我们来到了音浪工作室 So we’re here, the Soundwave studios
有很多湾区的激流金属乐队 常年来都在这里进行排练 This is the rehearsal studio where many of the bay area Thrash bands has jammed for a lot of years
我早就想亲眼来这里看一看了 And I wanted to come here and see from myself for a long time
走 我们进去吧 So let’s go in
是Testament(圣约书乐队) 真是个不错的开始 It’s Testament, a good start
瞧 Exodus乐队 Exodus
En Vouge(美国R&B/pop合唱团) 他们和Thrash没什么关系吧 En Vouge, not really Thrash
激流是金属所有的流派中速度最快 也最具侵略性的一个分支 Thrash is one of the fastest and the most aggressive metal subgenre
对于很多人来说 它听起来甚至都不像是音乐 And for many people, it doesn’t even sound like music
即使对于许多死硬派的金属乐迷来说 它都太重口了 Even for some die hard metal fans, it’s too heavy
那么 这么极端的一个流派为何能拥有数量庞大的粉丝群体 So how does this extreme style of music gained such huge fan base
并且出了很多在金属乐界中数一数二的乐队 Producing some of the metal biggest bands
比如金属乐队 大屠杀乐队 还有杀手乐队 Like Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer
当金属乐的其他分支濒临沉寂时 它为什么能如此的生机勃勃呢？ Why it remains so vital while other subgenre becoming extinct?
乐视音乐字幕组独家制作 听译&时间轴：Sese 总校对：Sese
金属进化论
激流金属起源于八十年代的地下音乐圈 Thrash emerge from the underground in the early 80s
比它之前的任何金属风格都要极端的多 And was much more extreme than metal style that came before it
歌词中包含着形象化的内容 战争 人类苦难 甚至连环杀手 Containing graphic lyrics about warfare, human suffering, and even serial killers
不过在我开始探索激流金属的变迁之前 But before I explore the evolution of Thrash
我想知道什么样的人会去创作这样的音乐 I want to know what kind of people were inspired to create this music
我们只是在意淫那些在现实生活中违法的 不切实际的幻想 We’re just living out our twisted fantasies that we’re illegal to carry on real life
比如有时候我们会想要杀人 It’s like as day goes by I want to kill somebody
幸好司法机关是不会允许我们这样做的 Fortunately the criminal justice system frowns upon such things
你也知道我是个随和的人 对吧 I’m one of the easiest-going dude you evert see hanging out, you know this
但是你如果把我放逐在野外 伙计…我绝逼会是个破坏分子 Eh, but if you put me in traffic, I’m…dude I’m a definite criminal
所以我选择了另外一种方式…把那种憎恨用最奇特的方式写进Slayer的歌词里 And I save that…that hatred in a pipe in Slayer’s lyrics in the weirdest way, you know
你还是个青少年的时候 为什么当时想要创作这种具有侵略性的 激进的音乐呢？ Would you experiences the youngster fit in the need to create faster aggressive intense music?
我也不知道我年轻的时候是怎么想的 I don’t know what happened to me as a kid
可以让任何人去做任何事 除了让他们去杀死自己的父母 Can buy anybody to do anything but to kill their parents
至于我本人 为什么想要玩金属 For me, what drove me to…wanna play metal music
我只是单纯地想要找寻一种归属感吧 Simply I just want to fit in…just want to be a part of things
- 我的绰号是AD-Dave（AD：多动症） 你知道的 - 没错 My nickname is AD-Dave, you know -yeah
因为我精力特别的旺盛 Coz I’m like…I’m a little hyper
我现在45岁了 要是我到了六七十岁还是这么精力旺盛的话 那一定很诡异吧 If I’m still hyperactive in 45 and 60 70, I must have been…wacked
我觉得这和我喜欢朋克音乐有关系 I feel the combination of that and the enjoyment of Punk music
无论是Circle Jerks, Dead Kennedy还是Minor Threat Whether it’s Circle Jerks, Dead Kennedy, Minor Threat
他们都点燃了我内心原本就有的激情 That just fueled what I think I had already
八十年代早期 对敲击金属的定义就是一种极度歇斯底里的音乐 而这都是受到了朋克的影响 What defines the Thrash metal in the early 80s is a sense of seriousness a kind of stority, influenced by punk
不仅仅是朋克这种音乐 同是也是某些人身上的某种朋克精神 No necessarily always by the music punk but by perhaps somebody’s attitude punk
朋克诞生于人们的空虚与沮丧 Punk is born with void and frustration
它出现在西方社会对于世界形势极度缺乏信心的时期 Punk emerged at the time of great loss of confidence in the west about where the world was going
八十年代早期 撒切尔夫人与里根执政的时期 敲击金属开始萌芽 When Trash started in the early 80s, Thatcher and Reagan were in charge
我们当时的社会是一个极度保守与受到限制的环境 And we had a highly conserved and highly restrictive kind of society
如果你是一个青少年 尤其是一个“少年”的话 And if you were a teenager, especially teenage ”male”
你绝对不想生活在他们那个时期的 Yuck you don’t want to live in the place where they’re in charge
这种环境让男孩子们觉得 为了生存下来 他们就应该反抗这种体制 This made male feels like they had to fight against the system just to stay in place
那种激进的想法让他们想要变得更吵 更快 And that kind of aggression leads to a sense of…wanna to be louder and faster
既然你喜欢朋克音乐 那为什么决定玩敲击金属 而不是做一个朋克吉他手呢 If you love Punk, why was it that makes you to play Thrash metal instead of just becoming a Punk guitarist
对我来说 演奏技术是非常重要的 Oh for me, musicianship is really important
朋克圈里面没几个特别牛逼的吉他手 You didn’t really have great guitar players in Punk
也许你有几首牛逼的歌 但是技术上不会很牛逼 You didn’t have great musicians, yet great songs
但作为一个音乐家 我想玩一点有难度的 But as a musician, I wanna to do more
而敲击金属让我有机会把一直以来所追求的技术性 And it seems like Thrash provide the possibility to apply the musicianship that I worked so hard on
运用到了朋克态度上 To the attitude of…of Punk
敲击金属需要巧妙的手法与精湛的技术 Thrash metal requires of exquisite and virtuosity
但敲击乐手们在朋克中找不到他们所需要的那种特质 But Thrash musicians didn’t find these qualities in Punk music
在七十年代后期 有一群来自英国的乐队对敲击金属产生了较大的影响 The other main influence on Thrash was a group of bands emerged from England in the late 70s
他们叫做英国重金属浪潮 Called the New Wave of British Heavy Metal
重金属浪潮的什么地方吸引了你呢 What is it about the NWOBHM that you were attracted into?
是那种能量啊 必须是各种能量 Well it’s the energy…first and foremost it was a definite energy
NWOBHM的内容主要是硬摇滚在顺应朋克音乐的大潮 The NWOBHM was basically hard rock metals answers to the Punk movement
一群金属大汉们吸取了朋克乐的精神 There’re bunches of metal dudes took the energy and spirit of Punk
让重复乐段听起来更加重 更加复杂 And made the riffs heavier, made the riffs interrogated
朋克的音乐性因此上升到了一个全新的层次 It was just a different level of…just a kind of musical way to it
实际上早在“英伦入侵(British Invasion)”的时候 我就开始玩音乐了 I actually started as a musician was the British Invasion
至于我的吉他技法 不得不说的确是受到了重金属浪潮的影响 As far as my guitar playing style, it’s pretty craft on the NWOBHM
要是没有英格兰 我可能连一个音符都不会弹 If it can’t from England I won’t be able to play a note
在犹大牧师 铁娘子 摩托头之前 Those certainty of aggression and density to like Priest, Maid and Motorhead
那种强度与侵略性都不曾存在 直到这些乐队的出现 that hadn’t existed in music until those bands came
听听重金属之父 黑色安息日 listening to Sabbath, the godfather of heavy metal
他们的音乐里仍然有很多布鲁斯的元素 still some of their music was really in the Blues
我认为 犹大牧师从他们的音乐中彻底剔除了布鲁斯元素 那就是真正的重金属 for me Priest wiped out all the Blues out of their music, that was heavy metal
你是这么吸收了这些影响 然后将它们做成新的东西的呢 why are you driven to take the influences and turned it into something new?
