在上一集中，我探索了出现在美国的重型音乐。 In the previous episode I explored the emergence of heavy music in America.
我由此了解到，美国的乐队 And what I've learned is that the American bands
在金属历史中扮演的角色 have a much big part in history of metal
要远比我预想的大。 than I initially realized.
不过说到真正赋予 But when I think of the great bands
重金属生命的那些伟大乐队， that truly gave birth of heavy metal,
我会想到英国的乐队，诸如黑色安息日乐队， I think of the British bands like Black Sabbath,
深紫乐队，还有齐柏林飞船。 and Deep Purple, and Led Zeppelin.
于是我来到英国，希望能找到 And so I've come to England, because I wanna find out
这种音乐出现在英国的原因， why does this music come out of England,
以及它对上世纪60、70年代产生的影响。 and what was its impact back in the 1960s and 70s.
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在60年代间， During the 60s,
英国崛起了众多的乐队， England gave rise to a number of bands
这些乐队比以往任何时期都更加重型。 that were heavier than anything that'd come before.
但在重金属出现之前， But before the emergence of heavy metal,
这个国家曾产生过另一种改造了 this country was the home for another musical style
摇滚乐的音乐形式： that transformed rock music:
英国布鲁斯热潮。 the British Bluse Boom.
于是我与布鲁斯传奇人物 John Mayall 见面， So I'm meeting with blues legend, John Mayall,
谈谈这场热潮是如何 to find out how this movement
为重金属铺平了道路。 paved the way for heavy metal.
我希望能与你花点时间讨论一下 I wanna spend some time talking with you about
英国布鲁斯热潮为何闻名于世？ what's famous you know with the British Blues Boom.
应该说，它在最初几年并不是以这个名字风靡开来的， Well fairly enough, it wasn't known as that when it happened for the first few years.
它那时就叫 R&B, it was just called R&B,
在美国，那是一种完全不同的音乐。 which in the America is totally different kind of music.
但当时一些演出场地支持这种音乐， But there were just these venues that surported the music,
这对我们来说是个机会，我们可以走出去 and there was just an opportunity for us to get out there
玩我们想玩音乐。 and played what we wanted to play.
我们当时很惊讶，他们居然喜欢它。我们已经有了自己的受众。 and we were kind of surprised that they liked it. There was an audience for it.
你为什么觉得在当时英国，年轻的音乐家们 Why do you think young musicians in England at that time
会被这种音乐吸引进去？ were attracted into this music?
我认为在一代又一代人中， I think in generation to generation
我们总是要创作出与同时代听众息息相关的音乐。 we get something that connects with the audience.
在布鲁斯热潮之前，是长达10年的爵士热。 Prior to the blues boom was 10 years of jazz bands.
人们总是会涌向新的音乐，我想。 So people flood to those I think.
布鲁斯音乐是一种致力于 The blues is something that addresses itself to
展现人们生活处境的音乐， situations in people's lives
人们只要在听的时候就能感同身受。 that they can right identify with.
那些家伙中很多人都听着 Lots of these guys would listen to records
从美国飘洋过海而来的唱片：John Lee Hooker, Buddy Waters， that were coming over from the states: John Lee Hooker, Buddy Waters，
Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton……他们都对那些很熟悉。 Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton... They all picked up on those.
所以那些音乐的影响是巨大的，你知道。我想，他们就是从此 So there was a massive influence, you know. I think that is where they began to
想要像那些美国人一样弹吉他。 wanna play like those guys.
当英国R&B乐团例如the Yardbirds When the British R&B bands first appeared
第一次出现在排行榜时，他们中间已经风行着 like the Yardbirds straight on the borad, already they all played
某种非常躁动不安的R&B演奏形式。 on the kind of really nervous form of playing R&B.
他们弹得非常快，几乎歇斯底里，而且极度兴奋，可是缺乏力量和深度。 And it was very fast, almost hysterical, and was very excitable, and kind of lacked power and depth.
于是那些乐队逐渐慢了下来， So gradually, it is when bands learned to slow down a bit,
而且加入了更多贝司声。 and to use more bass.
所有这些微小的演奏方式的改变 All these little ways of playing the music
改变了整个时代的声音。 changed the whole sound of it.
所以当他们真的学会放松演奏的时候， So it is when they learned to relax really,
也就是他们变得更重型的时候。 I think that's when bands began to become heavier.
对你来说，那些吉他手如 Clapton 和 Page， If you think of guitarists like Clapton and Page，
以及 Jeff Beck， and a guy like Jeff Beck
你认为他们都有什么共通之处？ What was unified do you think all of these players?
他们都根源于布鲁斯， It was all based on blues initially,
之后逐渐在演奏中打上了个人的印记。 and it kind of got individualized by different people.
Eric 曾总是沉迷于布鲁斯， Eric was always into the blues,
Beck 和 Page 也一样。 as well as Beck and Page.
尽管他们都是从布鲁斯迈开了第一步， although they started on foot of blues
但他们很快就迅速形成了各自的独特风格。 they very quickly mashroomed into their own individual styles.
除了奶油乐队，The Jeff Beck Group乐队，和 Yardbirds乐队， Besides The Cream, and The Jeff Beck Group and the Yardbirds,
还有一个乐队无可置疑地将布鲁斯改造成了 the one band that unquestionably transformed the Blues
某种更重的音乐， into something much heavier,
它就是齐柏林飞船, was Led Zeppelin,
一个在摇滚史上声名显赫的乐队。 the one of the most celebrated bands in the history of rock.
滚石杂志曾将他们描述为史上 Rolling Stone magzine described them as the heaviest band
最重型的乐队。 of all time.
那么齐柏林飞船与英国布鲁斯热潮 What is exactly Led Zeppelin's connection
到底有什么联系？ to the British Blues Boom,
他们的声音中有什么与众不同之处？ and what was unique about their sound?
齐柏林飞船出现在英国布鲁斯热潮时期， Well, Led Zeppelin occured at the time of the British Blues Boom,
他们很快就上升到了这个运动的中心地位。 and they came rise back in the middle of it.
如果听听他们第一张专辑里的 I Can't Quit You Baby, If any goes look at their first album, I Can't Quit You Baby,
You Shook Me，在接下来的两三年里他们一直受着Willie Dixon的影响， You Shook Me，within two or three years they were taking the influence of Willie Dixon，
而且将它更进一步地发展。 and taking it much further.
齐柏林飞船，我认为， Led Zeppelin, I think,
公平地讲，人们也许希望能将他们树立成一个典范， it is fair to say that people would like to place them as
一个能诠释“早期重型音乐”这个词的例证。 probably the large pad of what exemplifies "early days of heavy".
而这一点儿也没错。 and it is.
齐柏林飞船是如何让他们的音乐如此重的？ How did Zeppelin achieve their heaviness?
Jimy的吉他声又做出了什么贡献? What did Jimy's guitar tone contribute?
如果你渴望听到那种真正泛滥的失真吉他声，你就立即会想到他。 He was the guy you would call if you wanted that really greedy distorted guitar tone,
这方面他是个大师。 And he was a master of that.
我的意思是，只要他的独奏声一进入你的耳朵， I mean, when you hear the tone of his solo coming in,
就即时可辨。 it's instantaneously identifiable.
