我正在曼哈顿时代广场的诺基亚剧院 I'm at the Nokia Theater, Times Square, in Manhattan
来到林肯公园的全新专辑发布会 for the CD release of Linkin Park's brand new record.
在九十年代中期 出现了一种叫做“新金属”的全新金属风格 In the mid '90s, the new style of metal that emerged was in fact called "New Metal".
对于我这么一个老金属乐迷来说 For me, as a long time metal fan,
它不带有任何我喜欢的重金属音乐的特点 it didn't have any of the hallmarks that I likeabout heavy metal music.
这些家伙看着不像玩金属的 The guys didn't look like metal guys,
他们短发 穿胯裆裤 they're short hair, they had baggy pants.
他们听着也不怎么像金属 And it didn't really sound like metal.
好像有一点儿嘻哈 又有一点儿金属 It seemed to take a bit of hip hop, and a bit of metal,
还有一点儿电子 and a bit of like electronic.
简直不能忍 I couldn't stand it.
所以这一集的旅程将试图厘清 And so, the journey of this episode is trying to understand
新金属是否属于金属发展史的一部分 whether or not this nu metal even belongs in the story of metal evolution.
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当新金属在九十年代中期兴起时 When nu metal emerged in the mid '90s,
它引入了一种与重金属全然不同的声音和形象 it introduced a dramatically different sound and look to heavy metal.
但它是从哪里来的呢？ But where did nu metal come from?
首先 我要见一见炭疽乐队的吉他手斯科特·伊安 To get started, I'm meeting with Anthrax guitarist Scott Ian,
因为我第一次听到金属和说唱结合 because the first time I heard metal mixed with hip hop
就是当炭疽和全民公敌合作的时候 was when Anthrax joined forces with Public Enemy.
所以我希望斯科特能够透露一些新金属的根源 So I'm hoping Scott would shed some light on the roots of nu metal.
我们是听着嘻哈音乐长大的 We grew up listening to hip hop.
在皇后区和布朗克斯 那是嘻哈音乐的中心 In Queens, and Bronx, we were the epicenter of that
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我在七十年代开始听摇滚的同时就开始听说唱了 I was listening to rap music since the time I was listening to rock music since the '70s.
所以我们和这个星球上我们最喜欢的乐队 So "Bring The Noise" was our way to work together with
合作了《Bring The Noise》这首歌 one of our favorite bands on the planet.
查克·D跟着我的吉他说唱 Chuck D, rapping over my guitar tone
这是我一直在脑海里想象着的声音 something I always heard in my brain.
我的吉他节奏和查克·D的声音简直是天生一对 My rhythm tone and Chuck D's voice were made for each other.
我们做到了 我们成功打开了重金属的边界 And we made that happen, you know, we were able to stretch out our boundaries of heavy metal.
一切是那么地自然 我们决定孤注一掷 It was so organic. We just decided let's really put our balls on the line.
我们知道当时乐界大多数人还没准备好接受这个 and say, "We know a lot of the world is not ready for this yet,
但我们不在乎 我们这么做是为了我们自己 but we don't give a fuck. We're doing this for ourselves."
结果一大帮人马都加入了这股潮流 And most of the world at that time came along for the ride.
《Bring The Noise》之所以如此成功 "Bring The Noise" was so successful
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是因为它并不妥协于两者中的任一派别 because it didn't sacrifice on either of the spectrum.
它非常重 非常激烈 带着层层推进的节拍 It was extremely heavy and thrashy, and it had a really propulsive beat.
毫无疑问 对于金属和说唱的结合 So certainly, Anthrax has did played a major role
炭疽乐队确实发挥了重要作用 in bring metal and hip hop together,
以一种主流化同时又未脱离金属圈的形式 in a mainstream way within the metal community.
他们提出了一种概念 They were the ones who said:
玩金属的不一定非得黑皮裤皮靴 你也可以穿短裤 "Metal guys don't have to wear black jeans and white tenor shoes; you can wear shorts."
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突然之间 你找到了内在自我和这个城市之间的联系 And all of a sudden, you find some kind of connection with your inner and the city itself.
人们总是说“你开创了说唱摇滚或说唱金属” People always say: "You created the rap rock, or rap metal,
所有九十年代的那些狗屎 all that shit that started in the '90s
后来才有了软饼干和Korn 新金属这一流派 诸如此类 Limp Bizkit and Korn, and that whole sound, or whatever, nu metal..."
我说“拜托 我既无功劳也没责任” I'm like: "Man. I can't take credit of blame."
因为我根本不信这一套 Because I don't believe it.
还有很多其他乐队参与其中 There's so many other bands involved.
Faith No More也在做说唱和嘻哈类型的音乐 Faith No More was doing rap and hip hop type of stuff,
从乐队创建的一开始 since the inception of Faith No More.
你们乐队的音乐总带有那么点儿放克音乐的影响 You guys were always playing with that kind of slightly funk influence in the band.
那是怎么来的？ What was that coming from?
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我自己一直喜欢放克音乐和节奏布鲁斯 I always like funk and R&B music myself,
这对于一名贝斯手来说 演奏起来很有意思 I mean, as a bass player, it's kind of a interesting thing to play.
我们想做能够经受住时间的考验的东西 But what we were trying to do was write things and do things that could really stand the test of time.
从第一天起便是如此 即便当时人们没有看到我们所做的 Always from day one, even if people didn't see that at the time, that was always what we're trying to do.
作为一个贝斯手 我总是倾向于强调强拍 And as a bass player, I've always wanted to be forward leaning hard on the downbeat.
传统摇滚乐的贝斯都弹在强拍上 Traditionally speaking, rock basses are on the backbeat.
我一直认为贝斯更像是鼓 是打击乐的一部分 I always thought it more as like, an extra drum that's part of the percussion.
所以我们玩的很多是这种不太常见的节奏 So a lot of things we were doing was playing just these kinda rare rhythm patterns,
听起来有放克的感觉 因为放克音乐有很强的节奏感 I guess this is funky because funky music is rhythm-based, but...
但事实上我们无意将放克节奏融入摇滚乐中 we weren't really trying to be like, bringing funky groove necessarily into rock music.
在那之前 我知道的唯一一个这么做的乐队是齐柏林飞船 The only band I knew at the time that had before that was Led Zeppelin.
那些影响了很多金属音乐人的乐队 比如说齐柏林飞船 We looked at a lot of the bands that had a lot of influence upon a lot of metal artist, like Led Zeppelin.
几乎都具有很强的律动感 Almost all groove oriented.
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速度也是一样的 看看黑色安息日 Same sort of tempo. Look at Black Sabbath.
强烈的律动感很容易打动人 很带感 Groove is just really accessible. Grooves feel really good.
因此在某种意义上 这些不同形式的实验 So in a sense, this experimenting with different forms was
是对那些经典的重顾 revisiting of that.
并且再一次扩大了受众群 And that again, expand the audience.
会有更多的听众进入 只要有能够吸引他们的节奏 There's more people who are gonna get into it if they can get into a rhythmic structure that appeals to them.
说到律动感和重型音乐的融合 When it comes to mixing groove and heaviness,
没有哪支九十年代的乐队比暴力反抗体制更好地平衡两者 no band struck this balance better in the '90s than Rage Against The Machine,
尤其是乐队吉他手汤姆·莫雷洛开创性的演奏方式 which feature the innovative approach of Rage guitarist Tom Morello.
