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翻譯 馬丁馬丁回音山 杏仁斯嘉麗
校對 杏仁斯嘉麗
-教宗陛下 -斯通女士 - Your Holiness... - Ms Stone, please...
時間軸 DA 紫夏
如果在我們談話過程中 I will be eternally grateful if,
你能避免不停換邊交叉雙腿的話 during the course of our conversation,
后期 武漢加油！中國加油！
那我將感激不盡 you avoided the uncrossing and re-crossing of your legs.
總監 杏仁斯嘉麗
沒問題 Sure.
你給我帶了什么禮物 What gift have you brought me?
我帶了我自己 還不夠嗎 I brought myself. Isn't that enough?
如果你能答應 It would have been,
在這里度過余生 had you only promised to stay here
那就夠了 for the rest of your life.
但恐怕你會離開 But I fear you will depart,
而我將失去對你的有形記憶 and I will be left with no tangible memory of you.
那么 Well...
-謝謝你 -不客氣 - Thank you. - You're welcome.
我要讓人把它們放在最特別的圣物箱中 I shall have those placed in a most special reliquary.
你有一雙美麗的腳 盡管有些大了 You have beautiful feet, however, they are rather large.
這是我唯一的缺陷 你有缺陷嗎 圣父 My only defect. Do you have any defects, Holy Father?
我就是缺陷本身 "defectus" I am the defect. I am defectus.
"defectus"在拉丁語中意為失去 Defectus, in Latin, means missing.
我失去了我自己 I have missed myself.
你知道如何找回嗎 家庭 Do you know the cure for that? Family.
我發現孩子們能填補那一塊空白 I find that children fill that avoid.
我相信你知道 I'm sure you realize for me
對我來說 家庭不是個可行的建議 that's not particularly practical advise.
你可以放棄那身法衣 Well, you could drop that soutane.
順便一說 我很榮幸見到您 教宗陛下 By the way, I am very honored to meet you, Your Holiness.
我來這里不是出于人類的好奇心 And I haven't just come here out of some human curiosity.
-我有個請求 -我很愿意一聽 - I do have a plea. - I'm delighted to hear.
天主教徒的同性婚姻 Gay marriage for Catholics.
這種毫無意義的禁忌何時才能解除 When will this pointless taboo be eliminated?
當教會擁有了一位 When the Church has a brave,
勇于變革 內心堅決的教宗 revolutionary, resolute pope.
-這些品質我都不具備 -真遺憾 - Qualities none of which I possess. - What a shame!
雖然同性戀不是一種罪 Even though homosexuality is not a sin,
但婚外性行為是罪 sexual acts outside of marriage are.
《圣經》上說 According to the Bible,
性行為僅僅是為了繁衍后代 sex is intended solely for procreation,
因此只發生于男人和女人之間 therefore between a man and a woman.
《圣經》不能升級嗎 Can't the Bible be upgraded?
再怎么說 《圣經》不是一部蘋果手機 At last, the Bible is not an iPhone.
-又是真遺憾 -并不是 - Again, what a shame! - Not at all.
任何可以升級的東西 比如蘋果手機 Anything that can be upgraded, like an iPhone,
最終都會進垃圾箱 eventually ends up in the bin,
只能被更昂貴的機型替代 only to be replaced by a more expensive model.
《圣經》經歷了很長時間的考驗 The Bible has endured for a very long time,
其價值即使有變化 也只是略有變化 and its value has changed a little, if at all.
-因為它無法升級 -沒錯 - Because it can't be upgraded. - Exactly.
我想這根本不是"升級"的問題 I suppose it's not even a matter of "Upgrading".
這更像是 It's more a matter of
以某種方式彌合 somehow bridging the enormous gap
神圣與罪惡之間的巨大鴻溝 between the sacred and the sinful.
這需要一架相當長的梯子 時間之梯 Quite a long ladder is needed. The ladder of time.