我当时知道我在做一种全新的音乐吗 Did I know we’re doing something new?
才没有呢 我们只是在追随着巨人们的脚步 像铁娘子和犹大牧师那样 No, we’re basically ride the contrails of those giants like Maid and Priest
我们只是做了一点具有湾区特色的改编而已 你懂的 We’re just doing our own little twist bay area version of it, you know
比如把他们歌曲里的史诗元素改成了杀人的主题 类似于这样 Which was take the epic songs elements and made the change about killing people, things like that
敲击不仅仅是朋克与重金属浪潮的简单结合 Thrash wasn’t just a mixture of Punk and British New Wave heavy metal
它那尖锐的唱腔与急速的吉他演奏 让它成为了一种独一无二的音乐风格 Its screeching vocals and ultra fast guitar made it a unique music style
也许敲击最为显著的特征就是它的快速双踩大鼓 Perhaps its most unique character is the beat of the double-base drum
那么双踩是怎么来的呢 为什么说它是敲击金属的一个基本要素呢 So where did this come from, why did it become essential in the sound of Thrash
也许你能告诉我 为什么双踩在激流中扮演着如此重要的角色呢 Maybe you can tell me why dose double-bass is important to the sound of Thrash
我觉得它把音乐中的那股兴奋劲提升了一个档次 I think it brings up the level of excitement to the music
我们把四分音符……改成三十二分…… Let’s set the tempo…I mean go…
听起来更加紧凑了 just more intense
然后你听到那如雷鸣般急速的吉他声响贯穿其中 And you heard that loan thundering thrashing with the guitars to comprehend what’s going on
我觉得那就是激流金属的最本质的标志 I think that’s the true identity of Thrash myself
双踩的一个重要特点是 它打破了传统的动次打次的节奏类型 One of the things is double-bass drum dose is it breaks the minacity of that very fast bass-snap…
双踩给这种音乐加入了一些多样化的元素 I think double-bass creates a sense of variety into the music
使得节奏听起来更加复杂 速度也变得更快 It creates more complexity, and it creates a sense of pace
让音乐变得更有强度与张力 It adds relentlessness and propulsion to the music
在你自己开始创作之前 你是在哪里听到双踩的 Where did you hear the double-bass style before you start creating yourself
从摩托头那里 From motorheard
那是我第一次听到双踩这种类型的鼓点 That’s the first time I heard double-bass at that pattern
之前也听过别的鼓手演奏过双踩 但我觉得没有人做的像他们那样 I’ve heard of other double-bass drummers, but I don’t think they did anything like that
那种节奏 那种风格的鼓点 At that tempo, and that style of beats
让我认识到双踩这种概念的鼓手 是来自摩托头的Phil Taylor Drummer that introduce me to that double-bass type of thing was Phil Taylor from Motorhead
1979年早期的时候 当我第一次听Overkill这首歌 When I first heard Overkill in early 1979
我整个人都震惊了 That was just blow my head off
你在Overkill这首歌里面用到了双踩这项技术 能告诉我你是怎么想出来的吗 The double-bass playing that you use in song Overkill, can you tell me how you came up with that
我当时买了一套新鼓 于是我就在那里开始练习起踩地鼓 I just bought a brand new kit, so I was practicing on my bass drum
我就像这样开始踩了起来 你懂的 and I was just going…you know like that
这时候Eddie和Lemmy他们俩来了 我正踩着鼓 抬头正好看见他们两个人 And Eddie and Lemmy they two arrive, while I was doing that, and then caught them as I saw
他们就站在门口 异口同声地互相说道 They just stood out as I sit in the room, and they both said
“真他妈……真他妈棒啊” ”that’s…that’s good” to each other
有一天我和Eddie去他房间时 看到他正好在练双踩 然后我们就写了Overkill那首歌 One day me and Eddie just came into his room, he was practicing his double-bass drum, and then we wrote Overkill, you know
Motorhead激发了人们想要去演奏地更快 更吵的那种心情 Motorhead kind of set the emotion that kind of drive to play faster and louder
你说的这个…… What do you say…
你们为什么要演奏地这么快 Why do you play so fast
我也不知道……只不过在当时觉得越快越好 快得超过音速也不为过 I don’t know…it’s just seems to be a good idea at the time
所以你们就越来越快了？ So you guys were getting fast with it?
当然了 当我们在舞台上的时候 我们从来不会放松下来 你懂的 Seems to be, yeah, I mean when we were on stage we never rest, you know
尽情地在舞台上摇摆 Get back our real shake
有些人把摩托头看作是一个激流金属乐队 Some people call Motorhead a Thrash metal band
的确有人这么想 Yes they do
你认为他们为什么会这么想？ Why do you think they do that
哈哈 我真的一点也不知道 Haha I haven’t got a clue really…I don’t know
我的意思是 我从来不把激流和那种背着子弹带 随时要把它取下来抽人的这种东西联系起来 Haha…I mean, I don’t associate Thrash with guys who wear cartridge belt and then took his belt off, whip
就是说 我还是不知道速度快与激流这个音乐流派有什么特定的关联 I mean, I still don’t quite know why it works with the music genre
1982Metallica第一次给我们暖场的时候 我意识到有很多乐队都玩得很快 I did see and hear a lot of band seemed to play incredibly fast…when we first saw Metallica support us in 1982
我记得我当时在想 “我擦 这是什么东西” 因为它速度真的太他妈快了 And I remembered at the time I was thinking ”fucking hell…what kind of music have I got…it was like so fast”
很多人都把Metallica视为是第一支激流金属乐队 Many people regard Metallica as the first Thrash metal band
那么他们是怎样开始的呢 为什么他们的声音能够吸引如此庞大的粉丝群 So how did they get started, and why did their sound connect with so many fans
当人们谈论激流金属的时候 他们总会想到旧金山湾区 When people think of Thrash, they generally think of the Bay Area
但是激流并不是从这里起家的 But that’s not where it started
于是我来到了洛杉矶 与金属刀片（Metal Blade Record）的创始人Brain Slagel见了一面 I come to LA to meet with Brain Slagel, head of Metal Blade Record
看看他和Metallica的鼓手Lars Ulrich是如何在这个城市开创了激流这种音乐风格的 To find out how he and Metallica’s Lars Ulrich kicks start of Thrash metal in this city
我们一天二十四小时 吃喝拉撒睡都离不开金属 We all live, breath, eat, slept 24 hours in metal
那时候金属是一种现象 是一种文化 是一种运动 It’s a scene, it’s a culture, it’s a movement
我们都在做着自己力所能及的事 但我当时不怎么会玩乐器 And we all did anything we could, but I couldn’t play instrument, I was terrible at it
所以我唯一能做的事就是 帮助他们将这种音乐展现在人们面前 So the one thing I could do was try to help, and expose this to other people
洛杉矶当时充斥着各种电台流行音乐 我实在是不喜欢 Los Angelis at that time was full of FM radio, and it wasn’t my bag
当时在Brian住的地方附近有一家叫乡村俱乐部的酒吧 有一个Michael Schenker秀 So there was a Michael Schenker show, about a place called Country Club up by where Brian Slagel lived
我就去看了那场演出 演出之后 So I went to the show, and after the show
我在停车场边上看到一个男孩 穿着Saxon欧洲巡演的T恤 There was a parking lot I saw a kid wearing Saxon European tour shirt
在那个时候洛杉矶没几个人知道Saxon是谁 Well nobody in LA at that point knows who Saxon was
所以我走向那个小孩 问他“你是在哪里搞到的这件衣服？” So I went up to the kid and said “where did you get that T-shirt?”
