我在蒙马特有个会。 I had a meeting in Montmartre.
一个在大教堂附近工作的朋友给我发了照片。 A friend who works near the cathedral sent me photos.
我很惊讶。 I was amazed.
我简直不敢相信。 I couldn't believe it.
所以我去了sacr - coeur，在那里你可以看到整个巴黎。 So I went to Sacré-Coeur where you can see all of Paris.
我感觉自己像是在电影里。 I felt like I was in a movie.
一部灾难片，一部美国电影。 A disaster movie, an American movie.
我热泪盈眶，瑟瑟发抖。 I was filled with tears, shivers.
这里面有一些非常暴力的东西。 There was something very violent about it.
荆棘之冠是我们首先想到的东西。 The Crown of Thorns is the first thing we thought of.
这真是圣母院的瑰宝。 It really is the treasure of Notre-Dame.
它触动了基督。 It touched Christ.
它被塞到了他的头上。 It was thrust onto his head.
它承载着全体人民的祈祷 It bears the prayers of all the people
他们两千年来就是为了见到这顶王冠。 who have come for 2,000 years to encounter this crown.
拯救它是必要的。 It was essential to save it.
与死亡近在咫尺，来到这里谈论死亡，这意义重大。 Being close to death, being here and talking about it, is a lot.
我认为这的确是一种恩典 I think that it is indeed a grace
为了在场， to be present,
去保护 to be there to protect
因为你永远不知道会发生什么。 because you never know what could happen.
我们是守护者。 We are the guardians.
我们准备做必要的事。 We are ready to do what is necessary…
来保护这个无价的文物。 to protect this priceless relic.
它是基督最重要的遗物之一。 It is one of the most important relics of Christ.
这是耶稣受难的遗物之一，所以它很宏伟。 It's one of the relics of the Passion, so it's something magnificent.
这对教会的历史非常重要 It's extremely important for the history of the church,
为了我们国家的历史和人民的忠诚。 for the history of our country and for popular devotion.
我们是这个非常深刻的爱的见证的安全保管人。 We are the safe keepers of this very profound testimony of love.
它是无价的。 It is priceless.
耶路撒冷圣墓骑士团的骑士 The knights of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem
是男人和女人谁决定了 are men and women who have decided
帮助确保对圣物的保护 to help ensure the protection of the holy relics
在法国，参加保卫荆棘圣冠。 and in France, take part in the guarding of the Holy Crown of Thorns.
我父亲，我祖父，我曾祖父 My father, my grandfather, my great-grandfather
他们自己就是骑士。 were knights themselves.
荆棘之冠是象征 The Crown of Thorns is the symbol
这位为我们放弃一切的国王。 of this king who gave up everything for us.
这绝对是压倒性的。 It's absolutely overwhelming.
你只能被触动到你的内心深处。 You can only be touched to the core of yourself.
上帝拯救了我们。 God saved us.
阿们。 Amen.
景色真美。 What a view.
-风景总是在变。-是的。 -The scenery changes all the time. -Yes.
这是我最喜欢的部分 The part that I like most about this
是跟随某事的一部分… is the part of following something…
两千多年前发生的事 …that happened more than 2,000 years ago.
沿着这条路走下去的可能性是存在的， And that the possibility of following that route exists,
这对我来说简直不可思议。 it seems incredible to me.
我们正处在圣杯之路的一个标志性点上 We are at an iconic point on the The Path of the Holy Grail
在罗瓦尔城堡。 at the Castle of Loarre.
为什么这一点很重要？ And why is it important, this point?
因为据说这里有武僧 Because here it is said that there were warrior monks
长期保护圣杯的人 who protected the Grail for a long time.
我们走吧。 Let's go.
这些人一定是保护圣杯的修道士。 And these must be the monks protecting the Grail.
这太神奇了。 This is amazing.
这是圣杯曾在这里的有力证据 It's a great indication that the chalice was here
他们做了一个雕刻 and they've made a carving
只是留下一个脚印。 to just leave a footprint.
我真的很兴奋。这真让我毛骨悚然。 I'm really excited. It just makes my hair stand on end.
是。 Yes.
