Please scenario on the screen here and I'll just run through it
It really only needs one of you at least to have this in the chat room
Ok we do not recirculate it because he want you to sort of come to this without thinking about it
You only need one person really in the room that can open this up and
You may have the ability to share the screen
So you can read it out for the others
Eynons of thumbs up if you've got that
There is definitely there
Ok alarm
Ask cameras to start if you for some reason car find the start feature for your cameras
I'll see if we got them because it be nice when you're in the rooms to see each other on here each other
Go for it just a bit of netiquette
It will expedite things if you take him
I look at
Who's in your room
And maybe just give
A little bit at least say hello to each other
Maybe evening to do see each other
That'll take up a couple of minutes and more
A spokesperson for the room would be a good thing
Don't forget to do that if one if you could be the one that filled two questions
From myself
Cos I'll go through the rooms
There's going to be 5 in one room and 4 into the two others
I try to mix it up a little bit
Where are you from similar
Places of try to sort split them up as much as they can
Right
So what this tries to simulate is a bit like when used to go on in a going to little groups in a room or go
Different rooms
Alex chat about something and come back with your conclusions
You are going to go off I will not join you in the rooms
Ok so I'm
We're not we're not recording any of this
So you read to talk about it amongst yourselves
Neither should you be recording it either by the way
Unless you've got permission
Everybody
Right so
The Ethical discussion in scenario number three assumes you are a personal licence in the first year of your
You started as a PhD student you want to put yourself in that is so good telling me you want a PhD student
Put yourself into this role with a dynamic and successful research group
Majoring new neurodegenerative disease that you don't need to know anything about neurogenic degenerative
Ok I even told the idea of not even putting anything there but at least it gives you
The idea that this seems to be an important subject matter
Ok
Embracing the Ethos of the Concordia on open this what we saw earlier
Which is under the understanding in animals
Remit
And the free as your organisation has invited
I'm school children 15 years of age
I am around that to hear presentation from
Various organiser from various organisational field including your group so your group
Been asked to talk to these students
Your project licence holders proposed you to present an overview of the research programme involving the Warwickshire animals to the pub
The pupils
I believe in this is good for your presentation and communication
Skill development
I want to put you under stress
Ok what would you say yes or no and if no why
If it's a yes where do you start with your preparations so do answer this is a group if there's a range of
Suzanne obviously collect the range of use
Do you need support for a chaperone and if so who would you choose
What about maybe if you've done some pre-reading or you spent a bit of time
In your induction those people that you may have heard off who are there that might be helpful to you in your
Organisation
The army unit
Orion group
What would be the goals to achieve come up with safe 3 or 4
So what would be the what do you want what the message is what things would you want to get across
In in a discussion but remember the audience ok
Right I'm going to put you in the rooms
Any questions before I do that
No
You are all going to magically disappear for
15-minutes
Just check that so
Evita
Hazelnut Ireland
Yeah
No I'd like to say
No if I don't have the licence
If I had the lesson when I can say years I can I can get the presentation
I'm starting
How animals are used in conducting research
And then
What is degenerative disease
And how is delivered to him and Howie
Any
Research
I don't live in human or in any more
What is the benefit
Mr Bean in Hindi
Never use anymore
Yeah and
How are you
And then
Yeah because they are
Scrunchies
Injustice
In general
Basically if I'm to do it first the forest about animals generally
Possibly
No doubt say possibly mice and try to talk about
Similarities they have with humans
Surely context in which we are trying to use an experimentally
Then from there could just look abouts
OK they don't need to know much about soldiers and stuff like that but just busy
Asking paintings for pets
To keep them under the sink I love human environments
I meant that would help
We humans to get better treatment
New Jersey need to know my Spotify
I miss you Jackie or whatever
And from there we can talk about
Who's Declan are they have similar traits in men
Play we are trying to use them to find out banks that we could not apply to human beings and that would
Will it make you feel better and better place I think that's the part I'll go for
11 of kids are and our personalities
All about medical reasons because kids will be emotionally attached
Adam is tell you about I don't know
Humanely
India off experience I'm so yeah I think so
Yeah it's like that trust me because victory said even though he said it
Most of them they have like pets of course he said they're emotional
Sometimes of course when you do experiment he was killed
As I said even me I would take it I'll probably Trinity to explain to them
Always have to tell them
I have to compare them even the animals like he could take the cupboard one now
Pandemic
Everyone is living in fear
So they can see people are dying
So using the example you can't explain to them the use of animals
