本周我们回到欧洲 This week's episode takes me back to Europe.
探索重金属乐的一大分支 to explore metal's most over-the-top sub-genre.
力量金属 Power metal.
力量金属最特别的是高音量 Power metal is known for its high vocals,
史诗般的旋律和龙与地下城这样的乐队名 epic song arrangements and dungeons and dragons like band names
比如战神乐队 雷神之锤和瞎眼卫队 like Manowar, Hammerfall and Blind Guardian.
这是欧洲极为流行的一种重金属乐 It's a metal style that's hugely popular in Europe.
它似乎继承了传统重金属乐的一切特点 It seems to bear all of the hallmarks of traditional heavy metal.
但奇怪的是 我对它感觉非常陌生 But oddly, this sub-genre is completely alien to me.
力量金属到底是什么 So what exactly is this thing called Power metal?
为什么它如此神秘 Why has the style remained so mysterious?
乐视音乐字幕组独家制作 听译&时间轴：Claire Tsai / bezeor 总校对：Sese
金属进化论
对力量金属的探索 My exploration of power
领我深入斯洛文尼亚腹地 metal takes me deep into the heart of Slovenia.
阿尔卑斯山东边的欧洲小村 A tiny European country on the eastern edge of the Alpes.
斯洛文尼亚是金属乐露营 Slovenia is home to metal camp and
和力量金属年度三日庆的老家 annual 3-day celebration of all things power metal.
奥地利美丽的重金属乐记忆 Beautiful heavy memorial from Austria.
奥地利重金属乐之王 Austrian metal emperor.
向力量荣光与智慧之美致敬 For all that glorious strength, beauty and wisdom.
我们试图理解力量金属的本质 We're trying to understand what the hell power metal is,
因为我完全不知道它是什么 coz when I grew up, I didn't know what this is.
它没有在加拿大出现过 It didn't exist in Canada.
你怎么描述力量金属 How would you describe power metal? The sound of it.
女人 Girlish?
参加狂欢的人大多都有女朋友 Lots of people who go to festivals have girlfriends.
他们需要一个场合秀恩爱 And they need a band to show the girlfriend to...
顾名思义 就是人们能跟着喊叫的音乐 It's call power metal, because everybody can scream with it.
短促有力的强音和高亢的嗓音 Strong and fast music with very high vocals.
那为什么不直接就叫重金属乐 So why isn't it just called heavy metal?
你怎么定义力量金属 How would you define power metal?
它是什么 What is it?
简单的旋律 Very easy melodies,
快乐的旋律 very happy melodies.
你能跟唱的旋律 So melodies that you can sing along.
有些人始终把力量金属叫做快乐金属乐 Some people still call melodic power metal happy metal.
歌者盛装打扮 It's playing dress-up.
这是种吵闹 招人烦而又有趣的音乐 This loud, obnoxious, fun music,
这是用螺栓和钢之类的东西做的盔甲 the studs and armor plating and stuff like this.
而这也正是它有趣的一个原因 And that does part of the fun.
唱力量金属就得把所有人带入气氛 Power metal... you want to get everybody involved.
每一个上台演唱的力量金属乐队 Every power metal band that enters
都希望观众跟他们一起唱 the stage wants the audience to sing along with them.
对乐队而言 能让观众跟着唱 It's more important than to
要比让观众跟着音乐甩脑袋或拥有一个空气吉他手重要得多 bang the heads or to you know play air guitar.
你能看到观众高举双手跟唱 You see the crowd locked in arm singing along.
在力量金属演唱会 无论是即兴演唱 独唱 It's not an embarrassing thing to be singing
还是说唱 跟唱都不丢人 along to riffs or solos or lyrics at a power metal show.
现场的情况就像大酒馆 It's like a big beer hall,
或者足球场那样 soccer hall chancellor sort of situation.
力量金属一个很大的特点就是这种疯狂的跟唱 Strong element of power metal is this joyous sing-along.
对歌手而言 观众跟你在一起的感觉很重要 It's important to have that feeling of the crowd being with you.
我们写歌的时候 满脑子都是这个想法 When we compose songs, this is what we have in mind you know.
这歌得接地气 You wanna have a sort of
让观众能跟唱 sing along which people easily can relate to.
很神奇的 你办的演唱会上 It's amazing you know. You start playing a show,
观众们一字不落的在跟唱 and everybody in the audience singing every single word.
直到现在我依旧会因此而无比亢奋 And it still gives me goose bumps you know.
就像有魔力一样 It's... it's pure magic.
在人们去德国酒吧喝了十杯啤酒之后 When people go out to a pub in Germany and they have ten beers.
他们能唱的东西必须简单 The stuff they can sing must be very simple.
旋律要尽可能简单到人人都能附和 As melodic as possible so everybody can join in.
这种音乐被称为 施拉格尔 And that's what we call "Schlager".
每个德国人都是听着它长大的 Everybody in Germany grew up with that stuff.
你能看到盛装打扮 You see people who are dressed
衣服上带齿轮等东西的人 up and daddle gear and all of this kind of things.
这与我们的历史有着莫大的关系 It has to do with our history.
人们穿着复古 People looking back to
是因为他们信仰传统 their traditions because they believe in them.
因为复古装很帅 Because it's just cool to show.
瑞士人和挪威人是金属乐的头号粉丝 If you think of Swedish or Norwegian are metal fans,
维京人当真是热爱他们的历史 Vikings are really part of their history.
满是刀光剑影的历史 A history of hordes and swords.
你听过的那些奇怪的关于欧洲炼金术的故事都是这么开始的 You hear this kind of strange European alchemy going on.
你听到一个旋律 You hear melodies.
一个古典音乐带来的小提示 You hear little hint of classical music happening.
许多欧洲粉丝 Classical music of the 17th century, 18th century, 19th century.
无论是摇滚迷还是金属乐迷 Many European fans,
血液里多少都流淌着些许 even if they are rock fans or metal fans,
17 18或者19世纪的古典音乐 some all have in their blood.
这是从娘胎里 从叔叔阿姨那继承下来的东西 It's something that you get from parents, from aunts and uncles.
巴赫和帕格尼尼 Bach, Paganini, these were the first "Metaleiro".
最先展现了古典乐对人的影响力 for show the motion and impact.
他们动用庞大的管弦乐队 They were transmitting through the use of the giant orchestras.
