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okay well welcome everyone thank you for

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joining the talk um so i'm going to go

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ahead and dive right in um i'll talk

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about myself at the end i want to give

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as much time to the topic uh i'm not

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really that important you can hit me up

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online if you really want to know more

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about me but we're going to go ahead and

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dive right in um so this talk was

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actually um developed by infosister

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amanda berlin who i'll talk about um a

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bit more later she's the ceo of mental

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health hackers

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and a few years ago she started talking

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about mental health in the community

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it's grown a lot a topic more people are

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and as you'll see later is blossomed

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into so much more with mental health

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hackers

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so the reason this talk is called

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contents under pressure it's kind of

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it's a very intense talk um it's a talk

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that does make some people uncomfortable

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but the point of mental health hackers

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and giving this talk is that even if

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it's uncomfortable to talk about it's

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something we need to talk about so this

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talk has been given a bunch of times

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i've given about three different

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versions of mental health

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related talks mine is more focused on

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the skill sets that come from

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neurodiverse

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how it can be leveraged and infosec

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um again my my talks typically cover

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that focus but here we're gonna get into

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the deeper talk of um

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why why this is important to talk about

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the uncomfortable topics that often um

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either have stigmas associated with them

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or aren't talked about for

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uh starting off uh we'll talk about the

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fact that

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everybody

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no matter your walk of life no matter

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where you are no matter your history

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probably has uh

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some sort of issue something they are

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depression is a big one it's the leasing

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cause for physical illnesses typically

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depression leads to other side effects

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that cause issues

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we we always talk about these things and

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bring it up instead of lay it down

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because the more we talk about it the

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ways we can come up with solutions and

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the more we can help people in our

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community our family our friends

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so what are some of the things we're

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dealing with um when we talk about

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mental health there's a lot of common

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them coming up but we talk about things

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like adhd anxiety autism bipolar

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disorder depression ocd schizophrenia

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gets affective disorder

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syndrome in infosec and it's actually

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medical condition we're not going to

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talk about it much today um there's

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about uh impostor

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syndrome out there now a lot of people

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health disorders side

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euphoria can lead to poor

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not great stigma to put out there um

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especially people who are chronically

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depressed um it's a real mental health

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issue and not just a i'm sad and

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have to interact with strangers so again

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it can have a huge impact um on your

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day-to-day uh interactions and

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disorders um

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masking so um for example i'm autistic

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judgment and the way culture would treat

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these aren't just things that

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a few of us are experiencing the reason

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that we've brought it to the community

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widespread

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health condition every year whatever

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mental health illness schizophrenia

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and half of mental health conditions

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begin at age 15 14 and then uh

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as you get older by 24 you're likely um

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if you're going to develop one habit

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sister the behavior chains and the

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um so we bring it up briefly just so you

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incorporates that semicolon um because

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college students over half of them

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so this isn't just something affecting a

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the cyber security community you may

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have seen on twitter uh there's a lot of

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threats of suicide online um there's

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a lot of people we've lost to suicide um

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infosister when she started talking

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about this um part of the reason was

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because at least five people in her life

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she met have died by suicide um so

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we can support each other and reduce the

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chances of this happening to our friends

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and i just want to quickly brief bring

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up the difference between um active

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suicidal thoughts and passive suicidal

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bringing in that plan there's a plan it

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may be vague um but there there is a

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very big chance the person um is really

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thinking about carrying this out um and

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then there's other passive suicidal

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thoughts such as i hope i don't wake up

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tomorrow if i you know jerked my

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steering wheel right now um it could be

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over uh but there's no intent behind

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because of depression um making it more

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no one should have to face this alone

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that's why we're talking about it

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whether it's comfortable or not

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it's better to talk about it as a

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community and be aware of these issues

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than let people who are facing this face

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it alone and by bringing it up someone

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may who may have felt

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uncomfortable talking to people before

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may find their way to feel comfortable

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and

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it's important uh

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to

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you know because infosec a lot of times

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there's

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our industry is not suited to face these

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challenges and so

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we need to start treating mental health

