it is my privilege to be here this
索尔金：很荣幸 今晚能与马云先生坐在这里 it is my privilege to be here this
索尔金：很荣幸 今晚能与马云先生坐在这里
evening with Jack Ma one of the great
我们时代的最优秀的企业家之一 evening with Jack Ma one of the great
我们时代的最优秀的企业家之一 entrepreneurs of our time of course the
阿里巴巴的创立者 entrepreneurs of our time of course the
阿里巴巴的创立者 founder of Alibaba and we have so many
接下来的半小时 我们要讨论很多话题 founder of Alibaba and we have so many
接下来的半小时 我们要讨论很多话题 things to talk about
接下来的半小时 我们要讨论很多话题 over the next half an hour and of course
我们也会尽量让观众提问 over the next half an hour and of course
我们也会尽量让观众提问 we also want to try to get to your
我们也会尽量让观众提问 questions as well we're going to talk
并且谈谈阿里巴巴、中国 questions as well we're going to talk
并且谈谈阿里巴巴、中国 about Alibaba of course but also China
并且谈谈阿里巴巴、中国 the Trump world that we all live in
特朗普和美国、全球化与贸易等话题 the Trump world that we all live in
特朗普和美国、全球化与贸易等话题 globalization trade and so many
特朗普和美国、全球化与贸易等话题 other issues but first of all thank you
首先感谢马云先生 other issues but first of all thank you
首先感谢马云先生 my honour this yeah let me
你刚刚到访了特朗普大厦 my honour this yeah let me
你刚刚到访了特朗普大厦 start with this which is to say that you
你刚刚到访了特朗普大厦 just spent some time inside Trump Tower
你刚刚到访了特朗普大厦 and went to go visit with Donald yeah
与候任总统特朗普会面 and went to go visit with Donald yeah
与候任总统特朗普会面 our president-elect in the United States
可否介绍一下这次会面 our president-elect in the United States
可否介绍一下这次会面 tell us about that meeting that's very
马云：这次会面富有成效，比我预期好 tell us about that meeting that's very
马云：这次会面富有成效，比我预期好 productive meeting much better than I
马云：这次会面富有成效，比我预期好 thought
马云：这次会面富有成效，比我预期好 than I expected what did you expect well
索尔思：你有什么预期 than I expected what did you expect well
马云：我和大家一样也听说了很多 than I expected what did you expect well
马云：我和大家一样也听说了很多 I heard a lot and a watch like everybody
看到了很多关于他的新闻 I heard a lot and a watch like everybody
看到了很多关于他的新闻 I watch all the news and heard a lot about
看到了很多关于他的新闻 him so when I go inside and saw mmm
进去之后，感到他心态开放而且乐于倾听我的看法 him so when I go inside and saw mmm
进去之后，感到他心态开放而且乐于倾听我的看法 anything that but he's very sort of
进去之后，感到他心态开放而且乐于倾听我的看法 open minded listen what I talk so I
我对于谈话的成果非常高兴 open minded listen what I talk so I
我对于谈话的成果非常高兴 think I am very happy about results
我对于谈话的成果非常高兴
finally when he said he offered said Jack
他主动提出来要送我下楼 finally when he said he offered said Jack
他主动提出来要送我下楼 let me walk you down so I think he's
我想他对此次会面的成果应该也非常高兴 let me walk you down so I think he's
我想他对此次会面的成果应该也非常高兴 very happy about the results we had can
索尔金：其实是你打给他，还是他打给你 very happy about the results we had can
索尔金：其实是你打给他，还是他打给你 I ask how does that meeting like that
索尔金：其实是你打给他，还是他打给你 happen do you call him does he call you
索尔金：其实是你打给他，还是他打给你 well how does this take place well
这次会面是如何促成的 well how does this take place well
马云：这也是我问自己的问题 well how does this take place well
马云：这也是我问自己的问题 that's that's the question I'm asking
马云：这也是我问自己的问题 myself because some day I got some
有一天，有人问我你想不想与候任总统见面 myself because some day I got some
有一天，有人问我你想不想与候任总统见面 requests from people say Jack do you
有一天，有人问我你想不想与候任总统见面 want a meeting with President-elect I say
我说真的吗，我还没准备好 want a meeting with President-elect I say
我说真的吗，我还没准备好 is that true because I'm not ready
我说真的吗，我还没准备好 for that because I don't know what to
我不知道要谈些什么 for that because I don't know what to
我不知道要谈些什么 talk about and then few days later I got
过了几天，又收到了几次 talk about and then few days later I got
过了几天，又收到了几次 another request I got several requests
过了几天，又收到了几次 and then I saw one email with friend
有个朋友发邮件给我问同一件事情 and then I saw one email with friend
有个朋友发邮件给我问同一件事情 and very sort of specific I
有个朋友发邮件给我问同一件事情 thought about it I think yes maybe I
我想了想也许我应该去谈一谈 thought about it I think yes maybe I
我想了想也许我应该去谈一谈 should go and have a talk and at least I
至少特朗普可能会对我说的东西感到高兴 should go and have a talk and at least I
至少特朗普可能会对我说的东西感到高兴 think President elect Donald trump would
至少特朗普可能会对我说的东西感到高兴 be happy to hear what I want to talk
至少特朗普可能会对我说的东西感到高兴 about so I went and what did
所以我就去了 about so I went and what did
索尔金：你跟他说什么了？？ about so I went and what did
索尔金：你跟他说什么了？？ you tell him talk about the small business
我们谈论了中小企业、农产品、中美贸易 you tell him talk about the small business
我们谈论了中小企业、农产品、中美贸易 talk about agriculture products talk
我们谈论了中小企业、农产品、中美贸易 about the trade between China and the
我们谈论了中小企业、农产品、中美贸易 USA we special focus on Talk telling
特别是聚焦让美国企业通过我们的网络面向亚洲销售 USA we special focus on Talk telling
特别是聚焦让美国企业通过我们的网络面向亚洲销售 about how can we bring this small
特别是聚焦让美国企业通过我们的网络面向亚洲销售 business in America sell them to China
特别是聚焦让美国企业通过我们的网络面向亚洲销售 to Asia through our network which can
而这将为他们创造大量工作机会 to Asia through our network which can
而这将为他们创造大量工作机会 create a lot of jobs for them and you
索尔金：你承诺未来五年为美国创造100万个职位 create a lot of jobs for them and you
索尔金：你承诺未来五年为美国创造100万个职位 committed to create what you say is
索尔金：你承诺未来五年为美国创造100万个职位 we're going to 1 million jobs in the
索尔金：你承诺未来五年为美国创造100万个职位 United States yeah over five
索尔金：你承诺未来五年为美国创造100万个职位 years yeah now that's not a million jobs
不是阿里巴巴直接雇佣？ years yeah now that's not a million jobs
不是阿里巴巴直接雇佣？ that Alibaba itself but you're
不是阿里巴巴直接雇佣？ not hiring a million people no we are
马云：不是我们雇佣 not hiring a million people no we are
马云：不是我们雇佣
all totally Alibaba employed put
阿里巴巴有4.5万名员工 all totally Alibaba employed put
阿里巴巴有4.5万名员工 together it's like a forty five thousand
people we cannot hire one million I
我们没法办请100万人 people we cannot hire one million I
我们没法办请100万人 cannot imagine I can manage one million
我无法想象我们可以管理100万人 cannot imagine I can manage one million
我无法想象我们可以管理100万人 people explain to us how you think about
索尔金；请谈谈你如何看待中美关系 people explain to us how you think about
索尔金；请谈谈你如何看待中美关系 the us-china relationship given some of
如何评论特朗普 之前对于中国操纵货币的言论？ the us-china relationship given some of
如何评论特朗普 之前对于中国操纵货币的言论？ the comments that Donald Trump has made
如何评论特朗普 之前对于中国操纵货币的言论？ about China being a manipulate
如何评论特朗普 之前对于中国操纵货币的言论？ currency manipulated did that come up there
你们再会面中谈到这些了吗 currency manipulated did that come up there
你们再会面中谈到这些了吗 in your meeting well I think first in
马云：首先在美国言论自由 in your meeting well I think first in
马云：首先在美国言论自由 America there's a freedom of speech
马云：首先在美国言论自由 All right so he can say whatever he want and
他可以说任何他想说的 All right so he can say whatever he want and
他可以说任何他想说的 I respect and I understand but of course I
我尊重而且也理解 I respect and I understand but of course I
但我也有自己的观点 I respect and I understand but of course I
但我也有自己的观点 have my views we did not debate about
我们不会辩论中美贸易、操纵这些 have my views we did not debate about
我们不会辩论中美贸易、操纵这些 the china-us a trade or manipulation
我们不会辩论中美贸易、操纵这些 we did not debate
actually we agreed
但我们达成了一些共识 actually we agreed
但我们达成了一些共识 on something small business developed in
中小企业、开发中西部，帮助当地农民和中小企业出口到中国 on something small business developed in
中小企业、开发中西部，帮助当地农民和中小企业出口到中国 the Middle West America helping the
中小企业、开发中西部，帮助当地农民和中小企业出口到中国 farmers there's small business there to
中小企业、开发中西部，帮助当地农民和中小企业出口到中国 exporting to China so we all agree but
我们不会谈美国的就业岗位流失到墨西哥、中国等 exporting to China so we all agree but
我们不会谈美国的就业岗位流失到墨西哥、中国等 something that we did not discuss about
我们不会谈美国的就业岗位流失到墨西哥、中国等 the you know the American the job
我们不会谈美国的就业岗位流失到墨西哥、中国等 losing to China and Mexico and this
我可以分享下我的看法吗？ losing to China and Mexico and this
我可以分享下我的看法吗？ can I share with you my ideas please yeah
首先，30年前当我刚刚大学毕业时
first I think thirty years ago when I
首先，30年前当我刚刚大学毕业时 just graduate from universities I
我们听说的是美国的美好战略 just graduate from universities I
我们听说的是美国的美好战略 heard America and a wonderful strategy
我们听说的是美国的美好战略 they outsource the manufactured job
将制造就业外包给墨西哥、中国 they outsource the manufactured job
将制造就业外包给墨西哥、中国 service jobs they outsource the manufacturers
将制造就业外包给墨西哥、中国 to Mexico and China outsource the service
把服务业外包给印度 to Mexico and China outsource the service
把服务业外包给印度 jobs to Indian there's a book called
有本书叫世界是平的 jobs to Indian there's a book called
有本书叫世界是平的 the world is flat yeah
and I think this is
我觉得这是完美战略 and I think this is
我觉得这是完美战略 perfect strategy and all that the
美国说只想控制知识产权、科技、品牌 perfect strategy and all that the
美国说只想控制知识产权、科技、品牌 American said we just want to control
美国说只想控制知识产权、科技、品牌 the IP
美国说只想控制知识产权、科技、品牌 we just want to technology we just
美国说只想控制知识产权、科技、品牌 want a brand leave the low and
美国说只想控制知识产权、科技、品牌 the jobs for the world grace strategy
而降较低层次的工作交给世界 the jobs for the world grace strategy
这是伟大的战略 the jobs for the world grace strategy
and second is that the American
第二，美国的国际公司通过全球化赚了数以百万计美元 and second is that the American
第二，美国的国际公司通过全球化赚了数以百万计美元 international companies made millions
