there are more dangers on a holiday in a
Tibetan monastery in southern India who
dis pay homage to the reincarnation of a
senior Lama they believe ling rinpoche
once senior tutor to the dalai lama has
been reborn and is blessing them and the
gifts they bring he's here in the form
of a five year old boy
the ceremonies have lasted all day and
in mid afternoon this remarkable infant
still behaves with the composure
expected of a high Lama those who queue
for a blessing are from many parts of
the world and many walks of life they
include Richard Gere the Hollywood film
star for 30 years scientists have
investigated other children who appear
to remember previous lives Tibetan
Buddhists say they have their own
ancient methods to precisely identify a
child like this the reincarnation of an
81 year-old Lama who died on Christmas
Day 1984 is there real evidence for
reincarnation a form of life after death
Tibetans believe senior Lamas who choose
to be reborn can be traced by an ancient
formula this includes looking for mystic
signs and the flame of a butter lamp
consulting Oracle's and astrologers and
meditation the Dalai Lama led the search
for ling rinpoche a year after
appreciates death search parties went to
various Tibetan settlements they
returned with long lists of possible
candidates and they consented people you
see gave me full I say one quite big
batch of paper the list of the name then
through my my own investigation not
there then I asked them not here even
though you see more than I think or five
hundred or something then I I told them
or it seems not here that they are
disappointed but then somehow they again
uses that to fight then near dams Allah
it is called here the one child somehow
is it it missed
the child was found in this orphanage at
Dharamsala his mother had died and his
father was too poor to support him
the infant was 21 months old the search
party said he appeared to know them one
member was a servant of the dead senior
tutor for almost 50 years
Chanda - Oh Mitch identity the members
handle some katashi
not suited and the maintenance and
address and Washington denied the trench
on batteries and are dead that's her not
her mother
yes amazing lamb sample for metallic
cherish it shall share a message
go home Italia Marie's when I tell you
tell you what he turned out darkness
turns mother in it serious and I'll
regret he family we can say sick
pastrami's the infant passed the
recognition tests he could identify
belongings of the dead monk from similar
articles he was declared a Tulku a
reincarnated Lama he was examined by the
Dalai Lama who said the child knew his
way around the palace and seemed to
recognize former colleagues and servants
the new ling rinpoche was taken to meet
the people in Dharamsala he was barely
two years old
his personality and bearing helped to
convince the Tibetans and others that he
was truly the reincarnated senior Lama
when I met the young boy the first time
right after he had been identified he
came and jumped into my arms and patted
me on the head it acted very much like
he knew me and although I did not
believe in reincarnation at the time
right what had no evidence at the time
when I met this young child I was
absolutely certain that it was him that
it was the old man who felt exactly like
it was the old man back again acting the
same way he had acted when I had seen
him which was seven years before today
this child is five years old the
orphanage is a distant memory the old
servant is now the boys guardian and
they live in a bungalow next to the
drape on the monastery at the end of
this day of ceremonies the boy now Ling
Rinpoche will become a monk
the Tibetans say they have several
children like this.i Lamas who chosen to
be reborn
the University of Virginia is the center
of research into claims by children to
remember former lives almost 3,000 cases
have been investigated by Professor Ian
Stevenson one child in five hundred
might have such memories according to a
survey in northern India but the
memories begin to fade by about the age
of six there seem to be fewer cases in
the West we do hear quite often from the
parents of Western children that they
wish they'd known about this research
when their little boy was three years
old because he was saying I used to be a
pilot and I was shot down and we told
him to stop telling fibs and now he
doesn't remember anything and we can't
say much to you about the case so some
cases are definitely suppressed in the
West but they are much more readily
found in South Asia than they are in the
United States and Canada and Western
Europe
in British Columbia Canada there are
people for whom reincarnation is an
ingrained tradition the North American
Indian they appear to be Christian but
older beliefs are just below the surface
these beliefs may have come from Asia
because the tribes are descendants of
hunters who crossed from Asia when the
continents were joined in the Ice Age in
Canada
dr. Antonia Mills continues dr.
