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×ÖÄ» somebody said boy you must be joking around a lot nicer
×ÖÄ» now this is wonderful couldn't be any any better
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×ÖÄ» again thank you everybody for being here today
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×ÖÄ» something wrong okay alright time stocks is delighted and
×ÖÄ» honored to be here tonight
×ÖÄ» to present the oscar-nominated director
×ÖÄ» a citizen for the compelling and important film
×ÖÄ» nominated for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature
×ÖÄ» this year joining her is her collaborator in the film
×ÖÄ» the Pulitzer prize-winning journalist who was the first to write
×ÖÄ» about the film's revelations about government surveillance
×ÖÄ» a private citizens we are also very pleased to present
×ÖÄ» the live video the person who had the courage
×ÖÄ» to reveal his findings and started aw
×ÖÄ» you'll hear much more about our gas
×ÖÄ» the film and all the issues it raises
×ÖÄ» in just a moment from tonight's moderator every Monday
×ÖÄ» his New York Times media creation
×ÖÄ» column is must reading for everyone concerned
×ÖÄ» with how media intersects
×ÖÄ» with business and politics & Society & culture
×ÖÄ» he's also the author the prank and fascinating memoir
×ÖÄ» the night if the gun and the
×ÖÄ» Andrew our lack professor of media studies at Boston University
×ÖÄ» but before we meet him and our gas
×ÖÄ» let's take a quick look at citizen for
×ÖÄ» which will air on HBO on February 23rd
×ÖÄ» the day after the Academy Awards does the NSA
×ÖÄ» collect data I'm hundreds of millions Americans
×ÖÄ» not willingly
×ÖÄ» my name's and words snowden
×ÖÄ» good Joseph Simmons for me
×ÖÄ» I don't want to hide
×ÖÄ» I get arrested I get arrested
×ÖÄ» get the information regardless what happens to me
×ÖÄ» citizens for region are
×ÖÄ» now playing and now
×ÖÄ» please join me in welcoming
×ÖÄ» New York Times media columnist David Carr
×ÖÄ» and are very special gas Laura
×ÖÄ» watch arrests and Glenn Greenwald and
×ÖÄ» the live video Edward snowed in
×ÖÄ» the
×ÖÄ» Laura guess we should start by congratulating you on your
×ÖÄ» Directors Guild the word that's kind of rash
×ÖÄ» congratulations when I
×ÖÄ» could congratulate you on your pulitzer but
×ÖÄ» I'm a fellow journalist incredibly jealous
×ÖÄ» for her does a little stale so you know what
×ÖÄ» by 11 them baby sweet never gets a good
×ÖÄ» I'm so I'm I watched your film and it really is a
×ÖÄ» you know also documentary but it's a film in
×ÖÄ» aspects and I watched it for a second time the other night
×ÖÄ» you know it could have been more impressed audiences
×ÖÄ» in a huge fan in this film in particular in
×ÖÄ» how it fits with the other ones but I clicked right away
×ÖÄ» and watchin click the Like Beckham
×ÖÄ» something about
×ÖÄ» the way you made a movie
×ÖÄ» and whether reveals just makes a little hard
×ÖÄ» sleep mom
×ÖÄ» in I know party was the
×ÖÄ» that the realization we live inside a turnkey
×ÖÄ» security apparatus but they're also its
×ÖÄ» its its its part in the technique a
×ÖÄ» filmmaking in Utah heart about the feeling when you made it
×ÖÄ» fell dangerous in you've done your share
×ÖÄ» for reporting sir could you talk a little bit about that for me
×ÖÄ» mean as a filmmaker artists how do you
×ÖÄ» not just provide information you know because
×ÖÄ» news does that but hey you should have express something on
×ÖÄ» emotional terms and and that's what I'm trying to do and
×ÖÄ» and I think with this film
×ÖÄ» you know I fell me know before actually at
×ÖÄ» contacted me I was already working
×ÖÄ» on the topic the surveillance
×ÖÄ» and its and it's something that's very soon
×ÖÄ» pernicious an ominous that you
×ÖÄ» start to feel me if you went to the become aware
×ÖÄ» bitter you think your targeted by it
×ÖÄ» and it does give you a sense
×ÖÄ» of not being able to sleep I mean that was
×ÖÄ» kinda feeling
×ÖÄ» I felt for actually you know thanks to ed its first email me
×ÖÄ» it was pretty soon after
×ÖÄ» his first couple emails that I actually stops
×ÖÄ» being able to swim
×ÖÄ» be able to rest in the same way because I knew just
×ÖÄ» how have deep these powers
×ÖÄ» going but they're also because they're so the
×ÖÄ» in the shadows you there they can get in your head
×ÖÄ» way when when you show up in movie and I've got you
×ÖÄ» now I've got no you will
×ÖÄ» not no you can wear life like a loose garment
×ÖÄ» you don't get riled by
×ÖÄ» much and you're just gonna work sittin down in
×ÖÄ» get into it and a
×ÖÄ» is it that you've always
×ÖÄ» assume that your every move is watched in
×ÖÄ» this is just another day year
×ÖÄ» no I think I'm asked the anxiety really well
×ÖÄ» that was your impression a min
×ÖÄ» you know I had spent the 16
×ÖÄ» hours on the plane ride from New York to Hong Kong
×ÖÄ» booking through this extraordinary archive
×ÖÄ» a copy of which were at given me to user copy and I got my own
×ÖÄ» from for men in hong kong reporting on the plane and so
×ÖÄ» by the time I got a hong
×ÖÄ» kong I had a good sense of what the brat and
×ÖÄ» magnitude not only have the
×ÖÄ» spying was but about this story was going to be in
×ÖÄ» so
×ÖÄ» there is so much going on in
×ÖÄ» terms the threats that we thought might be lurking
×ÖÄ» on the danger to our source
×ÖÄ» trying to assess our source to make sure
×ÖÄ» rival but mostly what I was
×ÖÄ» focused on once I realized that these documents was
×ÖÄ» was just
×ÖÄ» how do I get these to the
×ÖÄ» public as quickly as possible and so I was so
×ÖÄ» single-mindedly focused
×ÖÄ» first time making sure
×ÖÄ» that our source was who he was claiming to be
×ÖÄ» and that what we had was what he reported to be and then once
×ÖÄ» I got that on I was just so so eager to start
×ÖÄ» putting it out into the world
×ÖÄ» without a blog but I think it was just that kinda
×ÖÄ» focus that
×ÖÄ» that is what you see the I'm were lucky enough
×ÖÄ» now a through Google hangout
×ÖÄ» add enter your yes your community yes I can
×ÖÄ» for York okay so these guys show up
×ÖÄ» you go through that that spy master protocol that you set up with
×ÖÄ» Laura I forget what what the secret word was