暴力反抗体制刚起步的时候 When Rage was just starting out,
音乐里的律动节奏元素是启发自哪里？ Where did the inspiration come from to have that groove, rhythmic element in the music?
成就了暴力反抗体制早期那批歌的 What made that early batch of Rage songs
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绝对是这四位音乐人之间擦出的火花 was definitely the chemistry of the four musician that we brought out of each other.
我贡献出的是我对七十年代硬摇滚riff的喜爱 My contribution to that was my love of those huge '70s hard rock riffs
在经过了我对朋克和嘻哈的喜爱的过滤之后 through the filter of my love of punk rock and hip hop.
我开始将这种riff和律动节奏融入到暴力反抗体制的音乐中 So I started to compound these riffs and grooves in the Rage Against The Machine,
作为一个吉他手 我就是乐队的DJ as a guitar player, I was the DJ in the band.
这让我以一种完全不同的方式来考量乐器 That got me thinking about the instrument in an entirely different way.
我仍然喜欢蘭迪·羅斯、埃迪·范·海伦和英格威·玛姆斯汀 Well, I still love Randy Rhoads, Eddie Van Halen and Yngwee Malsteem and that,
但他们已经够多的了 but there's enough of that happening already.
我开始关注自己的演奏的个性 And I started to concentrate on the eccentricities of my playing.
突然一下子我听到了某种 And all of a sudden, we started to hear something that
以前从未听到过的声音 we hadn't heard before.
暴力反抗体制是排行榜冠军乐队中的一个另类 Rage was actually out there as a unique band that was on top of the charts.
他们以一种富有美感的、与众不同的方式将不同元素融合在一起 they mix things up quite beautifully, and distinctively.
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而潘多拉也是连接新金属的一条桥梁 But Pantera is not a bad bridge to nu metal either.
喜欢潘多拉的人可以毫无困难地接受新金属 And people who like Pantera didn't have much difficulty getting over to nu metal.
潘多拉是九十年代最重要的乐队之一 Pantera was one of the most important metal bands of the '90s,
但实际上他们的风格无法归类 and yet they're virtually impossible to categorize.
有人称之为“激流金属” 有人称之为“律动金属” Some call them "thrash", others call them "groove metal".
但有一点是肯定的 But one thing is for sure,
他们将一种新型的节奏律动riff引入到了重金属音乐中 they introduce the style of riffing that added a new rhythmic dynamic to metal music.
八十年代是重金属的时代 The late '80s is right in heavy metal songs,
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很多乐队会把“黄金乐段”保留到歌曲的结尾 a lot of band would save the "money riff" for the end,
或者放在中间 or for the middle, or whatever...
但我们看到“黄金乐段”最能引爆观众热情 But we saw that the "money riff" move people,
那干嘛不把该死的整首歌都做成“黄金乐段”？ so it's like, "Why not make the whole damn song the 'money riff'"?
任何一段引爆现场的riff You know, any riff that moved the people...
都太有感染力了 以致于你不想演奏一开始就跳进疯狂的人群里 It was like, too infectious not to jump into that fracas with the people once we started playing.
我认为潘多拉之所以伟大 I think what makes Pantera so great is that
是因为他们有勾人的、律动感强烈、直击人心的riff they had hooks, they had groovy, instantly humble riffs.
他们在极端和易打动人之间找到了平衡点 So it's finding this fine line between extremity and hookyness and accessibility;
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这只有极少数乐队能够做到 that very few bands can manage to do.
潘多拉完全就是“我和你们一样都是歌迷” And Pantera were all about like, "We are fans just as much as you guys are fans", you know.
他们总是会和乐迷们一起狂欢 That was the whole thing, like they were always partying with fans.
他们的唱片的整体感觉是建立在重复段的基础上的 The feel of their records was based around the riff.
一种不同于其他金属乐队的、具有强烈律动感的演奏方式 And they played with the groove that none of the metal bands were playing with.
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就像是德克萨斯摇摆和激流金属的结合体 They played, you know, it's like Texas swing meets thrash metal.
他们非常重视观众的反应 So there's a lot of emphasis on how the crowd would react.
实践出真知 我们已经是身经百战了 The proof is in the pudding, you know, we giged so much
一切都在于对观众的态度以及和观众之间的纽带 and it was all about attitude and the bond with the audience, you know.
这就是我们的特别之处 And that's what were special about us.
到了九十年代初 By the early '90s,
律动感和重型音乐的结合 combining groove and heaviness in metal music
已经被普遍接受 was well established.
但这些乐队仍然不能称为“新金属”乐队 But still, these bands were not called "nu metal".
所以问题仍然存在 So the question still remains:
新金属这一分支究竟是何时诞生的？ When was the nu metal sub-genre actually born?
谁是第一支新金属乐队？ And who is the first true nu metal band?
像Faith No More、暴力反抗体制、潘多拉这批乐队 Bands like Faith No More, Rage Against The Machine and Pantera
在九十年代开创了一种充满节奏律动感的重金属 pioneered the groove-based sound in metal music back in the early '90s.
但是第一支被归功为新金属风格开创者的乐队 But the first band credited with actually creating the nu metal style was
是Korn Korn.
所以我要见一见Korn的主唱乔纳森·戴维斯 So I'm meeting with Korn vocalist Jonathan Davis,
探索一下乐队的背景 to explore the band's background
以及他们是如何塑造出他们的音乐的 and how it shape their music.
首先我想问你 Yeah, I want to start by asking you,
你会如何描述贝克斯菲尔德在你成长过程中的影响 how would you describe Bakersfield the time when you were growing up
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以及这种影响是如何渗透入你的音乐创作中的？ and how you think that kinda fed into the music you went on to make?
这座城市本身真的对我的影响非常大 It really had a big impact on me the town itself
因为印象中到处都是油田和农场 because it's kinda bearing the parts, there's a lot of oil field, farms
在飙车和听歌的时候这些画面深深映在脑海里 during the dirt bike riding or music, that was basically it.
那时候的贝克斯菲尔德被称作西部纳什维尔 乡村音乐盛行 At the time, because it was considered Nashville West, there's a lot of country music going on,
巴克·欧文斯 《Hee Haw》之类的玩意儿 Buck Owens, Hee Haw, that kind of stuff.
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但让我喜欢上重金属音乐的乐队是潘多拉 But the band that got me into liking metal music was Pantera
因为那种律动感是无法抗拒的 because those grooves were undeniable,
驱使你站起身跟着节拍使劲摇摆 made you wanna move to something when get up by your seat and rock out.
那些最大牌的乐队 例如Faith No More But think the biggest bands like Faith No More
他们让你知道你可以做一些不一样的东西 they shows that you can do something different
不同于传统重金属的金属音乐 in heavy music that wasn't traditional metal.
你的演唱方式十分与众不同 In regard to your vocal approach, you're very different than a lot of other vocalists.
那是百分之百来发自内心的声音 I just was coming out what was coming out of my heart 100%.
我张嘴就唱 并没有试图模仿任何人 我只想弄明白我自己 I just opened my mouth and sang, I wasn't trying to emulate anybody else. I just trying to come in figure myself out really.