Always follow the headaches as well because I decide emotional
It won't be care
And
Of course you have to take them home
We use them
And for the benefit of the world
Things like that but then I would do that but always have to follow the ethics
He said you don't have to take them just in general I say Jesus
It's long with explained it to them then they don't understand it
Yan not neither
Yeah I can still like
Dementia
More more interesting
My UWE
Animal Forest
Yeah
This thing
Well just tried back at my profile as myself do you want me to go
Similarities in humans a big somebody it's just
I'm a good key notes to be like instead of using me
And listen me totally because I'm trying to find out the ways to give you a life of the young kid
Use alternative witches
Is not best but better than me
And I think with that cash the check that
Yeah not just been true of Dynamo still trying to provide solutions for the future and
Experiment
Yeah that's why we have to use that area
Listening
Replace me for the mice
Like when I was applying for job in Ascot
Do you mind to use animal like Christian then of course the interview
Like Auntie and minute but I just hadn't had any idea how to use animals
And I said well if you ask me to save my mum do you want me to use a mice or something
Of course
We have to be home and we have to trick them to the rules and what
If you follow that
If not
They art them 1986 after what I know it to use it
That's why this is 2
Gay
Unimax ranking the romantic what he said moral
Right or wrong
Using bayzid on that one
I would explain to them
Figures of animals as he said always we have to look after their emotions when it was
Forgiving mind
Stantonbury politely because
Names of penicillin
Even if you say something down to you
Donedeal
What about your experience you have a kid
Me
Game
Occasion
So how we gonna start done then like when we
Yes to explain
So to start
Like the first sentence or word first paragraph to explain to them definitely out
Try to
Compare
Animals
I've got the good thing about they're not there but side of course and cutting about them explain them how
Good special depends how close to them
And I would talk about their this as well at the same time so if someone is
Not treated they would die
And we will lose them
Because we cannot replace them
With animal of course
You cannot replace them but at least
You can see me take them
Ring Canada where you can break them
So by comparing that we can have another animal
If we look this one we can have another animal pass if you lose someone
Roman
We cannot take them back so
Using compression with so we can explain to them what goes not like to like of course
Someone name something
Then if you bring another pet
It won't be happy but at least you have something
Important how to start
Yeah yeah
How to stop
I think everything ok you just started to point out that the life cycle of humans is a little bit long
Animals
Period of my should be about
Released
And for the humans are the main months it's so I'm just like well you don't
Begets experiment so this is true
By 3 months or six months maximum
91 the Gypsy put out the day of or die
The whole life too but for you as a human you
I live in quite a long while so
That's what we
2 years
Animal that has a shutter lifespan and as compared to the humans Dad
Insulation is it all life
What happens to your life you someone that we can do something we can take
Lessons from a user to prevent or a doctor so so better tomorrow's
I think that's a good way to start indicating that have the lifespan of gestation period
Extempore
Is preferable to we humans
Helps the gear big well done
Ok welcome
Welcome back
Right ok so are you going to have to hopefully you have appointed someone as
Person for your group
I will invite the different rooms in may or may not taking an account I think which room you're in lift
What's the
People are in the rooms when when I asked the first question
Let's set this mix it up little bit and rather than going to room one which
Typical
Mix it up into
Best
In the middle
Andrea
Or circa circa
Imogen or Kimberly
I
Amazon
Higher question one I think you should be able to see the slide set
Yeah would you say yes or no and if no why
So we thought
The group you're kind of had a very similar of you and we agreed that yes we were
Presentation
Important to be open about it to the public as it's been said in their future education
UK Concorde out of openers
I'm so to communicate things well
Ok
Right that's enough for now thanks Imogen right let's go to room free
That was Victor
Terrible pronouncing names
Schuh shoes
Madani
Madonna
And Hardy
Sorry for the pronunciation
Who's spokesperson
8-oz
We need the point one but ok going to be the self-appointed one
Go ahead
Yeah we agreed on yes having the kids
Little more about
Making them understand why it's important bring it down to level kids
Avoid in Cortez like you can eat here or Killing of animal stuff
That's probably enough at the moment question 2 I let everybody have a chance it
So room one then which shares
Anthony bourdain
Elaine
Ellen
Molise
So we also said yes we
Sharing what you do in life is important
Why is important you
Animals
Mini
Anusol
Not trust
Someone like farm animal set for chicken show
Ok right
Right back to room 2
Imaging second question
So we saw said that we will probably start with trying to contextualize at 12 to the group that we presenting to
It's a group of school people's used
You want to communicate what you can effectively across without
Going into too much detail obviously and
No no
Minal and understand it but not too complicated
And obviously getting too much information about like she doesn't how they happen and