×ÖÄ» and these guys show up
×ÖÄ» you've been corresponding with them where they
×ÖÄ» expect what you expected them to be
×ÖÄ» Yellowpages we hence for
×ÖÄ» and asymmetrical relationship with him they were published in use
×ÖÄ» so as I was able to research them photographs
×ÖÄ» I mean he were say
×ÖÄ» but a pretty diahann at
×ÖÄ» I silent
×ÖÄ» but but when you look into it NSA file does it say
×ÖÄ» good eg nice person one actually
×ÖÄ» she was on the watch list so that was that was
×ÖÄ» one
×ÖÄ» reasons hitchens to
×ÖÄ» the the who were
×ÖÄ» on this early on when I was having difficulty reaching
×ÖÄ» one was because she didn't personally
×ÖÄ» acted knowledge understand she no respond
×ÖÄ» with yes they will any who was
×ÖÄ» although the shower me gunpoint yup due to
×ÖÄ» trying to reveals concerns about these programs earlier years
×ÖÄ» so not only did she have a little expertise
×ÖÄ» this I also knew that she was involved
×ÖÄ» with people read very final goals
×ÖÄ» Hwy yeah well we can climb the staying
×ÖÄ» really majors natural she chose your cell
×ÖÄ» that and when wouldn't respond your entreaties to encrypt
×ÖÄ» wouldn't let actually a
×ÖÄ» famous cases we used the encryption Oracle GPG
×ÖÄ» 'em which is very odd Spain's
×ÖÄ» this I will say they documentation
×ÖÄ» where this program's begins is in saint
×ÖÄ» use in with his revelations
×ÖÄ» and he is now permanently memorialized as the example
×ÖÄ» in use this use my name all
×ÖÄ» its for you didn't initially wanna meet the skies
×ÖÄ» well I did the
×ÖÄ» didn't want to meet them but it was a question I
×ÖÄ» control the circumstances where you make sure that
×ÖÄ» the risks I'll preemption I'm gonna
×ÖÄ» I limiting utility for sure the adversary
×ÖÄ» things tree sense certainly really
×ÖÄ» for the government to find a single Taylor were
×ÖÄ» process in shuttle impose Irish
×ÖÄ» arrest source you know me in jail
×ÖÄ» under special administrative measures against here the
×ÖÄ» watch germans yeah it was also if they had
×ÖÄ» historian the winter it
×ÖÄ» it's also cuz you didn't want to be this story right
×ÖÄ» with that was doubtless be we talk about
×ÖÄ» personalizing cameras my were initially asses documentary
×ÖÄ» you know human what I do.
×ÖÄ» in I said no no no a very long time
×ÖÄ» number reasons not least of which is when you're
×ÖÄ» involved in an action which is very likely miss you donated
×ÖÄ» donor can was actually awesome
×ÖÄ» I got when lawyer said okay
×ÖÄ» well you can go but you notice don't dump me
×ÖÄ» camera that right so how it looks you know
×ÖÄ» taking no for an answer yep once once I
×ÖÄ» across the room I you because I was actually
×ÖÄ» leading sir bread crumbs government to know
×ÖÄ» you know this isn't some hardstyle ash
×ÖÄ» is this is hotly interest were
×ÖÄ» which his based justice re
×ÖÄ» once it was clear there is no interest
×ÖÄ» preemption and hopefully
×ÖÄ» the room we continue she was able to say
×ÖÄ» you know one once what's the
×ÖÄ» rooms here do and everybody in the room she
×ÖÄ» basically just turned the camera on
×ÖÄ» we discussed selects I'm
×ÖÄ» so so how'd you like the movie is
×ÖÄ» its in crude
×ÖÄ» yours crowd
×ÖÄ» Mason she nominee NASCAR
×ÖÄ» and I'm be don't think there's any someone
×ÖÄ» their yet I
×ÖÄ» I would say that as a consumer
×ÖÄ» news the bid you guys meet for the Guardian
×ÖÄ» to start with very important for me
×ÖÄ» to like lookin go this guy seems normal
×ÖÄ» to me I don't see I don't see a second had popularity him
×ÖÄ» I don't see a lot a spill running down his cheek and
×ÖÄ» win when you guys both UN
×ÖÄ» and Glenn talked about the
×ÖÄ» important there being a human in the middle
×ÖÄ» this is at Purdue what your die-cast me at you know when I
×ÖÄ» when I and first met and at that first day
×ÖÄ» that was the thing that convince
×ÖÄ» me that we could I really had an opportunity to
×ÖÄ» do something that hasn't quite been done before
×ÖÄ» in part because you know having
×ÖÄ» worked on on whistleblower cases I was a big
×ÖÄ» defender WikiLeaks Chelsea Manning
×ÖÄ» my childhood hero is daniel
×ÖÄ» ellsberg you know that the strategy always is to do
×ÖÄ» exactly that to say
×ÖÄ» these people are psychologically unstable their Alinea
×ÖÄ» alienated on just sort of a quay this level of dissent
×ÖÄ» with the definition above
×ÖÄ» meant all instability so that you wanna come to
×ÖÄ» turn away from
×ÖÄ» the revelations because the person revealing it is just so kinda
×ÖÄ» icky on and when I A met at and saw that you know he
×ÖÄ» he's very humble and smart and articulate in
×ÖÄ» know the key looking to sort
×ÖÄ» it looks like the grandkid every midwestern
×ÖÄ» couple
×ÖÄ» you know
×ÖÄ» I I knew that the government
×ÖÄ» was going to have an extremely difficult time
×ÖÄ» I'm playing that game in this
×ÖÄ» case and combined with the fact that he was so
×ÖÄ» adamant is
×ÖÄ» you know you seen the film
×ÖÄ» about coming forward I'm not because he has to but
×ÖÄ» because he wants to because
×ÖÄ» he's proud of what he did and wants to publicly
×ÖÄ» account for a
×ÖÄ» the combination of his kind of normalcy with the power
×ÖÄ» love that act in the conviction
×ÖÄ» behind it on I knew was going to just be
×ÖÄ» like a nuclear weapon I'm it
×ÖÄ» was gonna set the government back on their heels
×ÖÄ» and I think it did for months and we're always
×ÖÄ» I think we've got a few steps
×ÖÄ» ahead of the government they were just reeling it
×ÖÄ» in quite
×ÖÄ» respond yeah I mean for me it's
×ÖÄ» I mean it's not might usually and I do long form so I
×ÖÄ» usually spend more time you know
×ÖÄ» editing and processing the foreperson in public
×ÖÄ» but we knew we were that there was that there was a
×ÖÄ» time clock ticking we knew
×ÖÄ» the government you know I visited as house
×ÖÄ» and that their was only
×ÖÄ» a matter of time before have been your best
×ÖÄ» right and and and added
×ÖÄ» made the decision that he was going to conceal
×ÖÄ» his identity so
×ÖÄ» it was an obvious choice for me but I remember will be run at the
×ÖÄ» really tied time pressure I mean I think show you a cut
×ÖÄ» on other here Sunday the
×ÖÄ» day we publish where they've been able for