Stevenson's researchers some claims of
reincarnation involve birthmarks perhaps
corresponding to some injury in a past
life these will be checked against
medical records dr. Mills are studied
cases in other parts of the world she
knows there are differences here in most
tribal groups the previous personality
the person who is said to be coming back
is closely related to the subject to the
child and in such cases it's very
difficult to be sure that statements
that the child might make are not based
on knowledge that the child could learn
from its parents speaking about this
person so one has to use a lot of
caution in analyzing these cases among
the congregation that Maurice town
church is 82 year old Emma Michel of the
wet sweatin tribe mrs. Michele believes
in reincarnation in this family
photograph she is aged four with her is
her brother Jimmy whose battered body
was pulled from the Skeena River his
death remained a mystery until years
later when Emma's infant grandson also
called Jeanie was playing on the floor
the Bell in the nearby church began to
toll
the boy asked his grandmother why the
bell was ringing mrs. Michelle said it
was because a neighbor was dead the
child asked who don't have created why
he dies is he hired somebody to kill me
that time that's why I'm diocese he had
a dream and to kill me that's where I am
dying to know it Daria he said any level
okay
the family believed young Jimmy was the
reincarnation of his great-uncle he
described in detail how his great-uncle
was beaten up and thrown into the river
in a dispute over fishing rights
gaffing the salmon in the merese town
canyon is as dangerous as it looks but
it's a source of status and wealth a
chief has rights here and others must
move aside
Jimmy seniors right to fish was
challenged by Donnell gray there was a
bitter quarrel ironically the
reincarnated Jimmy also died in the
Skeena River he fell or was thrown from
this cliff but his death has not ended
the cycle of rebirth there's always a
cycle that you can't stop and this is
where the reincarnation fits in another
of Emma's grandchildren Nelson is a
pupil at this lecture on the cycles of
Maya Nelson is believed to be a
reincarnation of both Jimmy's his family
say that as an infant Nelson could
remember their previous lives
he used to wish he'd been born a girl
so then there'd be less chance of ending
up dead for a third time in the Skeena
river today
Nelson's memories have faded but he used
to tell his family about his previous
lives and the car he once owned he used
to run around the car and he used to
tell my parents and he used to tell him
that this was his car and all the wheels
were flat and he used to kick them and
say this was his car who did that drill
and he was just two and a half really
little there is one all the children in
this game are said to be reincarnates
not simply because of what they remember
some have birthmarks corresponding with
marks on the dead person whose life they
spoke about newborn babies are minutely
examined for telltale signs interrupt
your card game I wanted to take a
picture of your the bump on your head
said okay this child is said to be the
reincarnation of an armed who suffered a
head wound before she died
this combination of statements by the
child birthmarks characteristics medical
conditions that relate to a previous
personality these have to be examined
very carefully and in a number of cases
the evidence is very difficult to
explain for example these cases where
the children have pierced ear marks this
is not something that would be
genetically transmitted birth marks on
the ears are similar to scars caused by
earrings worn by Chiefs in some cases a
tribal elder has had an announcing dream
saying that a chief is being reborn
an examination of the baby has then
revealed the matching earmarks
I have not been able to think of an
explanation that accounts for the
phenomena in these cases other than
reincarnation but what reincarnation is
what is being reincarnated that's of
course still a very large question
that's not fully understood
professor Stevenson has studied hundreds
of birthmarks and birth defects in
children who claim previous lives I'm
particularly interested in a collection
we have about 15 cases where there are
two birthmarks corresponding to bullet
wounds of entry and exit and forensic
pathologists know that nearly always for
new who shoot somebody the bullet wound
of entry is small and round and the
bullet wound of exit is large and
irregular in shape and that's the way
our birthmarks and about half of these
cases they correspond exactly that way
this boy was born without a right ear
but with memories of the life of a man
who was shot in the head he remembered
the previous life of a peasant farmer
this was in Turkey and went to sleep at
the end of the day on a pasture a
neighbor came along hunting rabbits and
in the twilight mistook this sleeping
peasant for a rabbit and shot him with a
shotgun at point-blank range we were
able to go to the government hospital
where the wounded man had been taken and
there we found a report showing that he
died about 10 days later of hemorrhage
in the brain and this boy had memories
of this man's life and his and his death
the skull of a Turkish Miller killed by
a blow to the back of the head with a
flower shovel this picture is from the
official post mortem report later a
child claimed to remember the Millers
life the boy had a misshapen skull
violent death occurs frequently in
Stevenson's best cases he speculates
that the
Roma of such a death may cause it to be
remembered this Burmese man recalled a
previous life as a notorious bandit who
was captured and executed for murder the
hanging was bungled suddenly had to be
hand twice and the subject who had the
memories of this brigand I was born with
a almost absent lower jaw as mandible
was exceedingly small and his mouth was
very narrow and tight so that he really
can only take liquid food and he can't
open his mouth but birth defects are the
kinds that we have in these cases are
uncommon and they're not the sort that
you find in the textbooks of birth
defects the monographs with rare
exceptions few of them are but most of
them were not in a village in northern
India in the 1970s a small boy lost the
fingers of his right hand in a father
chopping machine later the child died
but in a neighboring village the boy was
born who came memories of the dead
child's life there was other evidence to
lick pals case was investigated by dr.