谈谈这个乐队的标志人物 Robert Plant, Talk about Robert Plant as a frontman,
你为什么觉得他 why do you think he was important
在表演中的创新方面 in terms of his presentation
如此重要？ that was doing something new?
Robert Plant 是主唱之神。 Robert Plant was that golden-god lead singer.
他有态度，有卖相，有腔调。 He had the attitude, he had the look, he had the mannerisms.
相比其他任何一个主唱，Robert Plant或许是 Robert Plant was probably more than any other singers
歌手中最为原始质朴的标志性典范。 that iconic raw model for singers.
我们在 Trinifold Management经纪公司。Judas Priest的经纪人 we are in Trinifold Managemnet who manages Judas Priest,
让我们进入这个房间， let us use this room,
这里是Bill Curbishley的办公室，他是Robert Plant的经纪人。 which is the office of Bill Curbishley, who manages Robert Plant。
我与他（Robert Plant）这么近，却咫尺天涯， To be so close but so far,
因为我们一直那么努力地想将 Robert Plant 和 Jimmy Page Because we've been really trying to get Robert Plant and Jimmy Page
带入到我们的系列影片中， to be part of the series，
但被他们拒绝了。 but they've declined.
我猜测问题在于Plant 和 Page The problem I guess for Plant and Page
不喜欢和“重金属”这个词联系起来， is that they don't like to be associated with the term "Heavy Metal".
即便他们对重金属产生过巨大影响。 even though they were hugely influential.
我倒从没想过他们是个重“金属”乐队。 I've never really thought of them as heavy "metal" band.
大体上是因为音乐素材的巨大差异。 Basically because of the complete diversity of material.
（他们）以沉重的原声吉他声为导向，再配以重鼓点。 Heavily acoustically oriented, with a strong bit.
我觉得你可以说没有Led Zeppelin， and I guess you could say that without Led Zeppelin
就不会有“重金属”。 there wouldn't be "Heavy Metal".
不过我确实从没把他们看做重金属乐队。 But I don't think that I've ever considered them as heavy metal band.
我想安息日 I think Sabbath
或许相比其他的乐队， probably more than any band
更符合重金属的定义， would be the definition of a heavy metal band,
从本质来说。 you know the essense of one.
虽然齐柏林飞船并不自我定位为重金属乐队， Although Led Zeppelin didn't self-identified as a heavy metal band,
不过黑色安息日乐队却被很多人标记为 Black Sabbath is the one band that many argue to
重金属之声的开启者。 mark the beginning of heavy metal sound.
因此我要找到安息日乐队被 So I need to find out why Sabbath
看作重金属流派先驱者的原因。 is considered the pioneer of heavy metal genre.
在七十年代早期， In the early 70s,
黑色安息日乐队创造出了 Black Sabbath created a sound
一种比以往更加黑暗、不详的声音。 that was darker, and more sinister than ever before.
于是我来到安息日乐队的故乡，伯明翰城， So I've come to Birmingham, Sabbath's hometown
这里是英国工业的心脏地带。 in England's industrial heartland.
我想知道他们创造这种声音的灵感 to find out where they got the inspiration
来自何方。 to create this sound.
当你开始安息日乐队的生涯时， When you started out with Sabbath,
请描绘一下那时伯明翰城的样子。 describe for me what Birmingham was like.
伯明翰城的形象很凄惨。 Birmingham's profile was dismal, you know.
哭泣的雨滴，还有工厂，还有比利时香烟。 Rains wept and factories and Belgium smoke and
那是个非常工业化的地方。 it is very industrial place.
你可以去工厂做工，也可以进监狱， you can go into the factories, or you can go to prisons,
或者变成个流氓。 or you can be a gangster.
伯明翰城在二战期间， Birmingham had a massvie hammering
受到过非常猛烈的轰击。 During the World War II.
现在房屋周围还有很多炸弹。 there still a lot of bombs at buildings around.
战争期间，一个女孩在某个拐角处 a place on the corner where a girl
被炸弹炸得粉身碎骨。 was completely dimolished by bombs in the war.
我们住的地方全都是工人阶级。 where we lived was very very working-class,
所以有很多移民，还有种族和文化的融合。 so a lot of immagration there, very mixed racially and culturally,
还有很多街斗。呵呵…… and a lot of street fighting. Hoho...
那么这种可怕的现实 So how did this sort of horrible reality
如何影响了黑色安息日的音乐？ influence what Black Sabbath sounded like?
我们都喜欢反主流文化的感觉， We all liked some feelings about the conterculture，
还有各种和平运动。 or a lot of peace movements.
我觉得我们那时都抱有好的态度，这倒不错， And I think all of us had an attitude to well, that's all well and good,
不过事情的发展超出了我们的想象， but that's not what was going on right now,
我坐在那儿，看着一个人被打得屁滚尿流。 I was sitting there, looking at a guy getting his guts beaten up.
我沉默了，开始真正观察 I muted, began to take a really good look at
我们周围到底发生了什么，我们到底看到了什么。 what was really on the ground or really what was seen.
我想那个人对黑色安息日有着巨大的影响。 I think he had a huge impact on Sabbath.
请给我描述一下黑色安息日音乐中的声音。 Describe for me the sound of the Black Sabbath's music.
它怎样与众不同？ 围绕着它还有什么故事？ How was it different, then what else was going on?
当时整个国家的布鲁斯乐队泛滥成灾， The country was inundated with blues bands,
他们说着一样的话，有着一样的装扮，抽着一样的烟， and all said the same, or looked the same, or smoked the same, and
穿着一样的夹克，配备着一样的吉他手 with the same jackets or the guitar players,
还有长的没完没了的独奏。 and sixty-mile long solos.
我们都急切地想脱离这种环境， and we were all anxious to get out of there
因为我们五个人都相信这样没有前途，我们必须做出改变。 because all five of us believed that was going somewhere so we have to do something different.
我们在一起不停地排练，直到我们想出"Wicked World"这首歌。 We jammed around until we came over with this song "Wicked World".
那个前奏， 你知道，我们想：“这个不错，我们可以用它。” That pro song, you know, we thought on it:"this is good , you know, we can do it."
然后我们又想出另一首，这第二首就是“黑色安息日”。 Then we got another one, and the second song was "Black Sabbath".
我们就想：“上帝，这曲子真是古怪得很！” And we just thought:"God, this is really weird and different!"
于是决定让它试着登台亮相。轮到下一次演出时，我们上台表演， and just gave it a try. when on the next gig, we did the gig，
最后唱了这首“黑色安息日”。观众们简直发了疯， and we played at the end "Black Sabath". And crowds just went absolutely mental.
他们喊：“再来一次！再来一次！”我们就再来了一次，最后这首歌反复唱了3次。 Those said:"Play that again! Play that again!" So we played it again, played it three times.
我们终于认识到，我们有着其他乐队没有的东西。 And we just realized you know that we had something that nobody else had.
当我们一起坐下来创作音乐时， When we would sit down and make a piece of music together,
我总会试着用鼓创造出 one of the things I would try to create with drums,
浓郁的氛围， 当然还用了很多音符， a lot of atmosphere; definitely used a lot of tones,
用以做特定的歌词做铺垫。当Ozzy唱出： to bring about certain words when Ozzy was singing:
“是何物站在我的面前？” "What is this that stands before me？"
我知道我们该怎么处理这些音符。 I knew where we have to go with the tones.
我当然本来也可以…… I could've gone...
不过这行不通。 It would never worked.
