主持人：我想要从标准的问题开始问起 一些基础的问题 Host: I want to start off with the standard, you know, ordinary kind of question,
这个项目是怎么开启的 它的起源是什么 How this project got started? What's the origin of it?
也许Emma和Jane可以从这两个问题开始 Maybe Emma and Jane can start with that?
Jane你拿到麦克风了吗 噢天呐 You got a mic Jane? Oh Jesus.
Jane：现在我有麦克风了 -主持人：很好 - Jane: Now I do. -Host: Okay, sorry.
Jane：谢谢 来到这里真的很棒 Jane: Thanks, Kent, it's amazing to be here.
你们是最先看到爱尔兰人的观众之一 You're one of the first audiences to see it.
所以非常感谢你们 So thank you, thank you.
在在2007年我们当时正尝试一起制作一部叫The Winter of Frankie Machine的电影 In 2007, we were trying to make another movie together, called The Winter of Frankie Machine.
我们和派拉蒙的老板Brad Grey通了电话并和他谈了这个项目 We got on a call with Brad Grey, who's the head of Paramount Pictures, to talk about it.
然后Bob提出他还读过另一本书 And Bob brought up that there was this other book that he had read
也许我们能够把他们结合在一起 当然也许不能 that maybe we could combine together, or maybe not.
这本书叫I Heard You Paint Houses And the book is called, I Heard You Paint Houses.
然后我们在一次电话通话上决定那么做 And we decided we should do that on a call.
而且这是每一个制片人都希望在电话上听到他们将会为这部电影开绿灯 And it's what every producer wants to hear, you are on a call, they're about to green-light a movie.
当时Brad说 所以你的意思是这部我准备开绿灯的电影是一部开发的合同吗 And Brad says, "Oh, so you mean to tell me that this movie I was going to green-light is now a development deal?"
当时我们也不知道怎么回答是好 And you heard all of us go, hmm.
-Martin：这就是当时的情况 -Jane：是的 这就是当时所发生的 -Martin: That's what happened. -Jane: That's what happened.
然后我们叫上Zaillian 旅程就开始了 And brought Zaillian on and the journey began.
主持人：然后下一个问题 Emma你在什么时候… Host: Yeah, and then Emma, at what point did you...
-Jane:你当时也在那通电话上 -主持人：Emma你何时进入这个项目的 - Jane: You were on that call. - Host: come into the picture?
Emma：是的 我在那个电话会议上 Emma: I was there.
主持人：很好 Host: Yeah, great.
Emma：当我们开始准备和开拍时 我真的投入了很多的时间和精力 Emma: I really kicked into gear when we start shooting, when we started prepping.
主持人：这是一个复杂又漫长的过程 是吧？ Host: This was a very involved, it was a long shoot, huh?
Martin：我相信这花了106天 是吧？ Martin: I believe it was 106 days, is that?
-Emma：108天 -Marty：什么？ -Emma：108天 - Emma:108 - Marty:What? - Emma: 108
Martin：很好 所以你让我撒谎了两天 Martin: OK, so you make me lying for 2 days.
Smith会告诉你 你让我当了2天的骗子 You made me a liar for 2 days, well, Smith can tell you that.
但这里面的确有很长的历史 因为Bob和我在1995年合作完Casino之后就想要继续一起工作 But there really is a longer history here because Bob and I wanted to work together since we did Casino, which was 1995.
所以我们会看看对方在做什么项目或者别的事情之类的 So we would check each other, what we were doing, what projects doing together and things like that.
而且我们从来没有特别联系 And we never quite connected.
我们尝试一起合作这部The Winter of Frankie Machine We tried to make something with this Frankie Machine
但有一次Eric Roth给了你本书 but once, I think, Eric Roth gave you the book,
Robert：是的 就在我和你讨论之前的两天 Robert: Yeah, we were talking about it, Eric and I.
我和Eric当时在讨论了这个电影项目 We talked about it about two years before you and I talked about it,
然后这个项目早了两年完成 And it had come out two years earlier.
Eric说这本书我应该要读一读 Eric said, this book you should read.
我对他说 为了研究Frankie Machine我应该阅读下这本书 读完之后 And I just said, now I should read it for research for Frankie Machine, and then I read it,
我对Marty说看看这本书吧 Then I said, Marty look at this.
当Bob把这本书给我看的时候 And when Bob presented the book to me,
我可以看出他和角色紧密地相连 I could see he was very strongly attached to the character and
我们不需要说再多的话 we don't have to say much.
在和Brad通了电话后 After the phone call with Brad,
我让Steve Zaillian来编写剧本 I got Steve Zaillian to come on and write the script.
