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David Tennant正在 Actor David Tennant is on the set of
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他最新电视剧的布景棚中 His latest television drama
以扮演《神秘博士》中的时间旅行者而成名的David Tennant Best known for playing time traveling hero Dr. Who
决定当一回追溯家族历史的旅行者 He has decided to embark on a journey through his own family history
翻译：寻意桃花 Hedwig 不羁! Cherish
校对：不羁! Hedwig Cherish 淋雨宝宝 祈晴娃娃
当你觉出你终归要迈进坟墓的时候 I guess as you look forward
时间轴：燃 神户小尊 疯子 仰望星空 N_U_T 落木染风
你开始观察 To the ultimate grave, you begin to look
特效：Iam_The-Doctor
你开始更加清晰地意识到 You begin to become a bit more aware of your
压制：蛋糕
人这一辈子的价值所在 Place in the scheme of things
人的家族溯源的归宿又在何处 And how you sort of fit in to that kind of line really
你是怎么走到这一步的 And what's brought you here and what's
是什么决定了你是一个什么样的人 Defined who you are really
你会觉得自己仅仅是 And that you're just one sort of
历史锁链中的一环 Chunk in a chain really that goes on
在DNA随机的螺旋上升中 In a sort of fairly random progression of DNA
蹒跚前行 穿越百年 And it lurches forward through the centuries that
DNA决定了你的外貌 Define what you look like and
你的声音 What you sound like and
你的举止 How you act
你会不会秃顶 And whether you're going to go bald
还有 我是不是要秃了 And am I going to go bald
-秃不秃 -不秃 - How's it looking - No
你确定吗 Are you sure
啊 你看 DNA还决定了你可怕的虚荣心 And the terrible overweening vanity that you have
麻烦重新布一下景 Reset for take, please
正是进化中充满了错综复杂的可能性 All the trivial conception of who they might be
这种未知性才显得更吸引人 So that's part of the attraction, I suppose
仅仅是想想进化可能有的结果 就心痒痒 Just to discover who they were
第一场 First positions
有关祖父母的事 我知道得不是特别清楚 I don't know anything beyond really my grandparents
啊 有点难为情 And I'm a bit shaky on them so
所以 了解了解他们遗传给我的基因让我很感兴趣 It's very intriguing to know quite what might have defined us
开始 And action
我回到了苏格兰 I've come back to Scotland
我会去看看 And I'm going to see
住在佩斯利 My Mum and Dad in Paisley and in Glasgow
我想问问他们 And I'm going to find out
他们对我们家族的历史知道多少 What they know about our family history
因为我知道的实在太少了 Because I know gently little
在苏格兰人中这种现象是很常见的 I think it's quite a common experience amongst Scots to
就是 你离开了苏格兰之后 Develop a kind of nationalism
你会有一种强烈的归属感 After you leave
我现在特别有一种"我是苏格兰人"的意识 I certainly feel very particularly Scottish now in a way
比我当年住在这儿的时候强得多 Than I probably did when I lived here
我的意思是 我祖上是凯尔特人 I mean my heritage is Celtic
我应该算是个"纯种苏格兰人" I'm almost completely Scottish
可能还有点爱尔兰血统 There is a bit of Irish in there but I certainly
但我觉得自己特别有苏格兰味儿 I certainly feel like a Scot
没有钥匙好多年 I don't have a key anymore
-你好啊 -好啊 - Hello - Hi
-嗨 最近过得怎么样 -欢迎欢迎 -开心 - Hi! How are you doing - Welcome - Good
见到你太开心了 Good to see you
-太开心了 -能来这儿真好 - Good to see you - Good to be here
-嗨 Viv -快进来 赶紧的 -这就来 - Hi, Viv - Do come, come - All right
见到你们真开心啊 Yeah, good to see you
我们进行了多方热情会晤 So we'll get cater along
这是一个合适的"欢迎回家"的方式啊 That's a proper welcome home, isn't it
还有妈妈做的苹果派 And Mum's apple pie
-哟呵 瞧瞧这美味的派 -为了欢迎你呀 - Aww, look at that - Welcome home
David Tenant的原名是David McDonald David was born David McDonald
但是像许多有抱负的演员一样 But like many aspiring actors
为了融入演员大部队 他更改了名字 Had to change his name to join the Actors' Union
那时候我刚好翻开一本杂志 就 I just opened a magazine because I
讲什么流行乐队的杂志 是不是 A pop group or something, wasn't it
-是 没错 -流行乐队的一个明星 - Yeah, Yeah - Somebody in a pop group
Neil Tennant 当时翻Smash Hit刚好翻到了 Neil Tennant and it was in Smash Hits
（注：Smash Hit： 上世纪英国著名音乐偶像杂志）
我觉得这名字 哟 不错 So I just thought the name sounded good
是 但是你还记不记得 Yes. But if you remember we tried
我们本来给你推荐了好多家里人的姓 To persuade you to maybe go to a family name
记得啊 但那个时候我才16岁 Yes, I do remember that, but I think at 16
没想那么多 I wasn't having any of that
那是 你都16岁了 都自己做主了 Well, because parents, when you're 16
爸妈知道什么啊 瞎掺和 Parents know nothing, of course
啊 那时候年轻嘛 Quite right, quite right
当年16岁的成熟青年真是无所不知啊 16-year-olds know everything
家长都是两眼一抹黑的落后分子啊 And parents know nothing
你希望我叫McLeod 对吧 You wanted it to be McLeod, didn't you
~提提 不要转移话题 虚心接受长辈批评~
你可以姓McLeod Well, you could have used McLeod
也可以姓Blair You could have used Blair
这么多姓给你随便挑 你偏偏都不要 You could have used any of those names, you know
是是是 Uhm
David外祖母和外祖父 David's maternal grandparents
是爱尔兰血统的Nellie Blair Were Irish Nellie Blair
和苏格兰血统的Archie McLeod And Scot Archie McLeod
David想先从外祖父的苏格兰家族 And it's his Scottish heritage
开始探寻 That David wants to research first
-我是David 很高兴见到你 -你好 David - I'm David. Nice to meet you - David, hi
-进来吧 -谢谢 - Do come in - Thank you
所以他邀请了系谱学家Brian Thomson 寻求他的帮助 So he's asked genealogist Brian Thomson to help
我们正在喝下午茶 你想喝点什么 茶还是咖啡 A cup at the moment, do you want tea or coffee
到目前为止 So far
Brian已经查到了在19世纪60年代 Brian's managed to trace back to the 1860's
有一位祖辈叫Donald McLeod To an ancestor called Donald McLeod
此人在格拉斯哥的工作是一个过磅员 And his job in Glasgow was an iron weigher
我们谱系中排查McLeod这个姓的时候 When we go to the census with the name McLeod
我们可能会发现 事实上这个姓是从别处来的 We might start to find that he was actually from somewhere else
哦 Oh
要是你想从这一点着手的话 And I think it might be useful
David 这个信息还是很有用的 David, if you want to follow this up
是吗 Yes
我们可以去网上查 We could actually go online
你有机会在1861年的人口普查的信息中
查到这个人和他的有关信息 And see what it says
Mcleod这个姓在David家族中 可以上溯三代
从他的外祖父Archie McLeod From his grandfather Archie McLeod
到Archie的祖父Donald McLeod To Archie's own grandfather Donald McLeod
-我们从哪里开始 -来 - Where do we start - Right
-从哪儿开始 -我们先登录苏格兰人民政府网 - Where do I head - Go in to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
-好 我们先看看1861年的人口普查 -好 - Right, we said we'll have a look at the 1861 census - Right
-你说你想查什么来着 -"McLeod"这个姓 - So do you want to try typing in your - McLeod
对 输入"McLeod" Yes, type in McLeod
让我们把网页下拉 Let's go down
看看"格拉斯哥"这一地区有没有 To see the "Glasgow" if that helps
-他在那里 哦 他在那里呢 -看到了 - There he is. Oh, there he is - Uh-huh
工人 Laborer
恩 Yup
来自马尔岛 From the Island of Mull
他出生在马尔岛的Kilninian He was born in Mull, Kilninian
马尔岛的Kilninian Kilninian in the island of Mull
所以我们从马尔岛来 So we come from Mull
对 Yup
我去过马尔岛 那里很美 I've been to Mull. It's lovely
-是吗 -我不知道我们居然来自那儿 - Have you - I didn't know we came from there
啊哈 对啊 嗯哼 嗯哼 Yes, yes, uh-huh, uh-huh
马尔岛远卧于苏格兰西海岸 The island of Mull lies off the west coast of Scotland
距离David的故乡格拉斯哥17英里 17 miles from David's hometown of Glasgow
我要去马尔岛 去发现更多关于McLeods的事 I'm going to Mull to find out a bit more about the McLeods
今天以前 我还一直以为我们家就是来自格拉斯哥的 Up until today, I thought that they came from Glasgow
但是现在看来 显然 But obviously they have
我们家族的根远在荒野 Slightly more country roots
这趟行程的目的 可能就是找出 I mean I guess the purpose of the visit is to find out
为什么Donald要背井离乡 Why Donald left when he did
他的生活状况如何 And what life was like
他是因为难以维持生计才离开 Whether he left because life was untenable
还是说 因为他想去城市闯荡 Or whether he left because he wanted to go to the city
想看看城市里是不是遍地黄金 And see if the streets were paved with gold or not
我一直认为 自己是一个低地苏格兰人 I've always thought of myself as a lowlands Scot really
苏格兰高原在我心中是那种 The highlands have been something that
"你来 或者不来 它就在那里"的地方 但对它 I know what was there, but I've always felt
我一直有一种若即若离的感觉 A bit of a fraud aligning myself to them
而不是生于此长与此的血亲感 Rather than someone who has any kind of blood claim to being from here
所以 这就更让我觉得自己是个苏格兰人 So, maybe it'll give me a right to feel all the more Scottish
我由衷地为我的苏格兰血统而自豪 I'm intensely proud of Scotland
这纯粹是情感上偏爱 And that's a purely emotional thing
我是说 我不知道 I mean I don't