×ÖÄ» show to cut the job right you in over my clan
×ÖÄ» we we watch down one version
×ÖÄ» ovett and then they gave notes and then
×ÖÄ» you know we sent it to the Guardian to put out me
×ÖÄ» like three in the morning
×ÖÄ» and we're actually didn't know quite what was
×ÖÄ» going to happen easy to see that in the film
×ÖÄ» that you I mean in retrospect
×ÖÄ» we should be prepared a little bit more
×ÖÄ» for the their I yeah permaurl
×ÖÄ» that were you know and having checked in under his own name
×ÖÄ» meant that it wouldn't take
×ÖÄ» long for journalistic to find a to find him
×ÖÄ» I mean I'm actually surprised in retrospect me see all the chyron
×ÖÄ» Hong Kong England's breaking
×ÖÄ» all the stories that while the journalists and
×ÖÄ» a investigated Jonathan
×ÖÄ» already had heard hopped on a plane to go to hong
×ÖÄ» kong to find out what's
×ÖÄ» happening in hong kong nobody wants ever asked me
×ÖÄ» like
×ÖÄ» as bring all the stories about
×ÖÄ» the NSA every single day I was on every new show
×ÖÄ» and no one in an eternal its ever thought ass like he
×ÖÄ» we like why are you doing the stories Hong Kong
×ÖÄ» I don't know actually but that's not what happened because
×ÖÄ» I he was on a green screen
×ÖÄ» segment told them not to publish its location say
×ÖÄ» they don't see where I am in need
×ÖÄ» you notice the green screen is
×ÖÄ» just you with backdrop and then they did the car
×ÖÄ» running
×ÖÄ» actually I think yes CNN agreed not to say that I was going
×ÖÄ» on which they didn't do but
×ÖÄ» they played in the background every single
×ÖÄ» identifiable
×ÖÄ» on landmark wat is CNN that day
×ÖÄ» and when I when NPR caller somebody and they said
×ÖÄ» we know you're hot lines at how do you know that they said
×ÖÄ» I'll watch your CNN
×ÖÄ» appearance since I hated so we know when we knew
×ÖÄ» and I think you know for me
×ÖÄ» when I thought about yours without the hardest
×ÖÄ» part was going to be
×ÖÄ» how to convey the tension
×ÖÄ» to an audience that already knows the outcome
×ÖÄ» but I think one of the things the film did so brilliantly ways
×ÖÄ» it really did underscore we were in that hotel room
×ÖÄ» you know we were just worried
×ÖÄ» about the US government we worried about
×ÖÄ» the chinese authorities
×ÖÄ» and the hong kong government other foreign
×ÖÄ» intelligence
×ÖÄ» services you might want to
×ÖÄ» get there hands-on but we're working with so
×ÖÄ» there was always hovering
×ÖÄ» over every second in that room that threat that
×ÖÄ» something really cataclysmic
×ÖÄ» I think we're only going
×ÖÄ» to 1 one little clip consignments pressures
×ÖÄ» but I think we got that mood Claire a
×ÖÄ» you guys do you ever been to bill you can draw I used
×ÖÄ» your pullover ads pretty my game sorry
×ÖÄ» at the obscurity where armies it'll be a picture using a novel
×ÖÄ» I'll we running
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×ÖÄ» brute force the entirety space
×ÖÄ» a arm that would still probably only a couple
×ÖÄ» of days for an essay
×ÖÄ» that the fire
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×ÖÄ» 37 past whereas trying to call them and ask
×ÖÄ» house it's fine
×ÖÄ» yeah I don't think it's an issue thing design
×ÖÄ» before maybe the Dominican listen to us feel
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×ÖÄ» yes they do you think you think a like in
×ÖÄ» alerting first I'm unusual
×ÖÄ» my head
×ÖÄ» me is it goes
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×ÖÄ» if it continues here
×ÖÄ» yeah what's a sleep for now
×ÖÄ» me finish this up
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×ÖÄ» release them hi
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×ÖÄ» the 10th floor can you tell us what that is
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×ÖÄ» your here nice isn't it
×ÖÄ» nice of them to let us know about them in yes
×ÖÄ» art
×ÖÄ» feeling the they were leaves
×ÖÄ» sleepin in the door you would
×ÖÄ» have been more than happy to just keep working
×ÖÄ» lanyards your dislike whatever
×ÖÄ» seems far documents and discuss with their worry about buyer
×ÖÄ» I was interested sure that you like
×ÖÄ» so you got a a Edward snowden which
×ÖÄ» there was just like a word and the now is
×ÖÄ» this guy and we're talking Newham and it
×ÖÄ» the tendency is a if I was
×ÖÄ» making the film would be just squeeze a mic a great
×ÖÄ» were in not were in the room with this guy emerges
×ÖÄ» also in it turns and heads known show both he
×ÖÄ» in you like you you
×ÖÄ» you set the table and then you made
×ÖÄ» much much bigger movie and so I admire their choice but I just
×ÖÄ» just want to talk about woodrow I mean deny
×ÖÄ» my filmmaking comes out in
×ÖÄ» a cinema verite which he said a film things as
×ÖÄ» they're happening in
×ÖÄ» I didn't want to interrupt
×ÖÄ» and as comeback story questions I figured we
×ÖÄ» would learn everything
×ÖÄ» we wanted to know about
×ÖÄ» him in that moment and I was also just simply
×ÖÄ» interested in the journalism
×ÖÄ» I mean I was interested in
×ÖÄ» this what this encounter was going to be like and
×ÖÄ» and I'd known Glen before and film but clan
×ÖÄ» and I knew that the questions
×ÖÄ» he would he was gonna be asking and how he went
×ÖÄ» about
×ÖÄ» opening together was gonna be
×ÖÄ» really extraordinary document about journalism
×ÖÄ» so that's sort of what my my focus was and then I also felt like
×ÖÄ» I mean I was also trying to
×ÖÄ» respect some some boundaries I mean I knew that
×ÖÄ» that didn't you know want this to be just about him
×ÖÄ» and and so the also that so
×ÖÄ» do you think she was I'm
×ÖÄ» true to the agreement you mean as collaborators
×ÖÄ» a to tonight not pre- and the call to personality that
×ÖÄ» at sell this story yeah I mean
×ÖÄ» the fact that she starts before she focuses on
×ÖÄ» there are many other players game ultimately
×ÖÄ» not the cell me its
×ÖÄ» us small your
×ÖÄ» all is experience revolution
×ÖÄ» suspicion beginning knowing crew
×ÖÄ» his and in the end the aftermath you know
×ÖÄ» really or in you know I'm
×ÖÄ» never really been or other than as that initial mechanism
×ÖÄ» its so fascinating media and this
×ÖÄ» obsessive interest my person
×ÖÄ» my its so much more or
×ÖÄ» men's up there's a moment in the film no