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issues like we talk about a

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uh

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a physical health issue um because it is

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that same level you know if somebody

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needed to take time off work to deal

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with treatment for diabetes uh you're

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not gonna tell them no suck it up stick

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it out um and we need to face mental

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health the same way we need to be able

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to say how your employee needs to be

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comfortable to say uh you know my

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depression is crippling today i need to

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take the time um

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to take care of myself so that this does

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not impact me long term uh and be able

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to take that time so that's why we talk

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about this

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um

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we we have to get the word out uh like i

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mentioned beforehand burnout even though

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i haven't touched on burnout

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specifically um burnout rates are so

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high in cyber security probably everyone

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knows someone who is in cyber loving

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cyber and then you know decided yeah

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maybe i'll change careers um

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because

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we

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we're pushed to our limits especially if

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you're in a high pressure field

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like a sock or incident response

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um

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you know overwhelmed with clients for

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different projects

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we

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add on mental health issues pre-existing

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on top of that uh

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this is why our hiring rates are are so

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low in cyber security

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every time we bring new people in we

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have people leaving because of burnout

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so

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i want to move into talking about uh

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kind of the start of mental health

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hackers how we got here like i said info

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sister had been talking about mental

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health for a little while um a few other

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people in the community had started

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sharing talks like this at conference

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especially talking about their issues

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trying to break that stigma by saying

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look i'm facing this let's talk about it

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um all of us need to talk about it so

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um

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there was

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with the interest uh from infosister's

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first talk on mental health she wanted

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to come up with a way to do kind of this

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mental health workshop like how at

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conferences can we we bring our presence

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and bring up this topic um

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so

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the idea she kind of came up with was

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okay let's

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have a chill room a quiet area where

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people can hang out at conferences get

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away from the noise

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get away from you know being bombarded

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with

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uh

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infosec

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um especially people who had anxiety

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often conferences are rough to meet that

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many new people so where's a place where

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i can

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go sit in a hole

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and

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ignore that

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for a little while

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so

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that's where uh at derbycon 8 2018 the

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year before their final year

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uh

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amanda submitted a cfp for derbycon

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got accepted

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and

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they

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said we can either give you sponsors or

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you can try crowdfunding and she wanted

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to see

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what the community the support we could

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get for the community how

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uh people have what the interest and

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reception was gaby you know before the

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village was even there so we set up

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crowdfunding uh she needed three

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thousand dollars you know for travel for

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all the supplies and this was the first

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time

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and the gofundme actually raised over 7

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000

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dollars

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between 28 donors

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so

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the village came up it launched uh

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and a few statistics there was 22

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volunteers

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eight presentations dedicated to mental

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health topics instead of infosec

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specifically

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seven group discussions two hours of

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yoga we had about 120 chair massages

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given

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um and a flattened lint tile check out

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lintile on twitter if you don't follow

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him

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he's a fun time so

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these if you've ever been to the village

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or ever go to the village you'll see our

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little blow up loungers uh last

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conference i ran just a week ago there

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was actually snoring coming from that

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corner so

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big uh

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yeah big big uh popularity at the

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conferences

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here's just a few pictures from the

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first year again are

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inflatable loungers uh yoga

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presentations

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is so chill and area people you'd be

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giving presentations and as you can see

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the rollers uh are moved up

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people are coloring during presentations

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uh we actually last week our

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presentation we didn't want um

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blue team con to have to pay what where

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outrageous costs for

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projectors and stuff uh so the format

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actually ended up being very loose but

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very great people sat down at the table

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to give their talk and just kind of

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roundtabled it uh pulled up their talk

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on their laptop if they had slides

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um and and

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it it was it turned out really well um

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even without uh having that that set up

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um

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so along with the yoga and stuff the

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yoga presentations massage therapy

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uh

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we had paracord crafts essential oils a

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therapy dog came to visit the first one

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a fidget table was

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super popular uh lots of different

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fidget toys to try

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and yeah so

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it ended up being really well

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and coming out of this

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um there was clear interest that

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first a bunch of other conferences