我听过的所有不同类型的音乐混合为一体 就形成了我自己的风格 And I kinda fell in my own style from all the different kinds of music I listened to, all mixed into one.
那么 你在歌词创作上的影响 So, were your lyrical influences
主要来自个人经历吗？ primarily coming from a personal place then?
是的 从我个人立场出发 我不得不发泄出来的东西 Yeah, coming straight from personal standpoint stuff that I had to get out.
Korn吸引青少年的另一点是他们很真实 That's another thing that just really attracted kids to Korn it's the realism.
他们听起来从来就不像个成年人 They never heard like a grown man, just
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在唱片里像那样哭喊着发泄情绪 crying on the record and putting his emotion out there like that.
简直令人难以置信 It was like, it was unbelievable
乔纳森·戴维斯有一种很有意思的唱腔 像是在嘀咕 Jonathan Davis had this interesting way of kinda like, whispering,
他把声音拉得很低很低 you know, he would bring his voice down really really low,
会让你以为他是在精神病院里 making you think he's in like a mental institution.
你似乎能看穿他的头脑 that you're seeing inside of his own head
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在他喃喃低语的时候 when he would offer these really whispering little discussions.
然后突如其来的爆发 And then to actually explode
会将整首歌带向另一个情绪高潮 would take those songs to a whole another emotional level.
他就像是在通过写歌来为自己做心理治疗 He were just making music and creating these songs and lyrics as therapy for himself.
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这也使得听众得以把自己与音乐联系在一起 And so other people, you know, felt that's what the connection to the music,
因此乐队得以进入主流视野 and so the band connected all the mainstream level
因为它虽然是另类音乐 但却是很个人化的表达 because it was unique music, but it was also very personal.
Korn的首张专辑对金属乐还有什么令人激动的新贡献吗？ Is there anything else Korn did that was new and exciting for metal, with that first record?
Korn和同类型的乐队将吉他音高降低到前所未有的标准 Korn and bands of their ilk basically took guitars and down tuned them to previously unheard-of levels.
带来一种厚重的音色 And you know, that's what gives the heavy sound,
使声音听起来更浑厚、低沉、充满律动感 that's what gives this thick, heavy, groovy kind of sound.
所以在我看来 降音定弦是新金属乐队的一大特征 So, you know the down toning to me would be the No.1 characteristic of what makes a band nu metal.
那时候我们所有人都采用降D定弦 All of us were D tuning at that point.
不同的是七弦吉他的引入 The difference was the introduction of the seventh string,
＊七弦吉他：即在普通六弦吉他上面再添加一根调音更低的弦
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我管它叫“泥音” which I call the "mudtone".
它从根本上宣布了蘭迪·羅斯和范·海伦已死 It basically said that Van Halen and Randy Rhoads were dead.
那种尖锐、明亮、极富侵略性的声音已经过时了 That idea of that topping, bright, aggressive thing was over.
取而代之的是罗斯·鲁滨逊的唱片制作技术 And it was the introduction to this Ross Robinson production technique.
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没有高音 全是低音和震音 No top and all about the low, and all about the bump.
你知道 那低音砸下来的那一下 The way the low end hits, you know,
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能撼动你内心的深处 it moves something else in your guts that
是那种直来直去的金属做不到的 straight metal doesn't really have the ability to do.
以前没有人会把金属做得这么低沉 Nobody was doing like, lower music like that.
然后我们还想做得更重、更低沉 And we wanted something heavier and lower,
于是我搞了把五弦贝斯 so I got a five-string bass
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因为多了一根调音更低的弦 cause there's a lower string on it.
有了那根弦 就可以制造出更重的音乐 Like the music could be heavier with lower string.
奇怪的是 我甚至不认为Korn有贝斯手 It's really weird because I don't even think Korn has a bass player.
因为贝斯在乐队里并不是演奏低音部的乐器 而是打击乐器 'Cause it's not really bass, it's a percussion style instrument in the band.
很多时候我只是击弦伴奏 I did a lot of like, just click sounds of rhythms,
最终形成了一种自己的风格 and I think that's what... I guess I ended up developing the style.
Korn通过在该类型的音乐中进行前所未有的声音和器乐的实验 Korn broaden the scope of metal music by experimenting with sound and instrumentation
拓宽了金属音乐的边界 that had never been heard in the genre.
但他们不是唯一一个在九十年代 But they weren't the only California band that
拓宽了金属乐边界的加州乐队 stretch the boundaries of metal in the mid '90s.
所以萨克拉门托是一个重金属流行 So Sacramento was the place where heavy music
也流行嘻哈和其他风格的地方？ was popular, but also hip hop and other stuff?
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是的 它就是一个各种音乐风格的大熔炉 Yes, I mean, that was very...as a melting pot of all kinds of sound, you know,
我们是在街头长大的孩子 We grew up kinda in a... I guess you called it the "hood", or whatever
我们在音乐上的影响根植于很多不同的地方 and our early roots I think musically come from a lot of different places
我们经历了迪斯科 新浪潮的开端 from Disco to, you know, being in the beginning of New Wave music...
有那么多那么棒的音乐和流派 There're so much great music and all these genres,
那为什么不把它们全都好好地利用起来呢？ why not just, you know, utilize with the best of whatever you like and put in it,
但愿能够做到这一点 但也不是刻意这么做 and hopefully be able to do it, so it's not so contrived,
因为我们的表现方式是很自然的 cause the expression was natural.
我们始终在做能让人跟着摇头的riff We always looked at making riffs you can nod your head to it,
带有冲击感的节奏 我认为那是来自早期听的说唱音乐 had beat pulse to it and that's from listening I think that was early rap music.
但我们并非想通过在乐队中加入唱机来加入嘻哈元素 But we didn't think about bringing in the turntable into the band to add a hip hop element to it.
根本不是那样的 It wasn't that at all.
我认为它更多是用于制造环境音效 It was more for a soundscapes, I think.
唱机可以用来制造并处理声音 The turntable can introduce sounds and then approach to sound,
这是传统乐器未必能做到的 that the classic instrument won't necessary be able to do.
但同时总有很多金属乐队 But, at the same time, there are always lots of bands of metal music
没准会拿斧子把唱机给砍了 who would probably take an ax to a turntable.
一旦涉及到重金属 唱机就成了一个很棘手的乐器 The turntable is a tricky instrument when it comes to heavy metal.
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Deftones能够将唱机作为真正的乐器来使用 The Deftones were able to use turntable as a real instrument
我认为这给他们的一些歌曲营造出了新的氛围 however that I think gave new atmosphere to some of their songs.
Deftones和Korn开创了一种 Deftones and Korn created the sound
有助于打破正统重金属音乐的声音 that help shatter some of the orthodoxes of heavy metal music.
但是新金属仍未被视作是一个新的分支流派 But still, nu metal wasn't considered the new sub-genre until
直到巴西激流金属传奇乐队Sepultura Brazilian thrash metal legend Sepultura,
推出了那张开创性的专辑《Roots》 released the groundbreaking album, Roots.
能否描述一下你们在做那张唱片时候的状态？ Can you describe where are you guys were at when you made that record?
我们经常告诫自己 Sepultura的一个信条就是 Well, one thing Sepultura always said to ourselves was the commitment,
Sepultura/Soulfly主唱
无论如何 我们绝不做重复的专辑 we should never repeat the same album no matter what happens.
