WITH US.
GOOD NIGHT FROM WASHINGTON.
I'M SHANNON BREAM.
♪ ♪
Tucker: GOOD EVENING AND
WELCOME TO "TUCKER CARLSON
TONIGHT"."
WE JUST LANDED BACK FROM
HELSINKI INTO THE NATION'S
CAPITAL, WHERE IT IS HOT AND
INTENSE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR
FULL EXTENDED INTERVIEW WITH THE
PRESIDENT FROM HELSINKI AND WE
ASKED HIM OF COURSE ABOUT
RUSSIA.
THERE ARE MANY MORE PRESSING
ISSUES ON THE WORLD STAGE, NOT
JUST ABOUT RUSSIA.
WE ASKED THE PRESIDENT ABOUT
THAT AS WELL.
WE'LL BRING YOU THE WHOLE THING
FIRST.
FIRST, TONIGHT WITH REMARKABLE
SPEED AND INTENSITY, THE MEDIA,
FOREIGN POLICY ESTABLISHMENT,
BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES HAVE COME
TOGETHER AS ONE TO ATTACK THE
PRESIDENT FOR HIS MEETING WITH
THE RUSSIAN
PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN.
ANDERSON COOPER, JOHN McCAIN,
MITT ROMNEY, THEY ALL DESCRIBEBE
THE PRESIDENT'S REMARKS ABOUT
RUSSIA AS DISGRACEFUL.
FORMER CIA DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN
CALLED TREASONOUS
AND GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT.
NANCY PELOSI AND
CHUCK SCHUMER ANNOUNCED THAT HE
WAS BEING BLACKMAILED BY A
FOREIGN POWER, OR A SPY, ONE
MEMBER OF CONGRESS CALLED FOR A
MILITARY COUP AGAINST THE
PRESIDENCY.
AS THE RAGE STORM SWIRLED,
THE PRESIDENT BOWED TO THE
INEVITABLE, GENUFLECTING BEFORE
U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WHOSE B
JUDGMENT MUST NEVER BE
QUESTIONED AND RECITED THE OATH
OF LOYALTY TO THE SPY
BUREAUCRATS IN CHARGE OF THE
COUNTRY.
IN A KEY SENTENCE IN MY
REMARKS I SAID
THE WORD "WOULD" INSTEAD OF
"WOULDN'T."
THE SENTENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN,
"I DON'T SEE ANYNY REASON
WHY IT WOULDN'T."
WHY IT WOULDN'T BE RUSSIA.
THE SENTENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
AND I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE
UNCLEAR ON THE TRANSCRIPTS OR
THE ACTUAL VIDEO -- THE SENTENCE
SHOULD HAVE BEEN, "I DON'T SEE
ANY REASON WHY IT WOULDN'T BE
RUSSIA."
SORT OF A DOUBLE NEGATIVE.
YOU CAN PUT THAT IN AND I THINK
THAT PROBABLY CLARIFIES THINGS
PRETTY GOOD BY ITSELF.HI
Tucker: SO THAT'S THE HOSTAGE
TAPE.
THE PRESIDENT BUCKLED TO
CRITICISM.
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS, HE BUCKLED
BUCKLED.
THAT HAPPENS, THIS IS POLITICS
AFTER ALL.
WHAT IS AMAZING, UNUSUAL, AND
OMINOUS IS WHO MADE HIM BUCKLE.
THE PEOPLE YELLING THE LOUDEST
ABOUT HOW THE RUSSIANS ARE OUR
GREATEST ENEMY AND TRUMP IS
THEIR PUPPET HAPPEN TO BE THE
VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
MISMANAGING OUR FOREIGN POLICY
FOR THE PAST FEW DECADES.UR
THE PEOPLE WHO INVADED IRAQ AND
WOULDN'T ADMIT IT WAS A MISTAKE,
THE PEOPLE WHO KILLED GADDAFI
AND PROLONGED THE HORRIBLE
SYRIAN CIVIL WAR
AND THREW OPEN THE BORDERS OF
EUROPE.
THE ONE STILL DEFENDING THE
POINTLESS AFGHAN CONFLICT B AND
EVEN NOW PLANNING BRAND-NEW
DISASTERS AROUND THE WORLD IN
LEBANON, IRAN, AND YES, IN
RUSSIA.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO MADE
AMERICA WEAKER, POOR, AND
SADDER.
THE GROUP WHOSE FAILURES GOT
TRUMP ELECTED IN THE FIRST
PLACE.
YOU THINK BY THIS LATE DATE,
THEY WOULD BE COMPLETELY
UNEMPLOYABLE, PICKING
UP TRASH BY THE SIDE OF THE
TURNPIKE SOMEWHERE BUT THEY'RE
NOT.
THEY ARE HOSTING CABLE NEWS
SHOWS AND HOLDING HIGH POSITIONS
OF INFLUENCE AT THETI
STATE DEPARTMENT.
THEY RUN VIRTUALLY EVERY
NONPROFIT PUBLIC POLICY
INSTITUTION IN WASHINGTON.
THEY ARE STILL IN CHARGE OF OUR
NATIONAL CONVERSATION AND
NATURALLY, THEY HATE THE IDEA OF
RETHINKING OR CORRECTING ANY OF
THE COUNTLESS BLUNDERS THEY'VE
MADE OVER THE YEARS AND THAT'S
ONE OF THE REASONS THEY HATEIN
TRUMP BECAUSE HE CALLS THEM ONY'
THOSE BLUNDERS.
BEING TRUMP, HE CAN'T ALWAYS
EXPLAIN PRECISELY WHAT HE MEANS
TO SAY, SOMETIMES HE GETSS
DETAILS WRONG OR HE GETS
SIDETRACKED WITH SOME PERSONAL
VENN DATA, AS IF ANYONE CARES
ABOUT THE RIDICULOUS JIM ACOSTA
GUY, NOBODY DOES.
ON THE BIG QUESTIONS
TRUMP IS INDISPUTABLY RIGHT.
THE COLD WAR IS OVER, THE WORLD
HAS CHANGED.
IT IS TIME TO RETHINK AMERICA'SIO
ALLIANCES AND ACT IN OUR OWN
INTEREST FOR ONCE.
RUSSIA IS NOT A CLOSE FRIEND OF
THE UNITED STATES.
THE QUESTION IS WHY SHOULD WE
CONSIDER RUSSIA A I MORTAL ENEMY?
OF COURSE RUSSIA SPIES ON US, SO
DO A LOT OF COUNTRIES.
SOME OF THEM FAR MORE
EFFECTIVELY THAN RUSSIA.
RUSSIA'S ATTEMPT TO MEDDLE IN C
OUR ELECTION WAS COMICALLY
AMATEURISH, BADLY TARGETED
FACEBOOK ADS
ALMOST NOBODY SAW.
COMPARE THAT EFFORT A TO THE DEEP
PENETRATION OF THE AMERICAN
INDUSTRY AND DEFENSE SECTOR BY
THE COMMUNIST COUNTRY OF CHINA
OR THE SWAY THAT THE GULF STATES
HAVE OVER THE POLITICAL PROCESS
OR THAT LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES
ARE CHANGING ELECTIONS BY
FORCING DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE AT A
RATE OF AMERICANS CONSISTENTLY
SAY THEY DON'T WANT.
THOSE ARE ALL MAJOR CHALLENGES
FROM FOREIGN POWERS TO OUR
AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, THEY
ARE REAL.
BUT NOBODY ON CABLE NEWS SEEMS
UPSET BY ANY OF IT.
WHY IS THAT?T
HERE IS ONE REASON: MANY IN
WASHINGTON ARE GETTINGGT RICH FROM
THE CHINESE AND THE SAUDIS.
LATIN AMERICANS CLEAN THEIR
HOMES AND WATCH THEIR KIDS.
