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>> LESS THAN A MINUTE AWAY.
LESS THAN A MINUTE AWAY.
ELAINE: GOOD EVENING.
FROM LONGWOOD UNIVERSITY IN FAR
VOTE, VIRGINIA.
WELCOME TO THE FIRST AND ONLY
VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF
2016.
I AM ELAINE QUIJANO.
CORRESPONDENT FOR CBS NEWS.
IT IS AN HONOR TO MODERATE THIS
DEBATE BETWEEN SENATOR TIM KAINE
AND MIKE PENCE.
THEY ARE PROUD FATHERS OF SONS
SERVING IN THE U.S. MARINES.
THERE WILL BE NINE DIFFERENT
SEGMENTS COVERING DOMESTIC AND
FOREIGN-POLICY ISSUES, AND EACH
SEGMENT WILL BEGIN WITH A
QUESTION BOTH CANDIDATES WILL
EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER.
BY COIN TOSS, IT HAS BEEN
DETERMINED THAT SENATOR KAINE
WILL BE FIRST TO ANSWER THE
OPENING QUESTION.
WE HAVE AN ENTHUSIASTIC AUDIENCE
TONIGHT.
THEY HAVE AGREED TO ONLY EXPRESS
THAT ENTHUSIASM ONCE AT THE END
OF THE DEBATE, AND RIGHT NOW, AS
WE WELCOME GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE
AND SENATOR TIM KAINE.
[APPLAUSE]
>> THANK YOU.
IT IS AN HONOR.
[APPLAUSE]
[CHEERING]
JANET: ELAINE: GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME.
IT TRULY IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE
WITH BOTH OF YOU TONIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THE
TOPIC OF PRESIDENTIAL
LEADERSHIP.
28 YEARS AGO TOMORROW NIGHT,
LLOYD BENTSEN SAID THE VICE
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WAS NOT
ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR
VICE PRESIDENCY, BUT HOW, IF
TRAGEDY SHOULD OCCUR, THE VICE
PRESIDENT HAS TO STEP IN WITHOUT
MARGIN FOR EVER, WITHOUT TIME
FOR PREPARATION TO TAKE OVER THE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BIGGEST
JOB IN THE WORLD.
WHAT ARE YOUR QUALITIES, YOUR
SKILLS, AND YOUR TEMPERAMENT
THAT EQUIP YOU TO STEP INTO THAT
ROLE AT A MOMENTS NOTICE?
SEN. KAINE: IT IS SO GREAT TO BE
BACK AT LONGWOOD IN FARMVILLE,
VIRGINIA.
THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL PLACE.
65 YEARS AGO, A YOUNG,
COURAGEOUS WOMAN, BARBARA JOHNS,
LED A WALKOUT OVER HIGH SCHOOL.
SHE MADE HISTORY BY PROTESTING
SCHOOLS GO DURATION -- SCHOOL
SEGREGATION SHOULD SHE BELIEVES
OUR NATION IS STRONGER TOGETHER
AND WALKOUT LED TO THE BROWN
VERSUS BOARD OF EDUCATION
DECISION THAT MOVED US TOWARD
EQUALITY.
I AM SO PROUD TO BE RUNNING WITH
ANOTHER STRONG HISTORY MAKING
WOMAN, HILLARY CLINTON, TO BE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
HER VISION OF STRONGER TOGETHER,
BUILDING AN ECONOMY THAT WORKS
FOR ALL, NOT JUST THOSE AT THE
TOP, BEING SAFE IN THE WORLD,
NOT ONLY WITH A STRONG MILITARY,
BUT ALSO STRONG ALLIANCES, TO
BATTLE TERRORISM AND CLIMATE
CHANGE, AND ALSO TO BUILD A
COMMUNITY OF RESPECT, LIKE
BARBARA JOHNS TRIED TO DO 65
YEARS AGO.
THAT IS WHY I AM SO PROUD TO BE
A RUNNING MATE.
HILLARY TOLD ME WHY SHE ASKED ME
TO BE A RUNNING MATE.
IT WILL BE WHETHER WE CAN MAKE
SOMEBODY'S LIFE BETTER, WHETHER
WE CAN MAKE A CLASSROOM BETTER
LEARNING ENVIRONMENT FOR SCHOOL
KIDS WERE TEACHERS, WHETHER WE
CAN MAKE IT SAFER.
IT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT RESULTS.
SHE SAID TO ME, YOU HAVE BEEN A
MISSIONARY AND CIVIL RIGHTS
LAWYER.
YOU HAVE BEEN A LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR AND GOVERNOR, AND NOW A
U.S. SENATOR.
I THINK YOU WILL HELP ME FIGURE
OUT HOW TO GOVERN THIS NATION SO
WE ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THAT THE
SUCCESS OF THE ADMINISTRATION IS
THE DIFFERENCE WE MAKE IN
PEOPLE'S LIVES.
THAT IS WHAT I BRING TO THE
TICKET.
I HAVE SERVED AT ALL LEVELS OF
GOVERNMENT.
MY PRIMARY ROLE IS TO BE HILLARY
CLINTON'S RIGHT-HAND PERSON AND
STRONG SUPPORT I SHE PUT
TOGETHER THE MOST HISTORIC
ADMINISTRATION POSSIBLE.
I RELISH THAT ROLE.
I AM SO PROUD OF HER.
WE TRUST HILLARY CLINTON, MY
WIFE AND I, WITH THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING IN OUR LIFE HERE
IT WE HAVE A SON DEPLOYED IN THE
MARINES.
WE TRUST HILLARY CLINTON AS
PRESIDENT AND COMMANDER IN TREAT
.
THE THOUGHT OF DONALD TRUMP AS
COMMANDER IN CHIEF SCARES US TO
DEATH.
GOV. PENCE: THANK YOU TO
LONGWOOD UNIVERSITY FOR THE
WONDERFUL HOSPITALITY, THE
COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATES.
IT IS DEEPLY HUMBLING FOR ME TO
BE HERE, TO BE SURROUNDED BY MY
WHAT IF A FAMILY.
SENATOR KAINE, IT IS A HONOR TO
BE YOUR WITH YOU AS WELL.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO
EVERYONE LOOKING IN THE NIGHT,
WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT AN
ENORMOUSLY IMPORTANT TIME THIS
IS IN THE LIFE OF OUR NATION.
FOR THE LAST 7.5 YEARS, WE HAVE
SEEN AMERICA'S PLACE IN THE
WORLD WEAKENED, THE
ECONOMY STIFLED BY TAXATION, A
WAR ON COAL, AND THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO MAKE
A CHANGE.
I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR
BEING WITH US TONIGHT.
I WANT TO THANK DONALD TRUMP FOR
MAKING THAT CALL AND INVITING US
TO BE A PART OF THIS TICKET.
I AM A SMALL TOWN BOY FROM A
PLACE NOT TOO DIFFERENT FROM
FARMVILLE.
I GREW UP WITH A CORNFIELD IN MY
BACKYARD.
MY GRANDFATHER IMMIGRATED TO
THIS COUNTRY WHEN SHE WOULD --
WHEN HE WAS ABOUT MY SUNDAY'S
AGE.
-- MY SON'S AGE.
THEY RAISED A FAMILY.
I DREAM SOMEDAY OF REPRESENTING
MY HOMETOWN AND WASHINGTON,
D.C., BUT HONESTLY, ELAINE, I
NEVER IMAGINED I WOULD HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE GOVERNOR OF
THE STATE I LOVE, LET ALONE BE
SITTING AT A TABLE LIKE THIS IN
THIS KIND OF POSITION.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I WOULD
HOPE THAT IF THE RESPONSIBILITY
EVER FELL TO ME IN THIS ROLE,
THAT I WOULD MEET THE
RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD I BE
ELECTED VICE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, TO BRING UP A
LIFETIME OF EXPERIENCE, A
LIFETIME OF GRINDING UP IN A
SMALL TOWN, WHERE I SERVED IN
THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED
STATES, IN THE GREAT STATE OF
INDIANA.
I WOULD HOPE, AND PRAY, TO BE
ABLE TO MEET THAT MOMENT WITH
MATT LIFETIME OF EXPERIENCE.
ELAINE: -- WITH THAT LIFETIME OF
EXPERIENCE.
ELAINE: YOU TALKED ABOUT HILLARY
CLINTON'S CHARACTER, YET 60% OF
VOTERS DO NOT THINK SHE HAS
TRUSTWORTHY.
WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE DISTRUST
HER?
IS IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE
QUESTIONS ABOUT HER E-MAILS AND
THE CLINTON FOUNDATION?
SEN. KAINE: LET ME TELL YOU WHY
I TRUST HILLARY CLINTON.
HERE'S WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK
FOR IN A SERVANT.
DO THEY HAVE A PASSION IN THEIR
LIFE BEFORE THEY WERE IN PUBLIC
LIFE?
HILLARY CLINTON HAS THAT PASSION
FROM A TIME AS A KID IN A
METHODIST YOUTH GROUP IN THE
SUBURBS OF CHICAGO, SHE HAS BEEN
FOCUSED ON SERVING OTHERS WITH A
SPECIAL FOCUS ON EMPOWERING
FAMILIES AND KIDS.
AS A CIVIL RIGHTS LAWYER IN THE
SOUTH WITH THE CHILDREN'S
DEFENSE FUND, FIRST LADY OF
ARKANSAS AND THIS COUNTRY'S
SECRETARY OF STATE, IT HAS
ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT PUTTING OTHERS
FIRST.
THAT IS A SHARP CONTRAST WITH
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP ALWAYS PUTS HIMSELF
FIRST.
HE BUILT A BUSINESS CAREER, IN
THE WORDS OF HIS OWN CAMPAIGN
STAFFERS, "OFF THE BACKS OF THE
LITTLE GUY."
HE STARTED HIS CAMPAIGN WAS A
SPEECH WHERE HE CALLED MEXICANS
RAPISTS AND CRIMINALS, AND HE
HAS PURSUED THE DISCREDITED AND
OUTRAGEOUS LIE THAT PRESIDENT
OBAMA WAS NOT BORN IN THE UNITED
STATES.
IT IS PAINFUL TO SUGGEST WE GO
BACK TO THINK ABOUT THESE DAYS
WHERE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN COULD
NOT BE A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED
STATES.
I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW GOVERNOR
PENCE CAN DEFEND DONALD TRUMP.
ELAINE: YOU SAID DONALD TRUMP'S
"THOUGHTFUL, COMPASSIONATE, AND
STEADY."
VOTERS THINK HE IS A RISKY
CHOICE, AND 65% THINK HE DOES
NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TEMPERAMENT
TO BE PRESIDENT.
WHY DO SO MANY AMERICANS THINK
TRUMP IS SIMPLY TO ERRATIC?
GOV. PENCE: FIRST AND FOREMOST,
SENATOR, U.N. HILLARY CLINTON
WOULD KNOW A LOT ABOUT AN INSULT
DRIVEN CAMPAIGN.
THAT'S YOU AND -- U.N. HILLARY
CLINTON WOULD KNOW A LOT ABOUT
AN INSULT DRIVEN CAMPAIGN.
WE SEE ENTIRE PORTIONS OF THE
WORLD, PARTICULARLY THE MIDDLE
EAST, SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL IN
A SITUATION WE ARE WATCHING
HOUR-BY-HOUR IN SYRIA TODAY, A
RESULT OF THE FAILED FOR POLICY
THAT HILLARY CLINTON HELPED LEAD
IN THIS ADMINISTRATION AND
CREATE.
THE NEWLY EMBOLDENED PROGRESSION
OF RUSSIA, IN UKRAINE OR --
ELAINE: WE WILL GET YOU RUSH
AND JUST A MOMENT.
I WANT TO GET BACK --
GOV. PENCE: ELAINE, THANK YOU.
SEN. KAINE: HE PRAISED VLADIMIR
PUTIN AS A GREAT LEADER.
ELAINE: THE QUESTION WE ARE AT
--
GOV. PENCE: AT A TIME OF GREAT
CHALLENGE, IN THE LIFE OF THIS
NATION, WHERE WE HAVE WEAKENED
AMERICA'S PLACE IN THE WORLD,
THE CAMPAIGN OF HILLARY CLINTON
AND TIM KAINE HAS BEEN AN
AVALANCHE OF INSULTS.
TO GET YOUR QUESTION ABOUT
TRUSTWORTHINESS, DONALD TRUMP
HAS BUILT A BUSINESS THROUGH
HARD TIMES AND GOOD TIMES.
HE HAS BROUGHT AN EXTRAORDINARY
BUSINESS ACUMEN, EMPLOYED TENS
OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS
COUNTRY, --
SEN. KAINE: AND COST $1 BILLION
PER YEAR.
GOV. PENCE: THERE IS A REASON
WHY PEOPLE QUESTION THE
TRUSTWORTHINESS OF HILLARY
CLINTON, AND THAT IS BECAUSE
THEY ARE PAYING ATTENTION.
THE REALITY IS, SHE WAS
SECRETARY OF STATE.
SHE HAD THE CLINTON FOUNDATION
ACCEPTING CONTRIBUTIONS FROM
FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.
SEN. KAINE: LET ME TALK ABOUT
THIS --
GOV. PENCE: SENATOR --
THIS IS MY TIME.
SEN. KAINE: ISN'T THIS A
DISCUSSION?
GOV. PENCE: THE CLINTON
FOUNDATION ACCEPTED FOREIGN
CONTRIBUTIONS FROM FOREIGN
GOVERNMENTS AND FOREIGN
GOVERNORS WHILE SHE WAS
SECRETARY OF STATE.
SHE HAD A PRIVATE SERVER --
SEN. KAINE: I GET TO WEIGH IN.
GOVERNOR PENCE DOES NOT THINK IT
HAS GONE SO WELL, HE'S GOING TO
SAY IT IS EVERYBODY'S --
GOV. PENCE: DO YOU?
SEN. KAINE: WHEN SHE WAS
SECRETARY OF STATE, OSAMA BIN
LADEN WAS ON LIFE.
-- WAS ALIVE.
RUSSIA WAS EXPANDING ITS
STOCKPILE.
UNDER SECRETARY CLINTON'S
LEADERSHIP, SHE WAS PARTNERED
WITH THE SAFETY TEAM THAT WENT
AFTER AND REVIVED THE -- AGAINST
BIN LADEN.