我们永远不做相似的专辑 We'll never do the same album again.
我们已经做了够多追求速度和技巧的玩意了 And we've already done a lot of the fast stuff,
于是在想我们还能玩什么来拓展我们的音乐 so we thought what else can we do, you know, to develop our sound.
所以我们开始玩节奏 这可真棒 So, we started messing around with rhythms and that was awesome.
"哇这太酷了！就这样继续玩下去” We were like, "Wow, this is really cool, let's keep this going."
我们找到了那种节奏律动 We found those grooves, you know,
原来金属也有律动节奏 非常了不起的律动节奏 like, metal has a groove, man, that's a great groove.
只要你找对了 When you do it right,
那就是致命的、感染力极强的律动节奏 it's killer, it's really contagious groove.
开场曲"Roots Bloody Roosts" The opening track "Roots Bloody Roosts",
就是一首致命的充满律动节奏的曲子 is really total killer groove song.
它简直就是为音乐节量身定制 让五万人上蹦下跳的 It's made for festivals. It's made for 50,000 people jumping up and down.
我至今都喜欢演奏这首歌 这是我最喜欢现场演奏的歌曲之一 That's what I still love to play today. It's one of my favorite songs to play live.
做音乐就得做自己所相信的音乐 Do music, you have to do what you believe in on it.
而我们内心相信最根源的东西 And we believe in the roots, you know, the mentally believe on it.
所以我们在这上面走得更远了 So we just went on further.
麦克斯是这一运动的先锋 Max was basically the guy that spearheaded the movement,
它带领Sepultura走上了新金属的道路 taking Sepultura in a nu metal direction.
如此一来《Roots》这张专辑奠定了这一流派 So the album Roots definitely helped establish the genre
连同Korn和Deftones一道 right along with Korn and Deftones.
当我们听说他们要这么做的时候 我们说“好吧” When we heard them do that, we said, "OK"
Coal Chamber/Devil Driver主唱
“如果Sepultura要追溯他们的根源” "If Sepultura is gonna come from their roots," you know,
“追根朔源做一张《Roots》这样的专辑” excuse the pun, "from their roots to doing an album like Roots",
“那么新金属将席卷整个乐坛” we all said, "OK, the nu metal is gonna blow up."
这就是为什么那时候有那么多的新金属乐队冒了出来 That's why you had so many nu metal bands coming out at that time, I mean.
以超乎我们预料的速度席卷了整个乐坛 They blew up so quick that none of us expected it.
我们迎着这股潮流全速向前冲 We all had our head down and horns out and just kinda driving through the wind.
美国的孩子们已经准备好照单全收 And the American kids were ready to eat that up.
新金属乐队的受众十分多样 The nu metal was engaging multiple audiences.
包括金属乐迷 哥特迷 Those bands were engaging the metal fans, they were engaging the goth fans, you know.
甚至说唱乐迷也囊括其中 And there were some rap fans brought into the fold.
他们的音乐成分扩大了他们的吸引范围 So that musical makeup broaden their appeal
并挖掘出了各种不同的乐迷基础 and they tapped into all those different fan bases.
到九十年代末 By the late '90s,
新金属已被视为一种独一无二的地下音乐运动 nu metal was recognized as an unique, underground movement that
并得到了重金属乐迷 嘻哈乐迷及哥特迷的响应 resonated with heavy metallers, as well as fans of hip hop and goth music.
但究竟新金属是如何从一种草根音乐 But how would nu metal transformed from a grass root sub-genre
摇身一变为横扫美国乐坛的主流音乐运动呢？ to a mainstream movement that swept across America and the rest of the world?
随着九十年代末期软饼干乐队的到来 With the arrival of Limp Bizkit in the late '90s,
新金属的声音开始出现转变 the sound of nu metal started to shift
这些乐队频频出现在MTV台 and bands were now getting heavy rotation on MTV.
但并不是所有玩金属的都走上这一条路 But not everyone in the metal community was on board with this.
许多乐迷 包括我在内 A lot of fans, like myself,
真心不喜欢软饼干做的那种音乐 really didn't like what Limp Bizkit was doing with the sound of the music.
但鉴于他们巨大的主流影响力 But given that they had this massive mainstream impact,
我约见了弗里德·德斯特 因为我想了解一下乐队的志向 I'm meeting with Fred Durst, 'cause I wanna know about the ambitions of the band,
以及他们是如何开始的 and how they got their start.
我曾经有好几年无家可归 特别迷茫 You know, I was homeless for a few years and sort of lost
软饼干乐队主唱
玩玩滑板 录一些很糙的说唱小样 and just skateboarding, and making crappy rap demos and...
我从不认为机会会降临到我头上 I just didn't think anything was ever gonna happen for me.
记得我听说Korn要来城里演出时 But I remember hearing the Korn were coming to town
我就对自己说“机会来了 我要设法把我的带子给他们” and I said, "This is my shot. I gotta give these guys my tape."
演出结束后 他们就那么走到人群中站着 After the show, they just walked out in the crowd and stood there,
然后我们一起喝酒聊天 我说 and we started drinking some beer and hanging and I said,
“来我家吧 我会纹身 我可以免费给你们纹一个” "Come back to my house, I do tattoos, I'll give you a free tattoo."
出于某种原因 他们同意了 And for some reason, they were down with going.
我们当时在杰克逊维尔这个叫Melt Bar的地方演出 You know, we were playing in this place called the Melt Bar and Jacksonville
我想这一天所有人都把这间酒吧当成了自己家 And, I guess this one day, those guys figure that place that was their bar, that's their club,
我记得我们演出然后在后台遇到了弗里德 and I remember us playing and being upstage and I met Fred
他说他是个纹身师 and he said he was a tattoo artist.
于是我给布赖恩·韦尔奇 也就是Head 纹了个纹身在他后腰上 So I tattoo on Head, Brian Welch, his lower back
结果被他们嘲笑至今 and they bust my balls to this day,
因为我纹的明明是“Korn” 他们非要说是“Horn” because you know, it says "Korn", but they say it says "Horn".
他不是一个好纹身师 He wasn't a great tattoo artist.
他骗了我们 Head背上纹的是“Horn”而不是“Korn” He kinda like swindled the way in the tattoo. So, yeah, Head's back says "Horn" instead of "Korn".
我们总是拿这个取笑他 We always teasing about it.
那绝逼不是“Horn” It definitely doesn't say "Horn".
因为“K”中间有一笔 “H”没有 'cause there's one little piece there that makes it a "K", and not an "H".
就这样 我把带子给了他们 And so, I gave them a tape.
Fieldy给我答复的时候我根本没把它当回事儿 You know, I didn't realize how serious it was gonna be when Fieldy responded.
他回复说“哥们 我得找人来听听这个” He responded and he said, "Man, I'm gonna let some people hear this."
然后我就接到了罗斯·鲁滨逊打来的电话 And then I get a call from Ross Robinson,
你知道 这对我来说就是 you know, to me, it was like,
“天啊 是Korn的唱片制作人罗斯 简直不敢相信！” "Wow, Ross produced Korn's record. This is unbelievable. "
软饼干的音乐有什么与众不同的地方？ What was different about that Limp Bizkit sound?