第二，美国的国际公司通过全球化赚了数以百万计美元 millions of dollars from globalization
美国100强企业令人惊叹 millions of dollars from globalization
美国100强企业令人惊叹 the top 10 top 100 companies in America
美国100强企业令人惊叹 amazing I remember when I graduate from
我刚刚大学毕业 amazing I remember when I graduate from
我刚刚大学毕业 university I try to buy a beeper the
当时想买摩托罗拉手机 university I try to buy a beeper the
当时想买摩托罗拉手机 Motorola beeper cost me $250 my pay at
售价是250美元，我的工资只有每月10美元，作为一个老师 Motorola beeper cost me $250 my pay at
售价是250美元，我的工资只有每月10美元，作为一个老师 that time ten dollars a month as a
售价是250美元，我的工资只有每月10美元，作为一个老师 teacher and cost of making that
而制造BB机的成本只有8美元 teacher and cost of making that
而制造BB机的成本只有8美元 beeper is only eight dollars for a chip
而制造BB机的成本只有8美元 so past thirty years IBM Cisco
过去30年，微软、思科、IBM赚的钱数以千万计 so past thirty years IBM Cisco
过去30年，微软、思科、IBM赚的钱数以千万计 Microsoft they make a tens of money the
比中国四大行赚的钱加起来都多 Microsoft they make a tens of money the
比中国四大行赚的钱加起来都多 money the profited made a much more than
比中国四大行赚的钱加起来都多 the four largest banks in China put
比中国四大行赚的钱加起来都多 together the China mobile phone
比中国移动、中国联通等等加起来都多 together the China mobile phone
比中国移动、中国联通等等加起来都多 China Unicom or whatever you name it
比中国移动、中国联通等等加起来都多 put together still these multinational
比中国移动、中国联通等等加起来都多 companies made more money so the
他们的市值在过去30年增长了100% companies made more money so the
他们的市值在过去30年增长了100% market cap grow more than 100 times in
他们的市值在过去30年增长了100% past 30 years but where the money go
那么赚来的钱去了哪里？ past 30 years but where the money go
作为商人我很关心资产负债表 past 30 years but where the money go
作为商人我很关心资产负债表 this is what I would cares because as
作为商人我很关心资产负债表 business people I always care about the
关心钱由何而来、去往何处 business people I always care about the
关心钱由何而来、去往何处 balance sheet where is the money
关心钱由何而来、去往何处 coming where the money go past 30 years
过去30年，美国在13场战争中花费了14.2万亿美元 coming where the money go past 30 years
过去30年，美国在13场战争中花费了14.2万亿美元 the American had 13 wars spending
过去30年，美国在13场战争中花费了14.2万亿美元 fourteen point two trillion dollars the
如果这些资金有一部分 fourteen point two trillion dollars the
如果这些资金有一部分 money going there what if they spent a
如果这些资金有一部分 part of their money on building up the
用于投资基建、帮助白领和蓝领呢? part of their money on building up the
用于投资基建、帮助白领和蓝领呢? infrastructure helping the divided colors
用于投资基建、帮助白领和蓝领呢? the divided colors and blue colors no
无论你们的战略有多好 the divided colors and blue colors no
无论你们的战略有多好 matter how strategy good it is you're
你们应该为民众而投资 matter how strategy good it is you're
你们应该为民众而投资 supposed to spend money on your own
你们应该为民众而投资 people right not everybody can pass
不是每个人都有机会上哈佛大学 people right not everybody can pass
不是每个人都有机会上哈佛大学 Harvard like me we balabala
像我就不行 Harvard like me we balabala
像我就不行 education right we should spend
我们应该为那些无力上学的人们投入资金 education right we should spend
我们应该为那些无力上学的人们投入资金 money on those people who are not good
我们应该为那些无力上学的人们投入资金 at schooling and the other money which I
另外令我好奇的是 at schooling and the other money which I
另外令我好奇的是 curious about is that when I was young I
我年轻时听说美国有福特、波音等大型制造企业 curious about is that when I was young I
我年轻时听说美国有福特、波音等大型制造企业 heard America's better ford ford and
我年轻时听说美国有福特、波音等大型制造企业 Boeing those big manufactured companies
而过去20年听到的都是硅谷和华尔街 Boeing those big manufactured companies
而过去20年听到的都是硅谷和华尔街 last 10 20 years I heard about is
而过去20年听到的都是硅谷和华尔街 Silicon Valley and Wall Street the money
资金流向了华尔街 Silicon Valley and Wall Street the money
资金流向了华尔街 go to the Wall Street
然后，2008年金融危机发生了 go to the Wall Street
然后，2008年金融危机发生了 what happened year 2008 the financial
损失了19.2万亿美金 what happened year 2008 the financial
损失了19.2万亿美金 crisis wipe it out nineteen point two
损失了19.2万亿美金 trillion dollars US alone
这是一笔巨资，洗劫了白领，毁灭了全球3400万工作 trillion dollars US alone
这是一笔巨资，洗劫了白领，毁灭了全球3400万工作 they raped all the white colors and
这是一笔巨资，洗劫了白领，毁灭了全球3400万工作 destroyed thirty four million jobs
这是一笔巨资，洗劫了白领，毁灭了全球3400万工作 globally so what if the money not wall
如果这些钱不是流向华尔街 globally so what if the money not wall
如果这些钱不是流向华尔街 street what if the money spent on a
而是投资了中西部、开发那里的产业 street what if the money spent on a
而是投资了中西部、开发那里的产业 Middle East Middle West of the United
而是投资了中西部、开发那里的产业 States developing the industry there
that could be changed a lot so it's not
那会带来很大的改变 that could be changed a lot so it's not
不是其他国家投了你们的就业机会 that could be changed a lot so it's not
不是其他国家投了你们的就业机会 the other countries steal jobs from you
不是其他国家投了你们的就业机会 guys it is your strategy okay but you do
这是你们的战略 guys it is your strategy okay but you do
是你们没有合理思考、分配资金 guys it is your strategy okay but you do
是你们没有合理思考、分配资金 not distribute the money that the money
是你们没有合理思考、分配资金 and things in a proper way this is what
这是我的看法 and things in a proper way this is what
这是我的看法 I and now we are having a backlash and
索尔金：现在我们看到了关于重构全球化的强烈抵制 I and now we are having a backlash and
索尔金：现在我们看到了关于重构全球化的强烈抵制 that backlash is a rebuke of
索尔金：现在我们看到了关于重构全球化的强烈抵制 globalization and so much of the
实际上在达沃斯的多数讨论都是围绕这一话题 globalization and so much of the
实际上在达沃斯的多数讨论都是围绕这一话题 conversation frankly that we have here
实际上在达沃斯的多数讨论都是围绕这一话题 and that backlash is happening in the
抵制发生于美国 and that backlash is happening in the
抵制发生于美国 United States but I will say President
但是习近平主席昨天来到了达沃斯 United States but I will say President
但是习近平主席昨天来到了达沃斯 Xi was here yesterday you had lunch with
你们共进了午餐 Xi was here yesterday you had lunch with
你们共进了午餐 him and he was quoting Abraham Lincoln
他应用了林肯的话，你怎么看？ him and he was quoting Abraham Lincoln
他应用了林肯的话，你怎么看？ what did you make of that well I would
马云：全球化是很好的东西 what did you make of that well I would
马云：全球化是很好的东西 say that globalization is a great stuff
美国是教育我们如何进行全球化的发达国家 say that globalization is a great stuff
美国是教育我们如何进行全球化的发达国家 it's the US developed countries to teach
美国是教育我们如何进行全球化的发达国家 us how to do globalization I remember
记得2001年前后我们加入WTO时 us how to do globalization I remember
记得2001年前后我们加入WTO时 2002 or one people trying to join
记得2001年前后我们加入WTO时 the WTO everybody in China was worried
me I was worried because what if all the
我们都很担心--如果国际品牌和产业都来到中国 me I was worried because what if all the
我们都很担心--如果国际品牌和产业都来到中国 international products come to China
毁灭我们的产业，让我们失去工作 international products come to China
毁灭我们的产业，让我们失去工作 destroy our industry and we have lose a
毁灭我们的产业，让我们失去工作 job so convince the China after
当时说服了我们 job so convince the China after
20年之后你们却说全球化是可怕的事 job so convince the China after
20年之后你们却说全球化是可怕的事 twenty years then you guys tell and say
20年之后你们却说全球化是可怕的事 this is a terrible thing I believe
我认为全球化是好的，但全球化需要优化 this is a terrible thing I believe
我认为全球化是好的，但全球化需要优化 globalization is good but globalization
我认为全球化是好的，但全球化需要优化 needs to be improved
this is Donald Trump presently liked
这是总统特朗普希望解决的问题 this is Donald Trump presently liked
这是总统特朗普希望解决的问题 want to solve it the problems that
我认为全球化应该是普惠的全球化 want to solve it the problems that
我认为全球化应该是普惠的全球化 globalization I think should be
我认为全球化应该是普惠的全球化 inclusive globalization in the past
过去30年，全球化由6万家大企业控制 inclusive globalization in the past
过去30年，全球化由6万家大企业控制 thirty years
过去30年，全球化由6万家大企业控制 the globalization was controlled by
过去30年，全球化由6万家大企业控制 sixty thousand big companies a hundred
100年之前，是由几位国王控制 sixty thousand big companies a hundred
100年之前，是由几位国王控制 years ago globalization was controlled
100年之前，是由几位国王控制 by several kings and Empress what if
如果未来30年我们能够支持600万家企业跨境运营 by several kings and Empress what if
如果未来30年我们能够支持600万家企业跨境运营 next for thirty years we can support six
如果未来30年我们能够支持600万家企业跨境运营 million business doing this Cross-border
what if in next thirty years we can
如果未来30年我们能够支持2000万家中小企业跨境运营呢 what if in next thirty years we can
如果未来30年我们能够支持2000万家中小企业跨境运营呢 help support 20 million small business
如果未来30年我们能够支持2000万家中小企业跨境运营呢 can do business across the board so this
我们相信全球化应该是普惠的 can do business across the board so this
我们相信全球化应该是普惠的 is something which I believe
我们相信全球化应该是普惠的 globalization should be inclusive and do
索尔金：你认为习近平主席提到的事情会发生吗？ globalization should be inclusive and do
索尔金：你认为习近平主席提到的事情会发生吗？ you think that the words President Xi
索尔金：你认为习近平主席提到的事情会发生吗？ will happen in reality which is to say
yeah that China has largely acted on its
中国代表了东方很多年 yeah that China has largely acted on its
中国代表了东方很多年 own behalf for many many years and now
现在如果说美国继续代表所有人而行动? own behalf for many many years and now
现在如果说美国继续代表所有人而行动? is effectively we saying that the US needs
现在如果说美国继续代表所有人而行动? to continue acting on to everybody
现在如果说美国继续代表所有人而行动? else's behalf yeah I think you know the
马云：习主席昨天提到，这是最好的时代 else's behalf yeah I think you know the
马云：习主席昨天提到，这是最好的时代 world need some as being it is such a mr.
