EVENING WITH US.
Tucker: GOOD EVENING, AND
WELCOME TO TUCKER CARLSON
TONIGHT.
LIKE A LOT OF ACTORS, MATT
DAMON HAS A WEAKNESS FOROR
SILLY FASHIONABLE POLITICS.
OTHERWISE, HE SEEMS LIKE A
DECENT ENOUGH GUY.
CERTAINLY BY THE STANDARDS
OF THE WORLD HE LIVES IN
WHERE THE BUSINESS WHERE
STARS OFTEN BEHAVE LIKE
DEMANDING CHILDREN A PLACE
WHERE HARVEY WEINSTEIN WAS
LONG CONSIDERED A MORAL
LEADER MATT DAMON STANDS
OUT.
HE IS APPARENTLY WELL LIKED
BY EVERYBODY HE DEALS WITH.
HE GIVES GENEROUSLY TO
CHARITIES.
HE HAS BEEN MARRIED TO THE
SAME WOMAN FOR A DOZEN
YEARS.
RAISING FOUR DAUGHTERS.
NO ONE HAS EVER EVEN ACCUSED
HIM OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
SUDDENLY THAT DOESN'T MATTER
MATT DAMON'S CAREER IS IN
JEOPARDY.
MORE THAN 20,000 PEOPLE HAVE
SIGNED A PETITION FOR
CALLING FOR PRODUCERS TO CUT
DAY MONDAY FROM LATEST FILM.
THAT MOVIE HAS ALREADY BEEN
SHOT BUT THE PETITION
DEMANDS ANY EVIDENCE OF HIS
VOICE OR IMAGE BE REMOVED
FROM THE FILM IN THE EDITING
BOOTH.
OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING DAY F
MONDAY OUGHT TO BE DENIED
FUTURE FILM ROLES AND HE
MAY.
WHAT DID HE DO TO DESTROY
HIS REPUTATION IN SHORT
PERIOD OF TIME.
LAST WEEK HE GAVE AN
INTERVIEW ABC NEWS ABOUT THE
WAVE OF SEX SCANDALS IN
HOLLYWOOD.
NO, HE DIDN'T DEFEND SEXUALEX
HARASSMENT IN THAT
INTERVIEW.
HE DIDN'T SUGGEST THE
ACCUSERS ARE LYING.
HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING
REMOTELY LIKE THAT.
THOUGH YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW
IT FROM THE COVERAGE WHICHTE
IN SOME CASES OMITS ANY OF
DAMON'S DIRECT QUOTES.
WE'LL LET YOU DECIDE FOR
YOURSELF WHAT YOU THINK OF
MATT DAMON'S VIEWS.
HERE IS WHAT HE ACTUALLY
SAID TO ABC NEWS..
I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S
A SPECTRUM OF BEHAVIOR,
RIGHT, AND WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO FIGURE OUT LIKEE
WHAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU
KNOW, PATTING SOMEONE ON THE
BUTT AND RAPE OR CHILD
MOLESTATION, RIGHT?
BOTH OF THOSE BEHAVIORS NEED
TO BE CONFRONTED AND
IRRADICATED WITHOUT
QUESTION.
BUT, THEY SHOULDN'T BE
CONFLATED.
Tucker: DAMON WENT ON TO
SAY WE LIVE IN CULTURE OF
OUTRAGE AND INJURY AND HAVE
TO CORRECT ENOUGH TO SAY
WAIT A MINUTE NONE OF US
CAME HERE PERFECT.
WE ARE IN THE MOMENT, AT THE
MOMENT AND I HOPE IT DOESN'T
STAY THIS WAY.
CLEARER SIGNAL TO MEN AND
YOUNGER PEOPLE IS DENY IT
BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOUU
DID, YOUR LIFE IS GOING TO
GET RUINED.SP
ALL OF THAT BEHAVIOR NEEDS
TO BE CONFRONTED BUT THERE
IS A CONTINUUM AND ON THIS
END OF THE CONTINUUM WHERE
HAVE YOU RAPE AND CHILD
MOLESTATION OR WHATEVER, YOU
KNOW, THAT'S PRISON.
THAT'S CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR ANDHI
IT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH
THAT WAY.
THE OTHER STUFF IS KIND OF
SHAMEFUL AND GROSS.
I DON'T KNOW LOUIE CK I
NEVER MET HIM.
I'M NOT FASTEN HIS.
I DON'T IMAGINE HE IS GOING
TO DO THOSE THINGS AGAIN.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
I IMAGINE THE PRICE HE HASON
PAID AT THIS POINT IS SO
BEYOND ANYTHING THAT HE -- I
THINK WE HAVE START
DELINEATING WHAT THESE
BEHAVIORS ARE END QUOTE.
THERE IT IS.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
INCOMPLETE THOUGHTS IN
THERE.
THERE A LINE OR TWO AVERAGE
PUBLICIST WOULD ADVISE YOU
AGAINST EXPRESSING IN
PUBLIC.
BE HONEST, HOW MUCH OF THAT
DO YOU ACTUALLY DISAGREE
WITH?
HOW MUCH IS HATEFUL OR
IMMORAL OR OTHERWISE BEYOND
THE PALE?
NONE OF IT?
EXACTLY.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE
SENTIMENT IN THAT ENTIRE
PARAGRAPH THAT'S NOT
DEFENSIBLE OR 90% OF THE
POPULATION WOULD FIND OVER
THE TOP OR OUTRAGEOUS.
IT'S ALL WITHIN BOUNDS OR IT
WOULD HAVE BEEN LAST YEAR.
BUT, BECAUSE A HANDFUL OF
TWITTER USERS DON'T LIKE IT,
THE REST OFS HAVE YOU TO
PRETEND THAT MATT DAMON IS
SOMEHOW GUILTY OF SOMETHINGEN
AWFUL.
IF WE DON'T PRETEND, WE MAY
OURSELVES BE SEEN AS
COLLABORATORS OF WHATEVER
CRIMES HE SUPPOSEDLY
COMMITTED AND FORCED TO
SHARE HIS PUNISHMENT.CR
IT'S TERRIFYING AND IT'S
CORRUPTING.
THIS IS HOW REASONED GUYS,
WE ARE WATCHING IT HAPPEN.
MOST OF US ARE TOO AFRAID TO
SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT AS IT
HAPPENS.
MEANWHILE THE MOSTRE
REASONABLE VOICES GET LOUDER
BY THE HOUR.
YESTERDAY ACTRESS ROSE
McDID YOU GOEN ORDERED ET
MEDIA TO STOP USING THE WORD
ALLEGED WHEN DESCRIBING
CLAIMS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
IN OTHER WORDS, EVERYONE
ACCUSED IS GUILTY.
IF YOU DENY THAT YOU ARE
GUILTY TOO.
WEIRDLY ALMOST NOBLE IN THEE
MEDIA PUSHED BACKS AGAINST
ROSE McGOWAN'S DEMAND.
BEFORE LONG THEY HAVE TO
FOLLOW HER SHE HAS NEARLY A
MILLION TWITTER FOLLOWERS.
SHE IS CALLING THE SHOTS.
LET'S BE HONEST WHAT'S
HAPPENING.
SOCIAL MEDIA IS DEMAND
DRIVING IT.
LARGE PORTIONS OF OUR
POPULATION AND IRONICALLY
THEY TEND TO BE THE BEST
EDUCATED PORTIONS OF THE
POPULATION ARE NOW ADDICTED
TO OUTRAGE.
VIRTUE SIGNALING, BAND
WAGONING, SOCIAL MEDIA DID
THAT IT TURNS OUT IT'S NOT
THAT HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT
EVERY FAMOUS PERSON IN
AMERICA IS THINKING AT ALL
TIMES.ER
IT JUST MAKES US ALL CRAZY
AND LESS CONTENT.S.
A FEW WEEKS AGO FORMER
FACEBOOK PRESIDENT SEAN.