Enormously not
Distressing any of the school kids with stuff like that but also without you know
Not being truthful it'll just
Ok so room free
Just friends
What's the proper context that something
Can I be emotionally attached to it because someone had my spots
Bring up humans that died for this condition
See how to get Solutions from
Alternative sauce
Replacement sale
That way goodbye pasty emotional attachments
Yeah I think that's a really good point I just I normally wait till the end but it just makes me reflect on something
That is something in the slides very very early on in Essex
It's on about time and culture and things like that
And if this occurred
In my childhood very very few people
Would have had rats and mice as pets
Where is East more typical is more common for traffic is Optics or or rats and mice or
The available in pet shops in in
Pets at Home and things like that which
The really went or it was it was seen as an exotic thing to have
Rabbits guinea pig maybe but not
Maybe wraps on mice
So yeah companion animals in attachment things like that
In a week sometimes
Maybe maybe the Old Agard sometimes forget that very very fact that we have moved on
Mike 21
Yeah so we think we're thinking about like a background giving like more context
What you doing
Why you used
Animal animals hospital cutest and trying to buy
You can choose a defence system why you have to use animals in this context in your research
Ok
Ok so back to room
To an imaging
The let's answer the the third one and for fun if you can
At the same time on trying to speed up a little bit so we saw for chaperone having the project
Present older and one of the training officers as well and possibly also someone who was in charge of the
Camels and sort that Karen
So how their looked after as well in the most of its and that detail and in case our questions asked
And I was the main goals we sought to achieve would be to emphasize the importance of why
You would need to use animals and in this condition and obviously you know there's not
There's not many treatments available for neurodegenerative diseases and there really severe and does not running at the moment that can
Stop the progression so emphasizing the importance of that
But also being able to communicate with children and not allowing them to understand but
You know you can you cancel going to research and pause a career path as well that just make them aware of that
Thank you very much
Where will we did we go into 3 and then 14 remember it wasn't Victor and then
Lost my tracking let's go to Victor and then go to war
I am
We need really talk much about
.3 and 4 but yeah I'll speak up with world
Turn the music up and I'm sure
We tried to get solutions to challenges to health issues
What's the soffit and
Go to try and prevent you from paying off any new generated Forest
Produce a common thing we have religious already
The human Bean
Experimental we decides of good true and my daughter has a lifespan that we could see what's going on
Get released with what might happen to you understand before Solutions
Make us sleep better
Ok thank you very much and room one
Forres
Listen to ruffini Awards who sang keys from your group First
And also few Santa's animal for cities
And so being able to
Needed to do that song like a little
Students could interact with more person and have more like 1 and 1 description
To answer the question more efficiently
In Folkestone for 15 year olds trying to reach you say about what size you do
Awaited buttons trying to explain
Also the Treehouse with the reduction of using animals in science
And
Yeah waste anymore even I mean everywhere and
Ok thank you very much overall
99.9% of what I would like very comprehensively covered
Any other thoughts or input before I
Safe you conclude in
Where's about this
Give a chance to anybody who's if with Miss something that you think well we should we did say that or we did talk about
Ok so I just say
Very much up to why would I hope for groups to have discussed
This is the sort of thing that could happen
I remember this happening to me many years ago I was asked to go to
It was my initial important to go to careers days
That she has to go to careers events
And talk about the role of an animal technician
Of course it was difficult just to focus on just caring for animals because people wanted to know why do you use them
And that it was I was still quite a raging debate about that
In the press that hosts it would appear monthly at times
So yeah I mean especially the Body Shop and Anita Roddick who was a founder of that
Basically
Appeared in the early 80s
And started to be very vocal about this is if all research courses for asthmatic testing
That went on that wasn't the case if I haven't been involved in any up to the point
Hera
So yeah my my experience was I tried at first football really should I be doing lesson should
Goals
I did have enough experience to do that now actually are only a few
Texting me
In place and
I thought I could
Pork and invite questions and maybe
Open the answer them so
Decided to get involved
In a group so we run this way if we do get some at say no it was surely that could have been someone
Experience
I commend you for all saying you would
Groups
Where do you start well I think you ought it the nail on the head there you need to start with sort of talking about
Landscapes paranormal use and
And how how they cared for
You know
In in the 80s
And as a chaperone
Yes somewhat someone like the name person like in aqualand nvs maybe
Payroll person
And then of course scientists I do like the idea
I think it fixes group that said
Where's Anton
Anthony let's maybe we'll split them up into groups and scientists