就某些方面说，他们一直是一个爵士乐队。 In some way, they were always a jazz band,
如果你听听 Bill 和 Geezer 弹奏的东西， If you listen to what Bill and Geezer are playing.
Geezer其实完全和摇滚不沾边， Geezer is not playing rock really,
他弹的一直是某种现代爵士乐。 He is playing a sort of always modern jazz.
非常难懂， Very intricate stuff,
不过伴随着 but with it...
伴随着这种惊世骇俗的阴沉的歌词， with this absolutely staggering heavy lyrics
和沉重的歌唱旋律， and heavy vocal melodies
还有天马行空般的吉他乐句。 and totally fantastic guitar riffs.
结合了Tony Iommi的重型吉他声， By combining the heaviness of Tony Iommi's guitar,
和Ozzy的怪诞唱腔， with the eerie sound of Ozzy's vocals,
以及Billy Geezer的爵士风节奏， and Billy Geezer's jazz-influence rhythms,
黑色安息日创造了一种闻所未闻的音响效果。 Black Sabbath was creating a sound that'd never been heard before.
考虑到这声音在当时实在太过不寻常， So given that the sound was so unusal for its time,
唱片界又对黑色安息日的音乐作何反应呢？ how was the record industry reacting to Black Sabbath's music?
它是个致命的反叛， Which is a deadly rebellion,
作为首张专辑，它并没那么不同。 which is not very different the first album.
我带着录音走遍了十四所街道唱片公司， I took this recording to fourteen street record companies,
而他们全都拒绝了我。 and they all turned me down.
为什么他们不想接纳这张专辑。 Why didn't they want to take this record on?
因为那不是当时流行的敲击罐子的声音。 Because that wasn't the currently hit-on-the-jar's sounding like that
如果你坐在自己时髦漂亮的办公室里， If you sit there in your posh purfle office with your
穿着你的白西装，你会去听些轻柔的音乐， your white suit on, you'll hear something safe,
你会让你的老板在那儿听听那些滚动的瓶子的回音，还有一些石子在里面，对， 就类似于那种东西。 you'll get the boss there listening up those sounds just like the rolling bottle echos, stones with it, yes, something like that.
但尝试新鲜事物？ 他们会吓死的。 But something new? They're scared of it.
我不会忘记这个唱片公司。 I always remember this one record company.
我们在英格兰最北部， we were in the northern most part of England,
可能是为了一场演出，然后开了*和谐*一晚上的车， may have to do a gig, and drive all the balls through night
去参加上午11点在伦敦一个酒吧里的试音。 to play this audition at this pub early eleven o'clock in the morning in London.
所以我们没有人睡过觉，全都精疲力尽。 so none of us slept, we were all absolutely exhausted,
有一个唱片公司来的家伙， the guy came from the record company...
我们的演出刚开始，他就径直走出去了。 We started playing, and he just literally walked out.
第二首歌刚唱完一半，他就说：“这是什么狗屎？”然后就走出去了。 After halfway to the second song, he just:"What is the crap?" and just walked out.
他们就是这么对待我们的。你知道， that is way they treated us. You know,
他们并不在乎。 they really didn't care it.
这时候有一个来自I&R公司的人，他挺喜欢我们。 And then we got this I&R guy and he really liked us.
他最终让Vertigo公司签下我们。 and he finally got Vertigo to sign us.
当你第一次看到黑色安息日的表演， When you first saw Black Sabbath play,
你对他们的音乐有什么印象？ what was your impression of their music?
我首先想：“这是个重金属乐队。” My first thought was "it is a heavy metal band."
当演出进行下去后，我意识到他们不仅仅是个普通的乐队。 as they went on, I realized that there were much more than that.
因为他们的很多歌词不但很有才智， Because a lot of the lyrics were not only intelligent,
而且涉及到了一些复杂的题材。 but they delt with some difficult subjects.
而且从音乐角度看，他们很棒。 and musically, they were terrific.
于是演出结束后，我邀请他们加入我们Vertigo公司。 So After the gig, I took them in to come in with us on Vertigo.
一切都发生得难以想象的快。 It happened so incredibly fast.
第一张专辑上榜了， The first album charted,
你知道，我记得它排在第13名， you know, I think it came in number thirteen,
我们之前毫不知情，我们正在货车里等待演出开始， We didn't know anything about it, we were in a cargo into a gig,
听着专辑排行榜，这时 and we listened to the album chart and then
收音机里提到：“新年的第十三名是黑色安息日。” it brought:"And an new-year thirteenth we got Black Sabbath"
然后我们说：“啥？” and then:"What?"
“来自于一支名为黑色安息日的乐队。” "Through a band called Black Sabbath."
然后就播放了专辑里的歌曲，“这是我们的歌。” And it played the track of it, and "It's us."
它上榜的那一周， the week it went on the charts,
我们一共卖了5200份唱片。 it is sold with five thousand and two hundred records first week.
自那时起，我们踏上了改革之路。 From that moment on, we were put on the Crusade
我们知道我们是一支很特别的乐队， We knew that we got something very very special,
而且自那时起，我们的事业开始真正严肃起来。 and from that moment it became really serious.
他们是否就是燃起了“重金属”音乐激情的乐队？ Are they that band that set emotion in this music that came to be called "heavy metal"?
如果真有某个乐队或专辑配得上这个称呼的话， If there is one band that it is and there is one album that it is,
那就是黑色安息日的第一张专辑。 it is the first Black Sabbath album.
因为那张专辑影响了整整一代人的童年。 Coz that influenced a whole generation of the kids.
五、六年后， they five years, six years later,
很多重金属乐队就从那一代人中冒了出来。 appeared as heavy metal bands.
对我来说，黑色安息日是第一支定义了 Black Sabbath was the band that first defined
“重金属”的乐队。 "heavy metal" for me.
而且他们确实有某种途径， and seriously had that sort of heavy approachs
能让重型的音乐仿佛变成了真实的伪装。 that really seem like disguise for real.
你认为你们有多少程度上是个重金属乐队？ To what extend do you consider youself as a heavy metal band?
我们那时认为自己是个硬摇滚乐队， We just thought we were hard rock band at the time,
我们喜欢这样的称呼。 that is what we liked.
我第一次听到“重金属”这个称呼， And the first I heard of being called "heavy metal"
是某个人在贬损我们。 was somebody being derogatory about us.
我我像往常一样在杂志里找批评我们的段落， I read this review moving onto criticizing as usual，
它说我们的音乐就像一大坨重金属从天而降， and it said that it sounded like a load of heavy metal been droped,
反正和音乐没啥关系。 not musically whatsoever.
不管那些日子里我们被称作重金属乐队，或别的什么， what's heavy metal or another band into those days,
我们就是一支硬摇滚乐队。 we are just a heavy rock band.
这就是黑色安息日乐队需要澄清的一点。 That's how Sabbath sorted this out.
同时我们也意识到，我们以我们名义创造了 and we had realized that we had invented
一个全新的流派。 a whole genre, under the name.
黑色安息日乐队显然没有将自己定义为 Black Sabbath clearly didn't self-identify
一个重金属乐队， as a heavy metal band,
可是后辈的音乐人和粉丝 but future generations of musicians and fans
依旧将重金属的产生归功于黑色安息日创造的 would credit Sabbath for creating
那种不同寻常的黑暗音响和美学。 a distinctly darker sound,and aesthetic.