THOSE COUNTRIES CAN'T BE OUR
ENEMIES IN THEIR VIEW.
NOBODY IS GETTING RICH FROM
RUSSIA, SO PUTIN MUST BE OUR
MORTAL FOE.
THAT IS WITH THE NEOCONS ARE
TELLING US WE MUST BELIEVE.
DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT?
NO SOBER PERSON WHO'S READ A
NEWSPAPER COULD RECITE THAT
TALKING POINT WITHOUT LAUGHING
BECAUSE IT'S STUPID.
THE ONLY OPTION IF YOU WANT TO
FORCE THE POPULATION TO ACCEPT
SOMETHING RIDICULOUS IS TO MAKE
SURE THEY DON'T THINK TOO MUCH
ABOUT IT, THAT THEY ARE QUIET,
THAT THEY DO WHAT THEY'RE TOLD.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, WATCH
WHAT HAPPENS TO TRUMP RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE, IT'S
LIKELY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT
BROKE INTO THE DMZ SERVERS
BEFORE THE LAST ELECTION.
IT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE
SOMETHING THEY MIGHT DO.
BEFORE WE ACT LIKE WE KNOW FOR A
FACT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AND GO
TO WAR WITH RUSSIA OVER THAT,
SHOULDN'T WE SEE SOME ACTUAL
EVIDENCE THAT IT HAPPENED?
MAYBE A SERVER OR AT LEAST A
CLEAR EXPLANATION OF WHAT
HAPPENED.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, THAT'S
WHAT HE ASKED FOR.
HOW DARE HE, THAT'S A TREASONOUS
THOUGHT.
HE'S A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, NOT
JUST A FEW OF THEM, ALL OF THEM
ARE SAYING IT IN UNISON.
THINK FOR A SECOND ABOUT WHAT
THEY ARE DEMANDING.
IF YOU DON'T AUTOMATICALLY
ACCEPT THE IMPRECISE,
NONSPECIFIC, NEVER EXPLAINED
FINDINGS OF SHADOWYVE INTELLIGENCE
AGENCIES OF LONG DOCUMENTED
TRACK RECORDS OF MAKING SERIOUSAD
MISTAKES, YOU'VE SOMEHOW
BETRAYED YOUR COUNTRY.
THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ASSURED YOU
THAT IRAQ HAD WEAPONS OF MASS
UR
DESTRUCTION, THE ONES WHO SAID
THE SHAH WOULD NEVER FALL IN
IRAN, THOSE PEOPLE MUST BE
BELIEVED WITHOUT QUESTION OR
ELSE.
ON TELEVISION, THIS GROUP IS
CALLED THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY, THAT'S AN ORWELLIAN
NAME IF THERE EVER WAS ONE.
WHAT IS THIS COMMUNITY WE HEAR
SO MUCH ABOUT?
DOES IT HAVE A ZIP CODE?
A PUBLIC LIBRARY SYSTEM?
A YOUTH FOOTBALL LEAGUE?
HOW LONG BEFORE CONGRESS STARTS
MENDING UNTHINKING OBEDIENCE TO
THE LAWMAKER COMMUNITY.
IT'S A COMMUNITY.
YOU MUST OBEY IT.
DISSENT IS UNPATRIOTIC AND IF
YOU DON'T AGREE YOU'RE WORKING
FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE HEADING AND
FAST.
IN SOME WAYS, THIS WHOLE STORY
IS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND WHAT
HE SAID AND WHAT HE DOES.
ON A DEEPER LEVEL, IT HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH DONALD TRUMP.
THIS IS ABOUT DEMOCRACY, WHETHER
OR NOT VOTERS RULE THEIR
COUNTRY.
IT TURNS OUT THE VERY PEOPLE
TELLING YOU THEY ARE SAVING OUR
DEMOCRACY ARE WORKING OVERTIME
TO TRY TO DESTROY IT S AND
SCOLDING YOU AS THEY DO.
YESTERDAY WE ASKED THE PRESIDENT I
ABOUT THIS.
TONIGHT WE ARE RUNNING FEWER
COMMERCIALS AND AIRING OUR
EXTENDED INTERVIEW
WITH THE PRESIDENT, HERE IS PART
ONE OF THAT CONVERSATION.
Tucker: THANKS FOR DOING
THIS.
THE REACTION TO YOUR PRESS
CONFERENCE IN WASHINGTON WASED
SWIFT AND INTENSE, FORMER CIA
DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN DESCRIBED
AS TREASONOUS AND AN
UNIMPEACHABLE DEFENSE.
WHY THE PUSH TOWARD CONFLICT
WITH RUSSIA IN WASHINGTON ON
BOTH SIDES?
President Trump: I THINK
BRENNAN IS A VERY BAD GUY,
A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENED UNDER
HIS WATCH.
I THINK HE'S A VERY BAD PERSON.
I THINK WHEN YOU WATCH PETER
STRZOK AND LISA PAGE, COMEY,
TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND McCABE,
WHO HAS BIG PROBLEMS I ASSUME --
YOU LOOK AT THE DECEPTION, M THE
LIES, WHAT'S GONE ON IN THE
LAST FAIRLY LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
BEFORE T I WON.
LONG BEFORE I WON AFRAID DURING
THE CAMPAIGN.
I GUESS PROBABLY DURING THE
REPUBLICAN WHEN I WAS FIGHTING
AGAINST 17 OTHER REPUBLICANS --
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A
LONG TIME.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT IN MY
OPINION ARE TRULY BAD PEOPLE.
THEY ARE BEING EXPOSED FOR WHAT
THEY ARE AND IT'S A SHAME THAT
IT HAS TO HAPPEN BUT IT'S REALLY
HURT OUR COUNTRY.
Tucker: THEIR VIEW IS THAT
THE UNITED STATES IS FOREVER IN
CONFLICT WITH RUSSIA, WHICH IS
OUR CHIEF GLOBAL ADVERSARY, AND
ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT
IS BETRAYING THE UNITED STATES.
WITHOUT TAKING A BOY THAT IS
TRUE OR NOT,
WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS THIS
BIPARTISAN CONSENSUS ON THAT
IN WASHINGTON?
President Trump: IT'S
INCREDIBLE YOU LOOK AT
WORLD WAR I AND WORLD WAR II,
THERE WAS GERMANY.
AND IN WORLD WAR II, RUSSIA LOSTWA
50 MILLION PEOPLE AND HELPED US
WIN THE WAR.
I WAS SAYING TO MYSELF, RUSSIA
REALLY HELPED US.
I'M NOT PRO-RUSSIA, PRO-ANYBODY,
I JUST WANT TO HAVE THIS COUNTRY
BE SAFE, I DON'T WANT NUCLEAR
WEAPONS -- EVEN PEOPLE THINKING
ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, RUSSIA AND THE
UNITED STATES CONTROL 90% OF THE
NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN THE WORLD.
GETTING ALONG WITH RUSSIA AND
NOT ONLY FOR THAT REASON, IT'S A
GOOD THING.
NOT A BAD THING.
Tucker: ARE THEY OUR CHIEF
ADVERSARY?
President Trump: STRONG
MILITARY BUT THEIR ECONOMY IS
MUCH SMALLER THAN CHINA.
I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD
ADVERSARY, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER,
WE CAN DO GREAT.
EVERYBODY CAN DO WELL AND WE CAN
LIVE IN PEACE.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND
I'VE WATCHED YOUR SHOW A LOT AND
I SEE HOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE MAGNIFICENT SIZE OF CHINA,
YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN
A FAIRLY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME,
THAT'S BECAUSE OF A LOT OF BADD
LEADERSHIP ON BEHALF OF THE
UNITED STATES, WE ALLOWED IT TOTH
HAPPEN, WE ALLOWED THEM TO MAKE
HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
RIGHT NOW, AS YOU SEE, AND
YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED THINGS
ARE HAPPENING --
WE HAVE TO BRING IT MORE INTO
LINE.