我觉得有种朋克摇滚的自毁倾向在里头 Well, actually I kinda felt there was like a suicidal punk rock thing to it.
弗里德唱的都是些 他的邻居惹毛了他 Fred were singing about things like being pissed off at his neighbor and
他想要在他们的院子里尿一泡 之类的 wanted to pee in their yard and...
你懂的 就是一些青春期的情绪 给你一种想要砸烂点什么的冲动 You know, just really adolescent things that make you wanna like, wreck something.
但他是以说唱的形式呈现的 所以 But obviously he went like, complete rap, so...
那基本上是不属于金属的 it's like an extra thing for metal, basically.
让重金属和嘻哈两个完全不同的世界碰撞到一起 Heavy metal and hip hop, the two worlds colliding together
这是我一直想要实现的 I always kinda wanted it to happen.
甚至在我还小的时候 我会用一个四轨录音机和一堆摇滚唱片 Even growing up, I would take rock records and a 4-track cassette recorder recording
其中一轨录摇滚唱片 然后开始跟着说唱 a rock record on one track and then going and rapping over it.
所以组建了软饼干之后 So when it came to Limp Bizkit,
我当然要继续这个使命 I absolutely went on a mission to making music that was
做结合这两者的音乐 the mixture of those.
按照软饼干来看 新金属的特点是带有硬式吉他riff According to Limp Bizkit, nu metal was gonna be hard riffing,
强烈的律动节奏感 very groove oriented,
和绝对明确的嘻哈演唱风格 and it was gonna have very strict, very specific hip hop delivery.
其他的新金属乐队只是带点嘻哈元素 Other bands had elements of hip hop, making the nu metal bands.
而软饼干从根本上承认了新金属就是关于嘻哈 But Limp Bizkit are basically admitting that nu metal was about hip hop.
这就是对大众的吸引力所在 That was what appeal to that mass audience.
嘻哈说唱结合了金属 The hip hop and rap combined with, you know, the metal stuff.
软饼干乐队吉他手
其实就是将这些听起来特别狠的声音元素结合起来 It was like, let's take all these things that sound violent and combine them all together.
因为这能驱使你想要跟着音乐蹦起来 Because that just does something to you and makes you wanna move, and makes you wanna dance
这是金属不曾做到的 in a way that metal wasn't making happen before.
所以我们不断地进行试验 So we were constantly experimenting.
你在软饼干的的音乐中使用唱机的理念是什么？ What was your philosophy making turntables work in Limp Bizkit?
当他们邀请我加入乐队时 When they asked me to join the band,
我说我可不想干一般DJ干的事 I was like, you know, I don't wanna just do like a regular DJ,
软饼干乐队DJ
搓搓碟什么的 flashes, scratches that everybody's doing, you know.
我的东西必须富有音乐性 My stuff had to be musical.
汤姆·莫雷洛在吉他声音方面的尝试 Definitely Tom Morello was an inspiration as far as how he tries
绝对对我有很大的启发 to make other sounds with his guitar.
我想用唱机来做一些吉他摇滚的东西 I wanted to do more rock guitar things on the turntable.
于是我把唱机接入了音箱 So I ran my turntable through a Marshall stack, you know,
感觉到“对对 就是这样” it was like, "that's it, that's it, right there."
底线是我们得从中得到乐趣 The bottom line was, let's have fun with it,
因为你知道的 很多重金属乐队 because you know, a lot of metal bands were just, you know,
总是一副“我们就得这么绷着 我们就得这么阴暗”的样子 I'm so serious that are always like that, you gotta be just so dark.
而我们也可以玩狠的 玩硬核 玩大量的吉他重复段 And we were like, we can be hard and play hardcore and play riffs,
同时还玩得很开心 and have fun, too.
总得有人出来开一场他妈的派对 Somebody need to come in and start a fucking party.
1998年 By 1998,
软饼干和新金属运动攻占主流乐坛 Limp Bizkit and the nu metal movement was hitting the mainstream
首要推动力是Family Values Tour and the driving force was the Family Values Tour,
这是第一个正式宣称为新金属音乐节的巡回演出 the first tour to be officially marketed as a nu metal festival.
压轴乐队是软饼干和Korn Featuring headliners Limp Bizkit and Korn,
Family Values吸引了近25万观众 Family Values played to nearly 250,000 fans
新金属赶超了grunge和华丽金属 and nu metal was now overtaking grunge and glam
成为最流行的金属分支 as metal's biggest sub-genre.
这是一个巅峰时期 This was a very excessive time.
仿佛八十年代的盛况在九十年代末重新上演 It was like the '80s came back for a little while in the late '90s,
人们厌倦了看小型演出 It was like people are tired of seeing small shows,
他们想看大型演唱会 大舞台和酷炫的灯光效果 they wanna see big shows, they wanna see big stage set, big lights.
Family Values投入了大制作 And Family Values, being a huge production
形成了巨大效应 并且宣布 made a impact, it made a statement:
“这就是当下这个时代的声音” "This is what's happening now", you know.
它让我们以新金属乐队的姿态站出来 It made us stand out as nu metal bands
参加一场新金属巡回演出 on a nu metal tour.
这把火越烧越旺 很快 It just kept building and building, and pretty soon,
我们就可以随心所欲 it was like, we were on our own like
并作为压轴乐队登场 but we could go out and headliner as Limp Bizkit.
Family Values绝对是那根导火索 Family Values was definitely the match that started that fire.
软饼干的商业化程度是否比Deftones或Korn更甚？ To what extend was Limp Bizkit approach more commercial than Deftones or Korn?
我认为软饼干最初的声音和演绎方式并不比Korn商业 I think at first, Limp Bizkit's sound and approach wasn't any more commercial than Korn's,
至少就《三块钱纸钞全给你》这张专辑来说 at least on "Three Dollar Bill, Yall",
而《傲然出众》的横空出世让他们赚得盆满钵满 but when they built from that to Significant Other, they really made the cash grab.
有“Nookie”这样的大热单曲 You had a single like "Nookie", which, for some reason
横扫乐坛 一炮而红 blew under the stratosphere, it was huger than huge.
在主流市场看来 这意味着新金属已经崛起成为超新星 And in the mainstream eyes, that was the sign that nu metal had gone supernova.
那个时候事情已经失去控制 Things were so out of control by that point,
乐迷们迫不及待地照单全收 他们似乎永远得不到满足 the audiences just ate it up, they couldn't get enough.
已经到了荒唐的地步 I mean, it was ridiculous.
我记得我当时是这么想的“天啊 我现在是摇滚明星了” I just remember think : "Oh my god, you know, I am a rock star now."
“我可以和我长久以来崇拜的音乐人面对面” "And I'm meeting musicians that I always admired and
“休·海夫纳不断打电话来叫我去他家” Hugh Hefner keeps calling me to come to his house
休·海夫纳：《花花公子》杂志创刊人
“我成天跟这些名流在一起混 疯了啊” and I'm hanging out with all these playmates, and this is crazy, you know,
“我可得尽情享受这一切” I'm gonna eat it up all I can."
人生得意须尽欢 我并没有想得太长远 I was just living, you know, I wasn't thinking too far ahead.
伍德斯托克1999 Woodstock '99!
这里是1999年伍德斯托克音乐节 宝贝！ This is Woodstock '99, baby!