他说他刚从欧洲回来 去看了那场演出 “I just moved to here from Europe” you know, “I’m in the scene”
我当时就激动地说“我也去看了！” I was like ”oh my god I was in there too!”
Brain想做一张洛杉矶本地的重金属音乐的合辑 Brian was modular in the making and he wanted to make a combination record of the local heavy metal bands
我和老詹（James Hetfiled）带着我们屎一样的磁带就去了 And me and Hetfiled drove up with our little shittey cassettes
当Brain听到我们粗糙录制的Hit the Lights时 他居然忍住了没吐出来 He did a good job Brain held up from vomiting as he was hearing our really bad recorded version of Hit the Lights
结果Hit the Lights成为了第一张金属大屠杀的压轴曲目 And Hit the Lights ended up on the first of Metal Massacre album
虽然在“Mettallica”里多写了一个“t” Even if there was a additional “t” in the spelling of “Mettallica”
这也许就是Metallica的开始 That was sort of how Metallica got started way back
Metallica发表在金属大屠杀合辑上的Hit the Lights 标志着激流金属的开端 Metallica’s song Hit the Lights on the Metal Massacre combination marked the beginning of Thrash metal
然而在八十年代早期 洛杉矶却以另一种截然不同的金属风格而闻名 But in early 80s, LA was known for a totally different style of metal
华丽金属 Glam Metal
那么这两种金属风格是怎样在同一个屋檐下共存的呢？ So how did these two styles of metal coexist?
你必须得选择一个阵营 要么是Glam党 要么是Heavy党 You had to be on one corner or the other, you’re either in the Glam Metal category, or you’re in the heavier category
Heavy派只会越来越重 像Metallica Omen The heavier category just kind of got heavier and heavier, like Metallica, Omen and…you know,
还有Bitch 和之后的Slayer Bitch, and then Slayer came after that
那些华丽金属们把自己打扮地跟个外星人似的 The way those hair bands present themselves was just alien dose
我们就是想跟Ratt对着干 跟Poison对着干 We wanna be the anti-RATT, anti-POISON
我听过一些有趣的说法 你们在早期的时候也化妆不是吗 Funny story I heard to is that you guys did wear a lot of make-up
没错 但是你要知道 我们当时毕竟是在洛杉矶 你得化点妆才行 Yeah we did, but that’s part of LA, you gotta wore make-up some sort
我们也不想那样 我们不像Alice Cooper那样 眼线和恶魔元素是必需品 We didn’t want to present ourselves like that, sort of like eyeliners and demons, not necessarily Alice Cooper
我们这是和洛杉矶的华丽金属们对着干 But the antithesis what was happening in LA
好吧 Slayer是化过妆 Yeah Slayer wore make-up ok
但是我们只是像Ozzy那样 学他画点黑色眼线啥的 But we just wore black eyeliners, which we’re doing was a copy of Ozzy
因为在当时 那样看起来显得很邪恶 Because at the time it looked evil
不过没过多久之后我们就确信 我们不需要那些玩意儿 But it wasn’t long after that we were convinced that we didn’t need that
传说激流金属与华丽金属之间是对峙的关系 这是真的吗 In the folklore suggesting that animosity between Hair and Thrash metal…
那不是传说 那是事实 That’s not folklore, that’s real
因为华丽金属乐队追求的是一种艳俗的东西 Because hair band stood for a “glam”
我觉得这种东西就像是骆驼背上的寄生虫 I looked that like glam is fleas on the camel’s balls
而激流就像是杀虫剂 And Thrash was kind of like a flea bam
Motley Crue Ratt Steeler等等 这些乐队所表现的一切都是我们所反对的 Motley Crue, Ratt, Steeler, so on…these sort of bands present everything that we were against
他们把自己当成日落大道的主宰者 They were like the king of the Sunset Strip
所以我们很难在那个圈子内闯出自己的天下 It was not easy try to force our way into that whole set-ups
我们非常孤独 可以说1982年在洛杉矶的Metallica是非常孤独的 It was very lonely, I can tell you it was very lonely to be Metallica in LA in 1982
而且在当时也没有很多人喜欢我们做的音乐 And there was not a lot love the type of thing that we were doing
所以我们开始在旧金山演出 三到四周演一次 So we started playing some shows up in San Francisco, every three or four weeks
然后奇妙的事情发生了 我们立刻有了一群粉丝 And instantly things start happening, we got following
所以我们收拾好我们的东西 辞掉白天的正常工作 So we packed up our shit and finished our day jobs
从1983年二月初开始 我们就长期在旧金山定居了 And we were in San Francisco permenately from early February in 1983
你们在不同的城市 听众们的反应是一样的吗？ Are your fans react to different things and place that you play?
自从来到旧金山之后 这里的氛围真是好多了！ Up in San Francisco there’re a lot better!
好太多了！ A lot better!
洛杉矶屎的一逼 - 太屎了 -There’re shit in LA - Shit yeah
L.A.挫爆了 来一二三一起说 LA sucks, one two three…
L.A.挫！爆！了！ LA SUCKS!!!
八十年代早期 旧金山湾区的地下金属圈一直在不断地发展 There’s more underground metal scenes developing in the bay area during the early 80s
但是直到Metallica在1983年来到湾区之后 激流大潮才真正开始爆发 But it wasn’t until Metallica arrived in 1983 that Thrash started to explode
我记得 我们当时全都去伯克利看了Metallica的演出 I remember we all went to see this band Metallica play at the Berkeley
我一进去 整个人都懵逼了 And walked in I just…boo!