我不知道这种偏爱是怎么来的 I don't really have any understanding of why that should be
但我意识到 But I'm aware
这种偏爱已经不知不觉中浸透到我的基因里了 That it's somehow lobbed into my DNA
不是我说 这地方真的好远啊 It seems pretty remote, I have to say, for a
对 是远得很 Yes, yes, it is, it is
但是位置很好 不是吗 就在海湾弯过来这儿 Lovely setting though, isn't it, over the bay
啊 这儿美极了 Well, it's beautiful but
但是人迹罕至啊 It's the middle of nowhere
David和Brian正前往马尔岛Kilninian教区的教堂 David and Brian have come to Mull's Kilninian Parish Church
去探访Donald McLeod早期生活的蛛丝马迹 To look for clues about Donald McLeod's early life
-门上写的是1755年 -我也看到了 - 1755 over the door - I saw that
就是这个教堂建成的年份 That's just when the place was built actually
-对 -那这肯定是Donald的父母生活的时期 - Right - So that was definitely Donald's parents' time then
对 Yup
啊 这儿有点年久失修的样子 Well, it's a wee bit in disrepair
对 我觉得这儿正在翻修 Yes, I believe it's being refurbished
所以现在 现在这个教堂不对外开放 So it's not...it's not a functioning church at the moment
对 没有外人来 Not at the moment a functioning church, yes
那是骷髅头 There are people's heads
上帝啊 对 Oh my God, yes
这些真的是人的头骨吗 Are they actual skulls of people
有点怕 This is slightly macabre
这可能是一个远房亲戚呢 This might be a distant relative
拜见祖宗了 Meet the ancestor
我是不是 是不是踩踏了什么神圣墓地了 Are these...am I trampling on some holy burial ground here
我听说的是 From what I heard of the story is that
一群工人过来打算翻修地板 The workmen, when they came to redo the floor
把地板拆开之后发现了这些头骨 就那么简单 They took the floor off and found these skulls, as simple as that
那些工人觉得这些头骨是中世纪的 They believe they're medieval
但是权威的结论还没出来 But they have not yet been checked out
我可能不应该碰它 对吧 I probably shouldn't be touching this, should I
我可能 I'm probably
我可能破坏了几个世纪以来的古老证据 I'm probably destroying centuries' old evidences
还被拍下来了 And you got it on camera
-没事 -我来把你放回去 -没事 - You'll be all right. Just - Give you back, hand you on - Yeah
-这个名字是 Mical Cash -对是叫这个 - Mical Cash -Mical Cash, yes - Mical Cash
David需要查洗礼记录 David must check the baptism records
以进一步追寻关于Donald家庭的线索 To find out more about Donald's family
McLeod这个名字在这儿 Charles McLeod McLeod! Charles McLeod
啊 对 Oh yeah
-和Catherine McNiven成婚 -嗯 - And Catherine McNiven - Right
有了 had
-那又是什么 -Inivey - What's that - Inivey
名字后面跟的一般是一个地名 It's always a place name after that
所以这应该是一个叫做Inivey的地方 So it must be a place called Inivey
有一个叫做Donald的儿子 Had son Donald
就是这样 对 日期是什么时候呢 That's it, yup. What's the date
1819年 1819
好 然后ED表明"同上" Okay. And ED means "eo die"
就跟上一栏是一样的 那我们就知道了 That's the same day so there we are
我明白了 8月1号 Oh, I see. August the 1st
所以他是1819年8月1日在这个教堂受洗的 So he was baptized in this church on August the 1st, 1819
看起来Donald是10个孩子中的一个 It seems that Donald was one of ten children
确定吗 Really
恩 10个孩子 很大 很大的家庭啊 Uh-huh. Ten. Big, big family
她一直不停地生孩子 我觉得到1840年前都在生 She had children right on until I think it was 1830-odds
所以她应该 一直到40多岁 都在生小孩儿 So she was well, well into being, well past 40
所以 她嫁过来之后的20多年都在生 So she spent the next 20 years pregnant basically
她这辈子生了好多孩子啊 She spent a lot of time being pregnant
-对 -对的 - Yeah - You're right, yup
但是McLeod家族在Inivey的家究竟在马尔岛的何处呢 But where on Mull was the family home of Inivey
看着 David 这张地图 是从1860年开始记录的 Right, David, this map is from 1860
所以Inivey在哪里呢 So where is Inivey
在这张地图上 我没找到它 You know, I don't see it on this map
但是呢 But now
我知道有一个人 她知道Inivey在哪里 There is someone I know who will know where Inivey is
她是一个当地的历史学家 She is a local historian
那太好了 Okay
她肯定知道 And she's bound to know
好啊 Okay
至少我希望她知道 At least I hope she does
是啊 否则我们的线索就中断了 Yeah. Well, otherwise, we're very stuck
确实 不然就进行不下去了 We're really going to be stuck
我们在这条蜿蜒的小道上开了有一阵了 We've been driving down this wiggly roads for quite a while now
这条路离我们刚刚去过的那个小小的教区的教堂挺远的 It was a far away from that little parish church that we've just been
还得翻好些高高低低的山 And that's a bit of a far climbing on these
还是挺远的 bracony hills
身边有10个孩子要带 还要侍奉上帝 With up to ten children to go and make a peace with god
他们的日子一定过得很艰辛 So I imagine they are fairly hard people
可怜的Catherine Poor Catherine was
从19岁到40岁一直在生育 Pregnant from 19 to 40 from all we can see
曾经她爬过这些山的时候一定很辛苦 So it really can't be much fun climbing up the hill
山风会把裙子吹得掀起来 肚子里还有个孩子 With winds pulling in your skirts and other one in your belly
嗨 Meg Hi, Meg
感谢你能到这个美丽的海湾来 Thank you for coming here at this beautiful bay
嗨 Hi
我听说 I've been told
你可能知道那个传说中的Inivey That you might know where the mythical Inivey might have once been
它可不是传说中的 它可是真真儿的 It is there but isn't mythical, it's very solid
我们跑了很长的路才到这里 We had a long the road here
当地历史学家Meg Douglas Local historian Meg Douglas
将向David介绍他的家族曾经居住过的地方 Is going to show David where his family lived
他们一定有副好身板 They were obviously fit
没办法 生存技能啊 You couldn't be anything else, could you
是啊 No
现在你明白我为什么说要带上塔迪斯了吧 Now you know why I said bring TARDIS
终于走完了 Okay done with that
现在你得加件衣服了 I think it's time for you to wear the other gear
谢谢 Thank you
-开始感觉到苏格兰式的狂风呼啸了 -是啊 - It's beginning to be a bit Scottich that's why - Right
-有点苏格兰风情了吧 -是啊 - A bit Scottish is that it - Yeah
我们进房子里看看吧 OK, we'll go shelter in the house
我在想哦 But I mean there was
Charles和Cathererine有十个孩子对吧 Charles and Catherine had ten kids, didn't they
没错 That's right
那房子确实起码得要现在我们看到的这么大 So I would hope somewhere at least this size
这房子就这么点儿高 This is the height the house goes
不能更高了 It doesn't go any higher
只有这么点儿高吗 As high as this
对 Yes
那他们不能像我这么高了 是不是 And they wouldn't be as tall as me, would they
住在Inivey村落中的McLeod家族 Living in the village community of Inivey
曾经是农场雇工 The McLeods were cotters
在爱尔兰本土语盖尔语中 即"自给自足的农民" Gaelic speaking subsistence farmers
他们以实物偿还地主的租金 They pay their landlords' rent in kind
比如从沙滩上收获的海藻 With kelp from the beach
或是山坡里的泥炭 Peat from the hillside
或是丰收季节的谷物 Or wheat when the harvest allowed
他们能自给自足吗 还是说 Would they be self-sufficient or did they
他们必须得自给自足 They have to be self-sufficient
否则根本活不下去 种的嘛 主要是土豆 So there's nothing else they could be...potatoes...main crop
他们自己种的吗 Which they grow themselves
自己种的 Which they grow themselves
他们还有燕麦和大麦 And then...they had oats and barley
对 Right
用来酿威士忌 Well they use that to make whisky
这样啊 Right
他们总得做点什么 They have to make something too
-找找开心啊 -老天爷哟 - Something to cheer them up - I mean for goodness sake
这是他们的水源 This was their water supply
这是他们用来洗和喝的水吗 This is where they washed and drank
这是他们用来洗 喝 和其他日常所需的水 That's where they washed and they drank and everything
我觉得我应该采样鉴定一下 I feel I should sample it
那就来吧 Go on then
我也体验一下祖先过的日子 Just for the sake of the ancestors
没关系的 这水干净得很 It's alright, you'll find it lovely and clean
除了里面有几根海草以外 Well apart from a bit wrack in it
的确非常干净 Yeah it is very clean actually
的确很干净 还甘甜 That's very clean and it's lovely
是透明的甘泉 Should actually hyaline spring
但是他们以前会在这儿周围筑一道墙 But they would have a...well, they would build a wall around
这样可以防止牛羊靠近 Because it keeps the cattle and sheep away in the spot where they
所以他们一般是不会这样喝水的吗 So they wouldn't drink like that...necessarily
这只是部分原因 Well it's part of that
好吧 Right
水好喝吗 里头牛和小孩儿的污染物味道怎么样 What do you think of cows and children and the pollution
我是不是刚喝下了一堆排泄物 Have I just drunk I assume lots of shit and pee in it
你就想告诉我这个吧 Is that what you're telling me
没错 Yes
很好 我想死的心都有了 Nice, well I'm...I would rather die
可怜的DT~~~
你可以看到这里水流很快 What you see is fast flowing
嗯 Yeah
死去的羊群远在你的下游 And you are above the dead sheep which is further down
这真是个好消息 That's a relief
没错 这水闻名于 Yes, this water is known as