Invite questions from the youngsters that's the first I'm not
That hasn't been an answer to this question this scenario
Most of took it as if they would speak at the audience and then invite questions at the end maybe
Where is actually thinking about doing it in a different way like a group working session like this
With the with maybe if there were enough of those
Around on there that would be maybe a good way doing it
Sometimes that is intermixed with
Some form
For facilities if it's possible some places
Possible
Sometimes introduced to you as well
So support yeah what about the group itself is a lot of things to think about with that age group the teacher talk
Play the teachers in the children
Talking about the children with the teachers prior to the
Event itself
Obviously you know the risks involved there in a wood how do you deal with these difficult questions
That you might not talk about killing animals that someone is going to ask
So you got about preparation for that
And discuss it with the teachers as well now that will be
Presented or answered if it comes up later so as you quite rightly so it said the number of
You don't want to see if you don't want to be I want to be open but you don't want to
State of
Weather might be running emotions
Because you always have to deal with that
And then I think you all started pretty much her own most of us would start
With planning and preparation of
Getting across the need for animals and how are the three r's are Incorporated
The type of animal used in the sentence of it
That sort of thing
Singer that starts really I mean it's a chance really such an issue not being assessed on this it was
Plans for you to have a chat with each other talk about
Practical way
I am off the way away of which ethics and the flowers are applied in in your context outs
Kind of the doing and the procedures I thinking about how you would put this across to
What would
Be a bit late
Group or could be someone in your family or could be
Some friends and colleagues that you might be talking about where can John so
Get prepared for those questions if you've not already done it
Ok any final
Bought some points before we move on
Ok
Right so will be the move on to legislation so we going to get into quite a lot of legislation
Detail on afraid
Not quite as I feel I don't think it's it's
Project some aspects of health and safety legislation
Like to talk
Bolton Citroen
So hopefully it will be
Interesting to you
Your first experience
With legislation
Bear with me we will be having another break somewhere around 12 we'll see where we are with
Presentation at the point where the break is scheduled
Take care take you appropriately around some some point in the slides that's it might be a little earlier might be a bit late
Depending on where we are with the slides
Just getting everything in the right place so I can see you all I can see the chat and things like that
National legislation can you see the slide with the little cartoon on it just a single slide
Thank you very much
Right ok
All slide sets have these learning outcomes on them I should mention it on the last one but they all have them
I don't tend to go through the learning outcomes you can read them in your own time
The coverage sometimes if you if you read them in slide your notice they do reproduce with
Different slide search used all that one was covered by another slides as well or he didn't cover in this will be covered it in another one
That's because these things are set up so that the modules can be actually delivered individually
And therefore if we do a minute
And to go over and over and over the same Concepts which you would otherwise if you did them
Separately in a day
Rigidly to the learning outcomes
Sophie if you ever do any learning course which you are if you are but we have one
4 legislation
And this course you would be doing you thinking I've seen that before why why is it
There again
Colony landing
Taking
A separate
Right ok so we're going to go through some key concepts
The things that we gonna cover
And all I will save with NatWest testaments
We just covered ethics so FX is focused on
Concepts that revolve around the free hours
And a couple of ethical stances and statements from the key people that
I'm good now
Talk about
You do need to sort of understand the breadth and depth for 3 hours to answer all the free art questions
Name you know the 3rd that's not simple is that it might say is this a reductionist thing is it
Thing or is it a replacement
If we don't give you simple questions like yes or no this isn't a reduction is one of the heart
No you'll have to actually identify from a statement whether it's
Bad practice
Refinement reduction replacement
Write with regard to
Legislation we will be asking you to complete a sentences
Are
Defining something like what is a protected animal what is a regulated procedure
And
Standard conditions as we get to them please do ensure that you've gone through those standard conditions
Attached licences especially the one with personal cos you can bet your bottom dollar that there is definitely going to be
A range of questions
Which rely on you knowing you are standard conditions
Nowhere to wear but you need to think there is one on that yeah this one on label in cages
Ok so purposive aster is to define legitimate purposes that animals can be
Under research
Search education
Purposes under this act there are limits imposed on pain and suffering there
Tradition for inspection of facilities and procedures
The right kind of practices which ensure and obviously
Name people in your own responsibilities of standard conditions
Licence holders
Conditions which require you to
Provide standards of care