我这辈子都没见过那种阵势 那些观众的表现 简直把我吓尿了 Never saw that energy in my life, I was just like… the crowd just scared me
那种音乐太特么刺激了 比我之前听过的所有朋克和金属都重的多了 It was terrible charge to music, it was muck heavier than all the Punk and metal that I heard together
旧金山非常迎合这种重型音乐 San Francisco was so embracing of this heavy music
Metallica不喜欢在洛杉矶的经历 And Metallica felt that exceptance from this crowd of hungry metalheads up here
但旧金山的金属党们这种躁动的热情的确让他们刮目相看 That were really affected by what was happening in LA at the time
说到湾区的观众们 我记得我第一次和Slayer同台演出的时候 People in the Bay Area, you know, the first time I play with Slayer you know
那些眼线……在我们的演出里 那些狗屎都必须得消失 That…eyeliners, that shit has to go just to play a show without Exodus
因为我们的粉丝拒绝这些屎逼玩意儿 Coz our fans were not gonna stand for it
他们爱死了Slayer 但是如果你是在Exodus的主场上 你就不能化妆 They love Slayer, but you can’t wear make-up in an Exodus show
旧金山是一个完全不一样的世界 这里的氛围和外面完全不同 It was just a whole different universe there, I mean a whole different vibe
大家都很有激情 这里的小孩子 都像我们一样穿着牛仔裤和皮夹克 It was passion, kids were like us, there were just kids in Danny and jackets
我们立刻就融入了进去 觉得自己特别像……回家了一样 We just instantly fit in, and we felt so…home
我们就像一群狐朋狗友 It was like a small pack of dogs
我们这群乐队 有Forbidden Exodus Death Angel Testament… All of us bands like Forbidden, Exodus, Death Angel, Testament…
一共有二十多支金属乐队 我们就像一群狂暴的狗一样 你懂的 There’re 20 metal bands you know, so it’s like a pack of turbulent dogs
我们一起聚会 一起演出 一起谈论着共同的话题 And we were all at the same party, same shows, and talk about the same things
Ruthie’s Inn成了人们的麦加圣地 Ruthie’s Inn became the Mecca for people to go to
不管那里有什么样的演出 无论是朋克还是金属 No matter what was playing, whether it was Punk or Metal
每天晚上那里都挤满了金属党和朋克那群小孩 Every night it will be full of metalheads and kids of Punk
这个小小的场地也成为了联系这两个音乐流派的一个纽带 And this little place became the marriage of the two genres
我认为湾区没有得到它应有的名分 I think one thing that Bay Area doesn’t get enough was all this recognitions
它才是在美国第一次出现crossover的地区 而不是纽约 for actually being the first crossover region in America, not New York
如果你回头看看Ruthie’s Inn以前的海报和宣传单 很多上面都写着金属乐队与朋克摇滚一起演出 If you look back some of the old rookies and flyers, there’re constantly like metal bands playing with Punk rock guys
我们有次见到了这种东西 那上面说这叫“跨文化事件” We saw it one time, it was called “cross-culture event”
我们和朋克乐队一起演出的时候 那些传单上面都写着“跨文化事件” It was said on the flyer “cross-culture event”, and it was like us and the Punk bands
关于激流与朋克还有硬核的融合 一件最重要的事情 One of the hugest thing I think about Thrash metal and the cross with Punk rock and Hardcore
我认为是金属演出的氛围改变了 is the way that the vibe of the metal show changed
在激流演出中 基本上都是Mosh和跳水 你懂的 Thrash was the win metal discovered moshing basically and discovered stage diving you know
在一场Slayer的演出中 你感觉就像是在发生暴乱的监狱里一样 In a Slayer’s show, it was like being caught in the prison
在之前你去看金属演出 你可能就是甩甩头 Before you go to a metal show, you might be like head banging, you know
挥挥拳头 比个金属礼什么的 Maybe raise your fists, flash the horns
但是看激流金属演出 你要做的第一件事就是把眼镜取下来放家里 But you know Thrash show, first thing of the Thrash show is if you’re wearing these,
因为它绝逼会碎掉 leave it at home, coz it’s certainly broken
我从八十年代开始就听起了激流 I’ve listen to Thrash metal since the early 80s
我得到的第一张湾区的小样是Legacy（Testament的第一张Demo） The first demo tape I got from the Bay Area was the first Legacy demo
我从一本叫Mega Force的杂志上的Penbangers板块上看到的 And I heard about it in a magazine called Metal Forces, through the section called Penbangers
Penbangers的意思就是金属党的“笔友” Penbangers was like pen pal for headbangers
我通过磁带交换得到了那张小样 And I got the demo through tape trade
在互联网时代 人们是无法理解以前那种音乐杂志和乐迷杂志下面的交换信息的 In the era of the internet, people would no understand getting magazines and zins that had in the bottom
你写上你想要的四五个乐队的名字 然后写上你的地址 Tape trade into...and you name like 4 or 5 bands, and you give your address
然后就有人给你寄来他们的磁带 作为回应你也寄给他们一些磁带 And people will send you tapes, you send them tapes
不为钱财 也没有什么利益关系 You didn’t ask for money, you didn’t expect anything
你坐在那里写信 You just sat down and wrote a letter
哈哈 你能想象一下吗 Hhh…can you imagine
然后把磁带放进信封 每天来个37次 And you put the cassete tape into the…and redone it 37 times
也许很难想象吧 it’s probably hard to know what’s going on
但音乐就是那样传播开的 But that’s how the music got all around
你跟别人分享你的收藏 你也能认识到很多新的乐队 The way you could share the stuff and find about new bands and the good stuff got lots of main checks
多亏了那些信 才能让好的东西被广为人知 Pen pla letters that will set the root to each other
这是一种失传已久的艺术 It’s a long lost art
我们会寄出一些我们的现场演出的磁带 We’re already sending out live tapes of us
之后又寄了Kill As One的小样 And from that we’re sending the Kill As One demo
我们演出的时候 人们都为之癫狂 他们觉得Kill As One是一种新型的激流 很甩 And we hit the stage, and people were yelling and they think Kill As One was a new Thrash, it’s crazy
这都得感谢地下磁带交换 才促成了这一切 And this was all from underground tape trading, which made the thing
这是金属迷特有的交易网络 It was the organic metal internet
通过磁带交换 激流金属在整个美国和全世界都有了自己的歌迷群体 Through tape trading, Thrash metal fanbase were staring to grow across America and around the world
当Metallica的“No Life ‘til Leather”出现在纽约郊区的跳蚤市场上时 And when Metallica’s “No Life ‘Til Leather” demo landed in the flea market suburds in New York
激流金属签下了与大厂牌Megafore唱片的第一份合约 Thrash metal got its first record deal through five star label, Megaforce Records
我第一次听到Metallica的时候 是Phil刚从旧金山回来到我们店里 First time when I heard Metallica when Phil coming to our store, just came back from San Francisco
他在那里看了Metallica的演出 还拿回来一些磁带 He saw them in the pub, and he took some tapes from the show
我和Marsha第一次听的时候都震惊了 The first time that we heard it, you know, Marsha and I were both shocked and stoned
它是如此的硬派 有力 It just has such balls…and such guts
我记得我当时的感觉是“我勒个去！” I just remember being blown away by…just “holy shit!”
美国当时还没有真正的重金属 America didn’t have a way of Heavy Metal really
Metallica显示了美国之声的一大进步 Metallica show the answer that it was like a new improvement of American sound
他就是那些传奇人物之一了 He was one of those legendary
他听说了我们之后 放下了手头的工作 然后跑到电话亭那边 He hears and drops what he was doing, runs to the pay phone
给我打了个电话 虽然只是几分钟 但我感觉我们谈了很久 Calls me, and within a few minutes there’s just as long as booming
他说 “来吧 我们好好地做一张全长度的完整专辑吧” And it’s “come on, let’s make a record together, the whole nine yards”
所以你们当初创办了Megaforce是因为没有别的厂牌愿意签下Metallica吗？ So you started Megaforce coz no one would sign Metallica?
是的 没人愿意 没人知道该拿他们如何是好 Nobody wanted Metallica, nobody know what to do with them
我们问了当时所有的主流厂牌 他们都没有听说过这种音乐 不知道该拿它怎么办 We went to all the majors, and they just didn’t know what to make that…what to do with that
我也不知道 但是我就是觉得这张专辑有戏 So I don’t know I just believe in that record
我们每天都待在录音室里面 对它可以说是了如指掌 我们对它很有信心 We spent every minute in the studio, we knew it inside out, we really believe it
这是我们的第一张专辑 由Megaforce唱片发行的 It’s our new Album out of Megafore Records
它叫Kill ‘Em All！ It’s called Kill ‘Em All!!!
我们很高兴今晚来“杀”死你们！ We’re glad to kill all of you tonight
谁想要它？ Who wants this record?
八十年代早期 很多激流乐队都发行了他们的独立专辑 In the early 80s, many Thrash bands released independent records
这种趋势已早已扩大到了湾区之外 And the scene was expanding beyond the Bay Area
但是在1984年8月 Metallica Anthrax和Raven一起同台在纽约的玫瑰园舞厅演出 But in August 1984, Metallica, Anthrax and Raven played in NY Roseland ball room
才真正将激流金属从地下 Bringing Thrash out of the underground
带到了主流厂牌的面前 And onto the radar of major labels
“Deathrider”开场的时候 那场面太让人震惊了 It’s incredible when I get on the stage and open our show of “Deathrider”
三千个人在那里一起甩头 see 3000 kids all…all headbanging
唱着我们歌里的歌词 简直让人难以置信 and singing the words to our songs and, we couldn’t believe it
简直太疯狂了 我们可是辛辛苦苦工作了三年多才拼到这个地位 it’s insane, it was the combination of 3 years’ hard work to that point
一周七天日以夜继地排练 就是为了眼前这一切能够发生 and rehearing 7 nights a week and just blasting our asses, just trying to make this happen
我们宣传了那场演出 we promoted that show
当时来了3500多人 there’re 3500 people
不光是唱片公司的人 and everybody there was all from other records
他们必须得坐在那里 听着这些闻所未闻的乐队们在舞台上进行表演 and they had to sit there, and seeing these people who’re never heard of
激烈的音乐声响起 观众们也如此的疯狂 plays such … and the crows was…nuts
当James拿着话筒 对着台前的所有人说道“猜猜是谁回来了” and when James grab that microphone and faces the crowds and says “guess who’s back in town”
你整个人都炸了 you were like “boom!”