等我死了 When I was a skull
也许我会庆幸自己逃过了致命疾病的袭击 Maybe I'm just lucky to escape some deadly diseases
你会产生抗体的 You're getting your antibiotics
是啊 Yeah
然而在19世纪30年代 But in the 1830's
McLeod家族的生活方式发生了永久性的变化 The McLeod's way of life changed forever
我们刚刚经过的是 We've just come down through
早先时候人们种地的地方 David All the land where the people of the day farmed, David
嗯 Right
看到前边那大房子了没 And this shows us the big house
所以他们当初累死累活 So they were farming
就是为了给住在那儿的那个家伙交租金 To pay this guy here
就是这个人圈了这里一整块儿的土地 He was the one that cleared the whole of this area
随着工业革命的进程加快 As the industrial revolution gathered pace
苏格兰高地的地主发现 Highland landlords realized that
与其养McLeods家族这样的佃户 Sheep would be a better use of their land
还不如养羊的土地利用率更高 Than cotters like the McLeods
羊肉和羊毛都是值钱的商品 The meat and wool were valuable commodities
在南方的城市和工厂里 In the cities and factories of the south
所以地主们采取了一项措施 So landlords began a process of clearance
把佃户们扫地出门 Forcing families out of their homes
一些地主会采用残忍的手段 甚至将房子烧为平地 Some used brutal methods, even burning houses to the ground
在Inivey 圈地运动始于1814年 In Inivey the evictions began in 1814
像McLeod这样的佃户的房租开始上涨 Families like the McLeods had their rents raised
一旦无力支付 就会被赶出家园 And was served with eviction notices when they couldn't pay
为确保他们永远不再回来 To make sure they never returned
他们的家园都被烧为了灰烬 The roofs of their homes were burned
我没想到 I never considered that we went
我们居然跟这样的时期有这样的联系 That we had a link back to those times
这种事情听起来是那种 你知道 It's a sort of thing you know that
"圈地运动"是你只会在上课的时候听到的那种事 The clearance is something you hear about in school
感觉非常遥远 And it feels very far away
感觉就像是 It feels that it's something that
发生在几百万年前的事情 Happened to people millions of years ago
当然也不是那么遥远 And of course it's not all that far back
我想 这也是为什么追溯这些联系 That's why I supposed that's been quite shocking
会如此让人震惊的原因吧 To sort of have traced that link
圈地运动和经济移民改变了这片土地 Clearances and economic migration transform the landscape
以及原住民的生活 And the lives of its inhabitants
到19世纪末 By the end of the 19th century
苏格兰高地及群岛 Scotland highlands and islands
已成为欧洲人口增长最快的地区之一 Become one of the most fastly populated areas in Europe
这样的灭绝人性让人震惊 It's stunned humanity of it
简直让人有些困惑 That's just a bit bewildering
人们竟然对同胞做出这样的事情 That people can do that to each other
这是追溯自己血统的过程中 That's something about finding your own bloodline
不可避免地夹杂着这些东西 Mixed up in it
站在这些事曾经发生过的地方 俯瞰过去 And going standing in the places where it happened
我想这种感觉 That brings a home in a way that
就是历史的沧桑感吧 History brings the whole quite I suppose
你知道 看到McLeod家族的变迁 You know, and seeing McLeods
看到你母亲的姓名 Seeing your mother's maiden name
与这样的时代联系在一起 Connected to that such close quarters
觉得毛骨悚然 真的 It's grim, really
David的曾曾祖父Donald McLeod离开马尔岛 David's great great grandfather Donald McLeod left Mull
加入了为寻找新工作和新生活 And joins thousand seeking work and a new life
前往工业化的格拉斯哥的千军万马中 In industrial Glasgow
我猜在他前往格拉斯哥 This could be the last thing he saw I supposed at his homeland
开辟全新的McLeod家族道路之前 Before he set off for Glasgow
这里可能就是他在家乡的最后一眼了 To establish the McLeod line
他们只是生活在最底层的弱者 They were the underdogs and they were right at the bottom of the pile
但是他们挺过来了 并且生生不息地繁衍了下去 But you know they came through it and they reproduced
直至现在仍未停下脚步 And were still going
我为此感到深深骄傲 And I am rather proud of that
想象一下 It is curious to think that
假如轰轰烈烈的命运之浪没能席卷这个岛屿 If the vigorous fate hadn't pushed off the island
没能席卷到大城市 也没能席卷到我们家族的历史 Then into the big city, then our family history
我的生活可能会完全不同 I think my life could have been very different
因此我现在正往格拉斯哥赶 So I am now heading back to Glasgow
就像当年的Donald投奔了这个大城市一样 Back to the big city just the way Donald went
去探寻他的孙子身上发生了什么 And I am going to find out what happened to his grandson
我的祖父Archie出生在格拉斯哥 My grandfather Archie was born in Glasgow
却娶了一个爱尔兰女孩 就是我的祖母Nelly But married an Irish girl who is my granny Nelly
她是一个好祖母 很宠我们孙辈 She was a great granny, very indulging of us grandkids
总是给我们带糖果和礼物 She was always bringing us sweets and presents
我很后悔自己以前从没追究过她是来自哪里的 I regret I never really found out about where she came from
她的丈夫Archie Bold McLeod早在我出生前就过世了 And her husband, Archie Bold McLeod, was dead long before I was born
Donald的孙子Archie McLeod Donald's grandson, Archie McLeod
是家族里在格拉斯哥工作的第三代人 Was the third generation of the family to work in Glasgow
然而对足球的天赋把他从这个城市带到了爱尔兰 But his talent for football took him away from the city to Ireland
在那里 在1938年 他与Nelly Blair成婚 Where he married Nelly Blair in 1938
那个就是你的祖母Nelly Blair That was Nelly Blair, of course
你的祖父当时在德利城球队踢球 Your granddad was in Derry where he was playing there
嗯 Right
不是我说 但是这真的是超级浪漫的事 I mean no offense but that was just such a big thing the big romance
也就是说 她当时是在和当地的足球明星约会 So she was kind of going out with one of the local football stars
而且她本人也算是当地数一数二的美人了 Oh yeah, and she was of course a local beauty queen at the time
哦那时候她就是"爱尔兰呛口小辣椒" She was the posh spice of our days
我不想这样说你祖母 Well, I would hate to think for your grandma McLeod this way
但我真的无法把你祖父和时髦这个词联系在一起 I can't possibly imagine your grand McLeod ever being linked to posh
她有一句名言 我这辈子都不会忘 But she had a favorite phrase that would live with me till I die
她曾经喜欢说 She used to say
"听着 Sally 上帝会保佑爱尔兰和新教的" No Sally God bless island in the process of clergy
-你知道 -嗯 - You know - Yeah
她时不时地会冒出这句话 But it was coming out from time to time
但总是 我们只是一笑而过 But it was always...Well we just laughed
你知道 但这就是Nelly You know, but it was Nelly
我倒是很想八卦Blair家族的轶事 And I will be fascinated to know if farther back in the Blair saga
看看 There was anything
她家族的早年生活与某些传闻是否有什么关系 Linked to the troubles in the early days with her family
因为我们从来没有在家族圈子里谈论过这些事情 Coz we never, that was never spoken about it within the family circle
我很愿意探个究竟 And I was fascinated to figure this out
你不记得当年都在枕头底下放枪以防恐怖分子 You don't remember how a terrorist under your bed or
不不 但你会好奇嘛 No, no but you wonder
-嗨 John -David - Hi, John – David
-你怎么样 -见到你真好 - How are you doing - Good to see you
但首先David想深入了解一下祖父Archie But first David wants to find out more about grandfather Archie
所以他过来见Archie的儿子John So he has come to see Archie's son, John
John知晓Archie所有关于足球的光辉岁月 Who knows all about his footballing glory days
以前早期的比赛中 He achieved something that was really quite
他确实获得了一些殊荣 Special in the old days in the junior games
这是苏格兰帽 It was cap of Scotland
（注：帽子是球队的象征）
这是他穿过的球衣 That's the jersey he wore
真的有帽子啊 Is it really
你知道吗 帽子 Do you know, the whole cap thing
我之前还不相信他真的有帽子 I didn't think Archie actually got a cap
苏格兰对爱尔兰 Scotland Vs Ireland
看到了 Right
1932年和1933年 1932 and 33
就这张照片里 他穿着那件球衣 And that's the jersey he wore in that photograph
那大约是1932年 That was about 1932
哪个是他 哪个哪个 Where is he? Where is he
你能认出他吗 Can you pick him out
我以前见过的他 比这里的老得多啊 All the photos I have seen him is older than in this thing
这里 There
啊对 这一看就是我的头发 Ah right It's obviously my hair
这一看就是我们的家族特征了 That was obviously our family feature
后来他去了德利城队 He moved on to Derry City
为什么会去德利城 How did Derry City come about
我猜也许是德利城出了很诱人的价钱吧 I think Derry city probably had money that would entice him over there
这些是那个时代典型的照片 These are just typical of the photographs of that era
"McLeod在射点球 对战波达丹" McLeod is on the mark this time, scoring against Portadown
（注：北爱尔兰足球超级联赛队伍）
-那是他 他在射门耶 -没错 - So that's him, actually scoring a goal - Yeah that's him
其实他从来没有真的对足球感兴趣过 He was never really interested in football
