不 我什麼也看不見 No, I am so blind
我沒有眼睛 I've got no eyes
但最後我能感知 But I can finally see
我的世界只有黑暗 All I ever knew was darkness.
然後一道光閃過 Then it came like a bright blade,
沒有月亮 只有漫長而濃重的黑夜 without a single moon, a slow and blinding black.
我 俄狄浦斯 看到了一切 I, Oedipus, saw everything.
我看到了 I saw...
你 你 我看見你了 You. You. I see you.
你在幹什麼 用手機給我攝像嗎 What are you, filming me with your phone?
你知道我是誰嗎 You know who I am?
你以為你是誰 這是受版權法保護的 Who do you think you are? There are copyright laws!
你個小賤人 You little fucking bitch.
嘿 拉茲羅 再響亮一點 拉茲羅 Hey, Lazlo, fortissimo, Lazlo.
呃 我們 我們需要彼此配合 Uh, we... we need a double espresso, eh?
而不是一意孤行 Not a... not a single one.
我是說 我知道這是綵排 I mean, I know that this is a rehearsal,
而且 我知道 在正式表演前 and, I mean, you guys are not used to give it
你們通常都不會全力以赴 everything you have before the performance, but
但是我要告訴你們 讓音樂深入骨髓的唯一方法 I can assure you that this is the only way
就是每次都盡全力地表現 that this music is going to get into our bones.
這裡沒有你 There's no you.
沒有你們 No you.
沒有我 No me.
我們是擁有相同聲弦的 We are different harmonic strains
不同和聲 of the same vocal chord.
共同演奏 Together,
相互配合 如果我們連成一心 together, if we connect,
就能和那裡的人 together can communicate with them,
那些觀眾交流 with the people over there.
他想讓演奏快點還是慢點 Does he want it faster or slower?
按我說的做 Indulge me a little bit.
聽我的 把你們的樂器放下 Indulge me and put your instruments down.
放下 Put them down.
放下就行了 Just put them down.
音樂 The music...
並不在樂譜上 is not in the notes
而是在樂譜間的靜默裡 but in the silence between them.
大師 Maestro?
怎麼了 Yes.
到十分鐘的休息時間了 Time for a ten-minute break.
好吧 Okay.
休息十分鐘 Take ten.
這週末你要幹什麼 So what are you doing this weekend?
去薩格港一個富婆的婚禮上演奏 Hmm. Rich-bitch wedding gig out in Sag Harbor.
-至少有薪酬 對吧 -露天酒吧 - At least they pay us, right? - Open bar.
配樂是什麼 What's the score?
有誰知道WiFi密碼嗎 Does anybody happen to know the WiFi password?
Pizzicato Freak P和F是大寫的 Pizzicato Freak... capital P, capital F.
我想說 I'm just saying,
不要把口水濺在我身上 don't empty your spit valve on me.
你是故意那麼幹的 You're doing it on purpose.
四分之一盎司和一對Z形條 A quarter ounce and a couple of Z-bars.
一問就知道 Just ask and ye shall receive.
你得原諒我 You have to excuse me.
我更喜歡女洗手間 它 I always prefer the girls' bathroom. It's...
它乾淨多了 it's just cleaner.
你對我們滿意嗎 Are you satisfied with us?
不 不 No. No.
不滿意 但那是我的責任 沒關係 No, but that's my responsibility. It's okay.
我喜歡你的手鐲 I like your bracelet.
你指揮的時候我就注意到了 I noticed it when you were conducting.
我喜歡你的紋身 I like your tattoo.
-我的低音譜號 -你演奏的時候我看到的 - My bass clef? - I saw it when you were playing.
忍不住就看了 I couldn't help it.
你是說這個 You mean this one?
-這是個紀念物 -啊 紀念物啊 - It's a souvenir. - Ah, a souvenir.
另一個紀念物 Another souvenir.
我走之後 數到十 When I leave, count to 10,
然後再出去 好嗎 and then go out, okay?
好的 拜拜 Okay. Bye.
在女人的一生中 There area few things in life
有些東西永遠都看不到 that a woman should never see,
俄狄浦斯的外袍 and a view up Oedipus' toga
絕對是排在首位的 is definitely at the top of that list.
好吧 所以那個表演結束了嗎 Yeah. So the show, it's done?