Husband husband greencare
And we are all accountable to the public and certainly we are in this context
So as we've seen obviously the public
Is giving information and giving Eva
Non compliance issue reports
A normalised but they are all non compliances
Infringements of the app
Non-compliance is on friends and standard conditions on attached the licenses all of those in
Occasions
These cases are all published for free under freedom of information
The only thing that's removed is the name
The person and the organisation
If you want to see some
Go onto the home office website the regulation unit
Can you be able to read all of the non compliances for the last 5 years
That's not not very nice reading some of them but lessons
There to be looked at and maybe
Give you some idea of where you need to focus your attention on compliance
Ok
So it's what's known as an Enabling Act
Wanna put my
Anti-vivisection is that on here
Wanted either section lists
I would say that it is a protectionist act
It protects you when you get your licence
From prosecution
Evil things you do to them
Ok
Oh you know do beer that in mind that those are really hadn't against this issue
Refuses but there are some
Play Believer even the act itself is absolutely rubbish it's garbage
I think if I was an animal rights activist when someone says to me
How many people have been prosecuted
And put in prison
Since 1876
Nobody
Right ok
And what's the worst thing that's happened to them
I've lost a licence
Now that is
In many cases going to affect your ability to earn money
And effectual life potentially severely
So yeah losing your licence that is really
The worst case scenario really
In reality although there are
Mechanisms to prosecute even financial and imprisonment
It's a hasn't happened today and it's very unlikely
And that's why the animal rights group say it's a protection is that rather
Anything else know the 8th and evil inside of it
Is to enable you to do research and
Not
B
Prosecuted for
Things that cause pain suffering distress or lasting harm
Under the projects and personal licence in andrasta so it's stopped
From prosecution
If you stick to it
And do the things you do
You should be doing
Stick to the Acton the codes of practice and guidance and the Sally conditions
Then it may be due to do research
And you don't get prostitute
Is administered by the regulation group called as root and you are centrally
Whitehall
Home office and always has been the case because
Is the older Max was established pretty much as something prosecuted
Answers sat in the Home Office
Police and people like that are under them Cross
So it's always sat in the Home Office
Unit
At there are inspectors and the road currently about 21 inspectors
Refuse new part-time
Scared post say their full-time equivalents
And now about 21
They are range of Medics and vets mainly vets
Mainly and quite a few of them are wood I call gamekeeper poacher
Timekeeper
So they used to be a project licence holder or p i l or an mvs or someone like that
And then
Evolve into the
Applied for home office
Houses inspectors so they often have a good understanding
Legislation and the way it works
And how to be a product licence for personal licensing
Know what I will say at this point
I got to watch the space and the environment that your establishment because he may or may not know that there is
A massive change
Process training strategy
Just been kicked off
Only told About It 2 weeks ago
And I haven't changed any slides
Because it shouldn't change legislation but what it's gonna change
Is the way in which things are
Governed locally and inspected by the inspector
Open till today
Open till the
First week in July
Inspectors
Where regional
And where
Local to you so you would have I an inspector that came every time the same one
That's gonna change apparently
You probably gonna get and different inspector
Each time
And the prices of inspection apparently is going to become more audit
Right so they'll be less focused on being
Part of the group and you know in them and get in report and more of an audit process
Is actually going to be a big change
And possibly a lot of local knowledge
As far as they're concerned they're going to come
With a report from last time or the last 5 years and they're going to have something put on how are you
Your culture is in your environment is
They have some local knowledge but they won't be a person that was attached to the last few years and
Coming every time
I'm afraid is it a big change
The role of the oversight committee agency there also may change
I don't see any of the codes of practice and guidance changing immediately but they have talked about
Improving
The not the garlic the guidance and information to those responsible under
Yeah including personal licences
There will be some changes but not immediately but the big change the StepChange I think will come
The inspectors
Being
An audit inspection has been more of an order and different inspectors coming possibly each time
Bit of a disconnect
Possibly
Now if you want to know more about that there they are think I'll publish you very shortly all of this information
Now things are changing for
On the public in a freedom of information
I don't think the quite got it was only the stakeholders
Groups of only just received this information and have meetings last week
But to the require a lot going on at the moment even in the inspectorate
Vaping
Spectre's himself being told in the world
Rather than being along communication
Ok so have a chat with your local admin team about that if you want to know anymore
Is a bit of a Moving Target at the moment and change slide and silly
Real
Things that will
Vokera or happened