但是这对我不是什么大事 But it's never a big thing for me
-我也踢过 但我实在太烂了 -是吗 - I tried to play but I was rubbish - Did you
如果我也像Archie一样有天赋的话 So maybe if I've been naturally gifted like Archie
我可能会坚持下去的 I might have stuck with it
但是部分因为这个 也因为我在格拉斯哥长大 But partly because of that and partly because I grew in Glasgow
我总是喜欢说 要靠自己 I was always afraid to say line yourself
-别自己跟自己过不去 -我知道 - You avoid fight yourself - Yes, yes
你也知道后来 宗教纷争什么的 As you know the whole sectarian divide
格拉斯哥的天主教徒和新教教徒的关系变得很紧张 And in Glasgow the whole Catholics and Protestants
足球队之间也是如此 Go along with football teams as well
我记得祖母 I do remember granny being
有的时候很死脑筋 A little bit unreconstructed in some of her views
我记得在家里 她笑的时候都不露牙齿 I do remember she wouldn't have grinned in the house
因为她觉得这是 Because she saw that as
啊对 这是 Oh yes, that was
天主教徒的做法 Catholic
对 绝对是这样 Yes, absolutely yes
就这么简单 Is that as simple as what it was
真的就那么简单 It really was
如果你 你知道 If you were, you know
你也提到了 也许表面上她没那么坚强 You mentioned the fact that she maybe wasn't quite as strong
也许在思想立场上也有所不同 Or whatever and in different direction with this divide
但她就是一直受到大家的喜爱 But that was one that she was consistent with all our like
我想去想象一下她的政治信仰 I would like to imagine her political beliefs
她可能是个右翼的人 One quite is right wing perhaps but
好吧 好吧 OK, OK, well
激进分子 Still of jacobinical
你也知道 But you know
我们有一些事是必须得弄清楚的 We've got some stuff to address here absolutely to find it out
德利城球队的主场位于北爱尔兰伦敦德里 Derry City's home ground in Londonderry in Northern Ireland
20世纪30年代Archie McLeod成了该队的明星球员 It was here in the 1930's that Archie McLeod became a local superstar
David正和Billie及Barry McLaughlin在一起 David's with Billie and Barry McLaughlin
他们是David从未谋面的两个爱尔兰堂兄 Irish cousins he has never met before
是支持了德利城球队40年的老球迷 Who have supported Derry City for 40 years
就在这里 David的外祖父在一个赛季里进了57个球 This is where his grandfather scored 57 goals in a single season
这样的记录至今无人能破 A remarkable record that still stands today
Archie McLeod曾经每个周六都到这儿的一堵墙那里练习 Archie McLeod will play here on the every wall, every day, every Saturday
-从这儿看过去 -嗯 - And we would look up here - Yeah
在靠右边 南边那块地 On the right, southern ground
他们训练用的球又大又沉 A big heavy ball
他们会跑过那堵墙 Archie继续向前跑 再踢一个来回 And they will cross the wall and Archie would go ahead to another ball
这样啊 Yeah
你好贴心 You are very kind
看啊 Look at that
这么多年过去 仍然有人记得Archie和Nellie In the crowd, Archie and Nellie are still remembered
比如德利城的退役球员 Matt Doherty By former Derry player Matt Doherty
今天晚上可算碰上你了 你以前是德利城的球员 I met you tonight. You played for Derry City
对 以前是 I played for Derry City, yes
你爸爸以前也是德利城的球员 And your dad played for Derry City
对 他也是 Correct, yes
你爸爸和我外祖父是队友 And your dad played with my granddad
没错 That's right
你一定得听听这个 是我妈告诉我的 I must tell you about the day my mother told me like
-那天她和你外婆Nellie一起 -嗯哼 - She was sitting in the stand with Nellie Blair - Yeah, yeah
-坐在看台上 -然后呢 - from the other siting - Yeah
几个球迷想捉弄捉弄你外婆 And a few of the supporters was giving Nellie a hard time about Archie
因为知道她和Archie订婚了 Knowing that she was engaged with Archie
那个时候他俩还没正式领证 And they weren't married at this time
当然了 Nellie气得站起来 挥雨伞对着他们的头一通乱打 And of course Nellie stood up battling their heads with her umbrella
-这就是我外婆啊 -是吧 - That sounds like the granny that I knew - Really
我完全可以想象出来 I have to say, I would figure
我外婆Nellie真是大美人吗 Is it true that Nellie was a bit of beauty queen
你觉得她是丢人堆里一眼就认得出那种吗 Do you think she sort of noticed I mean she still got a wee charm
你有一个倾国倾城的外婆 我打包票 You had a good looking grandmother, that I can tell you
所以我外公外婆 他们俩真是引人瞩目的一对儿啊 So that has been quite a self-celebrated couple, don't you think
那当然了 Of course
好潮啊 一对潮人 It's posh bit. It's posh bit
我外公Archie一定是想来这儿碰碰运气 For Archie it must have been a bowl coming here
来到这儿 他肯定觉得这是一个被上帝眷顾的城镇 He must have come to Derry and thought this is God's country
"我在这儿可是大明星啊" I am a big star here
"我要和镇花约会" And I am going to go out with the local beauty queen
"我要好好享受一把" I am going to have a rare old time
所以我一定会对我外公说 "好好享受吧 明星Archie" So go on your cel, Archie. That's what I say
这里真是太棒了 It's great here
在这儿看看杂七杂八的地方也挺好的 It's nice to visit quite grand here as well
因为这里所有的一切都跟我记忆中的外婆相关 Because it all ties in with the woman I remember
当然我印象中的她比这要老得多 她也早已不在人世 Who were of course much older and had lived their lives to an end but
但是一想到她曾经生活在这里 还算是个风云人物 The idea of being here and being quite bit of a character
还用雨伞揍人 Battling with an umbrella
我印象中的外婆就活过来了 很有意思 That all fits, that makes sense
嗯 我现在在找克鲁尼特勒斯大街 Well, I am looking for Clooney Terrace
就是我外婆Nellie曾经住过的地方 Where Nellie, my grandmother lived and indeed returned to
后来她在那儿怀上了我妈妈 To have my mom
好像就是这儿 I think this is it
就是这儿了 克鲁尼特勒斯大街47号 This is it. This is 47 Clooney Terrace
Nellie长大的地方 Where Nellie grew up
她不会喜欢它现在成了这副酒庄的模样 She would not like that it was now offer licensee
跟她一点儿也不配 That would not suit Nellie at all
她要是知道了得气死 She would be right affronted by that
想想就觉得怪怪的 这是妈妈出生的地方啊 It's weird to think that's where mom was born
显然现在成为了卖酒的小铺 Obviously now for licensee, but
我要是能看见她一定会告诉她的 That's what I would tell her when I go by
但是 在20世纪30年代 But being a footballer's wife in the 1930's
作为球星的妻子可没有现在那么风光 Was very different from today
虽说挂着球星的名 Archie每周只有5磅的收入 Despite being a star player, Archie earned just 5 pounds a week
这一对年轻夫妇要靠Nellie的父母维持生计 The young couple had to live with Nellie's parents
直至一次受伤终结了Archie的职业生涯 Until injury ended Archie's career
随后他们回到了苏格兰 and they had to return to Scotland
从我到这儿以来 天气一直都很好 Since I arrived here, the weather has been so nice
想到自己发掘了家庭的历史 It has slightly fairy tale feel
想象过去 我的家人们在这样闲闲散散的阳光下生活 Rediscovering this that I found my family history
有种童话故事的感觉 And imagine them all living in this beautiful sunny idle
当然了这里是凯尔特的城镇 But of course this is a Celtic country
所以大部分时候还是会下雨 so it must have rain most of the time
但是眼下 我宁愿去想象年轻的Nellie Right now, it is rather nice to believe that young Nellie
轻快的身影在长街上跳跃着 Hopped some skip along the street
阳光融化在她脚下的人行道上 With the sun cracking the pavement
她一定常常出现在街角 She would have been there most of the time
但是长大了的Nellie却遇上了新教与天主教之间 But Nellie grew up and meets the storm of sectarian tension
腥风血雨的宗教风暴 Between Protestants and Catholics
David希望通过了解他外祖母的身份背景 David wants to explore his grandmother's background
一探她坚定的新教立场 And find the roots of her staunch Protestant views
我想了解那些分歧和反对的真相 I suppose it would be interesting to know how
了解Nellie成长的那个世界的真相 The separates and antagonistic that was
大概会很有意思吧 That world Nellie grew up in
去弄清楚他们是否宁愿接受宗教思想 Or whether they just received the opinions that
冷却蠢蠢欲动的燥热氛围 Blow out some hot air rather than
也不愿掺和到暴力中 anything more violent, I suppose
我不知道是不是这样 I wonder if that bit works
我之前从没去过北爱尔兰 I have never been to the Northern Ireland before
所以我对它的印象会是怎样的呢 So you know I wanted to see it's a kind of
你想 要是你在一个充满暴力的城镇里长大 You know, you grew up with loopholes of all the violence
我还小的时候 When I was a kid and
就常常听到伦敦德里在"那种报道"里被提到 Derry of course was often mentioned in those reports
这里看起来风和日丽 It seems such a beautiful place
就现在 就完全单纯地客观地看看四周 Just looking at it completely objectively at the moment
你完全无法想象 You can't quite imagine
这里发生了如此血腥暴力的事件吧 That it is a violent place
古老的围墙依然重重封锁着伦敦德里 Londonderry is still dominated by its ancient siege walls
几百年来 它们始终提醒着人们 A reminder that the city has been associated with