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started reaching out hey we saw you did

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this mental health village um if we have

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a sponsor can you come how can we donate

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to this being run without the gofundme

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still being out

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and that is when the

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idea for a non-profit a 501c3 popped up

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and named it mental health hackers i had

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a friend create the logo

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amanda i i unfortunately i will always

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be bummed i did not get to be at the

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first conference

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at that time i had never even met amanda

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in person

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but we had talked a few times she knew

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i had talked about mental health and was

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a huge advocate so she said well do you

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want to come on board

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so november 14th we got our official

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business license operating as a

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non-profit and by april 11th 2019

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we had our 501c3 dedication

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and

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the

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at the lowest level how we describe

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mental health hackers is where hackers

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helping hackers

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amanda often talks about how it's kind

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of aa but for

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hackers we we want to bring up issues

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talk have a support

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community

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so

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uh

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i have a statistics um on

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kind of uh

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up until this is all pre-covered

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statistics we started running our

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village again i believe we've had two so

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far

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post coven

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but prior to covid we'd offered over 15

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000

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massages we'd hosted over 20 hours of

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yoga lessons

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we've made printed over 2000 stickers

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70 volunteers in our slack

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and

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we've

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we've built up the capability to run

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four villages at once if there was four

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conferences that wanted us in a single

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weekend

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we now have two full villages and two

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mini villages which is basically we have

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all the supplies you need to run a basic

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village

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in shippable boxes

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uh so that that was a lot of growth for

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us i mean find us on social media if you

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00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,760
want to check it out um

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in terms of location we've actually

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committed to

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we've actually run the village in three

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different countries i believe germany

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england and the united states so i take

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that back we did toronto since the last

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time so four countries

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um dozens of states

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uh and so it's been great to bring this

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not just to the us or to

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our local um

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areas but to the whole world essentially

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so

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just a quick introduction giving

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recognition to the board follow them all

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on twitter like i said amanda infosister

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she's the brains behind this operates it

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um and we have a few other officers um

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on board who help with various things

547
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,320
run the nonprofit

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special shout out to ginger hacks or tom

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00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,039
um definitely check him out he's

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actually on the board of

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vetcon

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and we brought him on to

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find the intersect of veterans and

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mental health so

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00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,799
that's a cool role that

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00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:23,280
didn't exist at first but he's been so

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00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,200
much help we wanted to integrate that

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00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:31,760
so what's next for us uh we developed a

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long-term vision

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00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,600
a lot of sponsors ask

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00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,600
what are we gonna do in five years ten

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00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,480
years what if we had an unlimited budget

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um

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so

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me and uh

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amanda start brainstorming what do we

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00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:49,280
want to do uh one of them's already

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00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,159
implemented our ambassador program uh

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unless any of you would like to pay for

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00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,200
me and amanda to travel to conferences

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full time

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unfortunately

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we have day jobs too

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00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:04,480
and

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we've got to

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00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:08,799
kind of delegate some of these

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conferences

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00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,520
so for example if somebody uh in toronto

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that was one case where they wanted a

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00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,440
conference neither of us had the time

581
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,159
nor the ability at the time to travel to

582
00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:23,679
canada um so we had someone who lived

583
00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:25,520
right across the border who was willing

584
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,400
to drive up the ambassador kit

585
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,559
and again those are shippable so

586
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:32,880
any volunteer or ambassador as we call

587
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,520
them who's uh comfortable running the

588
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,440
village at a conference that wants it

589
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,400
we're able to do that

590
00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:43,200
long long term if we had the budget we

591
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,400
want to start offering endowments

592
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,400
think about the fact that

593
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,600
not

594
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,600
mental health services often come with a

595
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,200
price

596
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,640
and

597
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,679
especially if your job does not provide

598
00:22:57,679 --> 00:22:59,760
those benefits we want to be able to

599
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,440
help people get the help they need

600
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,280
we'd want to partner with online support

601
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,200
services there's a lot of online therapy

602
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,000
services now where you can text or call

603
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,760
or chat

604
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,280
with therapists and