力量金属和传统欧洲音乐与文化间 There's clearly a strong link between
有着千丝万缕的联系 power metal and traditional European music and culture.
而这正是解释 And this is beginning to
为什么我感到力量金属十分陌生的钥匙 explain why the style is so foreign to me.
力量金属出现于20世纪90年代 The power metal also emerged in the 1990s,
正值激流金属和华丽金属乐逐渐消亡 when thrash and glam metal were dead
而其他亚流派比如垃圾摇滚蓬勃发展之时 and more mainstream sub-genres like Grunge were exploding.
当时的摇滚乐手不像现在的摇滚明星 Grunge music is all about not being a rock star,
他们不扮酷 没有一个核心意识 not being cool, not being a party mood,
不弹唱你的爱 not celebrating what you love.
古典乐在那时显得有点陈旧 Classical metal had gotten a bit stale.
如果你的乐队演奏古典金属乐 If you were a band that was playing this kind of classical metal,
你们就会被当作 you were seen as like a
像恐龙一样过时的乐队 dinosaur and something completely out of fashion.
那是段艰难的时光 迷茫的时代 It was tough times. It was a time of confusion.
人们都说重金属乐已经消亡了 Everybody was saying heavy metal was dead
我认为有些人迷失了方向 And I think some of the crowd was missing this kind of approach,
不想着创作出新的好的传统重金属乐 this kind of traditional metal.
他们只想等着 And they were just looking
出现一个乐队唱出他们想要的歌 for a band to come and play that sound.
带我去你们成立乐队的地方 Take me back to when you guys first started
告诉我 你们为什么 and describe to me why was it important
创建雷神之锤 to you to create the style of music that Hammerfall plays.
我们成立雷神之锤是因为觉得有趣 We created Hammerfall so that we would have something fun,
因为没有人办过这样的演唱会 because nobody else did
出过这样的音乐和专辑 anything on stage or had concert or album.
所以我们觉得很有趣 So we thought it was fun.
别人的音乐我们都不喜欢 Everything around us was what we did not want music to be.
我们创建乐队 We basically created the band that
就是因为我们想听想唱这样的歌 想看这样的演唱会 we wanted to listen to and watch, play like ourselves.
你们为什么认为你们的歌 Why do you guys think you
能够立刻获得强烈的反响 made that really quite immediate impact?
虽然人们此前从没意识到 The metal community was
但我们觉得金属乐届想要的就是这种音乐 wanting this without even knowing it, probably.
其实我们也不能确定这一点 I don't think we even expected it
直到我们首次站在 until we went on stage for the first time in Germany,
德国97沃肯揭幕式的舞台上 Wacken opener in '97.
那时我们才意识到 哇 That's when we realized, " Wow!
人们真的很喜欢这种音乐 People were actually ready for this type of music."
雷神之锤是最早将 Hammerfall were one of the first
铆钉和皮革带回舞台的乐队之一 bands to bring back rivet and leather on stage.
这些东西在垃圾摇滚时代 That's something that of course in the Grunge times
会被大多数歌迷和乐队耻笑 would have been laughable for most of the fans and most of the bands.
乐队会表示 What you have is a band saying, "We are
我们才不会唱那些陈芝麻烂谷子的东西 not going to apologize for any of these cliches anymore."
然而事实上 这些乐队 These cliches actually served
重复这些曲子长达15到20年 whole lot of bands well for 15 or 20 years.
而且我们观众也很受用 And they are gonna serve us well.
真该死 Damn it.
在我们雷神之锤进军德国后 We Hammerfall entered the German Charts,
重金属乐又开始发展壮大起来 heavy metal grow all big again.
唱片销量猛增 And they sold a lot of records.
当然在芬兰 比利时 荷兰 法国 Of course other bands were signed too,
也兴起了其他很多乐队 from Finland, from Belgium, from Holland, from France.
重金属乐回来了 The time was right for heavy metal to come back,
真正的重金属乐回来了 for real heavy metal to come back.
现在我有点知道为什么重金属乐 Now I have a better understanding of why Hammerfall and
在90年代的欧洲有如此大的影响力了 the power metal scene made such a huge impact in Europe during the 90s.
但是我依旧不确定 But I'm still uncertain about power
力量金属和重金属乐的历史之间的联系 metal's connection to the history of heavy metal music.
究竟是什么推动了力量金属的复兴 What exactly was power metal attempting to revive?
力量金属是 Power metal is a sub-genre of the revived
传统金属与欧洲民谣的奇幻故事 to classical heavy metal's
结合产生的一个传统重金属乐的分支流派 obsession with fantasy and European folklore.
这种结合一开始产生的并不是像雷神之锤这样的乐队 But this obsession didn't start with bands like Hammerfall.
彩虹是这种流派的先锋乐队 The band that pioneered fantasy metal was Rainbow.
所以我进行了下一场采访 So I'm revisiting the interview
采访彩虹传奇歌手 I did with Rainbow's legendary vocalist,
罗尼 詹姆斯 蒂欧 Ronnie James Dio,
他于2010年去世 在他去世前五年 5 years before his untimely death in 2010,
我们了解了他是怎样 to understand how he laid the
奠定了力量金属热情奔放的风格的 groundwork for the power metal lyrical style.
我很小就喜欢看书 I read at such an early age,
看了很多恶龙啊骑士啊 and read all about dragons and knights,
被困的姑娘啊一类的奇幻和科幻小说 damsels in distress and great science fiction works.
我只是想 啊 我也要创造 I was just, "Wow! I've gotta
这一类的东西 create what these images are known to myself."
好炫酷呢 "That's so cool."
我想把我的幻想 I decided to put all the
统统写进歌词 things that I wrote in this kind of fantasy area,
我想让人们思考 which made you have to think,
他这是在说啥呢 "What is he talking about?"
啊 原来是这样 "Oh, he said that."
真想知道那是什么样的 "I wonder what that looks like."
我希望人们像我一样运用他们的想象力 I want people to have to use their imagination the way I did
创造我们的龙 and create their own dragons.
彩虹对现代力量金属音乐产生的影响最为直接 Rainbow is the direct influence on modern power metal.
可能最主要的原因是罗尼 詹姆斯 蒂奥是个诗人 Probably the main reason would be Ronnie James Dio as a lyricist.
他创造了许多幻想世界 And this world that he creates of fantasy through songs like
比如 庙王 杀王 "Temple of the King", "Kill the King",
占星师 黑光 "Stargazer", "Light in the Black" ...
