,
你也被监控和记录着 you're being watched and recorded.
听着 我曾有权限进入过整个情报体系 Look, I had access to the entire intelligence community.
所以 如果我想对美国不利 So, if I had wanted to harm the U.S.,
只需要一个下午的时间 you could shut down the
就能关闭整个监视系统 entire surveillance system in an afternoon.
但那不是我的意图 But that was never my intention.
我认为任何为此在争论的人 And I think anybody that's making that argument,
他们得想想 如果他们是我 they have to think, if they were in my position,
住在天堂一般的夏威夷 赚很多钱 living in Hawaii, in paradise, and making a ton of money,
要给予你什么 才能让你放弃这一切 what would it take to make you leave everything behind?
对于披露美国的结果 The fear that I think I have most in regards to the outcome
我最害怕的是 for America of these disclosures
什么都不会改变 is that nothing will change.
几个月 几年后 仍然变本加厉 In the coming months and the coming years, it'll just get worse.
而最终 某一刻 And then eventually, at some point,
某位新领导人上台 some new leader will be elected
按下开关 who flips the switch,
到那时 人们就什么都做不了了 and the people won't be able to do anything,
无法反抗了 by that point, to oppose it.
那将是一站式专政了 And it'll be turnkey tyranny.
你还好吧 How you holding up?
我没事 Yeah, I'll be fine.
倒是你们自己 It's you guys that have to start watching out
要开始小心了 for yourselves now.
如果感觉有任何不对 You know, if you have any reason to believe
你们会遭遇任何形式 that you're about to be raided
突袭 或者拦截 攻击 or intercepted or breached in any way,
你们要立即格式化并销毁所有信息 you format and destroy all the data immediately.
你们有加密备份 You have the encrypted backups.
而现在 我... And now, I...
我不再有任何权限 进入这些文档 I no longer have any access to these files myself.
都归你们了 You guys have them all.
专心报道 那才是最重要的 Keep the focus on the stories, that's all that matters.
如果你们不介意 If you'll excuse me, it's...
我们应该都去休息一下 好好利用这段时间 I think we should all get some rest. We can use it.
是啊 我应该躺在一张舒服的床上 Yeah. I should probably lay down on a soft bed
趁着现在还有床 对吧 while I still have one available, right?
- 好好休息 - 谢谢 - You rest well. - Thank you.
- 明天见 - 晚安 - See you tomorrow. - Good night.
至少能告诉我 你要去哪吧 Can you at least tell me where you're going?
听着 我知道我... Listen, I know that I'm...
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埃文 我在二楼 Ewen, I'm on the second floor.
我没看见迪勃 I don't see Tibbo.
不 不 等等 我应该看见他了 No. No, no, wait. Okay. I think I see him.
该死 Shit!
整个酒店都是媒体 There's press swarming all over the hotel.
好 我知道 我会搞定 Yeah, I don't know. I'll figure it out.
我会阻止他们搞成新闻发布会 I'll stop them with a press conference or something.
嗨 我是格伦 听着 我们很感激您能来 Hey, I'm Glenn. Look, we really appreciate this.
我们知道您是香港最好的律师之一 We understand you're one of the best lawyers in Hong Kong.
我们会尽力而为 We'll do our best.
我们会先把他带去英国 We're gonna take him to the UN first,
最好不要暴露 then I prefer not to reveal.
我明白 I understand.
该死 他们发现了 你们快走吧 Shit. They spotted me. You guys get going.
好吧 一个一个来 我会回答你们的问题 Okay, I will take your questions in an orderly fashion.
斯诺登在哪 你知道他在哪吗 Where is Snowden? Do you know where he is?
拜托 让我们知道 Come on, please let us know!
联系到他了吗 Did you get them?
没错 我尽力了 Yeah, this is the best I could do.
你五分钟后要和迪勃见面 You're meeting Tibbo in five minutes,
在大商场对面的天桥上 on the skybridge opposite the large mall.
我这辈子见了很多令人惊叹的人物 I've met a lot of astonishing people in my life,
但是你... but you...