这座老城曾一度掀起宗教纷争 Religious strife and sectarianism for hundreds of years
爱尔兰是以天主教为主的国家 Ireland was a mainly Catholic country until in the early 17th century
直到17世纪 爱尔兰人民被殖民的土地上 When English Protestant settlers were given land
来了英格兰的新教教徒 Confiscated from the Irish
1688年 伦敦德里成了 In 1688, Londonderry became the frontline
英格兰王位之争的前沿阵地 Of a struggle for the English crown
即新教奥兰治亲王威廉 Between Protestant King William of Orange
和被废黜的天主教国王詹姆士二世之争 And deposed Catholic King James II
天主教军队将新教的驻军 The city's Protestant garrison was besieged
围困城中达105天之久 By the Catholic army for 105 days
直到奥兰治亲王率领援军前来解围 Until relief arrived from William of Orange
直到今天 新教的一些组织比如"橙带党" The siege of Derry is still celebrated today
依旧会在每个夏季 庆祝多年前的今天 By Protestant organizations like Orange Lodges
他们从天主教徒手中取得的胜利 Which march every summer to commemorate the victory over the Catholics
David正走在拜访另一个堂兄Billy Blaire的路上 David is on his way to see another cousin Billy Blaire
想更多地了解新教对他的家庭的影响 To find out more about his family's Protestant heritage
我曾经住在格拉斯哥的公寓里 那是女王耶 I lived in flat in Glasgow and that's the Queen
我们当时的情况可比现在好多了 I guess we don't want kind of an area we are in now then
要是体验过"进军季"你就懂了 You used to experience the marching season
在格拉斯哥 "橙带党"的游行仍在继续 Because the Orange March is still goin' on in Glasgow
说正经的 有点震惊 It is very...it's quite shocking
一眼看到大街小巷里 To see just on very ordinary
普通老百姓的房子墙上 Family streets these huge murals
满是那种宗教政治的涂鸦 乍一看有点惊到我 My immediate reaction is one of slight kind of horror if I'm honest
但我觉得我还没资格做出任何评论或者判断 But like I say I don't really feel qualified to be judgmental about it
我觉得我得尽可能地 So I think I have got to try
包容地看这些问题 And be as open-minded as possible
当然这些所见所闻并不会影响到我的自由观什么的 It doesn't really solve my guardian or either liberalism though
渐渐看清Nellie那一隅世界的全貌 Seeing close quarters the world that Nellie came from
了解她所持的观点立场 And knowing some of the view she held
然后再去接触她爸爸William所处的新教文化背景 It doesn't make you wonder how involved her father William was
就不会那么奇怪了吧 In the whole Protestant culture at that time
Nellie的父亲William Blair于1886年出生于伦敦德里 Nellie's father William Blair was born in Londonderry in 1886
David想从William的孙子Billy Blair身上 David hopes to discover more about the Protestant community
了解William曾经参加过的新教组织 That William lived in from his grandson Billy Blair
谢啦 Thank you
我们来的时候在附近的一个街角看到了 Not far from here as we were coming in just around the corner there is
我猜可能是 A very
新教徒集中的一个区域 就是墙上有大幅的壁画那种 I imagine a very Protestant area with a big murals on every wall
画着各种 像女王或者其他的标志 With the picture of the Queen and then various
Blair家族追根到底就是从这里起源的吧 That traditionally is where the Blair families been from, right
是跟新教有关系吧 It's a...a very Protestant background
我父亲曾是橙带党党员 My father was...he was an Orange man
-原来他是 -他是 - Oh he was - He was
我想起来我还有我父亲曾经穿戴过的东西 你等等 I have actually got something here my father had worn
好 Right
这带子是叫"绶带"对吧 Would you like to call the sash ting up there
他参加橙带党的时候带的 That was actually in the Lodge that belonged to him
1688年的时候 That is 1688 is actually the Orange Lodge
他墓碑上放着右边那条橘黄色的绶带 And that is right by the graveyard the yellow one
这样啊 Right, right
他们还为参加组织的人设了一个纪念礼堂 So they have a hall of where they attended
William那时候参加军队了吗 Was William in a Lodge's arm
我不清楚 你去礼堂那儿找找也许能知道 I don't know, you can probably found it in the memorial hall
拿着那条绶带你有什么感想吗 How did you feel when you were handed that sash
不舒服 就算这会儿拿着它 我还是不舒坦 Not great, I didn't...even now I'm not that comfortable holding it
在我看来 An orange sash
一条橙带党的橙带是侵略的象征 Has always to me been quite a potent symbol of aggression
而不是为人类带来爱与和平 And of...certainly not about reaching peace and love amongst men
我爸爸一辈子都在教堂做牧师 My father who has been a man of church's gown all his life
但是在这条橙带面前 But when you soon to be seen in an orange sash
一切都好像毫无意义 And flying to the moon, really
我很难把这样的事件 So it is quite difficult for me to reconcile
和那样可爱的人们联系起来 That with these very lovely people I met this morning
更难把它们和我的外祖母 And indeed with my grandmother
还有其他家人联系起来 And these other people in my family
我照着Billy说的去了纪念礼堂 I followed Billy's lead and I have come to memorial hall
想找寻更多我的家人和那个组织间的联系 And to find out a bit more about the family connection to the lodges
我在试着尽可能不作任何判断 And I'm trying very hard not be judgmental about it
-您好 -我是Gilbert - Hello - Gilbert
-我就是来找您的 -欢迎你 -谢谢 - Yes I am - You are very welcome - Thank you
跟我来 Just follow me
纪念礼堂内 Inside the memorial hall
陈列着历史上伦敦德里的新教主义的文化核心 Lies the historic heart of Londonderry Protestantism
-说起来 -我一直在想你什么时候来 - So what is - I always have wondered when you were coming
啊 一直在跑来跑去的 这不是来了嘛 I'm kind of, I am a bit, yeah, of course
曾经也是橙带党一员的William Temple为David提供了 William Temple of the Orange Order has information for David
有关他的曾外祖父William Blair的资料 About his great grandfather William Blair
1912年William26岁 William was 26 years old in 1912
这一年对爱尔兰新教徒来说是危机重重的一年 A year of crisis for Irish Protestants
在爱尔兰西北省份阿尔斯特 They were the majority in Ulster
新教徒占居民的绝大多数 In the northwest province of Ireland
但是天主教的民族主义者 But they felt threatened by Catholic Nationalist demand
对他们提出了内部自治的威胁 For home rule
要求从大不列颠半独立出去 A form of semi-independents from Britain
到了1912年的9月 In September 1912
几乎有50万的新教徒签署了 Almost half a million Protestants signed
反对内部自治的《阿尔斯特公约》 The Ulster Covenant against home rule
我想让你看看这里的东西 So this is here I would like you to have a look at it
《阿尔斯特同盟条约》 我们的良心已然承认 Ulster Solemn League and Covenant, being convinced in our consciences
内部自治将会让阿尔斯特大地生灵涂炭 That home rule would be disastrous to the material wellbeing of Ulster
其宗教自由亦会天翻地覆 Subversive over several and religious freedom
在此危急存亡之秋 我们凭此公约庄严宣誓 We to hereby pledge ourselves in Solemn Covenant throughout
我们将携手同舟共济 This our time of threatened calamity to stand by one another
采取一切必要手段 And in using all means which may be found necessary
来粉碎眼下的一切阴谋 To defeat the present conspiracy
并在爱尔兰设置自治议会 To set up a home rule parliament in Ireland
这儿还有一份可能有用的东西 There is something here that might be of interest
这就是签过名的公约 是吧 Well this is the undersigned, is it
看到了 I see
克鲁尼特勒斯的William Blair William Blair of Clooney Terrace
那是他的签名 我曾祖父的签名 There he is that is my great grandfather
克鲁尼特勒斯大街47号 47 Clooney Terrace
是同一个文件对吧 就是墙上这个公约 And this is that isn't it that is the same thing
对 你手上的就是签名的人的花名册 That is the names of the people who signed that
他就在这儿 我们找到他了 There he is. We have found him
克鲁尼特勒斯大街47号的Agnes Blair Agnes Blair of 47 Clooney Terrace
Nellie的父母亲都在公约上签了名 That was Nellie's parents both of them signed the covenant
他们都确信内部自治条约将会变得不可收拾 They were convinced that home rule would be disastrous
David想找出他的曾外祖父母 David wants to find out why his great grandparents
William和Agnes William and Agnes
签订公约的原因 Signed the covenant
因此他前去拜访历史学家 So he has come to meet historian
Richard Doherty Richard Doherty
嗨David David
很高兴见到你 Lovely to meet you
我也一样 Likewise
啊 临劲风立于城墙之上 On these wind-swept Derry walls
-确实 好大风 -是啊 - Very wind-swept I think - Yeah, yeah
我刚刚在阿尔斯特同盟条约的副本上 I have just been...umm, well I've just seen my ancestor's names
看到了我祖先的名字 On a copy of the Ulster Covenant
是的 Yes
那意味着什么 意味着我的曾外公外婆做了什么 What does that mean? What does it tell me about them
爱尔兰境内许多新教徒开始意识到 Most of the Protestants throughout Ireland feel that
地区自治将会威胁到他们在联合王国中的地位 Home rule was going to endanger their position within the UK