×ÖÄ» when all is unknown you'd lit the fuse
×ÖÄ» you lit the fuse you lit the fuse you say
×ÖÄ» I'm paraphrasing but like there's a great freedom
×ÖÄ» in not knowing what comes now
×ÖÄ» and I just think to myself why would be scared shitless
×ÖÄ» right now arm and you literally did not know what was coming
×ÖÄ» knacks it seems like you've landed well and
×ÖÄ» you know you have your partner with you
×ÖÄ» and your say but all that was not know
×ÖÄ» at the time I'm were
×ÖÄ» were were you really as calm as you acted
×ÖÄ» I me win low-key
×ÖÄ» still when you watch the
×ÖÄ» whole way through its extraordinary because
×ÖÄ» the stress responses each individual
×ÖÄ» crew year I mean well really dimes were
×ÖÄ» you know were other she
×ÖÄ» she's becomes or camera like many things working
×ÖÄ» stores in for me it was all about transmission information has
×ÖÄ» you know through my we know this but when
×ÖÄ» linda Sue that period there's almost
×ÖÄ» psychological deep personal situation where I'm
×ÖÄ» I got this rain affect just
×ÖÄ» basically brain don't think information journalists
×ÖÄ» in in is because I and kindness and
×ÖÄ» I was going to be arrested in the ocean moons
×ÖÄ» came on we were force said you know once
×ÖÄ» firearms and you know were years along
×ÖÄ» no that whenever someone is
×ÖÄ» arrested in hotel in arrest you in your room
×ÖÄ» or a pre-tax th
×ÖÄ» are whether its law enforcement fireworks they say
×ÖÄ» also me rain is your car partner age
×ÖÄ» how rude and and Aston
×ÖÄ» pulls you out but in the moment
×ÖÄ» you know when I was thinking
×ÖÄ» about you know the second I didn't know what's
×ÖÄ» happening
×ÖÄ» I feel very much like mine or the story
×ÖÄ» who I done what I need here but you really want to then
×ÖÄ» you knew this size at the apparatus
×ÖÄ» it would all be now now like walking toward you
×ÖÄ» are
×ÖÄ» you know that big from
×ÖÄ» mean machine they tried to make you out to be
×ÖÄ» some some current temp worker for the CIA
×ÖÄ» and it's turned out you general
×ÖÄ» %um Road Cincinnati
×ÖÄ» last taxes for janitor you know you a very significant
×ÖÄ» access in every job that you
×ÖÄ» had and so you know that all be turning toward you
×ÖÄ» you're just like what will
×ÖÄ» be well will be were you worried about him
×ÖÄ» yeah I was really worried I mean I I mean
×ÖÄ» mean when I was shooting
×ÖÄ» there was things like to an ice on the editing
×ÖÄ» room after that for got that shot
×ÖÄ» you know and I think had
×ÖÄ» said that earlier that everything she couldn't
×ÖÄ» remember me never
×ÖÄ» once it was really pretty
×ÖÄ» high stakes and I think I'd been working on this
×ÖÄ» story for a while
×ÖÄ» I've been like you need the or whatever ID
×ÖÄ» an essay and I think that's right a lot of time dissident
×ÖÄ» can imagine that case that you can
×ÖÄ» really like totally let me know and I think
×ÖÄ» II actually you know I think
×ÖÄ» although I'd like to say about the story and
×ÖÄ» I don't wanna be the focus of
×ÖÄ» the story the reality is he is an important part
×ÖÄ» of the story and I think
×ÖÄ» he should be an important part in the story
×ÖÄ» because what he did I mean he's
×ÖÄ» sitting here you're able to see on the screen he
×ÖÄ» wears a sports jacket he
×ÖÄ» appears you know where he's invited to speak
×ÖÄ» but at the time in hong kong
×ÖÄ» not only was it not guarantee that he was gonna
×ÖÄ» and well-liked
×ÖÄ» to speak for myself I thought it was 95 percent certain
×ÖÄ» that he was gonna end up in
×ÖÄ» American custody in be put in a cage for pretty
×ÖÄ» much the rest of his life
×ÖÄ» cap you know sequestered the
×ÖÄ» way they they treat national security threat
×ÖÄ» and he thought that was a
×ÖÄ» good possibility to we talked about that and
×ÖÄ» he was sober design to any not resigned to it in
×ÖÄ» and a defeatist way bait know
×ÖÄ» he was just at peace with the choice that he
×ÖÄ» had made there was never a moment where he
×ÖÄ» exhibited any remorse or regret
×ÖÄ» or you know oh shit what have I done a I wish I
×ÖÄ» could take it back
×ÖÄ» and that was simultaneously for me at least so I'm
×ÖÄ» balding
×ÖÄ» it was like okay with this
×ÖÄ» person is just sent done something so incredibly
×ÖÄ» fearless and courageous that I
×ÖÄ» think we felt like we had to try and do justice
×ÖÄ» to his choice in what we then did
×ÖÄ» but also it was kinda depressing
×ÖÄ» I mean I you know I worked on Chelsea Manning's
×ÖÄ» case for a long time in
×ÖÄ» defending her as sort of a
×ÖÄ» relic it was always a helpless feeling she was
×ÖÄ» put in solitary confinement you
×ÖÄ» knew she was going to prison there was nothing
×ÖÄ» you could do and I felt very much the same
×ÖÄ» for this person for him you
×ÖÄ» know which has done this incredibly admiral thing
×ÖÄ» I get any moment he was gonna end up in shackles and
×ÖÄ» traded or straight into the
×ÖÄ» US government which you know almost always
×ÖÄ» get its way
×ÖÄ» and there were a few times when he came very close to that
×ÖÄ» and it was a little bit of
×ÖÄ» luck but a lot of cunning as well that he was able
×ÖÄ» to end up
×ÖÄ» the way ended up reading at
×ÖÄ» the critical part of the story because it shows
×ÖÄ» people
×ÖÄ» you can stand up to the US
×ÖÄ» government you can take a courageous step that you
×ÖÄ» believe in is an active conscience
×ÖÄ» on and not be disappeared not
×ÖÄ» be put in the cage you can find a way to then
×ÖÄ» live a fulfilling life and
×ÖÄ» I think that's why that part of the story I
×ÖÄ» think is vital
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×ÖÄ» you seem to take take a believe it somehow
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×ÖÄ» for you Apple in not not that there was a sure thing
×ÖÄ» but that was certainly the better side a bad bet
×ÖÄ» it was a big gamble I mean yeah I'ma your
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×ÖÄ» everything that was happening
×ÖÄ» in this this period you know we didn't
×ÖÄ» and a real model on whether it was
×ÖÄ» you know journalists with me
×ÖÄ» we're home was your pants when we talk about that moment where is
×ÖÄ» way you know I'm confronting
×ÖÄ» that don't know what's going to happen tomorrow I said