那么，既然伯明翰的黑色安息日乐队已经打下了这个基础， So now the birmingham's Black Sabbath had laid this fundation
这个流派又是如何发展进化的？让我们把视线转向伦敦， How would this genre evolve as the focus shifted to London,
这个七十年代英国硬摇滚大舞台的首府。 the capital of the 70s' English hard rock scene?
黑色安息日和齐柏林飞船，这唯一的两支英国乐队 Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were the only English bands
开创了七十年代早期重型音乐的新方向。 carving new directions in heavy music in the early 70s.
随后另一支乐队，将硬摇滚音乐推向了更复杂精巧境界， The one band that pushed the sound of hard rock into something more complex and sophisticated
它就是伦敦的深紫乐队。 was London's Deep Purple.
不过这支乐队的最初的绰号为Mark I， However the band's original lineup, nicknamed Mark I,
它和今日我们所熟知的深紫的重型音乐简直风马牛不相及。 was a far cry from the heavy sound that purple is known for today.
于是我一路舟车，来到了鼓手 Ian Paice 的故乡， So I've traveled to the country home of the drummer Ian Paice
问问他当这个乐队还叫Mark I时的起源, to ask him about the band's Mark I origins,
以及它如何变成了深紫 and how it became the Deep Purple
这支影响了整个庞大的重金属军团的乐队。 that influenced legions of heavy metal bands.
Mark II 时期和 Mark I 时期有何不同？ How was Mark II different than Mark I?
在 Mark I 时， 我们试图变成别的乐队， In Mark I, we tried to be like somebody else,
试图变成英国版本的香草软糖乐队。 where she tried to be like a British version of Vanilla Fudge
我们把别人的歌拿过来，然后重新配以宏大的编曲。 by taking other people's songs and putting big arrangements around them.
Mark II 发展到后来， what Mark II progressed to,
我们意识到我们没有理由当第二个香草软糖乐队。 was realizing there was no point being number two Vanilla Fudge.
重要的是，要当第一个自己。 it is very important to actually become number one yourselves.
我们拥有某种相当棒的、有意思的东西。 we had something really rather good and quite interesting.
不过它当时没有很好地凝合在一起。 But it wasn't jelling quite right.
由于某些原因，我们没有正确地噪起来。 It wasn't making the right noise somehow.
很不幸，对于Nick Simper 和 Rod Evans来说 And unfortunately for Nick Simper and Rod Evans
我们得出结论：这一切都是他们的错。 We came up with the conclusion that it was their fault.
他们两个并不是帮助 Paice, Blackmore 和我自己的正确人选。 They were not the two right guys to help Paice, Blackmore and myself.
我们很清楚地认识到我们该何去何从。 Quite realized where we want to do, to go.
当你和 Ian加入这个乐队， when you and Ian came in the band,
你认为在乐队的音乐方面发生了什么改变？ what do you think changed in terms of the sound of the band?
我和 Ian 过去是作曲者，我们是合作关系。 me and Ian were, we were song writers, and we were partnership.
我认为， Paice 和 Ritchie 和 Jon 的音乐才华令人难以置信。 And I think, the musicianship of Paice and Ritchie and Jon was just unbelievable.
我之前合作过的乐手中，没有和他们相提并论的。 I don't think I ever played with people that good before.
于是这就像一场婚姻，一方是他们三个的高雅成熟； And it was kind of a marriage between the sophistication of the other three
另一方是我们两个的天真质朴。 and the naiive, simplistic song writing of us two.
我以为这是关键。 and I think that was the key.
我早期写过不少的重复乐段, 不过 Ritchie 才是真正的重复乐段大师。 I wrote quite a few of the riffs in the early days， but Ritchie is really the riff master.
他是个复杂的乐手，却真正懂得怎样变得简单。 He is a complex player. He really learnt how to be simple.
然而创作简单的东西可和其他事情不一样—— But writing something simple that is not like anything else——
那可是非常困难的。 THAT is really defficult.
你从小到大都是深紫乐队的超级粉丝。为什么他们那么重要？ You grow up as a big fan of Purple. Why were they so important?
我是因为 Ritchie Blackmore 才开始弹吉他。 Ritchie Blackmore was the reason I play guitar.
我表弟带我去看深紫的演出， My cousin took me to see Deep Purple.
第一排，正对着 Ritchie Blackmore的左边， Front row, in front of Ritchie Blackmore left,
我的老天他就像在……狠砸他的吉他。然后又若无其事地用这把吉他重新演奏起来。 Oh my god he was like ... smashing his guitar. And playing again you know he was playing with.
总之帅呆了！ Just off the charts！
我从没听过任何人演奏……你知道，在吉他上弹出那种声音。 非常的酷。 I've never heard anybody play...you know, make sounds like that on guitar. It is just so cool.
因为直到那个时候，你知道，大家都还说 Clapton 是神之类的话。 Coz up to then it was all like, you know, Clapton is god or all that kind of stuff.
但是，我的意思是，相比 Ritchie 所做的一切, Clapton太温顺了。 You know, but, I mean, you know Clapton was tame, comparing with what Ritchie was doing.
它是潘神的音乐，仿佛能激发你大脑所有的部分。 It was the sound of the Pan, like prompting all level of your brain.
待到由 Gillan, Glover, Paice, Blackmore 和 Lord 所组成的 Mark II With the Mark II lineup of Gillan, Glover, Paice, Blackmore and Lord
阵容齐整后，1970年， firmly in place in 1970,
深紫乐队发行了重金属史上的经典之作： Deep Purple released one of the heavy metal all-time classical records:
"In Rock".
而其中一个令“In Rock”如此独特的因素， And one of the elements that made "In Rock" unique,
就是 Jon Lord 雷鸣般的哈蒙德风琴声。 was the thunderous sound of Jon Lord's Hammond Organ.
我第一次真正意识到我能 The first time I really became aware what I could do
用哈蒙德在专辑中有所作为， with Hammond on record
是在 “Hard Lovin' man”的管风琴独奏中， was on the organ solo in the "Hard Lovin' man"
那是我第一次在录音室里释放了自己， which is the first time I just let myself loose in the studio
我要看看我到底能让这头野兽发挥到什么程度。 to see exactly what I could make that beasts do.
我认为，我非常喜欢哈蒙德风琴的一点， I think one of the things I really like about the Hammond organ is
是它的多样性。我的意思是，我设法去适应了管风琴这个起源于教堂， the adaptibility. I mean, I manage to adapt what was initially a church instrument,
后来又被爵士乐手和布鲁斯乐手采用的乐器。 which is then adapted by jazz musicians and blues musicians.
而我设法将它仿佛硬塞进了一个硬摇滚乐队里。 and I manage to kind of shoehorn it into a hard rock band.
我要解放管风琴，让它不再仅仅藏在音乐的背景里， I wanted to emancipate the organ from being something just set in the background,
妆点音符。 and coloured the sound.
我要创造出那种强硬的声音。 I wanted to create that hard sound.
你看，我现在终于拥有了能和 Ritchie同台飙琴的东西。 and here now finally I had something that could compete with Ritchie,you see.
你们那个时代的音乐经历过相当重的时期， You had some pretty heavy periods at that time,
说到安息日和齐柏林飞船，但是 speaking of Sabbath and Zeppelin, but
我认为有一种东西让你们独树一帜，那就是 I think one thing that set you guys apart was that
你们那包罗万象的音乐中真正的复杂性。 real complexity in that expansiveness of the music.