我们此时此刻在纽约州罗马 距离伍德斯托克原址相当远 We're in Rome, New York now, far from the original Woodstock site.
但可以肯定的是 相比起1969年 But of course, things are a little different in 1999
1999年早已是另一番光景 than they were in 1969.
1999年七月 近五十万乐迷蜂拥而至 In July 1999, nearly 500,000 music fans descended on the small town
纽约州边远地区的小城镇罗马 of Rome, upstate New York,
纪念伍德斯托克三十周年 to commemorate the 30th anniversary of Woodstock.
在为期三天的音乐节的上千名表演者之中 Among the thousands of performers over the 3-day festival,
有暴力反抗体制 Korn和软饼干 were Rage Against The Machine, Korn and Limp Bizkit.
你对那场演出的记忆如何？ What do you memories of that show,
你认为它对这场音乐运动产生了什么样的影响？ and what do you think it did for this movement of heavy music?
好吧 它确实把这场运动推向了高峰 Well, they were really pushing this movement hard, it was like,
这几乎成了一个金属音乐节 只有少数其他类型的艺人 this break out metal festival with a few other artists sprinkled in.
我记得我抵达那里时心想“天啊 快瞧瞧这儿 这可是伍德斯托克！” I remember getting there and just going, "Oh my god, look at this place, this is Woodstock."
“这是多大的荣幸啊！太不可思议了！” "What an honor, how amazing."
这绝对是说唱金属音乐史的高潮 I mean, it was definitely the highlight of rap metal music.
简直疯了！我认为那是我们最棒的一次演出 Trust you, it was crazy. I think it's the greatest show we've ever played,
无论是在过去还是将来 and we're ever gonna play.
在四十万观众面前演出感觉实在是无与伦比 It was just amazing to play in front of 400,000 plus people
他们就在现场感受着我们的一举一动 And they'll all get it, be right there with us, and feel what we were doing.
望着人群跟随音乐上下跳动的感觉很神奇 It was amazing to see people jumping with music
因为你能看到声音在人群中传播的过程 because there were so many people, seeing how the sound traveled,
感受人群跳动产生的人浪 feeling the waves of people jumping.
简直太难以置信了 It was just ridiculous.
1999年伍德斯托克是难忘的 Woodstock '99 was unforgettable.
那是我们职业生涯中最重要的时刻 That was a pretty big moment. They was the biggest moment in our career.
那感觉是如此强烈 It was so intense.
之前从来没有做过那样的事 之后也没有 Never done anything like that before, still haven't.
头天晚上我们震翻了那个地方 所有人都很尽兴 We rocked that place out at first night, and everybody had fun.
第二晚 软饼干惊呆了所有人 The second night, Limp Bizlit fucking freak out everybody.
他们真的做到了 They really did.
你们想看最坏的？ You want the worst?
好 那就给你们最坏的 Well, you got the worst!
独一无二的 The one, the only..
软饼干乐队 Limp Bizkit!
火热的气氛一点就着 到处人山人海 I mean, it was wild on fire, there were people everywhere.
我们最终登台表演是在当天的中间时段 And when we finally went out to play, it was like, the middle of the day.
那是最佳时段 那时候的精力是最旺盛的 And we had by the best slot, to where the energy would be super high.
于是我们就登台表演了 So we just got up and we played our show.
我们登上舞台 目光所及之处是望不到边的人浪 We walked on stage, and it was that wave of people bouncing as far as you could see,
成百上千的人群 hundreds and thousands of people
那是我经历过最不可思议 and it was the most amazing,
最热血沸腾的时刻 adrenaline-pumping moment that I ever experienced.
我兴奋极了 我等不及要开始躁起来了 And I was so amped and ready to rock
于是我们就干了我们该干的 and we just did what we do.
我猜就是在唱《Break Stuff》这首歌的时候 事态开始变得不妙的 But I guess things started to go bad, you know, during our song "Break Stuff".
事情就是这样的 我当时在台上该干嘛干嘛 You know, it is what it is. It was just me doing my thing
期间我看到有人站在胶合板上冲浪 because during performance I saw people surfing on plywood.
我心想“多牛逼啊！太酷了！我也要玩！” I was like, "That's how amazing! How cool is that! I'm gonna go do it."
于是我跳下舞台 进入人群里 So I jumped down off the stage, I got into the crowd,
叫他们把胶合板抬到我这来 tell them to bring the plywood over here,
然后他们把它传了过来 我站了上去 and they surfing it over and I get up on it.
然后我就站在胶合板上开始唱 And I'm just started rocking on the plywood.
“我在和你们一起狂欢 我想在人群里和你们在一起” "You know, I'm partying with you guys, I wanna be here on the crowd with you,
“这太棒了” this is amazing."
我当时完全不知道有什么不好的事发生 I had no idea there was anything negative going on at all.
你有什么毛病？你对我有意见么？ What's your problems? You've got a problem with me?
还是你自己有问题？ You got a problem with yourself?
现在让我们把所有的负能量发泄在这操蛋的一切上面 Let's start to take out that negative energy and put it in the motherfucker now.
我认为他们没听明白我的意思 我是说 I don't think they understood that I meant:
“好吧 让我们摆脱掉一切负能量 这样才能带来正能量” "Ok, let's get rid of all that negativity, so we can bring positive, man."
这表示让我们开始蹦 边蹦边唱 That means start jumping, you know, jumping and singing,
不表示开始强奸和纵火 it doesn't mean start raping and burning the place down.
我绝逼不是这个意思 That's definitely not what I meant.
我只记得我刚下台 我的经纪人就带着几个警察来找我 I remember getting off the stage and having some policemen when my manager come around me.
他说“弗里德 我想你可能刚煽动了一场暴乱” He said, "Fred, I think you kinda started a riot."
“他们开始拆舞台和脚手架” "They started ripping down buildings and the scaffolding
“你站上的的胶合板就是从那拆下来的” and that's the plywood you were surfing on."
那可不是铺休息室走道的 That wasn't from walkways going to the restroom.
他们在到处拆毁东西 有人受伤 They were tearing down things and there's people getting hurt.
我说“我啥也没看到啊 我看到的每个人好像都玩得很嗨” And I go, "I didn't see any of that, everybody I saw was having an amazing time."
当弗里德开始唱《Break Stuff》这首歌 Fred with his like, come up with "Break Stuff" that song
把胶合板弄到台前 事情就是在这个时候发生的 and doing that and just sent it over the top, and that's when all that stuff happened.
有人受伤 有人被打 全都疯了 People hurt, people getting beat up, hit, all these craziness...
是他煽动起了这一切 我看得清清楚楚 He instigated the whole damn thing, I was right there watching it.
这不再是爱与和平的伍德斯托克音乐节 It wasn't a fun Woodstock type love fest.
它转向了暴力和丑恶 这是流行音乐史上最的黑暗时刻 It really turned violent, it turned ugly. It was really a dark moment in music.
弗里德·德斯特本可以停止演出 可他却继续煽风点火 And instead of stopping the show, Fred Durst stoked the flames.
1999年伍德斯托克 为期三天的音乐、爱与和平今天以纵火和暴力收场 Three days of music, peace and love ended with arson and rioting early today at Woodstock '99.
不管是出于什么原因 音乐节观众开始破坏公物 Whatever the reasons, concert goers began destroying property,
放火和暴动 starting fires and rioting.