这些来源于神话 中世纪和文艺复兴时期的传说 It's legendary myth, medieval times, Renaissance times.
当你想象一个力量金属乐队时 When you think of the power metal bands,
乐队主唱的原型总是罗尼 詹姆斯 蒂奥 Ronnie James Dio was like a prototype of a lead singer.
他是真正的英雄歌手 He was able to define the whole thing
而非仅仅是英雄吉他手 of being the singer hero, as apposed to guitar hero.
罗尼讲故事的方式实在棒极 Ronnie's way of story-telling was really amazing.
一切都是想象出来的 Everything was left to imagination.
就像画画一样 It's like painting pictures.
只不过画纸是别人的脑子 Uh... In somebody else's head.
我一直都是骨灰级幻想迷 I've always been a big fantasy fan.
是他将幻想带进硬摇滚和金属乐 And he brought it into hard rock and metal music.
没错 Yeah.
角 蒂奥创造的角 The horns! Dio brought the horns!
而不是维京人 Not the Vikings.
邪恶是个很棒的主题 Evil was a great subject.
这一意象对我们的工作 The symbolism, which is you know incredible for our work,
对舞台表演 极为重要 for stage presentation.
它与黑皮革 It goes well with black leather
闪光灯和海盗元素相得益彰 and change of lights and pirate techniques.
它是包容一切元素最完美的媒介 It's just a perfect medium for...
邪恶是一种我们已经了解 Evil is something that we
但不知如何产生的东西 know about but don't understand why it happens.
我们并没有真的遇见魔鬼 Don't really ever meet up with the devil.
所以就需要你开始想象了 So again it's kind of happened to use your all imagination.
当蒂奥奠定了力量金属热情奔放的风格时 While Dio established the power metal lyrical style,
为力量金属创造了蓝本唱腔的 the singer who created the blue print for
是犹大牧师乐队的罗布 哈佛德 the power metal vocal delivery was Judas Priest's Rob Halford.
在之前的节目里 我们探索了 Earlier in this series, I explored
牧师这一角色在发展重金属乐方面的作用 Priest's role in forging the heavy metal identity.
但是 是什么 But what was innovative about
让罗布创新了金属乐的唱腔 their music and Rob's approach to metal vocals?
我一直尝试着去实验 I'm always looking to try experiment.
总想着尽量多做些事 You just wanna do as many thing as you can possibly do.
总希望打101分 And you always want to go to 11.
然后就真的做到了 You do!
无论耳机 还是音箱 Before in-the-ear monitors, before any decent monitors,
你都要比他们大声 要喊出来 you have to scream your throughout the time,
只为在舞台上能听到自己的声音 just to hear yourself from stage.
你知道你的音量必须压过所有声音 You know you are battling against all that volume.
我是说 你的声音不能弱下来 I mean you can't lie back.
你必须 You've just gotta... You
你明白你必须一直撕扯着嗓子大声喊 know you've gotta rip your throat all the time.
歌迷们在小时候 All of us headbangers as kids,
坐在一边听着这样的演唱时 we would sit around and listen to that go.
都在想 这是金属乐么 "Is this even metal?"
好奇怪哦 It was SO foreign.
罗布 哈佛德是研究古典乐的 Because Rob Halford was classical studied,
他的歌声调高音强 singing high on most all the time.
没有罗布 哈佛德 Without Rob Halford, you
就不会有原始恐惧乐队的来福 西佩斯 wouldn't have Ralf Scheepers from Primal Fear.
也不会有灵云乐队的提莫 科体佩特 You wouldn't have Timo Kotipelto from Stratovarius.
基本上可以说 Basically the characteristic power metal vocal
没有了这种独特的唱腔 almost to the point where it's not
力量金属就不是力量金属了 power metal if you don't have this kind of vocal.
在我看来 犹大牧师多少 Judas Priest is more or less
定义了重金属乐 the definition of heavy metal, in my opinion.
没错 我赞同 Yeah, I have to agree with that.
哈佛德的歌声 The combination of Halford
与提普逊和唐宁的吉他的结合 singing and Tipton and Downing's guitars,
从第一个音就牢牢的吸引了我 that's what made me hooked on them at the beginning.
那么提普逊和唐宁有什么特别的呢 What did Tipton and Downing do that was different?
如果这只乐队只有一个吉他手 If there are the only one guitars,
他们就不能给你那种他们特有的力量金属乐 they didn't give you that power metal approach they have,
他们的歌之所以棒 很大一部分原因就是 The songs were that good because they have 2
他们的两个吉他手在同一乐段间弹奏相同的重音 guitars playing the same riff in a very tight way at the same moment.
特别实在现场演唱时 Especially in the live situation.
如果你有两个吉他手 又可以有更多的选择 I mean if you have 2 guitars, it gives you much more options.
字幕因为如果只有一个吉他手独奏 Because if there's just one player and he plays the solo,
所有低音和鼓点就都没了 you know all the low and all the bottom is gone,
吉他的节奏感没有了 because that's not rhythm guitar anymore.
如果肯负责主调 我就负责节拍 If Ken takes the lead, I can play rhythm.
不会遗漏任何一遍 So you don't get something falling at.
我负责主调 肯负责节拍 也一样 If I play lead, Ken can play rhythm, exactly the same.
我们还可以快速协奏 And we can do fast harmony together,
重金属乐的协奏 you know which is heavy metal harmony.
乐队里有两名吉他手真的很刺激 I think it's really exciting, 2 guitar players in the band.
队员们 when the guys are just like
在一起敲敲打打摇头晃脑 pounding on to riff or just head-banging together.
犹大牧师乐队不是唯一一只由两名吉他手 Judas Priest wasn't the only British metal band
分别负责鼓点和旋律的英国重金属乐队 that used 2 guitars for added attack and dynamics.
在80年代初 伦敦的铁娘子乐队 In the early 80s, London's Iron Maiden forged the
创造了史诗体裁的新的旋律 sound that brought a new melodic and epic sensibility to the genre,
成为了第一支引领大合唱的重金属乐队 becoming heavy metal's first singalong band.
这种旋律 音乐 How this melody and music make
是如何带动听众的呢 the live environment with the audience stronger?