我们有种真诚的信念，即兴创作是音乐的一部分。 We have the geniune belief that improvisation was part of the music.
而且确实，我们经常是这样想出音乐的。 and indeed, it was very often was how we came up with the music.
当你去看深紫的演出，你会有种很特别的感觉。 When you went to a Purple's show，you were getting something very special.
因为他们的演出永远不会重复。 Because it was never gonna sound the same.
我认为即兴演出绝对是它不同于其他乐队的关键所在。 I think improvisation was definitely a key thing to put in it apart from the other bands.
我不认为安息日会这样做，其他乐队也很少这样做， I don't think Sabbath sounds that, and there wasn't many bands carrying that,
唯有深紫是这样。 and Purples only did.
我们有着很棒的自由度， We had that wonderful freedom，
能让我们专注于舞台上，而不是付钱看演出的顾客。 which is to go out on stage from the paying customers.
我们会说：“坚持你的想法，她会喜欢我们的演出。我不知道接下来会发生什么，但 And saying:"Hang on to your head, she gonna like what we gonna do here. We don't know what we gonna do, but
我知道你会喜欢它。” we know you gonna like it. "
深紫乐队不只是伟大的即兴演奏家， Deep Purple weren't just great improvisors.
他们的歌曲“Somke On the Water”里面包含着重金属最著名的重复乐段。 The song "Smoke On The Water" contains heavy metal's most famous riff.
它将深紫推向了英国畅销唱片第一名。 Which took Purple to No.1 on the UK's charts.
那么这个重复乐段背后的故事是什么？ So what's the story behind the riff,
乐队成员又对自己被视为重金属音乐领军人物有什么看法？ and how do the band members feel about being considered the leader of heavy metal music?
Ritchie 开始弹一个重复乐段， Ritchie started playing a riff,
我不知道他是事先想好的，还是信手拈来， I don't know if he had it before hand or what he just came to instantly,
我们加入进来，然后一起编曲。 We all joined in, and put together arrangement.
总共大概花了4分钟。 it took all of maybe four minutes.
你有了这段惊人的简单而琅琅上口的乐段， you had this amazingly simple catchy riff,
你就会得出一个很聪明的结论：它还要有一段故事。 you had quite clever consequence, you had a story.
大多数伟大的歌曲都有自己的故事。 Most great songs have stories.
这还得依靠Roger的智慧， and there really was the genius of Roger,
他说：“瞧瞧，我们已经找到一个重大事件了。” He said "Look, we've found a major occurrence here."
我们随即想起了那个我们本来准备录唱片的地方，宽敞而且景色优美，却被烧毁了。 We came to recall the place we gonna record, a beautiful big place just burnt down.
我们找到故事了。“我们要把整个故事讲出来。” We got all this story. "Let's tell the story of the whole thing."
它有种跨越界限的广泛感染力， It had been of a crossover appeal.
一下子把你们推上了曝光度和人气的天梯。 kind of moves you guys up a ladder in terms of exposure and popularity.
直到今天我仍感到惊奇， It amazed me till this day,
一支关于一场事故的歌， that a song about such specific incident,
居然有广泛的感染力。 has such general appeal.
很多人遇见我跟我说：“嘿， 这是我学吉他后练的第一首歌。” most people came over to me and said:"Hey, this is the first thing I play on guitar."
我们无论走到哪里都能听到这样的言论。 I hear that everywhere we go..
而且音乐商店也遭了秧，你知道， and you go to music stores and suffer like that, you know,
别再放“Smoke On The Water”,或“Stairway To Heaven”。 No "Smoke On The Water" or "Stairway To Heaven".
你就能听到这两首。 Those two you got.
那是个恭维的挖苦，但是很绝妙。 and that's a backhanded compliment but a great one.
在七十年代早期，你们是否将自己看作一个重金属乐队？ At the time in that early 70s' period, did you see yourselves as a heavy metal band?
我们只自称为硬摇滚乐队。 We just called ourselves a hard rock band.
金属只是我们和其他几个乐队创造出的一个方面。 Metal is one facet of what us and a couple of other bands created.
它是我们作品中肮脏的一面, it is the nasty side of what we do,
但我们还有其他很多东西和金属毫无联系。 but there is also other stuff we do which is not anyway connected to that.
我一直以为，深紫引爆了舞台上的炸药桶和喧哗， I always thought that purple inspires all the bomb bags and the loudness on stage.
我也一直以为，他们的一只脚似乎被拖入了布鲁斯之中。 I always thought they have one foot just dragging back into the blues somehow.
你知道，很多人都说深紫参与了重金属音乐， And you know some people say the Purple had a hand in heavy metal，
而我也承认，我们本可以成为那些重金属教父的一员， and I could accept that we could be one of the godfathers,
但我蔑视这种亲子关系，那完全不是我们。 but I defy the parenthood and at all that wasn't us.
我们不是重金属之父。 We weren't the parents.
尽管深紫乐队在重型音乐的拓展方面起到了一点作用， Despite Deep Purple's played a little role of expanding sound of heavy music,
就像安息日和齐柏林飞船——他们没有将自己的音乐定义为重金属。 much like Sabbath and Zeppelin—— they didn't define their sound as heavy metal.
不过既然这些乐队毫无疑问开拓了 But now that these bands undeniably forge
重型音乐的新方向， the new direction in heavy music,
那么硬摇滚在七十年代的英国 What would happen next in the evolution
接下来又会进化成什么样子？ of 70s' hard rock in England?
七十年代早期，伴随着 After the gound-breaking records
黑色安息日，齐柏林飞船还有深紫乐队发行了一张张里程碑式的专辑， of Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple in the early 70s,
英国硬摇滚音乐开始发生转变， The sound of British hard rock started to shift,
我总想知道为什么这些乐队渐渐远离了 and I've always wanted to know why these bands drifted away
那种充满侵略性的标志性声音。 from the iconic aggressive sound.
在“Master of Reality”之后，我们希望有机会能 After "Master of Reality"， we wanted to bring chance to
尝试一点不同的音乐，于是买了键盘等东西，然后 get a bit of different sound and move...buying keyboard and stuff like that. So that
Tony 的钢琴弹得越来越好。 Tony was getting good at playing the piano.
我们就准备更进一步尝试新的东西。 And we just wanted to experiment a bit more.
在“Vol. 4”和“Sabbath Bloody Sabbath”发行的那段时间， By the time "Vol. 4" ,"Sabbath Bloody Sabbath",
我们想，“我们多花点时间在录音棚里吧！” we thought of, you know, "let's spend a bit more time in the studio!"
那时候我们有足够的钱，你知道，能让我们不用一直巡演， and we had enough money by then to be able to, you know, not be on the road,
能让我们在录音棚里面多呆点时间。 to be able to go into the studio and spend more time.
我们所有人都在成长，我们仍然会受到新的影响， all of us were growing, all of us were still being influenced,
所以我认为我们需要和前三张专辑告个别。 so I think there was a departure from those first three records.
一切都是围绕着音乐， everything was always about the sound,
所以如果我们需要合唱，我们就加入合唱， So if we needed a choir, we added a choir, and
如果我需要管钟琴（我确实需要），我就会去演奏管钟琴。 if I needed to play tubular bells, which I did, I would play with the bells.