SHE WORKED A DEAL WITH THE
RUSSIANS TO REDUCE THEIR
CHEMICAL WEAPONS STOCKPILE.
SHE WORKED A TOUGH NEGOTIATION
WITH NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD TO
ELIMINATE THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR
WEAPONS PROGRAM WITHOUT FIRING A
SHOT.
WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT, AND
INSTEAD OF 175,000 AMERICAN
TROOPS DEPLOYED OVERSEAS, WE
NOW HAVE 15,000.
GOV. PENCE: IRAQ HAS BEEN
OVERRUN BY ISIS.
THEY FAILED TO NEGOTIATE.
HILLARY CLINTON HAS FAILED TO
RENEGOTIATE THE STATUS OF FORCES
AGREEMENT.
SEN. KAINE: THAT IS INCORRECT.
ELAINE: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON.
SEN. KAINE: I WOULD LIKE TO
CORRECT --
PRESIDENT BUSH SAID WE WOULD
LEAVE IRAQ AT THE END OF 2011.
IRAQ DID NOT WANT OUR TROOPS TO
STAY.
THEY WOULD NOT GIVE US THE
PROTECTIVE OF OUR TROOPS.
IF A NATION WHERE OUR TROOPS ARE
SERVING DOES NOT WANT US TO
STAY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO STAY
--
GOV. PENCE: IT WAS A FAILURE OF
THE SECRETARY OF STATE --
ELAINE: THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE WONDERING ABOUT THE
ECONOMY.
ACCORDING TO THE NONPARTISAN
COMMITTEE, NEITHER OF YOUR
ECONOMIC PLANS WOULD REDUCE THE
GROWING $19 TRILLION GROSS
NATIONAL DEBT.
IN FACT, YOUR PLANS WOULD ADD
EVEN MORE TO IT.
BOTH OF YOU WERE GOVERNORS WHO
BALANCED THE STATE BUDGET.
ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT ADDING
MORE TO THE DEBT COULD BE
DISASTROUS FOR THE COUNTRY?
GOVERNOR PENCE.
GOV. PENCE: THE FACT THAT UNDER
THIS PAST ADMINISTRATION OF
WHICH HILLARY CLINTON WAS A
PART, WE HAVE ALMOST DOUBLED THE
NATIONAL DEBT.
IT IS ATROCIOUS.
I HAVE VERY PROUD OF THE FACT
THAT I COME FROM A STATE THAT
WORKS.
THE STATE OF INDIANA HAS
BALANCED BUDGET.
WE CUT TAXES.
I FINISHED MY TURN WITH $2
BILLION IN THE BANK.
THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT
FROM WHEN SENATOR KAINE WAS
GOVERNOR HERE IN VIRGINIA.
HE ACTUALLY TRIED TO RAISE TAXES
BY ABOUT $4 BILLION.
HE LEFT HIS ESTATE ABOUT $2
BILLION IN THE HOLE.
THE STATE OF INDIANA, WE CUT
UNEMPLOYMENT IN HALF.
UNEMPLOYMENT DOUBLED WHEN HE WAS
GOVERNOR.
HE IS A VERY FITTING RUNNING
MATE FOR HILLARY CLINTON BECAUSE
IN THE WAKE OF THE SEASON WHEN
AMERICAN FAMILIES ARE STRUGGLING
IN THIS ECONOMY, UNDER THE
WEIGHT OF HIGHER TAXES AND
OBAMACARE AND THE WAR ON COAL
AND THE SETTLING AVALANCHE OF
REGULATIONS COMING OUT OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION, HILLARY CLINTON
AND TIM KAINE WANT MORE OF THE
SAME.
IT REALLY IS REMARKABLE.
THEY ACTUALLY ARE ADVOCATING $1
TRILLION IN TAX INCREASES.
YOU TRIED TO RAISE TAXES IN
VIRGINIA AND WERE UNSUCCESSFUL.
WHEN TRILLION DOLLARS IN TAX
INCREASES, MORE REGULATION, MORE
OF THE SAME -- $1 TRILLION IN
TAX INCREASES, MORE REGULATION,
MORE OF THE SAME WAR ON COAL.
HILLARY CLINTON AND TIM KAINE
WANT TO BUILD ON OBAMACARE AND
MAKE IT A SINGLE-PAYER PROGRAM.
HILLARY CLINTON THINGS OBAMACARE
IS A GOOD START.
-- THINKS OBAMACARE IS A GOOD
START.
WE HAVE A PLAN TO GET HEALTH
CARE WORKING AGAIN BY LOWERING
TAXES ACROSS THE BOARD FOR
WORKING FAMILIES, SMALL
BUSINESSES, AND FAMILY FARMS,
ENDING THE WAR ON COAL THAT IS
HURTING JOBS, REPEALING
OBAMACARE, LOCK STOCK, AND
REPEALING ALL OF THE EXECUTIVE
ORDERS OBAMA HAS SIGNED THAT ARE
STARTLING ECONOMIC -- STIFLING
ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THIS COUNTRY.
ON TOP OF THAT, THE TRADE DEALS
THAT HAVE PUT THE AMERICAN
WORKER FIRST, YOU HAVE GOT A
PRESCRIPTION FOR REAL GROWTH.
WHEN YOU GET THE ECONOMY
GROWING, THAT IS WHEN YOU CAN
DEAL WITH THE NATIONAL DEBT.
WHEN WE GET BACK TO 3.5% TO 4%
GROWTH, THEN WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MEET OUR
NATION'S NEEDS AT HOME, ABROAD,
AND THE ABILITY TO BRING DOWN
THE NATIONAL THAT.
SEN. KAINE: ON THE ECONOMY,
THERE IS A CHOICE FOR THE
AMERICAN ELECTORATE.
DO YOU WANT A "YOU ARE HIRED"
PRESIDENT IN HILLARY CLINTON OR
A "YOU ARE FIRED" PRESIDENT AND
DONALD TRUMP?
WE HAVE FIVE COMPONENTS.
FIRST, WE INVEST IN
MANUFACTURING, INFRASTRUCTURE,
AND RESEARCH INTO CLEAN ENERGY
JOBS FOR TOMORROW.
SECOND, WE INVEST IN OUR
WORKFORCE FROM PRE-K EDUCATION
TO GREAT TEACHERS, TO DEBT FREE
COLLEGE, AND TUITION FREE
COLLEGE FOR FAMILIES THAT MAKE
LESS THAN $125,000 PER YEAR.
WE FROM OAK BY RAISING THE
MINIMUM WAGE SO YOU CANNOT
WORK FULL-TIME AND MAKE UNDER
THE POVERTY LEVEL.
WE PROMOTE SMALL BUSINESS GROWTH
TO MAKE IT EASIER TO START AND
GROSSMONT BUSINESSES.
WE EACH GREW UP IN SMALL
BUSINESS FAMILIES.
MY DAD RAN A WELDING SHOP.
WE HAVE A TAX PLAN THAT TARGETS
TAX RELIEF TO MIDDLE-CLASS
INDIVIDUALS AND SMALL BUSINESSES
AND ASKED THOSE AT THE TOP WHO
BENEFITS AS WE COME OUT OF
RECESSION TO PAY MORE.
THE TRUMP PLAN IS A DIFFERENT
PLAN.
IT IS A "YOU ARE FIRED"
PLAN.
BOTH DONALD TRUMP AND MIKE PENCE
THINK WE OUGHT TO ELIMINATE THE
FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE.
MIKE PENCE, WHEN HE WAS IN
CONGRESS, VOTED AGAINST RAISING
THE MINIMUM WAGE ABOVE FIVE
DOLLARS -- $5.15.
HE HAS BEEN A ONE-MAN BULWARK.
SECOND, MASSIVE TAX BREAKS FOR
THE VERY TOP, TRILLIONS OF
DOLLARS OF TAX BREAKS FOR
PEOPLE LIKE DONALD TRUMP.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID 10
YEARS AGO AND IT PUT OUR ECONOMY
IN THE DEEPEST RECESSION SINCE
THE 1930'S.
THE TRUMP PLAN WOULD COST $3.5
MILLION JOBS.
HIS TAX PLAN HELPED HIM.
IF HE EVER MET HIS PROMISE AND
GAVE HIS TAX RETURNS TO THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC LIKE HE SAID HE
WOULD, WE WOULD SEE JUST HOW
MUCH HIS ECONOMIC PLAN IS REALLY
A TRUMP-FIRST PLAN.
ELAINE: THE NEW YORK TIMES
RELEASED PART OF MR. THOMPSON
1995 TAX RETURNS AND REPORTED HE
COULD HAVE AVOIDED PAYING
SEVERAL INCOME TAXES FOR
YEARS.
MR. TRUMP SAID HE BRILLIANTLY
USED THE LAWS TO PAY AS LITTLE
TIES AS LEGALLY POSSIBLE.
DOES THAT SEEM FAIR TO YOU?
GOV. PENCE: I APPRECIATE THE
"YOU ARE HIRED," "YOU ARE FIRED"
THING.
WHAT YOU ALL JUST HEARD OUT
THERE IS MORE TAXES, $2 TRILLION
IN MORE SPENDING, MORE DEFICITS,
MORE DEBT, MORE GOVERNMENT, AND
IF YOU THINK THAT IS ALL WORTH
IT, LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF
THE TABLE.
THE POLICIES OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION, WHICH HILLARY
CLINTON AND SENATOR KAINE WANT
TO CONTINUE, HAVE RUN THIS
ECONOMY INTO A DITCH.
SEN. KAINE: 50 MILLION NEW JOBS.
GOV. PENCE: THERE ARE PEOPLE
LIVING IN POVERTY TODAY THAN THE
DAY THAT BARACK OBAMA WAS
HILLARY CLINTON AT HIS SIDE --
SEN. KAINE: IT WOULD IMPROVE
DRAMATICALLY BETWEEN --
GOV. PENCE: YOU CAN ROLLOUT THE
NUMBERS AND THE SUNNYSIDE.
PEOPLE IN SCRANTON, NO
DIFFERENT.
PEOPLE IN INDIANA, NO DIFFERENT.
IN THIS ECONOMY, AND PEOPLE ARE
STRUGGLING.
THE ANSWER IS NOT MORE TAXES, --
SEN. KAINE: IT IS NOT TO GIVE
AWAY TAX RELIEF TO FOLKS AT THE
TOP.
I WANT TO HEAR WHETHER HE WILL
DEFEND HIS RUNNING MATE NOT
RELEASING TAXES.
ELAINE: THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT
WHETHER IT SEEMS FAIR TO YOU
THAT MR. TRUMP SAID HE
BRILLIANTLY USED THE LAWS TO PAY
AS LITTLE TAX AND LEGALLY
POSSIBLE.
GOV. PENCE: THIS IS THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP
AND HILLARY CLINTON AND
SENATOR KAINE.
THEY ARE CAREER PUBLIC SERVANT.
DONALD TRUMP IS A BUSINESSMAN,
NOT A CAREER POLITICIAN.
HE BUILT A BUSINESS.
THOSE TAX RETURNS THAT CAME OUT
PUBLICLY THIS WEEK SHOWED THAT
HE FACED PRETTY TOUGH TIMES 20
YEARS AGO.
LIKE VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER
BUSINESS, INCLUDING THE NEW YORK
TIMES, HE USED OPERATING LAWS, A
TAX CODE THAT ACTUALLY IS
DESIGNED TO ENCOURAGE OPPORTUNE
OWNERSHIP -- ENCOURAGE
ENTREPRENEURSHIP.
SEN. KAINE: BUT WHY WON'T HE
RELEASED HIS TAX RETURNS?
GOV. PENCE: HE WENT THROUGH A
VERY DIFFICULT TIME, BUT HE USED
THE TAX CODE JUST THE WAY IT WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE USED.
SEN. KAINE: HOW DO YOU KNOW
THAT?
GOV. PENCE: HE HAS CREATED A
BUSINESS WITH BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
SEN. KAINE: HOW DO YOU KNOW
THAT?
GOV. PENCE: THIS WHOLE RIFF
ABOUT NOT PAYING TAXES, DONALD
HAS CREATED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
JOBS, AND HAS PAID PAYROLL --
SEN. KAINE: LET ME TALK ABOUT
THAT.
ELAINE: SENATOR, I AM GOING TO
GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS TO RESPOND.
GOVERNOR.
SEN. KAINE: DONALD TRUMP STARTED
THIS CAMPAIGN IN 2016.
HE SAID, "IF I AM RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT, I WILL ABSOLUTELY
RELEASE MY TAX RETURNS."
GOV. PENCE: HE SAID HE WILL DO
IT.
SEN. KAINE: HE SAID "THAT MAKES
ME SMART."
IT IS SMART NOT TO BE FOR OUR
MILITARY, FOR VETERANS, FOR
TEACHERS.
I GUESS ALL OF US WHO DO PAY FOR
THOSE THINGS, I GUESS WERE
STUPID.
GOV. PENCE: SENATOR, DO YOU --
SEN. KAINE: GOVERNOR PENCE,
GOVERNOR PENCE HAD TO GIVE
DONALD TRUMP HIS TAX RETURNS TO
SHOW HE WAS QUALIFIED TO BE VICE
PRESIDENT.
DONALD TRUMP MUST IF THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC HIS TAX RETURN
TO SHOW HE IS QUALIFIED TO BE
PRESIDENT.
HE IS BREAKING HIS PROMISE.
GOV. PENCE: I HAVE TO RESPOND TO
THIS.
DONALD TRUMP HAS FILED OVER 100
PAGES OF FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE,
WHICH IS WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES.
YOU CAN READ YOU'VE THAT -- YOU
CAN REVIEW THAT.
ELAINE: GENTLEMEN, I NEED TO ASK
ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY.
SEN. KAINE: RICHARD NIXON
RELEASE TEST RETURNS UNDER
AUDIT.
ELAINE: PEOPLE AT HOME CANNOT
UNDERSTAND EITHER ONE OF YOU
WHEN YOU SPEAK OVER EACH OTHER.
I WILL PLEASE ASK YOU TO WAIT
UNTIL THE OTHER IS FINISHED.
ON THE ISSUE OF SOCIAL SECURITY.
IN 18 YEARS, WHEN THE SOCIAL
SECURITY TRUST FUNDS RUN OUT OF
MONEY, YOU WILL BE 76.
