Good morning, everyone.
Thank you very much for being here.
Thank you very much to the organization for giving us the opportunity to tell you about our little experience, although it was extended, in the world of cybersecurity.
Edu?
Well, as you can see, we have come to the conclusion of saying yes.
We both have a long trajectory, and we are very happy to be here.
Quite different, but which in the end have converged in cybersecurity because we think it is an exciting world, which is transversal, that anyone, regardless of the training they have, if they are curious and if they are restless, can dedicate themselves to cybersecurity,
regardless of what we had said, of the gender, of the age, of the capacities they have, because the world of cybersecurity is very transversal and has many points of view.
And also, even without having thought about it, because here I am...
We were talking before with the colleagues who were here, and Carmen said, cybersecurity found me.
Well, yes, because my vocation was totally different.
When I started studying, I didn't even know what digital systems were.
I say, my God, digital systems.
But well, as a thought that you have to have in cybersecurity, it is always what...
Right, Roman?
What is said in movements, lateral thinking, like attacks.
Well, I said, well, my lifelong vocation had been medicine, and I didn't see anything here.
But IT emerged in Malaga, it was the first year, and there were many expectations.
And well, let's try to see what this is, what is the curiosity that we have to have always in cybersecurity.
Well, today we want to focus on three points to talk to you about our professional trajectories, what are the resources available to start in cybersecurity, at least a few strokes, because there are many resources, and then see what associations we have to support the development of talent in which we participate,
directly or indirectly, both Conchi and me.
Well, as Conchi had mentioned before, she is the Head of Mass Risk Management, a member of the Committee of Experts for the National Strategy of Cybersecurity, and now she will also continue to tell us how she has come to this path.
Yes, well, I already told you that, well, I didn't know where I was getting into, but, well, with this of diversifying a little, because in those years what was medicine was very massive, I had my place, so I didn't have an access problem or anything,
but, well, I also tried my luck in accessing, because before it was with the entrance exam in computer science.
Well, nothing, I decided, I passed by chance, because it was one of the few too, and my colleagues, a fairly well-nourished group of colleagues, and they approved us, nothing more than a boy, and I said, well, I was going to leave the place, because, yes,
the boys were already expecting the entrance exam, you are going to leave us, you have been able to enter, and I had a feeling of, I don't know how to say no, that then, not knowing how to say no, it has been very useful for me to continue and learn about cybersecurity,
because anything that came to the company, I raised my hands and said, I, I, I was not afraid of anything, and that's why my colleagues, I had solidarity with them.
I, the digital systems, I had no idea what the digital and computer systems were, we had to go to Madrid to get the famous book by Tanenbaum, I don't know if those who are listening to us, especially in streaming, who are a little more like me, of the generation,
well, they know what Tanenbaum is, Tanenbaum, we had to go to Madrid because you couldn't get it, well, not even now, we didn't have any online store, well, I started, there was no internet, there was no internet, I studied the degree, and, well, we had a computer,
we did the practices, a Secoinsa series 20, the oldest people in the place will remember the famous Secoinsa series 20, we played it once a week, languages like Fortran, Cobol, Pascal, but, well, they gave us quite robust knowledge and , of course, the degree,
when I studied the computer science degree, we could study five current degrees, in which it has been divided, the subject, as it was the first one, was very broad.
Well, in the end, we finished when the first computer science promotion, we were almost, now that I'm speaking, today we are not going to talk about gender, right?
Not even about Breccia Dubigis, but I remember, right, Carmen?
I think you are more or less from the same generation, and we were almost half by half in the classrooms, right?
We also have to see, this is studied because it has degenerated so much that now it is studied much less the TIC technologies and such, but at that time it was when the first personal computers started and those personal computers were dedicated only to what they liked,
to the male world, which were the little games, the computer games, and of course, I think that has also been one of the trigger for which women, because then when I went back to study, as I say, I didn't like it, then I went back, I did another computer science course,
the higher one, and there we were, we were two women, nothing more.
Well, let me roll up.
In the course we passed nine, nothing more.
Imagine how it was, nine from the first to the second course, we were two hundred and something, because in the second we passed nine, nothing more.
Anyway, as I could, I finished the course, I started working and I started, unlike Edu, that's why the trajectories are divergent, I've been 30 years, almost 31, soon, in the same company, without changing.
I think I've touched all the sticks for that, precisely because I said that the data protection came when it arrived there in the year 2000, 1999, when the OPD appeared.
I, that comes to critical infrastructures, I, continuity of business, I mean, I didn't say the 2000 effect, do you remember the 2000 effect?