所以我们不怎么抗拒 So we have very little resistance
其他的乐器，也不抗拒新的想法。 to going to other instruments, and to new ideas,
你觉得为什么这些乐队开始 Why do you think these bands start
探索新的声音，寻找新的方向？ to explore new sounds and take new directions?
他们在音乐道路上已经走到了某个十字路口，也许无休止地演出相同的音乐、 They've come to the point of cross when it probably gets very tiring to play the same
表达相同的情感令他们感到疲惫不堪。他们有着罕见的探索精神， kind of riff and the same feeling. It is one-of-a-sort exploring
而在这种精神的指引下，安息日将键盘乐器纳入了他们专辑之中。 And while in the power of that, Sabbath puting keyboards on their album.
是啊，这是很漂亮的一招，仿佛在说他们根本不在乎别人说什么。 Yeah, that is lovely, which just... just don't really care what anyone says, you know.
因为你知道你在做什么。 Because you know you can do it.
谈一谈当今的传奇摇滚制作人Rick Wakeman，他一直与黑色安息日乐队合作。 Here is the now legendary pro rock producer Rick wakeman working with Black Sabbath.
你们和他一起共事感觉如何？ What was it like having him work with you guys?
（共事的）方式挺不错的。我们花了很长时间试图搞懂如何使用键盘，但就是没法做到。 The way can't be bad. We tried to work this keyboard part out for ages, and just couldn't get it right.
你知道，我一直试着弹，Tony也一直试着在弹，但是就是听起来别扭。 you know I was trying to play. Tony was trying to play, and it just didn't sound right.
我们当时在一家酒吧里，然后 Rick Wakeman就进来了。 We were in a bar, and Rick wakeman came in.
我们和 Rick 聊起来。 we got talking to Rick.
我们就用这样的语气问他：“你想干啥？” And we asked him in this voice :"What you trying to do?"
然后他走进工作室，说：“你们是指这样？”…… and he came into the studio and said: "You mean like this?"...
我们大叫：“是！” And we were:"YES!!"
就是这样，你知道。我们就让他负责键盘部分。 That was it, you know. We got him in the keyboard part.
所以 Rick 毫无疑问让我们的音乐升华了， So Rick definitely enhanced the music,
我很高兴我们经历过这些，我很高兴我们曾在专辑里同其他艺术家合作， and I am glad that we went through that, I am glad that we played with other artists on our records，
而不是陷入进一种很可怕的处境之中，你知道，我们过去将自己逼得太紧了。 Instead of being inside some very scared place about, you know, we challenged it too much, you know.
我想造物主粉碎了那些趋势，那些我们最初本会…… I think Creator smashes through a lot of what we might have originally been...
-铤而走险的趋势？ -是，本会非常铤而走险的趋势。 -Taking risks? -Yeah, been much taking risks.
除了黑色安息日， Besides Black Sabbath,
另一支改变了七十年代早期音乐的 the other British hard rock band that changed the sound
英国硬摇滚乐队， in the early 70s,
是深紫乐队。 was Deep Purple.
乐队内紧张气氛，最终促成了全新的 Tensions within the band here led to a brand new
Mark III 班组。 Mark III lineup,
首当其冲的，是两个深受 R&B 影响的成员—— featured in the R&B inspired dual——
Glenn Hughes 和 David Coverdale。 of Glenn Hughes and David Coverdale.
在加入深紫乐队的这段时间，你们觉得乐队在音乐方面和以往相比，有何变化？ How was it what you were doing in Deep Purple do you think different than what they had...the sound of the band before that?
我认为我带来了灵魂乐的元素。 I think I brought the soul element.
在加入深紫之前，我听得最多的三张专辑是 My three most played albums when I joined Deep Purple
Sly and the Family Stone 的 “There's a Riot Goin' on”， was "There's a Riot Goin' on" Sly and the Family Stone,
Donny Hathaway 的 “现场”，还有 Steve Wonder 的“Music of My Mind”. Donny Hathaway "Live" and "Music Of My Mind" Steve Wonder.
我是个不折不扣的硬摇滚迷，不过 I was a huge hard rock fan, but
我试图带入那些我曾经错误对待过的轻歌曲，你知道，就是那种布鲁斯元素。 I tried to bring that light songs which I mistreated, you know that kind of blues element.
我是在“Machine Head”发布后的鼎盛时期见到他们的。 I'd seen them at the peak of "Machine Head"
我当时认为他们很有趣，也很独特，我想他们都是那种难得一见的乐队。 I thought they were interesting, and I thought unique, and I thought they were all of a one-off band.
所以当他们在电话里向我伸出橄榄枝时，我就加入了他们。 So in the call came in for me is join them.
我那时对他们的音乐风格毫不热衷。 And I wasn't completely sold on the music that was about to play.
不过当我知道 Daivd 也和我一起加入后， But knowing the ...when David came in with me,
我想也许乐队内会产生一种全新的架构， there will be a whole possibly a new structure
不论在创作方面，还是唱腔方面。 in the form of writing and singing.
我并没有试图去使 I wasn't trying to derail
深紫脱离那种固有的焦虑和金属的感觉，但 the angst or metal vibe that was Purple, but
深紫会慢慢彻底改变。 Purple were changing radically.
那些乐队，像深紫，齐柏林飞船，安息日，Spooky Tooth, Bands like Purple, Zeppelin, and Sabbath, and Spooky Tooth,
以及在68、69年，或者72,、73年那段时间冒出来的那些乐队， and all these kind of bands being around since '68 and '69,
可以说代表了摇滚的黄金时代。 or '72, '73, that is almost the generation in Rock and roll.
感觉上，他们逐渐变得脱离了时代。 It felt like they were getting very very removed.
他们每个人都名利双收， Everyone was very famous and very rich,
开着豪华加长轿车，住着顶层豪宅。 They lived in limousines, they lived in penthouses.
他们对待摇滚，就好像某种，你知道， Rock was there to be treated like some kind of a, you know,
古典音乐。 a classical music.
到了70年代中期，像深紫和黑色安息日这些乐队 By the mid 70s, bands like Deep Purple and Black Sabbath
已经不再扮演英国重型音乐的急先锋， were no longer on the vangard of heavy music in England,
这为新鲜事物创造了空间。 creating a void of something new.
于是一类全新的音乐在下一代的摇滚迷中脱颖而出， and a whole new sound emerged for the next generation of rock fans.
那就是华丽摇滚。 That sound was glam rock.
那些来自于六十年代晚期的音乐 The music that was coming out of the late 60s,
都非常热衷于“没有个性特征的面孔”。 which was all very into "had no identifiable look".
如果你回忆一下，就会发现那些乐队很少 When you think back, not many of these bands
有旗帜鲜明的形象。 had big visual image.
有很多乐队……你只能看到他们的发型，分头，还有鼻子。 There was a lot of bands... haircuts, curtains, noses —— that is all you saw.
所以我想， So I think,
也许是为了妆点 kind of dressing up
六十年代晚期的商业摇滚， the late 60s' commercial rock
像 Sweet 这样的乐队才会流行起来。 was where bands like Sweet came in.
华丽摇滚在当时大举入侵歌坛。 Glam rock was a very big inbreak at that time.
例如那些代表性的乐队如 Sweet，他们颇有硬摇滚风格，你知道， Say front bands like the Sweet have quite a heavy rock style, you know.