我对自己的信仰很失望， I've had a disappointment with my faith,
我不太相信教会说的话。 and I don't believe a lot of what is said by the church.
但事实是存在一些物理上的东西 But the fact that there is something physical
已经存在了两千年 that has survived for 2,000 years,
完好无损地保存了下来 that has survived intact, undamaged…
是的，它使我与耶稣基督的爱重新联系起来。 Yes, it has reconnected me with the love of Jesus Christ.
这太棒了。 This is awesome.
它会改变你。它会改变你的生活。 It changes you. It changes your life.
我是瓦伦西亚大教堂的牧师。 I am a priest of the Cathedral, here in Valencia.
也是圣杯的守护者。 And custodian of The Holy Grail.
我亲眼看到的和耶稣看到的一样，不是吗？ I am seeing with my own eyes the same thing Jesus saw, no?
每次我们把圣杯拿出来… Every time we take the Holy Grail out…
这是一个重大的责任…… it's a great responsibility…
这很令人兴奋，不是吗？ and that's thrilling, isn't it?
它触动了我的心。 It touches my heart.
它就像一个宏伟得难以触及的东西 It's like it's something too grandiose to touch
用我们可怜的双手这么简单的东西。 with something so simple as our poor hands.
我从来没有想过 I could never have imagined
成为圣杯的守护者 being the custodian of The Holy Grail
因为我小时候看到圣杯锁在柜子里 because when I was little, I saw the chalice locked in its cabinet,
有安全保护， protected by security,
似乎无法触摸的东西。 something that seems impossible to touch.
但现在，我看到主允许我接近它。 But now, I see that the Lord allows me to get close to it.
我是保护它的人 I'm the one that protects it,
当朝圣者到达时，就会看到。 that shows it to pilgrims when they arrive.
太激动了! So excited!
很好。我激动得喘不过气来。 So good. I'm so excited, I cannot breathe.
我们到了。 We have arrived.
几乎在那里。我们在这里。我们已经到了。 -Almost there. We're here. -We have arrived.
亲爱的兄弟, Dear Brothers,
我们取出了圣杯的圣物 we have taken out the sacred relic of the Holy Chalice
庆祝一年一度的圣日。 to celebrate the annual holy day.
我们祈求主，通过默想这神圣的遗物， We ask the Lord that by contemplating this sacred relic,
我们可以更新我们的基督徒生活。 we can renew our Christian life.
赞美永远是这圣物 Praise be forever this relic
必须引导我们默观我们主的神圣奥秘。 that must lead us to contemplate the holy mystery of our Lord.
我们在巴黎圣母院前面。 We are in front of Notre-Dame de Paris.
这座大教堂花了大约100年的时间才建成 This cathedral took approximately 100 years to build
并在这里矗立了860年。 and has stood here for 860 years.
我第一次去巴黎圣母院的时候才20岁。 The first time I went to Notre Dame, I was 20.
的确，我一直保留着那种伟大的情感 And it is true that I've held onto that great emotion
因为它是巴黎的大教堂 because it is the cathedral of Paris
还因为它是我国历史上重大事件发生的地方 but also because it is where the major events in our history took place
最重要的是，因为里面装着荆棘王冠。 and above all, because it contains the Crown of Thorns.
它使圣母院成为整个基督教的重要场所。 It makes Notre-Dame a significant place in the whole of Christianity.
拥有荆棘之冠 The possession of the Crown of Thorns
使法国国王凌驾于其他国王之上 gives the King of France preeminence over other Kings.
拿着荆棘王冠的是法国国王， The King of France is the one who holds the Crown of Thorns,
谁来捍卫它。 who is there to defend it.
这是真的。它确实是一个无生命的物体。 It is true. It's an inanimate object, indeed.
让我着迷的是它背后的东西。 What fascinates me is what's behind it.
我是一名管风琴师，工作了将近35年。 I am an organist and for almost 35 years now.
我曾有幸在巴黎圣母院担任风琴手。 I have had the pleasure of being the organist at Notre-Dame Cathedral.
我很幸运，经常与这个遗物有很近的接触。 I was lucky to be often in very close contact with this relic.
它是一种交通工具 It is a vehicle
这激发了很多热情和信念，就像音乐一样。 that inspires a lot of fervor and faith, just like music.