WE HAVE TO LEVEL THE PLAYING
FIELD BETWEEN THEE
UNITED STATES AND CHINA.
WE'VE INCREASED OUR NET WORTH,
WE'VE INCREASED OUR WORTH BY
MORE THAN $7 TRILLION SINCE THE
ELECTION.
WE'RE ABOUT TWICE THE SIZE OF
CHINA, OUR ECONOMY.
CHINA STILL HAS A MASSIVE
ECONOMY, THEY HAVE THE SECOND
BIGGEST BY FAR.
Tucker: SO NATO.
NATO WAS CREATED CHIEFLY TO
PREVENT THE RUSSIANS FROM
INVADING WESTERN EUROPE.
YOU DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS THAT
RISK, SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF
NATO RIGHT NOW?
President Trump: IT'S OKAY,'S
IT'S FINE, THEY HAVE TO PAY.
THEY WEREN'T PAYING, OTHER
PRESIDENTS WENT, THEY MADE A
SPEECH AND THEY LEAVE AND
NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN.
THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T PAY ISTH
NOT A NEW FACT, THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE KNOWN
FOR A LONG TIME.
OTHER COUNTRIES WERE DELINQUENT,
IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, WE
SAY THE WORD "DELINQUENT."
THEY DIDN'T PAY.
I WENT THERE THREE OR FOUR DAYS
AGO AND I SAID YOU'VE GOT TO PAY
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY
FROM 70-90.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY
90% OF THE COSTS TO DEFEND
EUROPE AND ON TOP OF THAT, THE
EUROPEAN UNION KILLS US ON
TRADE.
WE LOST $151 BILLION LAST YEAR
ON TRADE, THEY DON'T TAKE OURR
PRODUCT, OUR FARMERS' BEAUTIFUL
GOODS, THEY DON'T TAKE OUR CARS
AND IF THEY DO THE RATE OF TAXES
MANY TIMES WHAT WE WOULD CHARGE
THEM, WE ONLY CHARGE THEMHE 2.5%.
THEIR TARIFF IS SUBSTANTIALLY
HIGHER.
IN THE CASE OF CHINA, BE CHARGED
2.5%.
AND WHEN WE SEND A CARD TO
CHINA, THEY CHARGE US 25%.
PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T WANT TARIFFS
BUT HOW IS THAT FAIR WHEN ONE
COUNTRY GETS 25% AND ANOTHER
COUNTRY GETS TO IT A HALFY
PERCENT?
THE ONE GETTING 25 DOESN'T EVEN
WANT THE CARS.
THEY WANT THEM TO BUILD THOSE
FACTORIES BUILT IN CHINA.
THEY WANT THOSE FACTORIES BUILT
IN EUROPE.
NOW WE'RE DOING THINGS THAT HAVE
NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE IN THIS
COUNTRY AND YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING
ON.
IT'S BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO
WATCH.
Tucker: MEMBERSHIP IN NATO
OBLIGATES THE MEMBERS TO DEFEND
ANY OTHER MEMBER WHO HAS BEEN
ATTACKED.
LET'S SAY MONTENEGRO IS
ATTACKED.
WHY SHOULD MY SON GO TO
MONTENEGRO TO DEFEND IT FROM
ATTACK?
President Trump: I
UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU AREE SAYING.
I'VE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION.
MONTENEGRO IS A TINY COUNTRYRY
WITH VERY STRONG PEOPLE.
Tucker: I'M NOT AGAINST
MONTENEGRO OR ALBANIA.
President Trump: THEY ARE
VERY STRONG PEOPLE.
THEY MAY GET AGGRESSIVE.
CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ARE IN
WORLD WAR III.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE WAY IT
WAS SET UP.AN
DON'T FORGET, I JUST GOT HERE A
LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AND A
HALF AGO.
BUT I TOOK OVER THE CONVERSATION
FOR YOUR FOUR DAYS AGO AND I
SAID, YOU HAVE TO PAY.
AND THE SECRETARY GENERAL SAID
THAT BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP
LAST YEAR, WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL
$44 BILLION -- WITH A "B" --
RAISED FOR NATO.
THIS YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH
MORE THAN THAT IT WAS VERY
UNFAIR, THEY WEREN'T PAYING.
NOT ONLY WERE WE NOT PAYING FOR
MOST OF IT, ADD THAT TO YOUR
EQUATION ABOUT MONTENEGRO.
Tucker: AS HE TRAVELED
AROUND THE EUROPE, LOOKED AT
EUROPE OVER THE YEARS, CAN YOU
THINK OF A PLACE THAT HAS BEEN
IMPROVED BY MASS IMMIGRATION
MEANT OR MOVEMENTS OF LARGE
NUMBERS OF REFUGEES?
President Trump: NOT ONE.
I SAID THE IMMIGRATION POLICIES
IN EUROPE ARE A DISASTER, YOU'RE
DESTROYING EUROPE, YOU'RE
DESTROYING THE CULTURE OF
EUROPE, THE CRIME IS UP IN THOSE
AREAS, AND YOU'D BETTER TO DO
SOMETHING.
I TOLD THEM THAT.
IT'S NOT ME, IT'S NOT ANYTHING,
YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND THE
NUMBERS SPEAK.
THE CULTURE IS CHANGING RAPIDLY
AND THE CRIME RATE IS CHANGING
MORE THAN RAPIDLY.
YOU'D BETTER DO SOMETHING, I
TOLD THEM THAT.
Tucker: WHAT ARE THE
LESSONS FOR US?
President Trump: WE HAVE TO
BE STRONG ON THE BORDER, WE'RE
MUCH STRONGER THAN WE EVER WERE
AND OUR NUMBERS ARE MUCH H LOWER.
STILL, WE'RE GETTING THE WALL,
WERE PUTTING IN ABOUT $5 BILLION
WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE WALL
AND A $1.6 BILLION STARTED INTA
SAN DIEGO.
IT'S ALMOST COMPLETED IN THAT
AREA.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY ASKING
FOR IT, THEY PROBABLY GO DOWN AS
"WE DON'T WANT THE WALL" BUT
WHEN IT CAME TO THEIR BACKYARD,
THEY WANTED THAT WALL AND THEY W
WANTED IT FAST.
WE'VE STARTED THE WALL, WERE
GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE WALL,
WE HAVE STRONG IMMIGRATIONON
POLICIES -- OUR LAWS ARE SO BAD,
TUCKER, SOMEBODY COMES IN AND WE
END UP WITH A COURT CASE THAT
TAKES SEVEN YEARS AND PEOPLE
NEVER SHOW UP TO COURT.
IT'S SO BAD AND WE HAVE TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
IF THEY COME INTO OUR LAND WE
HAVE TO SAY, I'M SORRY YOU HAVE
TO LEAVE.
NOT I'M SORRY, PLEASE COME TO
COURT, WE'RE GOING TO PUT YOUU IN
COURT, YOU CAN COME BACK IN
THREE YEARS AND THEY NEVER SHOW
UP.
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW.
IT'S CRAZY.
Tucker: WHY DO YOU THINK SO
MANY POLITICAL AND CULTURAL
LEADERS IN THE UNITED STATES
DISAGREE WITH YOU AND ARE MAKING
THE CASE THAT BORDERSS ARE
THEMSELVES IMMORAL? C
President Trump: IT'S
STINCREDIBLE.
THE DEMOCRATS ARE FOR OPEN
BORDERS WHICH MEANS CRIME.
IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHAT DO
YOU THINK IT MEANS -- OPEN
BORDERS MEANS CRIME.