The guidance document as it's it's got a copy on the one drive you got access to
Do review it
Many questions
That setting the assessment and many questions you might be asked by inspector I visit
Revolve around your your responsibilities and the responsibilities of other people
Write the five name persons
The standard conditions
And this is what the guidance covers and there is even a question on what does the guidance cover and it says
Is the singer
And the same with the code of practice which will see you in a minute
The request is on that so don't ignore those two documents which run the One driver if you type
Download them
You're available on the animal science regulation unit just Google them
Ok so schedule one is one of the appendixes which is in go as per the guidance on the Opera
On page 111
You are going to comprehensively cover all aspects of your main killing tomorrow in module 6.1
So that's on Dave
2 tomorrow
The second model you cover prior to lunch
So I'm not going to go into any detail other than to say
That schedule one is consists of Two tables
And 6 approve confirmation method so killing methods are only approved the certain stages of development
Weights and ages and animal species
And there in Two tables as you can see there
And every killing method that is
Has to be completed by an approved confirmation method of death
Schedule one does not require a personal licence or a project licence to do
But you must be
Supervised trained
Deemed competent
Prior to actually killing live animals
So you will go through me
Training program and it will start with some observations following discussion
Do not leave any carcasses on attended
And you must always use a confirmation
You will be placed once you've deemed competent onto a humane killing register
Which is kept centrally and this is a licence requirement under the establishment licensee
We have a standard condition that says they must keep this register
And they must have enough people available at all time so that can animals can be killed by humane methods
And the NatWest tend to be involved in maintaining that register a long with the name Troy
Incompetency office who often keeps
The other schedule of importance within
The guidance document is scheduled to which is a list of species that must
Obtain from licensed breeders or suppliers
What are they
Well it's licensed as an establishment licence
Debride supply for use
Just to use the borrow tree bread
Purpose bred animals you must have an establishment license
Even if you just hold them and kill them
Holding and killing without any regulated procedures
Does not require project or personal licensing
Unless it's a GMO
However you must have a establishment licence and apply code of practice in schedule
1
Methods
And have name people and all the other stuff if you only
Holding kill
Some of you may already have done that you may be what's humane killers and have used tissue and killed the borough
Animals
Without project or personal licence mission just been on the register of human Killers
This means that if you know there's only one fish species for example zebrafish danio
Pet shop on Saturday not looking at theirs
And underneath that tank with Guppies
I could buy some of them and use them in research if I've got a project licence and a personal licence to do that
I cannot
I was in Pets at Home I don't have fish at the moment but I do have a pond with
Indoor one
You could buy technically Guppies
Armagh pet shop
Ok you can't buy your app white rats and mice from one though
I want suggest is the best place to find
Any animal to be honest you should buy them from me
Supply or establishment even if they
Not under
The fact you need a
Halfords Natalie pure
So procurement department will help you out never buy your own house
So code of practice for all licensed establishments for care and accommodation sign establishment licence holder
Make sure that the code of practice is applied so this is the other document and there is a copy of this
On the one drive for the return documents that you should be aware of
That was worth looking at
The guidance document which is all about human responsibilities
And the code of practice which two predominantly is about optimal conditions that need to be
Alright so they are two separate documents and not the same don't get confused
They are legal requirements a legal minimum standards
They're not like
If you know this but the highway code is something that helps to convict you against
Things you do on there on the highway that wrong
And that's it
Obviously a code of driving practice
This is used to be until the 1st of January 2017 a similar thing but now it is a league
Minimum standard
It's actually
Prosecutable against
If you don't do
Don't ignore
The Makro
Will advise you and also will put up lots of things in the unit that sign if either important
You in certain things that say it might even put cages up on the wall sizes and say only 4 hours can be put in this
Gauge
Yeah
Allows you knocked off to get your slide rule in your tape measure out to calculate how much
Squares
Mm of CM you require and what height
Because I have said right this type of cage that you can see a picture of
Which we might call a tekna plus type 2 or something
That allows you to put so many mice in it
Orbison
Play developer
So follow the follow those instructions if you've got that sort of detailed instructions pinned up around
To help you
But if you want know how that's calculated then
Take a look at this and then aqua will have a copy of it in the unit
Be able to advise you
Macrobian the name Darren Morton welfare officer we will go through those rolls later
What does asta do to do