永遠結束了嗎 It's, like, closed for good?
是的 海莉·拉特利奇運氣爆棚 Yep. Hailey Rutledge, good luck charm.
很難相信我花了這麼多年 It's hard to believe that I spent so many years
學習怎麼從一根管子裡吹氣 learning how to blow air through a tube.
我覺得 你不做這個會更好 I think you're probably better off without it.
你的任務完成了 我是說 你知道的 Your job being over, I mean, you know,
它可以讓你感受一些新的 新的能量 it could really open you up to some new... new energies.
是啊 我希望這些新能量 Yeah, well, I hope that these new energies
可以帶來點薪水 come with some kind of salary
因為我現在唯一的收入 because the only money I have coming in right now
是來自我當家教的工作 is from my one student
還有在紐約交響樂團演奏該死的雙簧管 and then a tiny check from the New York Symphony
得來的微薄收入 for dropping a fucking oboe.
哦 淡定點 Oh, cue the violins.
我想說的是 外面的世界很精彩 All I'm saying is it's beautiful out.
白天 你在和一個性感的男人喝酒 You're day drinking with a sexy man.
哦 哇哦 Oh, wow.
而且 你知道嗎 嘿 And, you know, hey,
如果 錢真的對你那麼重要 if... if money's so goddamn important to you,
我 我現在就能給咱們找個有薪水的工作 I... I can get us a paying job right now.
聽起來怎麼那麼不靠譜呢 It sounds, like, really, really suspicious.
呃 等一下 Uh, hang on a minute.
你好 有什麼能幫你的嗎 Yes? May I help you?
是的 呃 Yes, uh,
我是布拉福德·夏普 我是來採訪的 I'm Bradford Sharpe. I'm here for the profile piece.
噢 好的 當然 快請進 Oh. Yes, of course. Come on in.
請進 請進 你好 Come in, come in, come in. How are you?
-幸會 -幸會 - Nice to see you. - Nice to see you.
-太棒了 -是啊 - Wonderful. - Yes, yes.
很好 不錯嘛 Good, good, good.
我是這樣想的 So here, this is what I thought.
我們可以把攝像頭放在這裡 We could put the cameras here
因為我有一個 because I get such a...
對了 你看到我設計的BBC全景圖了嗎 By the way, did you see the BBC piece that I did for Panorama?
當然 那可真漂亮 Of course. It was a beautiful piece.
是啊 謝謝 它棒極了 Yes, thank you. It was excellent.
總之 我們把攝像機放在這兒 Anyway, put the camera here.
正好讓柔和的光線能透過大窗戶照進來 Get a nice, soft light from this big window here
因為這樣拍的效果更好 because it tends to feature my good side.
那麼攝像師呢 停車去了嗎 So where are the cameras? Are they parking?
沒有攝像頭 這是播客 There are no cameras. This is a podcast.
我是一個移動的採訪機器 I'm a one-man mobile interviewing machine.
我背包裡啥都有 I got everything I need in my backpack.
是嗎 這可真他媽讓人興奮 Really? Well, that's, uh, that's thrilling.
過來吧 那咱們就坐在這兒吧 Do come in. Let's maybe sit over here, then.
很好 棒極了 Great. Fantastic.
她吹得真棒 是吧 She's pretty good, right?
瑪麗阿姨桌角有只小金絲雀 Auntie Mary had a canary up the leg of her drawers.
你要唱這個麼 Is that about the level you'll...
謝謝你獻唱 這真是 Thank you. That's...
這是 這是我的榮幸 This is... This is a treat.
我看到你身後的這張照片 I'm looking behind you at this photo
是你在維也納指揮馬勒第五交響曲時照的 of you conducting Mahler's Fifth in Vienna.
我覺得 這是很有歷史意義的 To me, historic.
事實上 我覺得它從未被超越過 In fact, I don't think it's ever been topped.
謝謝 非常感謝你 真的 Thank you. I appreciate that, I really do,
因為我想那可能是 because I feel that that
我有生以來最棒的演出了 was probably the greatest performance that I've ever given,
當然 評論家也都這麼覺得 and, of course, the critics tended to agree.
好的 我們 我們開始吧 可以嗎 Hold on. Let's... Let's start. Let's... Should we begin?