Stevenson and the Indian
parapsychologist doctor sat vant
Pasricha that's your little fella didn't
keep at the other to me he apparently 12
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large l2 doesn't fit Aegina moco ISM in
shrub by a few catotti window I see
machine Friday so hard to cut you from
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saamne green young Oh topic dumb forever
on a visa Kilowog vodka - vodka - dr.
Burton uncle - becomes a it's plain
omelet not you don't you say being born
with missing fingers is very rare and
the corresponding feature in the
previous personality adds to its
importance
but the same fingers work chopped off
also there was no family history of
missing fingers and there was no such
case in the whole of village doctor
Pasricha says a weakness of the case is
that the two villages are only five
miles apart details of the dead Charles
accident could have been known in both
places
dr. Pasricha went with leg power to the
house of the dead boy inside with the
child's mother and older brother the
boys was recognized and accepted by both
backpal lives here for much of the year
so ocular thinking of the bidet imagine
your face Donna get a terrazzo be a
metallic fragments yep go buy liquor
what about you buy me buy toys you know
me Tony okay if I its generality Jeremy
totally I'll be abisco by a month hi hey
you can see Aquino get ki aapke per year
your mom got a polygon again by Fatima
cranky oh mama Peleg are they up to G
Mary pass I am I pinched our buyers have
you never imagine Lea well I you meet up
high ye ye ye a chimera venti
um creepy jaws Adam eager Mary give ni
Mary pass I said to be hari Mata di
so ocular take your comedy the mother of
the dead boy is certain lek pal is her
son and not simply because of the
evidence of his damaged and
in Bangalore dr. Farragut is an
associate clinical professor at one of
India's largest mental hospitals for 11
years
she studied evidence for reincarnation
and investigated 350 cases some subjects
have a phobia a fear that seems to come
from some incident before they were born
others have a great emotional attachment
for their previous families one of dr.
Patz reaches earliest cases was a girl
aged 2 who remembered life as another
little girl who drowned in a well this
was in a village in the same part of
northern India today in the Hindu holy
city of Brindavan Manju Sharma is a
young married woman with two small
daughters of her own Bellingham macho
male sulky the campus one getting
married when I want to do the home and
if we'll make it to Armageddon on my way
to entice alpha male around you know
purpose only
so mama ma 2007 okonomiyaki so many
pairs are medium a thousand ocean again
the cheapest agent was Megan they
invited people mother when they made it
out music was mccoggins one way of
repeating it to me today
don't let me out familiar feeling - why
mother Sonia Piazza remember today like
I say so we're gonna go through the
rally as a child man whose feelings were
so strong she insisted on living with
the dead girl's family for 10 years
critics say these children are from poor
families trying to claim a relationship
with a wealthier one Manju is the
opposite she is a high caste Brahmin who
chose to live with a pure family from a
lower caste point later in class written
India this is an unlikely relationship
Manju has divided her life between these
two families
my name is Dante now there's not see
Jessie miss about me booty yes I know I
fatty
yeah but not dr. rocky including city of
some jiggle arguments Manju has outgrown
her fear of Wells even of the place
where she believes she once drowned I
would consider this one of the strong
cases she started talking about her
previous lives when she was doing a half
and whatever she was describing her
emotions with change accordingly on
facial expression would change and
nobody I thought at that age would have
coached her to stage such a case I don't
think is any apparent motive in this
case
to sort of cook up a case and they were
not gaining anything there were no
obvious gains for the present family in
fact we had to lose their child for 10
years not all dr. Paz reaches cases were
born with memories of another life in
rural India she investigated a case of
possession a dead person who appeared to
survive by taking over the body of
someone else in May 1985 in the remote
village of sheriff pura a young married
woman
Sumitra had a seizure and seemed to die
her father saw it happening and as dr.