PARKER ADMITTED THE WEBSITE
HE HELPED FOUND FACEBOOK
QUOTE LITERALLY CHANGES YOUR
RELATIONSHIP WITH SOCIETY
AND WITH EACH OTHER.
PARKER WAS RIGHT.
IT IS ALL SHREDDING OUR
SOCIAL FABRIC BEFORE OUR
EYES.
REMEMBER, YOU HAVE AN
ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT
YOU THINK IS TRUE.
OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT NOT AGREE
WITH YOU BUT THAT'S OKAY IT
DOESN'T MAKE EITHER OF YOU
EVIL OR MEAN YOU OUGHT TO BE
FIRED FROM YOUR JOB.T'
IT JUST MEANS YOU DISAGREE.
THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRUE.
IT WAS TRUE BEFORE SMART
PHONES AND NO MATTER WHAT
THEY SAY ON TWITTER, IT'S
TRUE NOW.
JOINING US NOW RADIO SHOW
HOST TAMMY BRUCE. N
SO, TAMMY, I NEVER THOUGHT
THAT I WOULD DEFEND MATT
DAMON AND I'M NOT ACTUALLY
REALLY DEFENDING MATT DAMON,
I'M DEFENDING THE
PROPOSITION THAT YOU SAY
SOMETHING THAT OTHER PEOPLE
DISAGREE WITH WITHOUT BEING
FIRED FOR IT AND WE SEEM TO
HAVE LOST THAT.
YEAH, INDEED.
LOOK, I ALSO LOATHE HIM.
HE SAID SOME THINGS ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT AND ABOUTT
OTHERS WHICH POLITICALLY I
VERY MUCH DISAGREE WITH.
I DON'T KNOW HIM.
BUT HE SEEMS TO ME TO BE
LIKE THE BLIND SQUIRREL
HERE.
EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU FIND
A NUT.
AND HE HAS FOUND ONE BECAUSE
HE IS RIGHT.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN
YOUR ASSESSMENT LEADING INTO
THIS.
BUT AS A FEMINIST, HERE ISNT
ALSO WHAT I SEE IN THIS
REGARD.
I HAVE BEEN ARGUING FROM THE
BEGINNING HERE THAT WE NEED
TO BE CAREFUL AS I SAW THE
ATTEMPT TO CONFLATE GUYS
BEING JERKS WITH GUYS WHO
ARE ACTUAL PREDATORS.
AND THE WOMEN INVOLVED IN
THIS AND THE PEOPLE ON THE T
LEFT ARGUE THAT WELL WE
DON'T WANT HIM AND OTHERS TO
TRIVIALs THESE SERIOUS
ALLEGATIONS.
WHAT REALLY TRIVIALIZES
THEM, TUCKER, WHEN YOU DO
COMPARE A MAN CALLING YOUU
BEAUTIFUL AS YOU WALK DOWN
THE HALLWAY OR MAYBE RUBBING
YOUR BACK WITH AN ACT OF
RAPE THAT TRIVIALIZES THOSE
SURVIVORS, WHAT THEY HAVE
BEEN THROUGH.
AND I THINK AS MOST PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND THAT, AS WE
LISTEN TO AS YOU READ WHAT
MATT DAMON SAID.
AND THIS IS NOW OUR
CHALLENGE.
BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE
LEFT ALWAYS DOES. I
THEY USE A SERIOUS ISSUE
THAT PEOPLE, WE KNOW IT HAS
TO BE DEALT WITH.T
AND THEN WRITE IT AND THEN
ABUSE IT, THEY GO TOO FAR.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE FRENCH
REVOLUTION.
PEOPLE BEGIN TO DO THINGS
SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY CAN.
AND THEY USE IT FOR REVENGE
OR BECAUSE THEY CAN'T STOP
THEIR RAGE.
AND THEN EVERYBODY IS GOING
TO HAVE TO PAY -- JODY
FOSTER I HAVE THINK SAID I
SAW A HEADLINE THE OTHER DAY
THAT EVERY MAN OVER THE AGE
OF 30 IS SOMEWHAT CULPABLE
FOR THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT WE
NOW FACE.
I HAVE FOUND IN MY LIFE IT'S
BEEN MEN WHO HAVE BEEN MOST
HELPFUL AND THE MOST DECENT
TO ME.
WITH WOMEN NOT NECESSARILY
BEING SO.
SO, THIS IS AN ISSUE OF
BEHAVIOR.
IT'S NOT AN ISSUE ABOUT MEN
OR SEX EVEN AS WE KNOW.
IT'S ABOUT CONTROL.
I THINK THAT UNLESS WE GET A
HANDLE ON THIS AND HAVE AN
HONEST CONVERSATION, YOU'RE
GOING TO HAVE THE LEFT ONCE
AGAIN SHREDDING AN IMPORTANT
ISSUE LIKE SEXUAL
HARASSMENT, SEXUAL ASSAULT
BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW,
THEY HAVE NO BOUNDARY OF
WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND THEN CONFLATING
EVERYTHING AND THEN JUST
SIMPLY VOMITING THEIR RAGE
OUT ON EVERYONE.
Tucker: EXACTLY.
IT DIMINISHES THE EXPERIENCEOU
OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE
SUFFERED.
EXACTLY.IE
Tucker: IF YOU LOST YOUR
LEGS IN IED AND I CLOSED MY
HANDS IN A CAR DOOR YOU
WOULD SAY WE BOTH SUFFERED
IN A SAME WAY.
YOU SAY ACTUALLY I HAD MY
LEG BLOWN OFF.
YOU BROKE A FINGER.
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT
THINGS IN THE WORKPLACE AND
SERIOUSNESS.
WORKPLACES CLEARLY ARE
DEALING WITH THAT WE HAVE TO
BE CAREFUL WITH SINGLE
VOICES WHO HAVE PERHAPS
ORIGINALLY SOME VERY
IMPORTANT THINGS TO SAIL AND
THEN SOMETHING CHANGES IN S
THAT FRAMEWORK BECAUSE THEY
SHOULD NOT BE CONFLATED.
THESE THINGS ARE DIFFERENT.
THERE IS A CONTINUUM.
AND CERTAIN VOICES,
HOPEFULLY VOICES LIKE OURS
WILL REMIND PEOPLE OF THESE
THINGS AND MAKE SURE WE
DON'T HAVE A WHOLESALE
EFFECTIVELY A BEHEADING OFOF
EVERYONE WHO THE LEFT
DOESN'T LIKE OR THAT
FEMINISTS DON'T LIKE BECAUSE
THEN WE ARE ALL GOING TO
LOSE.
Tucker: THAT'S EXACTLY
RIGHT.
LET REASONABLE PEOPLE SPEAK.
TAMMY, YOU ARE A REASONABLE
PERSON.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR, I
APPRECIATE IT.
Tucker: DR. CAROL
LEASHMAN IS A PSYCHIATRIST
AND FREQUENT EXPERT WITNESS
IN SEXUAL HARASSMENT CASES
SHE SHE JOINS US TONIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR COMING ON.
THANK YOU..
Tucker: THINGS ARE CHANGE
QUICKLY ABOUT OUR ATTITUDES
ABOUT SEXUAL HARASSMENT, Y
SEXUAL ASSAULT.
WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE OF THIS
POTENTIALLY.
EVERYTHING IS REALLY OUT
OF CONTROL.
THIS HAS BECOME SUCH A
BANDWAGON.
NOW, CERTAINLY THERE ARE A
LOT OF WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN
SEXUALLY HARASSED.
HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED.
A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE
VALID.
BUT, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS
THAT THERE ARE SOME WOMEN
WHO HAVE JOINED THIS
BANDWAGON WHO HAVE NOT BEEN
SEXUALLY HARASSED OR ABUSED
BUT WHO ARE ANGRY AT MEN FOR
THEIR OWN PERSONAL REASONS
AND HAVE EXTENDED THIS WAY
BEYOND WHAT THE ORIGINAL
CONCEPT WAS.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOW GOING INTO
THE AMERICAN VALUES OF FREE
SPEECH AND PRESUMED
INNOCENT.
YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
PEOPLE ARE BEING TRIED IN
THE MEDIA BECAUSE OF THESE
ALLEGATIONS.
I MEAN, NOT EVEN SUPPOSE TO
SAY ALLEGATION.
THAT IS ABSURD.
AND SO MATT DAMON, YOU KNOW,
HERE'S A -- BECAUSE HE WAS
CONNECTED IN SOME WAY TO
HARVEY WEINSTEIN, BECAUSE HE
DIDN'T SPEAK OUT AGAINST
HIM, NOW PEOPLE ARE GOING
AFTER HIM BECAUSE HE'S A
FRIEND OR A COWORKER.
I MEAN, WHERE DOES THIS END?
IT'S LIKE 1984.
AND IT'S ERODING OUR TRUST.
MEN AND WOMEN, YOU KNOW, FORST
WOMEN TO HAVE POWER IT'S NOT
TO BE LIKE MEN OR MAKE MEN
FEMINIZED, TO MAKE THEM TO
TAKE AWAY THEIR POWER TO
CASTRATE THEM.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S
HAPPENING.
IT'S BETTER TO BE ABLE TO
WORK TOGETHER IN AN
ENVIRONMENT.
SHARE BOTH OF THE THINGSGS
THAT EACH ONE HAS THAT CAN
ADD TO THE OTHER.VI
IT'S NOT ABOUT -- I MEAN,
YES, CERTAINLY WOMEN
DESERVE -- THERE'S IS THE
PAY DISCREPANCY AND ALL
THESE KINDS OF THINGS, IT'S
TRUE.
BUT TO BE GO ABOUT IT IN
THIS MASS HYSTERIA KIND OF
WAY AND TO TAKE AWAY THINGS
THAT WE REALLY NEED TO RELY
ON AS I SAID LIKE PRESUMED
INNOCENT AND FREE SPEECH IS
JUST GOING WAY BEYOND WHAT
IS CALLED FOR.
Tucker: I ALSO SUSPECT IN
WAYS I CAN'T COMPLETELY
ARTICULATE THAT SOME OF THE
VICTIMS IN THIS ARE GOING TO
BE WOMEN DOWN THE LINE.HI
YES. D
YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT --
PEOPLE ARE NOT -- WOMEN ARE
NOT LOOKING AT THIS FOR THE
LONG TERM.
THERE IS GOING TO BE
EFFECTS.
WOMEN ARE GOING TO BE HIRED
LESS BECAUSE MEN ARE GOING
TO BE AFRAID THAT THEY ARE
GOING TO ACCUSE THEM OF
SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
REALLY, WHAT IS EVEN MORE
POWERFUL IS IF WE'RE NOT
ALLOWED TO HUG OR FLIRT OR I
MEAN, THE RELATIONSHIP, THE
LOVE RELATIONSHIP, AND I'M
NOT SAYING THAT HARASSER AND
A VICTIM, YOU KNOW, THAT
THAT'S A LOVE RELATIONSHIP.M,
BUT, YOU KNOW, LOVE HAS
ACTUALLY BEEN UNDER FIRE NOW
FOR A WHILE.
I MEAN, THERE IS NO DATING
ANYMORE.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
WEBSITES, INTERNET AND SO
ON.
NO FLIRTING.
I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY LOSING
A LOT OF WHAT IS GOOD OR WAS
GOOD IN A RELATIONSHIP.
Tucker: IT SURE SEEMS
THAT WAY AND NOT PAUSING TO
THINK OF THE CONSEQUENCES,
UNFORTUNATELY.Y.
EXACTLY.
Tucker: DR. LIEBERMAN,
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE YOUR
INSIGHT.
THANK YOU.
Tucker: WHY THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION APPEARED TO
PROTECT THE TERROR GROUP
HEZBOLLAH.
WE WILL TALK TO SOMEBODY WHO
SAYS THE STORY IS NOT A BIG
DEAL.
IT'S MADE UP.
♪
Tucker: IN A BID FOR A
NUCLEAR
Tucker: IN A BID FOR A
NUCLEAR DEAL WITH IRAN, THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
REPORTEDLY ALLOWED THE
TERROR GROUP HEZBOLLAH TO
SMUGGLE MASSIVE AMOUNTS TONS
OF COCAINE INTO THE UNITED
STATES.
IT WAS A STUNNING DECISION,
SOME CONGRESSIONAL
REPUBLICANS ARE DEMANDING
ANSWERS.
YESTERDAY TWO OF THEM
SEPTEMBER A LETTER TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
DEMANDING ALL DOCUMENTS THEY
MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THIS
QUESTION.
MANY DEMOCRATS MEANWHILE
ARGUE THIS IS BOTH OLD NEWS
AND A DISTRACTION AND BY THE
WAY UNTRUE. N
RICHARD GOOD STEIN ADVISED
BOTH OF HILLARY CLINTON'S
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS HE
JOINS US TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR COMING ON.
SURE.
GOOD TO BE HERE.
Tucker: YOU WROTE A PIECE
IN POLITICO.
AUTHOR PROBABLE LIBERAL
QUOTING A NUMBER OF PEOPLE
INTERVIEWING DOZENS OF OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION EMPLOYEES ATQU
TREASURY AND DEA WHO SAID IN
SOME CASES ON THE RECORD IN
TESTIMONY BEFORE CONGRESS
THAT THE OBAMA PEOPLE SLOWED
DOWN THE INVESTIGATION TO
GET THE IRAN DEAL.
WHY WOULD THEY ALL LIE ABOUT
THAT?
WELL, COUPLE THINGS.
THIS IS A PREDICATE.
THIS SMELLS LIKE BENGHAZI
WHICH IS TO SAY IT'S A MUCH S
ADO, INDEED A LOT TO DO
ABOUT NOTHING, ULTIMATELY.
THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION,
IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE
NAME SOURCES, WHY WOULD THEY
DO IT?
BECAUSE THEY HAD A BIAS
WHICH IS TO SAY THEY NEVER
LIKED THE IRAN DEAL FROM
WORD GO AND PEOPLE LATER
ASKED TO COMMENT ABOUT THE
STORY FROM JOHN BRENNAN ON
DOWN THEY SAID THERE IS
NOTHING TO THIS.
Tucker: JOHN BRENNAN THE
GUY ALWAYS JUMPING AROUND ON
TWITTER.
JOHN BRENNAN IS NOT
CREDIBLE.
HE IS A LUDICROUS FIGURE.
READ HIS TWITTER FEED IF YOU
DON'T BELIEVE ME.
I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE
MOTIVE HERE.OR
THE AUTHOR, AGAIN, FOR
POLITICO, LIBERAL
PUBLICATION SUPPORTED THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ALL
EIGHT YEARS PRETTY
CONSISTENTLY INTERVIEWED
OBAMA EMPLOYEES WHO SAID NOT
THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE
IRAN DEAL.
MANE THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT. T
THERE ARE REASONS NOT TO
LIKE IT.
BUT VERY SPECIFICALLY THE
OBAMA PEOPLE TRIED TO
SQUELCH OPERATION CASSANDRA,
AN INVESTIGATION AND
OPERATION DESIGNED TO STOP
HEZBOLLAH DRUG DEALING IN
THE AMERICAS.
WHY WOULD THEY LIE ABOUT
THAT?
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY
DID LIE.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE
STORY, EVERYTHING IS KIND OF M
QUALIFIED, RIGHT?
THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT MIGHT
HAVE HAPPENED.K
WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.
THEY TALK ABOUT THE FACT
THAT, WELL, THE CZECH
REPUBLIC COULD HAVE BEEN
PRESSURED TO DO MORE TO
RELEASE SOMEBODY.
I MEAN, IT'S ONE QUALIFIERRE
AFTER ANOTHER.OD
AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO
THE FACT THAT THOSE PEOPLE
WHO SPOKE, AGAIN, NOT FOR
ATTRIBUTION DIDN'T REALLY
KNOW AND THE PEOPLE WHO DIDD
KNOW WEREN'T INTERVIEWED FOR
THE RECORD.