Scientific purpose on protected animals
For which
We may cause
Pain suffering distress or lasting harm
The word maize is an important concept
If all work that us to do Just Cause his no pain suffering distress the last
I couldn't to Highland that caused by the introduction of a hypodermic needle in accordance with good veterinary practice
That you're doing
Lower threshold and beneath threshold
Non asthma
Non-regulated work
Bit of a mouthful comeback to that one in a minute
But if you are closed Maples paint
You need a licence to project licence
An establishment to work work out which has a
Woodlice
List controls are who what and where
And licences are held by individuals
I once was told by
And inspector
That a living entity must
Old licence
And the reason for that is
The place
There is on the application form
An area where the holder can say well the person holding it is establishment
The person actually is responsible for compliance
The establishment licence holder or the named person responsible for compliance is establishment
They have to be named as that person
Hathaway protector
The individual in documentation to identify who is the establishment licence holder
Not everybody does that do few people do that on an establishment you can actually put
Establishment is the holder
Mast have a living entity that is a name person responsible of compliance
The NP
Effectively is the whole
Can't do that with personal property licences
Right so what is a protected animal
Any live in vertebrates other than man and my
Living cephalopod
Protected only from the stage of its development when for a mammal bird and or reptile
Do giraffes and mice
Two-thirds of the gestation or incubation period for the relevant species has a last
And the
In any other case it has becomes capable of independent feeding and that be means for things
Ok
Also applies to animals which follow a procedure maturity to a stage of cloth
They done
If you work with pregnant and pain and just animals
Pregnant
The damage
Erodent Dam is always
Protected
And the younglings jutro a protected from two-thirds
Onwards
Any living this is the definition of living
I've always found a bit strange but anyway this is what it says an animal shall be regarded as continuing to live
Until the permanent cessation of circulation or the destruction of its brain
It's actually telling you
Basically by Ivor dead
Or lie
The permanent cessation of circulation of destruction of the brain
Wilkinson that will actually
Definition of death you can't you go into the mechanisms of
Death and confirmation tomorrow
So animals that have
Considered to be done by that definition
I may not covered by this the regulations are covered by honesty of her
Regulations apart from the obligation to remove samples for your research purposes poster
What is a regulated procedure regulatory procedure means any procedure apply to protect animal for a qualifier
Purpose which may have the effect of causing the animal pain suffering distress or lasting harm equivalent to or
Higher than that caused by the introduction of a hypodermic needle in accordance with good veterinary practice
So
If you do that or it's equivalent
That is known as the lower threshold of pain
The lower threshold which is normally mild
Under the sea very cheap and in that will see you in a minute
If it doesn't do this condition if it's below
It's below this lower threshold
And if it's below the threshold for every animal in all the cases that you do something
And it's not regulated
Procedure and it's not regulated work
And there are some that do
Undergraduate Project
And they're interventions cause North not they don't create this
Particular
Breach of
Lower threshold
Balola sub-threshold
Kingsbury lower sub-threshold
Things above
This
Are either mild moderate or severe
And it's a concept where you got to think outside of that box of using a needle cos somebody might sound ever going to put on
Because it could be something to do with excessive restraint or
Psychological disturbance material stem for the normal health
Physical mental or social well-being at the animal
A disease state injury or physiological or psychological discomfort
Whether Media or in the longer term
Ok so what that means is anything that's equivalent to a higher than
It could mean any of those other things as well
Nobody is it equivalent to it
And these can be as I said with those groups are statistical Returns
They can be acts of omission and commission and permission so commission is dosing or sample in or doing something
Emission is withholding food a water or maybe taken enrichment devices away putting them into
A strange environment where the not got the partners with them there on their own
Yeah
In a normally ass and I require group holding
You take away conspecifics put them on their own
Research reasons
And permission can be for breeding and maintenance of genetically modified animals
Breeding of non GM animals you might call the wild types on outbred animals
Inbred strains which are not GM
Is not a regulated procedure
Read and maintenance of gym is
The use of any animal course
Acts of commission or omission
Personal licence technique which continues until data is obtained or the humane Endpoint is reached
Procedure regulated even if controlled by Anastasia allergies your decerebration
A series of regulated procedures forms a project licence protocol
Are they called them on the project they call these protocols and they call the individual
Regulated
Procedures steps
Ok so you have several
Procedures listed
In a protocol
On a project and you can have many protocols
And each protocol lunch will be identified as he leaving some or part of object
Used within the plan of work of the project