那在当时算是一场非常大的演出了 it was a big show up to that point
是我们所参加过的阵容最大的一场 it was the biggest show that any of us has been boarding
然后一个无比和蔼的人就出现在了我们的后台 and a friendly guy just show up in our backstage
脸上挂着大大的微笑 and got big smiles on his face
我抄着小道来到了后台 想办法穿过了保安和一切障碍物 I just made B-lines to the backstage, went pass security, went pass everything
娴熟地敲开了他们后台休息室的门 Practically knocked the door of the backstage,
然后他们也知道我非常热爱音乐 而且我在主流厂牌工作 they knew that I was excited about music and I worked for major label
他……我的天 他想让Metallica跟Elektra唱片签约 我勒个去 And he…God bless he wanted to sign Metallica to Elektra Records, imagine that
和大厂牌签约 那可是人生一大幸事啊 That was the biggest thing in the world, the idea of signing to the major label
那简直就是美梦成真啊！ Like…you know, that’s a fucking dream come true
Raven和Atlantic签了约 Metallica和Elektra签了约 Raven got a deal with Atlantic, Metallica got their deal with Elektra
而我们依然在Megaforce 我们没有被签 We’re still on Megaforce, we didn’t get a deal yet
虽然在那晚我们被看上了 但知道几个月之后 我们才得到了正式的签约 Although we got scaled that night, it just took a couple of months, you know, for us to get signed
不过的确 当晚在玫瑰园演出的三支乐队 基本上都签到了大合同 But yeah you can basically say all 3 bands signed their major deals from playing that Roseland show
突然间很多大厂牌都很好奇 “发生了什么？” All of a sudden all major labels became “hey what’s going on here!”
他们看到这些签约之后 When people saw all the records
自己也想插一脚进来 We should be involved in this
Slayer开始变得炙手可热 当时很多大厂牌都争着抢着要签他们 Slayer started to become pretty big, and major labels were coming upon like crazy
最后他们签了个说唱厂牌 And you know they actually signed with a rap label
但是他们与大厂牌的合作 But after Slayer get signed with a major label
标志着他们事业的又一步提升 it’s like woo it’s a great thing for these guys to take to the next step
从Metal Blade到Def Jam 你认为这个转变之间发生了什么样的变化？ How do you think changes from, you know, transition from Metal Blade to Def Jam
我们得到了一辆巡演大巴 We got a tour bus
然后开着它四处去演出 You know we were traveling around with that van
开着大巴巡演是在太奢侈了 酒店当然不错了 Getting into a tour bus was luxury, hotel was much nicer
但是酒店不适合我们 每次最多待上几个小时就得离开了 We won’t stay in a hotel coz we went hourly
那真是一段疯狂的岁月 It was kind of a crazy time
我们还没有适应这种节奏 又接着加快了节奏 I don’t think we slow down long enough before we take it in
突然之间 我们吃的更好了 喝的更好了 我们很喜欢这样 All of a sudden we eating and drinking better, we like it
有个经理打开了他的抽屉 对我们说“我们到了！” 然后我们看到了一坨可卡因 One of the executers opened his drawers and we saw a mere of Cocaine and, “we’re arrived David!”
当时我们相视一笑 互相击了个掌哈哈 We’re doing something like yeah! High five!
然后他们给了我一瓶香槟 和耐克的高帮鞋 And then gave me a champagne and bucks of Nike high tops
所以当你去看我们以前的照片 你会看到我们衣衫不整 穿着破破烂烂的牛仔裤和T恤 That’s why you looked in our pictures, we’re in rotten blue jeans and dirty disgusting T-shirts
但我们总会穿着一双崭新的鞋子 But God damn it we got brand new shoes
以前我们穿着旧鞋子 而现在他们给了我们全新的耐克耶！ We had old Kappas, and they gave us brand new Nikes!
八十年代中期 激流正在蓬勃发展 By the middle 80s, Thrash was flourishing
在大厂牌的支持下 Backed by major labels’ support
激流乐队们开始了他们的世界巡演 Thrash bands were touring the world
同时也发行了很多牛逼的最具有影响力的专辑 Creating their biggest, boldest and most influential records
很多人都认为激流金属在这张专辑上达到了它的巅峰 Commentating that many consider the greatest Thrash record of all time
那就是Slayer的“Reign in Blood” Slayer’s “Reign in Blood”
这张专辑是激流金属的一次崭新的革命 That album revolutionized the sound of Thrash metal
我们当时想要找到自己的声音 而找到自己的声音就是那张专辑的关键所在 We were trying to find ourselves at the time, and finding our sound was the key to that record
我不是很有意地去比较 I mean, I don’t want to make any comparison
不过那张专辑和AC/DC的High Way to Hell一样充满了魔力 But that record has magic like AC/DC’s High Way to Hell
那张专辑里有一些很特别的东西… Well that album, there’s something about it
就像有生命一样 It has some kind of…life to it
我们是Mercyful Fate和Venom的粉丝 We were such fans of Mercyful Fate and Venom
我们知道 一张专辑要是没有混音就太可怕了 We didn’t know you can do a record without mixure
Andy和Rich Ruben把每一首歌 每一个乐器都从头到尾地 And Andy and Rich Ruben put every song, every instrument right here
记在了脑子里 From beginning to end
没有花里胡哨的东西 也不为了冲销量 No furs, no bills or resales
你要么喜欢它 要么讨厌它 You know it’s…here it is, you gonna like it or you gonna hate it
还好大家都挺喜欢里面的一些歌曲 And luckily there’re good songs that people like it
我们做的不是一张氛围专辑 你懂的 而是一张直接冲击你的专辑 That’s what we did on that record, you know, it’s not a atmosphere record, It’s all just right in your face
因为我当时听到的很多金属唱片 都比较单薄和低沉 Coz a lot of metal records I heard at that point, they tend to be a little thin and low
双踩的声音听起来像是打字机的嗒嗒声 And all of the double-kicks were like typewriters, like
我就是想让它听起来更重 I was hoping that the whole thing was heavier
让听众感觉自己像是变成了一个拳击袋 你懂的 And the idea was to have the listener kind be a punching bag
耳边不停地响起“邦邦邦”的声音 You know, and you hear these “bang bang bang”
这种音乐终于变成了一颗摇钱树 It was music that finally beginning to make money
对于乐队 对于唱片公司 和对于赞助商来说都是这样 For the bands, for the record company, for the concert promoters
Metallica和Slayer从这时候开始就挣了很多钱 Metallica and Slayer made a lot of money from the start
所以很自然地 其他的唱片公司也想拥有自己的激流乐队 So it became natural that the other companies want their own Thrash band
我的意思是 连Death Angel都被大厂牌签约了 I mean, you know, even Death Angel got signed with major label
自从签了主流厂牌的之后 你们有什么变化吗？ How did things change when you guys were on the major label?