好了 孩子 该走了 Okay, laddie. Off you go.
我不会让你失望的 I won't let you down.
没有摄像机 就不是一个好记者 You'd make a shitty journalist without a camera.
你确定吗 Are you sure?
好吧 真是个好主意 Okay. That's a great idea.
谢谢 Thanks.
你不想落下你的幸运物吧 Oh! You don't want to leave your luck behind.
我希望你能留着 I think I'd like you to have that.
非常感谢 Thanks for everything.
谢谢 Thank you.
我在街上有辆卡车 I have a van on the street.
国家安全局泄密者爱德华·斯诺登 NSA leaker Edward Snowden
现已经被指控 has now been charged formally
间谍 偷盗和转移政府财产 with espionage, theft, and conversion of government property.
美国官方要求香港 U.S. Officials have asked Hong Kong
以暂时逮捕的名义 to detain the former contractor
拘留前承包人 on a provisional arrest warrant.
斯诺登自五月份到达香港... Snowden has been in Hong Kong since May...
记住 据报道在五月二十日 ...remember, that was back reportedly on May 20th.
斯诺登已经在他一直躲藏的 ...Snowden has checked out of the luxury hotel in Hong Kong,
香港的豪华饭店办理了退房 where he had been holed up.
你还是别看了 You might turn your eyes away.
没有美国的逮捕令 ...not likely take action against him
不可能采取行动逮捕他 without an arrest warrant from the U. S.
司法部门不得不找国际刑警组织 这样斯诺登 The Justice Department had to go to Interpol so that Snowden,
如果他想出国 if he tried to cross a border,
就会被拦截并扣留 he could be intercepted and detained.
斯诺登依然藏了起来 Snowden is still in hiding.
再一次... So again...
但美国人就要来了 But the Americans are now closing in.
他们应该知道他在哪 They almost certainly know where he is,
他们只需要香港的批准来逮捕他 they just need Hong Kong's approval to get him.
香港政府确实 The Hong Kong government does have
和华盛顿有引渡协议 an extradition agreement with Washington.
但最终的决定... But the ultimate decision...
所以最重要的问题是 目前他在哪 So the big question here is, where is he now?
谢谢 这是爱德 爱德 这是玛雅娜 Thank you. This is Ed. Ed, Mayana.
- 你好 爱德 欢迎 - 谢谢 - Hi, Ed. Welcome. - Thank you.
谢谢 Thank you.
这些是好人 他们不会泄密的 These are good people. They won't talk.
我处理了他们的案子很多年 他们和你一样 I've been handling their cases for years. They're like you.
太贴心了 That's so nice.
- 他们没有国籍 - 对 - They're stateless. - Yeah.
所以我们在等联合国的难民申请 So we're waiting on the UN application for refugee status.
嗯 Yeah.
以防你被捕了 这个电话能找到我 Just in case you're arrested, this is where you can call me.
好的 Yeah.
很好 Good.
非常感谢 Thank you so much.
你可能感觉不到 爱德 但你不孤单 You may not feel it, Ed, but you're not alone.
谢谢 Thank you.
他的异地女友 林赛·米尔兹 ...his longtime girlfriend, Lindsay Mills,
一名业余摄影家 an amateur photographer,
也没有任何消息 has not been heard from.
可以确定 她已经回到 It's believed she's in seclusion
在马里兰的父母家隐居 in her parents' home in Maryland,
而且已经被联邦调查局审问 and has been questioned by the FBI
并依旧在调查中 and remains under investigation.
十天已经过去了 Ten days have now gone by,
全世界都在找爱德华·斯诺登 as the world looks for Edward Snowden.
谣言称 有富人拥护者将斯诺登 Rumors have surfaced that a rich supporter is hiding Snowden
藏在香港山里的私人宅邸中 somewhere in the Hong Kong hills in a private mansion.
经证实 爱德华·斯诺登 It is now confirmed that Edward Snowden
已经搭乘航班从香港飞往莫斯科 has boarded a flight from Hong Kong to Moscow.