×ÖÄ» it's the IEEE normally every day in our lives
×ÖÄ» confronts with so many choices dewey
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×ÖÄ» world doesn't really change things around
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×ÖÄ» you gotta no and what
×ÖÄ» I Sam Rosen moon when everybody who's in
×ÖÄ» tell 1 was that
×ÖÄ» actually burn bridges is a creepy to drive you
×ÖÄ» world you doesn't drop gets one way
×ÖÄ» on was ur any part have you
×ÖÄ» add that wait when you started them Moscow Airport per
×ÖÄ» what was it thirty nine days
×ÖÄ» we said maybe asian ass for travel advice from a
×ÖÄ» guy who's stuck at the Ecuadorian embassy
×ÖÄ» in Britain maybe that wasn't the best travel agent
×ÖÄ» as it turned out it was okay but
×ÖÄ» the did you think yourself
×ÖÄ» I guess maybe people were lined up to help you
×ÖÄ» I actually love Voice and
×ÖÄ» you know really think lawyers but you know
×ÖÄ» Julian and week since there and everybody was ball
×ÖÄ» nasa me the lockers some
×ÖÄ» is you know reforms not overall it's a
×ÖÄ» you know I'm incredibly I'm in
×ÖÄ» world the same or the sacrifices they made
×ÖÄ» were but yeah you know there were challenges there
×ÖÄ» we know thanks to some other
×ÖÄ» order indocin you know the reason our stuff
×ÖÄ» and muscular
×ÖÄ» or had nothing to do with you know advice from lawyers would
×ÖÄ» I didn't do it US government they didn't cancel ones
×ÖÄ» were until after I had departed home
×ÖÄ» it was in the air you know and I decided based on a network
×ÖÄ» the NSA they have my trial yes you know they
×ÖÄ» she said ask your name white man
×ÖÄ» this my world's my new
×ÖÄ» that I'm Sandra to Latin
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×ÖÄ» where people wee heart disorder
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×ÖÄ» their on I thinking
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×ÖÄ» to seek political asylum for ed
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×ÖÄ» yeah I mean that and what
×ÖÄ» I mean we saw the enough
×ÖÄ» people in the US government threatening him
×ÖÄ» and and so there's the other real with and known
×ÖÄ» the US government wasn't happy you know with us no
×ÖÄ» discussion about what you
×ÖÄ» know calling us coconspirators in this kind of
×ÖÄ» language mean
×ÖÄ» well I mean you knew your're
×ÖÄ» been intercepted coming into this country
×ÖÄ» forty times before you ever yeah
×ÖÄ» edited a frame yet bill
×ÖÄ» I'm just like saying before you sort of put
×ÖÄ» I mean I think that we also
×ÖÄ» defend the right time in the right to the free
×ÖÄ» press
×ÖÄ» written and yet right
×ÖÄ» you're right that is also targeted so I think
×ÖÄ» we found in different places
×ÖÄ» in the spectrum into the risks that we will
×ÖÄ» taken okay so are we in it it change your life
×ÖÄ» it change the way for
×ÖÄ» people that you a a change you like ginger like
×ÖÄ» now the great unfolding has happened
×ÖÄ» across America across UK across the globe
×ÖÄ» are you happy with the outcome I mean
×ÖÄ» I you know I agree view I
×ÖÄ» remember the first conversation ever had with Dad
×ÖÄ» way he literally said to me the only thing that I fear
×ÖÄ» is that unravel my life to make all this
×ÖÄ» visible and transparent and that nobody will care
×ÖÄ» it'll just be kinda this apathy and indifference
×ÖÄ» and you know I remember the
×ÖÄ» moment in hong kong we did the first two or three
×ÖÄ» stories and I was able to watch
×ÖÄ» add watch the global news
×ÖÄ» explode with the stories and felt so gratified
×ÖÄ» and it's basically been like
×ÖÄ» that for the last 18 months I mean if I go around
×ÖÄ» the world as they do in my book
×ÖÄ» or we still do to talk about things are Wars film
×ÖÄ» it makes an extraordinary impact because they'll
×ÖÄ» intensity of the debate that
×ÖÄ» has been triggered not just United States but
×ÖÄ» globally
×ÖÄ» i think is chain consciousness
×ÖÄ» about so many things and that's beyond the
×ÖÄ» concrete changes the
×ÖÄ» companies being forced to you
×ÖÄ» encrypt improve their devoted to privacy so they
×ÖÄ» don't
×ÖÄ» whole generation abusers or
×ÖÄ» individuals using encryption which really puts a
×ÖÄ» wall between the government and surveillance
×ÖÄ» but I just think the debate that we were able to have
×ÖÄ» we couldn't have before not
×ÖÄ» just about surveillance but privacy in the digital
×ÖÄ» age
×ÖÄ» and the role of journalism
×ÖÄ» and the dangers government secrecy in the world
×ÖÄ» the United States place in the world
×ÖÄ» when you start changing consciousness like that on
×ÖÄ» it may take a while for it to
×ÖÄ» happen but there's no question that the changes
×ÖÄ» that
×ÖÄ» are engendered will be
×ÖÄ» fundamental that to me is by far the most gratified
×ÖÄ» this I mean I in other and everything you know is a couple reduce
×ÖÄ» I wouldn't mind having but I
×ÖÄ» think you know when we were sitting around talking
×ÖÄ» about possible outcomes you
×ÖÄ» know with lawyers I mean sitting here with you
×ÖÄ» was not one of them then
×ÖÄ» we reliever thinking that there is a many
×ÖÄ» potentially
×ÖÄ» that possible outcomes and and to have the
×ÖÄ» the a think the International where nasa mean we we
×ÖÄ» I think we had no idea hell allied
×ÖÄ» what do you say I did the most skin in the game
×ÖÄ» I think everybody involved is P some
×ÖÄ» Boston you know I can
×ÖÄ» Android all yes
×ÖÄ» there there's a lot of
×ÖÄ» things that are out there its incredibly says
×ÖÄ» to be hard cell there is a tremendous
×ÖÄ» he's comes from doing ended
×ÖÄ» and in the day you know we never look back
×ÖÄ» you know I really wish
×ÖÄ» just needed in
×ÖÄ» done because yeah
×ÖÄ» you know as a little bit more difficult now yeah I'll people's
×ÖÄ» would now he has a tremendous impact
×ÖÄ» no in 2013 courts in the US for San
×ÖÄ» he hears he discuss now
×ÖÄ» explosion or cases all world any
×ÖÄ» being decided holds see guards
×ÖÄ» as and just one more thing we
×ÖÄ» travel it's our ices on individual
×ÖÄ» a lot one much
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×ÖÄ» he room a refugee don't their ways
×ÖÄ» yeah home it
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×ÖÄ» out you know alleged wasn't