我们的预算更多了 We just had much bigger budget
我们有能力去制作更多高质量的专辑 并且有了更多可以选择的方向 And we were able to create a really well produced album, and a lot more directions
我们在LA录的音 当时我们住在一间设备齐全的公寓里 We recoreded down in LA, we had a department that we lived in
我们住在一起 集中精力在做唱片上… - 全部精力集中在项目上 -We lived the whole time all together, just concentration… - focous on the projects…
是的 一项浩大的工程 很神奇 -yeah, it’s a huge way, it’s just amazing
大厂牌肯在录音 拍视频和巡演上花大钱去支持我们 去做宣传 Major labels spent a lot money to record records, do videos and…tour support, you know, promotion
这是个利滚利的过程 你会卖地越来越多 越来越多 It’s always a growing process, he get sale more and more and more
巡演越来越多 规模越来越大 出品也越来越好 Tour more, tours get bigger and bigger, better production
那就是个赚钱的好机器啊 It’s just a big growing machine
金属乐也发展地越来越强大 So metal was really, growing pretty strong
在这个好时代之中 很多乐队都做出了高水准的音乐 So many of the huge scene’s bands making really great music
他们的水平都非常高 非常牛逼 they all doing it in a really high level, doing it very well
我突然间拿到了来自Voivod的一张小样 我的天太好听了 all of a sudden I got a demo from Voivod, oh my God it’s amazing
我又收到了来自Sacrifice的小样 and then I got a demo from Sacrifice
我陆续听到了Sodom Hellhammer和Celtic Frost的音乐 I heard Sodom, Hellhammer and Celtic Frost
他们都太牛逼了！ Like “oh my God these’re all amazing!”
如果你从一个全局的角度来看 When you see that happening in the global level
就会发现到处都是高质量的乐队 you see really good quality bands from every where
这可不是在你家后院的一件事情……它无处不在 it’s like OK, it’s not just a thing in your backyard, it’s everywhere
激流现在成为了金属乐中发展最快的一个分支 Thrash was now metal’s fastest growing subgenre
激流唱片卖出了成千上万张 Thrash albums were going golden platinum
MTV也经常播放他们的MV Videos were on regular station on MTV
而他们的粉丝现在已经成为了一个全球性的亚文化 And it’s fans are now an international subculture
激流党们甚至让那些金属老炮们有了危机感 It even give threats to the old God of money run for its money
好的 你们是来看谁的？Ozzy还是Metallica？ Alright, Who you guys here to see? Ozzy or Metallica?
当然是Metallica！他们比Ozzy牛逼！ Metallica! They’re better than Ozzy yeah
他们不知道比Ozzy高到哪里去了 They blow Ozzy out of stage
Metallica! Metallica!
这就是潮流 这就是重金属 激流万岁！ New and heavy, it’s Thrash, yeah!
当我年少的时候 最大的梦想就是去看“Clash of the Titans”巡回演出 When I was a teenager, the ultimate dream tour was the “Clash of the Titans”
Anthrax Megadeth和Slayer同台演出 Featuring Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer on the same stage
这场巡演也预示着美国重型音乐的巨大转变 This tour also forecast the major transition of heavy music in America
因为暖场的乐队是未来的垃圾摇滚巨星 Because the opening band was the future Grunge superstar
Alice in Chains
有点有趣甚至讽刺的是 那场巡演中Alice in Chains仅仅是一个暖场乐队 Funny and ironic thing about that touring is Alice in Chains opened it
却在后来成为了新的主流 And they became the next stage
甚至超越了激流的巅峰时期 Bigger than Thrash ever beome
我当时没有觉察到 垃圾摇滚已经开始颠覆了我们的生活 I didn’t see Grunge things over turning life as we knew it
奇怪的是 “Clash of the Titans”的确是激流金属的一个巅峰 It’s strange because the “Clash of the Titans” tour was the peak for Thrash metal,
因为在当时那已经是最强大的阵容了 真的 Because it was the biggest we gonna get at the point, really
我们三巨头聚在一起 Anthrax Slayer和Megadeth You put the three of us together, Anthrax, Slayer and Megadeth
每场演出无论是在体育馆还是室内 都座无虚席 You put the tour in the sound of stadium or arena
但同时你必须思考的一个问题是 接下来又该怎么办？ And at the same time, where do you go from there?
当你把这个音乐做的越来越快 越来越复杂之后 接下来该何去何从？ Where would you come when you creating this incredibly fast, intrigued music
激流走向了一个死胡同 它没有一个明确的发展方向 It’s a very dead ends, it doesn’t say obviously where you go next
我觉得“Clash of the Titans”反映除了激流金属在商业上的成功 And I think the “Clash of the Titans” reflected the point where it was the most commercially popular
但同时也说明 它已经江郎才尽了 But also where it’s just running out of ideas
我认为九十年代对激流而言是个异常艰难的时代 I think the 90s were hard for Thrash metals
因为你知道的 可以玩的都已经被玩得差不多了 Because you know, basically, it has been played out
你照着同一张专辑的套路 不停地去改编改编 So many times you can rewrite the same record over and over again
你会不会觉得自己被“激流”这个标签所束缚了呢 Are you combined and constrained with that label “Thrash”?
是有那么点……不过我觉得这个标签很适合咱 Yes, I believed that label…well, it fits us very well
感觉就像是穿了一双合脚的鞋子 I think it’s like a pair of tight fitting shoes
我觉得“大屠杀”这个标签更适合咱 I think that would be much cooler for us to be manicured Megadeth after that
我们是激流乐队 但我们也不仅仅是激流乐队 It’s definitely Thrash, but it’s so much more
我们觉得没有更多的素材可以来做了 We just felt that there’s nothing more we could do
我们害怕徒有虚名 害怕停滞不前 We had a fear of reputation, and we had a fear of getting stuck
我们看到 和我们同一个时期的许多其他乐队 We saw some of the other bands of our peers
他们都在不停地重复着相同的东西 There was kind of…established a tool of elements in the same institute
我们觉得 我们不能那样 And we just felt it’s not for us
九十年代初期 激流乐队开始转变他们的声音 In early 90s, Thrash bands started to change their sound
Metallica的黑专 是乐队迄今为止 And Metallica’s black album was the band’s most successful record to date
商业上最为成功的一张专辑 was a huge commercial success
总共卖出了超过两千两百万张 Selling over twenty-two million copies
对于Enter Sandman的最高评价是 “激流金属实至名归” The first notes for “Enter Sandman”, and it said ”Thrash has now to its credit”
它成为了永远的经典 永远的 可以与任何经典作品相媲美 Classic-all-time record, all time, you know, that could compete with anything else
如果有人说黑专不是一张好专辑 那是他太吹毛求疵了 If anybody says that black album is not a good record, that’s high
我认为它棒极了 You know, I mean it’s awesome
这张专辑和其他任何流行专辑一样棒 They made record that sound as big as…any pop album
我仍然记得我第一次听到Enter Sandman的感觉 I could remember the day when I first heard Enter Sandman
哇哦 当时我就震惊了 Wow, you know, it was like blowing me away, it was all there
可是为什么我有一种被背叛的感觉？ So why did I feel betrayed?
因为……你的确是被背叛了啊！ Be…because you’re betrayed!
你知道他们做了什么！ You could feel what they did!
我的意思是 他们追求黄金销量 他们也的确得到了黄金销量 I mean, they went for the gold, they got for gold
你所谓的金属之声 在那张专辑里已经所剩无几了 But your sense of what metal was, wasn’t exactly in the sound
他们吸引了一大群根本不知道金属是什么的群众 They brought in the audience who didn’t have a clue about metal
你用“背叛”这个词…… When you use the word betrayal
那可是非常严重的 That’s a very strong word
我当然明白大家的感受……你知道的 I certainly understand what people feel…you know,
“我勒个去 Enter Sandman…Nothing Else Matters 这是个神马情况？” "oh my God, Enter Sandman…Nothing Else Matters, what happened?”
但在当时是一个明智的选择 But it was what we needed to do for our own
我告诉你 如果我们再做一张Justice for All 也会卖光的 Because if we have made Justice for All II, then that would have been sold out, I’m telling you
说实话…我不知道 怎么说呢…“搞毛啊？” Honestly I was…I don’t know, I should say “what the heck?”