605
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,760
most of all and i actually started doing

606
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,039
this year this year coordinating

607
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,039
we want to get

608
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:26,000
as many people as possible mental health

609
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,799
first aid certified um so this is

610
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:31,360
just like your red cross first aid

611
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:36,480
course but how to handle um

612
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,440
handle a mental health crisis

613
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,039
long enough for

614
00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:43,360
a doctor or

615
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:46,799
a emergency services to get to a person

616
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:48,960
just like with first aid you're not the

617
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,360
doctor that's going to bandage someone

618
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:55,200
up or give them stitches um or or treat

619
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,640
them long term

620
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,799
but if you need to give cpr if you need

621
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:01,279
to stop bleeding on a wound

622
00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:03,200
first aid gives you the ability to do

623
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,960
that so

624
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,400
while

625
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,679
you're not gonna be the person who

626
00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:09,440
treats someone or takes care of someone

627
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,440
necessarily um you're not a doctor and

628
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,360
able to diagnose things

629
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,760
if there is a schizophrenic person who's

630
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,080
having an episode and you need to calm

631
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,600
them down

632
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,799
or somebody has made comments

633
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:23,919
that

634
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:26,559
they are thinking of committing suicide

635
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,400
until you can get to them to that

636
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,840
professional

637
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,240
who can solve the deeper issues making

638
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,000
sure that they're safe and the people

639
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,720
are around them are safe um

640
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,320
just a quick intro into uh

641
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,559
but the the key point of mental health

642
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,799
hackers is they

643
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:48,559
talk about a concept called algae

644
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:51,200
when you're responding you assess for

645
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,360
the risk of suicide or harm

646
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,919
you listen that's the biggest thing

647
00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:57,279
you give them reassurance and

648
00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,000
information and encourage them to go get

649
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240
professional help and then also

650
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,320
encourage self-help and support

651
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,960
strategies

652
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,039
so

653
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,600
one of the things uh one of the issues i

654
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,200
guess we came across when we started

655
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,039
mental health hackers well we had

656
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,320
massive support from a lot of people

657
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,000
we did unfortunately

658
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,159
come across a lot of people

659
00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:24,799
who were very upset we were starting the

660
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,360
organization they asked us how we're

661
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,799
qualified

662
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,720
where the doctors are as part of our

663
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,960
group but

664
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,840
there's so many resources out there that

665
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,720
talk about how peer support works so

666
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,799
instead of losing it back on people who

667
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:43,360
were getting upset with us and

668
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,320
and responding poorly amanda got all the

669
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,440
research out there on peer support and

670
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,200
how it works i mean we we see all the

671
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,760
alcohol anonymous and narcotics

672
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,679
anonymous like there's these peer

673
00:25:57,679 --> 00:25:59,600
support groups where just talking and

674
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,559
breaking down the stigma is enough to to

675
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,440
help people even as if it's

676
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,279
uh to help them seek professional help

677
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:10,960
at no point will any of our board

678
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,440
members especially me and amanda claim

679
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,760
that we're able to help professionally

680
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,159
we just want to be able to

681
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:19,919
talk to the community

682
00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:22,799
and help people feel comfortable to seek

683
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:24,799
that help or some people don't even

684
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,200
necessarily need that professional help

685
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,440
may not have these diagnosable mental

686
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,600
health conditions but literally just

687
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,919
need a friend to talk to um and so we

688
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:35,360
want to be that friend we want to be

689
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,200
those peers that make you feel

690
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,720
comfortable

691
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,640
so we're not the only ones out here

692
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,640
doing this um

693
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,039
listing off just a few people to follow

694
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,159
on twitter to to see

695
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,240
the people trying to make a change in

696
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,080
the community um charles or bsd bandit

697
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,120
uh

698
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,960
you'll if you go look at his videos

699
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,960
he'll just record videos of himself in

700
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,240
the morning

701
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,039
saying everyone's

702
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:05,120
welcoming everyone a good morning

703
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:08,080
talking to people just spreading good

704
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,799
moves into the air um