马云：习主席昨天提到，这是最好的时代 Xi yesterday said it's a wonderful time
马云：习主席昨天提到，这是最好的时代 it's the best time or the worst time the
也是最坏的时代 it's the best time or the worst time the
世界需要新的领袖，但新的领袖意味着携手共进 it's the best time or the worst time the
世界需要新的领袖，但新的领袖意味着携手共进 world need a new leadership but the new
世界需要新的领袖，但新的领袖意味着携手共进 leadership is about working together
这是我的理解 leadership is about working together
这是我的理解 this is what I understand we do not
新的领袖并不需要是特定的某一个 this is what I understand we do not
新的领袖并不需要是特定的某一个 necessarily need one specific leader to
来教导大家什么可以做、什么不能做 necessarily need one specific leader to
来教导大家什么可以做、什么不能做 teach us what to do what not to do but
但全世界需要团结在一起 teach us what to do what not to do but
但全世界需要团结在一起 the world had to partner together this
is what I think and I think I like as
作为一个中国的商人 is what I think and I think I like as
作为一个中国的商人 a Chinese as a business people I like
我很喜欢也很自豪习主席昨天提到的一个--作为一个商人 a Chinese as a business people I like
我很喜欢也很自豪习主席昨天提到的一个--作为一个商人 I feel proud for what President Xi said
我很喜欢也很自豪习主席昨天提到的一个--作为一个商人 yesterday as a business person I want
我希望全世界能够共同负担起责任、携手合作 yesterday as a business person I want
我希望全世界能够共同负担起责任、携手合作 the world to share the prosperity
我希望全世界能够共同负担起责任、携手合作 together to join the post together as a
作为一个中国人 together to join the post together as a
作为一个中国人 Chinese I'm happy about what he
我也对他所做出的承诺感到高兴 Chinese I'm happy about what he
我也对他所做出的承诺感到高兴 committed yesterday he said you know he
昨天他提及中国作为世界第二大经济体应该担负起责任 committed yesterday he said you know he
昨天他提及中国作为世界第二大经济体应该担负起责任 speaks like us take the responsibility
昨天他提及中国作为世界第二大经济体应该担负起责任 of the second largest economy as the
昨天他提及中国作为世界第二大经济体应该担负起责任 China's second largest economy he has to
昨天他提及中国作为世界第二大经济体应该担负起责任 take some responsibility this is the
这是我第一次听到中国领导人做出量化承诺 take some responsibility this is the
这是我第一次听到中国领导人做出量化承诺 first time I heard a Chinese leader make
这是我第一次听到中国领导人做出量化承诺 number commitment he said next 10 years
他说未来10年我们的进口将达到8万亿美元 number commitment he said next 10 years
他说未来10年我们的进口将达到8万亿美元 we are going to import eight trillion US dollars
this make me feel
这让我感到兴奋 this make me feel
excited because China is transforming
因为中国正从出口向进口转型 excited because China is transforming
因为中国正从出口向进口转型 from exporting to importing if there's a
如果能够达成一个具体的数据 from exporting to importing if there's a
如果能够达成一个具体的数据 concrete number if we can fulfill it
如果能够达成一个具体的数据 this going to be huge change to China
这对中国和世界都将是巨大的转变 this going to be huge change to China
这对中国和世界都将是巨大的转变 and to the world what I think it's easier
索尔金：今天中国对全球化相对会更有兴趣 and to the world what I think it's easier
索尔金：今天中国对全球化相对会更有兴趣 today for China to be interested in
索尔金：今天中国对全球化相对会更有兴趣 globalization because of the benefits
因为其带来的益处将继续支持中国朝着“发达国家”成长 globalization because of the benefits
因为其带来的益处将继续支持中国朝着“发达国家”成长 that accrue that can accrue to China
因为其带来的益处将继续支持中国朝着“发达国家”成长 because you're continuing to develop
因为其带来的益处将继续支持中国朝着“发达国家”成长 than it is for countries that are quote
因为其带来的益处将继续支持中国朝着“发达国家”成长 unquote developed
马云：首先，WTO规则不是中国定的 unquote developed
马云：首先，WTO规则不是中国定的 well first the WTO rule is not designed
马云：首先，WTO规则不是中国定的 by China it's not made by China I will
也不是为中国制定的 by China it's not made by China I will
也不是为中国制定的 say there's something that I want to
我想改变的是，过去WTO是为大企业而设计的 say there's something that I want to
我想改变的是，过去WTO是为大企业而设计的 change the WTO is designed a lot
我想改变的是，过去WTO是为大企业而设计的 rules designed for big companies in
我想改变的是，过去WTO是为大企业而设计的 past years and only big
只有大企业能参与 past years and only big
只有大企业能参与 companies can do it and China definitely
中国也从开放中受益良多 companies can do it and China definitely
中国也从开放中受益良多 benefit a lot from opening I think China
我认为中国应该学会一件事--过去中国能够增长 benefit a lot from opening I think China
我认为中国应该学会一件事--过去中国能够增长 should learn one thing that we grow in
我认为中国应该学会一件事--过去中国能够增长 the past 30 years it's because we open
是因为我们面向世界开放 the past 30 years it's because we open
是因为我们面向世界开放 to the world it will continue to open
如果我们能够继续开放 to the world it will continue to open
如果我们能够继续开放 not fully not fully American business
不是完全开放，但不是完全开放 not fully not fully American business
比如美国企业要进入中国就需要和当地企业合作 not fully not fully American business
比如美国企业要进入中国就需要和当地企业合作
that wants to affect we go into business
比如美国企业要进入中国就需要和当地企业合作 in China has a very difficult time has
比如美国企业要进入中国就需要和当地企业合作 to partner effectively with a company
比如美国企业要进入中国就需要和当地企业合作 that's there already this is why I said
这就是为什么我说中国也存在它的问题 that's there already this is why I said
这就是为什么我说中国也存在它的问题 China has the problems too the world has
这个世界存在着问题，中国当然也有很多自己的问题 China has the problems too the world has
这个世界存在着问题，中国当然也有很多自己的问题 problem and China has definitely a lot
这个世界存在着问题，中国当然也有很多自己的问题 of problems China should open we should
中国应该开放，应该自信 of problems China should open we should
中国应该开放，应该自信 have been more confidence this is what I
昨天习主席的话让我很有信心 have been more confidence this is what I
昨天习主席的话让我很有信心 feel yesterday I feel the confidence of
昨天习主席的话让我很有信心 mr. XI that he is ready to open more
他已经准备好让中国面向世界进一步开放 mr. XI that he is ready to open more
他已经准备好让中国面向世界进一步开放 to the world this is what I
这是我的建议 to the world this is what I
这是我的建议 suggest that we should solve the problem
我们应该通过商业团体、通过谈判来解决问题 suggest that we should solve the problem
我们应该通过商业团体、通过谈判来解决问题 by business community by negotiation
中国已经加入WTO十几年 by business community by negotiation
中国已经加入WTO十几年 WTO China join WTO for twenty years
中国已经加入WTO十几年 or 17 years I do not remeber
中国已经加入WTO十几年 but the past years that I think
我想无论作为企业、作为国家、还是整个世界 but the past years that I think
我想无论作为企业、作为国家、还是整个世界 we as a business we as a country we as
我想无论作为企业、作为国家、还是整个世界 the world we have to review something
都需要重新进行审视 the world we have to review something
都需要重新进行审视 right but not because imbalance the
不仅仅是因为不平衡的事物--我们可以喊停 right but not because imbalance the
不仅仅是因为不平衡的事物--我们可以喊停 things we stopped it
you've been calling for something called
索尔金：你提出的EWPT，具体是什么 you've been calling for something called
索尔金：你提出的EWPT，具体是什么 EWTP yeah what is that this is what I
马云 :WTO很伟大 EWTP yeah what is that this is what I
马云 :WTO很伟大 would talk about is that the WTO was
马云 :WTO很伟大 great but they mainly designed for
但它主要是为发达国家及其企业所设计的 great but they mainly designed for
但它主要是为发达国家及其企业所设计的 developed countries big companies
there's no opportunity for small
对中小企业而言没有机会 there's no opportunity for small
对中小企业而言没有机会 business we want to build up Electronic
我们希望建立EWTP business we want to build up Electronic
Electronic World Trade Platform business we want to build up Electronic
Electronic World Trade Platform world trade platform to
来支持年轻人和小企业 world trade platform to
来支持年轻人和小企业 support young people small business
来支持年轻人和小企业 thinks through mobile phones internet
他们可以通过手机和互联网在网上进行跨境买卖 thinks through mobile phones internet
他们可以通过手机和互联网在网上进行跨境买卖 they can sell buy across the board and
此外，WTO也是一家非常有意思的机构 they can sell buy across the board and
此外，WTO也是一家非常有意思的机构 the other thing is that WTO
此外，WTO也是一家非常有意思的机构 is a very interesting organization
此外，WTO也是一家非常有意思的机构 when you put the Doha round we put 200
它能够200国政府走到一起，就一件事达成共识 when you put the Doha round we put 200
它能够200国政府走到一起，就一件事达成共识 government offices in a one room
它能够200国政府走到一起，就一件事达成共识 ask them to agree on something it's