简直让我大跌眼镜…这他妈是什么东西？ 简直不敢相信 Yeah I felt…I fell down the stairs, what the hell was this? Can’t believe it
当我看到Metallica向MTV的音乐营销妥协的时候 I felt that Thrash and Thrash metal was gone, when I saw it, I felt that
我感觉激流乐队和激流金属已经死了 Form of MTV style of music promotion
他们破坏了激流的哪一条规则？ What rules of Thrash did they break out of line?
抒情歌曲！ Ballads!
抒情歌曲是激流最忌讳的！它里面可能会有钢琴 还可能有小提琴 Ballads, no good, it’s against the rule! There might be keyboards, and have violins too
你不可以唱抒情歌曲 You don’t do ballads
我记得有一次和我的朋友一起去舞厅…不要问我为啥去那里 I remember go out with my buddy to some dance club, but don’t ask me why
听到了Metallica的我非常激动“那是Metallica！他们在舞厅里面放Metallica的歌！” And I’m like freaking out “this is Metallica! They’re playing Metallica in a dance club!”
这他妈到底是怎么了！这不太对啊！ What the hell was going on here! This isn’t right!
黑专发行之后 一共卖了五百万张 When the black album came out, it has sold five million copies
这便成了很多主流厂牌的一个新指标 That became for all of these major labels, the bunch mark
我们既然都有重金属乐队了 怎么样才能把他们变成Metallica？ We have heavy metal bands, how do we make them Metallica?
我们之中的很多乐队都在效仿Metallica I think many of us tried to follow that routine and road that Metallica followed
每个人都在想：如果我也像他们那样…也许能吸引很多粉丝 And everybody…you know, if we go more like that, we would gain that audience,
我们有可能 也能像他们那样成功 We might, you know, be able to follow the same career trajectory
Slayer一直保持着他们的本色 Slayer stayed true in what they did
事实证明他们是明智的 And absolutely it shows that it worked
唱片公司的确找过我们 和我们谈了谈他们希望我们接下来要做的事 Record company did come up to us and discussing what they want us to do
但我们乐队里没有一个人同意 But it didn’t set well with the guys in the band, with all of us
我们不会妥协 我们不想改变 We wouldn’t go with it, we don’t wanna change
我就是我 这就是我们的方式 这些就是我们喜欢写的歌 We are who we are, this is the way we play, this is the style of songs we’d like to write
如果你告诉我们去做些别的 If you gonna tell us to do other
你懂的 我们会让你滚远点 You know, we gonna tell you to fuck off
在增加销量和保持本色之间 This whole thing about Sold Out and, you know, Being True…all these stuffs
我觉得是存在着很大的矛盾的 因为我觉得 I feel there’s a lot contradiction in that because I felt there were
有的人专辑卖得好 是因为他们一直在做一样的东西 People being Sold Out for being the same
要做粉丝们喜欢的东西 销量才会上去 And that “selling out” is by just giving fans what they wanted
我知道Lars几年前说过这样的话 I know Lars mentioned years ago
应该说的是我们 他认为我们太默守陈规而不去做任何改变 And I think he referenced us, pining ourselves in a corner, have nowhere to go
那就是为什么Metallica能成为摇滚巨星 That’s why Metallica became the Rock n Roll
但是你说我墨守成规 我就是喜欢我这些规矩 But if I’m in my corner, I like my corner
因为它很酷 比任何事都要酷 It’s cool, more than anywhere else be
当Slayer依旧在九十年代坚守着激流的阵地 While Slayer stays the core through the 90s, maintaining their Thrash style
很多激流乐队迫于主流厂牌的压力 改变了他们音乐的风格 Many Thrash band changed their sound, bowing to the pressure of major labels
通常来说乐队加入主流厂牌之后 他们的第一张专辑会非常不错 因为他们有很大的自由度去发挥 Usually the first record in the major was pretty good, because they kind of left their own to make it
可在那之后 就会有一些人强迫你去做一些事 比如“你们还没有一首热门单曲” And after they did that, all of sudden there’re enforces like “well you didn’t have hit songs”
“你们要这样打扮……你们的MV应该这样来拍” “you need to look this way…your video need to look this way…”
我最不喜欢的一张专辑就是“Force of Habbit” 那是我们第一次把这件事当成生意来做 My least favorite album “Force of Habbit”, we actually did for the first time like career
为了迎合厂牌的口味去创作歌曲 Try to write more what I thought the label wanted
那是我第一次并非发自内心的创作 It’s the first time I didn’t write for myself
我觉得我们其他的歌都很好 The songs we think were cool out there,
但他们说“不不不 我们要给The Ballad这首歌拍MV” but they’re like “no no no, it’s The Ballad what we gonna push and do the video”
我说“啥？” And I was like “what?”
那可是个大变化 That was the big change
因为那些有钱有权的人开始指使我们去做什么样的音乐 Because there’s someone who has the money tell us what product they want us to do
应该怎么写 应该怎样去呈现 How they wanted us to write, and they wanted be presented
那是个错误的决定 That’s a wrong decision for me all on the way
我们觉得 这不是我们该有的样子 We always felt like it wasn’t quite where we suppose to be
造就一个成功的乐队 并不是因为有技术多么棒的成员 而是得有明智的决定 You know, it’s not good musicianship that makes the successful band, it’s good decision make it
很多乐队都被厂牌们扫地出门了 我们乐队也分崩离析了 你知道的 Bands were get dropped off major labels, and we were breaking up, you know,
我猜过不了多久Atlantic就要赶我们走了 It might be soon for Atlantic getting we out
对我们而言 那是一段非常黑暗的时期 感觉像是一夜回到了最初的开始 So that time was bad dark time for us and the band, because some way starts from the ending
在我看来玩乐队变成了一项义务 我再也没有兴趣了 I would say this became a job I didn’t like and I won’t do it, you know, I didn’t like it anymore
所以我回到了家 加入了PTA（家庭教师协会） So I stayed home, joined the PTA
在PTA开会的时候 把那些家长们吓得不轻 Scared the shit out of the parents at the PTA meetings
如果还能重新来一次的话 我依然会继续写那些有关杀人的歌曲 If I have to do it over again, I’m gonna just continue writing songs about killing people
九十年代中期 很多激流乐队都滞留不前了 这个音乐分支也随之沉寂 By the middle 90s, many Thrash bands have abandoned their movement, and the genre has been stagnated
这也让很多比激流更加极端的音乐风格开始崛起 This gave rise to several new subgenres that were even more extreme than Thrash
比如死亡金属 碾核 黑金属 Like Death Metal, Grindcore and Black Metal
这些风格几乎没有任何旋律可言 Styles that were completely void of melody,
充斥着高速的双踩鼓击与极端嗓 and featured blast beat drumming and ultra-low growling vocals
当你觉得激流已经消亡的时候 它正以另一种形式 在一个你意想不到的地方重新崛起 but just when you thought Thrash metal was dead, it re-emerged in a place you’d least expect
当我们开始有机会出唱片的时候 从某种程度上而言 when we started starting out, putting our records and getting the chance to record stuffs
激流就已经开始消亡了 the Thrash stuff was dying out in one way, you know
激流运动开始停滞不前 there was a big sensation in that scene
它的某种精神丢失了 there’s something there that was lost
而我们也不意图于找回那种所谓的精神 and we didn’t…we didn’t find it anymore, you know
我们没有早期激流乐队的那种豪情壮志 those eagerness in the early Thrash, it was missing for us in a way
我们也试图糅合一切我们欣赏的东西 and we were trying cooperate everything we like to what we did
Darkness Descends, Reign in Blood, Master of Puppets…
我们反复聆听这些经典的专辑 想要知道它们为什么这么牛逼的原因 We were listening to all of these classic records, trying to figure out what made them big in our hearts
我们想要做出自己的东西 同时也想在金属史上留下自己的痕迹 We try to make our own products but still you know, with this goal to be recorded, make marks
哥森堡派金属借鉴了激流的哪些元素呢？ What the elements the Gothenburg borrow from what Thrash established?