巴黎圣母院是我们的第二个家。 Notre Dame is our second home.
也就是说，我们每天晚上都在那里， That is to say that we are there every evening,
因为我们经营所有的服务，每年超过一千次。 since we run all the services, more than a thousand a year.
我们有一个荆棘之冠的展览 We have this exhibition of the Crown of Thorns
人们可以去崇拜它。 and which allows people to go and venerate it.
这个展览绝对是一个神奇的时刻， This exhibition is an absolutely magical moment to see,
不管我们是不是信徒。 whether we are believers or not.
看到所有前来祭拜它的人， To see all the people who come to venerate it,
看到这一切，我还是很感动。 it's still quite moving to see all this.
看到人们对王冠的反应真是太棒了。 It is wonderful to see people's reactions to the crown.
有些惊讶的人不敢相信自己的眼睛。 There are amazed people who can't believe their eyes.
有些人很沮丧。有男有女在哭泣。 There are people who are upset. There are men and women crying.
我第一次看到荆棘之冠是在耶稣受难日， The first time I saw the Crown of Thorns was on a Good Friday,
有很多人，很多人。 and there were a lot of people, a lot of people.
你得等很长时间才能接近王冠。 You had to wait a very long time to be able to approach the crown.
但当你站在皇冠前， But when you're in front of the crown,
你觉得自己很孤单。 you feel like you're all alone.
我们总觉得上帝在看着我们…… We have the impression that God is looking at us…
我每次都有这种感觉。 and that's the feeling I get every time.
每次我都想哭。 And I almost want to cry every time.
那是一个春日。 It was a spring day.
天气很好，所以我想…… The weather was good, so I think…
我记得窗户是开着的。 I believe I had the windows open.
我记得我在办公桌前工作。 And I remember I was working at my desk.
而在隔壁，在隔壁房间里，有一台电视正在播放 And next door, in the next room, there was a television playing
新闻频道不断。 the news channels continuously.
过了一会儿，我听到：“巴黎圣母院……” After a while, I hear, "Notre Dame…"
“埃马纽埃尔·马克龙”、“巴黎圣母院……” "Emmanuel Macron," "Notre-Dame…"
我最后听到的是， I end up hearing that,
那他为什么说巴黎圣母院？ and then why is he talking about Notre Dame?
我很幸运住得离大教堂很近50米远。 I'm lucky enough to live very, very close to the Cathedral 50 meters away.
所以我穿上外套，下了楼，然后近距离看到了它。 So I put on a coat, I went downstairs and then I saw it up close.
我在文化部工作。 I was at the Ministry of Culture.
电话响个不停。 The phone kept ringing non-stop.
我收到了一百条信息。 I got a hundred messages.
我读到的第一条信息， The first message I read,
它只是说：“我想你知道发生了什么事，” it only said, "I suppose you know what's going on,"
而我对此一无所知 and I didn't know anything about it.
所以我对自己说，“有个问题。我要去看看会发生什么。” So I said to myself, "There is a problem. I'm going to see what's happening."
你没有意识到，你说，“不，这不是真的。” You don't realize, you say, "No, it's not true."
“这不是现实。这不会发生，这是不可能的。” "It's not reality. It's not happening, it's not possible."
从那一刻起，我就惊呆了。 And from that moment on, it was stupefying.
我从小就想成为一名消防员。 I always wanted to be a firefighter since I was a kid.
储蓄，帮助别人，提供帮助。 Saving, helping people, providing assistance.
这不仅仅是一份工作，更是一种激情。 It's more than a job, it's a passion.
每一天都是不一样的。 From one day to the next, is never the same.
那天我们一起喝咖啡，做了一天的简短简报。 That day we meet for coffee, to do a short briefing for the day.
在检查消防车的设备是否正常工作之前， Before checking the equipment is working in the fire engines,
在机器里，如果它是可操作的。 in the machines, if it is operational.
我的一个手下走进我的办公室，对我说， I have one of my men coming into my office and tells me,
“我的准尉，巴黎圣母院着火了。” "My Chief Warrant Officer, Notre Dame is on fire."