这简直是不可能的 ask them to agree on something it's
这简直是不可能的 impossible I can never imagine that they
我无法想像各方能够达成共识 impossible I can never imagine that they
我无法想像各方能够达成共识 can agree on something together business
商业应该由商人决定 can agree on something together business
商业应该由商人决定 should be designed about business people
我认为EWPT应该由商界人士们坐下来谈论、谈判，达成共识 should be designed about business people
我认为EWPT应该由商界人士们坐下来谈论、谈判，达成共识 so we believe EWTP should be
我认为EWPT应该由商界人士们坐下来谈论、谈判，达成共识 something that the business people sit
我认为EWPT应该由商界人士们坐下来谈论、谈判，达成共识 down together agree on something
我认为EWPT应该由商界人士们坐下来谈论、谈判，达成共识 negotiate on something and get
我认为EWPT应该由商界人士们坐下来谈论、谈判，达成共识 endorsement from the government we
索尔金：关于阿里巴巴，关于你们自身的商业模式 endorsement from the government we
索尔金：关于阿里巴巴，关于你们自身的商业模式 talked a little bit about Alibaba and
索尔金：关于阿里巴巴，关于你们自身的商业模式 the model itself because I think for
我想大部分西方人可能不太理解 the model itself because I think for
我想大部分西方人可能不太理解 many in the West if you will they don't
我想大部分西方人可能不太理解 necessarily understand it and to the
我能否尝试让你们与亚马逊做一下比较？ necessarily understand it and to the
我能否尝试让你们与亚马逊做一下比较？ extent on that I
我能否尝试让你们与亚马逊做一下比较？ could try to compare it to Amazon which
我能否尝试让你们与亚马逊做一下比较？ I know you think is an unfair comparison
这样比较可能你们会觉得不太公平 I know you think is an unfair comparison
这样比较可能你们会觉得不太公平 one of the things that's so fascinating
不过令我感觉很有意思的一点是 one of the things that's so fascinating
不过令我感觉很有意思的一点是 to me is that Amazon and Jeff Bezos have
亚马逊所追求的，我感觉比较像是重资产的商业模式 to me is that Amazon and Jeff Bezos have
亚马逊所追求的，我感觉比较像是重资产的商业模式 pursued what might be described as a
亚马逊所追求的，我感觉比较像是重资产的商业模式 very asset heavy business model they're
亚马逊所追求的，我感觉比较像是重资产的商业模式 buying airplanes they want only entire
他们购买飞机，想拥有整个供应链 buying airplanes they want only entire
他们购买飞机，想拥有整个供应链 supply chain from beginning to end and
而阿里巴巴就零售部分来看，相反地 supply chain from beginning to end and
而阿里巴巴就零售部分来看，相反地 Alibaba has effectively acted like this
而阿里巴巴就零售部分来看，相反地 it is very much in terms of the retail
而阿里巴巴就零售部分来看，相反地 piece of this the opposite you don't
你们并不像自营仓库、不想自营物流公司 piece of this the opposite you don't
你们并不像自营仓库、不想自营物流公司 want to own the warehouses you don't
你们并不像自营仓库、不想自营物流公司 want to own the logistics company how do
对此你怎么看？ want to own the logistics company how do
对此你怎么看？ you think about that is Jeff Bezos right
杰弗里贝索斯（亚马逊创始人）正确 you think about that is Jeff Bezos right
杰弗里贝索斯（亚马逊创始人）正确 or you right and is there is there going
还是你们正确‘ or you right and is there is there going
还是你们正确‘ to be a meeting in the middle I hope
还是你们会在中建地带会合 to be a meeting in the middle I hope
马云：我希望双方都正确 to be a meeting in the middle I hope
马云：我希望双方都正确 both are right and because the world
因为世界不只是只有一种商业模式 both are right and because the world
因为世界不只是只有一种商业模式 can never have one model if the world
如果世界只有一种正确模式 can never have one model if the world
如果世界只有一种正确模式 has only one correct model it was too
这个世界将非常乏味 has only one correct model it was too
这个世界将非常乏味 boring right we need to have all kinds
我们需要各种各样的模式 boring right we need to have all kinds
我们需要各种各样的模式 of models and the people who do the
为某种模式而努力的人们必须相信这种模式 of models and the people who do the
为某种模式而努力的人们必须相信这种模式 model should believe in the model and I
我相信我所做的 model should believe in the model and I
我相信我所做的 believe what I do right the difference
至于亚马逊的不同 believe what I do right the difference
至于亚马逊的不同 between Amazon and us Amazon is more
亚马逊更像是一个帝国 between Amazon and us Amazon is more
亚马逊更像是一个帝国 like an empire everything they should
他们自己控制所有环节，从买到卖 like an empire everything they should
他们自己控制所有环节，从买到卖 control themselves buy and sell and our
我们的哲学则是希望打造生态系统 control themselves buy and sell and our
我们的哲学则是希望打造生态系统 philosophy is that we want to be a
我们的哲学则是希望打造生态系统 ecosystem our philosophy is to empower
我们的哲学是赋能其他人 ecosystem our philosophy is to empower
我们的哲学是赋能其他人 others to sell empower others to
协助他们去销售、去服务 others to sell empower others to
协助他们去销售、去服务 service empower making sure the other
确保他们能够比我们更有力量 service empower making sure the other
确保他们能够比我们更有力量 people are more powerful than us making
确保我们的伙伴、10万个品牌 people are more powerful than us making
确保我们的伙伴、10万个品牌 sure with our technology our innovation
确保我们的伙伴、10万个品牌 our partners our 10 millions small business
和中小企业能够因为我们的科技和创新 our partners our 10 millions small business
和中小企业能够因为我们的科技和创新 sellers they can compete with Microsoft
而拥有与微软、IBM竞争的了力量 sellers they can compete with Microsoft
而拥有与微软、IBM竞争的了力量 IBM our philosophy is that we think
我们相信通过互联网技术 IBM our philosophy is that we think
我们相信通过互联网技术 using Internet technology we can make
我们能够让每一家企业成为亚马逊 using Internet technology we can make
我们能够让每一家企业成为亚马逊 every company become amazon remember
去年我们的GMV（商品交易额）超过5500亿美元 every company become amazon remember
去年我们的GMV（商品交易额）超过5500亿美元 one thing today for ourselves our GMV last
去年我们的GMV（商品交易额）超过5500亿美元 year is more than 550
去年我们的GMV（商品交易额）超过5500亿美元 billion US dollars too high people
如果要雇佣员工来负责 billion US dollars too high people
如果要雇佣员工来负责 deliver for us we need five million
我们需要500万人 deliver for us we need five million
我们需要500万人 people so how can we hide five-million
我们不可能请500万人来运送我们平台上销售的商品 people so how can we hide five-million
我们不可能请500万人来运送我们平台上销售的商品 people deliver things for us to deliver
我们不可能请500万人来运送我们平台上销售的商品 the things we thought the only way we do
我们唯一能采取的方式就是赋能公司、物流公司 the things we thought the only way we do
我们唯一能采取的方式就是赋能公司、物流公司 is empower the service company no just
我们唯一能采取的方式就是赋能公司、物流公司 companies making sure they are efficient
确保他们能够高效运作、能够盈利、能够雇佣更多人 companies making sure they are efficient
确保他们能够高效运作、能够盈利、能够雇佣更多人 making sure that they make the money and
确保他们能够高效运作、能够盈利、能够雇佣更多人 making sure that they can hire more
确保他们能够高效运作、能够盈利、能够雇佣更多人 people without owning the whole chain
如果自己不拥有供应链，是都能保证高效 people without owning the whole chain
如果自己不拥有供应链，是都能保证高效 can you do it as effectively the idea
如果自己不拥有供应链，是都能保证高效 that you're having watching Amazon being
人家亚马逊现在已经能够在几个小时内送货到家 that you're having watching Amazon being
人家亚马逊现在已经能够在几个小时内送货到家 able to deliver things now within hours literally
人家亚马逊现在已经能够在几个小时内送货到家 we made a hundred twenty five
马云：去年我们在中国的125个城市实现了当日达 we made a hundred twenty five
马云：去年我们在中国的125个城市实现了当日达 cities deliver within one day last year
imagine 10 years ago deliver one thing
10年前从北京到杭州的邮寄就要8天 imagine 10 years ago deliver one thing
10年前从北京到杭州的邮寄就要8天 from Beijing to Hangzhou takes by
10年前从北京到杭州的邮寄就要8天 the 80 days
现在你从北京送内蒙古只需要12个小时以内 the 80 days
现在你从北京送内蒙古只需要12个小时以内 now you can deliver things from
现在你从北京送内蒙古只需要12个小时以内 from Beijing to in Mongolia some
现在你从北京送内蒙古只需要12个小时以内 city within 12 hours it's improving you
物流销量提升了 city within 12 hours it's improving you
你不可能一天内期望达到这样的进步，我们有足够的耐心 city within 12 hours it's improving you
你不可能一天内期望达到这样的进步，我们有足够的耐心 can never expect these things happen
你不可能一天内期望达到这样的进步，我们有足够的耐心 within 24 hours we have patients so I
think can you imagine that within
2016年双11我们品台上卖出了170亿美元的商品 think can you imagine that within
2016年双11我们品台上卖出了170亿美元的商品 1111 singles day we sold 17 billion
2016年双11我们品台上卖出了170亿美元的商品 dollars and by
3天内我们就派送了总共6亿个包裹 dollars and by
3天内我们就派送了总共6亿个包裹 delivering more than 600 million
3天内我们就派送了总共6亿个包裹 packages within three days this is
这就是真该发生的，也是我们所骄傲的 packages within three days this is