最可怕之处在于 他们意识到这是一种入侵 And worst than that they see it as introducing
到时候不仅仅是地区自治 Not just home rule but Rome rule governance
罗马天主教会进一步控制爱尔兰 Of the Catholic Church
那么这是否意味着 And does this mean because my great grandfather
因为我曾外公和曾外婆的名字出现在那张纸上 And my great grandmother's names are on this piece of paper
所以他们得在床底下藏几把枪以防万一吗 Does that mean they were stocking short guns underneath their beds
我的意思是 那些明目张胆不加掩饰的武力威胁 I mean the kind of the barely concealed threat of violence
公约里信誓旦旦的武力威胁 In awarding of the covenant
真的就那么堂而皇之吗 Was that very really yet
我认为随后的战争是武力威胁非常真实直观的反映 I think that war's a very real aspect to the threat of violence
但是如果是一对非常善良的中产阶级或低层的夫妇 But would a nice low or middle class man and his wife
每个礼拜天都会去教堂的那种 Who went to church every Sunday
这样的人 真的准备好战斗了吗 Would they genuinely be prepared to fight
我觉得有一些那样的老百姓是有准备的 I think some folk like that were prepared to fight
我们得设身处地 身临百年前的那个"境"里 I think what we got to try to do is transport ourselves back a century
去感同身受他们的恐惧 或者起码试着感同身受 And see what they feared or try to feel what they feared
那么除了单纯的宗教恐惧 And beyond just a religious fear
他们是不是还怕自己会受到迫害 Did they also fear that they would be persecuted that their lives
怕自己的生活会陷于水深火热之中 Their lifestyles would be at risk
确实 还有生意 他们也怕 They did very much so. They fear that their businesses
这已经不仅仅是宗教信仰是否自由的问题了 It wasn't just we won't be able to worship the way we want to worship
真实的情况远比这艰深 It was bigger than that
对啊 现实情况要复杂得多 水深得多 It was much, much bigger than that
国家整体社会和商业结构 And it was a feeling that the entire social and commercial structure
甚至国家今后的走向 都会受到影响 True or false of the country would be affected
你看 这就是这份公约自相矛盾的地方 That was the paradox of the Covenant you know
为了证明我们对王权的忠诚 In order to prove that we are loyal to the crown
且保持忠诚 And that we wish to remain loyal to the crown
我们准备好拿起武器 对抗王权 We are prepared to take our arms against the forces of the crown
1914年新教的忠诚拥护者和天主教民族主义者 By 1914, Protestant loyalists and Catholic Nationalists
之间的内战已处于爆发的边缘 Were on the brink of Civil War
但是一场更为可怕的战争推迟了冲突 But this conflict was delayed by a far more terrible one
那就是第一次世界大战 The First World War
到1914年 William Blair是汉密尔顿军乐队的 In 1914, William Blair was a flute player
一名长笛手 In the Hamilton Marching Band
带领橙带党游行 Which led the Orange Lodge Parades
David知道William参加了战争 David knows that William fought in the war
是Billy吗 Billy
我是 你好David Yes David
嗨 很高兴见到你 Hi, nice to meet you
很高兴见到你 Nice to meet you
因此他来到伦敦德里的新教教堂 So he has come to Londonderry's Protestant Cathedral
向乐队成员Billy Cairns To ask band member Billy Cairns about
询问有关William从军的故事 How William became a soldier
我现在追踪汉密尔顿军乐队 I'm on the trail now of the Hamilton Marching Band
是吗 Yeah
我发现我的曾外公也是其中一员 Which I lead to believe that my great grandfather was involved in
是啊 的确如此 Yeah,it was indeed
战争一爆发他们就立即参军了吗 So as soon as war broke out they signed up immediately
是的 他们参军了 Yeah,hey signed up
但是你也别忘了 在那个时候 But you have to remember in those days
人们并不了解战争 There wasn't much work of it
对于战争 人们相信所有人 On the fight there was a common belief
都会在圣诞节前回家 That they would be home by Christmas
当然了 Of course
而且在这里他们没有工作 And here...and here they had no work
而参军的话就有机会穿上军服 They had the opportunity, they got their uniform
展现男子汉气概 Butch
还有钱拿 Pay
还可以白去法国玩一趟 And a trip to France
绝大部分听起来简直就是酷炫啊 Which most of...sound really smashing
当然啦 Sure
这些人没有工作 没有家产 The people had no work, no states
很多人也不清楚他们将会面对什么 And a lot of them didn't know what was in front of them of course
嗯 Right
这就是那面鼓了 鼓一敲 那声音听就像 And this is the drum. The sound of it
-左 右 左 右 -是啊 -Left, right, left, right -Right
给所有人下指令 For all of them
那么它也去过法国 这面鼓也去过法国 So this went to France, this drum went to France
对 这鼓去过法国 This drum went to France
这一架是士兵们的镇队之鼓 This was used in as a community drum for the soldiers
他们轻轻将地鼓放平 像这样 They would lay the drum down this way
然后在鼓圈上镶上一条白线 The party would put white line cross the drum
让它体体面面地履行自己的职责 And then it will conduct a community service
-它可是经历了整个战争啊 -对 从头到尾 - This went all through the war - All through the war
我这儿还有些照片和信息 And I have some photographs here and some information
你一路浏览下来就会发现 And if you scan all the way down here you will find
- William Blair - W. Blair - William Blair - W. Blair
参加了第15连队 Attended 15th Company
是皇家医疗军队 Royal Army Medical Corp
数以千计的年轻的男性新教徒报名参战 Thousands of young Protestant men signed up
为国王和国家而战 To fight for King and country
希望自己的忠诚能够阻止地方自治的进程 Hoping this demonstration of loyalty would stop home rule
像William这样曾经是军乐队成员 Marching band members like William
后来编入阿尔斯特第36军团的人 Who became part of the 36th Ulster Division
自然就成为了战场上的担架员 Automatically became stretcher bearers on the battlefield
1916年7月的第一个黎明 By dawn on the first of July 1916
Wiliam正在索姆河战役的第一线 William was in the trenches of the Somme
这些军乐队成员可能经历过什么 What would be the experience of what these band members
他们在索姆河战役中都有些什么亲身经历 What were their personal experience be at the Battle of the Somme
那天早上 在战争最惨烈的时候 Well they wouldn't have been held back
他们本不愿意后滞在战壕里 When the battalion went over the top that morning
无人区成了人间地狱 No Man's Land was quite literally a hell
（注：无人地带是双方要争夺的地方，其范围通常为两个壕沟之间的区域）
因为伤亡人数已经达到了难以置信的程度 Because the number of casualties have become absolutely unbelievable
因此他们只能匍匐在战壕里 So they are just...they are cowering in those trenches
听着头顶的厮杀声 Hearing all this mayhem going on above them
然后被告知他们什么都不能做 只能做好准备 And being told there is nothing they can do about it, just to set up
事实的确如此 That is quite literally it
他们只能呆在原地 They have to stay where they are
直到接到前进的命令 Until they have given the order to go forward
然后试着为伤员做点什么 And try to do something for the wounded
所以在无人地带里 那些伤员的生杀大权 So they would be making decisions in No Man's Land
就掌握在他们手中 As to whether someone was worth saving or not
他们得做出决定 They would certainly have had to make a decision
这个人是否值得花时间救治或者带回部队 As to whether somebody was worth spending the time or bringing back
许多许多的担架员在战争中为救援其他人 Many, many stretcher barriers in the course of the war lost their lives
而牺牲了自己的生命 Trying to rescue other men
这些担架员的身上闪现着英雄的光辉 They have tremendous acts of heroism carried out by stretcher bearers
因为他们的工作性质决定了他们无法武装自己 Who for the nature of their work were not themselves armed
在索姆河战役的第一天 On that first day of the Battle of the Somme
200多名阿尔斯特人 More than 200 Ulster men
清教徒以及天主教徒丧命于此 Protestants and Catholics were killed
经历了那样的日子 Just to have lived through that
经历了那样的屠杀 Have lived through that carnage
见证了同伴被残害 To have seen all these mates butchered
然后将无人地带中同伴的遗骸一点点地捡回来 They presumingly have to pick some of them up in bits in No Man's Land
我想这些事 I mean...I guess
一旦经历过就再也不堪回首 If you live through that you just never want to go back then
很难说换了我会不会那样做 It is difficult to know if I could have done it
你想 如果他们知道自己的未来会是这样 I mean if they know where they were going to
很难知道他们中的多少人 It is difficult to know how many of them
还会自愿前往 Would have gone quite so willingly as well
谁又能知道呢 Who knows
如果我在那个时候 也许我也会报名 I mean if I have lived then maybe I would have sign up
和其他人一样 为了到法国的远行 Along with everyone else for jaunt of it
为了历险而报名 For the adventure of it
反正我可以回家过圣诞节 一切都会好的 Because I would be home for Christmas so it would be fine
William在一天清晨回到了阿尔斯特 William returned to Ulster in morning
像Blair一样的新教徒联合派家庭 Protestant unionist families like the Blairs
相信自治终会粉碎 Believe home rule would falter
大不列颠一定不会辜负他们在索姆河战场上的牺牲 Surely Britain wouldn't betray their sacrifice at the Somme