Tucker: WELL, IT'S THE
PEOPLE WHO RAN THE PROGRAM
WERE QUOTED, WHO RAN THE DEA
PROGRAM WHO SAID, LOOK, WE
HAD THEM.
AND BECAUSE THE OBAMA PEOPLE
WANTED TO GET THIS IRAN
DEAL, THEY MADE US PULL BACK
AND TONS OF COCAINE WOUND UP
IN CIRCULATION IN THE UNITED
STATES. T
IT JUST DOESN'T -- I MEAN
IT, WOULD BE ONE THING IF IT
WAS THE KOCH BROTHERS ARE
ALLEGING SOMETHING OR SOME O
LONG-TIME ENEMY OF THE OBAMA
PEOPLE.
THESE ARE OBAMA'S OWN
EMPLOYEES, DOZENS OF THEM.
IT'S HARD TO SEE THEIR
MOTIVE FOR LYING ABOUT THIS.
OBAMAS WERE PEOPLE WHO
WORKED IN THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WHEN BARACK OBAMA
WERE PRESIDENT.
Tucker: THEIR BOSS WAS
BARACK OBAMA.
HIS PICTURE HUNG IN THEIR
OFFICE.
TRUMP'S PEOPLE WHEN
THEY'RE NOT GOING ALONG WITH
THE PROGRAM.
Tucker: 80% OF FEDERALPL
EMPLOYEES VOTE DEMOCRAT.T.
PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF RIGHT
WINGERS, RIGHT?
MY POINT IS THEY HAD ANOY
AGENDA THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE
IRAN DEAL.
I THINK THEY ARE NOW TRYING
TO GET THEIR ROCKS OFF BY
TRYING TO TALK TO THIS
REPORTER TO TALK -- LET ME
SAY TWO OTHER THINGS.
Tucker: SO THEY'RE LYING.
ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE LYING
ABOUT THE SAME THING IS WHAT
YOU ARE SAYING?
WHY NOT JUST CRITICIZE THE
IRAN DEAL.
WOULDN'T THAT BE EASIER?
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN
DOING THAT IF THAT'S WHAT
THEY THOUGHT..
A NO WAR WITH HEZBOLLAH
JUST PARENTHETICALLY SINCE
2006 AND IRANIANS DO NOT
HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THERE
IS A CONNECTION.
I BELIEVE THESE VERY SENIOR
PEOPLE OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONN,
SINCE THIS POLITICO STORY
SAID THERE IS NOTHING TO IT
IN THE MOST VEHEMENT TERMS
THEY CAN.
Tucker: IT'S HORRIFYINGNG
AND REFLECTS SO POORLY ON
THEM.
IT DOESN'T ANSWER THE
QUESTION IN THE SPECIFICS.
THE PIECE SAYS SPECIFICALLY
HEZBOLLAH'S MAIN ARM'S
DEALER WAS NABBED BY AN
EASTERN EUROPEAN GOVERNMENT.
THE UNITED STATES COULD HAVE
EXTRADITED HIM BUT DIDN'T
BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WANT TO
QUELL THE DEAL.
IT SAYS THEY DIDN'T PUT
SUFFICIENT PRESSURE ON.
AS A FACTUAL MATTER THE U.S.
CONDEMNED THE CZECH REPUBLIC
FOR NOT RELEASING THIS GUY.
Tucker: WE CONDEMN LOTS
OF THINGS.
THE GUY IS BACK IN BEIRUT
SELLING ARMS.
TO SOMEHOW ATTRIBUTE THAT
TO BARACK OBAMA BECAUSE THEK
CZECH REPUBLIC HELD A GUY
THEY WOULDN'T RELEASE TO THE
UNITED STATES AND ULTIMATELY
THEY DID RELEASE INTO HIS
OWN, SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER,
THAT'S BENGHAZI STUFF.
Tucker: I DON'T WANT TO
ADDRESS BENGHAZI BECAUSE
IT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
STORY AND A DIFFERENT FACT
SET, BUT, THIS PIECE ALES
THAT TONS OF COCAINE MADE IT
INTO THIS COUNTRY.
AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
KNEW, THE DEA KNEW IT WAS
COMING INTO THE COUNTRY.
I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO
BE MUCH DEBATE ABOUT THAT.
WELL,.
Tucker: THAT SEEMS LIKE A
BIG DEAL TO ME GIVEN THE
TOLL THAT DRUGS HAVE TAKEN
ON THE COUNTRY IN THE LAST
10 YEARS.
RIGHT.
NUCLEAR WEAPONS WOULD TAKE A
MUCH BIGGER TOLL ON THE
WORLD.
OKAY.
AGAIN, I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO
THE NATION.
Tucker: SO THERE IS A
TRADEOFF.
MORE PEOPLE DIE --
-- NO.
AND THERE WOULD BE PENAL
DYING WHO ARE UNITED STATES
CITIZENS.
I DON'T TO THE PREMISE OF
THE ARTICLE.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER I
THINK IF IT WAS TRUE.
Tucker: YOU JUST PROVED
THE PREMISE OF THE ARTICLE.
I APPRECIATE IT.
MY PLEASURE.
Tucker: DESPITE A 50,000
WORD PIECE IN POLITICO KIND
OF NAILING THE HEZBOLLAH
STORY, THE STORY WITH MAJOR
IMPLICATIONS, NO ONE IS
REALLY PAYING ATTENTION IN
THE PRESS.
WHERE IT REPRINTED ON THE
FRONT PAGE OF THE "NEW YORK
TIMES."
NO.
ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT IT ON
OTHER MORNING STORES?
NO.
WHY IS THAT JOE CONCHA PAYS
CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE MEDIA
AND HE WRITES FOR THE HILL.
HE JOINS US TONIGHT.
FAR BE IT FOR ME TO TOUT
ANYTHING POLITICO DOES, NOT
A FAN.
THIS PIECE SEEMED LIKEOR
SOMETHING HARD TO IGNORE AND
YET IT'S BEING IGNORED.
WHY IS THAT.
USUALLY IN THESE CASES
IT'S LOOKED AS WHEN A STORY
ISN'T REPORTED IT COMES FROM
RIGHT WING OUTLET AND
THEREFORE WE'RE GOING TO
DISMISS IT.
AS YOU SAID, POLITICO IS NOT
EXACTLY A BASSIAN OF
CONSERVATIVE SENTIMENT.
SO THAT'S OUT.
THEN WE LOOK AT THIS AST'
BEING 14,000 WORD PIECE THAT
THIS REPORTER, JOSH MYER,
WORKED ON FOR MONTHS.
AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION W
OFFICIALS THE ONES PUSHING
BACK ON THIS NOW LOYAL LISTS
WERE ALL ASKED TO COMMENT ON
THE STORY AND THEY WOULDN'T
BEFORE PUBLICATION.
THEY PUSHED BACK ON IT
AFTERWARDS.
THEY CAN'T CITE FACTS WRONG
WITH IT BUT JUST THE OVERALL
THRUST.
CERTAINLY THAT'S ONE THING.
IF WE PLAYED A GAME OF PU.
PARALLEL UNIVERSE AN
APPROPRIATE ACRONYM AND YOU
TOOK OUT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND
HEZBOLLAH AND YOU INSERTED
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND RUSSIA,
HOW MUCH COVERAGE DO YOU
THINK THIS WOULD GET?
I'M GUESSING YOU WOULD NEED
30 HOURS IN YOUR BROADCAST
DAY JUST TO COVER.
THIS BUT, INSTEAD, ABC, CBS,
NBC, THE NIGHTLY NEWSCAST
AND THAT'S THE BEST GAUGE TO I
USE IN THESE SITUATIONS IN
TERMS OF COVERAGE DID NOT
COVER THIS STORY.
IT DEMANDS TO BE COVERED
SINCE BOTH SIDES ARE
DISPUTING IT THERE IS
CERTAINLY A LOT HERE BASED
ON METICULOUS THIS WORTH
WAS.