YOU LOOK AT MS-13 AND WE STOP
THEM BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE
COULD IT BUT WHEN THEY GET
THROUGH -- AND THEN WE SEND
I.C.E. BECAUSE B12 IS TOUGHER
THAN THEY ARE.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A BIG MOVE
TO TRY TO GET RID OF I.C.E.
MS-13, THESE ARE TOUGH, VICIOUS
PEOPLE, THEY LIKE USING KNIVES
BETTER BECAUSE IT'S MORE
PAINFUL.
THESE ARE VICIOUS PEOPLE, YOUOF
KNOW THE STORY, YOU COVER IT
PLENTY.
I.C.E. GOES IN AND GETS THEM
OUT.
THEY PUT THEM IN JAIL OR THEY
THROW THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY
AND THEY DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT
IT.
THERE'S A MOVEMENT TO GET RID OF
I.C.E.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE TOUGH PEOPLE
DOING THAT JOB, YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE CRIME LIKE YOU'VE NEVER
SEEN IT.
IT IS INCREDIBLE, THE DEMOCRATS
WANT OPEN BORDERS WHICH IS
BASICALLY SAYING WE WANT OPEN
BORDERS, WE WANT CRIME.
Tucker: WHY DO YOU THINK
THEY WANT THAT?
President Trump: MAYBE
IT'S A POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY THEY
GREW UP WITH, MAYBE THEY LEARNED
IN SCHOOL, MAYBE THEY ARE FOOLS,
I DON'T KNOW.
Tucker: PART TWO OF OUR
INCLUSIVE EXTENDED INTERVIEW
WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, BUT FIRST,
PROFESSOR STEPHEN COHEN ISIB
ONE OF THE PREEMINENT RUSSIA
EXPERTS IN AMERICA, HE'S A
NATION" MAGAZINE AND HE JOINS US
TONIGHT FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE IN
THIS CONVERSATION.
YOU HAVE FOLLOWED THIS COUNTRY
FOR 50 YEARS AND KNOW MANY OF
THE LEADERS PERSONALLY.
GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT IS AT
STAKE IN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT
RUSSIA FOR THE UNITED STATES.
FOR 75 YEARS, THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES,
BEGINNING WITH ROOSEVELT,
HAS MET THE LEADER OF THE
KREMLIN, BEGINNING
WITH EISENHOWER IN THE ATOMIC
AGE, THE MAIN PURPOSE WAS TO
AVOID WAR WITH RUSSIA.
RIGHT NOW, WE ARE IN A NEW
COLD WAR FOUGHT WITH HOT WAR
FROM UKRAINE TO THE BALTIC
REGION TO SYRIA.RO
PRESIDENT TRUMP DID NOT HAVE A
CHOICE, HE HAD TO GO AS HIS
PREDECESSORS DID, TO MEET WITH
THE LEADER OF THE KREMLIN,
PUTIN.
AND HE DID.
WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY
DECIDED, WE WILL LEARN.
NEVER, NOT ONLY IN MY LIFETIME
OR HISTORY, HAS A PRESIDENT
COMING BACK FROM DOING HIS DUTY
TO AVOID WAR WITH RUSSIA BEEN
GREETED WITH THIS PORNOGRAPHY
PASSING AS NEWS ANALYSIS AND
COMMENTARY.
HE IS LITERALLY BEING CALLED
TRAITOROUS, TREASONOUS, AND I
DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
DO BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T DISCUSS
THE ISSUE, HOW CAN
WE THINK ABOUT OUR POLICY?HI
BUT THERE IS A GOOD PIECE OF
NEWS AND I WILL STATE IT
QUICKLY.
EVER SINCE THE SOVIET UNION
ENDED, RELATIONS WITH RUSSIA
HAVE GOTTEN WORSE AND WORSE AND
NOW WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.
WE ASK OURSELVES WHY DID THATT
HAPPEN, COMMUNISM IS GONE.
THE SOVIET UNION IS GONE.
THE ANSWER HERE IS ALWAYS THAT
IT'S AN ORTHODOXY, IT'S
BIBLICAL.
YOU CAN'T DESCEND FROM IT
WITHOUT THE ACCUSED BEING OFLI
PRO-KREMLIN.
THE ANSWER IS RUSSIA IS TO
BLAME, PUTIN IS TO BLAME, THE
UNITED STATES HAS DONE NOTHING
WRONG.
NOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES HAS SAID SOMETHING P
ABSOLUTELY HERETICAL.
HE SAID AT FIRST IN A TWEET AND
THEN AFTER THE MEETING WITH
S
PUTIN.
IT WAS VERY SIMPLE BUT IT WAS
PROFOUNDLY TRUE.
HE SAID WE HAVE BAD RELATIONS
TODAY BECAUSE BOTH SIDES ARE TO
BLAME.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT
UNDERLIES THEIR FURY AT HIM.
HE HAS BECOME A HERETIC IN THE
AMERICAN POLICY SYSTEM.
HE HAS CHALLENGED THE
FUNDAMENTAL AXIOM OF AMERICAN
FOREIGN POLICY FOR 25 YEARS.
Tucker: IT'S STUPID.
WHAT'S TRUE IN FOREIGN RELATIONS
IS TRUE IN MARRIAGE, IT'S ALWAYS
A JOINT EFFORT TO SCREW
SOMETHING UP.
[LAUGHTER]
IT IS TRUE, ACTUALLY.
AND I'M NOT GOING THERE NO
MATTER WHAT YOU SAY.
Tucker: GIVE US A SENSE OF
THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT'S AT
STAKE HERE, FOR A LOT OF
AMERICANS, IT'S A POLITICAL
STORY, BUT IT'S ALSO
GEOPOLITICAL STORY.
IT'S A COUNTRY WITH A LOT
OF WEAPONS THAT SEES THE WORLD
DIFFERENTLY FROMEE US, WHAT ARE WE
PLAYING WITH HERE?
LEAVE THIS RUSSIAGATE ASIDE
BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND A FACT TO
SUPPORT IT.
WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE --
IN THIS REGARD, I SAY THREE
CHEERS FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP.
HE HAS SAID, LOOK, WE ARE IN A
DANGEROUS SITUATION WITH RUSSIA
AND IT'S NOT JUST RUSSIA TO
BLAME, WE ARE TO BLAME.
WE DID WRONGHEADED THINGS BACKIT
IN THE '90s.
AND SINCE.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THIS IS ME
SPEAKING NOW, HAVING
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, IS HAVE A
DISCUSSION OF WHERE OUR POLICY
TOWARD RUSSIA WENT WRONG, FIRST
UNDER CLINTON, THEN UNDER BUSH,
THEN UNDER OBAMA.
IT IS FULLY BIPARTISAN BUT
WHAT TRUMP HAS GIVEN US, IF THE
MEDIA WOULD ALLOW HIM, IS AN
OPPORTUNITY DO YOU RETHINK.
AND IF YOU DON'T RETHINK, HOW DO
YOU GET POLICY RIGHT?
IF YOU DON'T GET POLICY RIGHT,
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WAR.
Tucker: IT'S LIKE "SEINFELD,"
REFUSES TO LEARN
ANYTHING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, IT'S GREAT
TO SEE YOU.
NEXT, A DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKER SAYS
THE SUMMIT MEETING YESTERDAY
BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND
VLADIMIR PUTIN IS LITERALLY
TREASON AGAINST THIS COUNTRY, HE
JOINS US NEXT TO EXPLAIN.
THE PRESIDENT TALKED TO US ABOUT
A LOT MORE, SOME OF WHAT HE SAID
MAY BE SURPRISING, OUR T EXTENDED
INTERVIEW WITH HIM IS JUST
AHEAD, WE'LL BE BACK IN 60
SECONDS.