THE COMMUNITY FOR RESPONSIBLE
FEDERAL BUDGET ESTIMATES YOUR
BENEFITS COULD BE CUT BY AS MUCH
AS $3500 PER YEAR.
WHAT WOULD YOUR -- $7,500 PER
YEAR.
SEN. KAINE: WE ARE GOING TO
PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY, ONE OF
THE GREATEST PROGRAMS THE
AMERICAN GOVERNMENT HAS EVER
DONE.
IT HAPPENED AT A TIME WHEN YOU
WORKED YOUR WHOLE LIFE RAISING
YOUR KIDS, WORKING, BEING A
LITTLE LEAGUE COACH, AND
RETIRE INTO POVERTY.
WE HAVE TO KEEP IT SOLVENT AND
WILL KEEP IT SOLVENT.
WE WILL LOOK FOR STRATEGIES LIKE
ADJUSTING THE PAYROLL TAX CAP
UPWARD IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
HERE IS WHAT HILLARY AND I WILL
NOT DO, AND I WANT TO MAKE THIS
PLANE.
WE WILL NEVER EVER ENGAGE IN A
RISKY SCHEME TO PRIVATIZE SOCIAL
SECURITY.
DONALD TRUMP WROTE A BOOK AND
SAID SOCIAL SECURITY IS A PONZI
SCHEME AND PRIVATIZATION WOULD
BEGIN FOR ALL OF US.
WHEN CONGRESSMAN PENCE WAS AN
CONGRESS, HE WAS THE CHIEF
CHEERLEADER FOR THE
PRIVATIZATION OF SOCIAL
SECURITY, EVEN AFTER PRESIDENT
BUSH STOPPED PUSHING FOR IT,
CONGRESSMAN PENCE KEPT PUSHING
FOR IT.
WE ARE GOING TO STAND UP AGAINST
THAT PUSH TO PRIVATIZE SOCIAL
SECURITY AND LOOK FOR WAYS TO
KEEP IT SOLVENT GOING FORWARD,
FOCUSING ON THE PAYROLL TAX.
GOV. PENCE: THANK YOU, YOU LANE
THERE THEY GO AGAIN.
[LAUGHTER]
GOV. PENCE: WE ARE GOING TO MEET
OBLIGATIONS TO OUR SENIORS.
WE SAID WE ARE GOING TO MEET THE
OBLIGATIONS TO MEDICARE.
THIS IS WHAT THIS CAMPAIGN IS
REALLY ABOUT, SENATOR.
THIS IS THE SCARE TACTIC THAT
THEY ROLL OUT --
SEN. KAINE: YOU HAVE A VOTING
RECORD, GOVERNOR.
GOV. PENCE: LOOK, THERE IS A
QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED --
SEN. KAINE: YOU WANT DEFENDER ON
VOTING RECORD.
GOV. PENCE: YOU ARE RUNNING WITH
-- DEFEND YOUR OWN VOTING
RECORD.
GOV. PENCE: YOU ARE RUNNING WITH
HILLARY CLINTON.
YOU SAY YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP
THE PROMISES OF SOCIAL SECURITY.
DONALD TRUMP AND I ARE GOING TO
CUT TAXES.
SEN. KAINE: YOU ARE GOING TO
RAISE TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS.
GOV. PENCE: WE WILL MEET THE
OBLIGATIONS OF SOCIAL SECURITY
AND MEDICARE.
IF WE STAY ON THE PATH THAT YOU
HAVE IS ON, WE ARE GOING TO BE
IN A MOUNTAIN RANGE OF THAT.
-- OF THAT.
-- OF DEBT.
ELAINE: ALL RIGHT, LET ME MOVE
ON.
THE ISSUE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
RACE RELATIONS.
LAW ENFORCEMENT AND RACE
RELATIONS.
AFTER THE DALLAS POLICE
SHOOTING, POLICE CHIEF DAVID
BROWN SAID "WE ARE ASKING COPS
TO DO TOO MUCH IN THIS COUNTRY.
EVERY SOCIETAL FAILURE, WE PUT
IT OFF ON THE COPS.
NOT ENOUGH MENTAL HEALTH
FUNDING, DRUG ADDICTION FUNDING,
AND SCHOOLS FAIL.
DO WE ASK TOO MUCH OF POLICE
OFFICERS IN THIS COUNTRY?
HOW WOULD YOU SPECIFICALLY
ADDRESS THE CHIEF'S CONCERNS.
SEN. KAINE: THAT IS A VERY FAIR
COMMENT.
WE PUT ALL THAT ON POLICE'S
SHOULDERS.
I WAS A CITY COUNCILMAN AND
MAYOR IN RICHMOND.
WHEN I CAME IN, WE HAD ONE OF
THE HIGHEST SEVERANCE RATES IN
THE STATES.
WE FOUGHT VERY HARD WITH OUR
POLICE DEPARTMENT AND REDUCE OUR
HOMICIDE RATE NEARLY IN HALF.
WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR OF REGINA,
WE WORKED HARD.
WE HAD -- GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA,
WE WORKED VERY HARD.
WE WORKED TOGETHER.
HERE IS WHAT I LEARNED AS A
MAYOR AND GOVERNOR.
THE WAY YOU MAKE IMMUNITIES
FAVOR AND THE WAY YOU MAKE
POLICE SAVER IS THROUGH
COMMUNITY POLICING.
YOU BUILD THE BONDS BETWEEN
AMENITY AND THE POLICE FORCE,
BONDS OF UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S
BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE
POLICE FORCE, BONDS OF
UNDERSTANDING.
WHEN THAT GAP NARROWS, IT IS
SAFER FOR COMMUNITIES, AND FOR
THE POLICE.
THAT MODEL WORKS ACROSS OUR
COUNTRY.
THERE ARE OTHER MODELS THAT DO
NOT WORK, AND OVERLY AGGRESSIVE
MORE MILITARIZED MODEL.
DONALD TRUMP RECENTLY SAID WE
NEED TO DO MORE STOP AND FRISK
AROUND THE COUNTRY.
THAT WOULD BE A BIG MISTAKE
BECAUSE IT POLARIZES THE
RELATIONSHIP TWEEN THE POLICE
AND THE COMMUNITY.
HERE IS WHAT WE WILL DO, FOCUS
ON COMMUNITY POLICING.
WE'LL FOCUS ON A COMPREHENSIVE
MENTAL HEALTH REFORM PACKAGE
THAT HILLARY CLINTON WORKED ON
WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT
PROFESSIONALS, AND FIGHT THE
SCOURGE OF GUN VIOLENCE IN THE
UNITED STATES.
I AM A GUN OWNER.
I AM A STRONG SECOND AMENDMENT
SUPPORTER.
WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA,
THERE WAS A HORRIBLE SHOOTING AT
I AM A GUN OWNER.
VIRGINIA TECH, AND WE LEARNED
THROUGH THAT PAINFUL SITUATION
THAT GAPS IN THE BACKGROUND
RECORD CHECK SYSTEM SHOULD HAVE
BEEN CLOSED AND COULD HAVE
PREVENTED THAT CRIME.
WE ARE GOING TO WORK TO DO
THINGS I CLOSE BACKGROUND RECORD
CHECKS.
IF WE DO, WE WILL NOT HAVE THE
TRAGEDY WE DID.
ONE OF THOSE KILLED IT AT
VIRGINIA TECH WAS A 70
PLUS-YEAR-OLD ROMANIAN HOLOCAUST
SURVIVOR WHO HAD SURVIVED THE
HOLOCAUST, SURVIVED THE SOVIET
UNION TAKEOVER OF HIS COUNTRY,
BUT THEN, HE WAS A VISITING
PROFESSOR AT VIRGINIA TECH, AND
COULD NOT SURVIVE THE SCOURGE OF
GUN VIOLENCE.
WE CAN SUPPORT THE SECOND
AMENDMENT AND DO THINGS LIKE
THAT GROUND CHECK TO MAKE US
SAFER AND POLICE SAFER, TOO.
GOV. PENCE: MY UNCLE WAS A COP,
CAREER COP.
ON THE BEACH IN DOWNTOWN
CHICAGO.
HE WAS MY HERO WHEN I GREW UP.
MY THREE BROTHERS AND I WOULD
MARVEL AT MY UNCLE WHEN HE WOULD
COME OUT IN HIS UNIFORM, SIDEARM
AT HIS SIDE.
POLICE OFFICERS ARE THE BEST OF
US, AND MEN AND WOMEN, WHITE,
AFRICAN-AMERICAN, ASIAN, LATINO,
HISPANIC, THEY PUT THEIR LIVES
ON THE LINE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
LET ME SAY, AT THE RISK OF
AGREEING WITH YOU, COMMUNITY
POLICING IS A GREAT IDEA.
IT HAS WORKED IN THE HOOSIER
STATE.
WE FULLY SUPPORT THAT.
DONALD TRUMP AND I WANT TO MAKE
SURE LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS THE
RESOURCES AND TOOLS TO BE ABLE
TO REALLY RESTORE LAW AND ORDER,
AND FOR THE CITIES AND
COMMUNITIES IN THIS NATION.
IT IS PROBABLY WHY THE 330,000
MEMBERS OF THE POLICE ENDORSE
DONALD TRUMP AS THE NEXT
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA BECAUSE THEY SEE HIS
COMMITMENT TO HIM, TO LAW -- TO
THEM, TO LAW AND ORDER.
THEY HEAR THE BAD MOUTHING THAT
COMES FROM PEOPLE THAT SEIZE
UPON TRAGEDY AS A REASON TO USE
A BROAD BRUSH TO ACCUSE LAW
ENFORCEMENT OF IMPLICIT BIAS OR
INSTITUTIONAL RACISM.
THAT REALLY HAS GOT TO STOP.
WHEN AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN POLICE
OFFICER IN CHARLOTTE, AND
ALL-STAR FOOTBALL PLAYER WHO
WENT TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY,
FOLLOWED HIS DAD INTO LAW
ENFORCEMENT, JOINED THE FORCE IN
CHARLOTTE IN 2014, WAS INVOLVED
IN A POLICE ACTION SHOOTING THAT
CLAIMED THE LIFE OF KEITH LAMONT
SCOTT, IT WAS A TRAGEDY.
WE MOURN WITH THOSE WHO MOURN,
WE GRIEVE WITH THOSE WHO GRIEVE,
AND WE ARE SADDENED AT THE LOSS
OF LIFE.
HILLARY CLINTON ACTUALLY
REFERRED TO THAT MOMENT AS AN
EXAMPLE OF IMPLICIT BIAS IN THE
POLICE FORCE, WHERE SHE WAS
ASKED A WEEK AGO, WHETHER THERE
WAS IMPLICIT BIAS IN LAW
ENFORCEMENT, SHOULD CORRECTLY
ANSWER WAS THAT THERE IS
IMPLICIT BIAS AND EVERYONE IN
THE UNITED STATES I JUST THINK
WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO IS STOP
SEIZING ON THESE MOMENTS OF
TRAGEDY.
WE ASSURE THE PUBLIC WE HAVE A
FULL AND COMPLETE AND
TRANSPARENT INVESTIGATION
WHENEVER THERE IS A LOSS OF LIFE
BECAUSE OF POLICE ACTION, BUT
SENATOR, PLEASE, ENOUGH OF THIS
SEEKING EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO
DEMEAN LAW ENFORCEMENT PROBABLY
BY MAKING ACCUSATION OF IMPLICIT
BIAS EVERY TIME TRAGEDY OCCURS.
SEN. KAINE: PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE
AFRAID TO BRING UP ISSUES OF
BIAS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
GOV. PENCE: I AM NOT AFRAID TO
BRING THAT UP.
SEN. KAINE: IF YOU ARE AFRAID TO
HAVE THE DISCUSSION, YOU WILL
NEVER SOLVE IT.
THIS IS A HEARTBREAKING EXAMPLE.
PHILANDO CASTILE, WHO WAS KILLED
IN ST. PAUL, WHO WAS A WORKER, A
VALUED WORKER IN A LOCAL SCHOOL,
HE WAS KILLED FOR NO OTHER
REASON, IN AN INCIDENT THAT WILL
BE DISCUSSED AND INVESTIGATED.
WHEN FOLKS WENT AND EXPLORED
THIS SITUATION, WHAT THEY FOUND
WAS THAT PHILANDO CASTILE, THEY
CALLED HIM MR. ROGERS WITH
DREADLOCKS.
KIDS LOVE HIM.
HE HAD BEEN STOPPED BY POLICE 40
OR 50 TIMES BEFORE THAT FATAL
INCIDENT.
IF YOU LOOK AT UNSTINTING IN
THIS -- AT SENTENCING IN THIS
COUNTRY, AFRICAN AMERICANS GET
SENTENCED FOR CRIMES THAT VERY
DIFFERENT RATES.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, THOSE WHO
SAY WE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
BRING UP AND TALK ABOUT BIAS IN
THE SYSTEM WILL NEVER SOLVE THE
PROBLEM.
GOV. PENCE: WHEN
AFRICAN-AMERICAN POLICE OFFICERS
INVOLVED IN A POLICE ACTION
SHOOTING INVOLVING AN
AFRICAN-AMERICAN, WHY WOULD
HILLARY CLINTON ACCUSE THAT
AFRICAN-AMERICAN --
SEN. KAINE: I CANNOT BELIEVE
YOU'RE DEFENDING THE POSITION
THERE IS NO BIAS --
ELAINE: I HAVE A QUESTION ON
THAT POINT.
YOUR FELLOW REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR,
SENATOR TIM SCOTT, WHO IS
AFRICAN-AMERICAN, RECENTLY SPOKE
ON THE SENATE FLOOR.
HE SAID HE WAS TOPS SEVEN TIMES
BY LAW ENFORCEMENT IN ONE YEAR.
HE SAID, "I HAVE FELT THE ANGER,
FRUSTRATION, SADNESS, AND THE
HUMILIATION THAT COMES WITH
FEELING LIKE YOU ARE BEING
TARGETED FOR NOTHING MORE THAN
BEING JUST YOURSELF."
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SENATOR
SCOTT ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE.
GOV. PENCE: I HAVE THE DEEPEST
RESPECT FOR SENATOR SCOTT.
HE IS A FRIEND.
I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED TO
ADOPT CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM
NATIONALLY.