HE HAD NOT THE UNNAMED
SOURCES WITH THE POLITICAL
SOURCES AND INDIANA AND
HEARSAY WILL.
HE HAD NAMED SOURS ON THE
EVERYDAY ROW.
DOCUMENTS ON THE RECORD
THINGS WE DID NOT SEE WHEN
THE BRIAN REPORTS ORDERED TO"O
MICHAEL TWIN TO TALK TO THE
RUSSIANS.
THAT WAS BASED ON ONE FLIMSY
SOURCE.O
NO CHECKS AND BALANCES AND
RUSHED TO THE AIR.
Tucker: DO YOU THINK PART
OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE
FACT THIS WAS ALSO A DRUGO
STORY AND PEOPLE DYING OF
DRUG ODES AND DRUG ADDICTION
IN THIS COUNTRY MORE THAN
60,000 OF THEM LAST YEAR ARE
MOSTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
COUNTRY.
IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN THE
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MEDIA
PEOPLE LIVE.
IN THAT SORRY STORY IS -- I
MEAN, IT'S ACTUALLY LOWERED
LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR MIDDLE
AMERICA.
HOW OFTEN IS THAT EVEN
COVERED?
MIDDLE AMERICA, NEW
HAMPSHIRE, NEW JERSEY WHERE
I LIVE.
THE OPIOID CRISIS, THE DRUG
CRISIS THAT'S HAPPENING IN
AMERICA IN THIS COUNTRY IS
VASTLY UNDER REPORTED AS
WELL: AGAIN IT AIN'T SEXY.
IT'S NOT SEXY.
JUST LIKE THE ECONOMY ISN'T
SEXY.
JUST LIKE THE ISIS CALIPHATE
BEING DESTROYED ISN'T SEXY.
JUST LIKE ALL THESE THINGS,
TAX REFORM ISN'T SEXY.
INSTEAD, WE CONCENTRATE ON
RUSSIA.
THERE ARE THREE
INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON.
I'M NOT SAYING DON'T COVER
IT I'M NOT SAYING THERE
ISN'T A STORY THERE.OI
WE ARE OVERWHELMED IN ONE
DIRECTION AND WE'RE MISSING
THE IMPORTANT STUFF.
Tucker: YEAH THAT
AMERICANS ARE DYING.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A BIG DEAL
TO ME.
THANK YOU.
MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Tucker: DEMOCRATS CLAIM Y
TO BE A THE PARTY OF A DOWN
TRODDEN WORKING CLASS.
PRIORITY INNER CREASINGLY
SEEMS TO BE MISPLACING WITH
IMMIGRANT.
ASK THE FORMER DEMOCRATIC
GOVERNOR WHAT IS THE PARTY'S
FUTURE.
STUCK TUCK FOR 80 YEARS THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS THE
PARTY OF FDR SAW ITSELF AS
THE CHAMPION OF THE WORKS
CLASS IN SOME WAYS IT WAS.
TODAY'S DEMOCRATS FEEL
DIFFERENTLY ABOUT
CONSTITUENCY.
THE TOP PARTY OF THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY APPEARS TO
BE MASS IMMIGRATIONPP
DISPLACEMENT OF WORKERS
HERE.
MANY IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
ORDERED FOR SHUT DOWN OF THEHE
GOVERNMENT IN PURSUIT OF
FULL DACA AMNESTY.
HOUSE LEADER NANCY PELOSI
PARENTS DID A GREAT THING BY
BREAKING OUR IMMIGRATION
LAWS.
MARTIN O'MALLEY WAS THE
DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR OF
MARYLAND.
HE RECENTLY STOPPED A PAC TO D
HELP DOWN BALLOT DEMOCRATS.
HE WILL BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE
CHARTING THE FUTURE OF THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
HE JOINING US TONIGHT TO
TELL US WHAT IT IS.
GOVERNOR, GREAT TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU, TUCKER.
GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Tucker: MERRY CHRISTMAS.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE
ELECTION OF TRUMP OPENS UP A
BUNCH OF QUESTIONS FOR
DEMOCRATS, OBVIOUS ONE WHO
IS WHO ARE WE GOING TO BE?
RECLAIM OUR PLACE AS THE
PARTY OF THE MIDDLE CLASS OR
NOT.
I THINK THEY COULD PROBABLY
DO PRETTY WELL IF THEY DID
THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT OBVIOUS FROM
THE PRIORITIES. I
WOULD WOULD THE DEMOCRAT
PARTY PUT AMNESTY FOR DACA
RECIPIENTS AT THE VERY TOP
OF THE POLICE OF THINGS TO
GET DONE AT THE END OF THE
YEAR.
LOOK, I THINK THE CORE OF
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY REMAINS
THAT COMMITMENT TO THAT
TIMELESS AMERICAN IDEAL OF
OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL. T
AND WERE WE NOT A COUNTRY OF
IMMIGRANTS WE WOULD NOT BE
THE COUNTRY OF CREATIVITY,
INNOVATION, DIVERSITY, WHICH
MAKES US SUCH A STRONG
COUNTRY.
SO, LOOK -- THE DEMOCRATICMA
PARTY BELIEVES IN THE
DIGNITY OF EVERY PERSON AND
DIGNITY OF WORK.
AND CONTRARY TO SOME FALSE
ASSERTIONS, THERE IS NOT A
LOT OF MASS IMMIGRATION
GOING ON.
I MEAN, LAST YEAR, NET
IMMIGRATION FOR MEXICO WAS
ZERO.
MEANING THAT AS MANY PEOPLE
LEFT.AN
Tucker: NO, NO.
THERE HAS BEEN MASS
IMMIGRATION FOR 52 YEARS AND
HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED THE
DEMOGRAPHIC MIX OF THE
COUNTRY AND POPULATION OF
THE COUNTRY.
WE HAVE MORE THAN A MILLION
COMING LEGALLY.
THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN
IMMIGRATION.
Tucker: NOT AT THESE
LEVELS.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD LEVELSTH
THIS HIGH IN AMERICAN
HISTORY.
THAT'S A FACTS.
I'M NOT ARGUING AGAINST
IMMIGRATION.
I'M JUST.
1970S AND 180s WHEN MY
GRANDPARENTS CAME HERE.
Tucker: WE HAVE A HIGHER
PROPORTION NOW.
HERE'S THE POINT.
IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT
WAGES WHICH ARE STAGNANT AND
THAT SEEMS LIKE OBVIOUS
ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS AND
SOMETHING TO BE UPSET ABOUT.CH
IMPORTING A MILLION LOW WAGE
WORKERS EVERY YEAR DOES NOT
MAKE WAGES GO UP.
IT'S A MATH QUESTION IT
DOESN'T WORK.
WHY WOULD THEY BE FOR THAT?
YEAH, HERE IS THE RUB
THOUGH, TUCKER.
IT'S -- YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN
OUR COUNTRY ALREADY. T
AND THESE DREAM ACT KIDS,
KIDS COVERED BY DACA.
THEY WERE BROUGHT HERE AT A
TIME WHEN THEY ARE NOT EVENID
OF AN AGE OF REASON WHERE
WHEN THEY COULD SAY THEY
WANTED TO COME OR DIDN'T
WANT TO COME.
THE ONLY PLACE COME IS THEN
UNITED STATES.
WHAT'S A REAL DRAG ON WAGES
IS WHEN YOU FORCE PEOPLE TO O
LIVE IN THE SHADOWS OF A
SOCIETY, TO WORK OFF THE
BOOKS.HA
TO BE EXPLOITED BECAUSE THEY
CANNOT GO TO ENFORCE
CONTRACTS AND THEY CANNOT
AND THEY ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO
BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT
HOLD DOWN WAGES.
WHEN WORKERS FULL LIGHT OPEN
SOCIETY THAT'S BETTER FOR
ALL OF US.
Tucker: BRINGING AMNESTY
TO PEOPLE.