我们铁娘子乐队要保证的 The things that we always try to do in Maiden
基本就是每一把吉他的旋律 is that... basically any guitar
都是声乐旋律又都不是 melody could be a vocal melody or vice versa.
虽然我们去的大多国家 And a lot of countries you go to, well they don't...
都不是以英语为母语 English is not the first
甚至根本不讲英语 language or they don't even speak English at all.
但人们依旧能跟着一起唱 They are still singing the melodies.
这真的让我很惊讶 To me, that says, "Oh, really?"
呃 有人说我们过时了 Well, call us old-fashioned.
这确实是一种论调 也许我是该退休回家了 But this is a tune, aren't they? I'm probably going home.
每个旋律都是包含着兴奋与喜悦的信息 Any melody is a combination of notes that
人们通过耳朵听到它 are exciting or pleasing to the ear played in a sequence
耳朵也随之兴奋喜悦起来 which is also exciting or pleasing to the ear.
就是这样 And that's all it is .
我估计你认为铁娘子很棒 You would say Iron Maiden is...
我就认为它很棒 I suppose it is.
但是你的旋律 几乎都受过各种影响 But you have that melodic, almost folking influence.
你尝试将旋律与 You try incorporate melody with
权利 野心 和侵略性的东西相融合 power and aggression and the progressive thing.
这就是我们努力做着的事 and this is what we're trying to do.
没错 我们所有的元素都是异教徒 Yeah, all of our elements is pretty pagan folks.
异教之歌 They are big anthems.
我认为它们 So I think they were very special
对创造史诗风格的重金属乐非常特别 in creating the very epic style of heavy metal.
当我第一次听到这种音乐时 When I started to listening to this kind of music,
我想其他 and I guess most of the other guys that...
重金属乐队也这么认为 playing power metal bands today too,
铁娘子不简单 Maiden has been THE big thing.
他们是真正的 They have been THE metal
能控制全场的重金属乐队 band that kind of unified the whole scene.
能让现场每个人 The kind of band that
融入一体的重金属乐队 everybody in the metal scene could agree on.
古典英国重金属乐队 Power metal was strongly
对力量金属的影响非常大 influenced by the classic British heavy metal bands.
但多数的力量金属乐队来自德国 But most power metal bands are from Germany.
所以 现在我要去探索 So I'm gonna take this time to explore the history
德国金属乐的历史 及其与力量金属的联系 of German metal and how it might be related to the power metal.
在这一点上再没有比蝎子乐队更合适的采访者了 There's no other place to start than the Scorpions.
跟我说说 Tell me about what Germany was like
蝎子乐队创建时的德国文化 culturally when Scorpions just started to come up.
那时 在德国 年轻人们做的一切都是为了生存 Everything we had in Germany was for us, as young guys, terribly.
必须努力工作 You have to be and work hard,
确保你有工作 and make sure that you will
可能一直做到65岁 have a job which you can maybe do until you are 65.
然后我们说 我们才不要这样的生活 And we said, "This is not what we wanna do."
即便我不懂英语 When I heard the first time,
在我第一次听说小理查德 和埃尔维斯 普雷斯利时 Little Richards, Elvis Presley
一个新的 第三维度 a new, a third dimension came into my life.
进入了我的生活 Even if we didn't understand the English,
我们能理解他们表达的信息 we understood the message.
有一个地方我们能过我们想要的生活 Here is a way where we can live our life,
享受生活 并让他人快乐 enjoy life and make other people happy.
为什么你们认为蝎子乐队能 Why do you think the Scorpions seemed to set the emotion,
推动德国摇滚和金属乐的发展 this whole new movement of German rock and metal?
因为德国历史 Because of the history of Germany,
我们去不同国家时总希望 we had always the feelings when we came in different countries,
能唱出描述那里的人的歌 that we want to show the people
唱出德国的新一代人 there's a new generation coming from Germany,
我们要带来的不是架子鼓 不是吉他 而是爱 not coming with tanks, coming with guitars and bringing in love.
蝎子乐队对我非常重要 The Scorpions were of absolute importance to me.
我以前总听东京磁带 I was listening to Tokyo Tapes up and down.
那张专辑对我的影响 This album for me was a big revelation.
和尤历强罗斯的吉他对我的影响一样大 as well like Uli Jon Roth's guitar playing,
那旋律抑扬顿挫十分迷人 having the hard edge and the melody.
克劳斯 鲁道夫 和我 我们这样写歌的人 Klaus, Rudolf and myself, the ones who kind of wrote the music,
都对旋律异常敏感 we were all very melody driven people.
做摇滚乐队需要极高的旋律敏感度 Being a rock band that was really melodic,
吉他的音量音色有细微的不同 就会产生极大的差别 both in terms of vocal and in terms of your guitars was unusual.
主吉他手引导了主旋律 It's like delivering great rhythm guitar orientated music,
但同时旋律又引导着主吉他手 but at the same time having such extraordinary lead guitar.
克劳斯 梅恩有着独特的嗓音 Klaus Meine has a unique voice
这给了其他德国歌手 that gave confidence to any
向不同的方向 跳出英国模式发展 vocalist in Germany to go different direction and
的信心 not follow any of the British stereotypes.
我认为蝎子乐队 I think the Scorpions showed
向所有德国乐队证明了 every German band what is possible if you go out
去世界任何角落演唱 and play your music in every
都是可能的 little part of the world where it's possible.
并向他们展示了演唱会能有多么的成功 And they showed all the other German bands what could be done.
蝎子乐队替未来的音乐人轻轻推开了 Scorpions blew open the door for future
追寻重金属乐的门 generations of metal musicians to pursue heavy metal music.
之后 Accept乐队 And then the next German band to
将这一成就送上了国际舞台 make their mark on the international stage was Accept.
我们常说 好吧 我们比蝎子乐队更努力 We always say, "Ok, we're harder than the Scorpions."
我们常说 It was always our thing to say,
没错 我们比蝎子乐队努力多了 "Ok we are much heavier than the Scorpions."
无论过去还是现在 And I think we were much heavier than the Scorpions.
从一开始我们就足够努力 It was really also for the first time that it had been...
我们真的给舞台带去了些特别的东西 We're really doing something special on the stage.
包括舞台服装 Also clothes, my stage clothers.
一开始 舞台服装的元素就是皮革一类的东西 In the beginning it was all sort of leather, and bla bla bla.
然后我拿出了我的秘密武器 Then I came up with this military stuff.