我想这些应该发生在10年前 That was about ten years ago, I think.
Robert：是的 大约十年前 Robert: Yeah, about ten years ago.
Martin：当然 我们还讨论了关于Al和Joe的加入 Martin: And we talked, of course, about Al and Joe being in it, yeah.
主持人：你和Al一直以来都尝试一起工作 是吧 Host: And you and Al had always tried to find a way to work together, right Marty?
好吧 我和他第一次见面在1970年 当时他是Rats的导演 Well, over the years, yes, I met him first in 1970, when he was directing Rats.
是部戏剧 是吧？ Israel Horovitz The play, right? Israel Horovitz. Yeah.
Francis Coppola介绍了我们互相认识 Francis Coppola introduced us.
这些年来我们各自的项目都在向不同方向发展 And over the years it just went differently, where his projects and mine, you know.
我们尝试一起合作Modigliani这部电影 但没有实现 We tried to get together on a film on Modigliani, that didn't come to fruition.
我记得我们当时在Beverly Hills见面讨论了这个项目 And I remember our meeting about this in Beverly Hills, this project.
大约六年前 可能比这更久之前 About six years ago, whatever, may be more.
-Robert：比那更久之前 -Martin：是的 比六年更久之前 - Robert: More - Martin:Yeah, more than that.
因为当时你在那个房间里看着问那个合作是否能实现 Because you looked at it, it's in the room and you said, is this gonna happen?
-Martin：好吧 因为... -Al：这必须用语言表达 - Martin: Well, because,you know ... - Al: It has to go in words.
是的 这应该要在我们变得更老之前完成合作 Yes, it's going to happen at ... you know, before we get any older,
所以就是这样 so it's that kind of thing.
不管怎样 我们都达成共识在我们变老之前合作 但的确出现了障碍 Anyway, we said, yes, it will. But things got in the way.
顺便一提 我不是说一定要消极看待 And in the way, I don't mean necessarily negatively.
这其中还出现很多其他的一些如技术方面的问题等等 There were other issues that came up, and other obligations, and then the technical aspects.
主持人：Al你能谈一谈扮演像Jimmy Hoffa这样知名且传奇的人物的看法吗 Host: Yeah, Al can you talk about playing a larger than life, really known figure, like Jimmy Hoffa?
这是个很有趣的挑战 It's an interesting challenge.
Al：噢是的 因为... Al: Oh, yeah. It was. Because ...
但现在这个时代你有很多方式方法去了解那些角色 But today is a world (where) you have a lot of access to those kind of characters.
因为有很多人认识和了解他们 并且有些书是关于他们的 Because there's a lot of people who know them, knew them, and also there's books about them.
但主要是那些关于他们的镜头 But mainly there's footage of them, a lot of, you know ...
我们曾经多多少少有记录下来 所以你可以使用这些关于他们的记录 We recorded a lot in our life, so you have access to that.
对于一些角色 A couple of characters.
当我饰演Serpico时候 那些关于他的一些视频的看法 甚至不算是看法 When I played Serpico, the thought of him on any kind of video somewhere, was not even a thought,
但我能感受他 But I had him.
他好像就在那一样 所以这总是一种优势 You know, he was there, so that's always an advantage.
但有太多关于Jimmy的事和物了 But with Jimmy, there was so much about him,
而且我是在他非常杰出的时期里长大的 And I grew up in a time when he was quite prominent.
主持人：Joe你能谈谈参加这个项目的感受吗 Host: Joe, can you talk about coming aboard on this project?
而且这是你多年前在Bob的The Good Shepherd这部电影之后拍的第一部电影 是吧？ And this is the first movie that you've made in quite a while, since, I think, Bob's film The Good Shepherd, no?
Martin：真的吗 Martin: Is that true?
Al：我不认为他听到你的问题 Al: I don't think he heard you.
Martin：Jane正在翻译给他 Martin: Jane is translating.
主持人：好的 Host: Okay, sorry.
-Joe：抱歉 n我没明白你的问题 可以说多一次吗 -Kent：抱歉 - Joe: Sorry, I couldn't understand, say that again? - Ken: No, sorry about that.
主持人：我应该说清楚点 我想知道你能谈一下参加这个项目的看法吗 Host: I know I have to enunciate clearly. I'm wondering if you could talk about coming aboard on this project
毕竟这是你很久一段时间之后重回电影大荧幕中 after it's been a while since you've appeared in a film.
并且我记得你上一次出现在电影里是Bob的The Good Shepherd And I think that the last one was Bob's film, The Good Shepherd
Joe：不是的 Joe: No.