他们的演出全都围绕着吉他，贝斯和鼓， it's all revolving around guitars, basses band drums,
但同时他们又有着一副“同志也摇滚”的派头 But at the same time they were adopting the kind of the gay-can-rock appearance of
就如 Marc Bonam 和 David Bowie 那样。 Marc Bonam and David Bowie.
但他们发行了许多热卖专辑， and they were getting hit records
受欢迎程度远超深紫乐队何齐柏林飞船。 much than that of Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin.
你觉得为什么那些歌迷会远离 Why do you think fans were moving away from that
严肃的“我们要改变世界”的精神， serious "We're gonna change the world" mentality
而更倾向于“我们只想要一场秀来娱乐一下”？ towards more just "We just wanna go to a show and have a good time"?
华丽摇滚当道的那段时期， England was having a harder time
也是英国时事艰难的时候。 during the glam rock period.
示威，游行……人们在不停地罢工…… Protests, marches... people were striking a lot...
不过通常当这些发生时，俱乐部却挤满了人， But usually when all that kind of stuff started happening, the pubs filled up,
人们只想度过一段美好时光 and people generally wanna have a good time to
来远离真实生活中的一切。 get you away from all the things that were going on in you life.
我们也许很幸运，成为了那种悲伤和沮丧的 We were probably lucky to be the outlet
发泄途径。 for that frustration.
华丽摇滚就是一条巨大的时尚纽带， A glam rock thing was a big fashion link,
年青一代的小孩们 and the younger generation of kids
并不怎么关心越南战争， who weren't so concerned about Vietnam war,
死亡，世界末日，还有毁灭。 death, doom, and destruction.
你知道，他们真正关心的是能否买到 You know, what were concerned about was buying
David Bowie 或 T-Rex 的下一张热卖专辑。 the next great hit record by David Bowie or T-Rex, you know.
它就是派对之声，就是派对音乐。 It's a party tone, and it's party music.
尽管华丽摇滚在英国大行其道， Even though glam rock was exploding in England,
而重金属音乐显得岌岌可危， and heavy metal appeared to be on the ropes,
有一位英国摇滚乐手 there was one British rocker
在二十世纪七十年代中期助重型音乐重整旗鼓： who helped reignite the heavy music in the mid 1970s:
他就是 Ritchie Blackmore. Ritchie Blackmore.
Ritchie 的新乐队彩虹 Ritchie's new band Rainbow was
与深紫乐队那 funk 走向的音乐相去甚远。 a far cry for the funk-inspired sounds of Deep Purple.
那么为什么他要组建彩虹乐队，并回归这种更重的音乐？ So why did he form Rainbow and return to this heavier sound?
据你看，为什么 Ritchie 离开深紫，想要在彩虹乐队里玩更重的音乐？ Why do you think Ritchie left Purple and wanted to do something heavier with Rainbow?
我认为 Ritchie 并不喜欢那种爵士节奏性很强的东西， I believe that Ritchie didn't like the super groove thing
而这正是 David 和我，以及 Ian Paice 实际上在做的事，而且 Jon Lord 现在已经在使用 Fender Rhodes 电钢琴了。 that David and myself, and actually Ian Paice was doing, and Jon Lord is now playing a Fender Rhodes keyboard.
于是当我们在制作“Stormbringer”之时， So by the time we were making "Stormbringer"
Ritchie 已经拿定了主意， Ritchie already got his head
他要开始制作那种小酒吧氛围的邪恶金属音乐。 that he was gonna start making the bar-influenced metal evil music.
我那时做了个糟糕的举动，播放了“Stormbringer”， I made a bad move puting on the "Stormbringer"，
他就……我记得他就把录音卡带扔出窗外。 he in the... I remember one time he to get out the track out the window.
-他完全不关心那个时期的Purple，他不喜欢。 -没错。 -He didn't care for that period of Purple at all. he didn't like it. -Right.
从我们第一次合练起，他就完全重新恢复到一种 From the first rehearsals we had, he was definitely in again
比之前任何时候都更原始粗犷的声音。 more raw sound than any he had before.
你能跟我谈谈古典音乐的影响吗？ Can you tell me about the classical influence?
Ritchie 带来的？ That Ritchie brought in?
他就好像晚生了五百年。 He was born like five hundred years too late.
他的热情总是……总是像十六世纪的东西。 And his passion was always...was always the sixteen century thing，
不过高 130分贝。 but at hundred and thirty decibels.
他为 《Stargazer》的现场做了一支独奏。 He did a solo on Stargazer in live sometimes.
它简直太神奇了。它就像在小提琴上的用吉他滑奏出的阿拉伯音阶。 It is abusolutely amazing. It is Arabic scales with a slide guitar on a Stradivarius
我之前从没听过这种东西。 I never heard anything like it.
除了 Ritchie Blackmore 那充满中世纪灵感的吉他音色， Beside Ritchie Blackmore's medieval-inspired guitar sound,
彩虹乐队还有一个标志性的主唱，他那充满力量感的嗓音 Rainbow also featured one of the most powerful vocalists
可以载入重金属音乐的历史： in the history of heavy metal:
他就是 Ronnie James Dio。 Ronnie James Dio.
我很幸运能够在 Ronnie 离世（2010年）的数年之前 And luckily I was able to meet Ronnie at his L.A. home
得以在他洛杉矶的家中与他相见， a few years before his death in 2010.
请他谈谈他如何得到他那金属唱腔的。 And asked him about his approach to metal vocals.
我觉得，我目前所作的音乐 I feel the music that I made
几乎都是关于小人物这个主题。 has been so much about the little man.
因为金属音乐一向被人低估， Because metal music has always been looked down upon，
于是显而易见，它成了能够感染那些被人忽视的小人物的音乐。 then and obviously it's going to be something that affect people who have been looked down upon.
那永远是我写音乐的主题，在我心中它远比其他更重要。 That's always been a thing I have written about, more than anything.
他有他独特的嗓音，并且用得适得其所。 He had his own voice and put it that way.
他是第一个将“塔罗牌，巫术，指环王”这类事物结合起来的人， He was the first to combine this "tarot cards, sorcery, Lord of The Rings" type of thing,
你知道，飘过的巫师， and wizard flying over you know
一只拳头从海洋伸到空中攫住彩虹…… and the fist coming out of the ocean grabing the rainbow...
所有这些充满幻想色彩的事物，与硬摇滚结合起来。 this all fantasy thing, with hard rock.
龙龙们…… Dragons...
还有中世纪，你看到的这些满屋子的东西， and medieval times, and the things that you see just surrounding my home,
是我生命的一部分。 are parts of my life.
我读了……在很早很早以前，我读了各种龙龙啊，骑士啊 I read... at such an early age I read all about dragons and knights and
魔鬼啊，苦难啊，还有各种伟大的科学幻想小说，... daemons and distress and great science-fiction works,and ...
令我叹为观止。我想我最好能够自己创造出这些幻想，那样真是酷毙了。 and I was just "WOW, I'd better create what these images are on myself, that is so cool."
这就是我后来一直写啊，写啊，写啊的原因。 And so that's why I was eventually writing, writing and writing.
我决定要将所有写下的东西纳入这种幻想领域， I decided to put all the things I wrote in this kind of fantasy area,
让你不得不去想：“他在说啥？哦，他说了那个，那么那个又是什么？” which makes you have to think:"What is he talking about? Oh, he said that, what that looks like."