×ÖÄ» he did this without the authorization so the whole
×ÖÄ» or hymns and he lost his job
×ÖÄ» but it's very likely that you know I mind
×ÖÄ» farm courage walk past if I didn't know I had
×ÖÄ» least some for refugee their
×ÖÄ» know it was almost immediately cancelled this isn't normal
×ÖÄ» bitch you know not at all this Werner person inside
×ÖÄ» mission this is the right in the movies
×ÖÄ» I'm staying me with people around the world record was
×ÖÄ» nationally arms position not this is some
×ÖÄ» were resisting you know my status
×ÖÄ» my job my for you I think the better part gotten better
×ÖÄ» all inline long wanna when the more unusual point
×ÖÄ» film for me is when you talk about the original
×ÖÄ» promise
×ÖÄ» web and it's almost
×ÖÄ» candor are you talk about
×ÖÄ» the weapon what it could do and the possibilities
×ÖÄ» data right now in it's been
×ÖÄ» it's been kidnapped it's been
×ÖÄ» overtaken net net are you happy there is a world wide web
×ÖÄ» yeah I mean it's no secret basam
×ÖÄ» your dreams governments around
×ÖÄ» the world arms or trying to plug the Internet over
×ÖÄ» the hand-drawn
×ÖÄ» truck you will find a place where they can quietly show whole
×ÖÄ» the ocean but the reality is people here
×ÖÄ» about our ability to communicate ins which with
×ÖÄ» out be monitor inge
×ÖÄ» some yet and as long as we have
×ÖÄ» that ultimately mean record this is
×ÖÄ» the efforts you did when it comes down to it
×ÖÄ» yes governments possessiveness
×ÖÄ» corner on the United States in a budget
×ÖÄ» agree around the world there more
×ÖÄ» and we gotta you much more 14
×ÖÄ» in other countries what
×ÖÄ» in the day there or us then
×ÖÄ» or as long as we work together as long as we value our
×ÖÄ» rights wouldn't
×ÖÄ» more I'm interested in how
×ÖÄ» you see this movie fitting
×ÖÄ» in with your other movies is part of the
×ÖÄ» at triptych my country my country
×ÖÄ» that was nominated for an Academy Award and that was about
×ÖÄ» iraq and the old
×ÖÄ» which is about guantanamo in in this movie do you see them as
×ÖÄ» these this is just kinda stories you're attracted to
×ÖÄ» or do you see it through mine
×ÖÄ» there's a 3-1 mean when I went for ought to make
×ÖÄ» that film I never met in the ten years later the still
×ÖÄ» looking at similar themes in the country still you know
×ÖÄ» you and the policy that I that I I think ur
×ÖÄ» you know really drifting away from you know moral compass and law
×ÖÄ» and into I thought it was
×ÖÄ» a temporary emergency moments that you know
×ÖÄ» post-9/11 you know guantanamo opened
×ÖÄ» iraq and that year they didn't imagine it being sitting here
×ÖÄ» ten years later and you know it's interesting England
×ÖÄ» you know early reporting
×ÖÄ» was also innocent looking at America post-9/11
×ÖÄ» and
×ÖÄ» you know on one hand its its kinda I
×ÖÄ» it's sad I think that we're
×ÖÄ» still here that for instance guantanamo still open
×ÖÄ» as we sit here a.M. But accidentally citizen for has something
×ÖÄ» hopeful in it and and it's hopeful for me because
×ÖÄ» people basically been doing be courageous and
×ÖÄ» and and say something about what they say is wrong in the world
×ÖÄ» started I think when I think
×ÖÄ» Jeremy Scahill bill Binnie who's in the film
×ÖÄ» I mean I love them you know
×ÖÄ» for putting themselves out there to say like
×ÖÄ» we need rethink what we what are we doing as a country is
×ÖÄ» do we want to be a country
×ÖÄ» that's defined by how much violence for use in
×ÖÄ» the world
×ÖÄ» re you know one remain closer toward our ideals and
×ÖÄ» and so so there's I do think there's a 3-1 I'm
×ÖÄ» play India ever are you ever surprised by happen
×ÖÄ» and the the documents it had helped get you
×ÖÄ» just pop-up like every single day like the other day did
×ÖÄ» story about it Iran's ability
×ÖÄ» to attack it's like well two actually the end of a snake
×ÖÄ» we we train them in by attacking them
×ÖÄ» yeah I mean the US government loves you are on warning about
×ÖÄ» the profound danger zone cyber warfare on
×ÖÄ» even though they're the most
×ÖÄ» aggressive perpetrators of cyber warfare by far and
×ÖÄ» and
×ÖÄ» the what prompted that was
×ÖÄ» there is this warning from the pentagon that said
×ÖÄ» were really worried that
×ÖÄ» Iran is becoming increasingly potent another
×ÖÄ» adversaries in their ability
×ÖÄ» to on cyber warfare that I just remembered
×ÖÄ» this document that I had read
×ÖÄ» like nine months ago that I meant to report it
×ÖÄ» just never quite got around to it on
×ÖÄ» where the NSA said oh you know
×ÖÄ» actually the reason why ron is getting so good at
×ÖÄ» cyber warfare is because we just keep attacking them with all the
×ÖÄ» sophisticated virus is that they're able to study and replicate
×ÖÄ» and and we're kinda you know creating our own
×ÖÄ» adversaries which is what
×ÖÄ» the united states is really good at doing is
×ÖÄ» continuously ensuring
×ÖÄ» that the words fighting find more Mar causes
×ÖÄ» on be no it's funny I remember
×ÖÄ» pride the first six months after the stories to do
×ÖÄ» everything
×ÖÄ» you know AC interviews and
×ÖÄ» people used to say some you know are there more
×ÖÄ» stories the comment I would you say
×ÖÄ» yeah there's definitely more
×ÖÄ» stories to comment and there be headlined by Glenn
×ÖÄ» Greenwald warned
×ÖÄ» big stories coming
×ÖÄ» as I have like convened a
×ÖÄ» news conference to announce this or something
×ÖÄ» I'm like some
×ÖÄ» your public greater wrote a thing saying I wish she would stop
×ÖÄ» you know previewing a story
×ÖÄ» but I wasnt answering the question honestly and
×ÖÄ» I just always wanted to convey
×ÖÄ» that I mean what edwards known and has provided
×ÖÄ» is something so vast
×ÖÄ» I mean which I'll see Manning
×ÖÄ» provided with you it was similar for this look at
×ÖÄ» how America fights were
×ÖÄ» from dated a perspective on the ground in and wide
×ÖÄ» on and has provided is this incredibly
×ÖÄ» sweeping complex comprehensive
×ÖÄ» look into how the United States and its allies
×ÖÄ» conducts itself in the world
×ÖÄ» and the things that it does that it hides from
×ÖÄ» the public
×ÖÄ» in a way that it's gonna take a good while on
×ÖÄ» before even really big stories are fully reported and their stall