Lowenthal area action with arson and
sorry night panama jakarta dashing
undoes the item levitating the Rhino
yeah talk about it for me sometimes I
think you actually purchased a Bharat KC
but the baby
yo quiero connect a syncopation I know
Chardonnay signifies envy telephone
watch it correctly focus can bully bully
me fart para terminar Italian link
between people
Casali DTV oppose hear me Raghava we
went to communication throughout appear
dipt
Jakarta Sumitra insisted she was visco
Shiva a young housewife whose death was
reported in some newspapers her body
with head injuries was found beside a
railway near her home but Shiva had been
murdered claim Sumitra and her in-laws
and try to make it look like suicide
there was some effort to bring the
husband's family to trial for murder but
there wasn't enough evidence to prove
the charge
Shiva's father heard about the girl in
the remote village who claimed to be his
daughter
and went to see her the girl recognized
him immediately and spoke in detail of
Shiva's life she convinced him he wants
his daughter hola Maria su viaje I'm
leakage of it not at lot interest never
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will see everyone de kercadiou my nerve
I've caused you Tolliver Thalia tourism
open with a joke upon write my name
Kaja was made Rekha was sickly
yeah you need a honey game amigo was
Nakata mummy any I'm negative or any
very old lady's discipline was awarded
you have illegally Rihanna just given me
because even people email me today for
comment in other day kid come round for
tea and then I'm Betty oh hey Jackie
mummy mummy caramel any much doctor
Pasricha check Sumitra statements
against published accounts the girl gave
16 facts about Shiva's life not
mentioned in any press reports
Sumitra identified 22 relatives of the
dead girl from photographs
five years after Sumitra allegedly
became possessed by Shiva we called
unannounced at the isolated village
where Sumitra lives
Sumitra agreed to talk to us but made it
very clear she was as certain as ever
about her inner identity acharya bush
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case the jnana Jupiter we gotta
okay Barry bellybutton Shukur no team is
named so many barge a bunch of India
made without you okay bar wasabi she
were you huh orchestra man jungle metro
keyboard meet my birth name woman in
Mallika by Barry
she woke you about able to to make a
caregiver anything yes a but fancy
do but chain movie have done to our
church Hodges there's a cotton we to go
with men without yet doctor Pasricha
also found evidence of changes in
personality and behavior
Sumitra the barefoot village girl who
never went to school has become more
like Shiva the educated daughter of the
school teacher after the change award
she started wearing a saree in a
different way very dignified way and
also far chapels
Sandlin she'll put on and she started
addressing her husband also in a
different way early she used to call him
by his sister's name so and so's brother
then she started calling him in a very
sophisticated way and also now she
started writing before the change where
she could not do anything means she
could barely read and write but after
they change over she could write
sentences and she could speak also I
mean she could read written Hindi
dr. Pasricha and her colleagues
recognize that where reincarnation is
taken seriously people often have a more
tolerant view of unusual behavior they
have different ideas about the makeup of
human personality or people something
more than the combination of genes and
the family environment just think of the
way the average western parent regards
his or her child it's exactly the same
as one regards an automobile and scum
off a factory line there was nothing
before these bolts and bits and pieces
of the car were assembled and painted
and that is the standard view that
Western parents have of their children
they make the child the attitude is
quite different in countries where
there's a belief in reincarnation there
there is this third component of some
existence before the conception of the
current body as they would see the
matter so the child bears some
responsibility for what he does and says
and how he how he develops
the island of Sri Lanka in the Indian
Ocean has provided some of the best
cases for researchers Buddhism is the
main religion and reincarnation widely
accepted investigators try to obtain
untainted evidence their aim is to
record a child's memories of another
life before anyone knows the identity of
the dead person the child is talking
about several important Sri Lankan cases
have been investigated by professor
elendor harrelson of the university of
iceland he's with us Joe Rankin
researcher Godwin Samer Arachne they've
come for a further meeting with
six-year-old Dellucci for the past 3
years this little girl has been talking
about a previous life as a small child
in a district 70 miles away a life that
ended when she fell in a river and
drowned my birthday money money did look
she still remembers another set of
parents and brothers and sisters
a Colombo newspaper had published - look
she's memories before any previous
personality was discovered the story was
read by the father of a dead girl who
said - look she's account of a drowning
matched the life and death of his
daughter she Romy
the reporter took tulip she to the home
of the drowned girl where she made
several recognition as Mia Matata caper
oddness abode RIA Yakko non-corporate a
sahaja yog a UNT Amma a Gotama yoga
media the last name is schooling about
it Polina Kali Pahadi capital L pencil