Especially those who are on streaming, do you remember?
Well, the 2000 effect there, volunteer to work, I didn't have weekends, or parties, the famous 2000 effect, the euro, then came the change of the euro, well, I, to everything, yes, yes, I trained as I could and that's it, and in the end I became passionate about all the issues related to cyber security.
And I think, here they tell us, later we'll see
a slide talking about generational issues, the type of generation that is in cyber security.
And to us, they can call us digital immigrants.
Well , I think I'm a...
I consider myself a cyber native, because that point and that vision of understanding, as Soledad told Toledana, that you don't have to be afraid of cyber security, you have to understand it.
So, that point, I think that our generation, both those who are from the first, those who correspond to us in the first ages , as to the second, let's say, from the last stage of the X generation , in which we find ourselves, we have been able to understand the need,
because we have lived it, we were born with it, and our professional trajectory has been developed.
I have also been involved in communications, the whole issue of telecommunications.
So, I have seen where it was necessary to secure it, because if not, we could not keep working.
Well, that, I tell you, has taken me from internal auditing to the whole issue of continuity of business.
In my company, we have a certain maturity in continuity of business, already with several renovated plans, revisions, the impact analysis of the business, everything.
The issue of big data, too, because it is true that in Emasa we have a, well, we have, we are quite advanced in that sense, and well, we have been touching all, at least, incorporating quite new technologies.
Regardless of that, I have continued to train, I collaborate later, with a lot of groups, as I don't know how to say no, it is what gives me and I am a worker because, if I wanted, I come from a humble family, well, now we have...
If we wanted to study, we had to work.
So, that spirit of sacrifice, something that I think also the youngest of the place, who are here and there, is needed.
Here they don't give everything for granted, a lot of effort is needed, it takes many hours.
Thank God, nowadays the working conditions are improving and we don't have to be at work all the time, there is telework, we can work from home a lot, but a lot of effort and a lot of capacity for sacrifice.
And, well, I can tell you that after 30 years already working on something that I didn't like, I remember that I met a colleague who studied medicine just to listen to her concepts.
And I fell in love with a medicine magazine and another one that talked about, well, 30 years ago about technology and I was fascinated by medicine.
However, I think that after 30 years I have achieved my dream because, as we say in this sector, cybersecurity saves lives and it doesn't save lives like a doctor who can, on a surgery or on the 20th, save many lives at the same time.
And we save states and we save the world.
We save the world.
So, I think that there is no better trajectory for something that doesn't attract me at all and I have been discovering it little by little.
And this is how one becomes passionate about cybersecurity.
How inspiring.
I love it, Conchi.
It has always been one of my references because it is true that he doesn't know how to say no.
He has a concern and a curiosity that he likes to learn everything, he gets involved in everything, he collaborates with everything we ask of him.
You are omnipresent, like God.
Well, you can see that Conchi is more modest and he doesn't put his photo, but I like the photo.
I put my photo.
I am a Dominican who has come to Spain for love.
I have been here for 23 years.
I am an industrial engineer.
I did my career in the Dominican Republic and then I went to study a science master's degree in the United States and I was always more oriented to production , quality.
I liked it a lot because I like processes a lot .
I like to know how things are done, what materials.
I always say, the motto of my career is there is always a better way to do things.
And that is one of the mottos that guide me.
I go to any place and I always say, sure, let's look for a better way to do things.
Because there is always that space for improvement.
So, when I came to Spain, I couldn't find a job because I was looking for a job because I had worked in the textile industry, I had worked for Sarali doing the Wonderbra, I had done quality projects, and then I was making coats for Beverly Hills, and then I was looking for that kind of industrial work,
but it was in Madrid.
I had come from being separated from my husband, several years, and the jobs I got were Barcelona, the Basque Country, which is where there is more industry.
So, I said, we are together, I am not going to separate now.
So, in that time, in 1996, which is strange, there was a crisis in Spain.
There was also little employment, but there was a lot in the subject of implantations to all parts of technology.
So, I said, let's go where the market is.
I did a six-week course in SAP, and where no one called me in Madrid, all the consultants called me, but all of them, from Accenture, C.C.
Planske, Erzañao, Deloitte, in the end I joined Erzañao, and until today I am in the world of consulting in the IT business.
And as Conchi mentioned, I have always been very restless too.
I like to try a lot, to learn.
I think the main motivation that any person who wants to be a good professional must have is to be curious, to really be passionate about what you are doing, because in the end, if you don't enjoy it, and you don't see all the points of view, and what the value of your work brings,
well, in the end you are not living that part that is integral, yours, that are hours of life, and we have to enjoy the work .