这就是真该发生的，也是我们所骄傲的 happening and this is what we feel proud
这就是真该发生的，也是我们所骄傲的 of it's not how much money we make is
不是我们挣了多少钱，而是我们具有多大的能量 of it's not how much money we make is
不是我们挣了多少钱，而是我们具有多大的能量 not how powerful we are we think because
我们可以使科技变得更具有包容性 not how powerful we are we think because
我们可以使科技变得更具有包容性 of the technology we can make the
我们可以使科技变得更具有包容性 technology very inclusive that every
每一个小企业都可以使用，这是我的梦想 technology very inclusive that every
每一个小企业都可以使用，这是我的梦想 small companies can use it this is my
每一个小企业都可以使用，这是我的梦想 dream because I start my first business
我1992年在中国创立我的第一家公司 dream because I start my first business
我1992年在中国创立我的第一家公司 1992 in China as a small business in
一家小公司，为了向银行借5000美元 1992 in China as a small business in
一家小公司，为了向银行借5000美元 order to borrow money
一家小公司，为了向银行借5000美元 five thousand US dollars from bank took
花了3个月申请，仍然失败了，做小企业真的很困难 five thousand US dollars from bank took
花了3个月申请，仍然失败了，做小企业真的很困难 me three months to acquire still fail so
花了3个月申请，仍然失败了，做小企业真的很困难 difficult to be a small business today
今天随着科技的发展，我们可以做到赋能，这是我想做的事事情 difficult to be a small business today
今天随着科技的发展，我们可以做到赋能，这是我想做的事事情 with the technology we can empower them
今天随着科技的发展，我们可以做到赋能，这是我想做的事事情 this is something I want to do one of
一个对阿里巴巴目前仍在持续的批评是侵权问题 this is something I want to do one of
一个对阿里巴巴目前仍在持续的批评是侵权问题 the critiques as you know and it
一个对阿里巴巴目前仍在持续的批评是侵权问题 continues to linger around Alibaba is
一个对阿里巴巴目前仍在持续的批评是侵权问题 the piracy issue this is a not there's
在中国知识产权是一个很大的问题 the piracy issue this is a not there's
在中国知识产权是一个很大的问题 an IP issue an issue all over China but
it you you take the brunt of a lot of it
但阿里巴巴是个重要的批评对象 it you you take the brunt of a lot of it
now how much progress have you made
您认为阿里巴巴取得了哪些进步 now how much progress have you made
您认为阿里巴巴取得了哪些进步 in your mind and how do you think about
如何看待其他国家的监管机构，包括美国，仍在质疑阿里巴巴 in your mind and how do you think about
如何看待其他国家的监管机构，包括美国，仍在质疑阿里巴巴 some of the regulatory bodies and other
如何看待其他国家的监管机构，包括美国，仍在质疑阿里巴巴 countries including the US that continue
如何看待其他国家的监管机构，包括美国，仍在质疑阿里巴巴 to criticize Alibaba for this issues
first when we start do this business as
首先 当你拥有那么大的商业规模的时候 first when we start do this business as
首先 当你拥有那么大的商业规模的时候 a business like this size you have to
你必须学会接受批评 a business like this size you have to
你必须学会接受批评 take all the crazy system you have to
你必须倾听，再来判断那些事对的，哪些是错误的 take all the crazy system you have to
你必须倾听，再来判断那些事对的，哪些是错误的 listen what is right what is wrong and
第二、作为一个赋能1000万小商家规模的电商平台 listen what is right what is wrong and
第二、作为一个赋能1000万小商家规模的电商平台 second as ecommerce when you put 10 minutes
第二、作为一个赋能1000万小商家规模的电商平台 small business empower them to sell we
我们不会像亚马逊buy一样 small business empower them to sell we
我们不会像亚马逊buy一样 do not like amazon and buy we cannot
我们不会像亚马逊buy一样 even you buy when you buy 550 billion
特别是价值5500亿美元的交易商品，你不可能全部检查 even you buy when you buy 550 billion
特别是价值5500亿美元的交易商品，你不可能全部检查 dollars you cannot check every
特别是价值5500亿美元的交易商品，你不可能全部检查 products so the model itself and the
这是电子商务模式本身的问题 products so the model itself and the
这是电子商务模式本身的问题 e-commerce itself may have a lot of this
这是电子商务模式本身的问题 false and third I would say in the past
第三，在过去17年，我们在打假和知识产权保护方面一直是领军者 false and third I would say in the past
第三，在过去17年，我们在打假和知识产权保护方面一直是领军者 17 years we are the leader of this empty
第三，在过去17年，我们在打假和知识产权保护方面一直是领军者 privacy issues the IP protect IP but
但我们是互联网公司，没有执法权 privacy issues the IP protect IP but
但我们是互联网公司，没有执法权 the second we are Internet
但我们是互联网公司，没有执法权 companies we do not have the law
但我们是互联网公司，没有执法权 enforcement we find this guy is selling
我们发现了某人在卖假货 enforcement we find this guy is selling
我们发现了某人在卖假货 product and cheaper you know fake
我们发现了某人在卖假货 products we delete them we cannot arrest
我们可以把他从平台上移除，但不能逮捕他 products we delete them we cannot arrest
我们可以把他从平台上移除，但不能逮捕他 them but we are huge progress last year
去年一年，我们将400名涉假分子送进监狱 them but we are huge progress last year
去年一年，我们将400名涉假分子送进监狱 alone we put 400 people into juice with
下架了3.7亿件假货 alone we put 400 people into juice with
下架了3.7亿件假货 delete a 370 million fake products
下架了3.7亿件假货 listing on our site I want to say we are
我们不但是打假的领军者 listing on our site I want to say we are
我们不但是打假的领军者 the leaders and we are using the big
我们用大数据来监测 the leaders and we are using the big
我们用大数据来监测 datas to check who's buying who's
谁在买、谁在制造、谁在销售 datas to check who's buying who's
谁在买、谁在制造、谁在销售 manufacturing who's selling what is there
谁在买、谁在制造、谁在销售 adress so now I'm happy about the whole
我们现在对全世界尤其中国政府机构 adress so now I'm happy about the whole
我们现在对全世界尤其中国政府机构 world especially China all the
我们现在对全世界尤其中国政府机构 government organization start to realize
意识到这个问题感到高兴 government organization start to realize
意识到这个问题感到高兴 the issues so I would tell you a good
好事是今天你去问这些“犯罪团伙” the issues so I would tell you a good
好事是今天你去问这些“犯罪团伙” thing is that today when you go to those
好事是今天你去问这些“犯罪团伙” criminal group which I call them
好事是今天你去问这些“犯罪团伙” criminals those fake products
这些制假者、售假者 criminals those fake products
这些制假者、售假者 manufacturers sellers you praise the
索尔金：你在称赞那些售假者 manufacturers sellers you praise the
索尔金：你在称赞那些售假者 quality of some these I would
马云：这个我等会会说 quality of some these I would
马云：这个我等会会说 talk about it later
马云：这个我等会会说 all right those criminals said that they can go
他们说，他们可以去任何一个平台 all right those criminals said that they can go
他们说，他们可以去任何一个平台 anywhere but not not taobao or tianmao
他们说，他们可以去任何一个平台 because using our data we trace where
但他们现在不敢上淘宝和天猫 because using our data we trace where
因为我们的大数据可以查出他们是谁，地址在哪 because using our data we trace where
因为我们的大数据可以查出他们是谁，地址在哪 they are who they are what is
因为我们的大数据可以查出他们是谁，地址在哪 their adress and I will deliver this to the
并提交给警方，对他们进行抓捕 their adress and I will deliver this to the
并提交给警方，对他们进行抓捕 Police Station and working with them
并提交给警方，对他们进行抓捕 the quality issues is something I
您之前说过有关假货质量的话 the quality issues is something I
您之前说过有关假货质量的话 want to share with people it's not by
我说的假货质量的话不是对假货进行赞扬 want to share with people it's not by
我说的假货质量的话不是对假货进行赞扬 praising the fake products I want to say
而是说经过这么多年，这些品牌商家必须非常小心 praising the fake products I want to say
而是说经过这么多年，这些品牌商家必须非常小心 that for so many years
而是说经过这么多年，这些品牌商家必须非常小心 those branded companies you have to be
而是说经过这么多年，这些品牌商家必须非常小心 very careful because the fake products
因为假货的质量正在大幅提高让人感到恐惧 very careful because the fake products
因为假货的质量正在大幅提高让人感到恐惧 their quality improving is scary
因为假货的质量正在大幅提高让人感到恐惧 that is the difference between us
这就是区别 that is the difference between us
这就是区别 because when you find the guys the thing
你找到制假者，有人说，这是假货 because when you find the guys the thing
你找到制假者，有人说，这是假货 that people said this is fake and you
你去找第三方鉴定到底是不是假货 that people said this is fake and you
你去找第三方鉴定到底是不是假货 have to find people you have found a
你去找第三方鉴定到底是不是假货 third-party institution to check it's
你去找第三方鉴定到底是不是假货 a fake or not we find sometimes the
发现有时假货质量更好 a fake or not we find sometimes the
发现有时假货质量更好 quality is better and I tell you another
另一个更吓人的是，一家品牌说你们在卖假货 quality is better and I tell you another
另一个更吓人的是，一家品牌说你们在卖假货 thing is even scary a lot of
另一个更吓人的是，一家品牌说你们在卖假货 there's a one brand company he said we
另一个更吓人的是，一家品牌说你们在卖假货 are selling fake products we check