BRINGING MORE IMMIGRANTS IN
FROM COUNTRIES WHERE THE
WAGE IS A THIRD OF WHAT IT
IS HERE.
WHY HASN'T THAT HAPPENED YET
IF THAT WORKS?HE
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS.
THAT THESE KIDS ARE ALREADYAS
HERE.
THEY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR
YEARS AND YEARS.
THE ONLY COUNTRY THEY KNOW
IS THE UNITED STATES.
Tucker: I GET IT, LOOK,K,
IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION FOR
THEM.
OF ALL THE ISSUES, I DON'T
KNOW, HOW ABOUT ENTITLEMENT
CUTS OR THE OPIOID CRISIS OR
THINGS THAT ACTUALLY AFFECT
MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA.
WHY IS THE ONE ISSUE THEY
ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE ON
THOUGH, SHUT THE GOVERNMENT
DOWN OVER IT, 700,000 PEOPLE
HERE ILLEGALLY.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE METAL
CLASS IS NOT THEIR PRIORITY.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.
I SEE WHAT YOU ARE
SAYING.U
BUT I THINK YOU ASCRIBE TO
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, YOU
KNOW, MYOPIC WORLD VIEW.
THESE KIDS ARE IMPORTANT.
THE FACT THAT 120 OF THEM
ARE FALLING OUT OF STATUS
EVERY DAY IS ALSO IMPORTANT.
BUT, MOST -- WE ALSO, THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS
FIGHTING AGAINST THIS 1.3
TRILLION-DOLLAR TAX CUT THAT
PRIMARILY BENEFITS THE
WEALTHY THAT ISN'T NEEDED.
THAT ISN'T FISCALLY
RESPONSIBLE THAT DOES
NOTHING TO MAKE WAGES GO UP.
DEMOCRATIC PARTY ISO
ADVOCATING IN STATES AND
CITIES ACROSS AMERICA FOR
RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE,
FOR PAYING A LIVING WAGE.
LOOK, WE'RE ALSO ADVOCATING
FOR MORE AFFORDABLE COLLEGE,
MORE AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE.
SO, YES, PART OF THAT IS
THAT WE CARE ABOUT THESE
KIDS.
THESE KIDS WHOSE ONLY
COUNTRY IS THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA.
Tucker: I KNOW THE PARTY
CARES ABOUT THE KIDS.
GOVERNOR, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.
REMEMBER, JESUS WAS HIMSELF
A REFUGEE CHILD.
WHAT DO YOU IF HE CAME TO
YOUR BORDER?
Tucker: THAT'S SO STUPID
IT'S HARD TO RESPOND.
THANK YOU THOUGH..
MEAT IS TASTY BUT SHOULD WE
GIVE IT UP IN ORDER TO TEAR
DOWN THE TOXIC MALE
PATRIOTIC WHATEVER THAT IS
OUR NEXT GUEST SAYS YES GO
VEGETARIAN.
SHE JOINS US AFTER THE
Tucker: EATING MEAT IS
PRETTY TASTY.
NOT SURPRISED MOST PEOPLE DO
IT YOU PROBABLY DO.
ARE THEY MAKING A MISTAKE
LEAVING HALF THE HUMAN RACE
ENSLAVED BY PATE I CAN.
PROFESSOR OF UNIVERSITY.
SITTING NEXT TO ME ON THE
SET INTERESTING PETE'S
JOURNAL OF FEMINIST
GEOGRAPHY.
EATING MEAT ENTRENCHES
HEGEMONIC MASCULINITY AND
THAT FOR WOMEN GOING
VEGETARIAN PUSHES BACKHE
AGAINST THE PATRIOTIC AND
MAY ELIMINATE THE GENDER
BINARY ITSELF.
THE PROFESSOR JOINS US
TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR COMING ON.
THANK YOU.
SO YOU WROTE THIS IN THE
JOURNAL OF FEMINIST
GEOGRAPHY.
MY ISSUE DID NOT COME SO I
HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
I CAN SEND YOU A COPY.
Tucker: I CAN'T WAIT.
YOU SAY THAT VEGETARIANISM
HELPS WOMEN PUSH BACK
AGAINST THE PATRIOTIC AND
MAKES MEN MORE RESPECTFUL.
HOW DOES THAT WORK.
THAT'S NOT A DIRECT QUOTE
BUT VERY WELL SUMMARIZED.
YOU MUST HAVE GOOD PEOPLE
WORKING FOR YOU.
Tucker: FOR SURE.
HOW DO YOU CONNECT EATING
MEAT CARNIVORE BEHAVIOR.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF
OCTAVIA BUTLER?
DO YOU LIKE SCIENCE FICTION?
I HAVE A BOOK CALLED
OCTAVIA BUTLER LILUS BROAD.
Tucker: THAT'S LIKE A
DISTAUPIAN FEMINIST NOVEL.
NO, NO.
YOU GOT TO READ IT.
IT'S IT'S IT'S ABOUT
CARNIVORES?
YOU GOT TO READ IT TO
FIND OUT.
Tucker: HOW DO YOU THINK
BEING A VEGETARIAN HELPS
DEFEAT THE PATRIARCHY.
ARE YOU GOING TO READ IT.
Tucker: OF COURSE.
THANK YOU.
THIS IS THE ONE I'M
READING AND FOR ANOTHER
PARTIAL RESPONSE CHECK OUT
THIS ONE.
Tucker: GOOD.
SO WE HAVE SOLD A COUPLE
FEMINIST BOOKS HERE ON THE
BOOK CLUB.
THEY ARE NOT JUST
FEMINIST.
Tucker: LET'S GET TO THE
NUMBER OF IT.
I EAT MEAT HOW AM I
PERPETUATING THE PATRIARCHY
BY DOING SO.
SEVERAL WAYS.
WE TAKE UP A LITTLE BIT TOO
MUCH SPACE.
AND EATING MEAT IS A DIET
THAT REQUIRES MORE SPACE ON
THE PLANET.
OKAY?
IT REQUIRES MORE RESOURCES
TO PRODUCE MEAT THAN IT DOES
TO PRODUCE PLANT BASED FOOD.
Tucker: I UNDERSTANDING
THAT I KNOW THE
ENVIRONMENTAL ARGUMENT
AGAINST EATING MEAT.ke
YOU SEEM TO SUGGEST IN YOUR
PIECE THAT THERE IS
SOMETHING ABOUT MEAT
SPECIFICALLY THAT MAKES MEN
DANGEROUSLY MASCULINE AND
THAT MEN WHO REFRAIN FROM
MEAT BECOME EASIER TO DEAL
WITH OR AS YOU PUT IT MORE.
MY PIECE.
YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T READ IT
YET.
Tucker: I HAVE THE
SUMMARY RIGHT HERE.
YOU DIDN'T READ MY WORDS.
Tucker: I THINK THEY HAVET
QUOTATION MARKS AROUND IT?
OKAY.
Tucker: DO YOU BELIEVE
MEETING MEAT MAKES MEN MORE
MASCULINE.
WHY ARE YOU -- I GUESS
I'M CONCERNED WHY YOU ARE
WORRIED ABOUT MEN BECOMING
LESS MASCULINE.
Tucker: ARE YOU REALLY A
PROFESSOR BECAUSE I FEEL
LIKE IT MIGHT BE PERFORMANCE
ART.
NO, NO.
I'M A PROFESSOR.
I BELIEVE WHEN YOU COME
TOGETHER, TWO INDIVIDUALS
COME TOGETHER YOU CO-PRODUCE
KNOWLEDGE.
YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE YOU
DIDN'T FINISH COLLEGE?
Tucker: YOU CO-PRODUCE
KNOWLEDGE.E
YES.
Tucker: YOU TELL ME THIS.
IF I STOPPED EATING MEAT,
HOW WHY BE BETTER?
I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT
BETTER OR WORSE.
RIGHT?
I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF
HOW MUCH SPACE ARE WE AS
INDIVIDUALS TAKING UP?