705
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,760
marley uh constantly posts this tweet

706
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,600
where she just reminds people she's glad

707
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,679
you're alive uh matt a red teamer um he

708
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,240
talks a lot about mindfulness you got

709
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,760
infosec steph who uh steffenseck who

710
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,279
uh just has some daily affirmations um

711
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,360
positive vibes and blunster uh he

712
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,240
he just has a good attitude and again uh

713
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,399
encourages people to reach out

714
00:27:38,399 --> 00:27:40,559
wishes everyone a good day all the time

715
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:41,919
um

716
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:44,320
podcast security podcast break sec for

717
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,440
example

718
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,120
breaking down security

719
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,039
security weekly

720
00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:52,080
many hats club all of them have podcast

721
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,720
episodes dedicated to mental health um

722
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,240
so it is getting out there we are

723
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,720
starting to talk about this a lot um

724
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,399
2017-2018 is when i recall

725
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:04,640
the discussion starting to get broader

726
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,640
there's higher visibility into mental

727
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,960
health

728
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,880
so

729
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,679
it's not just uh

730
00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:15,840
in an industry and in our community that

731
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,039
we need to

732
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,039
work on this though we also need to

733
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,039
start changing things in the workplace

734
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:25,360
kind of like i said the the idea that

735
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,000
you wouldn't fire someone for needing to

736
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,799
go

737
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:30,720
treat their diabetes or their heart

738
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,320
issues

739
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,360
if somebody's burnt out has bad anxiety

740
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:37,360
is literally crippled by mental health

741
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,440
to the point that they can't work

742
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,559
um

743
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,480
either bringing up these

744
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,159
these stigmas are saying you know stick

745
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:47,360
it out like you know you're not sick uh

746
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,840
it is a horrible issue

747
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:50,880
um

748
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,200
and so many people are

749
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,880
not comfortable

750
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,880
talking to their boss their leadership

751
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,679
hr about the mental health issue they're

752
00:28:59,679 --> 00:29:01,520
dealing with and

753
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,919
i honestly find that really depressing

754
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:05,360
myself

755
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,480
i

756
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,320
feel comfortable talking to my

757
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,880
leadership about the issues i know that

758
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,880
if i come to them and say hey i need a

759
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,159
sick day i i i'm not in the mindset i'm

760
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:19,120
having a meltdown um the the autism

761
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,720
getting to me my meds aren't working

762
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,600
today i need to go lay down i need to

763
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,559
process they'll say yep take your day uh

764
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,000
we'll see you tomorrow we got things

765
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,880
handled um so

766
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,230
we

767
00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:32,480
[Music]

768
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,960
i wish i could what i want to say is if

769
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,000
you work in a place where you don't feel

770
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,200
comfortable

771
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,600
you're working in the wrong place leave

772
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,840
um

773
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,520
but people need to make money people

774
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,360
need jobs so

775
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,120
unfortunately leaving isn't always the

776
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,679
option so it's the

777
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:55,120
workplace that needs to

778
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,440
change a lot um

779
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,039
we need to create environments and

780
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:00,880
workplace where people are comfortable

781
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,640
bringing up the issues

782
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,279
instead of just making things work by

783
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,919
trying to suffer through a hospital

784
00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:10,080
hostile work environment

785
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,039
so

786
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,120
just bringing up a few examples of

787
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,039
companies who are

788
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:15,840
uh

789
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,760
working through some of these these

790
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,880
topics uh bell

791
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,840
they have a let's talk day they donated

792
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,640
ever

793
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,240
over seven million dollars to mental

794
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,399
health in canada um and they have an

795
00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:30,320
entire website they've built um

796
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,000
dedicated to

797
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,039
uh

798
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,039
educating the public about mental health

799
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:36,480
issues

800
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,880
delaward is another company

801
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,880
they actually

802
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,360
created a position called a city level

803
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,960
executive position called the chief

804
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,799
well-being officer

805
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:48,480
she launched a mental health at work

806
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,880
campaign that provides mental health

807
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,760
first aid training employees resources