我们找了很久，想发现问题但找不到 are selling fake products we check
我们找了很久，想发现问题但找不到 everything nothing wrong
what is wrong so we buy the product from
后来从旗舰店买了一个 what is wrong so we buy the product from
后来从旗舰店买了一个 his flagship and delivered to them they say this
送过去检查，他们说这是假货 his flagship and delivered to them they say this
送过去检查，他们说这是假货 is a fake you know the thing we buy shop buy
我们从旗舰店买了一个，送过去检查，他们说这是假货 is a fake you know the thing we buy shop buy
我们从旗舰店买了一个，送过去检查，他们说这是假货
things from the Flag shop of this brand
我们从旗舰店买了一个，送过去检查，他们说这是假货 and deliver back it's the fake products
我们从旗舰店买了一个，送过去检查，他们说这是假货 they say that's a bit confusing this is
这很令人困惑，打假是同人性的贪婪作斗争 they say that's a bit confusing this is
这很令人困惑，打假是同人性的贪婪作斗争 fighting against the fake product it's a
这很令人困惑，打假是同人性的贪婪作斗争 wall against the greedy human
这很令人困惑，打假是同人性的贪婪作斗争 greediness it's not easy you cannot
一点都不容易 greediness it's not easy you cannot
也不可能结束，但必须继续战斗 greediness it's not easy you cannot
也不可能结束，但必须继续战斗 finish it but you have to continue to
也不可能结束，但必须继续战斗 fight and I want to say we put two
我们每年投入2000名专职人员 fight and I want to say we put two
我们每年投入2000名专职人员 thousand people 1 billion RMB every
每年投入10亿元人民币在打假 thousand people 1 billion RMB every
每年投入10亿元人民币在打假 year fighting again bet it can never
不可能两年内结束战争 year fighting again bet it can never
不可能两年内结束战争 finish the war within 2 years but I'm
如果人们还在继续批评 finish the war within 2 years but I'm
如果人们还在继续批评 happy
如果人们还在继续批评 when people criticize me criticize us
如果人们还在继续批评 the most important is that we are happy
重要的是我们自己对进展是高兴的 the most important is that we are happy
重要的是我们自己对进展是高兴的 about the progress we made if people
如果人们赞扬我，说马云你很棒！ about the progress we made if people
如果人们赞扬我，说马云你很棒！ praise me so you know when people say
如果人们赞扬我，说马云你很棒！ jack you're wonderful I know I'm not
我知道并不是很棒。阿里巴巴很伟大！ jack you're wonderful I know I'm not
我知道并不是很棒。阿里巴巴很伟大！ wonderful right or alibaba is great
我知道并不是很棒。阿里巴巴很伟大！ we are not great we're just a 17 year
我们并非很棒，我们只是个17年历史的公司而已 we are not great we're just a 17 year
我们并非很棒，我们只是个17年历史的公司而已 old company but when people say you're
但如果他们说，你们在打假上什么都没做 old company but when people say you're
但如果他们说，你们在打假上什么都没做 doing nothing no we're doing a lot of
不 我们在做很多事情 doing nothing no we're doing a lot of
不 我们在做很多事情 things but you do not have to argue you do not have
但你不用去争辩，你只要做你相信的事就好 things but you do not have to argue you do not have
但你不用去争辩，你只要做你相信的事就好 debate you do what you believe one of
您谈到了在打假上运用大数据 debate you do what you believe one of
您谈到了在打假上运用大数据 the things you mentioned was using big
您谈到了在打假上运用大数据 data on the piracy side but the other
另一方面你们也在信用体系上运用了大数据 data on the piracy side but the other
另一方面你们也在信用体系上运用了大数据 thing that you're using a lot of that
另一方面你们也在信用体系上运用了大数据 big data to do is provide credit and
使贷不到款的人能够得到贷款 big data to do is provide credit and
使贷不到款的人能够得到贷款 effectively banking the unbanked
使贷不到款的人能够得到贷款 and what's so fascinating to me and I
我们谈到芝麻信用 and what's so fascinating to me and I
我们谈到芝麻信用 hope you'll share it is we talked about
我们谈到芝麻信用 the sesame credit yeah how you are able
怎么判断谁到底可以得到贷款，谁不该得到呢？ the sesame credit yeah how you are able
怎么判断谁到底可以得到贷款，谁不该得到呢？ to use big data effectively to figure
怎么判断谁到底可以得到贷款，谁不该得到呢？ out who deserves credit and who doesn't
怎么判断谁到底可以得到贷款，谁不该得到呢？ in a marketplace where some of these
加入一个可能一些人没有信用记录的交易市场上 in a marketplace where some of these
加入一个可能一些人没有信用记录的交易市场上 people had no credit history before okay
well before we do that we had a system
首先，此前，我们有一个系统 well before we do that we had a system
首先，此前，我们有一个系统 called teach computers to learn how to
教计算机学会怎么甄别假货 called teach computers to learn how to
教计算机学会怎么甄别假货 entice fake products teach the computer
教计算机学会怎么甄别假货 to learn how to because we have alipay
教计算机学会怎么甄别假货 a lot of people try to use all the ways to
教计算机学会怎么甄别假货 cheating so we teach the computer how to
教计算机学会怎么甄别假货 do that the cheating things so we've
以及支付宝上的诈骗，我们已经做了十年 do that the cheating things so we've
以及支付宝上的诈骗，我们已经做了十年 been doing that for 10 years until now
现在人们把这叫做AI人工智能 been doing that for 10 years until now
现在人们把这叫做AI人工智能 there's called artificial intelligence
现在人们把这叫做AI人工智能 because we're doing that we are a data
我们是一家数据公司，8年前，我们对自己说 because we're doing that we are a data
我们是一家数据公司，8年前，我们对自己说 company eight years ago we said to
我们是一家数据公司，8年前，我们对自己说 ourselves
我们不能做一家电商，我们要做一家数据公司 ourselves
我们不能做一家电商，我们要做一家数据公司 Alibaba should not be an e-commerce
我们不能做一家电商，我们要做一家数据公司 company we should be a data company
我们有消费者、制造商、物流、交易等等数据 company we should be a data company
我们有消费者、制造商、物流、交易等等数据 because we have the data from consumers who have
我们有消费者、制造商、物流、交易等等数据 data from the manufacturer we have datas
我们有消费者、制造商、物流、交易等等数据 from logistic companies and transactions
我们有消费者、制造商、物流、交易等等数据 but we think how we can make a data
但如何运用好这些数据造福社会 but we think how we can make a data
但如何运用好这些数据造福社会 really beneficiary to the society what
很多中国小企业都非常好，有很好的信用 really beneficiary to the society what
很多中国小企业都非常好，有很好的信用 China needs is that we have a lot of
很多中国小企业都非常好，有很好的信用 great people all the small business if
很多中国小企业都非常好，有很好的信用 they have a very they're very credible
很多中国小企业都非常好，有很好的信用 but the other we don't have a credit
但是没有一个适合他们的信用系统 but the other we don't have a credit
但是没有一个适合他们的信用系统 system for that so how can we using a
怎么用我们的数据打造一个信用体系 system for that so how can we using a
怎么用我们的数据打造一个信用体系 credit rating system based on the datas
使所有人都能获及这个信用系统 credit rating system based on the datas
使所有人都能获及这个信用系统 we have put it giving everybody a sesame
使所有人都能获及这个信用系统 a rating system that is so powerful in
这在过去四年非常强大 a rating system that is so powerful in
这在过去四年非常强大 the past four years because every
所有用我们服务的人 the past four years because every
所有用我们服务的人 individual every small business if they
所有用我们服务的人 have been using our services we give them
我们都给他一个信用系统 have been using our services we give them
我们都给他一个信用系统 rating system so we're giving loans in
在过去5年，我们放了500万个小企业商业贷款 rating system so we're giving loans in
在过去5年，我们放了500万个小企业商业贷款 the past five years we giving five
在过去5年，我们放了500万个小企业商业贷款 million business loans they only bought
即使他们只要求5000美金 million business loans they only bought
即使他们只要求5000美金 borrowed $5,000 three minutes we can
3分钟可以决定是否放贷，给多少钱，1秒钟到账 borrowed $5,000 three minutes we can
3分钟可以决定是否放贷，给多少钱，1秒钟到账 decide whether we should give you money
3分钟可以决定是否放贷，给多少钱，1秒钟到账 how much money give within one
3分钟可以决定是否放贷，给多少钱，1秒钟到账 second the money will be in your count
and zero people touch so we call it
不需要任何人去跟他们接触，我们这叫310 and zero people touch so we call it
不需要任何人去跟他们接触，我们这叫310 three one zero and even today the sesame
芝麻信用也可以做谈恋爱的 three one zero and even today the sesame
芝麻信用也可以做谈恋爱的 rating system become people dating the
丈母娘对未来女婿说 rating system become people dating the
丈母娘对未来女婿说 mother-in-law want to say hey you want
你要和我女儿谈恋爱 给我看看你的芝麻信用多少分 mother-in-law want to say hey you want
你要和我女儿谈恋爱 给我看看你的芝麻信用多少分 to dating with my daughter show me
你要和我女儿谈恋爱 给我看看你的芝麻信用多少分 your rating system of the sesame cart so
如果人们要去租车，也会被要求看芝麻信用评分 your rating system of the sesame cart so
如果人们要去租车，也会被要求看芝麻信用评分 it's so funny we go to the people want
如果人们要去租车，也会被要求看芝麻信用评分 to rent a car people want to rent a
如果人们要去租车，也会被要求看芝麻信用评分 bicycle they will say show me your
