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I'm so pleased to be in this room filled with amazing musicians.
Let's begin with Suede.
# Ooh, ooh, ooh-ooh
# Nothing is as bad as the time we kill
# Sitting in the bathroom in kitten heels
# And people think they know how we feel
# 15 again
# Oh, what a wasted love
# We all sting in our hearts
# Afternoons in bedrooms with TV meals
# Lying in the road and under your wheels
# And people think they know how you feel
# 15 again
# Oh, what a wasted love
# We all sting in our hearts
# I said, 15 again
# Oh, what a wasted love
# We all sting in our hearts
# And I said 15 again
# Oh, well, too much is not enough
# We are stained in our hearts
# And I said 15 again
# Oh, what a wasted love
# We all sting in our hearts
# Ooh-ooh, ooh
# Ah, ah, ah-ah! #
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Suede, thank you.
Be chatting to Brett later.
Who are our marvellous guests in the room?
From South Africa, we have Abel Selaocoe.
He's there.
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I'll be chatting to Charlie Watts's biographer Paul Sexton.
Over here we have from Bristol, Billy Nomates.
From London, it's Debbie.
But now, it's Hot Chip.
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
# When you're standing there
# Can you really
# Just ignore his prayers
# To be reu...
# ..nited with that child
# That has lost its
# Father standing there
# By his side and
# When I walk out in the sea
# All the waves crash over me
# When the world smashes into you
# Let it be a central part of you
# If you choose to remember me
# Hold me gently as you fall asleep
# Even if you believe that there's nothing more
# I feel heaven's knocking at our door
# Eleanor
# Evermore
# Eleanor
# Evermore
# Eleanor
# When you're standing there
# Can you really Eleanor
# Just ignore the call
# Of memory
# Eleanor
# To be back in those arms
# And walk again Eleanor
# In the moment when
# You were still friends
# Don't you know we're not roving free
# We're just a part of ecology
# When the words are escaping me
# I try to speak with economy
# If you choose to remember me
# Hold me gently as you fall asleep
# Even if you believe that there's nothing more
# I feel heaven knocking at our door
# Eleanor
# Evermore
# Eleanor
# Evermore
# Eleanor
# You're like Andre the Giant
# On his way to school
# Eleanor
# Beckett gave him a ride
# Before there was carpool
# Eleanor
# He knew to pick him up
# Show him the way to go
# Eleanor
# I bet he learned a thing or two
# Riding with Andre in tow
# If you choose to remember me
# Hold me gently as you fall asleep
# Even if you believe that there's nothing more
# I feel heaven knocking at our door, Eleanor
# I see you forming in my Eleanor
# Marazion memories
# I see you calling in these Eleanor
# Marazion memories. #
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Hot Chip!
How marvellous to have them back in this room.
Now I'm going to go this way,
forging my way through a million cameras.
Look at them run. See the movement.
Oh, the excitement of this!
This is what this show is - constant movement, constant excitement,
and now, at the piano, we meet Suede.
From Suede, Brett Anderson!
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It's so great to have you back on the show. Thanks so much.
I'm so pleased. When I say have you back... Shall I sit here?
You could sit there, the Inquisitor's Stool!
This is the Crucible of Torture? Yes, exactly. That's right, exactly.
I just say a simple thing and then you just break down in tears
and tell me everything.
OK, tell you all my secrets. Yes, exactly.
A lot of TV shows actually like to have people breaking down in tears.
I actually will not have that. No.
Well, you've got a bit more class than that. Thank you.
So it's great to have you back at the show. Thank you.
Before we talk about your new album,
you are celebrating 30 years in music.
30 years since our first single, The Drowners.
May '92.
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Who'd have thought it... Who would have thought it?
..that we'd still be here slogging away?
What have you learnt from all that time? Absolutely nothing. Excellent.
Um, what have I learnt? I knew you were going to ask this.
I thought about it.