I HAD SIGNED CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM IN THE STATE OF INDIANA
SENATE, AND VERY PROUD ABOUT IT.
I WORKED IN CONGRESS ON THE
SECOND CHANCE ACT.
WE HAVE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB
RECOGNIZING AND CORRECTING THE
ERRORS IN THE SYSTEM THAT DO
REFLECT INSTITUTIONAL BIAS IN
CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
BUT WHAT DONALD TRUMP AND I ARE
SAYING IS "LET US NOT HAVE THE
REFLEX OF ASSUMING THE WORST OF
MEN AND WOMEN IN LAW
ENFORCEMENT."
WE BELIEVE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT
IS NOT --
ELAINE: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY --
GOV. PENCE: LAW ENFORCEMENT IN
THIS COUNTRY IS A FORCE FOR
GOOD.
THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR
LIVES ON THE LINE EVERYTHING
WILL DAY.
I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, WHAT WE
NEED TO DO IS ASSERT A STRONGER
LEADERSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL
LEVEL TO USE THE -- TO SUPPORT
LAW ENFORCEMENT.
YOU HEARD SENATOR KAINE WANT TO
STOP STOP AND FRISK.
SEN. KAINE: LET ME --
IF I COULD JUST --
I HAVE HEARD SENATOR SCOTT MAKE
THAT ELOQUENT PLEA.
THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL RESPECT
ISSUE HERE.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TONE.
DONALD TRUMP HAS CALLED MEXICANS
RATE THIS AND PROMOTE -- RAPISTS
AND CRIMINALS.
HE IS CALLED WOMEN DOGS, PIGS,
DISGUSTING.
HE SAID THE JUDGE WAS
UNQUALIFIED TO.
FEDERAL LAWSUIT BECAUSE HIS
PARENTS WERE MEXICAN.
HE WENT AFTER TOM MCCAIN, A POW,
AND SAID HE -- JOHN MCCAIN, AND
THAT HE -- A POW, AND SAID HE
WAS NOT A HERO BECAUSE HE HAD
BEEN CAPTURED.
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SOCIETY
WHERE PEOPLE ARE RESPECTED AND
RESPECT LAWS, YOU CANNOT HAVE
SOMEONE AT THE TOP WHO DEMEANS
EVERY GROUPIE TALKS ABOUT.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT GOVERNOR
PENCE WOULD DEFEND THE INSULT
DRIVEN CAMPAIGN THAT DONALD
TRUMP HAS RUN.
ELAINE: IMMIGRATION.
YOUR RUNNING MATE HAVE BOTH SAID
THAT UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS WHO
HAVE COMMITTED VIOLENT CRIMES
SHOULD BE DEPORTED.
WHAT WOULD YOU TELL THE MILLIONS
OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS WHO
HAVE NOT COMMITTED VIOLENT
CRIMES.
GOVERNOR PENCE.
GOV. PENCE: DONALD TRUMP HAS
MADE A PLAN TO END ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION ONCE AND FOR ALL IN
THIS COUNTRY.
WE HAVE BEEN TALKING IT TO DEATH
FOR 20 YEARS.
HILLARY CLINTON WANT TO CONTINUE
THE POLICY OF OPEN BORDERS,
AMNESTY, CATCH AND RELEASE,
SANCTUARY CITIES, ALL OF THE
THINGS DRIVING WAGES DOWN IN
THIS COUNTRY, SENATOR, AND ALSO
TOO OFTEN, WITH CRIMINAL ALIENS
IN THE COUNTRY, IT IS BRINGING
HEARTBREAK.
DONALD TRUMP HAS A PLAN THAT HE
LAID OUT IN ARIZONA THAT WILL
DEAL SYSTEMATICALLY WITH ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION, AND IT IS PROBABLY
WHY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN
HISTORY IN IMMIGRATION AND
CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, THEIR UNION
ENDORSED DONALD TRUMP AS THE
NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY
NEED HELP TO ENFORCE THE LAWS OF
THIS COUNTRY.
ALL TRUMP HAS -- DONALD TRUMP
HAD LAID OUT A PLAN.
AS WE HAVE A CONGRESS ALL THAT,
WHICH WILL STRENGTHEN OUR
ECONOMY, STRENGTHEN THE RULE OF
LAW IN OUR ECONOMY AND MAKE OUR
COUNTRY SAFER, THEN, WE WILL
DEAL WITH THOSE THAT REMAIN.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU.
I WAS LISTENING TO THE AVALANCHE
OF INSULT COMING OUT OF SENATOR
KAINE A MINUTE AGO.
HE SAYS --
SEN. KAINE: I APOLOGIZE.
IT IS YOUR TWO MINUTES.
GOV. PENCE: HE SAID IT IS AN
INSULT DRIVEN CAMPAIGN.
DID YOU ALL JUST HEAR THAT
QUESTION MARKS OURS IS AN INSULT
DRIVEN CAMPAIGN?
-- DID YOU ALL JUST HEAR THAT?
OURS IS AN INSULT DRIVEN
CAMPAIGN?
HILLARY CLINTON SAID THAT HALF
OF OUR SUPPORTERS WERE A BASKET
OF DEPLORABLES.
SHE SAID THEY WERE IRREDEEMABLE,
NOT AMERICAN.
IT IS EXTRAORDINARY.
SHE NAILED ONE AFTER ANOTHER "IS
M" ON MILLIONS OF AMERICANS,
WHO BELIEVE WE CAN AND ILLEGAL
THEM -- END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
ONCE AND FOR ALL.
THAT IS SMALL POTATOES COMPARED
TO HILLARY CLINTON.
SHE CALLED HALF OF DONALD TRUMP
SUPPORTERS A BASKET OF
DEPLORABLES.
SEN. KAINE: SHE SAID, I SHOULD
NOT HAVE SAID THAT.
ELAINE: THIS IS SENATOR KAINE'S
TWO MINUTES.
SEN. KAINE: NOW, WE ARE EVEN.
DID DONALD TRUMP APOLOGIZE TO
SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN FOR CALLING
HIM --
DID DONALD TRUMP APOLOGIZE FOR
TAKING AFTER SOMEBODY IN A
PORTER WAR AND MAKING FUN OF HER
WEIGHT -- TWITTER WAR AND MAKING
FUN OF HER WEIGHT?
DID HE APOLOGIZE FOR SAYING THAT
PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS NOT A
CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES.
YOU WILL LOOK IN VAIN FOR DONALD
TRUMP APOLOGIZING.
DONALD TRUMP BELIEVES IN
DEPORTATION NATION.
YOU HAVE GOT TO PICK YOUR
CHOICE.
HILLARY AND I WANT A BIPARTISAN
REFORM THAT WILL KEEP FAMILIES
TOGETHER, SECOND, THAT WILL HELP
FOCUS ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS ON
THOSE WERE VIOLENT, THIRD, THAT
WILL DO MORE BORDER CONTROL, AND
THIRD, WRITE A PATH TO
CITIZENSHIP FOR THOSE WHO PLAY
BY THE RULES AND TAKE CRIMINAL
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
THAT IS OUR PROPOSAL.
DONALD TRUMP PROPOSES TO DEPORT
16 MILLION PEOPLE, 11 MILLION OF
WHOM ARE HERE WITHOUT DOCUMENTS.
THEY WANT TO GET RID OF
BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP.
IF YOU ARE BORN HERE, THEY WANT
TO ELIMINATE THAT, THAT IS
ANOTHER 4.5 MILLION PEOPLE.
THEY WANT TO GO HOUSE TO HOUSE,
SCHOOL TO SCHOOL, BUSINESS TO
BUSINESS, AND KICK OUT 16
MILLION PEOPLE.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT GOVERNOR
PENCE WOULD SIT HERE AND DEFEND
HIS RUNNING MATE'S PLAN THAT WE
SHOULD CREATE A DEPORTATION
FORCE SO THAT THEY WILL ALL BE
GONE.
GOV. PENCE: WE HAVE A
DEPORTATION FORCE.
IT IS CALLED IMMIGRATIONS AND
CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR
HISTORY, THEY ENDORSED DONALD
TRUMP TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES.
SEN. KAINE: YOU LIKE THE 16
MILLION DEPORTATION?
GOV. PENCE: SENATOR, THAT IS
NONSENSE.
THEY HAVE A PLAN FOR OPEN
BORDERS, AMNESTY.
SEN. KAINE: OUR PLAN IS LIKE
RONALD REAGAN'S PLAN FROM 1986.
GOV. PENCE: WE KNOW THE ROUTINE.
IT IS AMNESTY.
YOU HEARD ONE OF THE LAST THINGS
HE MENTIONED IS BORDER SECURITY.
THAT IS HOW WASHINGTON ALWAYS
PLAYS IT.
ELAINE: SENATOR --
SEN. KAINE: GOVERNOR PENCE WAS
AGAINST IT.
GOV. PENCE: A NATION WITHOUT
BORDERS IS NOT A NATION.
DONALD TRUMP IS COMMITTED TO
RESTORING THE BORDERS OF THIS
NATION.
ELAINE: HOW WOULD THESE MILLIONS
OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS
LEAVE?
WOULD THEY BE FORCIBLY REMOVED?
GOV. PENCE: IT BEGINS WITH
BORDER SECURITY.
AFTER WE SECURE THE BORDER, NOT
ONLY BUILD A WALL, BUT BENEATH
THE GROUND AND IN THE AIR, WE DO
INTERNAL ENFORCEMENT.
THE FOCUS HAS TO BE ON CRIMINAL
ALIENS.
WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT
LAW ENFORCEMENT, A CONVERSATION
ABOUT THE VIOLENCE THAT IS THE
SETTING OUR CITIES.
THE REALITY IS, THERE IS
HEARTBREAKING TRAGEDY THAT HAS
STRUCK AMERICAN FAMILIES BECAUSE
PEOPLE WHO CAME INTO THIS
COUNTRY ILLEGALLY ARE NOW
INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL AND REPRISE
AND ACTIVITY, AND WE DO NOT HAVE
THE RESOURCES OR THE WILL TO
DEPORT THEM SYSTEMATICALLY.
DONALD TRUMP SAID WE ARE GOING
TO MOVE THOSE PEOPLE OUT.
PEOPLE HAVE OVERSTAYED THEIR
VISAS.
WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THE LAW
OF THIS COUNTRY AND STRENGTHEN
IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS
ENFORCEMENT WITH MORE RESOURCES
AND PERSONNEL TO BE ABLE TO DO
THAT, AND THEN DONALD TRUMP HAS
MADE IT CLEAR.
ONCE WE HAVE DONE ALL OF THOSE
THINGS, THEN WE ARE GOING TO
REFORM THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM
THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.
SEN. KAINE: I HAVE TO --
GOV. PENCE: THAT IS THE ORDER
YOU SHOULD DO IT.
BORDER SECURITY, REMOVING
CRIMINAL ALIENS, UPHOLDING THE
LAW, AND THEN, SENATOR, I WILL
WORK WITH YOU.
WE WILL WORK TO REFORM THE
IMMIGRATION --
SEN. KAINE: I LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING TOGETHER IN WHATEVER
CAPACITY AS WE SERVE HIM.
I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT HE
IS TRYING TO CHANGE WITH DONALD
TRUMP HAS SAID.
DONALD TRUMP THAT WE ARE
BUILDING A WALL AND WE ARE
DEPORTING EVERYBODY.
HE SAID "THEY WILL ALL BE GONE."
THIS IS ONE OF THESE ONES WHERE
YOU CAN GO TO THE TAPE ON IT AND
SEE WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS SAID.
AND TO ADD TO IT, WE ARE A
NATION OF IMMIGRANTS.
MIKE PENCE AND I ARE BOTH
DISSENTED FROM IMMIGRANT
FAMILIES.
SOME THINGS, MAYBE WORTH A READ
ABOUT THE IRISH WHEN WE CAME IN,
BUT WE ABSORBED, AND MADE OUR
NATION STRONGER.
WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAID MEXICANS
ARE RAPISTS AND CRIMINALS, HE
SAID THE JUDGE WAS UNQUALIFIED
TO HEAR A CASE BECAUSE HIS
PARENTS WERE MEXICAN.
I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW YOU COULD
DEFEND THAT.
ELAINE: GENTLEMEN, I WOULD LIKE
TO SHIFT TO THE THREAT OF
TERRORISM.
DO YOU THINK THE WILL TODAY IS
A SAFER AND MORE DANGEROUS PLACE
THAN IT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO? HAS
THE TERRORIST THREAT INCREASED
OR DECREASED.
SEN. KAINE: IT HAS DECREASED IN
SOME WAYS BECAUSE BIN LADEN IS
DEAD, BECAUSE AN IRANIAN NUCLEAR
WEAPONS PROGRAM HASN'T STOPPED,
-- HAS BEEN STOPPED.
THERE IS NOT 175,000 IN A
DANGEROUS PART OF THE WORLD,
ONLY 15,000, THAT THERE ARE
OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD THAT
ARE CHALLENGING.
TO BEAT TERRORISM, THERE IS ONLY
ONE CANDIDATE WHO CAN DO IT, AND
IT IS HILLARY CLINTON.
SHE WAS A SENATOR FROM NEW YORK
ON 9/11, AT THE WORLD TRADE
CENTER WHEN THEY WERE SEARCHING
FOR VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS.
THAT SEARED ONTO HER THE NEED --
SHE WAS PART OF THE NATIONAL
SECURITY TEAM THAT WIPED OUT BIN
LADEN.
HERE IS HER PLAN TO DEFEAT ISIL.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE OUT THEIR
LEADERS ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
SHE WILL LEAD THE TEAM THAT WILL
GET THE HEAD OF ISIS.
WE HAVE GOT TO DISRUPT THE
FINANCING NETWORKS.
THIRD, DISRUPT THEIR ABILITY TO
RECRUIT ON THE INTERNET, IN
THEIR STATE HAVENS.
FOURTH, WE ALSO HAVE TO WORK
WITH ALLIES TO SHARE
INTELLIGENCE.
THAT IS THE HILLARY CLINTON
PLAN.
SHE HAS GOT THE --
DONALD TRUMP CANNOT START A
TWITTER WAR WITH MISS UNIVERSE
WITHOUT SHOOTING HIMSELF IN THE
FOOT.
HE DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN.