如果人们要去租车，也会被要求看芝麻信用评分 sesame carts mmm good because if they do
如果他们不还钱 sesame carts mmm good because if they do
如果他们不还钱 not have paid back if they do not
信用评分会降低，可能无法租房 not have paid back if they do not
信用评分会降低，可能无法租房 fulfill the radiuses are going to low
信用评分会降低，可能无法租房 down and they can never rent a house
信用评分会降低，可能无法租房 right this is what we want to do that
这是我们想要打造的系统 right this is what we want to do that
这是我们想要打造的系统 the system that if you sell or buy fake
如果你买卖假货，芝麻信用也会体现 the system that if you sell or buy fake
如果你买卖假货，芝麻信用也会体现 products the sesame cars will show
最后一个问题，对你进军好莱坞有很多猜测 products the sesame cars will show
最后一个问题，对你进军好莱坞有很多猜测 we open up to questions but a final one for me
最后一个问题，对你进军好莱坞有很多猜测 there's been a lot of speculation that
最后一个问题，对你进军好莱坞有很多猜测 you're going to get into the business of
最后一个问题，对你进军好莱坞有很多猜测 Hollywood your name has appeared Alibaba
您和阿里巴巴的名字出现在年初的几个大片中 Hollywood your name has appeared Alibaba
您和阿里巴巴的名字出现在年初的几个大片中 Group at the beginning of a couple of
您和阿里巴巴的名字出现在年初的几个大片中 big films recently
阿里巴巴进军好莱坞的雄心是什么 big films recently
阿里巴巴进军好莱坞的雄心是什么 what is the ambition for Alibaba in the
阿里巴巴进军好莱坞的雄心是什么 entertainment world
阿里巴巴进军好莱坞的雄心是什么 um the beginning were like this several
每隔五年，我们都会做战略回顾，展望未来30年、10年 um the beginning were like this several
每隔五年，我们都会做战略回顾，展望未来30年、10年 years we every five years we have a
每隔五年，我们都会做战略回顾，展望未来30年、10年 review for our strategy now our strategy is
每隔五年，我们都会做战略回顾，展望未来30年、10年 always look at the 30 years and 10 years
every strategic decisions we make we
所有战略问题都问自己一个问题，是否解决社会问题 every strategic decisions we make we
所有战略问题都问自己一个问题，是否解决社会问题 have to ask one question if
所有战略问题都问自己一个问题，是否解决社会问题 this decision we make solve society
所有战略问题都问自己一个问题，是否解决社会问题 problems because we believe the bigger
我们相信，，解决的问题越多，你越成功 problems because we believe the bigger
我们相信，，解决的问题越多，你越成功 social problem you solve the more
我们相信，，解决的问题越多，你越成功 successful you are so if we do this
如果它不能解决任何社会问题，我们就不做 successful you are so if we do this
如果它不能解决任何社会问题，我们就不做 cannot solve any social problems we
如果它不能解决任何社会问题，我们就不做 don't do it second is this project is
第二个问题，这个项目十年内会成功？ don't do it second is this project is
第二个问题，这个项目十年内会成功？ going to be successful in 10 years if
那我们就做 going to be successful in 10 years if
那我们就做 it's going to be successful in 10 years
如果一个月或一年就能成功，那就不用做了 it's going to be successful in 10 years
如果一个月或一年就能成功，那就不用做了 let's do it if it's going to be
如果一个月或一年就能成功，那就不用做了 successful in one year or one month
如果一个月或一年就能成功，那就不用做了 normally I say forget about it because
怎么可能在一年和一个月成功？ normally I say forget about it because
怎么可能在一年和一个月成功？ why you can be successful in one year or
怎么可能在一年和一个月成功？ one mouth so we all have to put term and
五年前，我们有过一个大辩论 one mouth so we all have to put term and
五年前，我们有过一个大辩论 five years ago we had a big debate about
五年前，我们有过一个大辩论 10 years later 20 years what are the
对未来10年，20年中国最需要什么 10 years later 20 years what are the
对未来10年，20年中国最需要什么 things the China Society the world want
对未来10年，20年中国最需要什么 so we say happiness and health 2 H
最后决定是happiness和health，双H战略 so we say happiness and health 2 H
最后决定是happiness和health，双H战略 strategy happiness and health we
好莱坞电影能带给人快乐 strategy happiness and health we
好莱坞电影能带给人快乐 believe hollywood you know the movie
好莱坞电影能带给人快乐 industry bring people happy because today
现在没有人快乐，富有的人不快乐，穷人不快乐 industry bring people happy because today
现在没有人快乐，富有的人不快乐，穷人不快乐 nobody is happy rich people no happy
现在没有人快乐，富有的人不快乐，穷人不快乐 poor people no happy you know at least
至少看电影能让人快乐 poor people no happy you know at least
至少看电影能让人快乐 where I watch movie you're happy but
至少看电影能让人快乐 but so I think we should partner with
我觉得我们应该和好莱坞合作 but so I think we should partner with
我觉得我们应该和好莱坞合作 the Hollywood especially like a lot of
you know we have a different way of
living
in China the movie we have a lot of
中国有很多英雄，中国英雄总有死 in China the movie we have a lot of
中国有很多英雄，中国英雄总有死 heroes but China movie's heroes always dead
中国有很多英雄，中国英雄总有死 the American movie hero never
美国英雄永远不会死 the American movie hero never
美国英雄永远不会死 die if all the heroes die who want to
如果所有英雄都死了，谁愿意做英雄 die if all the heroes die who want to
如果所有英雄都死了，谁愿意做英雄 be the hero so my movie I want to make
我想要我的英雄活下来，这个我们应该多多学习 be the hero so my movie I want to make
我想要我的英雄活下来，这个我们应该多多学习 the hero live right so this is this
我想要我的英雄活下来，这个我们应该多多学习 is I think we should learn a lot and
目前我们只做了2年，还有8年 is I think we should learn a lot and
目前我们只做了2年，还有8年 it's all about two years so we have
目前我们只做了2年，还有8年 another eight years to go I want to make
我想让我的公司不只是电商，而是给人启示 another eight years to go I want to make
我想让我的公司不只是电商，而是给人启示 our company that it's not ecommerce it's
我想让我的公司不只是电商，而是给人启示 something that giving people
我想让我的公司不只是电商，而是给人启示 inspirations given people because I
我从电影中得到很多启示 inspirations given people because I
我从电影中得到很多启示 learn a lot for example I will say that
我最喜欢的电影是《阿甘正传》 learn a lot for example I will say that
我最喜欢的电影是《阿甘正传》 my favorite movie Forrest Gump
生活是艰难的，这是我从中学到的，得到了很多启示 my favorite movie Forrest Gump
生活是艰难的，这是我从中学到的，得到了很多启示 you know life is tough this is I learned and
生活是艰难的，这是我从中学到的，得到了很多启示 that inspired me that is why when people
在过去的17年别人说我是疯子，笨蛋 that inspired me that is why when people
在过去的17年别人说我是疯子，笨蛋 call me crazy stupid past 17 years
在过去的17年别人说我是疯子，笨蛋 you're crazy you are doing something never
你疯了，去做不可能的事 you're crazy you are doing something never
你疯了，去做不可能的事 work you're stupid how can do that model
你是个笨蛋，怎么能做这种模式 work you're stupid how can do that model
亚马逊是这个模式，Ebay这个模式，阿里巴巴为什么这个模式 work you're stupid how can do that model
亚马逊是这个模式，Ebay这个模式，阿里巴巴为什么这个模式 amazon this model eBay this model
亚马逊是这个模式，Ebay这个模式，阿里巴巴为什么这个模式 wyh aliBaba this model I told myself Forrest Gump
我对自己说，阿甘说，继续干，别在意别人的想法 wyh aliBaba this model I told myself Forrest Gump
我对自己说，阿甘说，继续干，别在意别人的想法 said go ahead never care about
我对自己说，阿甘说，继续干，别在意别人的想法 what the other people and the other
阿甘还说，没有人能靠抓鲸鱼挣钱，人们靠抓小虾赚钱 what the other people and the other
阿甘还说，没有人能靠抓鲸鱼挣钱，人们靠抓小虾赚钱 thing Forrest Gump said nobody make
阿甘还说，没有人能靠抓鲸鱼挣钱，人们靠抓小虾赚钱 money out of the catch whales people
阿甘还说，没有人能靠抓鲸鱼挣钱，人们靠抓小虾赚钱 make money by catching shrimps so we
所以，我们服务小企业 make money by catching shrimps so we
所以，我们服务小企业 serve small business fair enough
马云，我们现在差不多应该要停了 serve small business fair enough
马云，我们现在差不多应该要停了 Jack Ma we should probably end it there
it going to run out of time but I
谢谢 谢谢您跟我们聊天 it going to run out of time but I
谢谢 谢谢您跟我们聊天 thank you I thank you so much for the
谢谢 谢谢您跟我们聊天 conversation I promise we speak in a
我们只剩下两分钟了 真的两分钟了 conversation I promise we speak in a
我们只剩下两分钟了 真的两分钟了 question or two when we literally have
我们只剩下两分钟了 真的两分钟了 two minutes and they're going to get
我们只剩下两分钟了 真的两分钟了 upset with me if you have a
如果大家要提问 求你们了 1秒钟问完 upset with me if you have a
如果大家要提问 求你们了 1秒钟问完 question of and we're going to yeah
如果大家要提问 求你们了 1秒钟问完 I got beg you to do it within literally
如果大家要提问 求你们了 1秒钟问完 you know a second to go for it right
如果大家要提问 求你们了 1秒钟问完 there
你觉得中国会进入贸易战吗
well I don't think so I think China and
我认为中美不应该打贸易战，永远也不应该打贸易战 well I don't think so I think China and
我认为中美不应该打贸易战，永远也不应该打贸易战 US should never have a trade or will
我认为中美不应该打贸易战，永远也不应该打贸易战 never have a trade war and I think we
我认为我们应该给川普总统一些时间 never have a trade war and I think we