I think you've got to learn to embrace your flaws,
as you can tell from our performance earlier.
Perfect performance. When you make mistakes, own them.
Yeah, it's all right. Making mistakes is part of being human.
Making music is...
I don't like music that sounds like it's made by computers. I agree.
I love music that sounds like it's made by human beings... Yes.
..and that's what we tried to do with this album...
All great art has to have a bit of humanity.
..which is full of mistakes. You have to have humanity in it, yeah.
I wouldn't say full of mistakes. Don't do it too hard.
A couple of mistakes.
Can you remember, you came on the show in 1993? Yes.
Do you have any memories at all of 1993? A couple.
No, I do remember that show cos I remember we were just about to go
to the States for the first time and you asked us to send you a postcard.
Did we send you that postcard? I think you did. I've got it. Did we?
I treasure it somewhere, yes. That's really nice of us, wasn't it? Yes.
It was written in very small spidery handwriting.
I'm not sure what you'd been doing, but anyway...
Something you don't want to know about probably.
..I was very pleased to get it. Hanging out with lots of spiders.
Now you've just released your ninth album... Yeah. ..Autofiction.
Where did that title come from?
Well, Autofiction is a literary genre.
It's a sort of a part-memoir and part-fiction kind of thing
and I thought it was a neat way of describing songwriting in a way,
cos when you're writing songs obviously you're using some truth
and you're playing around with fiction, as well.
I thought it was a nice way to describe songwriting.
Is it an autobiographical record? Always, yeah, always.
It's quite stark and quite truthful, I think.
Is it difficult writing about yourself?
I find it easier actually. I've always written about myself.
I found it easier with this record to kind of write really
honestly about myself.
It's supposed to be very much a record from the perspective
of a 55-year-old man, which is what I am.
I'm not pretending to be 25. That would be ridiculous.
So, yeah, it's hopefully quite an honest sort of record in that sense.
You opened the show with 15 Again... Yes.
..which is about you being 15 again, I guess?
Kind of, but it's supposed to be a bit more like about those
moments in life when you just have that joie de vivre, that kind of...
# You make me feel so young... # sort of thing.
Would you rather be 15 or would you rather be 55?
That's a really good question.
Ooh, that's a good question.
Um... I'd like to be 15 but know what I know as a 55-year-old man.
That'd be quite useful. That would be useful.
What would you tell the 15-year-old? Oh, God...
Don't varispeed your records cos it always sounds rubbish.
Just that, nothing else? Yes.
It won't mean anything to anyone born after, I don't know,
1990 whatever,
but there's a bit of varispeed that went on in the '90s that I regret,
so I'd say that.
That's quite a small regret to have generally in life.
It's a small regret.
There's bigger ones than that, but we haven't got long. No.
What's the next thing you're going to play for us?
It's actually a song I wrote about my mother.
It's a kind of song that's supposed to be a sort of song...
It's a song about loss but not about grief.
It's a song about how, when someone dies, that they
can still guide you through life.
Well, I'm really looking forward to hearing that
and thank you for putting it into context for us.
Thank you very much, Brett Anderson.
We'll be seeing Suede in a moment.
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Now we go to this corner for a rising star from South London
performing her latest single Cherry Wine.
We welcome Debbie.