四处燃起的火堆持续失控燃烧了数小时 Scattered bonfires raged out of control for several hours,
商店被洗劫 灯塔倒塌 vending stores were looted and light towers toppled.
暴力的收场是否给1999年伍德斯托克蒙上了一层阴影？ But was Woodstock '99's fiery end enough to shroud the event in regret?
我只能说 当我在舞台上时 What I can say is, when we were on stage,
我们体验到的是有史以来最棒的音乐现场 our experience was it was the greatest concert of all time.
我万万没想到这一切会指向我 And I had no idea that the thing would be pointed at me
说我是煽动暴乱的那个人 as a guy starting riot.
但我想事到如今 But I guess, you know, till this day
这事儿肯定和软饼干脱不了干系了 it's gonna be something that Limp Bizkit fucked up.
该类型音乐传递的初衷是 This music kinda started with the idea of making powerful music
重型音乐的完整性和统一性 that had message that was about integrity and unity
乐队和观众之间团结一心 and this kind of solidarity between the band and the crowd.
结果却变成了一群暴徒 And it became like, you know, a bunch of thugs,
强奸妇女然后把音乐节烧为平地 raping women in the pit and then burning the festival to the ground.
我们普及了这种类型的音乐 如今玩儿脱了 We popularized the genre which now has just totally run-a-muck.
我不禁想 天啊 我们究竟都干了些什么啊 I just thought, man, this is like, what have we done?
每当我想到伍德斯托克 我就会想起软饼干的这场暴力事件 When I think of Woodstock, I think of that incident with Limp Bizkit.
那儿发生的事就和当年阿尔塔蒙特音乐节如出一辙 The stuff that happened there was kinda like the way Altamont was.
阿尔塔蒙特音乐节：与1969年伍德斯托克音乐节同年举办 以暴力和死亡告终 被称为“最危险的摇滚音乐节”
有了第一届伍德斯托克音乐节的成功先例之后 You know, like, you had the original Woodstock being this amazing music festival
阿尔塔蒙特音乐节象征着六十年代嬉皮文化的终结 and Altamont being the point where like, you know, the '60s culture jump the shark.
也许那就是一切走向衰落的转折点 Maybe that was the turning point where things got out of hand.
该类型音乐现场变得越来越没有节制 That music became excess in spectacle and disrespect to
对观众和同行也越来越不尊重 audience and peers, in a way that you
眼看已经达到了重金属史上最恶劣的顶点 saw at the most awful height that heavy metal met.
弗里德·德斯特这个被塑造出来的恶魔角色 This character Fred Durst, this monster that was created,
开始对我产生了适得其反的效果 you know, it sort of backfired on me.
对软饼干的负面评价没完没了 There was alway negativity thrown at Limp Bizkit
打从一开始就没人希望我们出现在这儿 nobody really wanted us here in the first place, you know.
一开始就没人真正喜欢说唱 没人真正想让金属进入正常视野 Nobody really wanted rap in the first place, and nobody really wanted metal in the normal world.
说唱金属？ So rap metal?
扯淡 Bullshit.
如今金属党不喜欢说金 说唱党不喜欢金属 Now the metal guys don't want it and the rappers don't want the metal, so...
所以我就是最招人嫌的那个咯 I just think that it was, I'm just that guy, I guess
对 我也许就是那个人 Yeah, maybe I'm that guy.
尽管在1999年伍德斯托克之后遭受了重创 Despite the fallout and backlash after Woodstock '99,
新金属运动并没有因此消亡 事实上它还在继续壮大 the nu metal movement didn't die, and in fact, it continued to grow.
它是如此普及以至于连金属老炮之一 And it was so pervasive that even one of metal's biggest band
也投入了新金属的怀抱 embraced the nu metal sound.
给我讲讲《Diabolus in Musica》 Tell me about Diabolus in Musica,
你们在做这张专辑时的方向是什么？ What kind of direction were you guys going in on that record?
Slayer吉他手
我其实没花太多心思在这张专辑上 That's the one record that I really paid not enough attention to
因为我当时正为什么样的音乐流行而苦恼不已 because I was really bitter about what kind of music was popular.
我发现就是些特别中二的玩意儿 I thought it was, was very frat boy stuff,
这也许就是它为什么流行吧 我不知道啊 and maybe that's why it was popular, I don't know.
所以我没有投入特别多的精力在《Diabolus》 So Diabolus didn't get as much attention from me because, you know,
因为我们没有特别重视它 we didn't stay in focus.
Slayer曾一度受到新金属很大的影响 Slayer were very influenced at one point by the power of nu metal.
《Diabolus in Musica》那张专辑新金属味儿很重 The Diabolica album was very nu metal
摄影师
从头到尾充斥了新金属元素 had very nu metal elements throughout.
富于变化的重复段 充满章法的吉他独奏 Carries riffs changed, you know, the solos weren't as chaotic.
所以有人担心Slayer也妥协了 So it was worrisome seeing that Slayer gave in to that,
这可是Slayer啊！ you know, of all bands, Slayer!
激流金属之王也开始往新金属靠拢了 The kings of thrash metal started to sound nu metal.
他们居然还跟Deftones和Korn一起巡演了 You know, they were playing tours with the Deftones and Korn.
我认为他们是想扩大他们的受众群 They played to that crowd I think that had a lot to do with it, they wanted to connect with their audience.
这种新兴地下音乐真的非常讨喜 This new underworld was popular, you know?
还记得我们还小的时候 Kiss投向了迪斯科音乐么？ Remember when Kiss went disco, when we were kids?
你得跟得上时代 Trying to stay up with the times.
回想起来我们当时只是想 Looking back we were just saying,
好吧 我们如何才能让Slayer顺应当前社会？ "Alright, how do we made Slayer fit into today's society?"
但是那大概是我们所有专辑当中我最不喜欢的一张 But, that's probably my least favorite record of our history.
那是我们的《Turbo》 That's our Turbo.
犹大牧师最具争议的专辑 商业上取得了巨大成功 但多数乐迷无法接受其风格上的转变
《Diabolus In Musica》之后 After Diabolus In Musica ,
Slayer在21世纪初又回归了激流金属风格 Slayer return to their thrash metal sound in the early 2000s.
新金属运动似乎开始走向衰落 And it seemed that the nu metal movement was starting to die off.
但很快第二波新金属浪潮的乐队兴起 But then a second wave of bands emerged that were labeled
他们被标榜为新金属乐队 nu metal but broaden the sound
但同时又扩大了这一分支以及重金属这一个整体 of the sub-genre and heavy metal as a whole.
当时的摇滚和金属乐坛整个环境是什么样的？ What was the music and rock and metal climate like at that time?
Disturbed乐队主唱
那是一个非常特别的时期 It was a very unique time because
我们被归类为新金属乐队 we got lumped into the category of nu metal
但我们的风格跟它一点关系也没有 but we never really had any association with that stylistically.
我们从来不说唱 We never rapped.
我们从来没有DJ唱机之类的玩意儿 We never had a DJ or turntable or anything like that.
像Deftones和Korn这些乐队受嘻哈和说唱的影响比较大 Bands like Deftones and Korn had their hip hop and rap influences.
而我更偏向雷鬼音乐 For me, it was much more reggae.