HOW MUCH SPACE ARE WE TAKING
UP HOW MUCH WE CONSUME.
THE TEA WE DRINK.
REALLY LIKE TEA.
I HAVE A PACKAGE FOR YOU I
WILL GIVE IT TO YOU LATER.
OUR BODY AND WHAT WE PUT IN
OUR HOUSEHOLDS.
HOW MUCH SPACE WE TAKE UM.
Tucker: YOU PROMISE YOU
ARE A REAL PROFESSOR.
YEAH.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A
REAL PROFESSOR?
Tucker: TOO DEEP.
I WILL ASK YOU ONE LAST
FINAL QUESTION WHICH IS I'M
GETTING THE SENSE FROM WHAT T
I HAVE READ, WHETHER OR NOT
YOU WROTE IT IS ANOTHER
QUESTION BUT I THINK THAT
YOU DID, THAT WHEN MEN STOP
EATING MEAT THEY CHANGE IN
WAYS THAT YOU THINK ARE
GOOD?
IS THAT TRUE?
I THINK IT'S HELPFUL THAT
ALL PEOPLE CONSIDER HOW MUCH
MEAT THEY CHOOSE TO PUT IN
THEIR BODIES.
I'M NOT HERE TO MANDATE
ANYTHING, RIGHT?
WE ALL MAKE OUR INDIVIDUAL
LEVEL CHOICES.
OUR INDIVIDUAL CHOICE IS
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, RIGHT?
ADAM SMITH.
RIGHT?
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT
IT IN THE GREEN ROOM.
Tucker: I COME AWAY WITH
TWO STRONG IMPRESSIONS FROM
THIS INTERVIEW.
ONE, I LIKE YOU MORE.
REALLY.
Tucker: BUT I KNOW MUCH
LESS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
Tucker: I DON'T KNOW.
WILL HAVE YOU ME BACK TO
DISCUSS THE BOOK?
Tucker: WE CAN TALK ABOUT
IT PROFESSOR, THANK YOU FOR
JOINING US.
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Tucker: WE CAN'T GET
ENOUGH OF THOSE RACIST
TREES.
WE WILL TRY TO DETERMINE HOW
MANY TREES NEED TO BE CUT
DOWN BEFORE RACISM ENDS. H
MAYBE ALL OF THEM IS.
AS IF WE DON'T HAVE
ENOUGH PROBLEMS IN THIS
COUNTRY THE SPECTER OF
RACIST TREES HAUNTS AMERICA
LIKE A DEMON EVER SINCE
LOCAL OFFICIALS IN PALM
SPRINGS IN CALIFORNIA IN THEHE
IDENTIFIED A GROUP OF TREES
AT A LOCAL GOLF COURSE AS
BEING RACIST.
WE HAVE BEEN SEEING THOSE
KIND OF TREES EVERYWHERE.
IS IT COINCIDENCE THAT A
PINE TREE RESEMBLES A
KLANSMANHOOD WHAT WAS THE
WEEPING WILLOW WEEP FOR IF
NOT THE END OF JIM CROW ARE
NOT OTHER TREES COMPLICIT IN
THIS RADIO HOST JOINS US.
LARRY, WHAT'S GOING OUT
THERE IN PALM SPRINGS IF YOU
COULD SUM IT UP FOR US?
I THINK IT'S CLIMATE
CHANGE.
IT'S HARD TO SAY, TUCKER.
THIS IS CALIFORNIA.
THIS IS WHERE THE GOVERNOR
JUST SIGNED HIKE UP THE
WAGES TO $15 AN HOUR AFTER
ADMITTING THAT MINIMUM WAGE
MEASURES DON'T MAKE MUCH
ECONOMIC SENSE CLOSED
QUOTES.
GO FIGURE.
IT'S ABOUT MAKING BLACK
PEOPLE FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE
PAST ABOUT JIM CROW AND
SLAVERY AS IF THAT'S THE
ISSUE FACING BLACK AMERICA.
A NEWS BULLETIN FOR 30 OR 40
YEARS BLACKS SCORE HIGHER ONON
SELF-ESTEEM.
THE SUICIDE RATES FOR WHITES
IS HIGHER THAN FOR BLACKS.
THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER
BLACKS FEEL GOOD OR BAD
ABOUT THEMSELVES.
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT
PART OF BLACK AMERICA NOT
DOING WELL.
THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM
FACING WHITE AMERICA IS NOT
NOTHING TO DO WITH WHITE
RACISM OR RACIST TREES.
BLACK KIDS ARE RACED WITHOUTG
FATHERS.
I DIDN'T SAY IT OBAMA SAID
IT A KID RAISED WITHOUT A
DAD IS FIVE TIMES MORE
LIKELY TO BE POOR.
NINE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO
DROP OUT OF SCHOOL, 20 TIMES
MORE LIKELY TO END UP IN
JAIL.
WHAT'S MAKING SO MANY WOMEN
MARRY THE GOVERNMENT AND MEN
ABANDON MORAL
RESPONSIBILITY.
THAT OUGHT TO BE THE
CONVERSATION BUT IT ISN'T.
Tucker: IT NEVER IS YOU
ARE SCOLDED FOR BRINGING IT
UP.
ENORMOUSLY SAD.
I FIND IT SO INTERESTING
GROWING UP IN CALIFORNIA
AROUND LIBERALS THERE WAS
REALLY NO GREATER SIN THAN
CUTTING DOWN A TREE.
CUTTING DOWN A TREE WAS
IMMORAL.
THEY WERE CALL TREE HUGGERS,
LITERALLY.
THESE ARE RACIST TREES
THOUGH OF COURSE.
AND TUCKER, IN CALIFORNIA,
YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR THAT
DOES NOT SUPPORT VOUCHERS.
EVEN THOUGH THE MAJORITY OF
URBAN PARENTS, BLACK AND
BROWN WANT VOUCHERS.
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS
OPPOSED TO VOUCHER, YET 95%
OF BLACK PEOPLE PULL THE
LEVER FOR PEOPLE EDUCATION
FOR THINKS KIDS.
GO FIGURE.
Tucker: LOOK, HERE IS
WHAT I WANT.
IT'S NOT FOR EVERYONE TO
AGREE WITH ME AT LEAST TO
HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT
THINGS THAT ACTUALLY MATTER
RATHER THAN FRIVOLOUS
THINGS.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE
HIGHLIGHT THE RACEST TREE
STORY IS BECAUSE IT SO
SELF-EVIDENTLY STUPID MAYBE
IT WILL AWAKEN PEOPLE TO THE
FRIVOLOUS NATURE OF THE
CONVERSATION.
WHY AREN'T WE HAVINGKE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TEST
SCORES AND MARRIAGE AND DRUGUG
USE, NOT JUST IN THE BLACK
COMMUNITY BUT THIS EVERY
COMMUNITY IN AMERICA.
ABSOLUTELY.HI
I REMINDED DON LEMMING WHEN
I WAS LAST ON CNN MAYBE
THAT'S WHY I WAS LAST ON IN
1997 "TIME" MAGAZINE AND CNNT
DID A POLL OF BLACK TEENS
AND WHITE TEENS AND ASKED
THEM BOTH WHETHER OR NOT
RACISM WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM
IN AMERICA AND NOT TOOND
SURPRISINGLY BLACK TEENS AND
WHITE TEENS SAID YES.
THEY ASKED BLACK TEENS IS
RACISM IS MAJOR, MINOR
PROBLEM IN YOUR LIVES.
ALMOST 90% OF BLACK TEENS
SAID NO PROBLEM OR MINOR
PROBLEM IN MY OWN DAILY
LIFE.
MORE WHITE TEENS THAN BLACK
TEENS SAID FAILURE TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF OPPORTUNITIES
WAS A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN
RACISM.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
RACIST TREES?
TAKE A WAND AND WAVE IT OVER
AMERICA AND REMOVE EVERY
SMIDGEN OF RACISM FROM THE
HEARTS OF AMERICA.