通過提出這個問題 By broaching this object,
你和我已經縮小了鴻溝之間的差距 you and I have already lessened that gap.
雖然是一小步 但卻是一大步 It's a small step granted, but a step nevertheless.
聽到這個我應該好受些嗎 And this is supposed to make me feel better?
當然 Yes, of course.
我聽說你的智商是154 簡直是天才 I read that you have an IQ of 154, a genius practically.
你一點都不平凡 There's nothing ordinary about you.
天才們知道 生命的進化與我們無關 And geniuses know that life evolves in spite of us.
不管律師和工匠 In spite of lawyers and artisans,
政治家和砌磚工 politicians and bricklayers,
大學教授 university professors,
天才和教宗 geniuses and popes.
-我能喝杯水嗎 -當然可以 - Can I have a glass of water? - Of course you may.
如果你喜歡的話 可以喝一杯金湯力 You may have a gin and tonic, if you like.
現在喝金湯力有點早了 It's a little early for a gin and tonic.
喝金湯力永遠不嫌早 It's never too early for a gin and tonic.
干杯 如果可以的話 Cheers! Allow me, if I may,
請允許我再占用一會 to take advantage of your intellect
你的智慧 for some moments longer.
除了允許同性婚姻 Apart from allowing people of the same sex to marry,
你對天主教會有什么建議 what would you suggest the Catholic Church could do
能讓它更具有說服力呢 in order to make itself more eloquent?
這個 Well...
最終 In the end,
你能留下什么呢 what will remain of you?
除了在文藝復興時期 Beside a load of magnificent art,
你委托所有最偉大的藝術家 commissioned by you,
為你創作了一大批 in the Renaissance period,
宏偉的藝術作品 from all of the greatest artists.
現在也有偉大的藝術家 There are great artists now.
但你忽視了他們 But you ignore them.
也就是說 生命逝去 藝術留存 So life passes, art remains.
藝術也會逝去 Art passes, too,
但速度要慢一些 因為藝術更狡猾 but a little more slowly because art is more cunning.
圣父 我的大腿肌肉快睡著了 Holy Father, my adductor longus muscle is falling asleep.
我能換一邊交叉腿嗎 May I cross my legs the other way?
請稍等片刻 One moment if you would.
請便 Now you may.
好了 I done.
看見了嗎 我們做到了 There, you see? We did it.
我的好友 我們再一次做出了犧牲 Once again, hail-fellows, we made the sacrifice.
不要失望 Do not despair.
終有一日 我們都會懂得 Someday we will all come to appreciate
犧牲之美 the beauty of sacrifice.
但是 不是今天 Though, not today.
新教宗 第五集
法國 盧爾德市 10名受害者
我們的仇恨劍有所指
我們的敵人昭然若揭
是惡魔
是基督徒
正如《古蘭經》所言
他們中凡是順從你的 我必以你們充滿火獄
我靠
你是布拉曼特 阿果什的助手
而我是阿果什
有個位置空出來了 只有一個 就在我的宗教社區里
而那個位置是為你準備的
您是哪位神派來的
-教宗準備怎么做 -我不知道 - So, what's the pope gonna do? - I don't know.
-你怎么樣了 瓦埃洛 -很緊張 - And you, how are you, Voiello? - Nervous.
這可不是什么新鮮事了 是吧 That's not new, isn'it?
這個哈里發讓我晚上睡不著覺 This caliph is keeping me up at night.
無論你決定做什么 我的建議就一個詞 謹慎 Whatever you decide, my one word of advice is: prudence.
閉上眼睛 薇奧萊塔
屏住呼吸
翻譯一下 拜托 Translate, please.
像我們這種背德之人 The only principle unscrupulous men like ourselves
必須堅持的唯一信條就是 must always adhere to is:
"沒有證據的話 就別硬找了" "If you don't have proof, you don't have proof!"
我得出去透透氣 I need some air.
你不是吧 瓦埃洛 Seriously, Voiello,
如今你可是終于可以自由呼吸了 now when you can finally breathe easy.