它就流行了起来 And yeah, and the whole thing was born.
我与别的乐队交流时 When I've talked to other bands,
他们都说Accept乐队的影响力非常大 they've said that Accept was a big influence.
如果你去雷神之锤的演唱会现场 If you look at Hammerfall live,
你就能理解影响力有多么大了 you would understand that they were big influence.
-他们 -动作同步 - They were. - with the synchronized movements and...
我记得鲁道夫说过 I remember Rudolf said once,
奥斯卡 如果你要做一个动作 "You know Oscar, if you are gonna do these movements,
让其他人也同时做同样的动作 make sure that everybody does it at the same time"
像芭蕾一样 吉他芭蕾 They had this ballet element in there. "Guitar Ballet".
嗯 像芭蕾一样同步 Errr...that was synchronicity and stuff, you know.
犹大牧师乐队也有过同样的想法 Priest said that already, but Accept...
但Accept乐队做的更彻底 They did it even maybe more German,
像行军一般整齐 you know, like marching.
乐队穿上制服后 It gave the band the kind of uniform,
力量感就来了 power coming from the front.
80年代 As the 80s progressed,
像打击乐这样的重音流派蓬勃发展 heavier sub genres like thrash metal were on the rise.
Accept乐队和蝎子乐队 And bands like Accept and Scorpions
已经不再领导重金属乐的发展了 were no longer on the vanguard of heavy metal music.
德国乐队万圣节 But the German band that embraced metal's faster,
在这时异军突起 more aggressive sound was Helloween.
人们谈论万圣节乐队的音乐时 When people talk, as you know, about Helloween's music,
总说他们有铁娘子的感觉 they often say, you know, It was kind of like Iron Maiden,
额 但是有有点不同 Errr... but as something a little bit different.
一开始我们发行的那张迷你专辑（EP） When we did the first, I think it was the mini LP or something,
编辑和评论员 And the magazines and the reviews,
叫我们 急速铁娘子 they called us "Iron Maiden on Speed".
这么说倒也有几分道理 And they were definitely not so wrong with that.
因为我们的双吉他手还有别的一些东西 都有些像铁娘子 Because we were very Maidenish with the twin guitars and stuff.
但都比铁娘子更快更野 But everything a bit faster, a bit more aggressive.
一开始 万圣节乐队被当做德国的铁娘子乐队 In the beginning, Helloween was Germany's answer to Iron Maiden.
所以他们不得不唱出自己的特色 So they had to sound unique somehow.
在80年代初 They were the first German band to
他们成为了第一支 take traditional heavy metal as we knew from England,
融合了英国传统重金属乐的德国乐队 back in the early 80s one step further.
另一个吉他手Weikath是一个音乐感极强的人 The other guitar player Weikath was very much the melody guy.
而我则负责节拍 And I was more the trash guy.
我们协同合作 And we put that together.
他们的两张Keeper专辑引起了强烈的反响 The "Keeper" Albums get held up as very important records.
指乐队的Keeper of the Seven Keys Part I & II两张专辑
你们为什么创作这样的唱片 Why you think those records have been considered in this way?
他们这两张Keeper专辑被9成的力量金属乐队 The two "Keeper"S can be seen as the
视为启蒙唱片 foundation for 90 percent of melodic power metal bands.
没有了这两张专辑 So without these two albums,
就没有灵云乐队和北极奏鸣曲乐队 there would have been no Stratovarius, no Sonata Arctica,
没有人对铁娘子乐队的乐曲风格 There was no one you know mingling
做速度上的调整 speed metal elements at that point with Maiden melodies
并得到如此成效 and having some Priestish attitude as well.
人们不会承认这一成果源于德国 And all would not deny its German roots.
但从某种层面上说 万圣节乐队是这种风格的父亲 In terms of limited lineage, they would be our direct father.
接下来我们去博洛尼亚 Next up on my journey into power metal
一个意大利中世纪小镇 takes me all the way to the medieval town of Bologna, Italy,
我们希望见到 with hopes of meeting up
瑞士传奇吉他手 Yngwie Malmsteen with Swedish guitar legend, Yngwie Malmsteen,
他将力量金属的音色 who took the sound of power metal
发展到了另一种新古典风格 and transformed it into a neo-classical phenomenon.
因为Yngwie是国际知名音乐家 Although Yngwie is an internationally renowned musician,
但有点麻烦 he isn't the easiest guy to pin down.
我们不那么容易能约到他 It's not easy getting Yngwie Malmsteen.
他有点难以捉摸 我们计划先去一个城堡 He's a little elusive. We had a plan we're gonna go to a castle,
现在他不会出现在那 but now he's not going to
我们去之后才能见到他 the castle until the day after we are here.
有点复杂 It's complicated.
也有点传奇 It's a bit of a legend.
他大概也知道他是传奇 这正是问题所在 He kind of knows he's a legend. It is part of the problem.
他很清楚 他很传奇 He's very aware of it. His legendness.
额 我们会见到他的 So um... We'll get him.
我们会见到他的 We'll get him.
谢谢你来见我们Yngwie -谢谢 Well, thanks for doing this Yinwie. - Thank you.
我很高兴能见到你 -我也是 I'm glad we could make this work. - Me too.
你觉得金属乐与古典乐的共同点是什么 What do you think metal and classical music share?
为什么它们能融合 Why do they work well?
如果你听过Vivaldi If you listen to Vivaldi,
并仔细听了它的旋律 感受主题 and you listen to the melodies, the themes,
如果你用马歇尔功放调大音量播放它 if you just turn that up and put it through a Marshall Stack,
你会震惊的 it sounds amazing.
它就该大声播放 It lands itself to be played loud.
你喜欢古典乐是因为它的艺术性么 Are you attracted to classical music because of the virtuosity?
我的哥哥姐姐喜欢柴可夫斯基 My older brother and sister were playing Tchaikovsky.
我感觉我跟不上他们 And I did feel like I was gonna be left behind.
所以我就另起炉灶 我不懂柴可夫斯基 And I go, "Well I don't know that stuff,
但我懂古典乐 but I know these blue scale."
无所谓好坏 我只是想走的更远些 Not saying it was bad, but just I wanna go further.
Yngwie Malmsteen的曲子会引用古典乐 Yngwie Malmsteen would quote classical music.
他能用管弦乐翻奏古典乐 He could cover classical songs he recorded with an orchestra.