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THE DEFINIT
I LOOKED UP THE DEFINITION OF
TREASON AS SOON AS PEOPLES
STARTED SAYING IT WAS TREASON.
INDEED IT IS.
IT IS JUST AS IT SERIOUS TO ME
AS THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS IN
TERMS OF AN ATTACK OR THE 9/11
ATTACK.
THE PRESIDENT IS TAKING THE SIDE
OF THE PEOPLE WHO ATTACKED US
INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PREVENT A
FUTURE ATTACK.
I WOULD SAY THAT HIS PERFORMANCE
TODAY WILL LIVE IN INFAMY AS
MUCH AS THE PEARL HARBOR ATTACKDA
OR KRISTALLNACHT.
Tucker: IMAGINE HOSTING
THAT SHOW AND SOMEBODY SAYS THIS
IS LIKE PEARL HARBOR, WOULDN'T
YOU SAY WHAT?
BUT THEY DIDN'T.
NOTHING IS BEING HELD BACK IN
THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT RUSSIA, H
THIS MASS HYSTERIA, BUT SOME
LITERALLY IN THE CONGRESS ARE
ROOTING FOR A MILITARY
GOVERNMENT OR A WORLD WAR OR
BOTH.
CONGRESSMAN ADAM SMITH
REPRESENTS WASHINGTON.
HE RELEASED THE STATEMENT
DESCRIBING TRUMP'S REMARKS IN
HELSINKI AS "TREASON."RE
HE JOINED US NOT TO EXPLAIN IT.
CONGRESSMAN, THANKS A LOT FOR
COMING ON.
YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE
PRESIDENT'S VIEW ON HOW THE
UNITED STATES OUGHT TO APPROACH
RUSSIA, IT'S A POLICYIA
DISAGREEMENT.
THAT'S TREASON?
THAT'S NOT.
LET ME JUST SAY, AS I UNDERSTAND
THE LAW NOW, AS I LOOK AT IT,
THE REMEDY FOR A CRIME BY THE
PRESIDENT IS IMPEACHMENT.
Tucker: HOW IS IT A CRIME
TO DISAGREE WITH YOU, WHO IS
THE FASCIST HERE?
LET ME TELL YOU WITH A CRIME
IS.
THE FBI JUST YESTERDAY -- A
COUPLE DAYS AGO -- INDICTED 12
HIGH-RANKING RUSSIAN OFFICIALS
WERE HACKING INTO AND
INFLUENCING THE U.S. ELECTION.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DISPUTE
OVER HERE.
Tucker: I'M NOT DISPUTING
IT HAPPENED.
IT ABSOLUTELY HAPPENED.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES HAS SYSTEMATICALLY
TRIED TO UNDERMINE THE
INVESTIGATION IN FRONT OF THE T
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY
BASICALLY SIDING WITH A HOSTILE
FOREIGN POWER.
WE HAVE A HOSTILE FOREIGN POWER
WHO ATTACKED US.
Tucker: DOUBTING THE
CONCLUSIONS OF THE INTEL P
COMMUNITY IS NOW TREASON.
IT'S A CRIME TO DOUBT WITH AN
INTEL AGENCY SAYS?
THEY SIDE WITH A HOSTILE
FOREIGN POWER.
Tucker: TO HAVE OPINIONS
YOU DON'T LIKE AND TO ASK
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE IMPRECISE,
THE NEVER FULLY EXPLAINED
CONCLUSIONS OF A POWERFUL
AMERICAN --
THEY HAVE BEEN FULLY
EXPLAINED.
Tucker: REALLY?
THEY HAVE.
Tucker: I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING
VERY CAREFULLY AND I HAVE A LOT
OF QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO NEED MORE THAN
TEN SECONDS TO EXPLAIN THIS SO I
WILL TRY.
Tucker: WHERE'S THE CRIME?
THE CRIME IS THAT THEY HACKED
INTO OUR -- THE DNC SERVERS AND
IT DID A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER
DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGNS TO
TRY TO INFLUENCE THE ELECTION, AN
FOREIGN POWER TRIED TO DO I THAT.
THAT IS CLEARLY THE CRIME.
ALSO IN THIS INDICTMENT, IT
SHOWS THAT 12 RUSSIAN OPERATIVESHA
HAD REGULAR CONTACT WITH HIGH
RANKING TRUMP OFFICIALS.
Tucker: MY FAULT.
WHAT IS THE CRIME THE PRESIDENT
COMMITTED IN DOUBTING THE
INDICTMENT?
THESE ARE INDICTMENTS, THIS
ISN'T A PRODUCT OF A JURY TRIAL.
THESE ARE CHARGES.
BY DEFINITION THEY AREN'T
PROVEN.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU DOUBT
CHARGES BROUGHT BY THE
GOVERNMENT AGAINST SOMEBODY,
YOU'RE A S CRIMINAL.
NO, I'M SAYING IF YOU ATTEMPT
TO OBSTRUCT THE INVESTIGATION --
Tucker: HOW IS HE
ATTEMPTING TO OBSTRUCT IT BY
DOUBTING IT ON STAGE YESTERDAY?
HE'S SIDING WITH A FOREIGN
POWER.
Tucker: HAVING THE SAME
OPINION AS VLADIMIR PUTIN IS A
CRIME?
BASICALLY UNDERMINING THE
ABILITY TO DO THE INVESTIGATION
IS A CRIME.
Tucker: I WAS THERE IN
HELSINKI, I DIDN'T AGREE WITH
EVERYTHING HE SAID, BUT I AGREE
WITH THIS, WHERE'S THE SERVER?
WHY DIDN'T THEY EXAMINE THE
SERVER?
I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT
QUESTION.
I DO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE
QUESTION.
Tucker: OKAY, BUT I DON'T.
DOES THAT MAKE ME A CRIMINAL FOR
ASKING?
HE'S NOT A CRIMINAL FOR
ASKING THAT QUESTION, HE'S NOT A
CRIMINAL, PERIOD.
HE POTENTIALLY HAS COMMITTED
IMPEACHABLE CRIMES.
Tucker: YOU SAID HE
COMMITTED TREASON IN A STATEMENT
STATEMENT.
THAT WAS AN OVERSTATEMENT AND
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE TERM OF
ART WHERE TREASON IS CONCERNED.
Tucker: YOU GET IMPEACHED
FOR A CRIME.
HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANORS.
Tucker: WHAT SCARES ME
ABOUT YOU IS AS A LAWMAKER,, YOU
WOULD EVEN THINK THAT
DISAGREEMENT IS A CRIME.
IT IS NOT.
Tucker: YOU SAID IT WAS.
YOU SAID I SAID IT WAS.
I HAVE NOT SAID THAT IT WAS.
WHAT I HAVE SAID CONSISTENTLY IS
WHAT TRUMP DID TRYING TO GET
COMEY BACK OFF OF LYNN, WHAT HE
DID IN FIRING COMEY COMMODE WHAT
TRUMP HAS DONE CONSISTENTLY,
CALLING THIS INVESTIGATION A A
WITCH HUNT, FAKE NEWS --
Tucker: YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED
TO CRITICIZE THE INVESTIGATION?
AM I ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE THE
FBI?ED
WILL I BE ARRESTED?
WHAT IF I THINK THE FBI IS --
YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.
BUT IF YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES AND YOU TAKE
STEPS TO UNDERMINE THE
INVESTIGATION --IN
Tucker: WHY IS IT
EXPRESSING YOUR UNDERMINING IT?
I WOULDN'T USE THE TERM
WITCH HUNT BUT --
YOU SKIPPED OVER A VERY
IMPORTANT THING.