噢 我以為採訪已經開始了 Oh, I thought we were.
-還沒有 -謝天謝地 - No. - I mean, good God.
-再說一遍 -好的 - Say that again. - Okay.
謝謝你 Thank you.
嗯 看這裡 Uh, let's see here.
好的 Okay
歡迎來到巴赫播報 Welcome "Bach."
這裡是雙面人格節目 That was Xenokis with "Analogique AB. "
您正在收聽的是B夏普的另一面 You're listening to another edition of "B Sharpe, "
一個專門研究古典音樂的音樂播客 a musical podcast where classical music is our forte.
我是主持人 布拉福德·夏普 I'm your host Bradford Sharpe,
說到犀利 這個詞 現在正坐在我對面的這位 and speaking of sharp, I'm sitting across from
可謂出類拔萃無人能敵了 the sharpest of the sharp:
托馬斯·彭布裡奇 國際指揮家 Thomas Pembridge, international conductor,
學士 還是著名的肖邦的音樂作品註解家 scholar, and famed interpreter of the music of Chopin.
自從他從音樂總監職位退休後 In his new role as musical director emeritus,
他一直非常 非常忙 he's a very, very busy man.
大師 非常感謝您百忙之中抽出時間 Maestro, thank you for making the time.
這是我們的榮幸 It is beyond an honor.
第一個問題 First question, and...
古典音樂已經消亡了嗎 is classical music dead?
這簡直是他媽的胡說八道 That is sheer and utter nonsense.
古典音樂從未如此有活力過 Classical music is as vibrant now as it's ever been.
羅德裡戈被稱為揮著警棍的巫師 Rodrigo has been described as a shaman with a baton,
擁有20英吋腰圍的天才 a genius with a 20-inch waist.
嗯 他絕對 呃 Well, he's definitely, um,
我覺得他的腰圍不止20英吋 I think a little more than a 20-inch waist.
知道麼 其實有28英吋 You know what? It's a 28.
只是上圍真的很小 It's just the top part was really little.
我要說一件事 Let me just say one thing.
可能很多人並不知道 但是 And this may not be common knowledge, but,
你知道 you know...
我曾經在指揮比賽中給一個年青人做過指導 I actually judged a youth conducting competition
這個人12歲就獲獎了 that he won when he was 12 years old.
那麼 聽著 我並不是在吹捧自己 Now, listen, I'm not taking total credit for what happened,
我是想說 嗯 but all I'll say is that, um,
他能走到這一步是我的功勞 it was my decision to bring him here.
恭喜 好的 聽你這麼說 Congratulations. Well, that said,
這感覺就像 呃 what does it feel like, um, you know,
我想引用下面這句話來表達我的想法 to hear that he said, and I quote,
紐約交響樂已經變成一具死屍 "The New York Symphony is a dead, irrelevant corpse"?
哦上帝保佑 媒體啊 The press, God bless them,
總是扭曲事實真相 are always taking things out of context.
但這就是白紙黑字 But, you see, that was the context.
不過是一句陳述的話 It was a single-sentence statement.
根本沒有別的 There is no context.
噢 我可不這麼想 下一個 Oh, I don't think so. Next.
嗯 Ahem.
好吧 這是我的採訪列表 Okay. That's my Chopin list.
嗯 與一個有爭議的政治團體合作 Um, is it difficult to work with someone
是不是非常艱難 known for his controversial political associations,
涉及他的公眾形象以及各方利益 his public endorsement of hallucinogens and their benefits,
更別說他和音樂表演藝術家 not to mention his wildly tempestuous relationship
安娜·瑪利亞那不正當的關係 with the performance artist musician Ana Maria?
是羅德裡戈派你來的嗎 Is this just going to be all about Rodrigo?
並不是 大師 恕我冒昧 但是 Maestro, with all due respect, no, but,
你懂的 我們必須承認 you know, we must admit that he
他已經成為整個樂團界的焦點 has become the focal point of the narrative.
噢 不好意思 Oh. Listen. Excuse me.
請等我一下 好嗎 Would you just hang on for one second?
我要去打個電話 謝謝你 I just have to make one quick call. Thank you.
-當然 可以 -謝謝 - Absolutely. Yes. - Thank you.
打擾下 Pardon.