他是个十分热情的欧洲人 He was just this intense and intensely European guy.
他可能是对所有力量金属吉他手 He is probably the guy who made the
造成巨大影响的人 biggest impact on all the power metal guitars to come.
Yngwie对金属乐独奏 Yngwie really established
的影响极大 classical influences so much into metal solos,
他的演奏 在音准 速度 with the accuracy and the speed,
特别是音乐控制力上 都极强 especially in this kind of controlled wildness in his play.
Yngwie将金属乐 What Blackmore had started,
提升了一到两个层次 Yngwie took it one or two levels further.
我九岁时 到处都是各种Made in Japan现场系列唱片 I was nine when "Made in Japan" Came out.
我仔细研究 And I'd look into phenalical
那每一个音是如何弹出来的 Bottom and learn how to play all the parts exactly.
然后我发现 So I figured it out if you
如果把黑胶唱片转成磁带 took the LP and put it to the cassette player,
用麦克风取代左声道 and replace left channel with a little microphone,
吉他的音乐就没了 the guitar parts were more or less gone.
我就把我弹的加进去 I would just played everything.
于是我带上那盘磁带 Then I would take this cassette,
放给我的朋友们听 run and play for my friends, you know.
“来听听这个！”“那是啥？”“日本现场” Hey, Listen to this. What's that？Made in Japan！
是吗 是啊 "Is it?" "Yeah, I spent..."
不对 这 他们越惊讶 我约自豪 "Nooo, it's not..." And then I would be so proud you know.
我戏弄了他们 Coz I fooled.
结合了“深紫”和古典音乐之后 By combining the influence of Deep Purple with classical music,
Yngwie创造了新的音色 Yngwie created a sound that hadn't been heard before.
但让力量金属音乐跳出吉他声的引导 But it was one of Yngwie's bandmates
仅仅只是他的乐队的一个贡献 who took power metal beyond the realm of the guitar.
Jens Johansson带给乐队的 What Jens Johansson brought to the Yngwie Malmsteen band,
对力量金属的发展 and proved to be an enormous
有着巨大的影响 influence on the future power metal bands,
他和Yngwie一样 is that he was as virtuosic as Yngwie was.
你和Yngwie这么多年 How did you and Yngwie work together in terms
是如何一起写歌的 of song writing and composing the music that you guys made?
我们经常窝在一起 边喝酒边听帕格尼尼 We'd often sit and get drunk, just listen to Paganini.
那是他的最爱 You know it's like his favorite.
然后我就会说 Then I would be like, "Ugh...
帕格尼尼弱爆了 巴赫才好 Paganini sucks! Bach is much better."
听听这个吧 like "Listen to this and this..."
这曲子是不错 但是这只曲子更快 like "Ah it is better, but this is faster."
我们常常讨论吉他和电子琴 We could have this interplay between the guitar and keyboards.
电子琴宽广的音域 多变的音色 I'd say it's fuller sound or
比两把吉他加起来还强得多 more varied sound than you get with two guitars.
我认为Jens与其他键盘手的区别 I think the difference between Jens and other
在于70年代末80年代初 keyboard players that were around in the late 70s or the early 80s,
Jens演奏重金属乐时 is the fact that Jens played heavy metal.
电子琴成了全能的乐器 Jens use keyboard as a full instrument.
他和深紫乐队的Jon Lord一样 He returned to what Jon Lord had done with Deep Purple.
当你想到深紫乐队 If you think about what Deep Purple
就一定会想到Yngwie did and you think about what you did with Yngwie,
他们的区别在哪里呢 what do you guys think you did was different?
这很难说 I think it was harder.
真的很难说 Like everything ??? Got harder.
我认为是独奏和节奏的程度与速度 Just different level of speed I think with the solos and tempo.
Yngwie Malmsteen和Jens Johansson With Yngwie Malmsteen and Jens Johansson, keyboard was
让电子琴成了金属乐队一件很重要的乐器 no longer something that we had to apologize for in the metal context.
在20世纪80年代Yngwie Malmsteen和Jens Johansson In the 1980s, Yngwie Malmsteen and Jens Johansson
大胆创新了电子琴在力量金属中的演奏方式 boldly took power metal in a slicker or a keyboard oriented direction.
之后 Manowar But then along came Manowar
创造了“正道金属” who created their own sub genre called true metal,
这种分支的风格让力量金属复古感十足 a style that brought power metal back to its cavemen roots.
我们打了无数电话 But even after dozens of
跨越万水千山 phone calls and traveling hundreds of miles
试图在斯洛文尼亚的庆典上 to a metal festival in Slovenia
采访Manowar乐队队长Joey DeMaio to interview Manowar band leader Joey DeMaio.
但他拒绝了 He refused to talk to me,
所以我现在要 so I'm going back across
再次穿过大西洋 the Atlantic to meet with the next memeber
找乐队另一个成员采访来了解他们 to find out something about this band.
他在大都市皇后区 So he's in Queens, on metropolitan.
所以我来到纽约 And so I've come to a batting cage of all places here in New York
约见战士帮乐队创始吉他手‘罗斯老板' to meet with Ross the Boss, the founding guitarist of Manowar,
我想问问他关于“正道金属”的看法 as I wanna ask him what do they think of this term "True Metal".
力量金属 正道金属 究竟都是些什么？ Power metal, true metal, what is it?
我们是什么 What are we? I like...You know,
对我来说就是摇滚是重金属乐 to me it's rock & roll, heavy metal.
我们每天都想超越 We wanted to be one step beyond what was happening at the day,
一步一步超越犹大牧师和铁娘子 one step beyond, let's say, Judas Preist or Iron Maiden,
一步一步超越黑皮革和铁链装饰 one step beyond the black leather and the chains.
战士帮合唱团的一切都是慢慢壮大的 And Manowar everything was bigger.
王者之剑融合了彩虹乐团的戏剧 Conan the Barbarian combined with the drama of Rainbow
还有铁娘子的纯重金属乐 and the pure heavy metal of Iron Maiden,
由此成就了战士帮合唱团 and the outcome is Manowar.
为什么王者之剑这么成功 Why does Conan and metal work so well together?
因为他是个混蛋 Because he's such a kick-ass guy
只做他想做的 and you know, he just did what he wanted to do.
他不遵循任何规则 我们也是 He didn't follow any rules and neither do we.