Tucker: THE PRESIDENT SPOKE
ON CAMERA TO THE WORLD AND
SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT HE SAID A
YESTERDAY THAT YOU BELIEVEUT YOU
BELIEVE CONSTITUTES A CRIME.
THAT'S A THREAT TO ALL OF US IF
WE HAVE LAWMAKERS SAYING THAT
PUBLIC REMARKS ARE A CRIMINAL
ACT AND I WANT TO GET REALLY
PRECISE ABOUT WHAT HE DID
YESTERDAY THAT YOU BELIEVE
QUALIFIES HIM FOR AN IMPEACHMENT
TRIAL?
HE'S UNDERMINING THE
INVESTIGATION BY CITINGG
A FOREIGN POWER THAT COMMITTED A
CRIME OVER OUR OWN JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT.
AS PRESIDENT, UNLIKE YOU ARE ME
OR ANYBODY ELSE, HE IS THE HEAD
OF THIS INVESTIGATION
TECHNICALLY.
HE'S THE PRESIDENT.
HE IS IN CHARGE OF THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT.
HE'S IN CHARGE OF ALL OF IT.
Tucker: NO, WE HAVE AN
INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, AS YOU
KNOW.
HIM WHO HE HAS THE RIGHT TO
FIRE.
Tucker: IF HE FIRED HIM,
YOU WOULD IMPEACH HIM.
WHY DO YOU COME ON THE SHOW AND
PLAY SILLY GAMES WITH ME?
HE HAS AT STEP AFTER STEP
AFTER STEP ATTEMPTED TO
UNDERMINE --
Tucker: YOU MAKE ME WANT TO
CRITICIZE MY GOVERNMENT EVEN
MORE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT IS MY
PATRIOTIC RIGHT.
IT IS YOUR PATRIOTIC RIGHTS.
Tucker: BUT I WORRY YOU'RE
GOING TO DROWN ME UP ON A CRIME.
I DIDN'T ACCUSE HIM OF A
CRIME FOR DISAGREEING WITH ME, I
ACCUSED HIM OF A CRIME FOR
TRYING TO COVER UP, WHICH THE
RUSSIANS DID.
AND ALSO I SAID IN MY STATEMENT
THAT WE SHOULD SEE MUELLER'S
INVESTIGATION BEFORE WE PROCEED
WITH ANY OF THIS.E
Tucker: I DON'T THINK
PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE DISSENT IS
CRIMINAL SHOULD BE ENTRUSTED
WITH POWER, DO YOU?
I JUST SAID I WANTED TO SEE
MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION BEFORE
WE GO FORWARD.
I WILL SAY IT WAS NOT WELL
CHOSEN -- I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.
Tucker: I KNOW!
THAT IS WHY I AM SO WORRIED
ABOUT THIS MOMENT.
I AM AWARE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
HAVE SAID THIS IS A CRIME.
I, AS THE LAST CIVIL LIBERTARIAN
IN WASHINGTON --
IT IS NOT DISSENT, WHAT IS A
CRIME IS OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE.
Tucker: THEY'RE BARKING AT ME
I GOT TO GO, THANKS FOR
EXPLAINING THAT.
WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE AUDIO
ISSUES WE HAD WITH THAT SEGMENT,
PART TWO OF OUR FULL, EXTENDED
Tucker: NOW THE SECOND HALF
OF OUR INTERVIEW FROM HELSINKI
WITH THE PRESIDENT.
HE HAD A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THE
MUELLER INDICTMENTS.
A VERY INTERESTING EXCHANGE ON
ANGELA MERKEL, WHETHER SHE OR
VLADIMIR PUTIN IS ALOLO BETTER
LEADER FOR THEIR PEOPLE AND
MORE.
HERE IT IS.
Tucker: YOU SPOKE WITH THE
RUSSIAN PRESIDENT ABOUT THE
HACKING OF THE DNC SERVERS.
THOSE INDICTMENTS WERE ANNOUNCED
JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE YOU
LEFT, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE
TIMING OF THOSE INDICTMENTS?
President Trump: I DON'T
THINK OF THE TIMING AS MUCH AS I
THINK OF OTHER TIMING.
BARACK OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT.
I WASN'T PRESIDENT WHEN THIS
HAPPENED.
BARACK OBAMA WAS THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES WHEN ALL OF
THIS -- WHEN I WAS GETTING
ELECTED.
I WAS BEING ELECTED, I ASSUME
ALL OF THIS STUFF TOOK PLACE IN
THAT AREA OR BEFORE.
HE WAS PRESIDENT AND THEY
INFORMED HIM OF IT AND HE DID
NOTHING.
AFTER I WON, HE THOUGHT
HILLARY WAS GOING TO WIN, AFTER
I WON HE SAID IT'S A BIG DEAL --
IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL AS LONG AS
SHE WON.
IT'S A DISGRACE AND IT'S A
DISGRACE WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OUR
COUNTRY.
Tucker: WOULD IT BE
POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO DIRECT THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, FBI, TO
TAKE POSSESSION OF THE SERVERPA
AND HAVE -- ASSUMING NO
GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATORS LOOKED
AND GET TO THE BOTTOM OF
IT?
President Trump: AS I'VE
TOLD YOU, THE ANSWER IS
ABSOLUTELY IT IS POSSIBLE AND
MAYBE AT SOME POINT IT WILL BE
DONE.
I WANTED TO STAY OUT.
MY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS THE
ONE BRANCH, THE ONE GROUP I'M
VERY LITTLE INVOLVED IN, SAME
WITH THE FBI, AND AM I
DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY'RE NOT
LOOKING AT ALL OF THE CROOKED
THINGS TAKING PLACE ON THE OTHER
SIDE LIKE THE PAKISTANI MAN WHO
LEFT WITH THE THREE SERVERS?
WHO KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT
SHULTZ?
KNEW EVERYTHING.
DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ.
I BELIEVE THEY EVEN HAD HIM AND
THEY DON'T WANT TO USE HIM.
FOR THE DNC, THE SERVER WAS
NEVER TAKEN BY THE FBI.
THEY WENT IN THERE AND
PODESTA OR SOMEBODY THREW HIM
OUT OF THE OFFICE THEY SAID GET
OUT OF HERE.
YET THEY GO AFTER OTHER PEOPLE
LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW.
I HAVE PURPOSELY -- YOU
UNDERSTAND THAT, I SPOKE TO YOU
ABOUT IT BEFORE, AS THEY SAID,
YOU ARE WHEN THEY, DON'T GET
INVOLVED.
D
THEY HAVE PEOPLE ACCUSING ME OF
OTHER THINGS.
I'VE STAYED VERY MUCH
UNINVOLVED.
AM I ALLOWED TO BE INVOLVED?
TOTALLY.
WILL THEY BE INVOLVED?
WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW IT GOES.
PEOPLE ARE FINDING OUT A LOT OF
THINGS THAT THEY NEVER THOUGHT
AND IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THE IG
REPORT, IT WAS AN UNBELIEVABLE
REPORT EXCEPT AT THE END WHERE
THEY SORT OF TRY TO BE
POLITICALLY CORRECT.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BIAS, THERE
HAS NEVER BEEN BIASED LIKE THAT.
STRZOK, ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT
WAS TOTAL BIAS.
THAT REPORT WAS A GOOD REPORT
EXCEPT FOR THE BASIC CONCLUSION.
WHICH WASN'T EVEN BAD. B
Tucker: HAVING MET WITH,
TALKED TO, WATCHED CAREFULLY
ANGELA MERKEL IN GERMANY AND
VLADIMIR PUTIN IN RUSSIA, WHO DO
YOU THINK FROM THE PERSPECTIVE
OF THEIR COUNTRIES DOES THE
BETTER JOB REPRESENTINGTT
THE INTERESTS OF THEIR
COUNTRIES?