×ÖÄ» I think today reporters
×ÖÄ» without borders put a slight
×ÖÄ» forty ninth in the world in press freedom I
×ÖÄ» we got edged up by bouts 1 I'm pretty sure yeah buts wanna
×ÖÄ» show he was a few US me
×ÖÄ» a couple much traffic African
×ÖÄ» countries at the state department has been coming
×ÖÄ» on press freedom grounds for ever
×ÖÄ» several spots ahead as well so yeah we r
×ÖÄ» media free world from the rank 49 I'm
×ÖÄ» I'm interested in is dead because you were
×ÖÄ» you were thinking about a mover earlier and you that well
×ÖÄ» let's let's wait and see what Obama is really about
×ÖÄ» and it's like in I was kind of like
×ÖÄ» similar like maybe it's involving maybe
×ÖÄ» in a is it turns out you know
×ÖÄ» probably the worst administration and terms are
×ÖÄ» transparency that I've ever
×ÖÄ» you know covered and what I wonder about is like
×ÖÄ» you're kind of a spoon did this book's get
×ÖÄ» him a I mean
×ÖÄ» what happened could be
×ÖÄ» the intelligence community diana is really millions
×ÖÄ» Williams in in general you know the people who make career
×ÖÄ» until still here who is this guy
×ÖÄ» he's he's beyond a years you hear
×ÖÄ» third right even yet most intelligence
×ÖÄ» president there are some really really is pro
×ÖÄ» warm wants to make sure we're leading the world base
×ÖÄ» ballons this or abilities
×ÖÄ» those William those in what
×ÖÄ» learns the president is the next president
×ÖÄ» when they come in they're gonna get
×ÖÄ» E as soon as they take the that is designed to steer
×ÖÄ» and they go here almost three streams
×ÖÄ» for or in the
×ÖÄ» rain dress begins %um family
×ÖÄ» against people against analyze know when we will
×ÖÄ» the every day you know each day we its on details oakley's
×ÖÄ» stop Ian unless you give us new
×ÖÄ» stories we're not certain countries there's a really fascinating
×ÖÄ» exchange in the senate untold where they had the achievable the
×ÖÄ» NCTC National Counterterrorism Center Dianne Feinstein who is
×ÖÄ» certainly knows or munchies my first
×ÖÄ» its some names acting yet don't blame 01
×ÖÄ» like trader and things like that that's one
×ÖÄ» momentum you know if you're not willing
×ÖÄ» to be calls and that means to serve your country
×ÖÄ» you know here much countries you know room ruining
×ÖÄ» but ultimately a she she has NCTC
×ÖÄ» under from news about the torture she said well
×ÖÄ» in men's on torture use this horrendous
×ÖÄ» it said the sky is gonna you know organizers is going to kill
×ÖÄ» if you release this report in a backlash
×ÖÄ» against as you proven that we forge
×ÖÄ» and she had a literal chamber and I'm paraphrasing
×ÖÄ» she's she who sang sky has a all
×ÖÄ» and he explains and he hands
×ÖÄ» almost goes for all these
×ÖÄ» bureaucratic excuses and ultimately it boils down to
×ÖÄ» isolate WPI
×ÖÄ» which was ones this is is commonly
×ÖÄ» he he didn't say process was wrong
×ÖÄ» because that would undermines our company don't see he can't
×ÖÄ» say it was right because him winds
×ÖÄ» but this happens every day
×ÖÄ» to a new president that's kinda what happens they
×ÖÄ» this were regardless their intent
×ÖÄ» the in a home in Greece labor unions are the same us know
×ÖÄ» access all this information
×ÖÄ» don't feel bad about you previous positions because
×ÖÄ» you didn't know
×ÖÄ» US's information but now I'm you
×ÖÄ» and now you know you make the incidence easy for people to just
×ÖÄ» not bad it just means
×ÖÄ» look these are people who were its doing this for sixty years in
×ÖÄ» I as a as a community indeed
×ÖÄ» issue line the problems when we look any
×ÖÄ» a person's who is they came in office as well
×ÖÄ» meanwhile you listen was one
×ÖÄ» surveillance without warrants
×ÖÄ» not a good thing but in the East Indies policies
×ÖÄ» for example
×ÖÄ» eyes and are 2000 a in we've got now
×ÖÄ» allows war lists rent general want somebody to you
×ÖÄ» got it number when they have
×ÖÄ» these things they don't do anything about them
×ÖÄ» how do we explain that the most frustrating thing for me
×ÖÄ» now is is the fact that the president has the power
×ÖÄ» is executive eighteens and these that race is not required by law
×ÖÄ» even close own home strong an
×ÖÄ» he and miss months more so
×ÖÄ» and you know we your
×ÖÄ» comment something all were hoping for a while
×ÖÄ» we don't need law yemenese
×ÖÄ» think around is the president all
×ÖÄ» people countries not going to stand up for our rights
×ÖÄ» welcome this message does this send
×ÖÄ» citizens June people around
×ÖÄ» the world about 10 rebounds really mean to our
×ÖÄ» this is the last thing on I just wanna say the
×ÖÄ» the since 2013 are not
×ÖÄ» and its not and on tells
×ÖÄ» you and a certain amount
×ÖÄ» anything there in is a mini
×ÖÄ» ru me since these problems is means
×ÖÄ» real or the
×ÖÄ» we see that attention
×ÖÄ» guide I'm I wonder if this prior to where you open with clapper
×ÖÄ» over and over saying
×ÖÄ» because you you wonder I'm not like
×ÖÄ» go and I don't miss who are are elected government is out to
×ÖÄ» screw it said every turn a
×ÖÄ» usually ends up being right but I'm still can is
×ÖÄ» sticking with what I got
×ÖÄ» but I'm bed I dot party what you're trying to do is say
×ÖÄ» this is the information we're getting
×ÖÄ» they're getting is clapper
×ÖÄ» over and over seen something we know manifest
×ÖÄ» I mean it him in the beginning
×ÖÄ» in the film certainly the contacts not just in
×ÖÄ» time
×ÖÄ» government was saying or
×ÖÄ» the lies government telling but also what was
×ÖÄ» happening in the legal round mean you have the
×ÖÄ» the you know the government
×ÖÄ» arguing that everything is a state secret
×ÖÄ» you can talk about this is a case of jewel the NSA which is
×ÖÄ» litigation that's been in in the courts for years now
×ÖÄ» and and the government has
×ÖÄ» been doing to try to block any challenges to its
×ÖÄ» policy is just basically declared state secrets and
×ÖÄ» and so the beginning the film's
×ÖÄ» to try to set up the context it also sets the
×ÖÄ» context
×ÖÄ» you know what is it you know
×ÖÄ» what happens with the words may come forward
×ÖÄ» in a meet William Binney
×ÖÄ» you don't get any higher than the technical director the NSA
×ÖÄ» and you know what what our government did to him