Ok
The qualifying purpose
Is
Something that might be experimental scientific or educational
Can you soften it about the stage of maturity to be protected animals yeah so in utero things like
Tat
And the modification of animals genomes are regulated procedures
We said that and these are some examples some of the groups
The thing about giving substances parentally
Includes all those
Routes of administration
Free scientific purpose
Killing by
A process which is not
Listed under schedule 1 is a regulated procedure remember schedule 1 humane killing
Can be done by non personal licences
So they're not regulated procedures where is if you
Find schedule running away or use a different method of killing maybe you want
Profusion or animals into terminal anaesthesia and kill them under anaesthesia
That is not scheduled
That is a series of regulated procedures which ends in death
Under Anastasia
Why because you need to manage Anastasia
You don't need to be effective killer if you're doing schedule 1
You do not have the skill
Probably two and requirements to maintain anaesthesia when you kill it
You are actually giving a bonus to efficiently kill
Alright so he's a different skill set
Involved
In Killing
Or maintaining Anastasia so
Kingsley
Hammond lad terminal recovery of tissues or profusion fixation under 10 ml Anastasia is
Regulated procedure
What is not regulated
Well as an as a long-term macro in a macro in the 90s
For many years and I'm person since 1986 continually up to the time
I left my
Last employer and took this job
I would always someone came to me and said Dave we want to do with this or you want to
How do we say what's your primary purpose
And I'll be looking for them to say well it's either a recognised veterinary agricultural husbandry practice
Or a clinical investigation for the management of animal welfare
And then I'd say ok so tell me what you going to do you've identified
What you believe the primary purposes
How did science or Research had a severe ok right tell me what you going to do
And then I told them where they need to make an amendment to their projects and personal licence
Identification when done for that purpose primarily is not a real
Related procedure if you use the Roma and sorry the husbandry
What agricultural practices are normally
The methods are normally deployed
So any anoxia example in a rodent
Even if it's gym
If the primary purpose of taking doing the a notches to identify it
You can take the discard the bit of tissue from the anus and then do DNA sampling
However if that's something
That DNA profiling goes wrong and you require more
Material
The second time that time will will not be for ID coz the muscle
Whatever rap is already ID
You would need to have
Personal project licensing that allows you to take material for that purpose
Bear that in mind
Ok many level many of these
Sort of techniques like this where it could be or couldn't be a regulated
Procedure depending on the primary purpose
Some places say will all marking AGM animals it will not shun
Is done by licences regardless
And I would like a catch up with the risk of illness and they don't want some
Not knowing the purpose that they taken us doing that are not sure
Right so be careful about that will always ask about that
You will need project a person permission if you have to go in and get some more sample
If the anus
Didn't give you it
When it was done for ID only
Once you've got permission
You've been released from
The competent you're confident released from supervision
Now the last setting
Parts of regulated procedures which can be delegated so you will see within your standard conditions
There is a standard condition about delegation to non licences
So again
Local policy might lottery things down and might say right ok it's not illegal to
Delegate the feeding of a pre mixed diet someone to help you with non licensed you can
Ronin
Pages change the feel over to your science diet that's been premix buy you all bye
Manufacturer
Actually we've had mistakes before so no we only we don't have to meet there
So there might be some places out there some more places I only allow or don't allow any delegation
Check that out with your name people
Make sure you know what you can and can't delegate
The staff if you are out of delegate aspects of a non-technical nature
And do make sure that the people that you work with that you're delegating These non-technical Thing
To these are aspects of it
What you need to do
Make sure they not understand what you're doing
That you are delegating something under the law and there is a limit to what they can do
Don't let them do it blindly I've come across people who have been asked a question
When they're feeding some diets for example the inspector said
Is that a research diet
And they might say yeah that's said Dr Santos diet
Under what authority are you feeding that Diner
No put them on the spot
Knowing that they should be able to say how is delegated this by Dr sewing so they told
At the limits I could do this I could only feed it I can't change any of the constituents I can't mix it
Yes
I'm doing it under instruction that's what I'm doing
And the personal licence if you want to talk to them
That's the person that gave me that delegation
This test
So they should be the answer
Like that and not just say I was just told to do
If you're going to delegate if you're allowed to do it make sure it's done properly
It's always good to do that and follow it up with some sort of email
Some document
You like that says that
Ok the free licences we will now have a short break and we're Jewish
10-minute break I think it is your resume at 12:10
And will move forward
With licences
See you in 10