And I am an adalite of that, I always comment on it, because it seems to me that in Spain, now less and less, but in the beginning I had the feeling that people were working as if it was an obligation, that everyone said, yes, but I work to make money.
They say, you work to make money, but also to make an impact, to make a change, to grow, to share.
So, technology...
Sorry to tell you, you are right, because I think, and those of you who work here, those of you who are here, those of you who are streaming, raise your hand and say it, and we'll see you.
But it's true, people from cybersecurity enjoy it.
It's a kind of profession.
Do you think the same?
Román, people enjoy it.
I mean, you are doing it because you enjoy it.
In this kind of job, you can't work by imposition.
I mean, because you don't get passionate, you get bitter.
And these weeks we've been doing... Right, Román?
Those of Radio Macusto, how we've been, that more than one of us have said, I'm sorry, but we'll leave it, we'll change, we'll get in, we'll go to Tibet to meditate or something, because to keep up with the pace of work on cybersecurity you have to get passionate,
as you say, you have to enjoy it.
But, well, cybersecurity and any other discipline.
But it's true that technology, in general, because it goes at a very fast pace, you always have to be updating yourself, you always have to be in the last one.
I remember ten years ago, when we were evangelizing about the cloud, that everyone said, oh, the cloud, but no one, governments, banks, will never take their data and put everything in the cloud.
And today, 65% of companies, all of them, including governments and banks, have applications in the cloud.
And this is increasing every day.
So, the subject of cybersecurity has been taking a lot of importance because we are living in a digital world.
So, the pillars of digital life are data and how you transmit that data and security and trust that those data have for each of the actors of life that we all have.
Because, let's see who raises their hand, the one who doesn't have his cell phone all the time in his pocket or in his pocket.
Because, without a cell phone now, I don't know anyone who is not 24 hours a day practically with his cell phone next to him.
And that is a source of risk.
But, as we say, the people who work in cybersecurity are not catastrophists.
We don't say, hey, you can't live digital life.
You can live it, but taking the measures, taking into account the risks and knowing what things can help minimize those risks, even if you know that there are always risks.
Before, we left home without closing the door.
When we were in the villages, people lived without bars and without an alarm.
Now, no one thinks about leaving home without a key, without an alarm or without a fence.
So, all this evolution that we have seen in the last years, the companies that have to trust all their interlocutors, both clients and suppliers, about how they have their data secured, well, the truth is that they have an important challenge ahead.
And many times they say, no, cyber security people can't do anything because we are here.
The social value of cyber security.
Digital life has to be lived, but carefully.
How do you live life?
Without fear.
But with alarms.
That's important.
Imagine a doctor, with 5G, with what we have now, how the field will unfold with 5G, telemedicine.
Not only do you have a telemetry device at a distance, but that telemetry device doesn't take you to the area you have to crack, it doesn't take you to the area you have to crack, not to another.
Have they thought about that ?
It's something transversal , that some minimal knowledge, any profession, has to have about cyber security.
If not, it's impossible, as you say, with technology.
How can you use technology if you don't know?
How can you use a car if you don't know how to drive?
How can you use technology if you don't have minimal knowledge?
The good news is that now we have a click, within reach, all the information and resources necessary to learn and feed that curiosity or those knowledge you need to live this digital age.
We, as Conchi said, who has been in the same company for 30 years, from the consulting world, the good thing is that it gives you the opportunity to know many processes, many companies, many ways of work, many sectors, and then when you are implementing any software implementation project,
when you are making a strategic plan , when you are making a systems plan , and you have to learn how that ecosystem is, both internally within the company and with all the interlocutors with whom it operates.
And that is very interesting, it fascinates me, because it really gives you a very good vision of what life is, of what the ecosystem is, because many times we think that what you do does not impact others , what you do in your work impacts the people who work with you,
what companies do impacts society and its relationships with others.
That is why cybersecurity is so important, because we have to trust in that ecosystem and in how we relate to others.
I approached cybersecurity out of curiosity, when in the last few years I have been working for a long time between Sanyao and Kajemini, implementing all kinds of functionalities in different clients in different sectors, and then working with companies like Oracle,
HP, Salesforce, seeing how to make joint solutions to provide value to clients.
And there, in 2013-2014, I said, hey, this cybersecurity seems to me to be exciting and the basis of everything we do.