肱二头肌 汗水 束带 Biceps, sweat, loincloth,
还有三个裸体女人组成了整个封面 three quarters naked women on the album cover.
这音乐真的很棒 Musically speaking, psttt, you know, I mean, er...
战士帮不愧是战士帮 我是认真的 Manowar is Manowar, man. I mean it seriously.
是非常有趣的乐队 They are a very entertaining live band.
纯粹的大男子主义 It's pure machismo.
都几乎到了同性恋的程度 And it's like... I mean it's also homoerotic.
总光着 难道他们买不起衣服么 You know, can't they afford a shirt?
战士帮追求纯金属乐 Manowar talking about true metal, what are they talking about?
无袖上衣 电子琴 现代金属乐 Something to delineate between freely sleeves,
城堡金属乐上 都有他们的影子 keyboard, modern metal, castle metal.
Yngwie Malmsteen的造型总是天鹅绒夹克加金属链 Yngwie Malmsteen crushed you know velvet jacket metal.
而吉他手总是肥大的牛仔夹克 和皮革夹克 And guitar-based, biker, loose jean jacket, leather jacket metal.
战士帮告诉人们 要走向世界 Manowar tells you to, you know, go on the world,
做你想做的一切 kick ass, do what you have to do.
要纯粹 Be true.
对自己 对家庭 Be true to yourself, be true to your family,
对理想 都要纯粹 be true to your, you know, your ideals.
所以这就是正道金属的本质么 So maybe "True metal" Isn't such a bad term, huh?
我可没说这话 I don't think it's such... Nah...not that I'm thinking about.
在战士帮合唱团与 Through the combined efforts
欧洲力量金属乐队的共同努力下 of Manowar and the European power metal bands,
21世纪 力量金属的黎明到来了 by the dawn of the 2000s, power metal has successfully revived
其品质与成就是传统重金属乐不能比的 the majesty and epic quality of traditional heavy metal.
但这种怀旧风格是如何演变的呢 But how this genre based on nostalgia actually evolved?
在无数英国精选唱片集中 And in the long-came England's Dragonforce,
我们开始重新定义力量金属的未来 we started to redefine the future of power metal.
力量金属带给你了什么 What was about power metal that really drew you in?
就像和弦的魅力一样 I think really just like the catchyness of chords, you know.
它令人快乐 令人振奋 It's already happy and uplifting and like...
并且曲子的速度很快 And it's also...most of it is fast.
虽然我们很喜欢 Even though we liked the music a lot,
但我们任然觉得 we'd still thought there was
有很多东西都可以更酷一些 a lot of things can be a lot cooler about it.
就像老话说的那样 You know, so it was like, 'cause there
我爱狗屎的这部分 always traditionally sort of words "I love that part of shit".
我很讨厌不酷的人 pretty nerdy kind of guys and they are all pretty ugly.
在建龙之力量乐队之前 They way Dragonforce came about
我在别的乐队演奏死亡金属乐之类的曲子 was house playing some death metal bands and stuff.
他们把我踢了出去 And they kept kicking me out,
说我太看重吉他独奏之类的 saying I was too much guitar solos, bla bla bla.
所以在我们成立龙之力量时 我就想 And when we started Dragonforce, I thought
反正他们是不会跟我们一样的 "You know what? They are not gonna like us anyways.
就让我们不一样得更彻底好了 So let's make it that they definitely don't like us."
所以我们创作了长8分钟的独奏曲子 That's why we come in long 8 minute songs
从没有人 No one really played a
在7分钟的曲子里有超过2分钟的独奏 solo for like 2 minutes in a 7 minute song.
我认为曲子的速度这样快 是源于对激流金属的热爱 I think the speed came from uh... you know love for thrash metal.
我们进一步扩大了这种影响 So we brought in those other influences.
有点像对金属乐生命的总结 Kind of like a summary of our lives in metal.
我想金属迷看到这样的乐队都会很开心 I think metal fans looked at that band and just almost laughed,
因为这乐队真的是极品 because it just seemed that it was so over the top.
除了Yngwie这样的 If Yngwie himself wasn't over the top,
传奇人物 吉他英雄 larger than life figure and a true guitar hero,
还有很多了不起的人物 比如托特曼和李 here were a couple of guys Totman and Li,
他俩比Yngwie还快 who were even faster than Yngwie.
他们就像播放器一样 They were like an instructional video.
我想谈谈吉他英雄这款游戏 I wanna talk about Guitar Hero.
我认为他让年轻人 I guess Guitar Hero has helped bring
喜欢上了吉他独奏和吉他技巧 young people to appreciate guitar solos and good playing.
即便很多传统摇滚迷会说 Even though we hear a lot of the older rock metal fans going
不 这些人根本不懂音乐 "No! No way! These guys don't know anything about music.
但他们也喜欢玩吉他英雄 They got into rock because of Guitar Hero."
时代变了 收音机 磁带都被淘汰了 Times have changed you know. MTV don't have videos, VH1 less.
音乐游戏似乎成了金属乐的新发展 Video games is kind of new vehicle for metal music.
我们要给人们选择 We need to give people choices for them to decide.
吉他英雄在这一点上就做得很好 And Guitar Heroes are really good vehicle.
许多在重金属界没有名气的人 Lots of people who are not
通过这款游戏有了听众 necessarily into the metal, they are gonna hear it.
真的 人们喜欢它 And it's true and people did liked it.
联网之后 And we got on internet and
还能点那种学校合唱团的歌 there's like school choirs sing that song.
像书呆子一样的乐队的演奏 And like sort of nerdy jazz band playing a song.
其实真的很酷 That's quite cool actually.
通过吉他英雄 Through Guitar Hero,
龙之力量乐队将力量金属带给了许多海外听众 Dragonforce introduced power metal to a much broader audience,
让这种流派更加主流化了 pushing the genre closer to the mainstream than ever before.
然后就是芬兰的夜愿乐队 But then it was Finland's
将力量金属推上了欧洲榜单 Nightwish who put power metal on the European charts,
排到了第一 taking the genre all the way to number one.
做音乐时最让你兴奋的是什么的 What was the sound that you were excited about making?
我最大的爱好就是听音乐与配乐 My biggest passion is to feel music and soundtracks,
特别是古典乐的音乐与配乐 which I consider is contemporary classical music.
我其实挺想做电影配乐的 I wanted to do kind of like movie soundtracks,
重金属的电影配乐 but just in the terms of heavy metal.