直到昨天 Up until yesterday,
因為你過度剝削女性 thanks to your excessive sexual exploits,
你還是個完美的罪犯 you were the quintessential culprits.
但如今 多虧了盧爾德卑鄙的襲擊 But now, after that despicable attack in Lourdes,
你搖身一變成了受害者 you've become victims.
風向變了 我的朋友 The wind is shifting, my friend.
你最好順勢而為 You better fan it.
-我還沒想過這個 -我來就是為了這個 - I hadn't thought of that. - That's why I am here.
我能想到一切 說到這個 I think of everything, speaking of which,
一只討厭的老鳥一直聒噪 a mean old bird keeps squawking
斯帕萊塔和湯馬西·阿特布魯克的聯盟 about a Spalletta-Tomas Altbruck alliance.
他不是只討厭的老鳥 It is not a mean old bird.
而是只能干的麻雀 It is a splendid sparrow.
我懷疑那個人就是你 I suspected that was you.
我必須得知道他們結盟是為了什么 I need to know what's behind it.
不如就說是典型的人類弱點 How about that typical human weakness
也就是貪婪 also known as greed?
-他們會玩火自焚的 -那就隨他們去吧 - They're going to crash and burn. - So let them.
因為在那之后你就能重新上場了 Let them, cause afterwards you'll be back in the game,
強大更勝從前 stronger than ever.
我不能讓教宗玩火自焚啊 I can't let the pope crash and burn.
教宗不能受到損害 The pope can't be compromised.
-你是在向我求助嗎 -還不用 - You asking for my help? - Not yet.
他是誰
我兒子
未成年人不許進入我的教區
電影好看嗎 How is the movie?
垃圾
-錢不是問題 -親愛的...
錢從來都是問題所在
-您打算怎么辦 -我想到一個詞 - What are you going to do? - One word comes to mind.
我也想到了 To mine too,
一個我們得不惜一切代價避免的詞 one to be avoided at all cost:
伊斯蘭 islamic.
我想的不是這個詞 That's not the word I was thinking of.
如果您在盧爾德用對了詞 If you find the right word, in Lourdes,
對您的教宗威嚴將會是一大進步 it would be a giant leap forward for your papacy.
這個進步將讓您的權威勢不可擋 A leap that would make your authoritativeness unstoppable.
我對你很有信心 I have great faith in you.
這是我住處的私人號碼 That is the private number to my apartment.
只有丹尼有 現在多了個你 Only Danny has it. Danny, and now you.
只要你想 隨時給我電話 Phone, if you like, whenever you want.
您指派我丈夫做金融機構的領導 Did you appoint my husband head of the financial organization
是因為您對我有信心嗎 because you have faith in me?
不是 No.
那在這么多人中 為什么選了他 So why him, of all people?
尼采說過 Nietzsche said that
"基督徒決定將世界看作是丑陋邪惡的這一決定 "The Christian's decision to see the world as ugly and evil
讓世界變得丑陋邪惡" has made the world ugly and evil."
我們去盧爾德 We shall go to Lourdes,
我會發表講話 而老尼采將會改變他的看法 I will speak and old Nietzsche will have to change his mind.
要用睫毛膏嗎 Mascara?
不用 No.
不 No.
不 No!
亞當 Adam!
-快來 我們溜一圈 -不行 我在寫東西 - Come on, let's go for a ride! - I can't, I'm writing.
你會后悔的 You'll be sorry.
圣父 媒體都正面報道了您的"不" Holy Father, the press is positively enthusiastic about your "No".
就算是平時愛找茬的那些人 Even the usual faultfinders, days later,
幾天后也不斷贊頌您的偉大 continue to pray your greatness.
看看這個 Take a look at this!
你覺得呢 瓦埃洛 What do you think Voiello?
這結合了宗教與人性 A spiritual and human synthesis
直擊人心 that has touched people's hearts.
其媒體價值無可爭辯 The media value is irrefutable.