我认为我们应该给川普总统一些时间 should giving president elect Donald
我认为我们应该给川普总统一些时间 Trump some time and he's open-minded
他是一个思想开明的人，他在听大家的声音 Trump some time and he's open-minded
他是一个思想开明的人，他在听大家的声音 he's listening and I think the world is
我认为发动战争是非常容易，但结束战争是很困难的 he's listening and I think the world is
我认为发动战争是非常容易，但结束战争是很困难的 so easy to launch a war but it's so
我认为发动战争是非常容易，但结束战争是很困难的 difficult almost impossible sometimes to
甚至是没有可能 difficult almost impossible sometimes to
甚至是没有可能 terminated a war the Iraq war Afghanistan
你看伊朗战争，阿富汗战争，它结束了吗？ terminated a war the Iraq war Afghanistan
你看伊朗战争，阿富汗战争，它结束了吗？ war is that finished no trade war I
没有！我相信一件事，当贸易停止时，战争就会开始 war is that finished no trade war I
没有！我相信一件事，当贸易停止时，战争就会开始 believe one thing when trade stops the
没有！我相信一件事，当贸易停止时，战争就会开始 war starts trade is something that
贸易让人们开始沟通，大家交流文化和价值 war starts trade is something that
贸易让人们开始沟通，大家交流文化和价值 people start to communicate trade is
贸易让人们开始沟通，大家交流文化和价值 something people exchange culture and
贸易让人们开始沟通，大家交流文化和价值 Value and I will be happy if China USA
如果中美两个国达成一致，阿里巴巴的商业模式将被摧毁 Value and I will be happy if China USA
如果中美两个国达成一致，阿里巴巴的商业模式将被摧毁 agree on something and Alibaba business
如果中美两个国达成一致，阿里巴巴的商业模式将被摧毁 business model destroyed I will destroy
如果是这样可以停滞贸易战的话，我也乐意去毁灭阿里巴巴 business model destroyed I will destroy
如果是这样可以停滞贸易战的话，我也乐意去毁灭阿里巴巴 Alibaba model by stopping the war
如果是这样可以停滞贸易战的话，我也乐意去毁灭阿里巴巴 because how can you imagine the
你怎么能想象世界最大的经济体和世界第二大经济体有贸易战争 because how can you imagine the
你怎么能想象世界最大的经济体和世界第二大经济体有贸易战争 first largest economy of the world
你怎么能想象世界最大的经济体和世界第二大经济体有贸易战争 second largest economy of the world have
你怎么能想象世界最大的经济体和世界第二大经济体有贸易战争 a trada war it's going to be a disaster
这将是一场对世界的灾难 a trada war it's going to be a disaster
这将是一场对世界的灾难 for two countries and for the world if
如果我们能够吧战争停下来 for two countries and for the world if
如果我们能够吧战争停下来 we can anybody can do something to stop
如果我们能够吧战争停下来 it do anything to stop it
我们应该做任何事情来组织它 it do anything to stop it
did you reaction to trump the
你跟川普聊了台湾问题没？它什么反应？ did you reaction to trump the
你跟川普聊了台湾问题没？它什么反应？ situation with Taiwan and how he's
你跟川普聊了台湾问题没？它什么反应？ thinking about that well Taiwan I think
台湾，跟政府无关，跟商业无关 thinking about that well Taiwan I think
台湾，跟政府无关，跟商业无关 this is this is not the something about
台湾，跟政府无关，跟商业无关 government this is not something about
台湾，跟政府无关，跟商业无关 business this is something about people
跟人有关 business this is something about people
跟人有关 if the taiwan issue is the population
台湾问题 你是与十四亿人作对 if the taiwan issue is the population
台湾问题 你是与十四亿人作对 if you do taiwan issue it like against 1.4
台湾问题 你是与十四亿人作对 billion people so this is another issue
这是两个问题 我们讨论贸易 不讨论台湾 billion people so this is another issue
这是两个问题 我们讨论贸易 不讨论台湾 so we're talking about trade we're not
这是两个问题 我们讨论贸易 不讨论台湾 talking about Taiwan very politic let's
如果有可能的话 我们再问一个问题 talking about Taiwan very politic let's
如果有可能的话 我们再问一个问题 take one final question if we can I
如果有可能的话 我们再问一个问题 think we can still one we're in yes
there right there
I'm not politicion
你如何确定自己没有在搞乱别人的生活 I'm not politicion
你如何确定自己没有在搞乱别人的生活 how do you assure you are
你如何确定自己没有在搞乱别人的生活 not messing up these people's life and
you are not dictating the whole you know
你不是在对人们的信誉进行独裁 you are not dictating the whole you know
你不是在对人们的信誉进行独裁 credit Kingdom over the system because
因为你决定了规则 credit Kingdom over the system because
因为你决定了规则 now you are the decision-makers you are
因为你决定了规则 the rule makers okay first I'm not sure
首先我不确定，这是一个不确定的世界 the rule makers okay first I'm not sure
首先我不确定，这是一个不确定的世界 people say Oh this is uncertain
首先我不确定，这是一个不确定的世界 world everyday is uncertain the only
每一天都不确定，唯一能确定的是昨天 world everyday is uncertain the only
每一天都不确定，唯一能确定的是昨天 certain day was yesterday
I'm not sure about that in the future
我不知道我会不会变独裁，或者很愚蠢 I'm not sure about that in the future
我不知道我会不会变独裁，或者很愚蠢 I would dictate I would be stupid
我不知道我会不会变独裁，或者很愚蠢 that's why I should retire early when
这就是为什么我认为我应该年轻时就退休 that's why I should retire early when
这就是为什么我认为我应该年轻时就退休 I'm young
这就是为什么我认为我应该年轻时就退休 that is why I have a lot of things that
我有很多事情想做，我想做慈善，想做老师，想做环保 that is why I have a lot of things that
我有很多事情想做，我想做慈善，想做老师，想做环保 to dream I want to do I want to philanthropic
我有很多事情想做，我想做慈善，想做老师，想做环保 I want to be a teacher I want to
我有很多事情想做，我想做慈善，想做老师，想做环保 go back to school I want to do the
我有很多事情想做，我想做慈善，想做老师，想做环保 environment and the world is so
世界如此美好，我为什么总是要作为阿里巴巴的集团CEO environment and the world is so
世界如此美好，我为什么总是要作为阿里巴巴的集团CEO wonderful why you should be the CEO
世界如此美好，我为什么总是要作为阿里巴巴的集团CEO for Alibaba all the time I'm coming to this
我来到世界不是为了工作，而是来这个世界享受我的人生 for Alibaba all the time I'm coming to this
我来到世界不是为了工作，而是来这个世界享受我的人生 world not to work I want to come to this world
我来到世界不是为了工作，而是来这个世界享受我的人生 to enjoy my life I don't want to
我不想死在办公室，而是在阳光沙滩上 to enjoy my life I don't want to
我不想死在办公室，而是在阳光沙滩上 die my office I want to die on the
我不想死在办公室，而是在阳光沙滩上 beaches it's a wonderful message Jack Ma
thank you for the Conversation well can I say one last please
我可以最后谈几句吗？ thank you for the Conversation well can I say one last please
我可以最后谈几句吗？ I just want to give my last advice to any people
所有政府都需要注意-未来30年对世界而言很重要 I just want to give my last advice to any people
所有政府都需要注意-未来30年对世界而言很重要 here that every government should pay
所有政府都需要注意-未来30年对世界而言很重要 attention to in the next 30 years a
所有政府都需要注意-未来30年对世界而言很重要 critical for the world every
每次科技革命都需要50年，前20年科技公司出现，后30年科技得以应用 critical for the world every
每次科技革命都需要50年，前20年科技公司出现，后30年科技得以应用 technical revolution takes by
每次科技革命都需要50年，前20年科技公司出现，后30年科技得以应用 50 years the first 20 years technology
每次科技革命都需要50年，前20年科技公司出现，后30年科技得以应用 company next 30 years the application
每次科技革命都需要50年，前20年科技公司出现，后30年科技得以应用 of the technology focus on next 30
所以让我们关注未来30年 of the technology focus on next 30
所以让我们关注未来30年 years the first 20 years eBay Amazon
在此前的20年中出现了ebay、亚马逊、facebook，阿里巴巴，google years the first 20 years eBay Amazon
在此前的20年中出现了ebay、亚马逊、facebook，阿里巴巴，google Facebook Alibaba Google good the most
很好但最重要的是让科技更具有包容性 Facebook Alibaba Google good the most
很好但最重要的是让科技更具有包容性 important is that make the technology
很好但最重要的是让科技更具有包容性 inclusive make the world change this 30
这就是未来三十年 inclusive make the world change this 30
这就是未来三十年 years next pay attention to those people
让我们留意那些30岁的人们，因为他们是互联网时代 years next pay attention to those people
让我们留意那些30岁的人们，因为他们是互联网时代 who are 30 years old because those are
让我们留意那些30岁的人们，因为他们是互联网时代 the international generation internet
让我们留意那些30岁的人们，因为他们是互联网时代 generation they will change the world
他们会改变世界、会成为世界的建造者 generation they will change the world
他们会改变世界、会成为世界的建造者 they are the builder of the world third
他们会改变世界、会成为世界的建造者 let's pay attention to the company
第三，让我们留意那些雇员可能尚不足30人 let's pay attention to the company
第三，让我们留意那些雇员可能尚不足30人 who have fewer that 30
第三，让我们留意那些雇员可能尚不足30人 employees so 30 years and 30 years old
未来三十年，30岁的人们，30人组成的企业，将会让世界变得更好！ employees so 30 years and 30 years old
未来三十年，30岁的人们，30人组成的企业，将会让世界变得更好！ and 30 employees that would can make the
未来三十年，30岁的人们，30人组成的企业，将会让世界变得更好！ world much better Jack Ma thank you very
马云 非常感谢 world much better Jack Ma thank you very
马云 非常感谢 very much thank you thank you thank you
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