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# Cherry cherry wine
# Am I too late?
# Am I too late for the party?
# Tell them don't start without me
# Take your time
# Give me five
# And I'll be right there
# I'll be around the corner
# When I'm outside I'll call you
# Don't leave my side
# I'm feeling shy tonight
# I'm not sure I want to be
# Out with all these people
# No, they don't seem my type
# Can you pour me something deep?
# Think I'm gonna need
# Something for the edge tonight
# My sweet cherry wine
# I need you by my side
# Cos I'm feeling the pressure tonight
# My sweet cherry wine
# I need you by my side
# Cos I'm feeling the pressure tonight
# At a table
# Your friends around me
# And a boy drinking brandy, yeah
# He's kind of fine Fine
# Should I say hi?
# But he's getting up and I've had enough
# Won't bother to chase him
# I don't even want to be in this place
# You're the one that wanted it this way, this way
# I'm not sure I want to be
# Out with all these people
# No, they don't seem my type
# Can you pour me something deep?
# Think I'm gonna need
# Something for the edge tonight
# My sweet cherry wine
# I need you by my side
# Cos I'm feeling the pressure tonight
# My sweet cherry wine
# I need you by my side
# Cos I'm feeling the pressure tonight
# Oh, no
# Oh, no, oh, no
# Oh, no-no-no-no
# My sweet cherry wine
# I need you by my side
# Cos I'm feeling the pressure tonight
# I'm not sure I want to be
# Out with all these people
# They don't seem my type
# Can you pour me something deep?
# Think I'm gonna need
# Something for the edge tonight
# My sweet cherry wine
# I need you by my side
# Cos I'm feeling the pressure tonight
# My sweet cherry wine
# I need you by my side
# Cos I'm feeling the pressure tonight. #
Thank you.
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Debbie. Wonderful.
Nice harmonisations.
Beautiful.
So earlier this month, in this exact same room which I speak now,
we filmed an entire set
from one of the biggest bands in the world today.
We broadcast that whole show on November 5th, but now let's have a
quick preview of this great band, whose new album came out yesterday.
This is Arctic Monkeys.
# Don't get emotional
# That ain't like you
# Yesterday's still leaking through the roof
# But that's nothing new
# I know I promised this is what I wouldn't do
# But somehow giving it the old romantic fool
# Seems to better suit the mood
# So if you wanna walk me to the car
# I'm sure to have a heavy heart
# So can we please be absolutely sure
# That there's a mirrorball?
# You're getting cynical and that won't do
# I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
# Darling, if I were you
# And how's that insatiable appetite
# From the moment when you look them in the eyes
# And say, "Baby, it's been nice."
# So do you wanna walk me to the car?
# I'm sure to have a heavy heart
# So can we please be absolutely sure
# That there's a mirrorball
# For meeee
# La, ohh
# Oh, there'd better be a mirrorball for
# Meeeeeeee. #
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Arctic Monkeys. You can hear more music and chats from them
as you're holding your sparklers and bangers on Bonfire Night.
And now a guest who last appeared on the show with Sleaford Mods.
We welcome Billy Nomates.
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
# My inner peace is broken into five
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# I'm entertained but I am not alive
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# I slip away and say that I've arrived
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# But everything is happening without me
# And now I hear the experts in the room
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# Saying things will all be over soon
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# I didn't have the right words at the right time
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# But everything is happening without me
# Ah, the state of you, ah, the state of me
# No-one will love us, we can't love each other
# I just go round and round
# My spirit guide has jumped from the fifth floor
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# I don't believe in healing any more
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# But I didn't have the heart to say it out loud
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# Ah, but everything is happening without me
# And every foot I push into the ground
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# It seems to end up pulling me back down
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# Does it frighten you that I'm still driving?
# The balance is gone, the balance is gone
# Oh, cos everything is happening without me
# Ah, the state of you, ah, the state of me
# No-one will love us, we can't love each other
# I just go round and round
# Ah, the state of you, ah, the state of me
# No-one will love us, we can't love each other
# I just go round and round
# I just go round and round. #
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Billy Nomates. Wonderful to have her.
We now welcome a top music writer who's just finished
an official biography of the legendary drummer Charlie Watts.
Please welcome Paul Sexton.
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Welcome to the show. Great to have you here.
Now, you've written this book, Charlie's Good Tonight,
the official biography. When did you first get to know Charlie?
I suppose the back story to all of this
is about 30 years of interviewing the whole of the band, actually.
Bill Wyman, first, I think, when he was still in the Stones
and then Charlie for the first time in 1991 on one of his jazz records.