所以換句話說就是沒有實際價值 So in other words, no actual value.
你是這個意思嗎 Is that what you mean to say?
容我說句不中聽的實話 To be brutally honest...
你一向如此 瓦埃洛 You are always brutal, Voiello.
圣父 容我說句不中聽的實話 "不"之后 To be brutally honest, Holy Father, after that "No",
不難預料 it is quite reasonable to expect that
思想會轉化為行為 thought would translate into action.
那么你要我怎么做 So, what is it you had me do?
召集一支教宗的部隊 然后進軍 Rally a papal army and march it off
去打擊伊斯蘭恐怖主義嗎 to battle Islamic terrorism?
他這話說得比你還難聽 He's even more brutal than you.
當然不是 有中間方案 Of course not, there are intermediary measures.
那些方案會削弱那個"不"的效果 Measures that would weaken the success of that "No".
我同意 那個"不" I agree. That "No" is a moral
是最重要的道德宣言 declaration of the greatest significance.
教宗創造出象征 The pope produces symbols,
解釋的粗活兒必須由其他人來承擔 the vulgar act of explanation must fall to others.
瓦埃洛 這么看來你就是少數派了 So, Voiello, you seem to be in the minority,
但這不意味著你就是錯的 but that does not mean you are wrong.
我一輩子都是少數派 教宗陛下 I have been in the minority all my life, Your Holiness.
我所在的這個少數派只有我一人 In fact, I belong to such a small minority that I am the only member.
我接受埃默里·蒂斯沃斯采訪時 I will articulate my thinking
會好好表明我的想法的 during the interview with Emory Kitsworth.
在盧爾德不適合細說 Lourdes was not the place for that.
那里需要的是強烈的情感表達 What was needed there was a spectacular emotional expression.
不過 如果稱其為口號 However, if it makes you happier
你會更開心 那就這樣吧 to refer to it as a slogan, go ahead.
沒錯 Exactly.
您愿意什么時候接受采訪 圣父 When would you like to do the interview, Holy Father?
蒂斯沃斯已經迫不及待了 Kitsworth is quivering in anticipation.
還沒準備好 不過我會盡快告訴你 Not ready yet, but I will let you know soon.
當然 我一定要做好充分準備 Of course, I must be fully prepared,
不能讓瓦埃洛失望 so is not to disappoint Voiello.
這地方真是壯觀的歷史
你經常來這里嗎
每年都來神修
你喜歡嗎 吉羅拉莫
你喜歡嗎
-看看他還在不在 -誰
米莫大人
應該不在 我二十歲來這兒的時候他就很老了
-米莫大人 -他已經聽不見了
他也看不見 走不了了
米莫大人
我是安吉洛·瓦埃洛 你還記得我嗎
你去哪里 Where are you going?
-開個非正式會議 -聽著就很卑鄙 - To an informal meeting. - It sounds sordid.
的確 It is.
我做不到 I can't.
-為什么 -因為我受不了了 - Why not? - Because I can't anymore.
我有事要說 I have news.
我覺得我懷孕了 I think I'm pregnant.
我在 Here I am.
我剛準備掛 我以為你不會接了 I was about to hang up. I didn't think you were going to answer.
我想讓你相信 你的電話對我并不重要 I wanted you to believe your call wasn't important to me.
但是呢 你一直在等我打電話嗎 And instead? Have you been waiting for me to call?
等了一輩子 My whole life.
你今晚有什么打算 What are you doing this evening?
別誤會我 Don't misunderstand me!
初次約會選在這兒真是很不尋常 圣父 A highly unusual choice for a first date, Holy Father.
對神父來說 地下墓穴最接近于夜店 The catacombs are the closest thing to a nightclub a priest has.
那我們現在是要找吧臺嗎 So are we looking for the bar now?
并不是 要找方濟各二世的墓 Not exactly. The tomb of Francis II.
我覺得也拜訪一下他比較好 I thought it appropriate I pay him a visit as well.