然后我告诉他，“不，你在开玩笑，这是不可能的。” And then I tell him, "No, you're kidding, it's not possible."
巴黎圣母院着火对巴黎人来说是难以想象的。 Notre Dame on fire is something unimaginable for a Parisian.
即使是对一个巴黎消防员来说。 Even for a Parisian firefighter.
它是首都本身的象征，如果不是世界的象征的话。 It is an emblem for the capital itself, if not the world.
我们从莱斯哈勒隧道出来 We came out of Les Halles tunnel
出口就在大教堂的正前方， where the exit is right in front of the cathedral,
就在那一刻，我看到塔尖完全燃烧着， and at that moment I saw that the spire was completely ablaze,
被火焰吞没， engulfed by flames,
这是一件非常了不起的事情。 and it was something quite remarkable.
它只是一座建筑， It's just a building,
但我们每晚都在那里…… but we were there every night…
这就是我们的家。 and so it was our home.
这很难，因为我们什么都做不了。 It was hard because we can't do anything.
这就是困难所在。 That's what's hard.
对不起。 Sorry.
打扰一下。 Excuse me.
它又回来了。 It's coming back.
我需要呼吸。 I need a breath.
我以为我不会再为它哭泣了。 I thought I wouldn't cry anymore over it.
当我到达战术指挥所时， When I got to the tactical command post,
这时候他们就给了我拯救藏物的任务， that's when they give me the mission of saving the artifacts,
更具体地说，是拯救荆棘之冠。 and more specifically, rescuing the Crown of Thorns.
这是一项不同寻常的任务。 It is a mission that is unusual.
这对我来说是全新的体验。 It was something new for me.
我爸爸经常带我去参观大教堂， My dad often took me to visit the Cathedral,
所以，作为一个小男孩， and so, as a young boy,
我看过绘画、雕塑。 I had seen paintings, sculptures.
但我不知道 But I had no idea
那是保存在巴黎圣母院的荆棘王冠。 that it was the Crown of Thorns preserved in Notre-Dame.
我们非常担心它会被压碎。 We were extremely afraid that it would be crushed…
它会在这场大火中消失。 that it would disappear in this fire.
这是一种极大的痛苦。 So it was a great anguish.
我向圣母玛利亚祈祷 I prayed to the Virgin Mary
让她来保护这无价的文物。 for her to protect this absolutely priceless relic.
基督的荆棘王冠比巴黎圣母院更重要， Christ's Crown of Thorns is more important than Notre Dame Cathedral,
反正我们可以重建。 which we can rebuild anyway.
拯救它是必要的。 It was essential to save it.
我拿到了一份里面藏物的清单 I am given a whole list of artifacts that are inside
它们是用地图定位的。 which were located with a map.
在这张地图上，主干道不见了。 On this map, the main one was missing.
荆棘之冠。 The Crown of Thorns.
我的想法是，既然它如此珍贵， The idea being that since it was so precious,
我们不想解释它在哪里 we don't want to explain where it is
所以我们不会在任何文档中显示它。 and so we don't show it in any document.
在不知道具体位置的情况下，我们要找到它。 Without knowing where it is precisely, we're going to find it.
这是我作为消防员从未经历过的。 It was like nothing I've ever experienced in my life as a firefighter.
当时正下着灰烬雨。 It was raining ash.
还有木头烧焦的味道， And the smell of burnt wood,
这就好像你在处理一场森林火灾。 it was as if you were dealing with a forest fire.
而这个屋顶随时都有可能坍塌。 And this roof that could potentially collapse on us at any moment.
我们需要迅速采取行动。 We needed to act quickly.
我们看了看祭坛下面， We looked under the altars,
我们试图探寻画作背后的东西， we tried to look behind paintings,
椅子和桌子。 chairs and tables.
我们不知道该去哪里找。 We didn't know exactly where to look.
我们最后在一个玻璃框架后面找到了它， We finally found it behind a glass frame,
一顶用荆棘做的金冠。 a golden crown made of thorns.
在那一刻，我们能够摘下荆棘之冠。 And at that moment, we were able to remove the Crown of Thorns.