Then I started to wonder, because in Kajemini, in Spain, there was no practice of cybersecurity, but in France, which is the matrix, there was a whole practice, very large, with many clients, with a lot of knowledge, and I started to investigate and get into it out of curiosity,
for myself, because I was not thinking, come on, in Spain there was no practice.
And then the opportunity arose to go and launch the business of ProSegur, cybersecurity, the cybersecurity unit, which I learned a lot there, that I was taking the whole ecosystem of partners and alliances, seeing products everywhere, seeing companies,
seeing how...
And, of course, the more you know it and the more it comes in, the more I am passionate, the more I like it, because sometimes people say, but to do cybersecurity you don't have to be very technical, it's not like a piece of cake, you don't have to be touching that.
And I say, yes, that is a part, and a very important part, but also a very important part is to know how everything is connected.
A very important part is to know how the ecosystem works.
A very important part is to know how to communicate.
A very important part is to manage crises, which there will be, because we are in life and there is always risk and accidents will happen to us.
So that, you also have to know how to manage it.
So cybersecurity is fascinating for me because it has all those points of view, that compendium, that transversality that touches all the departments of the company, that we are all responsible, that it is not only the responsibility of those who are in the Department of Cybersecurity,
or the DPO, or the...
We are all.
We all have our part of responsibility.
As I say, the companies, but from the one who is going to buy a mobile phone and has to know, from the companies, the one who makes the folder, who has to know what he wants and how he has to make a folder, the one from the Department of Purchasing who has to know who to buy,
then the one who analyzes all the offers to see which are safer, which are safer, more careful with the issue of data protection.
All of us.
We all have our part of responsibility.
And that is, in addition to being beautiful, because it seems to me that having a shared responsibility is something beautiful, it is also very risky.
Because anyone, and we always talk about it, I'm sure it has been discussed in some of the conferences, the weakest link is each one individually, when they open an email, enter a website that is not safe and that can compromise the security of your company.
So, well, from your company or at a personal level, from your data and from all the information you have.
Yes, and sometimes not only, as has always been said, it is done by those who want, not by those who can.
So, that culture, which is no longer awareness, but a culture of cyber security that must be in all society.
The National Cyber Security Strategy has a section, a specific action line for that culture of cyber security that must be in society, as you say.
Well, and then, after being in ProSeguro doing that, well, taking out the Cyber Security Unit, which was a great school for me, the truth is that there I suffered a lot, I learned a lot, which many times is hard, but when you suffer a lot is when you learn the most.
Then we decided, we said, hey, since we know what the market is like, we know what the tools are, we are going to launch our own business.
But in the end we went to the adventure and then it turns out that many times the adventures are that, adventures.
We didn't do very well in the adventure and then we had to change course and we said, well, let's see if we get an investor or a company that wants to launch in Spain.
We got a Chilean niche company and we started to launch here in Spain, which is what I have been in the last year, but there it was also shown that I said, look, I'm going to go back to the multinational, that I am a multinational person, I like to be able to do many things,
which later in small companies is more complicated, although it is also very beautiful, because you learn a lot, you have to do everything and that is also very interesting, because you learn a lot , but then you also have to know how far it pays off.
So, in the end, I have decided since July, I have returned to the multinational, now I am in SAS, which is a company that has always fascinated me, because it is also dedicated, for more than 43 years, to analytics, to give value to data and then I say that I am a very fortunate person because I am working on the two pillars of digital life,
that we are increasingly in digital life and the two pillars are data and cybersecurity and giving value to that data, analyzing it and looking for that intelligence, those patterns that can give us that vision of making the best decisions for our business.
So, you see that I have had a little of a lucky life, as they say, of having many points of view, of knowing many people.
I am very happy because it is true that the world of cybersecurity is also beautiful because you can share.
I always say it, not because you are pink, that I am a big fan of Incive.
It has always seemed to me that it is a value what it is bringing to society and all the things that are being done because cybersecurity has to be from all points of view, from children, from adults, because it is a way of life.
It is a way of getting closer to your devices, a way of living, of having incorporated those small guidelines that make all the difference when you are interacting in digital life.
So, well, let's move on.
That was your story.
Edu has not stopped moving from one company to another and he has a lot of knowledge.
I have not always been in the same company, but out of curiosity I have moved a lot, I have left the same training, one career, then the other, then a master's, then the courses.
It does not matter with this, it does not matter the size, it does not matter where you are, what you have to have is the desire to do it.
Nowadays, thank God, there are many media that we are going to see now, if we want to start.