我希望人们像我一样幻想世界， I wanted people to have used the imagination the way I did.
然后创造出自己的龙龙。 And creat their own dragons.
Ronnie James Dio, 一位将幻想形象化的先锋人物， Ronnie James Dio, pioneer of the fantasy-based imagery,
已经成为了许多现代金属乐队的根基的一部分。 has become part of the fabric of many contemporary metal bands.
不过说到第一支首创了现代金属之声， But the first band to create modern metal sound
并真正定义了重金属的乐队， and to actually identify the true heavy metal band
是犹大牧师乐队。 was Judas Priest.
- 让我们回到“Rocka Rolla” 和 “Sad Wings of Destiny”， - 好啊！ - Can we go back to "Rocka Rolla" and "Sad Wings of Destiny " , - Yes！
你认为 “Sad Wings”和 “Rocka Rolla” 相比，是怎样一张不同的专辑？ How do you think "Sad Wings..." was a different record than "Rocka Rolla"?
我认为这两张专辑最大的区别是， I think the difference between "Rocka Rolla" and "Sad Wings of Destiny " was
这期间乐队成长得非常迅速。 the band grew up very very quickly.
“Rocka Rolla”的一些歌曲已经列入乐队的常用曲目之中。 Some of those "Rocka Rolla" songs were already established in the band's repertoire.
所以到了我们制作“Sad Wings……”的时候， So about the time we got the "Sad Wings...",
它成长了，你绝对可以感受到这种成长。 there was a growth, there was definitely a growth going on.
它有非常强烈的金属声， It has a very metallic sound,
- 如果和，比如，你早期的安息日唱片比较， - 是的。 - compare to, say, your early Sabbath records, - yes.
- 你是怎么做到的？ - 安息日早期的几张专辑， - How did you do it? - The first Sabbath albums,
我们没花多少时间。 we'd done it in no time.
基本上，它们都是现场录音, 所有的声音 Basically, they set up live, recorded there
可能全都是通过一个控制台录制的，就是这样。 maybe through the vocal in the end, that was it.
“Sad Wings……”用了好几个月的时间集中编录。 "Sad Wings..." took quite a few months of intensive overdubs.
它像交响乐一样被精心编排，即使我们没用小提琴和……管他呢，各种乐器。 It is orchestrated except we don't have violins and ... you know, who cares, instrument...
我们用了鼓，吉他和贝司， We got drums, guitars, and basses,
但如果你将它们全都像一支古典乐曲那样精心编排后， but if you would arranged them like you would a classical piece of music,
它就是重金属。 That's heavey metal.
犹大牧师乐队代表了一个显著的变化， Judas Priest represent a distinct shift
完全脱离了金属音乐的布鲁斯基础。 away from the blues roots of metal.
他们在和弦演进方面的核心变化， Their core changes in the progression are not
是不再基于布鲁斯的 I-IV-V 和弦进行的十二小节形态。 based at all on I-IV-V blues twelve-bar kind of thing.
他们形成了独树一帜的金属风格， They become a distinct metal
在他们之前并没有真正的先例。 that has no real prior antecedents.
它是种全新的风格。 It's now a style.
你们从哪儿得到了灵感，创造出现在俨然已成为一种标志的 Where did you get the inspiration to create what is now a hallmark
双吉他演奏方式？ of what you guys do the two-guitar approach?
有一个乐队名叫“威斯朋艾许”， 他们有两个吉他手。 one band it particular was called Wishbone Ash. they had a couple of guitar players,
他们并不是特定意义上的那种重型音乐, and they do not heavy in a particular way，but
不过在那时（双吉他手）似乎是个很好的主意， it just seems to be really a good idea at that time,
因为这能让声音更丰满。 because its sound was just fuller.
你要知道在舞台上这是令人极度兴奋的要素。 You know it was almost a hysteria fact on the stage.
我们为此十分兴奋。 We were very excited about it.
在犹大牧师乐队之前，也有一些乐队中有两把吉他， There were bands before Judas Priest that had two guitars in them,
但他们似乎都相互游离于对方之外, But they almost seemed like disassociated with each other，
你知道，就是仅仅有两把吉他而已。 which is just two guitars in the band, you know,
Brad Whitford 和 Joe Perry， Brad Whitford and Joe Perry,
或 Keith Richards 和当时某一位吉他手。 or Keith Richards and whoever was the guitarist at that time.
双吉他手在相互的轰鸣之中爆发出真正坚实有力的高水准乐段—— the twin guitarists chugging away on a really good solid meat-and-patatoes riff
这起始于犹大牧师乐队。 are something that comes from Judas Priest.
你知道， 这*和谐*的牛逼演奏是我从未听过的。 You know, this is fucking ass-kicked that I'd never heard before.
Tipton 简直能把你的头扯下来。 Tipton was just tearing your head off.
他的主音吉他，真是太快了。 His leads, they were blistering.
而另一方面， K. K 是个疯子。 And then K.K on the other hand, was the mad man,
你知道，这家伙举起他的 Flying V，像这样甩动摇棒…… you know, the guy holding the Flying V and you know, play the whammy bar like this……
犹大牧师乐队对现代金属的影响 Judas Priest's influences on modern metal
可不止是双吉他的演奏方式， were beyond the dual guitar approach,
他们还始创了一套行头， they also established the look that would become the uniform
这套行头后来成为了重金属文化的制服。 of the heavy metal culture.
不管是音乐，还是视觉效果，两手都要一起抓。 It's one thing to have the music, but it's another thing to have the visual.
这样才能让这个星球上的每一个人都一看就想到：“对，就是它！” so that everybody on the planet can connect and go:"Yeah, that's it!"
那种狂野的装扮完全能代表音乐的声音。 the wild of that looks totally represent even the sound of the music.
我们全身上下都是黑色。 All our wear is black.
呵呵……我想你从没看到我穿的不是黑色。 hehe...just I don't feel you never find me never wearing black.
其他很多乐队都当时都穿着牛仔裤，还有各种不同的东西， So many the other bands were all still kind of wearing denims and different things,
但你的确能感觉到它很别具一格，你知道， but you did have the sense of excitement that it was kind of fresh, you know,
而且你也能感到观众会想到：“哇，这是新鲜玩意儿，这是金属！” and you had the sense that the audience recgonized the fact that, well this is new, this is metal.
三巨头（安息日，齐柏林，深紫）从来没有自我认同或接受 The Big Three never really self-identified or adopted
重金属这个概念，不过你们…… the concept of heavy metal, but you guys...
你们宣称了这个概念！ you claimed it!
这是一段时期。当时人们的确不怎么承认重金属，不过 It was a period. It wasn't nowhere people were really sort of not addmitting the heavy metal, but
在犹大牧师里，我们一直主张 in Priest we always maintained that
我们很为高举重金属大旗而骄傲。 we were proud of flying the flag of heavy metal.
我们就是我们，我们相信自己， we are who we are, we believe in ourselves,
当我们感到我们要做什么事的时候，我们坚定不移。 we are strong about what we feel we wanna do.
所以，没错，打从一开始， So yeah, right from the very beginning
我们犹大牧师乐队就希望被大家看作—— that's all we have wanted to be known as
“我们就是重金属！” in Judas Priest. It was :"we are heavy metal！"
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