勞駕 勞駕 Excuse me. Excuse me!
該死 Prick.
嘿 你 你好 Hey, you. You.
你是助理吧 Are you an assistant of some kind?
-怎麼了大師 -你聽著 - Maestro? - All right, listen.
幫我個忙 Listen, do me a favor.
十分鐘之後來敲我的門 Knock on my door in ten minutes
然後提醒我下個會議要來不及了 and tell me my next appointment can't wait any longer.
知道了嗎 Understand?
十分鐘 沒問題 Ten minutes. Got it.
很好 你叫啥 Good. What's your name?
額 小辛迪比·克奧羅斯 Uh, Sidney Bickarose, Jr.
好的 Yes.
哦 不對 Oh, uh,
-五分鐘之後去吧 -好的 五分鐘 - five minutes. - Five minutes, okay.
趕緊開啊 Please turn on.
現在可以開始我們的靜默交響樂了 And now we begin our silent symphony.
銅管樂器 來 Brass. Hit.
再響一點 Fortissimo!
嘿 拉茲羅 Hey, Lazlo?
如果一個人永遠停留在同一個位置 A man of superior talent will go to pieces
即使是天才也會瘋掉 if he remains forever in the same place.
-查查看吧 -出自沃爾夫岡·阿瑪多伊斯·莫扎特之口 - Look it up. - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.
-還不賴 -我給你讀個引言 - Oh. - I've got a quote for you.
紐約文化藝術的活力 "The heartbeat of New York City's artistic culture
來源於移民帶來的新血液 relies on the new experiences which immigrants bring."
拜託 我告訴過你 Please, I told you.
我對這些羅德裡戈的陳詞濫調十分反感 I'm sick and tired of these banal Rodrigoisms.
不 不 大師 No, no, maestro.
我是從你1988年的採訪裡找到這句話的 I'm quoting you from an interview you gave in 1988.
進來 Um, yes?
打擾了 大師 Pardon me, maestro.
恩 怎麼了小子 Uh, yes, Junior?
有點急事 Something urgent has come up.
恩 Mm,
你是說我的下個會議要開始了嗎 don't you mean my next appointment can't wait any longer?
不是 大師 是真的有急事 No, maestro, this is an emergency.
哦 好吧 給紐約時報的記者泡壺茶吧 Oh, uh, all right. Make The New York Times a pot of tea.
再問最後一個問題吧 This will have to be our last question.
我馬上來 I'll be right there.
大師 出事了 Maestro, there's been an accident.
別擔心 你馬上就能出院了 Come on. You'll be back in no time.
演奏匈牙利進行曲連二十歲的長號手都吃不消 The "Hungarian March" Would kill a 20-year-old trombonist.
我們一起開場的 We started out on this together.
也要我們一起閉幕才行 It's only fitting that we play our diminuendo side-by-side.
你可不能逃掉了 You're not going anywhere.
-我也是 -哦 不 - Neither am I. - Oh, no.
我已經穿膩了這件破舊的燕尾服 I'm tired of wearing this frayed old tuxedo.
親愛的 能問你個問題嗎 Sweetheart, mind if I ask you a question?
-隨便問 -你能代替我 - Anything. - Would you take my place as
做樂隊主席團的主席嗎 chair of the orchestra committee?
我可不喜歡和管理層打交道 I'd be terrible negotiating with management.
親愛的 你知道嗎 我己經老得 My dear, are you aware that this raspberry Jell-O
連覆盆子果凍都不能吃了 is not even on our current health plan?
我說真的 I'm serious.
不說吃的問題了 Meals are excluded.
我當真需要你的幫忙 We really need your help.
好吧 只好榮幸地接任了 Well, then I'm honored.
好吧 Well...
趕快好起來吧 兄弟 speedy recovery, old friend.
恩 Hmm.
原諒我 Forgive me
原諒我的衝動 for my passion.
大師 Maestro,
你有沒有過太渴望一件東西 have you ever wanted something so badly
以致於看不清它本身 that you just lose perspective of it?
前進路上總會有犧牲的 There may be casualties along the way.
堅持你的夢想吧 Stay the course.
任何事都會有代價 大師 No life without death, maestro.
很榮幸 I am honored
有你這樣的導師 to say that you are my mentor,
希望有一天我能說你是我的朋友 and hopefully one day I can say that you are my friend
如果我有這份殊榮的話 if I may be so deserving.