对于香港当局 The State Department is very disappointed
放任斯诺登离开 in the authorities in Hong Kong
美国国务院表示非常失望 for letting Snowden go.
他的身边有维基解密的代表跟随 He was accompanied by a representative from WikiLeaks.
斯诺登正在从俄罗斯飞往古巴 Snowden is trying to make his way from Russia to Cuba,
然后去厄尔多瓜寻求政治庇护 and then to Ecuador for political asylum.
墨西哥官员称 他无法帮斯诺登 Moscow airport officials say he won't be permitted
办理转机 to make his connective flight
因为美国政府已经取消了他的护照 because the U.S. Government has revoked his passport.
美国国务卿约翰·克里 The United States Secretary of State, John Kerry,
谴责俄罗斯拒绝逮捕美国逃犯 outraged that Russia is refusing to arrest the American fugitive.
一个男人在莫斯科机场 没有国家援助 Now a man without a country stranded inside the Moscow airport.
不 我不可能干预航班飞行 No, I'm not gonna be scrambling jets, uh,
来抓一名二十九岁的黑客 to get a 29-year-old hacker.
玻利维亚总统的飞机 The President of Bolivia's plane
今日被迫降落在澳大利亚 was forced down in Austria airspace today
美国怀疑斯诺登可能在飞机上 following U.S. Suspicions that Snowden may have been on board.
在机场宾馆中住了三十九天之后 After 39 days in the airport hotel,
他和他的俄罗斯律师以及维基解密的法律顾问 he's left with his Russian lawyer and a legal advisor
莎拉·哈里森 一同离开了 from WikiLeaks, Sarah Harrison.
他在弗拉基米尔·普京总统的政权下 He can now enjoy all of the sweet, sweet liberty
很享受自由带来的快乐 allowed under the regime of President Vladimir Putin.
还有一样东西叫死刑 There is still a thing called execution.
事实上 斯诺登先生应该得到全球的 Mr. Snowden actually deserves asylum
庇护和保护 and protection around the globe.
但他至少在俄罗斯得到了庇护 But he does have asylum in Russia at least.
他能参与他挑起的辩论了 He can engage in the debate he started.
世界有了一个典范 And the world now has an example
你能做对的事情 that you can do the right thing,
也不必以牢笼 监狱 囚犯而告终 and you don't have to end up in a cage, one room, a prison.
经过了一年的暂时庇护 After more than a year in the country under temporary asylum,
爱德华·斯诺登已经获得了 Edward Snowden has received
一份在俄罗斯居住三年的许可 a three-year residency permit in Russia.
而现在 与莫斯科的连线直播 And now, here live from Moscow,
爱德华·斯诺登 Edward Snowden.
嗨 爱德 你好吗 Hi, Ed. How you doing?
谢谢 Thank you.
如果我有一点不自然 请原谅我 Uh, forgive me if I get my bearings a little bit here.
大家总说我像个机器人 People always said I was kind of a robot.
你怎么会去了俄罗斯 How is it that you came to be in Russia?
我从来没想过会来这 Well, I never intended to come here.
我的护照在去拉丁美洲的路上被吊销了 You know, my passport was revoked en route to Latin America.
所以当人们说"你为什么在俄罗斯" So when people say, "why are you in Russia?"
我会说"问问美国国务院" I say, "ask the State Department."
那句话意味着 你愿意回去接受审判吗 Does that mean you're willing to go back and face trial?
当然 如果那是一场公平 公开的审判 Absolutely, if it was a fair and public trial.
不幸的是 目前那是不可能的 Unfortunately, that's not what would happen right now,
只要反间谍法 as long as the Espionage
还被用来对付揭发者 Act is being used against whistleblowers.
你仍然觉得值得吗 Do you still think it was worth it?
没错 当然 Yes, I do.
没有这些信息来让人们公开辩论 Without the information to start a public debate,
我们就迷失了 we're lost. You know...