808
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,440
information and educational

809
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,279
opportunities

810
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,919
johnson and johnson

811
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:02,799
created a mental health ambassador

812
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,039
program in which they recruited over a

813
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,559
thousand employees across 32 countries

814
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,440
and trained more than 350 of them in

815
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,320
mental health first aid training

816
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,200
additionally they extend mental health

817
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,799
services

818
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:22,720
as a benefit to employees family members

819
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,080
and then

820
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,519
ernest young they have an rok program in

821
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,120
which they provide

822
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,399
resources for counseling um

823
00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:34,720
various uh methods of counseling such as

824
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,039
like online on phone in person face to

825
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,360
face um and i'll bring up ibm quick

826
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,120
since i work for ibm i'll give them a

827
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,799
shout out like i said they've made me

828
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,480
feel comfortable talking about our

829
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,480
issues

830
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,200
and we have

831
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,799
neuro-diversity-specific training

832
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,039
and a lot of safe spaces

833
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:54,880
private channels for people facing

834
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,279
different mental health issues to feel

835
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,480
comfortable talking

836
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,039
and getting into the statistics uh for

837
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:04,880
those of you who like numbers for when

838
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,799
you're talking to your managers in c

839
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,480
levels and people who speak in

840
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,240
statistics and numbers

841
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,240
um

842
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,640
when when they want to know uh we could

843
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,320
talk about the

844
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,440
economic impact of depression depression

845
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,039
and anxiety uh so the estimated cost

846
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,760
just in terms of lost productivity due

847
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,080
to mental health issues is over one

848
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,799
trillion dollars per year in the uh

849
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,279
in the global economy

850
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:34,720
um

851
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,559
work is good for mental health in a lot

852
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:38,960
of places people need to have a

853
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,039
having a purpose means a lot to a lot of

854
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:43,039
people it helps mental health um but

855
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:44,640
when you're introduced into a negative

856
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,320
work environment uh is is not

857
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,159
gonna be a positive thing for mental

858
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,720
health um harassment and bullying over

859
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,679
mental uh are common problems in the

860
00:32:55,679 --> 00:32:58,559
workplace and will have an

861
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,559
adverse impact on mental health

862
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,399
especially if you're

863
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:04,240
speaking about someone who already has

864
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,279
issues

865
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,960
somebody has anxiety

866
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,519
of what people think of them and they're

867
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:10,960
outwardly

868
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,360
being bullied or having things commented

869
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,679
on it's just going to get worse

870
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:17,600
um

871
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,840
so

872
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:21,840
let's see

873
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,080
so what are some changes that can be

874
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,519
made first

875
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:29,120
flexibility like i said when somebody

876
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,840
is is having issues and getting burnt

877
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,760
out knowing that you may need to make

878
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,240
adjustments

879
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,200
so

880
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,399
uh a couple

881
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:40,559
suggestions if you have the budget a

882
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:44,000
monthly stipend um getting people giving

883
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,320
people a stipend to use for therapy

884
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,320
meditation gym memberships anything

885
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,039
that's gonna help their mental health uh

886
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,600
a very important thing is healthier work

887
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,120
hours if somebody's uh

888
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,480
for me that's a big thing is kind of

889
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,039
having the flexibility um of knowing

890
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,279
that i can work the hours that work best

891
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:04,240
for me

892
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,600
uh especially in in a lot of roles where

893
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,440
people feel the pressure to be around

894
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,239
that's how we burn out is either working

895
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,839
long hours um working hours that impact

896
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:17,599
a person's ability to maintain a

897
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:21,159
work-life balance

898
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,239
another thing is getting the employee

899
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,399
buy-in if you're going to move forward

900
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:30,239
with these programs you need your

901
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,199
employees to

902
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,599
be involved and recognize it

903
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,000
people don't take advantage of these

904
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,359
benefits like let's say the monthly

905
00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:44,399
stipend example you may see a low um

906
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:47,679
low interaction with that thing um but

907
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,480
it may be because there's not awareness

908
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,800
a lot of times like i consistently find