謝謝 Thank you.
你在裡面說的話真讓我驚訝 I was surprised by what you said in there.
有那麼一瞬間 我幾乎相信你是真心的 For a moment, I almost believed you were sincere.
我說的時候當然是真心的 I meant it when I said it.
托馬斯 Thomas.
你塗了眼線吧 Are you wearing eyeliner?
哦 Ohh...
我想死你啦 I have missed you.
我迫不及待想見你 I've missed seeing you...
-托馬斯 -排練的時候 - Thomas. - ... in rehearsal.
別在這 Not here.
那你說哪裡 Where, then?
你的地盤 Your place.
好吧 Oh, sure.
那樣正好合克萊爾的心意 不是嗎 Claire would just love that, wouldn't she?
你想讓我怎麼做 What do you want me to do,
用羽毛撓你的屁股嗎 tickle your ass with a feather?
你怎麼像個孩子一樣 You're acting like a child.
不 才不是 No, I'm not!
天啊 原諒我 God. Please.
這是啥 Hmm. What's this?
一個手鐲 It's a bracelet.
恩 真棒 你哪裡弄來的 Hmm. Nice. Where did you get it?
趕快好起來 勇敢的人 Get well, guapo.
噢 我很害怕 Oh, I'm dreading this.
不不不 你不會有事的 不會有事的 No, no, no. You'll be great. You'll be great.
你只需要進去然後說 You just got to go in there and say
我來是為了拿走我的錢的 "I'm here for my money,
我不在乎你們任何人的想法 and I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks about it. "
但問題是我在乎 Yeah, but the thing is I kind of do.
那麼 好吧 麻煩就在這了 Well, all right. Therein lies the rub.
嘿 嘿 嘿 Hey, hey, hey.
聽我說 你會很順利的 Listen, you'll be great.
噢 嘿 等等 等等 Oh, hey, wait. Wait, wait, wait.
等一下 Wait, wait.
好啦 Okay.
給 你的零錢 Here. Your cut.
-謝謝 -祝你好運 - Thank you. - Good luck.
-好的 -再見 - Okay. - Bye.
他已婚了 就是這樣 He's married. That's what's going on.
行了 有人來了 Ok, you know what? There's someone at my door.
等我給你回電話再說吧 I'm gonna call you back on this issue.
你要見我嗎 凱西 You wanted to see me, Kathy?
是啊 請進 Yes. Come in.
請坐吧 Please sit down.
D. D. 我坦率地講吧 D. D. , I want to be frank.
沒問題啊 但除非我是薩利 Okay, but only if I get to be Sally.
好搞笑 但這是正經事 That's funny, but this is serious.
我聽說了一些傳言 I've been hearing some rumors,
需要當面問你 and I need to ask you point blank.
你把毒品賣給管絃樂隊成員了嗎 Are you dealing drugs to members of the orchestra?
沒有 Mm-mm. Not true.
D. D. D. D.
好吧 我 Okay, look, my...
我的哥哥是醫生 my brother's a doctor,
有時候他會從醫院給我捎一些 and sometimes at the hospital he gets me...
我需要一些撲熱息痛 I need some Percocet.
沒問題 Yes.
你想要多少 How many would you like?
我從沒在我們成員系統裡見過你 I don't see you coming up in our system.
你工作了多久 How long was your employment?
呃 三四個小時吧 Uh, three or four hours.
噢 Oh.
哇哦 Wow.
讓我查一下 Let me try this.
啊 找到了 Ah. Here you are,
被羅德裡戈的全權帳戶加密了 coded under Rodrigo's discretionary account.
我沒法進入 I can't access that.
我得和他的助理談談 I'll need to bring this up with his assistant.
一會就回來 I'll be right back.
海莉·拉特利奇 給 Hailey, Rutledge, here you go.
89.35美元 $89. 35.
在這簽上字 Just sign here.
想要拿到錢的話 And you still need to
你還得在支票後面簽字 sign the back of the check to get the money.
謝謝你 Thank you.
謝謝 我可以提前取走羅德裡戈的支票嗎 Thanks. Can I get Rodrigo's check advance?
嘿 Hey.