但是在1920年 But in 1920
爱尔兰被仍属大不列颠的阿尔斯特 Ireland was partitioned by a border
和爱尔兰自由州之间的边境线分割 Between Ulster, which remained British, and the Irish free state
Blair家族的故乡伦敦德里 The Blair family home of Londonderry
仅在北爱尔兰里新大不列颠属地的4英里之内 Was just 4 miles inside the new British state of Northern Ireland
毗邻边境 危机四伏 Perilously close to the border
新教徒联合派感到自己处于包围之下 Protestant unionists felt besieged
正如他们两百多年前的伦敦德里之围一样 Just as they had at the Siege of Derry over 200 years earlier
William的父亲James Blair William's father James Blair
曾是当地橙带党的成员 Was a member of the local Orange Lodge
在20世纪20年代他曾是伦敦德里的联合派议员 In the 1920's, he was prominent unionist councilor in Londonderry
David已经到达了James Blair David has come to the guild hall
曾置身的议会会厅里 Where James Blair sat on the council
现在我面前的都是记录本 议会记录 So I have got minutes, the council minutes
从1917年开始一直到现在 And from 1917 onwards here
我想详细查找一下 看看我们能不能 Just to have a better look to see if we can find any references
从与James相关的历史记录中得到帮助 Towards James that I have been up to
就在这里 他属于议会的多数派 There he is in most of the councils, James Blair
1922年11月20日 20th of November 1922
James Blair参加了 James Blair was in attendance
新教徒联合派的操纵选票 That day Protestant Unionist vote rigging
即所谓的不公正选举 Known as Gerrymandering
激怒了议会中的天主教民族主义者 Outraged Catholic nationalists on the council
其愤怒源于操纵选票者 The grievance which is the gerrymander of the wards
为了保护本教的利益而故意排挤天主教多数派 Done deliberately for the purpose of swamping the Catholic majority
天主教徒占人口总数的56.21% Catholics being 56.21% of the population
得到40%的代表席位 Get 40% of the representation
相对应的是占人口总数43.79%的新教教徒 And all others protestants 43.79% of the population
却得到了60%的代表席位 Get 60 % of the representation
这似乎无论如何都不像我们今日所理解的民主 Which doesn't seem like democracy as we understand it today, anyway
James显然是 James was obviously
坚定地站在新教教徒阵营 A very firmly on the protestant side of the fence
凭我们之前的了解 这是意料之中的 Which is no surprise after everything else we have discovered
而且似乎天主教徒派在那样的势力下感受到了压迫 It would seem that the Catholics are feeling very oppressed
并且尽可能地协力反对 By the powers that be and are ranging against that as best they can
1922年伦敦德里的天主教徒人数 In 1922, Londonderry had nearly twice
接近新教徒的两倍 As many Catholics as Protestants
尽管新教徒联合派占少数 Despite being in the minority
但是通过操纵选票和排斥天主教派的势力 The Protestant Unionist party maintained the power
他们仍掌控着议会大权 By vote rigging and discriminating against Catholics
Martin你来了 Martin
历史学家Macchio Hoyne Historian Macchio Hoyne
为David带来了更多关于James的信息 Has more information for David about James
-很高兴见到你 -很高兴见到你 - Pleased to meet you - Pleased to meet you
我听说你是这方面的专家 So I am told you are a bit of an expert
请吧 So help yourself
James似乎对工人阶级很感兴趣 He seems to have particular interest
也经常为他们提供物资 And provision of working class in the society
这些都展现出他强烈的社会责任感 Exhibited a very kind of strong social conscience as well
他为护士的工资和危机发声 He argued for wage and crisis for nurses
为工人的生活条件和名誉发声 He argued for better conditions for the names of the workers
我觉得一个人在他的职业生涯中 I mean someone that can seems to be
能够持之以恒地坚持自己的政治理想 Taking throughout its political career to have a particular interest
-为劳苦大众谋利益 是很不容易的 -是啊 - And kind be in conditions of kind of working people - Right, good
-这是显然的 -真棒啊Jimmy 听到这些我真高兴 - That's quite clear - Good on you Jimmy, glad to hear that
James这样的人对于委员会和其他许多意义上 That is someone who is kind of an architect for
都是重要的建设者 Unionist and many senses because
-因为这个同盟会是一个工人的联合会 -对 - It was a labor unionist - Right
而这种工人的联合会 Labor unionist are particularly concerned with
和当代意义上的工会的形成息息相关 Modern class kind of unionist form really
嗯 那真的挺好的 Right. That is good to hear
这儿说他是 "社会的公正最终来临" That of...best social justice coming through
参议员James Blair之死
"他最终证明 In the true sense of the word
自己确是贫苦百姓的守卫者" He ever proved himself a guardian of the poor
"美丽的花圈和花环装点了他的葬礼" There were many beautiful wreaths and floral tributes
"其中一些是来自他深爱的妻子 Including those from his loving wife
儿子William 和其他家族成员的" His son William and family
好多孙辈 That's a lot
"有Jim Jack Nellie还有Maisie" Grandchildren. Jim, Jack, Nellie and Maisie
-看 那是我的外婆Nellie -看到了 - There. That is my Granny Nellie - Nellie
他是个大人物 是吧 He was a big deal, wasn't he
在这上面看到外婆的名字让我觉得很有意思啊 God it's funny to see Granny's name there
一下子就 就全串起来了 Just brings up, sort of links it all up
突然你真切地感受到了那种联系 Suddenly you really feel the line
其实在这儿看到的有些关于James的事 Some of the things I discovered about James there
我还蛮难接受的 I was finding quite hard to take
也很难赞同 It's quite hard to be sympathetic
当你看到重划选区的黑幕 When you read about Gerrymandering
或者说好听些 当你看到操纵选票这种事 And you read about vote rigging for one of the better word
起码跟 And it doesn't feel like
我原以为的"民主"不太一样 An understanding of democracy that I would have known
说实话 我是有点失望的 So I was beginning to despair slightly
但是看到所有的尔虞我诈是为了社会公正 But reading it's battering to this sense of social justice
也是不得已而为之 当然这些都让我从心底爱戴他 That you seem to have...which makes me like him a lot, of course
但是难免还是有点阴影 So there is obviously shades of gray there
要是把James的所作所为放在历史的大环境里看 Having put James in context
结果更让人吃惊 It seems even more surprising
他的一个孙女嫁给了一个天主教徒 That one of his granddaughters actually married a Catholic
却没有在家里引发任何轩然大波 And which apparently didn't cause any family problems at all
他们的儿子Barry是个足球运动员 And their son was Barry, he took his football
所以我准备去拜访他 So I'm going to go back to see him
看看在伦敦德里这样一个新教城市 And find out what life was like
天主教教徒的生活是什么样的 Growing up Catholic in Londonderry
James Blair的孙女Maisie 即Nelly的妹妹 James Blair's granddaughter Maisie, Nelly's sister
在1931年嫁给了天主教徒Francis McLaughlin Married Catholic Francis McLaughlin in 1931
他们的儿子Barry挑战了 Their son Barry challenged the discrimination of persisted
James在当地议会坚持了40年的扶持新教的宗派立场 40 years after his great grandfather James sat on the local council
-又见到你啦 -欢迎欢迎 - Hello, good to see you again - You're very welcome
谢啦 Thank you very much
Barry是当地议会中的非宗派工党人士 Barry stood as a local councilor for the non-sectarian labor party
他参加了1968年那场声势浩大的民权运动 By 1968 he was part of a mass civil rights movement
坚决要求消除反天主教歧视 That immobilized to demand the end of anti-Catholic discrimination
受到在美国黑人民权运动的启发 Inspired by the black civil rights movement in America
运动是在温和文明的抗议的基础上进行的 It was based on peaceful protest
所以当时的状况非常乐观积极对吧 So there was a very real optimistic sense
-感觉自己可以改变世界 -没错 - That you could change something - Oh, yeah
而且你知道 这种抗议游行特别振奋人心 And you know the marches was very, very uplifting
人山人海 摩肩接踵 That so many people shoulder to shoulder
你油然而生一种"我也是其中一员"的自豪感 You thought that, well you were making the whole cube do, weren't you
这很有意义 And that helped
我们需要家庭 工作 We are demanding homes and employments
需要言论自由和同等的集会自由 Freedom of speech and equivalent freedom of assembly
我们不希望有杀戮和暴力 We do not wish bloodshed or violence
但是在1968年10月5日 But on October the 5th, 1968
手无寸铁的游行队伍被警方武力镇压 Unarmed marches were baton charged by the police
伦敦德里的声援改革的队伍遭到了同样的待遇 Support for radical change in Londonderry as well
到1968年年底 By the end of the year
Barry和他民权游行队伍的伙伴们 Barry and his fellow civil rights marchers
取得了历史性的改革胜利 Had achieved historic reforms
民权
一人一票
工作无宗教歧视
当地的委员会分会 The unionist local council
即Barry的曾外祖父曾经日夜工作的地方 Once home to Barry's great grandfather James Blaire
被废除了 而选举体系也得到了改革 Was abolished and the voting system reformed
反宗教主义
但是宗派的暴力事件却日渐肆虐 But sectarian violence escalated