909
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,199
out about programs that exist for

910
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,160
employees at ibm that just aren't well

911
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,079
advertised so you know you might just

912
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,200
come across it at some point per mention

913
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,520
so it's important getting it out there

914
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,760
and then again that stigma is kind of

915
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,240
like if you think about those companies

916
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,960
that offer unlimited pto and there's

917
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,280
always that concern about like was it

918
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,119
really unlimited like i don't feel like

919
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:18,800
i can use it because then i'm taking

920
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,240
advantage same thing with a mental

921
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,880
health like like well they give me this

922
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,880
stipend but if i start

923
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,079
using it

924
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,000
um are

925
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,280
people going to uh

926
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920
are people going to start judging me or

927
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,280
asking what's wrong with me that i'm

928
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,839
using this budget

929
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:40,320
and it's important that that leadership

930
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,400
um kind of show their support of these

931
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,440
programs open up about their own issues

932
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,480
to show

933
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,640
that it's not

934
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,200
a negative thing to talk about it

935
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,280
we want to make it easier

936
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,960
to get help

937
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,040
whether that's opening workplace

938
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,640
dialogue providing coping strategies um

939
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,359
off making sure your insurance plans

940
00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:04,960
cover therapy

941
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,000
those kinds of things

942
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,040
some organizations may provide online

943
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,400
therapy services

944
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,440
to their employees while others uh bring

945
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,280
professionals in-house for example

946
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,200
there's a

947
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,000
an accounting firm in illinois that

948
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,160
illinois star that all of them their

949
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,320
employees they have access to a

950
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,880
psychologist that's in-house

951
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,440
and a certified life coach that comes in

952
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,079
once a year to talk to employees

953
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:35,680
and then track your progress again

954
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,400
speaking to the managers and leaderships

955
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,240
like any program you implement you have

956
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,520
to justify it um so are we seeing a

957
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,320
lower rate of people leaving the company

958
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,240
lower rates of burnout

959
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,359
it's important to track

960
00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:53,280
quality of the work being produced in

961
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,560
productivity levels turnover rate sick

962
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,920
days

963
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,000
to show that these programs are working

964
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,599
and best bet is they are going to work

965
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:02,800
there's a reason we're talking about

966
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,839
this and bringing up these

967
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:06,240
recommendations

968
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,520
the apa they have a thing called the

969
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,320
collaborative care program that gives an

970
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,839
outline of um kind of working the

971
00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:20,720
workplace um and uh providing resources

972
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:24,240
uh so that's a good resource to visit if

973
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,240
you'd like to

974
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:26,960
get

975
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,079
get some more information

976
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,079
workplacementalhealth.org

977
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,400
there's also things you can do on an

978
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,480
individual level

979
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,760
changing your day-to-day in order to

980
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,240
improve yourself you can't just rely on

981
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,000
your company to improve your mental

982
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,960
health

983
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,880
so it's important that

984
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,119
while it's important that the workplace

985
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:50,880
make adjustments you have to make

986
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,720
adjustments yourself

987
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,280
i feel confident when i'm working when i

988
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,160
do go to my leadership and say hey

989
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,920
i need you to adjust this in order to

990
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,560
support my mental health or i need a day

991
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,359
off

992
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:05,040
i'm also making sure that i'm meeting

993
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,079
them halfway like okay you're doing this

994
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:09,680
meanwhile i'm doing this you know i'm

995
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,839
taking a day off but i'm spending that

996
00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:12,640
day

997
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,480
figuring out how to get past these

998
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,119
issues so that tomorrow i come in a

999
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:18,400
better employee

1000
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,839
um

1001
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:20,960
so

1002
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,760
one thing i also want to talk about um

1003
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,280
not just changing your day-to-day um but

1004
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,960
changing how you interact in the

1005
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,920
workplace and with other people to

1006
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,920
ensure that there's a peer support

1007
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,800
community um so

1008
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,000
a lot of times uh we say the wrong thing

1009
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,160
like i said depression

1010
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,760
a lot of people there's the stigma it