Well, we have already been talking about our trajectories, now we wanted to put in context a little the resources available, well, a few strokes, because there are many resources available, but we are going to give you a few strokes of what is easier here in Spain,
of all the work that is being done, so that whoever is curious and wants to start in cybersecurity can do it.
Well, here we have only represented some with which we are more familiar, there is a lot of training in cybersecurity, the idea we want to convey is that you do not need to go to a university, of course, then the specialization of something specific you do need,
because another thing we say in our sector, right, Román, is that there are many people, there are not so many specialized people, that you already need a degree of specialization that not anyone gives, but you need a much
deeper training of each topic, because , as we have said, cybersecurity is everything, they are psychologists, they are merchants, they are lawyers, here everyone has to know the cybersecurity side and anyone can start .
We have put the most representative , if you want Edu, start...
Well, as I am a fan of INCIBE, I speak of INCIBE, INCIBE has a catalog on its website, accessible to everyone, where you can see all the courses, the masters, all the training of different organizations, of different...
The training there is in Spain.
There is in Spain about cybersecurity, with which it is a very valuable course.
That's why there have been talks, but we thought it was good to put Compendio there because everything was very well compiled.
And then, INCIBE itself, apart from this catalog, has... you just have to go to the website and see all the training there is for the small company, for the final user and for anyone who wants to really know how, first, be alert in your digital life and if you want to start getting into the world of cybersecurity.
Well, there we have put the most representative with whom we have, at least in my case, with whom I have grown professionally, because before, when INCIBE was intech, they already released little things that we could consult, when we already had...
At the beginning of the companies, we didn't even have internet.
When I started working, we didn't even have internet.
I wish I had picked up, in my time, now, with a click, everything I can.
And more, I have a defect, which is that I get lost.
I mean, I am an avid of knowledge.
And out there, in one of the universities with which I collaborate, in the Olavides Palace, the professor says we have the group of avid of knowledge, because we are always wishing... and now we get lost.
This is good and bad, because it scatters you with a click, and being able to find everything you want, the one who has a little bit of curiosity, is the one who gets lost.
When I start doing a presentation or something, I say, my God, it can't be, I have gone through the hills of Veda, as we say in my land, and I have not reached where I had to do it.
It has its good part and its bad part, but well, let's get the positive out of everything.
Therefore, the CCNC is getting magic out of everything, not only for the administration.
Then there is OWASP.
There, for me, that was a total discovery, and it was a discovery of what Edu says, there is nothing better than facing the risk.
I also believe that organizations are not the same if they have already experienced a problem, we are not going to say a cyber incident or anything, but a problem is not the same if you don't face it, if you really know and value it until you have faced it.
As they say, no one shudders in other people's heads, well, sometimes we have to shudder in other people's heads, we have to learn to shudder in other people's heads, especially to have the lessons learned from others so as not to incur the same and, why not,
to face it without facing it, like cyber exercises, the courses they have, the summer courses are magnificent, and there is a lot of training of what that could be.
That is the best, to face it, that is, to have to decide, to face the situation, to put yourself in other people's shoes.
Well, Nova, as I said, I met her as part of the training, it was on my own, I had to look for the means and such, when we had an incident, we had an incident in the company in 2013 of those of now, of those who had to be notified of everything, well, we already did it at that time,
that is, they congratulated us because at that time we already did it.
So, discovering how we could secure, I discovered the world of OVAS, which is an association that can and, above all, the speakers who come later at the table will be able to tell us a lot more about that association.
And what it has very good is the top ten of OVAS, which is what it tells you those attacks that have materialized the most or cyberattacks that have materialized the most in the subject of web applications.
And there it gives you a trend of what are the types of attacks, where it is worse, where you have to focus, above all, because you know what is the top ten ranking of OVAS, I recommend it to you.
Then publications, well, I have put the Universidad Internacional de Valencia because I am a teacher, who is also here, and, well, there is Pérez, there is José Blanco, well, I also want to tell you that, from the classroom of teachers, I am the only girl,
right, Pérez?
Of the two Masters of IOT and the one of Cybersecurity.
Well, I had to put it, being in Valencia, I had to put it.
Then we also have here that you have specific training here, right, Román de la Ruter?
It has a pretty good training program .
The ISMS Forum, we are members of the ISMS Forum, with which it is a non-profit association, also for information security, that collaborates.
The good thing about it is that, as we are people who also respond, who don't know how to say no, they ask us for many studies, we collaborate and we have done studies for the Data Protection Agency, we have done a risk map for the Spanish Risk Management Association,
studies of Big Data for the Data Protection Agency, above all, because it has several areas of work in cybersecurity, privacy, mobility, this week has been the mobility one, the IOT Congress, training, there are also some titulations on data protection,
on cybersecurity, and well, it was the only way, as I say, without resources and without many economic resources, to be able to advance, to be able to progress.