HE SAID "I HAVE A SECRET PLAN,"
AND THEN HE SAID "I KNOW MORE
THAN ALL THE GENERALS ABOUT
ISIL," AND FINALLY HE SAID "I AM
GOING TO FIRE ALL THE GENERALS."
HE DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN.
HE TRASH TALK MILITARY, JOHN
MCCAIN IS NO HERO, THE GENERALS
NEED TO BE FIRED, I KNOW MORE
THAN THEM.
HE WANTS TO THEIR APPLIANCES.
NATO IS OBSOLETE AND THIRD, HE
LOVES DICTATORS.
HE HAS A PERSONAL MOUNT RUSHMORE
OF VLADIMIR PUTIN, KIM JONG-UN,
AND SADDAM HUSSEIN.
HE BELIEVES, DONALD TRUMP
BELIEVES THAT THE WORLD WILL BE
SAFER IF MORE NATIONS HAVE
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
HE SAID SAUDI ARABIA SHOULD GET
THEM, JAPAN SHOULD GET THEM, AND
CORPORATE JET SHOULD GET THEM.
WHEN HE WAS CONFRONTED WITH
THIS, AND TOLD -- AND KOREA
SHOULD GET THEM.
WHEN HE WAS CONFRONTED WITH THIS
, HE SAID "GO AHEAD, FOLKS,
ENJOY YOURSELVES."
I WOULD LIKE GOVERNOR PENCE
ATOMIC WHAT IS SO ENJOYABLE WORK
COMICAL ABOUT NUCLEAR WAR.
GOV. PENCE: THAT HAD A LOT OF
CREATIVE LINES IN IT.
SEN. KAINE: SEE IF YOU CAN
DEFEND ANY OF IT?
GOV. PENCE: I CAN MAKE IT CLEAR
TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AFTER
TRAVELING MILLIONS OF MILES AS
OUR SECRETARY OF STATE AFTER
BEING THE ARCHITECT OF THE
FOREIGN POLICY OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION, AMERICA IS LESS
SAFE TODAY THAT IT WAS THE DAY
THAT BARACK OBAMA BECAME
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY INARGUABLE.
HE WEAKENED AMERICA'S PLACE IN
THE WORLD.
IT IS A LACK OF LEADERSHIP.
I WILL GIVE YOU THAT.
I WAS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. ON
9/11.
I SAW THE CLOUDS OF SMOKE RISE
FROM THE PENTAGON.
SEN. KAINE: I WAS IN VIRGINIA.
GOV. PENCE: I KNOW YOU WERE.
WE LIVED THROUGH THAT DAY AS A
NATION.
IT WAS HEARTBREAKING.
I WANT TO GIVE THIS PRESIDENT,
FOR BRINGING OSAMA BIN LADEN TO
JUSTICE, BUT THE TRUTH IS, HE
LED AL QAEDA.
THE PRIMARY THREAT TODAY IS
ISIS.
BECAUSE HILLARY CLINTON FAILED
TO RENEGOTIATE A FORCES
AGREEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE
ALLOWED SOME AMERICAN COMBAT
TROOPS TO REMAIN IN IRAQ AND
SECURE THE HARD-FOUGHT GAINS OF
THE -- THAT THE AMERICAN SOLDIER
HAS WON, ISIS WAS ABLE TO BE
LITERALLY CONJURED UP OUT OF THE
DESERT AND IT HAS OVERRUN VAST
AREAS.
MY HEART BREAKS FOR THE LIKES OF
LIBERAL -- CORPORAL LEBOWSKI.
HE FOUGHT HARD, THREW SOME OF
THE MOST DIFFICULT DAYS OF
OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM, AND
PAID THE ULTIMATE
SACRIFICE TO SECURE THE NATION.
THAT NATION WAS SECURED IN 2009.
BECAUSE HILLARY CLINTON AND
BARACK OBAMA FAILED TO PROVIDE A
STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT AND
LEAVE SUFFICIENT FORCES, WE ARE
BACK AT WAR.
WE ARE BACK AT WAR IN IRAQ AND
--
I TELL HER WE'RE NEVER GOING TO
FORGET HER SON.
THE SACRIFICES THE AMERICAN
SOLDIER MADE SQUANDERED IN IRAQ
BECAUSE THIS ADMINISTRATION
CREATED A VACUUM IN WHICH ISIS
WAS ABLE TO GROW.
THE DEAL THAT CLINTON INITIATED,
$150 BILLION --
SEN. KAINE: WITHOUT FIRING A
SHOT.
GOV. PENCE: IT DID NOT STOP THE
--
SEN. KAINE: YES, IT DID.
GOV. PENCE: IT GUARANTEED THAT
SOMEDAY, IRAN WOULD BECOME A
POWER.
ELAINE: MR. TRUMP HAS PROPOSED
EXTREME VETTING, BUT THAT DOES
NOT ADDRESS MANY OF THE RECENT
TERRORIST ATTACKS IN THE UNITED
STATES SUCH AS THE ORLANDO
NIGHTCLUB MASSACRE.
THOSE WERE HOMEGROWN.
WHAT SPECIFIC TOOLS WOULD YOU
USE TO PREVENT THOSE KINDS OF
ATTACKS?
GOV. PENCE: I THINK IT IS A
GREAT QUESTION, ELAINE.
IT REALLY DOES BEGIN WITH US
REFORMING OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM
AND PUTTING THE INTEREST,
PARTICULARLY IN THE SAFETY AND
SECURITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,
FIRST.
DONALD TRUMP ONCE EXTREME
VETTING FOR PEOPLE COMING --
WANTS EXTREME VETTING FOR PEOPLE
COMING IN.
DONALD TRUMP AND I ARE COMMITTED
TO SUSPENDING THE SYRIAN REFUGEE
PROGRAM AND PROGRAMS IN
IMMIGRATION AROUND THE WORLD
THAT HAVE BEEN COPPER MICE BY
TERRORISM.
HILLARY CLINTON WANT TO INCREASE
IT.
-- COMPROMISED BY TERRORISM.
GO TO CLINTON WANTS TO EXPAND
IT.
SEN. KAINE: AS OPPOSED TO
VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION BY
BLOCKING PEOPLE FROM COMING IN
BASED ON THEIR --
WE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON
REFUGEE ISSUES AND IMMIGRATION.
HILLARY AND I WANT TO DO
ENFORCEMENT BASED ON "OUR PEOPLE
DANGEROUS?"
THESE GUYS SAY "ALL MEXICANS ARE
BAD."
WITH REGARD TO REFUGEES, WE WANT
TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THEY ARE
DANGEROUS.
DONALD TRUMP SAID "KEEP THEM OUT
IF THEY ARE MUSLIM."
AN APPELLATE COURT WITH THREE
PUBLIC AND JUDGES STRUCK DOWN A
PENCE PLAN AND SAID IT WAS THIS
MAJORITY.
-- IT WAS DISCRIMINATORY.
GOV. PENCE: THERE IS NOT
EVIDENCE THAT ISIS HAD
INFILTRATED THE UNITED STATES.
GERMANY JUST ARRESTED THREE
SYRIAN REFUGEES.
SEN. KAINE: THEY TOLD YOU THERE
IS A RIGHT WAY AND A WRONG WAY
TO DO IT.
GOV. PENCE: IF YOU'RE GOING TO
BE CRITICAL OF ME, THAT IS FAIR
GAME.
AFTER TWO SYRIAN REFUGEES WERE
INVOLVED IN THE ATTACK IN PARIS
THAT IS CALLED "PARIS' 9/11,"
YOU BET I SUSPENDED THAT
PROGRAM.
I STAND BY THAT DECISION.
IF I AM VICE PRESIDENT, WE'RE
GOING TO PUT THE SAFETY OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE FIRST.
SEN. KAINE: HILLARY AND I WILL
DO IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND
VET REFUGEES BASED ON WHETHER
THEY ARE DANGEROUS OR NOT, NOT
DISCRIMINATING BASED ON
WHICH COUNTRY YOU ARE FROM.
GOV. PENCE: THE DIRECTOR OF THE
FBI SAID WE CANNOT KNOW FOR
CERTAIN WHO THESE PEOPLE COMING
ARE.
SEN. KAINE: IF WE DO NOT KNOW,
WE DO NOT LET THEM IN.
GOV. PENCE: IF THE FBI AND
HOMELAND SECURITY SAID WE CANNOT
KNOW FOR CERTAIN, YOU HAVE GOT
TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF THE SAFETY
OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
SEN. KAINE: BY TRASHING ALL
MUSLIMS?
ELAINE: WE HAVE GOT TO TALK
ABOUT THE INTELLIGENCE SURGE.
WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE AND
HOW WOULD THAT HELP IDENTIFY
TERRORISTS WITH NO OPERATIONAL
CONNECTION TO A FOREIGN
TERRORIST ORGANIZATION?
SEN. KAINE: IT IS YOUR
MIKE LEE EXPANDING OUR
INTELLIGENCE POSITIVES BY HIRING
PROFESSIONALS, BUT ALSO, WE HAVE
GOT SOME OF THE BEST INTEL AND
CYBER EMPLOYEES.
IT INVOLVES INCREASING OUR OWN
FORCE, BUT STRIKING GREAT
PARTNERSHIPS WITH SOME OF OUR
CYBER AND INTEL EXPERTS IN THE
PRIVATE SECTOR SO THAT WE CAN BE
CONSISTENT WITH CONSTITUTIONAL
PRINCIPLES, GATHER MORE
INTELLIGENCE.
IT MEANS MAKING STRONGER
ALLIANCES.
YOU SHARE INTELLIGENCE BACK AND
FORTH WITH ALLIES, AND THAT IS
HOW YOU FIND OUT WHO MAY BE
TRYING TO RECRUIT, WHO MAY BE
TRYING TO COME FROM ONE COUNTRY
TO THE NEXT.
ALLIANCES ARE CRITICAL.
THAT IS WHITE DONALD TRUMP'S
CLAIM THAT MADE UP -- THAT IS
WHY DONALD TRUMP CLAIM THAT NATO
IS OBSOLETE --
LOOK, IF YOU PUSH ASIDE YOUR
ALLIANCES, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO
SHARE INTELLIGENCE WITH?
HILLARY CLINTON KNOWS HOW TO
BUILD ALLIANCES.
THAT IS WHAT AN INTELLIGENCE
SURGE MEANS, BETTER SKILL AND
PROSODY, BUT A BETTER ALLIANCE.
ELAINE: I WOULD LIKE TO TALK
ABOUT SYRIA.
GOV. PENCE: I WOULD LIKE TO TALK
ABOUT THE ISSUE.
ELAINE: 30 SECONDS.
GOV. PENCE: DONALD TRUMP JUST
SPOKE ABOUT THE ISSUE THIS WEEK.
WE HAVE GOT TO BRING TOGETHER
THE BEST RESOURCES IN THIS
COUNTRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT CYBER
WARFARE IS THE NEW WARFARE OF
THE ASYMMETRICAL ENEMIES WE FACE
IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I LOOK
FORWARD IF I AM PRIVILEGED TO BE
IN THIS ROLE OF WORKING WITH YOU
IN THE SENATE, TO MAKE SURE WE
RESOURCE THAT EFFORT.
WE HAVE AN INTELLIGENCE SURGE.
I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT IT'S
IMPORTANT IN THIS MOMENT TO
REMEMBER THAT HILLARY CLINTON
HAD A PRIVATE SERVER IN HER HOME
THAT HAD CLASSIFIED INFORMATION
ON IT ABOUT DRONE STRIKES,
E-MAILS FROM THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
WERE ON THERE, HER PRIVATE
SERVER WAS SUBJECT TO BEING
HACKED BY FOREIGN --
ELAINE: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU
ABOUT SYRIA.
YOU HAVE HAD A MINUTE.
SEN. KAINE: THE INVESTIGATION
CONCLUDED THAT NOT ONE
REASONABLE PROSECUTOR WOULD TAKE
ANY ADDITIONAL STEPS.
YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE THAT
THE RIGHTS AND WRONGS OF THIS.
WE HAVE A JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT
DOES THAT.
A REPUBLICAN FBI DIRECTOR
DIRECTOR DID AN INVESTIGATION
AND CONCLUDED --
ELAINE: WE ARE MOVING ON NOW.
100,000 CHILDREN --
GOVERNOR.
GOV. PENCE: THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
FALSE.
SEN. KAINE: THEY DID AN
INVESTIGATION.
THEY CONCLUDED THERE WAS NO
REASONABLE PROSECUTOR WHO WOULD
TAKE IT FURTHER.
ELAINE: SENATOR KAINE, GOVERNOR
PENCE, PLEASE.
I WANT TO TURN NOW TO SYRIA.
100,000 CHILDREN ARE UNDER SIEGE
IN ALEPPO, SYRIA.
BONDS, CLUSTER MUNITIONS,
INCENDIARY WEAPONS ARE BEING
DROPPED ON THEM BY RUSSIAN AND
SYRIAN MILITARY'S.
DOES THE U.S. HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT
CIVILIANS AND PREVENT MASS
CASUALTIES ON THIS SCALE?
GOVERNOR PENCE.
GOV. PENCE: THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA NEEDS TO BEGIN TO
EXERCISE STRONG LEADERSHIP TO
PROTECT THE VULNERABLE CITIZENS
IN OVER 100,000 CHILDREN IN
ALEPPO.
HILLARY CLINTON'S TOP PRIORITY
WHEN SHE BECAME SECRETARY OF
STATE WAS THE RUSSIAN RESET.
AFTER THE RUSSIAN RESET, THE
RUSSIANS INVADED UKRAINE AND
TOOK OVER CRIMEA.
THE SMALL AND BULLYING THE
LEADER OF RUSSIA IS NOW
DICTATING TERMS TO THE UNITED
STATES TO THE POINT WHERE ALL
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH,
JUST WITHDRAWS FROM TALK ABOUT A
CEASE-FIRE WHILE THAT A MERE
PUTIN PUTS A MISSILE DEFENSE IN
SYRIA WHILE HE MARSHALED THE
FORCES AND BEGINS -- LOOK, WE
HAVE GOT TO LEAN INTO THIS WITH
STRONG, BROAD SHOULDERED
AMERICAN LEADERSHIP THAT BEGINS
BY REBUILDING OUR MILITARY.
THE RUSSIANS AND CHINESE HAVE
BEEN MAKING ENORMOUS INVESTMENTS
IN THE MILITARY.