yoga Miyagi it's reporter L Omega and
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motorboating ohon nadiavinny MD sell
American doctor as you know people trace
on the handle me mastery of asana handle
apini ya young they selectively history
we filmed another reunion between
Dellucci and the dead girl's parents
before the newspaper brought them
together these families were quite
unknown to each other they lived in
widely separated parts of the island and
are still a little shy with each other
on a previous visit Jeremy's father Abe
look she a silver whistle to match his
own the first time to look she met
Jerome his mother she said mother I come
home at last
the reporter abbey parlor said the look
she had recognized some of the dead
girls toys and books according to
professor Harrelson this was useless as
a scientific test but your Emmys
possessions should have been mixed up
with objects that had not belong to her
as it was anything that the look she
pointed to could be taken as recognition
of something belonging to sure owe me 10
year old Jeremy had drowned in this
river near her home a year before the
look she was born
look she led the way to the river bank
and showed where she remembered falling
in and striking her head on a rock it
was the exact spot where she Romy
drowned in 1983 when de look she visited
here for the first time with the
reporter avid halle she identified the
same place the look she had further
stated that there had been a footbridge
across the stream and and close to that
footbridge was her father's paddy fields
and when we think of she Romy her father
mr. Rana Sanga he had he owns these
paddy fields there had in fact been a
footprints here over the stream so all
these statements concerning their stream
as they fit the life of Shiro me part of
the luckiest story was verified during
filming up she remembered a shop near
she Roma's home run by a youth known as
thin boy the only liquor shop had been
closed for years one of us a Harrelson
stopped to take pictures unexpectedly
found himself being introduced to
something so this is there's a thin boy
in one this is him Molly he money yes we
used to have the shop here I mean if
anything I had except what he said a
bonus for professor Harrelson was that
the thin boy remembered the drowned girl
Jeremy she used to come into his shop
Harrelson regards this as a strong case
in a tropical downpour in Sri Lanka the
father escorts his daughters home from
school
ten-year-old subbu sheeny as a fierce
storms hearing another downpour when she
was three the terrified child told her
parents about a land slip on a
mountainside during a thunderstorm it
was on a tea plantation where she said
she had a different father and mother
Sue moschini no longer has these
memories only a fear of stones
her mother remembers what she says I'm
not if that had hit her son Miyagi
arrestor Lahaina go tell me can discover
Niko fired up together it would do to
goddess as they're in a coma I'm
Michaela
bucatini satya ke no Hara Condor Athena
de Laval on declare it was say Mia sad
side they did not wish to achieve a
certain area tower he attained a bottom
up yo cojiro a diverse amount will agree
Tarawa is money deposit work and who
torture that frankly Evita when Suba
sheeny was three she demonstrated to her
parents
how tea was picked she described the
bushes in detail over non row where she
lives
she said the tea pickers for Tamils
except for her own family of single ease
Buddhists they lived in lines which her
middle-class parents didn't understand
but lines are the tea workers name for
their Terrace shacks they lived in
Kampala 60 miles away
Stephenson's researchers found there had
indeed been a disaster on a tea
plantation at Kampala two years before
sue machinee was born there was
lightning and thunder and at about that
8 p.m. the rocks above this came down
with mud than water and it slipped down
here covering all these line rooms half
the line rooms and it went down below
about 200 to 250 yards below
I think about 28 people died on
but unfortunately we were able to
recover only 413 body documents from the
disaster inquiry confirmed that the
victims were Tamils except for one
family of single E's Buddhists they had
a seven-year-old daughter devi Malika
who seem to match super-shiny statements
what happened to that family there were
five living at that time in that house
all were killed these two who survived
were outside on that special day
Devi Malika has a surviving brother and
sister submission his first visit here
is abandoned when the child became
hysterical with fear later she met these
two and they believed she is their
sister reborn Devi Malika's body was
never recovered some of Suba she need
details of life on this tea plantation
were unverifiable but the researchers
say 25 of her 32 statements match the
life of devi Mallika along with the
other cases is this story of convincing
evidence for reincarnation I think where
the evidence says led us is that whereas
formerly a belief in reincarnation
depended on religious traditions
scriptures for certain countries oral
traditions for others now at least one
can point to evidence and the evidence
is not flawless every case has some
weakness or other but there is an
accumulation of quite strong evidence
from I would say 100 cases even for
those hundred cases there are
alternative possibilities of
interpretation but reincarnation is
certainly plausible I would say in some
cases it's for me the most compelling
interpretation even though it's not the
only one
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