它有着激流一般的速度 Well it borrows the speed of Thrash
同时又不像传统的死亡金属那样 毫无旋律与韵律可言 And it pulls back from Death metal’s completely intimidation of melody and harmony, things like that
当激流依旧与主流金属尚有关联的时候 The Gothenburg Thrash melody death metal sound is the reputation
哥森堡旋死就已经 if you like the earlier period of metal history
对早期的金属历史做了全新的解释 When Thrash still has its connection with mainstream heavy metal
为什么让金属音乐在保持重型和极端的同时 Why is that so important to you that metal music can be pretty heavy and pretty extreme at times
依旧保持旋律感也很重要呢 But also has that melodic aspect
我想可能是 因为瑞典人喜欢民谣 而民谣就很有旋律性 I guess it’s always be something like, that Swedes like Folk music, it’s very melodic
所以旋律在我们的音乐里占有很重要的一部分 So it has been a very important part of music that we have here
如果你把你听Slayer和Metallica If you can incorporate that with the feelings you get
的那些牛逼歌曲时的感受结合在一起 when you listen to the awesome songs or great Metallica songs
我真的很喜欢那种侵略性 I really really love the aggression
它能让我燃起来 It gets me pumped up
我们写歌的时候 也想着加入一些吸引人的 上口的旋律 That feeling is we can mix that, the melodies in there, and puts some hooks in there
那是我们在创作的时候 始终贯穿的一项因素 It’s in everything we write, we always think about that
你不能只会搞节奏 你还得唱出一些美妙的旋律 You can’t always be a rhythm Based, you need to be a melody singer
当瑞典的哥森堡激流吸收了来自死亡金属的影响 While the Swedish Gothenburg Thrash scene incorporated the influence of Death Metal
就像是让金属回归了到了激流特有的本质 It is sort of taking metal back to that underlying freemen Thrash that
我们不只是最重最丑和最邪恶的乐队 我们同时也知道该怎样去玩音乐 We’re not just the ugliest heaviest meanest band, but we can actually play when we got chop
把激流金属拉回到金属板块上的 不仅仅只是瑞典的乐队 Swedish bands weren’t the only one to put Thrash back on the metal maps
在2000年早些时候 上帝羔羊（Lamb of God）一支来自弗吉尼亚州里士满的乐队 By the early 2000, Lamb of God, a band from Richmond, Virginia
成为了极端音乐史的一支新兴力量 帮助复兴了美国的激流金属 Became the next force of extreme music and help reintegrate Thrash in America
我们都是敲击运动的忠实粉丝 我们从小就听着它们长大的 We’re the huge fans of Thrash movement, that’s where we grow up upon
我们是一群生在郊区的白人小孩 We’re all kind of these suburban white kids, you know
突然发现了这种音乐 然后爱上了它 somehow find out this kind of music and felt we’re a part of something
而不是去踢足球 去打拳 Instead of playing soccer, beating on chest
我们就是这样的一群人 This is our group of people that we fit in with
我们借鉴了很多其他人的东西 像Megadeth Testament和Slayer Very much that’s where we ended at…bands like Megadeth, Testament and Slayer
老式的激流运动已经离我们远去了 我们也无法得到它们的指导 The original Thrash movement, we came long after that, and long after that support and guide
但我相信 我们是激流复兴浪潮中的一个重要的部分 But I think we’ve been the big part of revival of that movement
把二十年前不曾听过的金属之声 又再一次地带回到金属这块版图上 Bringing some of the oldest facts into the metal map that really been heard in the same way in 20 years
听到类似于上帝羔羊这种新型金属乐队做的重型音乐 你会喜欢吗 Was it exciting to hear younger bands like Lamb of God, created music that had that intensity
我很久都没听到什么牛逼的作品了 I haven’t heard anything awesome for a long time
而他们成功点燃了我的兴趣 They might just…lit my fire again
我已经休息了十二年 Having a second waken and reawakening go
而现在激流又开始复兴了 我得看看该如何重操旧业了 I just been slept for 12 years, and I gotta like give back to what I disturbed with
上帝羔羊找到我 想让我和他们一起录“Ashes of the Wake”这张专辑 The Lamb of God jag me down and ask me to play on their album “Ashes of the Wake”
然后我想 这挺有趣的 And I thought, ok this could be interesting
他来到我们的录音师 四处逛了逛 And he comes down to the studio, and he looks around
他以为我们会像他想象的那样 穿着花哨的衣服 画着浓妆 带面具啥的…… He expected us to be a bunch of dudes with glam suits, make-up and masks…
之后他说 “你们看起来……和我们没什么区别啊！我等不及要和你们一起开干了” But he’s like “you guys look…like we did!...like we’re doing it again! And I can’t wait there to do it”
知道自己仍然有影响力 知道别人还在听你的歌 这种感觉让人很激动 It’s exciting to feel like that you actually have influence, somebody was listening that all time
别人尊崇你 把你当做音乐家来看待 会让你觉得很开心 It does make you feel good, you know, how people respect you as musicians
他们告诉你 你的音乐影响了他们的音乐创作 Tell you that your music has actually something that shaping with their music
这会让你觉得 你做的一切并不是没有意义的 That make you feel like you’re doing things for a reason
那今天的Exodus怎么样呢？ Where is Exodus at today?
挺不错的！ In a good place!
我们保持着饥渴的进取心 我们干劲十足 我们可以随意嗑药 我们充满了战斗力 Bands’ are hungry, bands’ are healthy, drug free, and we’re driven and motivated
我们想证明 我们是最早干的一批人 而如今我们依旧是最棒的 To prove a point that we’re the very first to do these things, and we are the best and doing it today
你认为为什么激流能够生生不息持续到现在呢 Why do you think Thrash continues to be a viable form of music today
因为你可以去玩它 也可以选择去听它 It’s just an such amazing release to play, to listen to
而且毫无疑问地 年轻的一代人骨子里 And it’s undeniable it’s honest the generation coming up that
就有一种反叛的精神 而这种音乐给了他们反叛的理由 were intent rebellion, this genre always have some thing to it
首先 激流的歌词与当下的社会息息相关 I think the music is first and foremost lyrics socially relevant
如果你关注社会问题 你就能从中得到共鸣 If you pay attention, you get some mad of it
如果你不关心 那也没关系 你依旧能够享受这种音乐带来的冲击 You know, if you don’t care, you get some mad of it coz it’s great music
因为我们都有着最强烈的共识 We got our conclusively force out here
反叛 Rebellion
只要年轻人感到愤怒 感到困惑 不知道他们到底是一个什么角色 as long as young people are angry and confused and don’t know who they are
那么他们就会被这种音乐所吸引 永远都是这样 and that move would probably be forever that some of us get attracted
然后甩起他们的头 to the music that makes you bang your head
让你感到你的愤怒并不可怕 makes you feel that your anger is OK
你可以控制愤怒 并且同时也能很好地发泄出来 and you could deal with your anger and well express it at the same time
从这个角度来看 激流没有年龄的限制 from that aspect, Thrash is ageless
激流金属与其他更重的金属能够幸存的原因是 The Thrash stuff and the harder metal stuff survive because
当你不够幸运 选择了一个不那么受人追捧的潮流时 When you’re fortunate enough not to be part of anything that is too fashionable,
你能够坚守自己的位置 and have the opportunity to stick around
而当其他潮流褪去 as all the other fashions and things fade away
你便是那个最后留下的人 you know…it’s the last man standing