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我的名字是David Vance my name is David Vance
我今天出现在new school and I am present here at the new school
我会极简略的 I gone to be extremely brief
我们的访谈者今晚只能待很短时间 Our speakers can only be with a short time tonight
我希望你们有尽可能多的机会听他们说 I want to be sure you have maximum opportunity to hear from them
我只是想说 I just want to say him have to The New School
欢迎他和纽约时报来到我们The New School how proud we are to host this with the New York Times
这发生的真快 This came together very quickly
在一周之内 In about a week and...
这是我们最好的机会和惊喜 It's a great in most welcome surprise opportunity for us
The New School很乐意作为这种活动的场地 The New School delighted to be a destination for this kind of activity
事实上现在 In fact right now
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？带点惶恐的参加我们的活动 piped in speak to our conference on the fear a fear of are...
如果有人需要同时去两边 So someone who has to go to both those things
有人说 孩子你肯定在开善意的玩笑 somebody said boy you must be joking around a lot nicer
这真是太棒了 now this is wonderful couldn't be any any better
学校做了真多 It's very much new school
再次感谢大家今天的到来 So again thank you everybody for being here today
有点问题...好的 something wrong okay alright
很高兴和荣幸今晚来到这里 []is delighted and honored to be here tonight
请到奥斯卡提名[第四公民]的导演 to present the Oscar-Nominated Director of CitizenFour
重大而吸引人的电影 the compelling and important film
今年被学院奖最佳纪录片单元提名 nominated for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature this year
欢迎她和电影里她的合作者 joining her is her collaborator in the film
普利策奖获奖者 the Pulitzer prize-winning journalist
首个揭发电影中政府监控问题 who was the first to write about the film's revelations about government surveillance
和公民隐私问题的记者 of private citizen
我们同时欢迎现场视频 we are also very pleased to present the live video
一个有勇气揭露他的发现的人 the person who had the courage to reveal his findings and started it all
待会 你将会听到关于我们的特邀嘉宾 电影问题 you'll hear much more about our guest, the film
来自所有问题的发起者 and all the issues it raises
我们今晚的主持人 in just a moment from tonight's moderator
每周一他的纽约时报媒体要素专栏 Every Monday his New York Times Media Equation Column
是每个人必读的媒体如何横跨 is must reading for everyone concerned with how media intersects
经济 政治 社会和生活 with business and politics and Society and culture
他同时也是坦率而迷人的自传-- he's also the author the frank and fascinating memoir
《THE NIGHT OF THE GUN》一书作者 THE NIGHT OF THE GUN
波士顿大学传媒学院Andrew R. Lack教授 and the Andrew R. Lack Professor of Media Studies at Boston University
在我们见到他和特邀嘉宾之前 But before we meet him and our guest
让我们快速浏览《第四公民》 let's take a quick look at CitizenFour
此片将于2月23日空降HBO电视台 which will air on HBO on February 23rd
颁奖礼的第二天 the day after the Academy Awards
国安局是否收集了成百上千万美国人的数据 Does the NSA collect data on hundreds of millions of Americans
并非蓄意 Not wittingly
我的名字是Edward Snowden My name is Edward Snowden
全名是Edward Joseph Snowden Edward Joseph Snowden the full name
我不想藏起来 I don't want to hide
如果我被捕了 就被捕了 I get arrested I get arrested
将信息发出 无论我发生什么事 get the information out regardless what happens to me
《第四公民》正在播出 CitizenFour VTR now playing
现在和我一起 and now please join me
欢迎纽约时报媒体专栏作家David Carr in welcoming New York Times media columnist David Carr
和特邀嘉宾 and are very special guest
Laura Poitras和Glenn Greenwald和-- Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald and...
现场视频--Edward Snowden the live video Edward Snowed
Laura我想我们应该先祝贺你 Laura guess we should start by congratulating you on your
导演的指责世界的罪恶 很新奇 director's guilt the world that's kind a fresh
祝贺你 congratulations
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