双方的民兵开始了 Paramilitaries on both sides began
恶性的进攻和反攻 A vicious campaign of attack and counter attack
英格兰军方力量也牵涉其中 The British armies were sent in
道路封闭
1971年8月 And in August 1971
爱尔兰共和军中一些可疑的领导分子 Internment imprisonment without trial for IRA suspects
未经审判而被拘禁 Was introduced
对许多人来说 这是公民权利的极大不公 For many this was a civil rights injustice
1972年1月13日 星期天 On Sunday the 13th of January, 1972
万名男女老少走上街头 举行游行示威活动 10 thousand men, women, and children
抗议英国政府在北爱尔兰实施的这种拘留政策 Joined the band march against internment
民权联合
这就是广为人知的"血色星期天" The day became known as "bloody Sunday"
-你当时在场吗 -对 在场 - Were you there, were you - I was there, yeah
-你在啊 -游行顺利开始 没什么问题 - You were - Yeah. The march shot off, no problem
队伍里有许多小孩 女人 男人 A lot of children, and women and men and
总之队伍很温和 很文明 A peaceful march
我们有成千上万人 There was thousands of us
在队伍进行到市中心的时候 And the objective was they marched down the city center
有些人站出来发言了 And have a few speakers
但是没有武力上的对抗 There was no intention from the sole raise element
没有任何上升到武力对峙的意思 For any confrontation whatsoever
但是几个民族主义青年开始 But nationalist news started
向英军投掷石块和砖头 Throwing stones and bricks at British soldiers
但是至于英军向民众开火的具体时间和原因 When and why the British army open fire
30多年来一直不得而知 Is still the subject of an inquiry more than 30 years old
你能听到子弹贴着你的头皮呼啸而过 You could hear the bullets buzzing over your head
我们当时躲在花园的围墙后面 心惊肉跳 And we jumped on, behind the wall in the garden wall
尽量把头压低 And kept our heads down
所以我不太清楚 So I don't know
那天有没有人员伤亡 If there are any people who didn't get injured that day
我知道 你一直躲着等到外面没有动静 Yeah, you just waited till it calm down
低着头等 Just stay with you head down and wait
护着头 Cover our heads down
等了好一阵儿 And for quite a while and then
大部分开火集中在离我们几百码外的 Most of the action was about a hundred yards away from us
无可争议的是 What is undisputed
"血色星期天"造成了14个天主教教徒的死亡 Is the bloody Sunday resulted in the death of 14 Catholic civilians
其中6个 只有17岁 Six of them just 17 years old
你后来知道 都有谁受了伤 Did you know people that who were injured
-我知道的 -嗯 - Oh, certainly I did - Fine
我跟那些人很熟 都是一起工作过的人 I knew people very well, people I worked with
就是一些很普通的人啊 You know, just ordinary people, they were
还有年轻一辈的 And young people
老的小的都有受伤的 All ages were shot
其中很多人我都认识 And I knew a lot of them, you know
那个时候 And that was
伦敦德里就是那种经过子弹洗礼之后的样子 The city as you can imagine for days afterwards
它就好像是 Derry just sort of
死了 Died
你知道那种感觉 在举行了葬礼之后 You know until after the funerals
悲悲戚戚的 Very tragic
你能预感到这场运动是民权运动的终结吗 Do you feel that that was the final death of the civil rights movement
这个 对我来说 它改变了很多事情 Well, to me I felt it changed things a lot you know
英军冲了出来 而且开了枪 I mean the British army came out and fired on
他们朝着我们的人 朝着我们的劳工开了枪 My people, my laborers
-我无法接受 -我懂 - You know that didn't make sense to me - Yeah
这毫无意义 我无法理解 It didn't make sense. I couldn't understand that
肯定的 Yeah sure
很多人跟我一样这么觉得 And a lot of people felt the same way
你知道 很多事情永远挽回不了了 You know things were never could never be the same again
特别是从公民权利的角度看 Especially so from a civil rights point of view
和平游行的时代终结了 Peaceful march was over
是 Right
也有不可能出现了 There was no more of that
是 Yeah
你后来有为什么再游行过吗 Did you ever march again after that for anything
没有 再也没有了 No I don't think we never march after that, no
-就那样了 -完结了 你知道 - It was all over - That was the end of it you know
唉 Yeah
北爱尔兰街头三十年的喋血 Three decades of blood shed on the streets of Northern Ireland
史称"北爱尔兰问题" Became known as The Troubles
它影响了社会的方方面面 They affected every part of society
伦敦德里变成战争区之后 平民百姓惨遭屠戮 Normal life was ripped apart as Londonderry became a war zone
甚至德利城足球队 Even Derry City football team
也就是David的外祖父Archie McLeod Where David's grandfather Archie McLeod
曾被新教徒和天主教徒一致推选为主席的球队 Used to be chaired by Protestant and Catholic fans alike
也因此而禁球15年 Were forced to stop play for 15 years because of the violence
David和Barry前往拜访一个朋友 Jim Roddy David and Barry have come to meet a friend Jim Roddy
在足球场边上长大的德利城球队的首席执行官 Chief executive of Derry City who grew up near the stadium
当时在伦敦德里乱成一团 There was chaos in Derry at that time
学校里也不成体统 You know, you would go to school there was still
虽然没有什么出格的乱子 Nothing was gone bad was happening
但对于当时的青少年来说 他们吃了大亏 And obviously it was a massive loss to the teenagers of that day
他们没有高级足球俱乐部可去 That they had no senior soccer club to go
他们本来用来给球队加油的力气 And unusual their energy by supporting them
都用在其他乱七八糟的事上了 And obviously energies were then put in other ways
比如街头冲突之类 And there major street violence
在那样的日子里他们很难健康成长 And it was a desperately difficult time to grow up
那个时候的年轻人敏感脆弱 The young people would have been
想到他们的同伴 Very vulnerable in the sense that their pals were sort of
-在这种事里越陷越深 -对 - Getting them more involved and more involved - Right
同时又担心他们自己的孩子 And they worry about their own kids
今天 德利城球队为新教和天主教的孩子们 Today Derry City runs a cross community football initiative
跨社区举办足球赛 For Protestant and Catholic children
也是1998年的北爱尔兰和平协议日常化的生动体现 Living embodiments of 1998's Good Friday Agreement
人们带着希望 Signed in the hope of
签署了这条结束30年宗派流血冲突的协议 Bringing 30 years of sectarian bloodshed to a close
你们一定也希望这条协议最终能使城市回到正轨吧 And you think that can help to heal the city eventually as well
这是毫无疑问的 你知道吗 我小时候那会儿 Without a doubt you know when I was growing up
如果家长宗派不同 孩子根本玩不到一块儿 You never mixed parent-afraid too much and if you were there
但是今天来到这儿的孩子们 But these kids are coming here today
无论背景如何 And it doesn't matter what their background is
无论出处何地 Where they come from
他们组合在一起 因为他们都热爱足球 They're mixing because they are all playing football
-现在的孩子真好啊 -对啊 - Good on them - Right
有意思的是 这一趟走下来 It's funny when I sort of came on this journey
我很吃惊我找到了一些迷人的 I was amazed that I found out some fascinating but
一些迷人而古老的历史事件 Fascinating but ancient facts
有关我们家族从何处来 About where we all come from
但是有趣的是 你一旦来到北爱尔兰这样的地方 But of course as soon as you come to somewhere like Northern Ireland
就会发现历史仍在被不断书写着 The history is still being written really
你得费点劲儿才能将行程坚持下去 It makes it a more difficult journey to go on
因为你要时不时地调整 Because your having to deal with
调整你看到各种历史事件的时候的心态 Your reactions to issues that are still very much alive
这些事件依旧鲜活 You know dealing with
因为你看到的听到的 是先辈们用生命做出的决定 People who have made choices and decisions with their lives
虽说先辈们早已故去 And died a long time ago
但他们还是把他们的一部分DNA传给了你 But they still pass a bit of their DNA on to you
所以你觉得你可以借此追溯过去 So you now feel like that you could kind of go back
身临其境 想他们所想 And figure out why they did what they did
你希望你的家人能受人敬仰 激人奋进 You want your family to be people that you'd admire and be inspired by
回过头来看James Blair的生平 And then looking at some of the James Blair
事实却往往如此不尽人意 The whole kind of culture was there
一方面他的所作所为是那样的激励人心 Because some so many of the things he did are so inspiring
而另一方面 And yet at the same time
宗派的污点又如影随形 He was entrenched in sectarianism
这两面我都难以忘怀 And I find that difficult to forget
关于Barry 我愿意相信他所相信的 With Barry, it's...I want to believe in what he believed in
和他谈到他的观点和原则的时候 I was very proud to hear him talk about his ideas and principles
听到他是怎样在暴力冲突中坚定立场不动摇 And to hear him how he stood firm against
我为他感到非常自豪 Becoming involved in any violent activity
欢迎进入自由的德里
现在我开在回家的路上 And as I head home
想到我正要离开的这个城市 It's good to feel that I'm leaving a city
饱经历史风霜 而终究希望不止 Despite everything
就让人觉得 实在是太好了 Finally feels for the hope
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