我不知道该说些什么 我的意思是... I don't know what to say. I mean I just ...
主持人：但是否... Host: But was it ...
Jane：你有压力吗 Jane: Did you have any pressure?
Joe：不 我没有什么压力 Joe: No, I didn't have any pressure.
主持人：那很好 Host: That's good.
Martin：你参加这个项目一点压力都没有吗 Martin: Weren't pressured to do this? You weren't pressured to do this?
-Joe：做这个项目吗 你没有强调说是这个项目 -Martin：是的 做这个项目 - Joe: To do this? You didn't say that. - Martin: Yeah,yeah
Martin：你在说导演方面的事情 Martin: You're talking about directing.
Joe：抱歉 我就只是做Martin要我做的事情 Joe: Oh I'm sorry. I just do whatever he tells me to.
谢谢 Thank you for this.
主持人：那么在不一样的年代或是时间回到互相熟识的剧组是什么感受呢 Host: But what was it (like) to get back into the group at a different moment?
-主持人：因为上一次你们三个合作的是在Casino这部电影里 -Martin：是的 - Host: Because the last time the three of you guys had worked together was on Casino. -Martin: Casino? Yes.
-主持人：20年以前 -Martin：在1995年 - Host: 20 years ago. -Martin: 1995.
Martin：你是数学比我好吗 Casino远不止20年以前 Martin: Are you better in math than me? It's more than twenty years.
Bob你想谈谈... So Bob, you want to talk about the ...
关于我们这么多年后再次合作的一些看法吗 What's it like to get together, to work together again after all these years kind of thing?
Robert：是的 这... Robert: Yeah. It was ...
Marty和我有几次没有... Marty and I had a couple of times we didn't ...
由于一个原因我不能... For one reason I couldn't ...
那些机会都错过了 Those opportunities passed,
我们总是这样... but we always did ... and then this.
Joe和我也会谈谈电影 Joe and I would talk about the the movie too.
我会和Marty讨论也和Joe讨论 And I would talk to Marty, I talked to Joe.
我们经历了漫长的过程去讨论它 You know,we went through a long process talking about it.
但就这些而言 But as far as all that goes ...
我很开心我们最后还是成功合作了 But I'm just happy we all finally got to do it.
因为Marty为了能够按照他想要的方式去做的确花了很多的时间 Because it did take a long time and with Marty able to do it the way he would want to do it.
而且很幸运地有人提供资金支持我们 And we were lucky to have the people to put up the money and back it.
-Martin：这是重点 因为我们一直没得到支持 -Robert：是的 - Martin: That was the key, because we couldn't get the backing. - Robert: Yeah.
Martin：这么多年来我们一直没有办法得到支持 Martin: There was no way for years and we just couldn't get the backing.
最终是Ted Sarandos他们打电话说 Andn ultimately, there was Ted Sarandos. they called up and said ...
但这也是我们决定的重点 But that's a point too, that we had decided.
Pablo Helman和ILM 想出了一个不需要干扰到Bob和Joe和Al的表演 Pablo Helman and ILM had come up with a solution for the de-aging process
并且解决视觉上减龄的方法 that wouldn't interfere with Bob and Joe and Al.
要知道原本的拍摄需要演员们戴着头盔或是网球在脸上来互相交谈 You know, talking to each other with helmets on or tennis balls on their faces.
当时我认真地说他们演员们是不会这样干的 Seriously, I said, they're not gonna do it.
因此他们做了测试 我们几年前进行了测试 And so they made test, we made test a few years ago.
但要知道这是个很费钱的实验 But you know it's a costly experiment.
但Ted和Netflix的所有人都说他们会继续去弄 But Ted and everyone at Netflix said they'll go with it, and they went...
他们确实是支持了这部电影并提供了资金 They actually backed the film, and financed it,
而且创造性地与我们协调各方面的事情 or you know, were creatively attuned to us.
没有任何形式的干扰 There was no interference of any kind.
就像是不时记录的一些笔记或事情 You know some notes and things from time to time,
我们要对他们说吗 but like, we addressed them or not?
但关键是我认为某种程度上它是一种有趣的混合 But the point is that, it was necessarily an interesting, I guess, hybrid in a way,
因为你如何平衡什么是电影 Because how you balance between what a film is
以及在家还是在剧院看到 and what is viewed at home or in a theater, and in a theater,
在剧院里或者只在电影节看到 or not in the theater at all, only at festivals.
所有的这些都是我们正处在一个非同寻常的变革时期 All of this is now we're in an extraordinary time of change.