1011
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,079
just means the person says so like hey

1012
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:46,880
you know

1013
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,560
uh

1014
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,240
cheer up like there's good things

1015
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,240
happening like that is not something

1016
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,400
helpful to say um

1017
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,560
calm down is about the worst thing you

1018
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,800
can say to me when i'm having one of my

1019
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,920
autistic meltdowns or breakdowns like i

1020
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,000
calm down as not what you say to me

1021
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,920
because i would calm down if i could

1022
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,839
like that is something uncontrollable

1023
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:10,400
due to mental health issues

1024
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,280
so

1025
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,720
um one thing your words um

1026
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:15,680
matter

1027
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,560
uh

1028
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,720
learn what people

1029
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,040
with mental health issues

1030
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,440
face so like um a lot of autistic people

1031
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,440
prefer to be called autistic over a

1032
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,359
person with autism um there's

1033
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:32,400
things like schizo or crazy don't use

1034
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,320
those words to

1035
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,560
describe

1036
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,440
people with mental health as issues

1037
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,359
i always say it's best

1038
00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:44,240
to talk to the person um facing that

1039
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,920
mental health issues to see what they're

1040
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,599
comfortable with

1041
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,440
and then um

1042
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,560
again be kind uh

1043
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,119
that doesn't mean say everything's fine

1044
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,760
just relax the way you offer support to

1045
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,240
someone facing challenges

1046
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,760
is being supportive of the issue

1047
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,359
and safety's like i'm sorry you weren't

1048
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:06,800
feeling well

1049
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,400
i've noticed you've been upset is there

1050
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,800
anything i can do can i help out what do

1051
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,480
you think about what are you struggling

1052
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,000
with uh

1053
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,319
that's why i try to ask my friends

1054
00:40:16,319 --> 00:40:19,040
and people i interact with um

1055
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:19,839
i

1056
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:22,319
typically i don't think i ever say it's

1057
00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:24,480
gonna be okay or

1058
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,440
you know

1059
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,960
just chill out

1060
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,040
i i'm always trying to get too deep of

1061
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,280
it like hey i noticed you've been bummed

1062
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,599
out what's up not hey i noticed you've

1063
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:37,200
been out bummed out you should cheer up

1064
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,720
so finally

1065
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,000
in closing

1066
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,760
uh

1067
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,800
there's so much more we can do um

1068
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,960
speaking of which mental health hackers

1069
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,040
uh last i think in may um we ran a

1070
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,119
hackers who paid session um think of

1071
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:54,880
like painting with the twists were those

1072
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,280
step-by-step bob ross style here's to

1073
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,160
paint

1074
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,400
we have one of those coming up i'll

1075
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,880
follow our twitter for the eventbrite

1076
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,119
that i'll be posting soon

1077
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,760
but we have these different peer support

1078
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,839
things we'll be at conferences if you

1079
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:11,520
want us to come to your conference reach

1080
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,400
out

1081
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,280
but most important

1082
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,760
outside of the organization in general

1083
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,440
our community needs to talk

1084
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,359
support each other

1085
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:25,119
and make sure we're

1086
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,359
bringing these issues to awareness in

1087
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:31,200
the community and our workplaces

1088
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,200
like i said just gotta end with a bit

1089
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,440
about me i never want to start uh

1090
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,520
because i gotta make sure i got time to

1091
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,880
do the important stuff uh so

1092
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,720
my name is megan you follow me on

1093
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,440
twitter um i have a weird mishmash of

1094
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,760
talking about my talks my work with

1095
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,720
mental health hackers and my amateur

1096
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,880
fight career

1097
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,599
i'm a threat researcher at ibm

1098
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:58,319
i am autistic and i am the cfo of mental

1099
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:00,160
health hackers

1100
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,440
i had the math degree on the board so uh

1101
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,200
they designated me cfo because

1102
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,319
apparently uh i'm good with numbers uh

1103
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:10,560
but if anyone has any questions um i'm

1104
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,560
gonna turn it back over to the studio uh

1105
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,078
and let them handle that piece