Then, publications, we can find several security publications, the Security Diary, the SIS magazine, which this year did the same as I did in this world, 30 years.
And it has a magnificent magazine , a magazine that, well, thank God they don't publish one a month, because if they did, we wouldn't have time to debunk it, because it is very dense.
The Borreda Foundation, which also has two, one more oriented, because another thing, I am also a security director, the subject of critical infrastructures, I had to take a part that I didn't know, which is the subject of physical security.
You too, Roman, I know you are also a security director , but it is necessary, right?
I mean, there is a lot of criticism in our world, saying that if physical security has to be, it doesn't have to be in cybersecurity.
We all have to say, and see the implications when you really get in and you don't trivialize what a security director is, as many intend to do, see the need and the union that has to be between the two, between the CISO and, well, the information security manager,
sorry, we don't call it CISO anymore, the information security manager, and the physical part, the logical part, because it is already a whole, it is nothing.
Then, if we want something more specific, there are the big international organizations, such as ISACA, more dedicated to auditing and information security, but in terms of auditing, it also has a part of the university that they call the SANS Institute,
TEDxHerox is another of the startups, it was also here in the startup contest, which is also co-founder of Soledad Antelada Toledano, which unifies data protection and security.
It also has many good publications.
And, well, it is a...
They are brushstrokes, because you can see that we have a lot of resources.
I mean, as if someone has a little curiosity and wants to have brushstrokes or even wants to specialize in something, there is a lot of information, a lot of courses, a lot of resources to really get started in the world of security.
And free, there is a lot that they encourage everyone.
And, well, we have 10 minutes left.
We thought we had all the time in the world in an hour, and we were short.
Well, now we are going to talk a little about the associations that we participate in and we have closer support for the development of talent.
Although we often say that talent does not have gender and does not have age, there are some areas that need to be strengthened more.
Which I will tell you a little bit about.
Well, this is just to tell you what, well, there are many, it is true that those of us who are now in cybersecurity have also been by age.
There we see the ages they have.
I was born in 1965 and I am already, as I say in other talks, as we have said, I am already giving way to the new generations.
But I feel very proud of having participated above all and having contributed as far as possible, as far as possible.
So that's why I was telling you, now it is said that, but come on, biologically by age, those of us who are in the world of cybersecurity are part of Generation X.
One of the first like me, we started in 65 and especially in 79, Soledad, last night I was talking to her from San Francisco and she says, I am one of the last of the generation, but it is Generation X.
And now what is coming are the Millennials.
The world of cybersecurity and it has, as I was saying, it is that the Millennials prefer not to ensure the technology there is, but to put new ones.
But we have to see if they have that sense, because we, I remember with my son, it was a constant struggle when they started with the Internet, the photos.
Don't put photos of your friends.
They, oh my mother, please, you are always not seen.
And now I see how they have evolved due to the use they have had to do and of all the cases that are being seen.
They say, no, navigate in private mode.
No, hey, you told someone who was going to post the photo.
That culture, I think we all compete to do it.
They have developed in another world.
This immigrant thing, I do not consider myself an immigrant of anything.
I have found it and I have adapted.
I am very proud to have been able to adapt to the new technologies and to have gotten involved.
But it is also true, Conchi, that young people in general have a very different approach to privacy than we could have.
Because they were born sharing the photo, sharing where they are, sharing every minute of what they are doing.
And for them that says, what does it matter that they know where I am?
And what does it matter that they know what I am eating?
And what does it matter that they know who I am with?
I say, all this can be elements that are used to supplant your identity, that are used to really harm you and your relatives.
We are cyber cooperators of INCIBE too.
It is not that we unify a small INCIBE, the two together.
It is true, the talks that are given, we go to schools and I tell the children, are you naked on the street?
Do you have a secret?
Do you think that everything you upload stays there?
Why don't you come naked?
Do you share secrets or do you tell everyone what you think about everything?
Well, here we are going to talk about some of the associations that we are working with.
For example, Women in Cyber Security Spain, which is an association that was founded last year and that we have been working a lot to promote female talent, because it is true that it is studied that there are far fewer women working in technology and even fewer working in cyber security.
And what we want is to work to promote and communicate the value of working in cyber security so that they see the purpose and why it is important and to help to make visible and to promote the women who are already working in cyber security.
I will tell you a little more in detail.