And then he would be, I suppose, wheeled out sometimes less,
you know, sort of willingly than others
for every Stones record and tour after that
and I just kept getting asked back, which was to my great amazement.
You gradually build up some kind of a relationship, I suppose,
and that's definitely what happened with Charlie.
I mean, he was an extraordinary figure and it should be...
I should explain as well, people often underestimate how important
the drummer is. Yeah. You know, without a great drummer
the band can never be great. No. Once Charlie joined,
once they had that, they had all of those elements that they needed.
And he's probably one of the best-known drummers in the world
but how would you describe him as a person?
It took me quite a long time to figure him out because, you know,
he's an unusual, very private, extremely private man
from a very private family.
Erm, and his speech patterns are quite staccato
and you'd interview him, he'd get halfway through a sentence,
he'd stop and you'd think, "Is he finished? Do I jump in here?"
And then he'd suddenly start up again, you know,
so it's a bit like a car that's sort of stalled for a moment,
and he'd come back in, so you had t learn when to interrupt
and when to let him keep going, erm,
but a contradiction in many ways, you know, somebody who always said
how much he hated travelling, didn't like the rock and roll life
but loved being stage
and absolutely adored the rest of The Rolling Stones
and that was completely mutual, of course. Mm. And he did love playing
and there was... Like, he drew every hotel, cos he was on tour,
they must have toured more than anybody. They are the greatest
rock and roll touring group of all time, still. Yeah. He sketched
every hotel room he was every in.
From 1967, I think, was when that started.
Also he was, of course, a great...fan and very knowledgeable
about jazz. How did that manifest itself, do you think? Well, he would
listen to jazz...Charlie and his great lifelong friend Dave Green,
who lived next door to him in the prefabs where
they grew up in Wembley.
From a very early age, amazingly sophisticated taste, you know,
the age of 12, 13 he's listened to Gerry Mulligan
and admiring the drumming of Chico Hamilton
in that band... Charlie Parker. Charlie Parker, of course, yeah,
and Earl Bostic and all those kind of people.
And there's a picture of him here with Dave Green in the background.
I mean, that's great. Early days. There it is, 1959. Yeah.
Very young fellow just playing... Yeah, he'll be 18 in that picture
and already the most dapper looking gentleman... Exactly.
A man of great taste. Now, he also helped design all the sets
for The Rolling Stones. Yeah. He and Mick did lots of that together. That's right, yeah.
People don't realise that. No. Cos he'd been a graphic designer, hadn't he? That's right.
Yeah, I mean, again, very quiet about it. I remember one time interviewing him particularly
about that when the tour was about to start and he wouldn't give anything away,
you know, he wouldn't sort of tell me anything about what we were about to see in a few weeks' time
because the design of those things became more and more elaborate.
But his part in all of that was huge.
He and Mick collaborated on that the way they did on a lot of things.
I mean, they were really close friends, you know,
and they were all genuinely absolutely heartbroken when he died.
Yeah, of course. I think everybody was.
We've got a bit of footage cos he came in the show a couple of times
but he came on and he had this group that he had,
which I was a part of sometimes, called The ABC&D Of Boogie Woogie,
cos he loved that early jazz music. Sure.
As well as contemporary and modern jazz, he was just very openminded
but he loved that and we used to go and play these shows in Europe
with Axel Zwingenberger, Ben Waters, Charlie Watts and Dave Green -
that's ABC and D Of Boogie Woogie.
And we're going to show a little bit of footage of that in a moment.
What was your view of that? I loved it and, I mean, I wonder whether
he might have wished he done it a bit sooner because
certainly when you talk to him he was a different man
when he was talking about jazz, you know, he would really talk all day
and especially about other people's records.
He was so knowledgeable. I mean, if you mentioned Charlie Parker record
he'd know the exact line-up, who was on it, you know,
on every instrument and, erm,
totally different from his role in the Stones which, you know,
he was proud of The Rolling Stones
but he would never play their records.