WE HAVE THE SMALLEST MAYBE SINCE
1916.
WE HAVE THE LOWEST NUMBER OF
TROOPS SINCE THE SECOND WORLD
WAR.
WE HAVE GOT TO WORK WITH THE
CONGRESS AND DONALD TRUMP TO
REBUILD OUR MILITARY AND PROJECT
AMERICAN STRENGTH IN THE WORLD.
ABOUT ALEPPO AND SYRIA, I TRULY
DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT AMERICA
OUGHT TO DO IS IMMEDIATELY
ESTABLISH SAFE ZONES SO THAT
FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN CAN MOVE
OUT OF THOSE AREAS, WORK WITH
OUR ARAB PARTNERS REAL-TIME,
RIGHT NOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
THE PROVOCATIONS BY RUSSIA NEED
TO BE MET BY AMERICAN STRENGTH.
IF RUSSIA CONTINUES TO BE
INVOLVED IN THIS BARBARIC ATTACK
ON CIVILIANS IN ALEPPO, THE
U.S. NEEDS TO BE PREPARED TO
STRIKE MILITARY TARGETS OF THE
ASSAD REGIME, TO PREVENT THEM
FROM THIS HUMANITARIAN CRISIS
TAKING PLACE IN ALEPPO.
THERE IS A BROAD RANGE OF OTHER
THINGS WE OUGHT TO DO AS WELL.
WE SHOULD DEPLOY A MISSILE
DEFENSE SHIELD TO THE CZECH
REPUBLIC AND POLAND, WHICH HAD
HILLARY CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA
PULLED BACK ON.
WE HAVE TO HAVE AMERICAN
STRENGTH ON THE WORLD STAGE.
WHEN DONALD TRUMP BECOMES
PRESIDENT, THE RUSSIANS AND
OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD
WILL KNOW THEY ARE DEALING WITH
A STRONG AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
ELAINE: SENATOR?
SEN. KAINE: CONSISTENT WITH THE
U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL
RESOLUTION PASSED WOULD BE A
GOOD IDEA.
HILLARY CLINTON HAS THE WAY TO
STAND UP TO RUSSIA.
DONALD TRUMP AGAIN AND AGAIN HAS
PRAISED VLADIMIR PUTIN.
IT IS CLEAR SHE HAS BUSINESS
DEALINGS WITH RUSSIA AND IS VERY
CONNECTED TO PUTIN.
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGEMENT
TEAM HAD TO BE FIRED A MONTH OR
SO AGO BECAUSE OF THOSE SHADOWY
CONNECTIONS.
GOVERNOR PENCE MADE THE ODD
CLAIM, HE SAID, AND ARGUABLY,
VLADIMIR PUTIN IS A BETTER
LEADER THAN PRESIDENT OBAMA.
VLADIMIR PUTIN HAS RUN HIS
ECONOMY INTO THE GROUND AND HE
PERSECUTORS LGBT FOLKS.
IF YOU DON'T OF THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN DICTATORSHIP AND
LEADERSHIP, THEN YOU GOT TO GO
BACK TO A FIFTH GRADE CIVICS
CLASS.
THAT OFFENDS ME.
GOV. PENCE: THAT OFFENDED ME.
SEN. KAINE: GOVERNOR PENCE JUST
SAID DONALD TRUMP WILL REBUILD
THE MILITARY.
NO HE WON'T.
DONALD TRUMP IS AVOIDING PAYING
TAXES.
THE "NEW YORK TIMES" STORY
SUGGESTED HE DID NOT PAY TAXES
FOR 18 YEARS, STARTING IN 1995.
THOSE YEARS INCLUDED THE YEAR OF
9/11.
ON ON 11, HILLARY CLINTON AND
DONALD TRUMP -- ON 9/11, HILLARY
CLINTON'S AND DONALD TRUMP'S
HOMETOWN WAS ATTACKED.
YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN SIGNED UP TO
FIGHT TERRORISM.
HILLARY CLINTON WENT TO
WASHINGTON TO GET FUNDS TO
REBUILD HER CITY AND PROTECT
FIRST RESPONDERS, BUT DONALD
TRUMP WAS FIGHTING A DIFFERENT
FIGHT, A FIGHT TO AVOID PAYING
TAXES SO HE WOULD NOT SUPPORT
THE FIGHT AGAINST TERROR, HE
WOULD NOT SUPPORT TROOPS.
THIS IS IMPORTANT, ELAINE.
WHEN A GUY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT
WILL NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS, NOT
SUPPORT VETERANS, NOT SUPPORT
TEACHERS, THAT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT.
AND I SAID ABOUT ALEPPO, WE DO
AGREE TO A HUMANITARIAN ZONE
IN NORTHERN SYRIA.
ELAINE: GOVERNOR PENCE, YOU HAD
MENTIONED A NO FLY ZONE.
SPECIFICALLY, HOW WOULD YOU KEEP
THIS SAFE ZONE SAFE?
GOV. PENCE: FIRST OF ALL, DONALD
TRUMP SUPPORTS TROOPS AND OUR
VETERANS.
SEN. KAINE: HE WILL NOT PAY
TAXES.
ELAINE: GENTLEMEN --
SEN. KAINE: THIS IS ABOUT OUR
TROOPS.
GOV. PENCE: I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU
WANT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AND
LET ME BE CLEAR ON THIS
RUSSIANS THING.
WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH IS --
THERE IS AN OLD PROVERB THAT
SAYS THE RUSSIAN BEAR NEVER
DIES, BUT HIBERNATES.
THIS FOREIGN POLICY FROM HILLARY
CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA HAS
AWAKENED A RUSSIAN AGGRESSION
THAT FIRST APPEARED A FEW YEARS
AGO WITH THEIR MOVE INTO GEORGIA
AND CRIMEA AND INTO THE WIDER
MIDDLE EAST.
ALL WE DO NOW IS FULL OF OUR
ARMS AND SAY, "WE ARE NOT HAVING
TALKS ANYMORE."
WE NEED TO MARSHAL THE RESOURCES
OF OUR ALLIES IN THE REGION AND
END THE IMMEDIATE -- WE NEED TO
ACT AND ACT NOW TO GET PEOPLE
OUT OF HARM'S WAY.
ELAINE: EXACTLY HOW WOULD THOSE
SAFE ZONES WORK?
GOV. PENCE: THE SAFE ZONES WOULD
HAVE TO BE, AS THE SENATOR SAID,
THERE IS A FRAMEWORK THAT HAS
BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, BUT THE
UNITED STATES NEEDS TO BE
PREPARED TO WORK WITH OTHERS IN
THE REGION TO CREATE A ROUTE FOR
SAFE PASSAGE, AND TO PROTECT
PEOPLE IN THOSE AREAS, INCLUDING
WITH A NO FLY ZONE.
I SERVED ON THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS
COMMITTEE FOR A DECADE.
TO SEE THE WEAK AND FECKLESS
LEADERSHIP THAT HILLARY CLINTON
WAS THE ARCHITECT OF.
SEN. KAINE: LET ME COME BACK TO
TALK ABOUT --
HE DOES NOT WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT WE STOP THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR
WEAPONS PROGRAM.
HE DOES NOT WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT TAYLOR WAS PART OF THE TEAM
THAT GOT OSAMA BIN LADEN.
-- BIG KNOWLEDGE THAT HILLARY
WAS PART OF THE TEAM THAT -- HE
DOES NOT WANT TO A
CKNOWLEDGE THAT HILLARY
WAS PART OF THE TEAM THAT GOT
OSAMA BIN LADEN.
RONALD REAGAN SAID SOMETHING
INTERESTING ABOUT PROLIFERATION
IN THE 1980'S.
HE SAID THE PROBLEM WITH NUCLEAR
PROLIFERATION IS SOME MANIAC
COULD TRIGGER A CATASTROPHIC
EVENT AND I THINK THAT IS
WHO GOVERNOR PENCE'S RUNNING
MATE IS.
GOV. PENCE: SENATOR, THAT WAS
EVEN BENEATH YOU AND
HILLARY CLINTON.
THAT WAS PRETTY LOW.
RONALD REAGAN ALSO SAID NUCLEAR
WARS SHOULD NEVER BE FOUGHT
BECAUSE IT COULD NEVER BE WON,
AND THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA NEEDS TO MAKE
ADVANCEMENTS IN MODERNIZING.
BUT LET ME GO BACK TO THIS IRAN
THING.
YOU KEEP SAYING THAT HILLARY
CLINTON STARTED THE DEAL WITH
THE IRANIANS, PREVENTED THEM
FROM GETTING A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
THAT IS NOT WHAT ISRAEL THINKS.
SEN. KAINE: YOU CAN GO CHECK.
GOV. PENCE: I KNOW YOU BOYCOTTED
PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU'S
SPEECH.
WHEN I WAS IN CONGRESS, I FOUGHT
HARD ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS WITH
REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT MEMBERS
TO MOVE FORWARD THE TOPIC
SANCTIONS LITERALLY IN THE
HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES.
SEN. KAINE: AND HILLARY CLINTON
USED THEM.
GOV. PENCE: OTHER GOAL WAS
ALWAYS THAT WE WOULD ONLY LIFT
THE SANCTIONS IF IRAN TERMINALLY
RENOUNCED THEIR NUCLEAR
AMBITIONS.
THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO.
AND WHEN THE DEAL'S PERIOD RUNS
OUT, THERE IS NO LIMITATION ON
WEAPONS.
$1.7 BILLION WAS USED IN A
RANSOM PAYMENT.
SEN. KAINE: SIX TIMES TONIGHT I
HAVE SAID TO GOVERNOR PENCE, I
CANNOT DEFEND HOW YOU WOULD
DEFEND YOUR RUNNING MATE'S
POSITION.
AND IN ALL SIX CASES, HE HAS
REFUSED TO DEFEND.
AND YET, HE IS ASKING EVERYBODY
TO VOTE FOR SOMEBODY HE CANNOT
DEFEND.
ELAINE: SENATOR.
I WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY
TO DO THAT.
SEN. KAINE: MORE NATIONS
SHOULD GET NUCLEAR WEAPONS, TRY
TO DEFEND THAT.
GOV. PENCE: HE NEVER SAID THAT.
ELAINE: GENTLEMEN, RUSSIA.
RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN
INVADED UKRAINE AND CRIMEA AND
PROVIDED CRUCIAL MOTEL OR
MILITARY SUPPORT TO THE ASSAD
REGIME.
SENATOR KAINE?
SEN. KAINE: LET'S START WITH NOT
PRAISING VLADIMIR PUTIN AS A
GREAT LEADER.
DONALD TRUMP AND MIKE PENCE HAS
SAID HE IS A GREAT LEADER.
HE HAS BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH
RUSSIA THAT HE REFUSES TO
DISCLOSE.
HILLARY CLINTON HAS GONE TOE TO
TOE WITH RUSSIA.
SHE DID SO AS SECRETARY OF STATE
WITH THE NEW START AGREEMENT TO
REDUCE RUSSIA'S NUCLEAR
STOCKPILE.
SHE WENT TOE TO TOE WITH RUSSIA
AND LAUNCHED PROTESTS WHEN THEY
WENT INTO GEORGIA.
AND WE HAVE DONE THE SAME THING
WITH UKRAINE, BUT WE PUT
PUNISHING ECONOMIC SANCTIONS ON
RUSSIA THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE.
DONALD TRUMP ON THE OTHER HAND,
DID NOT KNOW RUSSIA HAD INVADED
CRIMEA.
HE WAS ON A TELEVISION SHOW A
COUPLE MONTHS BACK AND SAID, "I
GUARANTEE YOU THIS, RUSSIA IS
NOT GOING INTO THE UKRAINE."
HE HAD TO BE REMINDED THAT THEY
HAD GONE INTO CRIMEA A FEW YEARS
BEFORE.
HILLARY CLINTON HAS GONE TOE TO
TOE WITH RUSSIA AND GOT THEM
ENGAGED IN A MEANINGFUL WAY TO
CAP IRAN'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS
PROGRAM AND YET, SHE STOOD UP TO
THEM ON ISSUES SUCH AS SYRIA AND
THE INVASION OF GEORGIA.
YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE THE ABILITY
TO DO THAT AND HILLARY DOES.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IN DONALD
TRUMP YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO
PRAISES VLADIMIR PUTIN ALL THE
TIME.
AMERICA SHOULD REALLY
WONDER ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, WHO
HAS CAMPAIGN TIES TO VLADIMIR
PUTIN, WHO HAD TO BE FIRED FOR
THAT REASON.
WHEN DONALD TRUMP SITS DOWN WITH
VLADIMIR PUTIN, IS IT GOING TO
BE AMERICA'S BOTTOM LINE OR
DONALD TRUMP'S BOTTOM LINE WITH
HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS.
THIS COULD BE SOLVED IF DONALD
TRUMP WAS WILLING TO RELEASE HIS
TAX RETURNS.
AND I KNOW HE IS LAUGHING AT
THIS.
GOV. PENCE: WHAT HAS THAT GOT TO
DO WITH RUSSIA?
SEN. KAINE: EVERY PRESIDENT
SINCE NIXON HAS DONE IT.
ELAINE: SENATOR, YOUR TIME IS
UP.
GOVERNOR.
GOV. PENCE: WELL, THANKS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH
THE INSULT DRIVEN CAMPAIGN ON
THE OTHER SIDE.
SEN. KAINE: I AM JUST SAYING
FACTS ABOUT YOUR RUNNING MATE.
GOV. PENCE: DON'T PUT WORDS IN
MY MOUTH.
MOST OF WHAT YOU SAID IS
COMPLETELY FALSE AND THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW THAT.
ELAINE: SENATOR, PLEASE, THIS IS
GOVERNOR PENCE'S TIME.
GOV. PENCE: THIS IS THE
ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE OF
WASHINGTON D.C. VERSUS
REALITY.
HILLARY CLINTON HER NUMBER ONE
PRIORITY WAS A RESET OF RUSSIA.
THAT RESULTED IN THE
INFILTRATION OF UKRAINE.
THEY MOVED ALL THE WAY INTO
CRIMEA AND TOOK OVER THE CRIMEAN
PENINSULA.