剛才我看見你們在嘲笑我 I saw you laughing at me.
哈哈哈 Ha ha ha.
我已經夠尷尬的了 I'm already embarrassed enough as it is.
你用不著再拿這事刺激我 You don't need to rub it in my face.
我 我那麼努力地工作 You know, I've... I've worked really hard
只為了得到一個能在舞台上演奏的渺茫機會 to even have half a percent chance
我做到了 of playing on that stage, and I did it,
哪怕只有一秒 even if it was just for one second.
我希望 我希望我能拿走這張支票 And I wish... I wish I could take this check
然後把它裱起來 and I could frame it
掛在我的牆上 and I could hang it on my wall,
但我不能 因為我需要這89塊錢 but I can't because I need that $89.
你知道我花了多長時間 Do you know how many hours I've spent
來練習雙簧管嗎 practicing the oboe?
我26歲了 自從我記事起 I'm 26. I have practiced five hours a day
我堅持每週七天每天五個小時的練習 seven days a week since I can remember.
你為什麼不把這些錄入電腦 Why don't you tap that into your computer
然後算算這些意味著什麼呢 and figure that shit out?
製作舌簧 從沒有過社交生活 Making reeds, having no social life.
上初中前 I didn't know how to swim or ride a bike
我甚至不會游泳和騎單車 until well into middle school.
你們又花了多長時間坐在那張桌子後面 How long have you been sitting at that desk
練習如何挖苦別人 practicing how to be a bitch
和血口噴人的呢 and being fucking rude to people?
也許你們只是自然而然的那麼去做 Maybe you're just a natural at it.
你們能聽見頭髮麼 Can you hear the hair?
我聽不到 Because I can't hear shit.
我所能聽到的全部就是一個只會鸚鵡學舌的自大狂 All I can hear is an egomaniac with a fucking parrot.
哦 天吶 Oh, God.
大師 你能原諒我嗎 Maestro, will you ever forgive me?
既然做了這麼勇敢的事情就不要退縮 Do not do something so bold and then back away from it.
知道嗎 永遠不要 Okay? Never ever ever.
剛才你表現出的全部怒火 You know, all that crazy anger that you just expressed,
都應該衝著我來 it should have come to me.
知道嗎 身為一個經常被人們奉承的男人 As a man that people feel obligated to flatter,
聽到人們說實話會讓我舒服一些 it's always nice when people, like, say the truth, you know?
所以謝謝你 謝謝 我很感激 So thank you for that. Thank you. I appreciate it.
但說到事實 But talking about the truth...
走近點 Come.
我看中了你 I saw you.
你有天賦 You have talent.
你的演奏充滿激情 You play with blood.
我給了你上台的機會 I put you on that stage,
可你還沒準備好 and you are not ready.
你自己也明白 對嗎 You know that, right?
你是有天賦的 You have talent.
你有 You have it.
但誰知道呢 你知道嗎 And who knows, you know?
或許將來可以知道 Maybe in the future, something.
但是同時 But in the meantime,
如果你現在肯對我坦誠相待 if you remain as truthful as you are with me right now...
我想我可以給你一份工作 I think I can offer you a job.
只有很少的薪水 It's a very small salary.
但你能近距離接觸管絃樂隊 You can be close to the orchestra.
你可以從我這裡學到一切你想學的 You know, you can learn whatever there is to learn from me.
你可以練習你的音樂 You can practice your music.
可以幫我標注樂譜 You can help me annotate the scores, you know,
可以做我的副手 比方說 幫我做這個 and the mate, for example, you can help me make it.
這很容易 I mean, it's quite easy. It's...
首先你要把它傾斜45度角倒進去 You first pour it in... in a 45 angle.
就是說 這非常 我以後再和你解釋 好麼 I mean, it's very... I'll explain to you later, okay?
恩 都是很簡單的事情 It's like, uh, it's very easy.
你覺得怎麼樣 What do you say?
好的 大師 Yes, maestro.
-真的嗎 -是的 大師 - Truth? - Yes, maestro.
好 好的 Yes. Okay.
好的 Okay.
還有一件事 好嗎 One more thing, okay?
來 Okay.
拿著它 Grab it.
好的 Okay.
幫我把頭髮剪了 Cut the hair.
拿出你的激情 海莉 With passion, Hailey.