人们可以一直质疑政府 The people being able to question our government
追究它的责任 and hold it accountable,
那是我们建立 that's the principle that
美国的根本原则 the United States of America was founded on.
如果我们想保护我们的国家安全 So if we want to protect our national security,
我们就该保护那个原则 we should be protecting that principle.
如果你的争论没有人理睬呢 What if your argument falls on deaf ears?
如果我们的领导人没有反应呢 What if our leaders don't act?
我相信 如果没有任何改变 I believe that, if nothing changes,
全世界会涌现出更多的人 more and more people all over the world will come forward.
不仅是揭发者和记者 还有普通的公民 Whistleblowers and journalists, but also regular citizens.
当那些掌权者想通过设置权限 And when those in power try to hide
将所有东西隐藏时 by classifying everything,
我们就会让那些东西曝光 we will call them out on it.
当他们想以牺牲我们的 And when they try to scare
基本的人权 来恐吓我们时 us into sacrificing our basic human rights,
我们不会害怕 we won't be intimidated,
也不会放弃 不会沉默 and we won't give up, and we will not be silenced.
你孤身一人在国外 You're alone in a foreign country,
如果想离开 就会被引渡 you'll be extradited if you try to leave.
这肯定很艰难吧 That must be hard.
当我离开夏威夷时 我就失去了一切 When I left Hawaii, I lost everything.
我曾有一个稳定的生活 And I had a stable life.
稳定的爱情 A stable love.
家庭和未来 Family. Future.
而我失去了那些生活 And I lost that life,
但我已经获得了新东西 but I've gained a new one,
而且我无比的幸运 and I'm incredibly fortunate.
我认为 And I think
我获得最大的自由 the greatest freedom that I've gained
就是我不在需要担心 is the fact that I no longer
明天会发生什么了 have to worry about what happens tomorrow,
因为我对自己做得一切都很满意 because I'm happy with what I've done today.
来自互联网的直播 爱德华·斯诺登 Live from the Internet, Edward Snowden!
时 至 今 日 爱 德 华·斯 诺 登 在 莫 斯 科 定 居
林 赛·米 尔 兹 已 经 搬 去 和 他 同 居
你改变想法了吗 Has your mindset changed about him?
比起黑客 他现在更像个揭发者了吗 Is he now more whistleblower than he is a, uh, hacker?
奥巴马要求安全局停止数据块收集
2015年5月7日
国家安全局数据块收集违法
2015年5月13日
白宫投票终止国家安全局电话数据块收集
卫报
2015年6月3日 周三
国会通过国家安全局监视改革 斯诺登无罪
2015年1月2日 晚9:48
巴拉克·奥巴马签署"美国自由法"来改革国家安全局的监视
爱德华·斯诺登会怎么样 What is going to happen to Edward Snowden?
他会死在莫斯科 不会回来 He's going to die in Moscow. He's not coming home.
爱德华·斯诺登 他是叛国贼还是英雄 Edward Snowden, is he a traitor or a hero?
他偷取了很重要的信息 He stole very important information.
我们今晚有重大新闻 We have breaking news tonight...
在改革中 Among the reforms,
国会改变了国家安全局手机记录收集的方式 work with Congress to change how the NSA collects phone records.
经常批准监控的秘密法庭 Mandate more transparency by the secret court
授权将变得更加透明化 that regularly approves the surveillance.
这是爱德华·斯诺登的胜利吗 Well, is it a victory for Edward Snowden?
那将取决于旁观者 That's gonna depend on the eye of the beholder.
新斯诺登文件显示奥巴马政府扩大了国家安全局的监控范围 2015年6月4日
美国政府曾一直在违法 The American government was acting illegally.
我认为他不受惩罚 是不应该被带回国的 I don't think he should be brought home without facing the music.
斯诺登扮演了很重要的角色 Snowden played a very important role
告诫了美国人民 in educating the American people
我们文明的自由 to the degree in which our
欧洲立法者投票支持爱德华·斯诺登
和我们宪法的权利 civil liberties and our constitutional rights
究竟遭到了怎样的践踏 are being undermined.