×ÖÄ» you know that under investigation his house with guns
×ÖÄ» and so so that's kinda what
×ÖÄ» the the beginning in the film's trying to do
×ÖÄ» not just make it about this
×ÖÄ» one particular but what was the context in
×ÖÄ» which
×ÖÄ» you know when we arrive in this meeting in Hong Kong
×ÖÄ» what sets the stage and then the cop thing is so critical because
×ÖÄ» one of the things I think does
×ÖÄ» go off sometimes in this debate is people tend
×ÖÄ» to frame it as
×ÖÄ» a debate about privacy and
×ÖÄ» that this survey on stage subverts the right to
×ÖÄ» privacy and obviously does do that
×ÖÄ» on but what it really does I think were before that is that
×ÖÄ» it subverts democracy on BK is
×ÖÄ» what you have is a
×ÖÄ» government doing its most consequential policies
×ÖÄ» not but all the deal with
×ÖÄ» all the details being this close but even the
×ÖÄ» broad strokes are you have
×ÖÄ» a government that decided to turn the internet
×ÖÄ» into a venue mass surveillance
×ÖÄ» to essentially collect the entire Internet
×ÖÄ» to troll through whatever they want without even uttering a peep
×ÖÄ» to the American public about
×ÖÄ» it not something that always amazes me about
×ÖÄ» the attacks on snowed in
×ÖÄ» and are reporting is you know I can kinda see a reasonable debate
×ÖÄ» if you're using like a really
×ÖÄ» broad definition of what's reasonable overpass
×ÖÄ» surveillance like if someone wants to say
×ÖÄ» you know I think it's a
×ÖÄ» really good thing for the government to monitor
×ÖÄ» everybody's communication
×ÖÄ» in to conserve the palace under a microscope
×ÖÄ» I'm gonna disagree but I can
×ÖÄ» at least understand that debate that there's a
×ÖÄ» debate about that
×ÖÄ» what I can understand any debate
×ÖÄ» over is whether or not it's a good thing that we
×ÖÄ» now know about the government doing these things
×ÖÄ» so that we can debate Saikia ever imagine anybody saying
×ÖÄ» actually think it's better if we had remained completely
×ÖÄ» ignorant up all the things
×ÖÄ» that our government is doing in yet that to me
×ÖÄ» implicitly is what the people
×ÖÄ» who criticize Edward snowed in our reporting
×ÖÄ» are essentially arguing even though they train just up in
×ÖÄ» in this ridiculous costumes
×ÖÄ» is we would have preferred to have remained
×ÖÄ» as ignorant as we were prior
×ÖÄ» to 2013 about all the things our government was
×ÖÄ» doing at that to me is unreasonable that are sinners
×ÖÄ» I think that there's a there's this fast so wall
×ÖÄ» I don't have anything to
×ÖÄ» hide night I I've seen you go at this before
×ÖÄ» really spill your email for me
×ÖÄ» I'm coming over to your house to look through your stuff child
×ÖÄ» let me put video camera think
×ÖÄ» about them in your bedroom I just uploaded to the
×ÖÄ» Internet
×ÖÄ» you know it well on people
×ÖÄ» react first public call the police if you really
×ÖÄ» like pursue that
×ÖÄ» you know rights away but even just intellectually
×ÖÄ» people instinctively find
×ÖÄ» the idea a Palin because everyone knows that
×ÖÄ» there's a value
×ÖÄ» to you we all have things to hide their things that
×ÖÄ» we only tell our spouses are
×ÖÄ» best friends are physicians are lawyers are
×ÖÄ» psychologist that we don't want anyone to know about not
×ÖÄ» just those among us who are terrorists or criminals but all of us
×ÖÄ» on around the privacy is
×ÖÄ» critical to human freedom to political activism it's
×ÖÄ» something that we
×ÖÄ» always sought out in every
×ÖÄ» way and basically but the people are saying you
×ÖÄ» say
×ÖÄ» you know I have anything
×ÖÄ» to hide is they're saying I've agreed to turn
×ÖÄ» myself
×ÖÄ» into such a submissive compliant an interesting person
×ÖÄ» that I don't actually think the government's interested in me and
×ÖÄ» they're frightening to hide
×ÖÄ» that in itself is an extraordinary
×ÖÄ» damage that you accept that park in that
×ÖÄ» parking even exist
×ÖÄ» but I think for all of us
×ÖÄ» just the knowledge that we might be watched at
×ÖÄ» every given moment
×ÖÄ» is very psychologically damaging it means that we really
×ÖÄ» significantly narrow the
×ÖÄ» options human behavior that we think are available
×ÖÄ» and is another's point out
×ÖÄ» limit speech just by its practice right I'm
×ÖÄ» I'm interested in having just one brief consumer moment here
×ÖÄ» in addition to be in when leading filmmakers have our time
×ÖÄ» Grattan you know how big security expert
×ÖÄ» you have consulted with the NSA
×ÖÄ» and with the their CT oh and the CIA's
×ÖÄ» CTL land you're more
×ÖÄ» you and I have a little bit more in cairo night
×ÖÄ» you can write what are we
×ÖÄ» supposed to be doing are we supposed to be but not
×ÖÄ» everything
×ÖÄ» what everybody here is watching your movie in seeing what
×ÖÄ» this isn't this isn't about me is that
×ÖÄ» and yet I mean people should be a meanie
×ÖÄ» much people can use means to to secure their their
×ÖÄ» their communication right now and so you can download
×ÖÄ» the the Tor browser which is
×ÖÄ» available to cryptid web browsers if you wanna
×ÖÄ» search the web for anything you know one
×ÖÄ» be connected to your IP address then download tore
×ÖÄ» it's free it's made by people who you know devote their
×ÖÄ» their energy to to keeping that the internet a free place
×ÖÄ» and you can also it there's tech security one year
×ÖÄ» here in you text messages to to be
×ÖÄ» encrypt it then download text secure also free is
×ÖÄ» you know there's a free
×ÖÄ» software movement that's been building tools for
×ÖÄ» a long time
×ÖÄ» and they're available for
×ÖÄ» all about everybody in the room and another
×ÖÄ» yet minds mean it's kinda similar thing I
×ÖÄ» is a very integral in which are to get
×ÖÄ» d ins the like yes but Brian E
×ÖÄ» yep for my might
×ÖÄ» but what you're saying is that right general
×ÖÄ» you have to primary
×ÖÄ» its when you talk about Jones election on
×ÖÄ» on the ball bases on the island or mass is
×ÖÄ» the most important is
×ÖÄ» transport levels you sent a text message goes across
×ÖÄ» own work you know you know those waters
×ÖÄ» Hong Kong and they give all information
×ÖÄ» to Intel's is no are so what we're saying is protect that
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