President Trump: ANGELA WAS
A SUPERSTAR UNTIL SHE ALLOWED
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME INTO
GERMANY.
THAT WILL REALLY HURT HER BADLY,
AS YOUE KNOW.
SHE WAS UNBEATABLE IN THE
ELECTION.
SHE ALLOWED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
TO COME IN AND WHEN THEY CAME
INTO GERMANY THEY PASSED
EVERYWHERE ELSE AND THEY WENT TO
OTHER COUNTRIES, HUNGARY
WOULDN'T TAKE ANY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULDN'T.
IT WAS THE GREAT MIGRATION.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S HURT ANGELA, I
DON'T WANT TO SAY WHO IS BETTER
BUT I WILL SAY THIS, SHE'S BEEN
VERY BADLY HURT BY IMMIGRATION.
VERY, VERY BADLY.
Tucker: CHINA IS A VERY
RICH COUNTRY AS YOU OFTEN SAY,
HOW MANY REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS
DO THEY ALLOW?
President Trump: I WOULD
SAY PROBABLY NONE.
Tucker: WHY IS THAT?
President Trump: HOW ABOUT
ASKING ME ABOUT JAPAN,
SOUTH KOREA, A LOT OF OTHER
COUNTRIES WHO ARE VERY
SUCCESSFUL?
Tucker: IS THERE PRESSURE
ON THOSE COUNTRIES TO ALLOW
REFUGEES AND I IMMIGRANTS
TO COME IN?
President Trump: PRESSURE?
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE MAKING THE
DECISION WOULD WANT TO WASTE THE
PHONE CALL, THERE'S NO CHANCE.
CHECK OUT JAPAN, ASK THEM, HOW
MANY HAVE YOU TAKEN?
YOU CAN COUNT THEM ON YOUR
FINGERS.
IT'S DIFFERENT.
Tucker: WEIGHT.
IF THE KEY TO SUCCESS AS A
COUNTRY IS IMMIGRATION --
President Trump: I'M NOT
TALKING ABOUT KEY TO SUCCESS.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IMMIGRATION,
WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT YOU'RE
ASKING ME ABOUT CHINA, I COULD
ADD OTHER COUNTRIES ALSO.
IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
MEXICO HAS VERY STRONG
IMMIGRATION LAWS.
IF MEXICO WANTED, THEY
COULD STOP THIS HUGE FLOW F OF
PEOPLE COMING UP FROM DIFFERENT
INCLUDING
MEXICO AND POURING INTO OUR
BORDER.
OUR LAWS ARE SO BAD, WE HAVE THE
WORST LAWS ANYWHERE IN THE
WORLD.
WE HAVE THE WORST IMMIGRATIONN
LAWS IN THE WORLD, WE DON'T HAVE
ANY LAW -- WE HAVE THE OPPOSITE
TO LAW.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEPARATE
CHILDREN, OKAY?
EVERYTHING IS BAD BUT
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEPARATE
CHILDREN.
IT'S REALLY DISGRACEFUL THAT THE
DEMOCRATS AREN'T DOING SOMETHING
ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE NEED THEIR
VOTES, AS YOU KNOW.
I HOPE WE GET ENOUGH REPUBLICANS
SO WE DON'T NEED THEM COME
NOVEMBER.
THE DEMOCRATS, WE NEED THEIR
VOTES, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 51
AND EVEN 51 IS NOT REALLY THERE
FOR OBVIOUS REASONS IN THE
SENATE.
AND IN THE HOUSE IT'S FAIRLY
CLOSE, WE NEED DEMOCRATIC VOTES
IN ORDER TO GET IT DONE AND THEY
REALLY JUST WANT TO RESIST.
THEIR WHOLE THING IS RESIST,
THAT'S THE BIG THEME.
RESIST
WHAT DO YOU GET FROM RESISTANCE?
IT'S RESIST AND OBSTRUCT, THAT'S
WHAT THEY ARE ALL ABOUT.
THEY AREN'T GOOD POLITICIANS,
THEY HAVE HORRIBLE POLICY, BUT
THEY ARE VERY GOOD AT STICKING
TOGETHER AND RESISTING
AND
OBSTRUCTING.
BUT THAT'S HURTING OUR COUNTRY.
BUT WE'LL GET THE IMMIGRATION
LAWS CHANGED.
Tucker: PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, THANK YOU FOR THE
CONVERSATION.
President Trump: THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
Tucker: YOUR BETTERS ON
CABLE NEWS HAVE MOVED ON JUST
FROM BEMOANING ABOUT ATTACKING
THE 2016 ELECTION TO WARNING
THAT THE UNITED STATES ISRN
VULNERABLE THIS YEAR.
THE QUESTION IS, WHY IS NOBODY
TAKING MEASURES TO FIX IT?
LIKE VOTER I.D. LAWS?
OR THE END OF INTERNET VOTING?
WE'LL ASK A MEMBER OF CONGRESS
ON THAT NEXT.
♪ ♪
Tucker: IT'S AN ACCEPTED
ARTICLE OF FAITH AMONG THE MANY
LEMMINGS IN WASHINGTON THAT
RUSSIA "HACKED" OUR DEMOCRACY.HO
NOW YOU'RE SEEING PIECES ABOUT
HOW THEY CAN DO IT AGAIN IN THIS
YEAR'S MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF DEMOCRATS
UNDERPERFORM, IT'S NOT
THEIR FAULT, RUSSIA JUST FOILED
THEM AGAIN.
LET'S TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY FOR A
MINUTE.
THERE ARE COUNTERMEASURES WE
COULD TAKE TO PROTECT OUR
DEMOCRACY AND PROBABLY SHOULD.
WE COULD REQUIRE PAPER BALLOTS,
THOSE CANNOT BE HACKED, UNLIKE
ELECTRONIC VOTING SYSTEMS.
WE COULD REQUIRE IN-PERSON
VOTING FOR ALL BUT EXTREME CASES
AND WE COULD AND WE WOULD IF WE
REALLY CARED, DEMAND ROBUST
VOTER I.D. LAWS AND
REGISTRATION.
ARE DEMOCRATS READY TO DO THIS
TO STOP RUSSIA?
VERY GOOD QUESTION.
CONGRESSMAN MARK POCAN IS A
DEMOCRAT, THANKS FOR COMING ON.
HOW MANY RUSSIANS HAVE BEEN
INDICTED FOR STEALING THE
IDENTITY OF AN AMERICAN
IN VOTING IN OUR ELECTION.
LET ME JUST ANSWER THAT.
NONE.
MEXICAN CITIZENS HAVE BEEN,
THAT'S AN ACTUAL HACKING OF OUR
DEMOCRACY?
IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT YOU
WILL BE STRUCK BY LIGHTNING THAN
COMMIT IN-PERSON VOTER FRAUD.
FOR ALL THE RHETORIC THAT'S OUT
THERE THAT YOU AND OTHERS MAY
WANT TO SAY ABOUT IT, THE BOTTOM
LINE IS --
Tucker: IT'S NEVER
HAPPENED?
IT IS SO RARE, YOU ARE MORE
LIKELY TO BE STRUCK BY
LIGHTNING.
Tucker: STOP.
YOU DON'T CARE?-
IT DOES HAPPEN, JUST --
IT DOESN'T --
Tucker: IN MAY, THE STATE
OF TEXAS INDICTED SOMEONE.
YOU MAY WANT TO BELIEVE
SOMETHING AND IN DIFFERENT YOU
MAY WANT TO BELIEVE IN UNICORNS
AND RAINBOWS.
THIS IS POLITIFACT
FACT-CHECKING.
Tucker: I DON'T KNOW WHAT
POLITIFACT IS --
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT
POLITIFACT IS?
Tucker: THIS IS A PRESS
RELEASE -- SLOW DOWN.