我从不在意我们被归入到什么类别 I never really worried about what the categories were.
我们是不是金属 我们不够金属 或者不够摇滚 诸如此类 "We're metal, we're not metal, we're not metal enough... or rock, whatever."
Disturbed吉他手
这对我来说真不是个事儿 It doesn't really faze me.
很明显我们正好赶上了新金属的兴起 Obviously, we came up at a time where this whole nu metal genre came up
能赶上这趟顺风车 对我们来说也是好事 and it was great for us we were able to ride the wave of that
因为那会儿有好多乐队抓住这个机会冒头 'cause so many bands were getting snatch up at the time.
大众已经听厌了软饼干和Korn The public was like, had enough of Limp Bizkit, had enough of Korn
一大波新兴乐队赶在前面为我们踹开了这扇大门 and it was just like, the whole wave of new bands came through that kicked down the door for us
所以我们没费什么力气就一路蹿红 一口气卖了六百万张 so it wasn't that hard for us to just stampede through and sell 6 million records.
PAPA ROACH主唱
那个时期的音乐产业特别的饥渴 The music industry at that time was very hungry.
那是音乐产业史上销量最好的时期 I mean, the best sales in the history of the music business were during that time.
人们渴望新金属风格的乐队 People were looking for bands that were that nu metal style
但是得更年轻、更新鲜的 but young, new and fresh.
第二波新金属浪潮的乐队不仅扩大了这一流派 The second wave of nu metal bands not only expanded the sound of the genre,
还把新金属推向了更巨大的商业成功 they also pushed nu metal to even higher levels of commercial success.
而将新金属推向了商业巅峰的乐队 And the band that took nu metal to its commercial peak,
是林肯公园 was Linkin Park.
如你所知 接下来最火的乐队就是林肯公园 As you know, I mean, the next big band was Linkin Park.
你对他们的音乐印象如何？ What's your impression of what those guys were doing?
他们将悦耳的旋律和说唱完美的结合 They did this really cool thing where they incorporated melody and singing with a rapper.
达到两全其美的效果 So you had the best of both worlds.
而且他们没那么重 也没那么阴暗 And they weren't too heavy or spooky.
是普罗大众所能够欣赏的 It's stuff that I guess normal folk could palate.
林肯公园的演绎方式相对来说不那么过分极端 For Linkin Park, there wasn't the same degree of over harshness in the approach.
他们更温和一点 属于比较温和的金属 It was a little bit softer, seemed like a little bit more of a gentle metal.
正因如此 他们才有望取得巨大的商业成功 And for that reason, you know, it had incredible commercial viability.
当他们蓄势待发 When they turned it on and they were ready to go,
我想没有哪支乐队蹿红速度比得上林肯公园 I don't recall a band taking off faster than Linkin Park.
从一支在Roxy演出的乐队到打入MTV冠军 It was 10 days from being this band that I knew as a band that played at the Roxy
只花了十天的时间 to seeing them on MTV and being No.1.
纽约
尽管林肯公园作为第二波新金属乐队取得巨大成功 Despite the massive success of Linkin Park in the second wave of nu metal bands,
但是正如八十年代的华丽金属 much like glam metal back in the '80s,
新金属运动最终遗留下来的部分 nu metal's lasting legacy seems to be the way it
再次把金属圈划分为不同的阵营 deeply divided the metal community.
由于我欣赏不来这一风格 And given that I wasn't a fan of this style,
我死活搞不懂新金属究竟为什么会这么火 I'm struggling to understand why nu metal became so popular.
林肯公园粉丝吗？能不能告诉我你为什么喜欢他们？ Linkin Park fans? Can you like me why you like them?
－我们为什么喜欢林肯公园？ －你们为什么喜欢林肯公园？ - Why we like Linkin Park? - Why do you like Linkin Park?
他们是最棒的 我们喜欢摇滚和嘻哈的结合 They're the best. We love the rock and hip hop mixed.
－他们是独创的 －他们非常有独创性 - They're original. - They're very original,
每一张专辑都完全不一样 every album sounds completely different.
我最喜欢他们的一点是 What I like about is that they've always tried to
他们的音乐总是不走传统路线 stay away from the conventional type of music.
他们不属于任何流派 他们自成一派 They don't fit in a genre. They're their own genre.
他们就是林肯公园 They're Linkin Park.
可为什么我就是不喜欢他们？ So how come I didn't like it?
－不是吧！ －我不知道 - Ohhhhh! - I don't know.
各人有各人的喜好吧 Everyone has their own opinions.
回过头来看你曾经参与过的这场音乐运动 Looking back over all this music that you've been a part of,
“新金属”这个词对你来说意味着什么？ What is that term "nu metal" mean to you now?
好吧 我不知道有多少人还在用这个词 Well, I don't know how many people still use the term,
但我为自己曾经是新金属运动的一份子而感到无比自豪 but I'm extremely proud to be part of the nu metal movement.
为我们所取得的一切成就和搞砸的一切都无比自豪 and I'm proud of everything that we have accomplished and everything we've fucked up.
我为我们曾经为这场运动做出过的贡献而自豪 特别自豪 I felt proud that we helped innovate the movement, very proud.
不管现在人们怎么评价它 Who cares whatever they call it, I guess, now.
我只知道我们仍然活跃在这里 该干嘛干嘛 I mean, all I know is we're still here, we're still doing what we're doing.
“新金属教父”这个称号将伴随我们终生 We're gonna called as the "nu metal godfather" for the rest of our damn life.
这是我们必须面对的 So I guess I'm gonna deal with it.
这年头“新金属”已经沦为一个贬义词 但还没殃及到重金属本身 You know, it's a dirty word today but not to the extent of heavy metal.
你知道 很多人会对其嗤之以鼻或者拿它开玩笑 You know, like people will turn their nose up at it and make jokes and stuff
但我认为新金属还是有它的威望在的 but I think nu metal definitely still had some kind of cachet to it
它还没死 and it is still alive
因为那些乐队如今已构成金属的一部分 because those bands they're just so part of the fabric of metal at this point
他们已经不再局限于“新金属” that they're not called "nu metal".
我认为“新金属”这词是被玷污了 I think the term "nu metal" has been kinda poisoned
应该为此感到惭愧 因为这种音乐原本呈现给观众的 and it's kinda ashamed because the types of sounds that were being presented to audiences
是促使他们打破思维 enabled them to open their minds
告诉大家 玩金属不一定非得局限在 and say, metal doesn't have to be rooted in sort of
黑色安息日 Metallica这类型的乐队 Black Sabbath, Metallica arc of accessibility.
也许金属不一定非得是什么样子的 Maybe metal doesn't have to be one thing.
在前往探索新金属之前 Before I set out to explore nu metal,
我曾质疑它是否属于重金属史的一部分 I questioned whether it even belong in the story of heavy metal.
但我发现 尽管“新金属”这词或许已经变味 But I've discovered that although the term "nu metal" may be dead,
但许许多多的乐队仍在继续成长壮大 many of the bands continue to thrive
并为重金属音乐注入了创新活力 and have brought some real innovation to metal music.
因此最终 我意识到新金属对重金属的发展所作出的贡献 So ultimately, I realized that nu metal has made a much bigger contribution to the evolution of heavy metal
要远远超出我的想象 than I ever imagined.