-一起祈禱嗎 -好 - Shall we pray? - Yes.
你是否也覺得方濟各二世之死神秘而費解 Do you also find Francis II's death mysterious and inexplicable?
不 我相信官方說法 心臟停搏 No. I believe the official line: cardiac arrest.
你知道你可能是唯一一個相信的嗎 You know you may be the only one who does?
我知道 我也知道 I know. I also know that
大多數傳言都圍繞著瓦埃洛 the usual rumors are circulating about Voiello.
-但你置若罔聞 -不是這樣的 - Yet you pay them no heed. - No, I don't.
這么多年來 For years now,
瓦埃洛成了梵蒂岡里所有事的替罪羊 Voiello has been the scapegoat for everything in the Vatican.
而你敬仰瓦埃洛 And you admire Voiello.
我們合作很順利 我們都是厲害的棋手 We work well together. We're both good chess players,
哪怕我們一輩子都沒見過棋盤 even though we've never seen a chess board in our lives.
-有關于我的陰謀論嗎 -據我所知沒有 - Are there conspiracies about me? - Not as far as I know.
只有一連串的問題 Only persistent questions,
由這些問題衍生出許多八卦 which are the premise for a great deal of gossip.
說說看 Do tell.
有人問 這位教宗是瓷還是鋼 People are asking: is this pope porcelain or steel?
為什么不是介于兩者之間的玻璃鋼呢 Why not something in between: fiberglass?
-還有那個永恒的問題 -什么 - And then there is that eternal refrain. - Which is?
他是直還是彎 Is he gay or straight?
-我跟你講點八卦 -請講 - Now, I'll tell you a bit of gossip. - Please do.
教宗選舉的時候 萊尼·貝拉多得了一票 In the conclave, Lenny Belardo received one vote.
我知道 那曾經是一時的焦點話題 I know that. It's all anyone has been talking about for days.
但你們不知道那票是誰投的 But what you do not know is who cast that vote.
不知道 沒人知道 No. No one ever figured it out.
是我投的 That was my vote.
為什么 Why?
因為上帝不喜歡我 Because God does not like me.
-你知道我為什么當神父嗎 -不知道 - Do you know why I became a priest? - No.
因為宗教是一種敘事 Because religion is a narrative story that is told,
一種極其成功的故事 an incredibly successful story.
我發現了上帝是歷史上最受歡迎的主角之后 Seeing that God is the most popular protagonist in history.
我就再也不會滿足于把一生獻給 I would never have been satisfied devoting my life
小敘事 比如文學 電影 音樂 to minor narratives as I found in literature, film, music.
那些充其量只是讓人愉快的消遣 Those at best can only be enjoyable pastimes.
宗教敘事讓你最感興趣的一點是什么 And what is that interests you most in the religious narrative?
不斷探究最大的奧秘 The incessant inquiry into the greatest mystery of all:
人的本質 the nature of man.
那么 對神職人員永恒的問題 直還是彎 Hence the clergy's incessant question: gay or straight?
我只能說我年輕時是個朋克 I shall only say that I was a punk when I was young.
我覺得那要有趣得多 That seems to me far more interesting.
我們得定一下采訪日期 We have to set a date for that interview.
我知道我想對蒂斯沃斯說什么了 I know now what I want to say to Kitsworth.
如果你不介意的話 我想問下 If I'm not being indiscreet, could I at least ask you
你想和蒂斯沃斯談什么主題 what subject you would discuss with Kitsworth?
人無法被改變 但可以被引導轉向 That man cannot be changed, but he can be diverted.
我沒太聽懂主題是什么 I'm not really all that sure, Your Holiness,
教宗陛下 what the subject would be.
神職人員的戀童癖現象還有性侵犯 Pedophilia among the clergy and all the sexual abuse.
我認為這個問題最重要 That is the issue that matters most to me.