STILL HAVE THE PROBLEM OF
YOUNG PEOPLE HAVING CHILDREN
THEY CAN'T TAKE CARE OF.
MEN ABANDONING
RESPONSIBILITY.
GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS THAT
DON'T WORK.
BAD POLICIES LIKE MINIMUM
WAGE DESTROY JOBS.
POROUS BORDERS YOU HAVE
ILLEGAL WORKERS UNSKILLED
CHALLENGING WORKERS IN THEROGA
INNER CITY AND ON AND ON AND
ON.
THOSE FACING AMERICA.
LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATIONN
ABOUT THEM.
Tucker: YOU ARE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
NO ONE SAYS IT BETTER THAN
DO YOU.
LARRY, THANK YOU.
GREAT TO SEE YOU.
MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Tucker: SENATOR ELIZABETH
WARREN HAS BEEN MOCKED FOR
CONTRIBUTING FAMILY RECIPESr:
TO AMERICAN INDIAN COOKBOOK.
HOW DOES HER POWWOW CHOW
ACTUALLY TASTE?
Tucker: SENATOR ELIZABETH
WARREN ISN'T ACTUALLY AN
AMERICAN INDIAN OBVIOUSLY
THAT DIDN'T SLOW HER DOWN
FROM SUBMITTING RECIPES TO
AN NATIVE AMERICAN COOK
PECULIAR POWWOW CHOW FOR
REAL.
SEVERAL RECIPES PLAGIARIZED
TOO.
WHY GET HUNG UP ON THAT.
HOW DO INDIAN RECIPES STACK
UP AS FOOD?
WE GOT A COPY THE BOOK AND
DECIDED TO INVESTIGATE WITH
PROFESSIONAL CHEF AND
COOKBOOK AUTHOR MARK BAILEY.
MARK BAILEY, THANKS FOR
JOINING US.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
Tucker: THERE HAS BEEN A
LOT OF CONTROVERSY AROUND
ELIZABETH WARREN'S NATIVE
AMERICAN HERITAGE AS YOU
KNOW.
UM-HUH.
Tucker: A LOT OF PEOPLE
WEIGHED IN ON IT WE THOUGHT
WE WOULD WEIGH IN ON IT
EMPIRICALLY REVERSE ENGINEER
ONE THE RECIPES SHE DONATED
TO A BOOK POW COW CHOW.
NATIVE AMERICANS CONTRIBUTED
RECIPES FROM HER TRIBE.
WE HERE ASKING HOW. C
HOW THIS DISH IS MADE.
HER TRIBE OF COURSE THE
CHEROKEE TRADITIONAL DISH
FROM THAT.
COLD OMELET WITH CRAB
MEAT.ON
I NEVER HEARD OF THIS.
I'M VERY EXCITED.
IT'S A COLD OMELET.
Tucker: I SAY WITH CRAB
MEAT.
ACTUALLY USED AS A
DRESSING WHICH IS
INTERESTING.
THE OMELET IS FLAT AS A
PANCAKE WHICH IS NORMALLY
OMELETS HAVE A LITTLE BIT
MORE GIRTH TO IT.
THIS IS FLAT AS A PANCAKE.
HER PARTICULAR RECIPE ADDED
SOME TOMATOES, TARAGON ANDAN
CREAM TO THE EGG MIXTURE.
Tucker: I DON'T WANT TO
BEGIN ON SKEPTICAL NOTE.
CRAB MEAT YOU DON'T THINK AS
THE CHEROKEE AS A SEA FARING
TRIBE.
THAT'S INTERESTING LITTLE
TWIST.
Tucker: LITTLE TWIST.
WE WILL REMAIN OPEN-MINDED.
HOW IS THIS DONE?
YOU KNOW WHAT?
AGAIN, WE DID A FLAT OMELET.
WE ADDED TOMATOES TARAGONN,
PARSLEY AS WELL AS CREAM TO
THE EGG MIXTURE.
ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAN
REALLY LIGHTLY.
FLIP IT ONE TIME AND THEN
YOU MAKE A CRAB DRESSING,
ALMOST LIKE A MAYONNAISE
DRESSING.
YOU BASICALLY USE LUMP
CRAB.
HAVE YOU OIL, YOU BASICALLY
MAKING THE MAYONNAISE FROM
SCRATCH.
EGG, MUSTARD, EVERYTHING IN
THERE AS WELL.
THEN YOU BASICALLY CREATE
THIS DRESSING WHICH IS SO
INTERESTING.
YOU JUST POP IT RIGHT ON TOP
OF THE OMELET COLD.
Tucker: DO YOU THINK THIS
IS -- I KNOW YOU ARE NOT A
CULTURAL ANTHROPOLOGIST IS
THIS SOMETHING WITHIN THE
REACH OF A HUNTER GATHERINGW
TRIBE IN THE SAUCE PANS, THE
WHOLE LUMP CRAB, THE
MAYONNAISE?
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS
INSPIRED BY CERTAIN THINGS.
I'M NOT SURE OBVIOUSLY IF
YOU THINK ABOUT NATIVE
AMERICANS IN TERMS OF WHAT
THEY WOULD BE COOKING WITH
AND EATING WITH.
Tucker: THIS IS NOT WHAT
COMES TO MIND.
AS A PROFESSIONAL CHEF AND I
DON'T WANT TO YOU WEIGH IN
BECAUSE YOU ARE A
PROFESSIONAL AND WE DON'T
WANT TO SULLY THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU WERE COOKING
THIS.
WHAT CULTURE CAME FIRST TO
MIND?
TRADITIONAL NATIVE AMERICAN
CULTURE, THE CULTURE OF
ELIZABETH WARREN OR ANOTHER.
WITH THE CRAB MEAT AND
THE FACT IT'S COLD IT GAVE
ME EUROPEAN INITIALLY WHEN I
WAS MAKING IT AND THEN ME
BEING A BREAKFAST GURU, THE
OMELET JUST RINGS AMERICAN
TO MEAL.
ALL PERSONAL BREAKFAST FOOD.
Tucker: KEY TASTE IT.
SURE.
DEFINITELY.
I WANT TO KNOW, THIS IS
NOT A D.N.A. TEST.
23 AND ME.
NOT GETTING TO THE TRUTH OF
THIS NECESSARILY.
COLD OMELET WHICH IS
AGAIN VERY INTERESTING.
Tucker: I'M ABOUT TO TELL
YOU I CAN EAT THIS.
EVERYTHING GOOD TO GO,
DEFINITELY.
YOU LET ME KNOW.
I DON'T DABBLE TOO MUCH WITH
NATIVE AMERICAN COOKING.
BUT I WOULDN'T, THIS IS NOT
WHAT WOULD COME TO MIND
IMMEDIATELY.
AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT.
BUT IT'S GOOD.
THIS IS TRADITIONAL CHEROKEE
FOOD.
I COULD SEE WHY SHE WOULD
PRETEND TO BE A MEMBER OF
THIS.
SHE CONTRIBUTED TO POWWOW
CHOW.
YOU GOT A BOOK NOT NATIVE
AMERICAN.
NO, IT'S BREAKFAST IN
BED.
COOKING IN BOXERS.
FULLY DRESSED TODAY BECAUSE
IT'S COOK.
50 WAYS TO KEEP YOUR MATE IN
BED.
Tucker: SOMEONE ASKED TO
YOU CONTRIBUTE TO POWWOW
CHOW LIKE II EDITION WOULD
YOU DO THAT.
SURE DO A LITTLE
RESEARCH.
Tucker: PROBABLY KEEP THE
CRAB OUT.
IT HAS BEEN ALLEGED
PLAGIARIZED RECIPE FROM A
FRENCH CHEF.
SOMETIMES RECIPE FACED
WITH A RECIPE AND PUT YOUR
OWN TWIST WANT TO BE
INSPIRED.
Tucker: YOU ARE RIGHT.
TURNS OUT CULTURAL IDENTITYY
IS LIKE THAT, TOO.
GREAT TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Tucker: THAT'S OUR
CHRISTMAS GIFT TO YOU,