当你完成了交给你的任务， When you fulfil the mission you've been given,
知道这些就很满足了 it's satisfying knowing that
这对拯救宝藏的行动至关重要。 it was really crucial to the operation to save the treasure.
然而，庆祝活动是短暂的。 However, the celebrations were short-lived.
我从圣器收藏室出来， I came out of the sacristy,
我就是在那里学到了东西 and it was there that I learned
这顶王冠实际上是一个陈列品。 the crown was in fact a display copy.
消防员巴黎 FIREFIGHTERS PARIS
那不是真的。 It wasn't the real one.
所以我们不得不再次采取攻势 So we had to go on the offensive again
为了寻找王冠。 in search of the crown.
真正的那个。 The real one.
所以它燃烧。 So it burns.
它在燃烧，我知道这种悲伤。 It is burning and I know this sadness.
我们的许多同胞都感受到了这种内心的颤抖。 This inner trembling felt by so many of our fellow citizens.
但今晚，我还想谈谈希望。 But tonight, I also want to talk about hope.
首先，我想说一些想法和感谢 Above all, I want to say a few thoughts and thanks
为巴黎的消防员们准备的。 for the firefighters in Paris.
其中近500人已经战斗了几个小时 Nearly 500 of them have been fighting for several hours
与火焰的对抗还在继续。 against the flames and are still fighting.
人们都知道大教堂里有一些独特的东西 There was a knowledge that there was something unique in the cathedral
我们不能失去，不能燃烧， that we could not lose, that could not burn,
有些人可能冒着生命危险， that there are people who, perhaps at the risk of their lives,
去寻找那些需要保存的东西。 have gone to find that which needed to be saved.
教堂经理来了。 The cathedral manager arrived.
他们告诉我们它在保险箱里。 They told us that it was in a safe.
但他对这种情况有点震惊 But he was a little bit shocked by the situation
费力地向我们解释保险箱的确切位置。 and struggled to explain to us exactly where this safe was.
我记得有一个灰色的盒子 I remembered that there was a grey box
我一开始以为是变压器 that I initially thought was a transformer.
我说：“也许就是这样。” I said, "Maybe that's it."
这个保险柜用了几个锁上的密码。 This safe worked with a code made on several locks.
显然，我向经理要了这个密码。 I evidently asked the manager for this code.
当时很混乱，他…… It was pretty chaotic at the time and he was…
记不住这个臭名昭著的代码。 unable to remember this infamous code.
我们得另想办法打开保险箱。 We needed to find another way to open the safe.
我联系了指挥所 I contacted the command post
要求用机器打开保险柜。 to ask for machinery to break open the safe.
但与此同时，经理设法弄到了密码 But in the meantime, the manager managed to get the code
最后保险箱就可以打开了…… and finally the safe could be opened…
荆棘之冠也得以收回 and the Crown of Thorns was able to be withdrawn
就在磨工们准备第一次切割的时候。 just as the grinders were about to make their first cut.
大火刚刚被勉强扑灭。 The fire had just been defeated, barely.
消防队员冒着极大的危险扑灭了大火。 The firemen stopped the fire by taking the most extreme risks.
我们今晚在巴黎看到的…… What we've seen this night in Paris…
是动员的能力， is the capacity to mobilize,
团结起来，我们才能战胜一切。 to unite, so we can overcome.
这场火，我不敢说 This fire, I daren't say it,
但如此戏剧性的事件，如此可怕的事件， but such a dramatic event, such a horrible event,
产生积极的东西。 generates positive things.
巴黎圣母院的大火让法国人意识到 The fire at Notre-Dame allowed the French to realize
他们在法国拥有荆棘王冠是多么幸运。 how lucky they were to have the Crown of Thorns in France.
我想是的。 I think so.
这确实是这一漫长历史的又一篇章。 It is indeed another chapter in this long history.
消防员们知道他们不仅仅是在拯救一栋建筑， The firefighters knew they were not simply saving a building,
而是从法国的灵魂中拯救了一些东西 but were saving something from the soul of France
也是基督教的灵魂。 and the soul of Christianity.
我想我无法解释发生了什么。 I don't think I can explain what happened.
我相信圣脸每天都在救我的命。 I believe that the Holy Face saves my life every day.