因為如果我們寬恕了他們 那他們會再犯 For, if we forgive them, they will do it again
如果我們懲罰他們 我們便沒有行基督徒的善 and if we punish them, we are not practicing Christian charity.
-但還有別的辦法嗎 -總有別的辦法 - But is there another way? - There is always another way.
我相信我當選教宗就是為了制訂計劃 And I believe I was called to the papacy to chart it.
病態的愛是無法被治愈的 索菲婭 Sick loves cannot be treated, Sofia.
癌癥可以被治愈 但愛不行 You can treat cancer, but not love.
有一種可能性就是改變愛的目標 One possibility, then, is to shift the object of love.
要怎么做 告訴我 How do you do that? Tell me!
采訪時 During the interview,
我要提出一個非凡的提議 I am going to make an extraordinary overture:
我要說我支持神父結婚 I intend to state that I am in favor of marriage for priests,
無論同性異性 both gay and straight.
我們得讓"可能的愛"合法化 We have to legitimize "Possible" love,
才能讓人們繞開"畸形的愛" so as to divert people from "Aberrant" love,
畸形的愛是一種暴力 which is a form of violence.
我沒有天真到以為這就是解決辦法 I am not so naive as to think that this is the solution.
它作為一種減輕損害的辦法 會行之有效的 But as a way of limiting the damage, it could well work.
圣父 你是在提議升級《圣經》 Holy Father, you're proposing to upgrade the Bible.
就像升級蘋果手機一樣 As if it were an iPhone!
你聰明而且不知疲倦 索菲婭 You are an intelligent and tireless worker, Sofia.
你能不能想出更好的比喻 Could you not come up with a more suitable metaphor, please?
我會的 公布這樣的提議是巨大的飛躍 I will. An announcement of this sort is a giant leap.
只是一小步 A small step
希望能讓人類歷史的大洋少一些眼淚 and hopefully less tears in the great ocean of human history.
這會成為爆炸性消息 真正的重磅炸彈 This will be a bomb. A genuine bomb.
不 這是折中的辦法 No. This is the middle way.
這是一千一百歐 It's 1 100 euro.
給馬里奧大人一百歐 給阿塔納西奧一千歐 100 for Don Mario, and 1 000 for Attanasio.
再見
-你拍了很多照片嗎 -對 五千多張
真的嗎
等等
聽眾朋友們 And now, a word to our listeners.
我們103電臺決定更改節目單 We at Radio 103 have decided to alter our programming.
今天我們不放音樂 不播娛樂節目 As of today, no more music, no more entertainment.
我們只廣播 We will be broadcasting one thing only:
庇護十三世教宗的呼吸 Pope Pius XIII's breathing.
從威尼斯圣若望及保祿醫院的 Live, from the intensive cure unity
加護病房直播 of San Giovanni e Paolo Hospital in Venice.
我們與教宗永在
永遠是我的教宗
103電臺
醫生無法解釋的是 And this is the fact that no doctor is able to explain.
教宗每呼吸415次就嘆一次氣 After 415 breaths, the pope let out a sigh.
呼吸414次 再嘆氣 Then, 414 breaths, followed by another sigh.
現在預計他呼吸413次之后會嘆氣 So now we are expecting 413 breaths and then a sigh.
這代表著什么 What does it all mean?
他回來了 庇護十三世回來了 He has come back! Pius XIII is back!
請關掉收音機 Turn off that radio, please!
狂熱慶祝萊尼·貝拉多的呼吸 All this fanfare over Lenny Belardo's breathing
給群眾留下了相當深刻的印象 has made quite an impression on the masses.
庇護十三世被人們偶像化的趨勢 The increase in the idolatry of Pius XIII
會立即抬頭 will be immediate.
教宗陛下 你和蒂斯沃斯的采訪 Your Holiness, that interview with Kitsworth
必須讓人們的注意力重新集中在您身上 is indispensable to refocus attention on you.
還不到時候 Not yet.
現在 他嘆氣之前要呼吸多少次 How many breaths now, before he gives a sigh?