当你像Black Sabbath一样 When you go to the basics of what metal music is,
接近了重金属乐的本质时 what Black Sabbath did,
你会发现其实就是咆哮 it's something rant.
重金属乐就是很重的冲击 It's something that's really heavy, pounding.
打击 咆哮 这类的旋律和即兴演奏 Beat, rant, melodies and riffs.
而这正是瓦格纳这样的古典作曲家所做的曲子的样子 And that's exactly what classical composers like Wagner did.
我从来没做过整个歌剧的曲子 The whole opera vocal thing for me never worked.
我感到遗憾 但我不能停下去听那该死的唱片 And I feel sorry but I couldn't stop listening to the damn album.
我不明白 I couldn't figure out why.
令人惊讶的是 他们没有把音乐变成奶酪 Amazingly enough, it has not turned their music into cheese.
融入的传统曲调越多 The more that they've put this
保持风格就越难 classical bombast into it, which is very hard to do.
重金属乐越来越像一个帅小伙 特点突出 Heavy metal music tends to be a pretty male, dominated style.
你觉得你的成功 And do you think part of the reason for the
是因为开辟了新的发展道路么 success that you had has been that you've carved a new direction?
在我之前就有很多女性在做重金属乐 There were many girls before me in the metal,
但她们都没有我这样的嗓音 but not kind of voice I had at the time,
受过传统训练的这种 you know, classically trained
如果你听过夜愿 If you listen to Nightwish, it is
你可能会觉得它不想你想象的那种重金属乐 not the metal that you consider like "Metal metal".
而是纯金属乐 True metal, hmm.
这是不同的 It's different.
是全新的 So this was the beginning of something new.
那时开始 It was about time women started to
女人逐渐在摇滚乐发展中扮演了积极角色 have a sort of like proactive role within the rock music.
年轻姑娘们 Young girls who, you know,
想为乐队做点特别的事 wanna have something else to do with the band,
而不是窝家里玩吉他英雄 other than blow the guitar hero you know.
我真的觉得 I only do what I feel.
我爱吉他的重音 I love the harder riffing in guitars
我爱那优美的交响旋律 and I love the symphonic side of the beautiful melodies.
我想这些元素 It's maybe the matter of fact that having these
真的可以丰富每一个人 elements presented in the music that can really enrich people.
不仅仅只是铁杆粉丝和 Not only the stereotype
欣赏古典乐的人 对每一个人都是如此 of a metal fan or classical music listener.
通过扩大力量金属的听众 By expanding the sound in audience for power metal,
夜愿和龙之力量为未来的力量金属 Nightwish and Dragonforce created
创造了新的发展可能 new possibilities for the future of this style.
但两支乐队不能解释一整个流派的兴衰 But two bands can't ensure the survival of an entire genre.
所以我又回到了欧洲的节日现场 So I've returned to the European festival scene
寻找维持力量金属生机的东西 to find out what role festivals play in keeping power metal live.
为什么沃肯节对力量金属如此重要 Why are festivals like Wacken important for power metal?
我的好朋友波说斯堪地纳维亚 Good friend of mine Paul said Scandinavian,
德式音乐 呃 胜利荣光 German type music, err... glorious victorious.
这些乐队 都活在大舞台上 Those bands. They live with a big scenery.
你看得到 那些顶级的力量金属乐队 The power metal band you want to see in front of the big crowd.
他们能制造真正的大场面 They really work with the big production.
灯光 灯光 灯光 Lights! Lights! Lights!
我认为灯光对现场气氛很重要 I think that's really good for live situation.
有什么事能比 What could be more perfect than a sunny
在大晴天的节日里办演唱会更棒呢 day in a big festival and a chorus that everybody knows?
欧洲的文化与节日都棒极了 The cultural the festivals in Europe is amazing.
你第一次到这来演唱 When you first come over here,
看到这么多人会很震惊 It's astonishing to see so many people.
你走在舞台上 You walk out on the stage,
就好像 人群望不到边一样 there's literally... You see people forever.
在美国是看不到这种情况的 And that's something in the US you just didn't,
真的很让人兴奋 you know, really experienced.
在欧洲 人们会请一整周的假 In Europe they'll take a whole week off to
去参加节日活动 人们可能能看见到两支乐队 come to a festival that they are gonna probably watch 2 bands at.
其余的时间他们都在露营 And the whole other time, they are camping,
和朋友玩耍 喝酒 having fun with their friends, having a beer.
那种感觉 啊 真是太酷了 That kind of dedication. You gotta like... "Wow, that is cool!"
这是一种简单的快乐 It's just an uncomplicated fun thing.
又吵又闹 It's loud. It's obnoxious.
节日和瓶啤相得益彰 It works well with drinking beer.
这种节日文化 That festival culture is
基本就是力量金属的来源 basically a result of stuff like power metal.
我曾见过这样的家庭 I've seen families really
父母带着孩子一起来 coming with the parents and the children.
你真的不知道家里究竟谁才是力量金属的粉丝 And you don't know really who is the biggest fan in the family.
有一种大一统的感觉 It's this unification thing you have.
人人沉醉其中 人人都在唱 Everybody is into it. Everybody is singing.
人人都在摇头晃脑 Everybody is banging their heads.
非常有趣 能量在乐队与粉丝间交换着 It's great fun, lots of energy exchange between band and fans.
产生了共鸣 Lots of very positive vibes.
也消耗了很多啤酒 产生了臭气 Lots of beer and terrible smell.
在节目的开始 At the beginning of this episode, I set up to
我试图探寻力量金属是什么 为什么我对它感到陌生 understand what power metal is and why it is so foreign to me.
结论是我发现 What I've discovered is that while power
力量金属看起来 听起来 可能都和重金属差不多 metal may look and sound just like a heavy metal cliche,
但这一流派的兴起其实是传统重金属在北美 it's a movement that revived the traditions of heavy
自90年代以来的回归运动 metal back in the 90s when metal in North America had hit all time low.
但最终 力量金属 But ultimately, power metal has been
对我而言依旧是难以捉摸的 因为它是欧洲节日文化的一部分 elusive to me because it's part the European festival culture.
而正是这些节日 And it's these festivals that will ensure the
让力量金属和重金属乐这么多年来一直活力四射 vitality of power metal and heavy metal as a whole for years to come.