DONALD TRUMP WAS BASICALLY SAID,
IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WHAT
YOU HAVE IN THE RISE OF
AGGRESSIVE RUSSIA, WHICH HAS
INCREASED ITS INFLUENCE IN IRAN,
IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF THIS DEAL,
IS ON A PATHWAY IN THE FEATURE
TO OBTAIN A NUCLEAR -- THE
LEADING STATE SPONSOR OF TERROR
IN THE WORLD IN IRAN NOW HAS A
CLOSER WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH
RUSSIA BECAUSE OF HILLARY
CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA'S
FOREIGN POLICY AND $150 BILLION
AND SANCTIONS BEING LIFTED AND
THEN OF COURSE, SYRIA.
IT IS EXTRAORDINARY.
SYRIA IS IMPLODING.
YOU JUST ASKED ABOUT THE
DISASTER IN ALEPPO.
ISIS IS HEADQUARTERED FROM
RAQQA.
FROM THERE, THEY HAVE
OVERWHELMED VAST AREAS.
YET, SENATOR KAINE STILL SITS
HERE AND SAYS THAT THE FOREIGN
POLICY OF HILLARY CLINTON AND
BARACK OBAMA SOMEHOW MADE THE
WORLD MORE SECURE.
IT REALLY IS ASTONISHING.
THE DAY IRAN RELEASED FOUR
AMERICANS WE DELIVERED $400
MILLION IN CASH AS A RANSOM
PAYMENT FOR AMERICANS HELD IN
TEHRAN.
ELAINE: "PUTIN HAS NO RESPECT
FOR HILLARY CLINTON AND NO
RESPECT FOR OBAMA."
WHAT HE THINK HE WILL RESPECT A
TRUMP-PENCE ADMINISTRATION?
-- WHY THE YOU THINK HE WILL
RESPECT A TRUMP-PENCE
ADMINISTRATION?
GOV. PENCE: STRENGTH.
WE ARE GOING TO REBUILD OUR
MILITARY.
THIS WHOLE PUTIN THING, LOOK,
AMERICA IS STRONGER THAN RUSSIA.
OUR ECONOMY IS 16 TIMES LARGER
THAN THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY.
OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM IS
SUPERIOR TO THE CORRUPT CAPITAL
SYSTEM IN RUSSIA IT EVERY WAY.
WHEN DONALD TRUMP AND I OBSERVED
IN SYRIA AND IRAN AND UKRAINE
THAT THE BULLYING LEADER OF
RUSSIA HAS BEEN STRONGER ON THE
WORLD STAGE THAN THIS
ADMINISTRATION IS STATING FACTS.
THAT IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF
PUTIN.
SEN. KAINE: THIS IS ONE WHERE WE
CAN GO TO THE TABLE ON.
GOVERNOR PENCE SAID, AND
ARGUABLY, VLADIMIR PUTIN IS A
BETTER LEADER THAN PRESIDENT
OBAMA.
GOV. PENCE: THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
INACCURATE.
HE HAS BEEN STRONGER ON THE
WORLD STAGE.
ELAINE: NO, YOU SAID LEADER.
AND I WILL SAY THIS, GOVERNOR.
IF YOU MISTAKE LEADERSHIP FOR
DICTATORSHIP AND CAN'T TELL A
DIFFERENCE --
GOV. PENCE: THIS IS THE GRADE
SCHOOL THING AGAIN.
SEN. KAINE: IF YOU CAN'T TELL
THE DIFFERENCE, YOU SHOULD NOT
BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
AND DONALD TRUMP'S SON
SAYS THEY HAVE ALL THESE
BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH RUSSIA.
AMERICA NEEDS TO WORRY
ABOUT WHETHER DONALD TRUMP WILL
BE WORRYING ABOUT HIS OWN BOTTOM
LINE.
ELAINE: WHAT WENT ON WITH THE
RUSSIAN RESET?
SEN. KAINE: VLADIMIR PUTIN IS A
DICTATOR.
HE IS NOT A LEADER.
ANYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE DOES
NOT KNOW RUSSIAN HISTORY AND
THEY DON'T KNOW VLADIMIR PUTIN.
HILLARY CLINTON KNOWS EXACTLY
WHO THIS GUY IS.
JOHN MCCAIN, I LOOK AT THAT GUY
AND I SEE KGB.
SO, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH HIM?
WE DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH RUSSIA
IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE CAN
COOPERATE.
IT WAS HILLARY CLINTON WHO
WORKED WITH RUSSIA ON THE TREATY
TO REDUCE THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS
STOCKPILE.
IT WAS HILLARY CLINTON WHO
WORKED WITH RUSSIA TO GET THEM
ENGAGED IN A COMMUNITY OF
NATIONS TO STOP THE IRANIAN
NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM WITHOUT
FIRING A SHOT.
SHE IS NOT GOING AROUND PRAISING
VLADIMIR PUTIN AS A GREAT GUY,
BUT SHE KNOWS HOW TO SIT DOWN AT
A TABLE AND NEGOTIATE TOUGH
DEALS.
THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING PART
OF THE WORLD AND WE SHOULD HAVE
A COMMANDER IN CHIEF THAT IS
PREPARED, RATHER THAN SOMEBODY
WHO GOES AROUND PRAISING
VLADIMIR PUTIN.
ELAINE: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK
ABOUT NORTH KOREA AND THE THREAT
OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
NORTH KOREA JUST CONDUCTED
ITS FIFTH AND MOST POWERFUL
NUCLEAR WEAPON TEST.
HOW WOULD YOU STOP THEM FROM
DEVELOPING A NUCLEAR WEAPON
POWERFUL ENOUGH FROM REACHING
THE UNITED STATES?
GOV. PENCE: WE NEED TO MODERNIZE
OUR NUCLEAR FORCES AND WE NEED
AN EFFECTIVE AMERICAN DIPLOMACY
THAT WILL MARSHAL THE RESOURCES
OF NATIONS IN THE ASIAN-PACIFIC
RIM TO PUT PRESSURE ON NORTH
KOREA, TO ABANDON THE NUCLEAR
AMBITIONS.
IT HAS TO REMAIN THE POLICY OF
THE NOTICE STATES OF AMERICA,
THE DEMILITARIZATION OF THE
KOREAN PENINSULA.
WHEN DONALD TRUMP'S PRESIDENT,
WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE
KIND OF POSTURE IN THE WORLD
THAT HAS RUSSIA INVADING CRIMEA
AND UKRAINE, THAT HAS THE
CHINESE BUILDING NEW ISLANDS IN
THE SOUTH CHINA SEA, THAT HAS
LITERALLY THE WORLD, INCLUDING
NORTH KOREA, FLOATING AMERICAN
POWER.
WE WILL GO BACK TO THE DAYS OF
PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.
BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU, ALL OF
THIS TALK ABOUT TAX RETURNS, AND
I GET IT, YOU WANT TO KEEP
BRINGING IT UP, BUT, HILLARY
CLINTON AND HER HUSBAND SET UP A
PRIVATE FOUNDATION CALLED THE
CLINTON FOUNDATION.
WHILE SHE WAS SECRETARY OF
STATE, THE FOUNDATION ACCEPTED
TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM
FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS AND FOREIGN
DONORS
NOW, YOU WILL NEED TO KNOW OUT
THERE, THIS IS BASIC STUFF.
FOR A DONORS AND CERTAINLY,
FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS CANNOT
PARTICIPATE IN THE AMERICAN
POLITICAL PROCESS.
THEY CANNOT MAKE FINANCIAL
CONTRIBUTIONS, BUT THE CLINTONS
FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CREATE A
FOUNDATION WHERE FOREIGN
GOVERNMENTS AND FOR DONORS CAN
DONATE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
AND THEN WE FOUND, THANKS TO THE
GOOD WORK OF THE ASSOCIATED
PRESS, THAT MORE THAN HALF OF
HER PRIVATE MEETINGS WHEN SHE
WAS SECRETARY OF STATE WERE
GIVEN TO MAJOR DONORS OF THE
CLINTON FOUNDATION.
YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THESE
BASELESS RUMORS ABOUT RUSSIA AND
THE HALF REST, HILLARY CLINTON,U
ASKED THE TRUSTWORTHY QUESTION
AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
ELAINE: SENATOR.
GOV. PENCE: THEY ARE LOOKING AT
THE PAY TO PLAY POLITICS SHE
OPERATED WITHIN THE
CLINTON FOUNDATION.
THEY ARE SAYING, ENOUGH IS
ENOUGH.
ELAINE: SENATOR KAINE.
SEN. KAINE: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
THE FOUNDATION AND THEN NORTH
KOREA.
I AM GLAD TO TALK ABOUT THE
FOUNDATION.
IT IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATED
CHARITIES IN THE WORLD.
IT PROVIDES AIDS DRUGS TO ABOUT
11.5 MILLION PEOPLE.
IT HELPS AMERICA DEAL WITH
OPIOID OVERDOSES AND IT GETS
HIGHER RANKINGS FOR ITS CHARITY
THAN THE AMERICAN RED CROSS
DOES.
IT DOES A LOT OF GOOD WORK.
HILLARY CLINTON AS SECRETARY OF
STATE TOOK NO ACTION TO BENEFIT
THE FOUNDATION.
THE STATE DEPARTMENT DID AN
INVESTIGATION AND CONCLUDED THAT
EVERYTHING HILLARY CLINTON DID
AS SECRETARY OF STATE WAS IN THE
INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES.
SO, THE FOUNDATION DOES GOOD
WORK AND HILLARY CLINTON AS
SECRETARY OF STATE ACTED IN THE
INTEREST OF THE NUTS STATES.
-- THE INTEREST OF THE UNITED
STATES.
NOW, LET'S COMPARE THAT WITH THE
TRUMP ORGANIZATION.
THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST COULD
ONLY BE KNOWN IF DONALD TRUMP
WOULD RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS
AND HE HAS REFUSED TO DO IT.
HIS SON HAS SAID THE
ORGANIZATION HAS A LOT OF
BUSINESS DEALINGS IN RUSSIA.
REMEMBER, THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION
IS NOT A NONPROFIT.
IT IS PUTTING MONEY INTO HIS
POCKET AND THE POCKETS OF HIS
CHILDREN, WHERE THE CLINTON
FOUNDATION IS A NONPROFIT AND NO
CLINTON FOUNDATION DRAWS ANY
SALARY.
IN ADDITION, DONALD TRUMP HAS A
FOUNDATION THAT WAS JUST FINED
FOR ILLEGALLY CONTRIBUTING
FOUNDATION DOLLARS TO A
POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.
THEY MADE AN ILLEGAL
CONTRIBUTION AND TRY TO HIDE IT.
THE PERSON THEY DONATED IT TO
WAS THE PERSON WHOSE OFFICE WAS
CHARGED WITH DONATING TO
TRUMP UNIVERSITY.
CLINTON IS DOING WORK IN THE
AMERICAN INTEREST.
ELAINE: GOVERNOR, I WILL GIVE
YOU 30 SECONDS TO RESPOND
BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WANT TO, BUT
I WILL REMIND YOU BOTH, THIS IS
ABOUT NORTH KOREA.
[LAUGHTER]
GOV. PENCE: THANK YOU.
THE TRUMP FOUNDATION IS A
PRIVATE FAMILY FOUNDATION AND
THEY GIVE VIRTUALLY EVERY CENT
TO CHARITABLE CAUSES.
SEN. KAINE: A $20,000 PORTRAIT
OF DONALD TRUMP?
GOV. PENCE: IT HAS BEEN A
PLATFORM FOR THE CLINTONS TO
TRAVEL THE WORLD.
BUT HONESTLY, SENATOR, WE WOULD
KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT IT IF
HILLARY CLINTON WOULD TURN OVER
THAT 33,000 E-MAILS.
ELAINE: SENATOR KAINE.
SENATOR KAINE, IF YOU HAD
INTELLIGENCE THAT NORTH KOREA
WAS ABOUT TO LAUNCH A NUCLEAR
ARMED MISSILE CAPABLE OF
REACHING THE UNITED STATES,
WOULD YOU TAKE PREEMPTIVE
ACTION?
SEN. KAINE: A PRESIDENT SHOULD
TAKE ACTION TO DEFEND THE UNITED
STATES AGAINST IMMINENT
THREATS.
NOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE
WHAT YOUR INTELLIGENCE WAS, HOW
CERTAIN YOU WERE ABOUT THAT
INTELLIGENCE, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE
TO TAKE QUESTION.
YOU ASKED THE QUESTION OF HOW WE
DEAL WITH NORTH KOREA.
ON THE FOREIGN RELATIONS
COMMITTEE WE JUST DID AN
EXTENSIVE SANCTIONS PACKAGE
AGAINST NORTH KOREA AND
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE U.N.
DID VIRTUALLY THE SAME PACKAGE.
OFTEN CHINA WILL USE THEIR VETO
ON THE SECURITY COUNCIL FOR
THAT.
THEY ARE STARTING TO GET WORRIED
ABOUT NORTH KOREA AS WELL.
SO, THEY SUPPORTED BE SANCTIONS
PASSAGE, EVEN WHEN MANY OF THE
SANCTIONS ARE AGAINST CHINESE
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.
SO, WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER WITH
CHINA AND WE NEED TO.
IT IS COMPETITIVE AND ALSO
CHALLENGING AND WE HAVE TO BE
ABLE TO COOPERATE AGAINST NORTH
KOREA.
HILLARY UNDERSTANDS THAT.
SHE WENT FAMOUSLY TO CHINA AND
STOOD UP AT A HUMAN RIGHTS
MEETING AND SAID, AGAINST NORTH
KOREA.
"WOMEN'S
RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS."
SHE WORKED ON MANY IMPORTANT
DIPLOMATIC DEAL WITH CHINA AND
THAT IS WHAT IT WILL TAKE.
THE THING I WOULD WORRY ABOUT A
LITTLE BIT IS DONALD TRUMP OWES
ABOUT $650 MILLION TO BANKS,
INCLUDING THE BANK OF CHINA.
I AM NOT SURE HE COULD STAND UP
SO TOUGH TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
LOANED HIM MONEY.
ELAINE: I WOULD LIKE TO TURN TO
OUR NEXT SEGMENT AND FOCUS ON A
SOCIAL ISSUE.
YOU HAVE BOTH BEEN OPEN ABOUT
THE ROLE THAT STATES HAVE PLAYED
IN YOUR LIVES.