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE
STATE OF TEXAS INDICTED SOMEONE
JUST IN MAY.
ANECDOTE --
Tucker: IT'S NOT AN
ANECDOTE.
IT IS STORY.
OF ONE PERSON AND I'M TELLING
YOU YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET
STRUCK BY W LIGHTNING.
Tucker: THEY HACKED OUR
DEMOCRACY, THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS
BUT YOU DON'T CARE BECAUSE
LIGHTNING HAPPENS MORE OFTEN,
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE
SHOULD HAVE PAPER BALLOTS
BECAUSE WHEN THE RUSSIANS HAD
THIS UNPRECEDENTED ATTACK, THEY
WERE GOING INTO ELECTION SYSTEMS
AND COMPANIEST' THAT MAKE THESE
MACHINES.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
WE SHOULD HAVE PAPER BALLOTS.
Tucker: WHY WOULDN'T YOU
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOREIGNOU
CITIZENS DIDN'T VOTE IN YOUR
ELECTIONS?
WE DO MAKE SURE OF THAT NOW.
Tucker: NO, YOU DON'T.
IT'S AN HONOR SYSTEM.
YOU CAN STAY AT ALL YOU WANT.
YOU CAN HOPE AND DREAM BUT IT'S
NOT A REAL STATISTIC.
Tucker: YOU'RE NOT TELLING
THE TRUTH.
IT HAS HAPPENED, PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN INDICTED FOR IT.
LOOK AT POLITIFACT AND THEY
WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND.
IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
Tucker: I DON'T KNOW WHAT
POLITIFACT IS, I'M TELLING YOU
THERE WAS AN INDICTMENT A COUPLE
MONTHS AGO.
ONE PERSON IN A NATION OF
300 MILLION PEOPLE.
YOU ARE NOT FACTUALLYDE CORRECT.
Tucker: OH, IT'S NOT A BIG
DEAL, IT IT DOESN'T MATTER
BECAUSE YOU KNOW HE VOTED FOR A
DEMOCRAT.
YOU WOULD RATHER TALK ABOUT
THIS THAN THE FACT --
Tucker: THIS ACTUALLY
HAPPENED!
THE PRESIDENT WENT TO RUSSIA
AND HE'S PLAYING FOOTSY WITH
VLADIMIR PUTIN, HE DID NOT ONCE
ASK FOR EXTRADITION OF 12
PEOPLE.
Tucker: THIS IS INSANE!
IT'S INTERESTING.
IT'S SO CAVALIER THAT YOU'RE
GIVING A WINDOW, I
THINK YOU BLEW YOURSELF UP.
YOU REVEAL HOW LITTLE YOU CARE
ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR
VOTING.
THE GUY WHO'S INDICTED,
"POLITIFACT, LIGHTNING, RUSSIA,
RUSSIA."
I'M GIVING YOU STATISTICS AND
NUMBERS VERSUS YOUR ANECDOTES.
THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE, I
UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR
CASE.
THE FACTS DON'T VERIFY YOUR
CASE.
Tucker: A MUCH BIGGER
THREAT TO OUR DEMOCRACY, NEW
MOMENTUM TO ABOLISH I.C.E. IS
♪ ♪
Tucker: EVEN AS DEMOCRATS
HAVE HELD ABOUT RUSSIANS THREATS
TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, THEY
BECOME RALLYING AROUND A NEW
POLICY THAT'S AN ACTUAL THREAT
TO OUR DEMOCRACY, ABOLISHINGCY
I.C.E.
MINUTES AGO THE PRESIDENT
TWEETED THIS...
THEY BROUGHT UP ABOLISHING
I.C.E.
IN THE HOUSE, HE'S HERE TO
EXPLAIN THAT.
WHY WOULD YOU VOTE AGAINST A
BILL YOU SUPPORTED?
I INTRODUCED IT ON THURSDAY
WITH NINE COSPONSORS, GENERALLY
THERE'S A PROCESS
WHERE YOU BUILD A SUPPORT FOR A
BILL.
THERE IS NO WAY THIS WEEK A BILL
WOULD PASS.
IF THERE IS NO INTENTION BY
REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP TO HAVE IT
PASSED SO IT'S DONE FOR AAL
POLITICAL PLOY BECAUSE THE
REALITY IS NINE DAYS FROM TODAY
WE HAVE A COURT MANDATED
DEADLINE TO REUNIFY THE 3,000
CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN
SEPARATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIT IT
AND THE REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS
REFUSED TO SAY ANYTHING THAT
COUNTERS THE PRESIDENT ON THIS.
I'M GLAD TO TALK ABOUT THAT
PROBLEM BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
UN-AMERICAN, IT'S INHUMANE, IT'S
CRUEL.
Tucker: LET'S TALK ABOUT
THAT, YOU INTRODUCED A BILL TO
GET RID OF I.C.E., EVEN PEOPLE
WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
OUR CURRENT IMMIGRATION SYSTEM,
THEY DON'T LIKE THE SEPARATION,
I GET IT.
ABOLISHING I.C.E. SEEMS
RADICAL AND CRAZY AS YOU KNOW
WHICH IS WHY A LOT OF DEMOCRATS
ARE EMBARRASSED OF THIS
POSITION.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT ILLEGALS
WHO GET BUSTED FOR DUI?
THERE IS NO I.C.E., SO THEY GET
TO STAY?
WHAT HAPPENS SPECIFICALLY?
I.C.E. WAS CREATED AFTER
9/11.
IT SITS SOMETIMES IN THE
PARKING LOT IN BELOIT,
WISCONSIN, AT THE HEAD START
PROGRAMWH.
THAT'S NOT GOING AFTER DOMESTIC
TERRORISM.
IT'S BEING MISUSED BY
THE PRESIDENT.
WHAT WE SHOULD TAKE UP TOMORROW
IS A MEASURE TO GUARANTEEI' THOSE
KIDS A RETURN TO THOSE PARENTS.
THE PRESIDENT MADE THIS DECREE,
I'VE BEEN DOWN TO THE BORDER,
I'VE BEEN DOWN TO THE DETENTION
FACILITIES --
Tucker: I GET IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF INHUMANITY IN
THIS COUNTRY.
REALLY QUICK, SHOULD ILLEGAL
ALIENS --
YOU'RE BRUSHING OFF
INHUMANITY?
Tucker: VERY QUICK, CAN WE
DEPORT PEOPLE BUSTED FOR DUI?
RIGHT NOW, THE PRESIDENT IS
GOING AFTER PEOPLE FOR ALL SORTS
OF CRIMES INCLUDING DECADE-OLD
MISDEMEANOR AND SMALL
CHARGES.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS GET THE
PARENTS REUNITED AND LET'S HAVE
A DEBATE ON IMMIGRATION LIKE WE
NEED TO AS A COUNTRY BUT THE
REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN
UNWILLING TO.
Tucker: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT.
AMAZING FOOTAGE FROM VEGAS, WE
DON'T RUN IT VERY OFTEN BUT IT'S
PRETTY REMARKABLE.
Tucker: WE DON'T DO A LOT
OF CAR CHASE STUFF BUT THIS IS
INCREDIBLE.
A
Tucker: WE DON'T DO A LOT
OF CAR CHASE STUFF BUT THIS IS
INCREDIBLE.
A POLICE OFFICER PURSUINGG AND
EXCHANGING FIRE WITH TWO MEN WHO
ARE WANTED FOR MURDER.
THE CHASE OCCURRED IN THE SUV
FLED A TRAFFIC STOP.
THE POLICE WERE INVESTIGATING A
MURDER, IT SOON BEGAN TO
RESEMBLE A MOVIE.
Tucker: IT'S LAS VEGAS.
THAT'S IT FOR US TONIGHT, WE