There is also a program of the Royal Academy of Engineering called Women in Engineering, which is a mentoring program where women in technology and engineers accompany students in the last year of engineering to help them integrate more easily into the working world.
Sometimes I find you saying, hey, if I had known this when I left the career and not 20 years later, maybe you would have had a more successful career development.
So, this is what we want to support there.
Then there is also a program of the Everis Foundation to work even earlier, which is for girls between 15 and 17 years old who have a high potential but who have not developed it, maybe they do not have a reference in their family, in which a reference woman opens windows for them.
Because you know that many times they tell you at home and you do not listen, but someone from outside tells you and then you give them more value.
So, this accompaniment of a semester of these girls so that they see the things that can be done, because as I always say, to teenagers and to teenagers too, you teach them that they want to learn to paint their eyes or they want to learn to play the guitar and they look for all the tutorials in the world,
they investigate it and they do it, but they want to know what career they are going to study or in which university and what are the subjects of the university and you have to tell them because they are not able to find it.
So, this accompaniment and opening windows of what is possible, of what can be studied, of where to look, that is very important and it helps that at that age, the girls gain confidence and can then feel more empowered to follow a technical career.
In this case, it can also be that they continue to study, not only a technical career.
Then there is also the Technovation, which is still to work before, this is to do a bit of the quarry.
We work with the girls at the university, with the girls already in high school and in the fourth year of ESO and already with the younger girls, between 10 and 17 years old.
So, this is a global platform that makes every year a contest I have been a judge for several years that makes some spectacular projects.
The girls, what they have to do is to develop an application where they solve a problem of their community.
So, you can't imagine the beautiful and interesting projects that these girls do, and for them to approach and see the value that it has to work, to make applications, to make a business plan, to make a marketing plan.
And then...
We are running out of time, Edu.
We have three minutes left.
Yes, well, there you can put it to say...
For example, we have the Binary Group, which is a group from Ibero-America, women in cybersecurity.
Right now, the only thing that works is the Telegram mode.
It is a group and it shares information, but soon there will be a platform.
The Girls Can't Hug as well.
They are preparing a lot in 2014, because now there are many associations of women in technology, but it was founded in 2014 in San Francisco, Soledad, and they are also preparing a new platform with a lot of novelties in Andalusia.
Andalusia Women Digital, which was founded last year, Inspiring Girls, which goes along the lines of what Edu has been talking about.
And we have a little bit to give.
Well, I'm going to talk briefly about WIX.
I am a member of the board and also a founder, we founded it last year.
We have already launched the website, which has also cost us a little, but we have already launched it, where anyone who wants to collaborate can sign up for different commissions.
We have launched a call for people who want to mentor women with experience in cybersecurity to help them make their way.
We also have a FLAG culture for February and we are going to launch soon, well , it is already on the website, you can enter and you can sign up for the teams and we are going to launch the bases so that it is ready , surely, to deliver the awards in an event we have in February.
Here you can see it on the website, the different meetings we have done.
You see that we are many, they say there are no women, we are many when we get together.
We are many, already in the Telegram group we are 280 and every day more because there are many points of view of cybersecurity, as we have said, and many people from different backgrounds.
And this is...
Yes, well, I have already said it before, there is Sole with girls who are... right now she works for MITAS, but I already said that she has a platform to deploy, quite interesting.
And then we, as we are activists, and we like...
We are cyber activists.
What we want is to promote talent or that people see what is the value of working in cybersecurity, with which in everything they invite us, there we are, we make any effort, it's not for nothing, but Conchi came driving last night from Malaga.
I had a dinner until two in the morning and I got up at four in the morning to be here.
The truth is that what is needed to be able to carry the message and for people to see that we are very grateful and very happy to be in this world, which is very interesting, which provides value, and which supports us.
It is fashionable, cybersecurity is fashionable, many people want to get in the car, welcome, but when they get in, let them learn, as I say.
And we have to be in cybersecurity and it is not fashionable, it is necessary.
Well, we are very grateful to INCIBE for having us for all the events, always putting this part of inspiration, of saying hey, you can, whoever wants to work in cybersecurity has the foundations, can do it and well, this is an exciting world.
You are all welcome.
All.
Well, nothing.
Thank you very much.
To those who are outside, in streaming.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much, girls.
Are there any questions for them?
Over there we have.
Hello, good morning.
Thank you for your presentation.
I wanted to ask you a question.
Don't you think that the main problem that women don't work only in cybersecurity but in technical careers comes from the foundation?