CAN YOU EXPRESS IN DETAIL A TIME
THAT YOU HAVE STRUGGLED TO
BALANCE YOUR PERSONAL FAITH AND
THE PUBLIC POLICY DECISION.
SENATOR KAINE.
SEN. KAINE: THAT IS AN EASY ONE
FOR ME.
I GREW UP WITH A GREAT IRISH
CATHOLIC COUNCIL.
I WAS EDUCATED BY JESUITS.
I WORKED WITH JESUIT
MISSIONARIES IN HONDURAS
NOW NEARLY 35 YEARS AGO AND THEY
WERE THE HEROES OF MY LIFE.
I TRIED IT TO PRACTICE MY
RELIGION IN A VERY DEVOUT WAY.
BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS
NATION, A FIRST AMENDMENT
NATION, WHERE WE DON'T RAISE ANY
RELIGION OVER THE OTHER, THAT
THE DOCTRINES OF ANY ONE
RELIGION SHOULD BE MANDATED FOR
EVERYONE.
HAVING A STRUGGLE IN MY FAITH
LIFE WAS THAT THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH IS AGAINST THE DEATH
PENALTY AND SO AM I.
BUT I WAS THE GOVERNOR OF THE
STATE, AND THE STATE SAYS
THERE WAS A DEATH PENALTY.
SO, I HAD TO GRAPPLE WITH THAT
WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR
AND I WAS ATTACKED PRETTY
STRONGLY BECAUSE OF MY POSITION.
BUT, I LOOKED THE VOTERS OF
VIRGINIA IN THE EYE, AND SAID,
I AM NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY
RELIGIOUS PRACTICE TO GET
ONE VOTE, BUT IT WILL UPHOLD THE
LAW.
AND I WAS ELECTED AND I DID.
IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO ALLOW
EXECUTIONS TO GO FORTH, BUT IN
CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE I DID
NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS A CASE FOR
CLEMENENCY, I TOLD
VIRGINIA VOTERS I WOULD UPHOLD
THE LAW AND I DID.
IT IS DIFFICULT FOR THOSE OF US
WHO HAVE THESE FAITH LIVES, WE
DON'T FEEL WE CAN JUST
SUBSTITUTE OUR VIEWS.
ELAINE: GOVERNOR PENCE.
GOV. PENCE: WELL, IT IS A
WONDERFUL QUESTION IN MY
CHRISTIAN FAITH IS AT THE VERY
HEART OF WHO I AM.
I WAS ALSO RAISED IN A WONDERFUL
FAMILY OF FAITH.
IT WAS CHURCH ON SUNDAY MORNING
AND GRACE BEFORE DINNER.
BUT MY CHRISTIAN FAITH BECAME
REAL FOR ME WHEN I MADE A
PERSONAL DECISION FOR CHRIST
WHEN I WAS A FRESHMAN IN
COLLEGE.
I HAVE TRIED TO LIVE THAT OUT,
HOWEVER IMPERFECTLY, EVERY DAY
OF MY LIFE SINCE.
WITH MY WIFE BY MY SIDE WE
FOLLOWED A CALLING INTO PUBLIC
SERVICE, WHERE WE TRIED TO KEEP
THE FAITH WITH OUR VALUES THAT
WE CHERISH.
AND, WHICH REGARD TO WHEN I
STRUGGLED, I APPRECIATE AND I
HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR
SENATOR KAINE'S SINCERE FAITH.
THAT IS SHARED.
BUT FOR ME, I WOULD TELL YOU FOR
ME, THAT THE SANCTITY OF LIFE
PROCEEDS OUT OF THE BELIF THAT
THE ANCIENT PRINCIPLE OF GOD.
I TRIED TO STAND FOR THE ANCIENT
PRINCIPLE OF THE SANCTITY OF
LIFE.
I AM ALSO VERY PLEASED THAT
INDIANA BECAME THE MOST
PRO-ADOPTION STATE.
BUT WHAT I CANNOT
UNDERSTAND IS HILLARY CLINTON,
HOW SHE CAN SUPPORT A PROCESS
LIKE PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTION.
I KNOW YOU HOLD PRO-LIFE VIEWS
PERSONAL.
AT THE VERY IDEA THAT A CHILD
ALMOST BORN INTO THE WORLD COULD
STILL HAVE THEIR LIFE TAKEN FROM
THEM, I CANNOT CONSCIENCE A
PARTY THAT SUPPORTS THAT.
I KNOW YOU HAVE HISTORICALLY
OPPOSED TAXPAYER FUNDING FOR
ABORTION, BUT HILLARY CLINTON
WANTS TO REPEAL THE
LONG-STANDING PROVISION WHEN WE
SAID WE WOULD NOT USE TAXPAYER
DOLLARS TO FUND ABORTION.
FOR ME, MY FAITH INFORMS MY
LIFE.
FOR ME, IT ALL BEGINS WITH
CHERISHING THE DIGNITY, THE
WORTH, THE VALUE OF ALL HUMAN
LIFE.
SEN. KAINE: ELAINE, THIS
IS A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION.
HILLARY AND I ARE BOTH FROM
RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS.
HER METHODIST CHURCH EXPERIENCE
WAS VERY INFORMATIVE FOR HER AS
A PUBLIC SERVANT.
BUT WE BOTH FEEL YOU SHOULD LIVE
FULLY AND WITH ENTHUSIASM
YOUR FAITH.
BUT, LET'S TALK ABOUT ABORTION
AND CHOICE.
WE SUPPORT ROE VS. WADE.
WE SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHT OF AMERICAN WOMEN TO
CONSULT THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE AND
MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION ABOUT
PREGNANCY.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE TRUST
AMERICAN WOMEN TO DO.
AND WE DON'T THINK THAT WOMEN
SHOULD BE PUNISHED, AS DONALD
TRUMP THEY SHOWED, FOR MAKING
THE DECISION TO HAVE AN
ABORTION.
GOVERNOR PENCE WANTS TO REPEAL
ROE VS. WADE.
HE SAYS HE WANTS TO PUT IT ON
THE ASH HEAP OF
HISTORY.
BEFORE ROE VS. WADE, STATES
COULD PUNISH WOMEN IF THEY MADE
THE CHOICE TO ABOARD A
PREGNANCY.
I THINK YOU SHOULD LIVE YOUR
MORAL VALUES, BUT THE LAST THING
GOVERNMENTS SHOULD DO IS TO HAVE
LAWS THAT WOULD PUNISH WOMEN WHO
MAKE REPRODUCTIVE CHOICES.
THAT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
CLINTON-KAINE TICKET AND THE
TRUMP-PENCE TICKET.
GOV. PENCE: IT IS REALLY NOT.
DONALD TRUMP AND I WOULD NEVER
SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT
WOULD PUNISH WOMEN WHO MADE THE
HEARTBREAKING CHOICE.
SEN. KAINE: THEN, WHY DID HE SAY
THAT?
GOV. PENCE: LOOK, HE IS NOT A
POLISHED POLITICIAN LIKE YOU AND
HILLARY CLINTON.
SEN. KAINE: THERE IS A GREAT
LINE FROM THE GOSPEL.
A PROMISE FROM THE HEART NOW
SPEAKS.
WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS HILLARY
CLINTON SHOULD BE PUNISHED, FOR
THAT MEXICANS ARE RAPISTS AND
CRIMINALS, HE IS SHOWING YOU
WHO HE IS.
GOV. PENCE: SENATOR, WITH THAT
MEXICAN THING AGAIN.
THERE ARE CRIMINAL ALIENS WHO
HAVE COME INTO THIS COUNTRY
ILLEGALLY, WHO ARE PERPETRATING
VIOLENCE.
HE ALSO SAID, AND MANY OF THEM
ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
SEN. KAINE: YOU KEEP LEAVING
THEM OUT OF YOUR QUOTE.
BUT THERE IS A CHOICE HERE, AND
IT IS A CHOICE ON LIFE.
I COULD NOT BE MORE PROUD TO BE
STANDING WITH DONALD TRUMP, WHO
IS STANDING WITH THE RIGHT TO
LIFE.
IT IS A PRINCIPLE THAT UNDER
CAN, AND I VERY GENEROUS ABOUT
THIS BECAUSE IT IS A PRINCIPLE
THAT YOU EMBRACE.
I HAVE APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT
YOU SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT THAT
BANS THE USE FOR TAXPAYER
FUNDING IN THE PAST.
BUT THAT IS NOT HILLARY
CLINTON'S VIEW.
WE CAN COME TOGETHER AS A
NATION.
WE KNOW WE ARE BETTER FOR IT.
LIKE MOTHER TERESA SAID AT THAT
NAME IS PRAYER BREAKFAST.
THERE'S SO MANY FAMILIES AROUND
THE COUNTRY WHO CANNOT HAVE
CHILDREN.
IF WE CAN IMPROVE SO PEOPLE WHO
CANNOT HAVE CHILDREN CAN.
>> WEEKEND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO'S
-- WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO
SUPPORT WOMEN.
WHY DOESN'T IT DONALD TRUMP
TRUST WOMEN TO MAKE THIS CHOICE
FOR THE THEMSELVES?
LIVING OUR LIVES OF FAITH WITH
ENTHUSIASM, CONVINCING EACH
OTHER, DIALOGUING EACH OTHER
ABOUT IMPORTANT ISSUES.
FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES OF MORALITY,
WE SHOULD LET WOMEN MAKE THEIR
OWN CHOICE.
>> SOCIETY CAN BE JUDGED BY HOW
IT DEALS WITH ITS MOST
VULNERABLE.
THE AGED, THE INFIRM.
I CANNOT SAY IT HOW HAPPY I AM
TO BE STANDING WITH A PRO-LIFE
CANDIDATE, AND DONALD TRUMP.
>> SENATOR KAINE, IF YOUR TICKET
WINS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO
TO UNIFIED THE COUNTRY?
SEN. KAINE: THAT MAY BE THE
$64,000 QUESTION.
HILLARY IS RUNNING A CAMPAIGN
ABOUT "STRONGER TOGETHER."
AND DONALD TRUMP, THIS MAN
EXCEPT HE CANNOT DEFEND DONALD
TRUMP.
WE HAVE TO BRING THE COUNTRY
TOGETHER.
HERE'S WHAT WE WILL DO.
HILLARY CLINTON WAS SECRETARY OF
STATE, I SERVED IN THE SENATE.
I TALKED TO REPUBLICAN SENATOR
IS A HAND I'M SURPRISED BY HOW
WELL THEY RESPECT HILLARY
CLINTON.
SHE WAS ON THE ARMED SERVICES
COMMITTEE.
SHE WORKED ACROSS THE AISLE
WOULD YOU AS FIRST LADY TO GET
THE CHIP PROGRAM PAST.
SHE WORKED ACROSS THE AISLE ON
9/11 TO GET HELP BENEFITS FOR
THE FIRST RESPONDERS WHO RAN
INTO THE TOWERS AND PENTAGON.
SHE THE YOU CARE FOR NATIONAL
GUARD MEMBERS INCLUDING FOUR
HOOSIERS IN THE NATIONAL GUARD.
SHE HAS A RECORD OF WORKING
ACROSS THE AISLE.
AS GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA WHAT TO
REPUBLICAN HOUSES, I HAVE GOOD
RELATIONS ACROSS THE EYE.
IT IS FINE TO BE A DEMOCRAT,
REPUBLICAN, OR INDEPENDENT.
AFTER ELECTION DAY, THE GOAL IS
TO WORK TOGETHER.
HILLARY CLINTON HAS A RECORD OF
WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE.
>> GOVERNOR, HOW WILL YOU UNIFY
THE COUNTRY IF YOU WIN?
GOV. PENCE: THANK YOU.
THIS IS A FAMILY -- VERY
CHALLENGING TIME IN THE LIFE OF
OUR COUNTRY.
IT HAS WEEKEND OUR PLACE IN THE
WORLD SINCE THE LEADERSHIP OF
BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY CLINTON
AND IT IS FOLLOWED I AN ECONOMY
THAT IS STIFLED BY AN AVALANCHE
OF TAXES, REGULATION, OBAMACARE,
THE WAR ON COAL, AND TRADE
DEALERS -- TRADE DEALS WHICH
HAVE PUT AMERICANS IN THE BACK
SEAT.
THE BEST WAY WE CAN BRING PEOPLE
TOGETHER IS TO CHANGE IN
WASHINGTON D C.
I SERVED WITH MANY REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS.
MEN IN WOMEN OF GOOD WILL.
THE POTENTIAL IS THERE TO CHANGE
THE DIRECTION OF THIS COUNTRY
BUT IT IS GOING TO TAKE
LEADERSHIP TO DO IT.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO SEE
OUR NATION STANDING TALL ON THE
WORLD STAGE AGAIN.
THEY WANT TO SEE IT SUPPORTING
OUR MILITARY, REBUILDING THE
MILITARY, COMMAND THE RESPECT OF
THE WORLD AND THEY WANT TO SEE
THE AMERICAN ECONOMY OFF TO THE
RACES.
A COMEBACK.
DONALD TRUMP OFF HAS -- DONALD
TRUMP SQUARE HAS BEEN ABOUT
HOLDING, COMING THROUGH
HARDSHIP, FINDING A WAY THROUGH
SMARTS AND INGENUITY AND
RESILIENCE TO GET THROUGH.
WHEN HE BECOMES PRESIDENT THE
UNITED STATES WILL HAVE A
STRONGER AMERICA.
WHEN YOU HEAR HIM SAY HE WANTS
TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN,
WHEN HE DOES THAT I TRULY
BELIEVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL
BE STANDING TALL.
THEY WILL SEE THAT REAL CHANGE
CAN HAPPEN AFTER YEARS OF
TALKING ABOUT IT.
DECADES.
THEY WILL STAND TALL, STAND
TOGETHER, AND WE WILL HAVE THE
KIND OF UNITY THAT HAS BEEN
MISSING FOR SO LONG.
HOST: GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU SO
MUCH.
MY THANKS TO THE CANDIDATES, THE
COMMISSION, INTERVIEW FOR
WATCHING.
TUNA AND SUNDAY FOR THE SECOND
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE AT
WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY IN ST.
LOUIS AND THE FINAL DEBATE AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF LAS VEGAS --
NEVADA LAS VEGAS.
GOOD NIGHT.
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