He said to me once,
erm, he said, "When I'm rehearsing is the only time
"I know The Rolling Stones catalogue.
"Apart from that I've forgotten it." Strange attitude to it, you know.
It's been great learning things from Charlie's Good Tonight.
Where does that title come from?
So that is a reference to Mick's link in the live album
Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out! In-between two songs he just casually says
to the audience, "Charlie's good tonight, ain't he?"
And he was. We got a little bit of him with The ABC&D Of Boogie Woogie
on the show. Thank you for joining us. Paul Sexton! Thanks, Jools.
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
My dear friend, the wonderful Charlie Watts
and The ABC&D Of Boogie Woogie in 2009.
And if you'd like to learn more about Charlie Watts
you can go to the BBC iPlayer to watch his episode
of My Life As A Rolling Stone.
Now please welcome a remarkable musician from South Africa,
Abel Selaocoe.
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LYRICS UNTRANSLATED
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# When I think of all the things my mother said
# When I think of all the feelings I hid from her
# Oh, in many, many ways, I'm still a young boy
# Waiting patiently for 4pm
# But I loved her
# With my last breath
# And I loved her with a love that was strong as death
# And I loved her when she was unkind
# And I loved her
# Sometimes, when I look up at the sky
# She leads me on
# She still leads me on
# Sometimes, when I stare up at the ceiling
# She leads me on
# She still leads me on
# I wonder if her touch will ever fade
# Is she waiting in the garden for us to play?
# Oh, and in many, many ways I'm still a young boy
# With all these questions in my petrol-blue eyes
# But I loved her
# With my last breath
# And I loved her with a love that was strong as death
# And I loved her
# When she was unkind
# And I loved her
# Sometimes, when I look up at the sky
# She leads me on
# She still leads me on
# Sometimes, oh, when I just feel like screaming
# She leads me on
# She still leads me on
# Sometimes, sometimes, when I don't know what is mine
# She leads me on
# She still leads me on
# Sometimes, when I can't control my feelings
# She leads me on She still leads me on
# One, two
# Sometimes, when I look up at the sky
# She leads me on She still leads me on. #
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
Marvellous to have them back in this room. Thank you, Suede.
And thank you to all my beautiful guests, this evening.
We finish with Hot Chip.
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# To the ground, baby
# You sure know how to break it on down
# To the ground, baby
# Girl know how to break it on down
# You've got to work me until you get what you need
# Girl know how to break it on down
# You've got to work it until it breaks, don't you see?
# Girl know how to break it on down
# You've got to work me until I'm starting to bleed
# Girl know how to break it on down
Reset, erase me, till I lose sight of my dreams
# Girl know how to break it on down
# You've got to need me cos I mean nothing to me
# Girl know how to break it on down
# You've got to work me into the dust you can't see
# Girl know how to break it on down
# I'm on the edge of just screaming
# Screaming out your name
# But then I know that I'm dreaming
# Dreaming my life away
# Well, someone just had to stop me
# Take me out of the frame
# Girl know how to break it on down
# All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, oh, boy
# Girl know how to break it on down
# But if this is working, it makes my play null and void
# Girl know how to break it on down
# Until I met you, I never worked for one day
# Girl know how to break it on down
# But now we're working, this work is starting to pay
# Girl know how to break it on down
# You've got to use me until I run out of juice
# Girl know how to break it on down
# But don't replace me Maybe a screw has come loose
# I'm on the edge of just screaming
# Screaming out your name
# But then I know that I'm dreaming
# Dreaming my life away
# Well, someone just had to stop me
# Take me out of the frame
# To the ground, baby
# Break it down Don't bring me down, my baby
Break it down, right to the ground, my love
# Break it down, don't bring me down, my baby
# Break it down right to the ground, my love
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# Ooh-hoo-hoo
# Ooh-ooh-hoo
# Ooh-hoo-hoo... #