And that fixing that problem in the foundation is the solution so that there is not in the past a thousand groups of women, women in tech...
That's why we work at all levels, that's why there is the Technovation program, working with families, because in the end this is education, it is social.
In the end, what happens is that, of course, if you want to make an impact, you have to start somewhere.
So we have seen that at the university it is late, that you have to start in high school, that in high school it is also late because the girls have already made their decisions.
So we are already working between 10 and 17 years old and the Inspiring Girl program is still for younger girls so that they see that it really has a purpose.
Because I think that because of the education that we have, as is the culture, we women always look for what is the reason, what is the purpose.
Everyone wants to be a doctor, a nurse, wants to be a veterinarian because they like to take care, they like to see that you are doing your feminine role.
So that, which is very good and also necessary, also that we can do.
And technology is what changes the world and women have to be there because we also have a different vision and we can complement.
In the end, it is to seek to be integral, not to be differential, but each one to contribute their own thing.
And what we have to do precisely is visibility.
Why don't they study that?
I recommend the program La Casa de Cerebros which is called De La 2.
The last program was about sex.
And the differences in medicine have not been treated.
Why do more women die from heart attacks?
Because the heart attack is not studied in women.
However, it is one of the major causes of death in women, but because it has not been studied.
So that's what we want and we have always been there.
What happens is that they have never given us the position.
Look at the history.
We have a magnificent transparency of the first women's forum.
The first modern-day hacker with all due respect to Román was a woman.
She was a hacktivist who said we need more routers.
Routers for women.
But they have never given us the position.
Well, there it is also true that we have to...
They have to see that we are there.
To change society among all.
They do not have role models.
We alone cannot change it.
We have to change everything among men, women, education, public administration.
It is a path that we all have to take.
Look, the National Cybersecurity Strategy supports, gives support in one of its lines, in one of its objectives, precisely supports women and, well, in general, among the most disadvantaged groups, among them, women.
So, among all, that is why we are here, barely asleep.
We agree on that.
What I do not agree on is that it is said that women are not there.
They really are not there.
Look, I'll give you an example.
I had a meeting in June with student associations of the Polytechnic, here in Valencia.
I asked them, how many girls study computer science?
They told me it was 10% of the students.
And I said, well, of that 10% of the students, how many girls are interested in the world of cybersecurity?
And they told me it was 2%.
So, you cannot be in a place where there is no interest to be.
I am not talking about you, I am not talking about the associations, I am totally inclusive and antisexist.
But, I see that they are not real data, because if we have 2% of women interested in cybersecurity, there will not be more than 2% of women...
Do you know how much percent there is in technology?
Let's talk only about professions, about technology.
The OCDE, in the last study, I think it was about 2017, made, let's say, a study of so many percent of technology.
It is that so many percent of technology studying does not reach 50% of men and women.
It is an educational problem.
Of course, but that's all.
There is the wage gap, among other things, so much of wage gap, it is not that maybe they pay us less, but when we have maternity, because that is only for women, it is not that it is for women, we have to make it not only for women, but for men and women.
So, when they benefit from laws, it is not only for women, but for men as well.
For example, the paternity permit , which is bigger, gives women more...
not confidence, but more comfort to be able to develop and for him to stay with the child.
But I was saying, the wage gap is not because they pay you less, but because the time you have to work, that you have to not work for maternity, when they do the rankings, it decelerates and comes out.
There are many things, but society of course...
Well, but it is what you say, we have to work before for that interest to develop and when they get to the university, or even if they don't get to the university, because we also know that here there are many self-taught people in the world of cybersecurity,
so they should see that this is really an exciting world, that there is room for everyone and that everyone can contribute from their point of view.
So I think that is what we have to work on and not when they get to the university, which is true in all universities, in telecom too.
The practical part, in telecom there is hardly any, but it is true.
I can tell you, when we started that career, we were almost half.
When I went to study at the university many years later, we were 22 girls, nothing more.
But I can tell you that throughout these 30 years, when I had to go to Madrid, to a congress, I went there, as I say, to La Pueblerina, from Extraradio de Madrid to Madrid, I was the only one, and two or three more.
Today I am very happy because there are many new generations that have been created with technology, that have been created with a father or a mother who opens a computer and is instilling it.
And I can tell you, I don't know where they get the numbers, but every time we are, we are seen more.
And it is true that we are more.
I'm sorry, girls, but with this we are going to stay.
Every time we are seen more.
A big round of applause for them.
Thank you very much.
I'm sorry because there were several questions.
However, they will be outside and they will answer without a doubt all the questions that you ask them.